2015 Personality Lecture 17: Agreeableness - Aggression & Empathy
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- Agreeableness is one of the five canonical Big Five personality traits, made up of Politeness and Compassion on the high end and blunt stubbornness, even callousness on the other. Women are higher in the former, men in the latter. Those differences are largest in the MOST not the LEAST egalitarian societies, in direct contradiction to the social constructionist, neo-Marxist and radical feminist claims. Conservatives are higher in politeness, a form of social convention, than liberals. Liberals are higher than conservatives in compassion.
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Voluntarily sitting through a lecture online but can barely get up and get enthuisiatic for school. This is what happens when you give REAL quality education, no bullshit
Maybe psychology is just something you're interested in
@@jackkennedy3676 or maybe university has an uncanny way of sucking the fun out of everything
@@Elimbi1 That's exactly what standardization does, and standardization is exactly what school is for. Fun is a reaction to positive unpredictability, and standardization is the process of eliminating unpredictability.
This high lites the difference between education ans indoctrination.
i guess it is kinda off topic but does anyone know of a good website to stream newly released movies online ?
I just want to say I really appreciate how quantitative you are in your description of these things. Social scientists tend to teach courses in a way that lacks emphasis on describing the actual statistical results from the literature.
Agreed. My sociology teacher emphasized and focused on the qualitative. Making it feel like such a soft science.
Agree on the appreciation for the scientific method this man has and the presentation of coherent arguments in place of the typical labeling and personal assertions essentially hoisted on us by "popular media", advertising, "news", etc
@@kelvinnguyen6048 it is a sof... i mean, yeah, soft fluffy pillows, what it feels like. for sure!
I guess its easier to be quantitative and data focussed when the data doesn’t go against your ideology
Oh yeah yeah
I'm really thankful that Jordan Peterson has made his lectures accessible. Without them, these past two semesters would have been especially isolating and maddening for me.
"Those who claim social construct have no science whatsoever to back up their claims." Brave man you are Professor Peterson, this is why they want to destroy you. Praying for you and your family. 🙏
Ditto thank you
My wife and all her girlfriends Love Dr. Peterson.
"The hallmarks of cuteness."
I'd never thought I'd hear "cute" in such a sentence 😆
When I listen to Jordan I close my eyes and imagine kermit the frog sitting on a log
The difference between politeness and compassion is the level of subconscious identification with the other
he raised the bar high trying to upset 30% of people with this gem of a lecture
I seem to enjoy these older Uni lectures more, I must say. There is more nitty gritty and less of the grand epic call to achieve greatness stuff. I don't know. I still like it, but I find myself more fascinated by these old lectures. The facts speak for themselves without much need for embellishment.
I don't understand what you mean. These lectures are from 2015. I wouldn't classify that as old.
@@jonis7989 meaning, I enjoy the university lectures more than the public lectures
@@jonis7989 the person errantly misused 'old' to modify 'these lectures'. it's not really that common to see these days, it could be interpreted as an older type of informational transfer... but i think in this case it's more likely that the user's perception of time is squished relative to ours. 6 years is really old, to someone that's 5.
This was 7 years ago. Crazy how the new woke has taken over now and this would be deemed illogical and hostile to teach. Keep it up Jordan. In season and out of season speak the truth!
I've found a small work around for my agreeableness. If I am left to my own vices, I am extremely agreeable. If someone tells me that I am not allowed to give any discounts, I agree with that person, and then become mostly disagreeable with clients asking for discounts. If there is an absolute decision that's made and built into a system/process (either myself or someone else makes this decision), it becomes a rule in my head and in that case I am unable to agree with anyone who wants to break that rule. In fact, anyone who breaks these rules, I take on a tyrannical persona and it works great for me. So what I've done in my professional career, especially as a business development executive, is build into my own processes rules which don't allow for me to bet against myself. Example, I don't provide discounts because I've built my own pricing calculators, or if someone demands and threatens complaints, I can agree with them but only if it follows the rules in place. This has made me negotiate more on my behalf than I ever could without it.
