Capcom had lightning in a bottle imo. If they had gone back and redid the games that initially missed out on the 4MB RAM expansion, they could have really put their earlier ports to shame.
@@ssfn1_SOTN was a game that was made for the PS1 first, meaning it was a 3D GPU accelerated game made to look 2D like everything done now is, then ported to the Saturn without changing anything that would’ve needed to be altered and/or optimized for it to be good. Had it been done proper it would’ve been fine. Gradius Gaiden, were it ported to the Saturn that way, would’ve suffered the same fate for the exact same reasons. On the flipside, Mega Man 8 was brought to both systems and yet the Saturn version in that case was superior, with raster effects that took advantage of the Saturn’s actual 2D rendering capability, extra stage content, and better sounding instruments in its music. Then there’s the fact that practically every single 2D arcade port was better on the Saturn. And that’s before we even discuss the RAM cartridge.
@@hansweiss469 naaaah, his videos are great in terms of production but that guy`s always pointing the obvious (at least in the videos I watched). Haven`t learned a thing by watching his videos. He`s probably good material for casual gamers/retro poseurs.
Dude, your video analysis are always top notch. I've always wanted to see the differences between the PS1 and Saturn versions. Thank you!!!! Suggestions for the future would be Vampire Savior and/or JoJo Bizarre adventure, two of the most underrated fighting games of all time. Peace!
Still one of my favorite games in the marvel/capcom bunch, if not my favorite period. The rest went on to become far too chaotic, whereas the fighting was much more focused here. Also, the whole design in this game was just splendid, and the gems were a fantastic variable that were absent in every other game, until MvC Infinite. I just ADORE this game, and while it was a bit inferior, i LOVED having it on my PSX.
They should have a Marvel vs Capcom collection with X-Men:CoTA, X-Men vs Street Fighter, Marvel Super Heroes, Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter, Marvel vs Capcom, and Marvel vs Capcom 2
thanks for providing lots of very useful information on the differences between each versions of the game, I was thinking of getting the saturn version for collection purposes but now I think I'll just settle with my PS3 digital version since its arcade perfect, still would be nice to have the physical copy
I wouldn’t call it a landslide. The only way the Saturn got the extra character animation was through the RAM cart. While the backgrounds are better than PS1, the slowdown is about just as bad, sound is still sped up and compressed, and the loading is worse. Basically, this never got a good home port up until the 360/PS3 and this year.
Sehr gut. Surprisingly, I enjoyed the PS1 ports of games such as this and Children of the Atom tremendously. They all play a little different but the visuals and details are a sad reality that divides attention given to any one game. I am certain you've caught and noticed many differences during your examinations. Some details I noticed missing between the PS1 port and arcade are: - Thanos destroying the background of his stage when he uses his power super (big orange ball that has slight tracking abilities if you try to super jump it) - Dr. Doom stage having more detail as you move further along. I'm sure other stages have details I never noticed when I had visited the game years ago. - The start / select button used for the reality gem. Different colours and different icons that dizzy you quickly. - Not a different detail but it's something many people tend not to notice. Electricity on an opponent reduces their meter but drains very fast if you do manage to dizzy and spiral someone as they fall.
Technically both the Saturn and PS1 were much more powerful than CPS2. The main issue with consoles of that time was their storage medium, and the fact that those systems couldn’t just pull data off the discs like the arcade game and consoles before it could do with their ROM boards or cartridges. Saturn and PS1 for this reason were limited to however much work RAM they had, and because it was only 2MB a game could load at once on both systems (aside from Saturn RAM cartridge expansion), sacrifices had to be made. Had both systems been able to run the game off a cartridge ROM with enough storage like say the N64 or anything before it, this would’ve been a totally different scenario.
After seeing X-Men vs Sf with the Ram cart, I feel they could've done better on the Saturn... But this was prob before Capcom really got the hang of the capabilities w/ the cart.
Also, X-Men Vs. Street Fighter was the start of the Marvel animation cuts of the arcade games, so it kinda gets a leg up in that regard, not to mention that the backgrounds are also simpler.
Awesome vid. I'd really like to see a comparison of Darkstalkers on Playstation to the arcade and Nightwarriors on Saturn. I've always been curious about how close the Playstation game is on animation, particularly compared to the Saturn semi-sequel.
Too bad the Original PlayStation never got night warriors darkstalkers revenge, then they would have