👍🏻 dig that.
Sounds like you score high in conscientiousness.
That, &/or you got them good morals!
@@StCP42 idk how to respond to this. I often struggle with things like laziness, and disorderliness...but then i look at my room and dispite it being somewhat messy, my bed is always clean and made. In fact, i went out of my way to buy 9 pillows and even created a schedule for washing sheets and blankets (which i understand is weird for a male). And normally I would say I rank extremely low in conscientiousness. In fact, the last time I tested myself with JBP's test, i actually scored below 20th percentile. But, it must be due to being in an emotionally depressed state, because i literally worked 94 hours last week (this was without breaks added in), and right now I'm already 12.5 hours for this week.
I was a JP hater. At least a skeptic. But I took the time to figure out what he thinks instead of what everyone else says he thinks, and I realized... This man is only a source of controversy because when the internet posed to him the question of "Are gender preferences are important?" he responded by saying "Not more important than free speech", and the internet stopped listening at "Not..."
Amazing thumbnail. I didn't know that this picture was getting much circulation outside the fancy rat circles, but I'm glad to see it here. Nothing better than rats with miniature teddybears 😍
yeah love that pic also 😍
57:44
What I learned in Psychology class: Men have higher DPS.
Men are OP, pls nerf
DPS depends on strength of the blows but also the attack cooldown, what I have learned is that women have lower attack cd, so we don't exactly know
hahahahahhahahhahaahhahahahahaahha dude yes
24:30 to produce a 15-point difference in IQ by the age of 18, it takes 3 standard deviations' increase in wealth--and as twins separated at birth age, their IQs are so similar at age 60 that it's as if you're testing the same person twice. Remarkable. Might expect the opposite.
"There are no female brickmasons, blockmasons or stonemasons."
ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED
well, 0.1%
Biology still maters, Most women would never want to do such a thing. I would like to be that strong for 1 day.
I would love to be a brick mason. The flow of the movements is beautiful, and I like heavy physical activity.
I know two Hispanic ladies that work with their husband's as brick masons and honestly it's funny to see them tell the men's to get back to work. Those ladies hustle hard
@@sunshinerimer4976 for thirty years with little chance for retirement? you sure you don't just want to do it when you might need/want to?
He's amazing! Love listening to his words of wisdom!
Oh god, I will be single for the rest of my life...
congrats
Develop your femininity, both psychologically and physically. I guarentee you this will make you more attractive to men. On the plus side, the men you're attracted to are more likely to be very high quality men, so you have that going for you. Good luck!
Editing a one line post?
Simplify yourself, you’re fine regardless...
Owl High IQ, education, and job status + marrying across or up? Single for life, or at least for almost 32 years so far... We’ll see if that changes (my money is on “probably not,” unfortunately).
I'm single too contact me Ladies
The more I watch these the more I realize why I am such a monster. "If you stare into the abyss. . . ."
We're all monsters..
Both y’all pretentiously cringe. What are you, 14 year olds who think you’re deep?
@@thog3940 noice burn bruh. you'd fit in well with them in a CoD lobby. nb4 "ur mom is gud" and "ur dads gay"
what a tool. lol. don't have to know anything about you other than that comment to know you're a tool. look it up. learn, or at least try, like these possibly pretentious 14 year old commenters.
That isn't exactly what that quote means... but the idea is identifiable enough. except for poor Thog here. others like him too, probably. the blind doesn't stare into the abyss, it just stares.
@@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 ever heard of narcissistic rambling? Fucken 14 year olds think they’re so deep because they can interpret the same quote everyone else can, go back to your video games fucking loser
Jordans suit game increased dramatically
you're amazing Mr. Peterson
Thank you, Dr Peterson. 🌟
Came for the thumbnail, stayed for the knowledge
Preach Jordan! Preach! 👍🏼
I really enjoy listening to the wisdom of Jordan Peterson. I do have one big negative about him and unfortunately it's something I had never experienced seeing him do this before and I'm going to put it out there because I have to. COKE ZERO really , He drinks coke and not Pepsi.. I may never get over this.
He is sposed to be on the lion diet w/ his daughter these daze,
So that means no pop, just water.
I wonder....
"He is Borats brother by the way" The dude is in the gameXD
Now i know im really off the wall thanks... feels great.
master class
What a lot of traits are being discussed in this lecture besides agreeableness.. It boggles my mind when trying to follow the logic while I am finding it entertaining at the same time.
Good lecture
8:30 - humans are maternal (humans take care of their (premature) children more than other animals
14:15 - 22:00 - most personality treats are normally distributed except for those that are connected to productivity (creativity, wealth)
~25:00 - male baby monkeys tend to choose mostly wheel toys, and female baby monkeys
~38:00 - biological (tendency to people/things) and environmental differences for genders
42:30 - compassion (empathic) vs politeness (respect authority, not imposing their will)
43:44 - women have broader sensitivity of emotion, have higher extroversion
1:02:00 - multiple relationships predictors - extroversion, openness, dark treats, etc.; instability - extroverison, low in agreeableness
Man I go against every statistic and study. Worked in construction and loved it. Now I am IT administrator. I am not agreeable majority of the time.
Dr. Peterson, I tried twice now to become a patron at the $10 /Month tier and the site throws an error! Id love to support you for these lectures.
Me 100%, I'm addicted to accommodating ppl, Lord help me. Thank you Dr. Peterson
This is SUCH an important psychology lecture. It covers So many very important concepts....just this ONE lecture covering statistics, the Pareto distribution, twin studies and IQ ie genetics versus environment, personality theory, how the Five Factor model differs from some other personality theories etc etc etc . Jorsan was a master teacher/professor. I do love that ye has been popuñarized but most espcially that his lectures are available online. I tsught these subjects too.but in discrete seaparted more tightly organized chunks BUT his way is better, more engaging, more inspiring, he is SO gifted at our profession. Other professors maybe chosen almpst exclusively for their academic research output and that too is an important measure of a professor but for undergrads especially they may not see the utility as quickly of the concepts with a more traditional lecturer...so kudos to Jordan.
Another great lecturer in psych I would recommend is Robert Sapolsky his personanlity series especially on YT..his Stanford lectures.
These two make an already fascinating field of studyneven MORE so through their superb communication styles. Sybil Francis PhD clinical psychologist professor and administrator.
Thanks professor for another awesome lecture! If I was there I would clap for sure. Meaning probably that I am relatively high in extroversion since I am writing this comment and perhaps in agreeableness as well since I am imparting something kind hahaha!
so think aboat that
I'm glad my mother broke stereotypes 💪
That study about women choosing ability rather than wealth seems such a significant result, it would seem worth the effort to publish it.
I have to wonder if feminists aren't higher in disagreeability. for that matter, probably all activists are more disagreeable
If confirmed, that's just one more reason why they make terrible mothers!
I don't think so, generally social justice groups consist of people higher in openness and agreeableness which ties in with their political leftness. So they are empathetic, and compassionate, but less polite. Meaning they see injustice and sympathize, but they aren't afraid to question authority and go against the status quo.. unlike people who are low in agreeableness and openness that put a lot more value in status and highly respect authority. I'd also go on a limb here and say feminists are higher in neuroticism since most of them are women, and they are in fact fighting against their internal fear of men overpowering them. When you have anxiety the threat feels very real, even if you have not yourself been a victim. Though from my personal experience and insight most women have been a victim of this. If you watch the left vs the right you can see how the right will always defend those with more power and higher authority, and care very little about the common folk. The left seems disagreeable because they simply don't agree and are not afraid to create chaos for their cause. Social Justice is a matter of minorities being marginalized and treated poorly by the people in power, who are actually lower in agreeableness and openness and therefore could care less. It is a fight that will really never go anywhere in my opinion. I just want women to know that they can do whatever the hell they want with their life. Because they really can. I want to see action from women not just words.
Scoria
They score higher in openness, not in agreeableness! You have loads of psychos on the Left!
Your entire argument is a rationalization of SJW abuse based upon myths! Shame on you!
You certainly wouldn't seem to care if these myths were assuming all feminists (actually all activists) are disagreeable (which is rubbish.) Oh and that they all make terrible mothers? People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones. I'll correct the fact that agreeableness is in fact made up of compassion and politeness where the latter is right leaning and there is indeed a correlation to agreeableness and the left as well. Everyone is wrong. If you want to take this up with me further, just do yourself a favor and google it or actually listen to what JP said himself.
Scoria i wouldn’t say feminists have a fear of men. many have an internal hate for men due to them being oppressed by men
I wish the graphics were included as well
Circa before he started on his water and steak diet
that was really interesting.
My father worked with a female bricklayer.
sure he isn't saying there is none, 0.1% thats in number will be quite a lot.
About cuteness - rats are wary of pups, except if exposed to them for a long time or if it's their own. Almost all humans like kittens because of their features, but many dislike babies and do not find them cute, even though presumably the human baby must be arch-cute. Why is that?
Andrey Humski if i had to take a wager, I'd say it's because we are predisposed to see other's young as a threat, but appreciate the concept of cute young things.
I have actually looked into this from my own disgust of infants. It is in fact disgust that over powers the way the cuteness makes us feel. Babies vomit, shit, and slobber. They are gross. They are cute. Mostly gross.
Of course ones personality could be the contributing factor to fearing gross things, ie high neuroticism.
Cats take less work!
Dr. Peterson, you should look into the cataclysmic event theory as an explanation for the disappearance of large mammals in North America between 11,000 and 15,000 years ago. In my opinion it's a much more likely theory than the over hunting idea. I don't know how relevant that is to your argument or to a psychologist in general, but it's an interesting theory with valid evidence.
That is interesting, thanks for pointing this out. I had read a book on Anthropology and it covered exactly what Peterson was talking about and the only thing I'd point out is that wherever humans manifested the continent soon lost a majority of their large mammals. So I don't know if it is mere coincidence. My best guess is that in N America it really was a mixture of these events that caused the extinctions and not solely one or the other.
Considering large mammals disappeared right when humans spread across the continent, I think the hypothesis that Peterson proposes is likely.
I got my PhD in clinical psych in '79 and yes the Five Factor theory was developed later.
"The biggest gender differences are reported in Scandinavian countries."
Could this have something to do with relatively low levels of prenatal stress due to high wealth in these countries?
That makes the constructionist theory even weaker. More even opportunities = less environmental factors, and less stress = less androginy, which in turn magnifies biological factors. The theory and the data matches perfectly. Why isn't this information more widely available?
I wish links to the cited articles were in the description. I cannot find the 2012 Simon Baron-Cohen study on the effects of prenatal exposure to stress. I just want to read the methods 😣
thank you Sir
IMO politeness is related to conscientiousness .
Simon is Sacha's cousin, not brother.
Steve Rotters Yeah lol I cringed a tiny bit when I heard him say brother.
What?!Rly i thought that was a joke based on resemblace of their names :O .Im stunned
I agree with this.
1:01:18 "Agreeable people are less likely to work evenings. Now that's interesting, eh, because you might think that if they were agreeable, they would work more evenings. But I suspect what is happening with the agreeable people is that; because their primary commitment is to intimate relations they are more likely to consider their primary domain, their responsibilities to intimate partners of various sorts, so they will forego work for that reason."
I think disagreeable people work evening and night hours because those hours are peaceful and productive since no-one else is around.
The difference between politeness and compassion is why you choose to manifest the positive behavior associated. I propose politeness stems from a rational conclusion of its benefit when conducted in the world. While compassion comes from emotion. One empathizes with whatever is suffering, then acts to alleviate it. I would also propose that compassion is more of an active process while politeness is passive.
On further thought politeness may simply be construed as a subset of compassion that extrapolated to the entire population as a general rule.
YES!!!
Wait stop... I swore he has said before that men are slightly more industrious? No? Damn.. then what good are we?
54:21 has that ever been given as another potential cause of the wage gap?
i wonder what he has to say about his addiction to coca cola
Makingit China I have the same vice - not a bad one to have if you are gonna have one
K Smitten lol hah..coca cola IS BAD! ....specially diet coke! Not as bad a crack cocaine though... that is true
*product placement.
He gave it up.
I feel the same way about Coffee and Cigarettes
3 mins in, and I noticed this his says about agreeableness: the disparity in my results is: 81st percentile compassion and 38th politeness. The thing is, I am open and artistic but that doesn't reflect my political tendencies. In fact, all the political aspects in most of my results are skewed or upside down. Test was very accurate. I can't figure it out.
What is you political leaning? What is your orderly and industrious reading?
@@murraymcgregor7829 Hey! This was a surprise reply :) Industriousness is 67th and orderliness 38th. I am center leaning to right firmly, but not deeply. Can't really say I am conservative socially, but personally I do hold traditional and conservative values, some of them, important ones. The thing is, all my results are attached to a liberal label, and they are mostly all in the male percentile, while being very accurate (Im a woman). Do you have any opinion on this? I never got to the bottom of it.
So today, I was messing around with my ideas and I wanted your intake on this concept. You have touched base about dis-agreeableness coexisting with the prediction of doing prison time. I am stretching this to plea deals and court issues. If you are highly agreeable isn't it more likely you take plea deals and feel unsatisfied with your decision. Infering you are unsatisfied with your choice to take the deal (although it probably saved you jail ytime) and not stand up for yourself but not wanting more conflict. Infering if you are highly disagreeable you'd be prone to go to jury trials not take plea deals. Infering maybe you get a harsher sentence if proven guilty (you do jail time) because you refused the plea offer.. Regardless in both situations if this person is actually guilty of any crime.
I see that it's quite common to brush Norway, Sweden and Denmark under just Scandinavia. There are huge differences between the different countries, both when it comes to equality and politics. When you do that in the theme of equality (which you did) your statement becomes wrong. In the state that Sweden is now, i don't think any other country would want to be seen as the same.
Great lecture Prof Peterson. You might even have red-pilled a couple of feminists. Greeting from the Patriarchy.
I like your picture
Almost all feminists don't really understand what feminism really is supposed to be doing. Feminism, true feminism, is a push for equality of CHOICE and OPPORTUNITY. Especially if the opportunity is based on choice. They have done nothing for that. I would rather be a stay at home mom playing at being June Cleaver all day than building fighter jet parts but I have to work because the feminists pushed us into needing two incomes for survival. That said I went to school and became HVACR certified (top 5 in my class) but was unable to find a job in the field because of what I am gonna call "the good ole boys club" in that field in the geographical area I was looking for a job. I digress... I would rather have the job that I do than a typically feminine dominated field because most of them are dreadfully boring to me!
MistressGrim seems like it's everyone else's fault
@@m1str3ss Yep, it's all the feminists' fault. Nothing to do with the Industrial or technological revolutions or globalisation. Always this narrow focus on feminism to the exclusion of everything else.
A limited perspective.
It is so disappointing how a video like this gets more or less 135k views (the time this comment was written) and a silly video of some pet or a prank gets millions of views
Jordan, jaws are primarily, from current research, evolved in the human male to resists male-on-male violence, not directly for biting. But you're still a rock star...
Glad you mentioned this. The biting explanation just didn't seem to cut it for me.
Lee Lightfoot That's also partly true. You forget that we used to eat raw, very tough and thick meat. A mammoth's meat would be tough as hell for example, and we didn't know how to cook. Our jaws in fact had a staggering biting power. Now, since we used our body along with biting to keep dangerous males at bay (and eating), we broke our teeth very often. This selected the men and women who had wisdom teeth, and statistically speaking, then ones who had more teeth could eat more and defend themselves more than others, which results in most humans today still having wisdom teeth. It is mostly for meat that our jaws were so powerful, but sometimes biting proved more effective than punching (remember that it is less dangerous to punch someone than it is to bite them), so we kept part of our jaw power even when we didn't need it, we still ate meat after all.
And females didn't eat meat, hence that expains the diffrence in jaw size between men and women. That could explain why there's more females that are vegiterian since their jaws can't chew meat.
Hubert Eichson Female vegetarians are better explained under high Agreeableness, and some conscientiousness. If they're agreeable they're hyper empathic, meaning they feel the suffering of the animals and feel sorry for them, so they don't eat meat. Conscientious people don't like conflict so they just avoid meat and don't complain about meat eaters.
why does high extroversion/low conscientiousness/ low agreeableness tend to lean toward high levels of psychopathy when high extroversion is directly related to high levels of positive emotion?
box box to quote true detective: "people incapable of feeling guilt usually do have a good time"
One aspect of extraversion is assertiveness. That would mean someone who only looks out for themselves and is generally lazy is more likely to be harmful when they're strongly assertive. At least that's what I understood.
Makes me sad. Im 26 now with 2 kids, kinda heartbreaking knowing that no matter what I do Ill never be able to compete with a 21 year old girl. At least men can work hard to get up the hierarchy.
Awesome
Did I hear you say that there is no gender pay gap when you’re only comparing nonmarried males and females?
I have to say, the mouse and his toy is sooooooo cute :) night night, little mouse.
does anyone have access to the presentation that Dr Peterson is showing??
Have you tried the 2017 lecture series? The slides are there in the MOM series of that year
addendum: Society has "changed" so we are say doing more office work and less manufacturing though that is not necessarily a good thing since the artisans character of Americans is declining. For example, you have Bill Gates coming out with Windows and bam Americans are office workers though i think even this is declining as many other countries are in paperwork industries. We had more character when America was blue collar and tool orientated than paper cut a-feared.
Can anyone comment what the sources for the studies on gender differences are?
Speaking of cultural determinists' aversion to data, I had Napoleon Chagnon for a course in cultural anthropology as an undergrad years ago. He studied the famous Yanamamo people in the Amazon, and dared to collect and analyze data on why their homicide rate is so high. He and his data basically proved the cultural Marxists wrong, and he got chased out of academia for his groundbreaking work. It's a stark example of how far some people/disciplines will go to prevent data from challenging their non-scientific approach to culture. But maybe by now the tide is turning.
Its amazing what the body can do on Carnivore diet.
Would you share your material?
All virtue jadi bencana kalau ngepushnya terlalu jauh
Segala hal punya range
docility,follow rather to lead
But ponder this: can't these traits, especially neuroticism, be explained from the social constructionist point of view? I'm not well read but I can only imagine that I would be more neurotic had I been a woman because of things like say beauty ideals.
Just wondering as to the origins of gender differential traits like higher agreeableness and neuroticism
Wahashak Abdi They didn't come up with these traits solely for gender related purposes. They're universal aspects of personality. Then from there you can simply observe differences between people (and genders). This societal construct nonsense fails under the least bit of critical thinking.
listening to the part about prenatal stress producing behavior difference in females. Did I hear it right that prenatal stress produces less masculine behaviors in the male?
Yes. He then said it was a non-chemical endocrine disruptor. Put simply, It is about the balance between estrogen and testosterone. Girls have a higher ratio of estrogen to testosterone than boys, and boys have a higher ratio of testosterone to estrogen. Stress disrupts normal hormone production so girls make less estrogen and boys make less testosterone. Hence the relative increase in masculinity in females and decrease in males. Further reading: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4098934/
@@grayfamily3585my mind is blown away
Jordan, you were correct btw, an ungulate is indeed a hoofed mammal.
I wonder if they clap for everyone in Canada of just him...
Jordan, if TRUTH should be the primary driving force of human endeavor, there must be an ideal personality for the proclivity to exhibit truth in relation to other personalities. Obviously this could be very hard to measure, given the subjective interpretation of what's considered "true" or not. But, if isolated to scientific truth, that is, what can be proven through the scientific method, I assume IQ (and hence, openness) would be highly correlated? What about a healthy mix of agreeable and disagreeableness, low neuroticism to ensure mental energy is placed on abstract ideas rather than self-critical anxiety spirals and high concientiousness for an unstoppable work ethic. What do you think about personality ideals in general? And why don't you directly encourage improvement of these personality characteristics (if TRUTH is the goal) in your videos? It's obvious that we all crave guidance from you
Hope he responds :D:D:D
>science
>truth
hmm
I have been curious if these traits can be altered because I highly believe they can with personal investment. I think if one is high in conscientiousness and neuroticism they actually have a higher drive for growth and the ability to do so by their own will. So it is possible that some people given what they are genetically, can not invest in personal growth and do not desire it? Hm..
@@Catstache Altered, or counteracted/compensated for?
When we were 8 and 9 Me and my brother used to beat up my younger sisters dolls, they had the rubber heads that would deflate, so we used to punch them to make them look deformed, needless to say; she hated it.
i should probably be concerned about what my big 5 results say about me
Being a female I NEVER like girl toys..hated them..I wanted creepy crawlers and boys toys..I dont understand why..I'm straight and in tune with my femininity but I am a Tom boy
We need gender role fluidity for all people so we can all sew, clean, fix cars and stuff, and stand up for ourselves.
Just think about that :D Thank you Jordan for sharing your lectures !
This might be interesting anecdotal evidence, and I’m not very sure of it’s validity. I come from a gender segregated society, but then I visited an elite university in the US. I found that in the dining halls, the tables usually had the same gender sitting at one dinner table. Which wasn’t something I expected at all.* It was a summer program so it had a lot of international students.
I agree except for one thing. I like people who are prone to overidealize the gender opposite to their own because it is human however how scientific is it when considering statistics when making public policies? I like people too who are willing to thorw their intellectual weight around in order to prove a point on how a minority needs equal opportunities to be agreeable on a team that profits from it too. The one percent always get somewhere because they can. Females have just as much potential of becoming disagreeable and males have just as much potential to be nurturing however because females tend to experience shortages of basic essentials like big enough to wear shoes for example more often because of pay inequities in some occupations and because western culture and in some other cultures too couples in which the man is bigger, older and with more wealth that is not too obvious get favored no matter what the occpation of the man and woman is in and so over time in a population there is less individuals who are tall like most in southern Europe in the past.. So in other words that 1% who gets anywhere first tends to be in our present world more often still male for various reasons besides gender. How nurturing behavior and how disagreeableness gets expressed depends on culture. Of course the female and male gender is always going to mean differences in secondary sex characteristics. I don't ever doubt that. I just don't see how it would both be practical to try and change that skewed gender in the one percent that gets anywhere first in only one generation given that women are the ones who bear the children in pregnancy and lactation and I don't see what the value is on focusing too much on trying to make associations between gender and other kinds of human characteristics in each range. Why would anyone want to start trying to blur the lines between for example concepts in I.Q. theory and concepts in politics or religion or gender ever in the first place anyway for exmple in by suggesting a hard and fast firm in stone association between 2 concepts one from one theory and another from an entirely different theory? For example publishing a paper on how atheists tend to score higher on I.Q. tests than people who practice a religion to me would be a paper to ignore for sure during an age in which persecution towards Christians for example has reached record levels in the numbers of Christians [or Jewish peopl]e as another example] while the unborn too are being murdered and being miscarried [termed spontaneous or incomplete abortions in medical terminology] in record numbers at the same time too.. In any environment like that I am not going to assume anytihing too soon about differences between groups of people except in terms of medical diagnostic test results in a disease state.
1:02:00 thanks
I wonder what differences two random groups of the same gender would show.
Oh god I guess i'll die single
I once got in an argument with a young man in his mid-twenties (I was born in 1989) who was trying to tell me that besides our reproductive organs, there are no biological differences between men and women. I asked him, "Wait so you think that.. If you and I did the exact same workout and followed the same diet for like a year, then we competed to see who could lift more weight or run faster or do more pull-ups at the end of it, I'd have a chance at beating you?" He said, "oh, no doubt!" I was like no dude... First of all you're like a foot taller than me... I mean why do you think there's an NBA and a WNBA? Then he proceeded to tell me he thought the average height of the NBA and WNBA members were about the same... I had to show him the actual numbers on google... 5'11" in the WNBA vs like 6'9" in the NBA if I remember correctly. He still felt women and men are pretty much the same physically, overall... That I was just showing him an extreme example. I can only assume this is the result of our bizarrely politically correct yet WILDLY FACTUALLY INCORRECT education system here in America... We're turning adults loose in the world who not only deny truth but cling desperately to these weird ideas they have about gender equality.
It's worse than what you're describing with some, especially zoomers. They think accepting differences between people is immoral.
"so..." -Jordan B Peterson
I can listen to this man to infinity...... but I understand not one word! I am so ignorant!
I have studied this stuff long before I heard of JP. What is it you dont understand?
@@phils6524 I would guess than less than half the population has the language skills to follow these discussions.
Hahahahaha I see what you did there Dr. Peterson. You used a lot more data than I usually see you do in your lecture especially towards the end when explaining the differences between the sexes (don't want anyone getting butthurt). I suspected a lot of what you said anyway. I never bought the whole pay gap thing. Most women that I know put their career second to their desire to marry and have children. As soon as they get married and have kids the career is in the back burner. Whether anyone likes it or not women still choose to do most of the caring for the home and children, and I don't know many women who would rather have the husband do that.
Women also generally value their avocational interests, particularly their interpersonal relationships, more than men do.
I also think it's important to point out that Dr Peterson does not deny that discrimination against women exist. He just points out that it's 1 of a multi-variance of reasons as to why there is a pay gap. A point that most critics of Dr. Peterson like to pretend that he does not say.
This was in 2015. I know for a fact that at least one of the snowflakes in the class got ptsd after the lecture was over
lmao chill hahaha
The class applauded Mr. Peterson in the end. He also has among the highest ratings of any professor in Canada. I think you are incorrect.
how are there no female music composers throughout the ages however, all due to social and status in older times?
No, its that women dont tend to innovate and be creative. Consider too that music is essentially a form of math, a type of data. When women are creative, theyre writing novels about people, not experimenting with chords, harmonies, rhythms, and other non-human "things". Women dont compose for the same reason they dont invent things.
phil s You may be right, but when you say ‘women’ instead of ‘most women’ you make yourself sound like a misogynist. ‘All women are x, while all men are y’ is how misogynists tend to talk (and misandrists too for that matter).
Again, I’m not saying you’re wrong, and I’m not accusing you of being a misogynist, but I think you should be more careful about your wording so as not to come off like a sexist.
PS I’m a composer myself studying at university. One of my colleagues is a female composer. She’s quite talented
That thumbnail is so stink'n cute!!!
So what I took away was get money, get bitches 😂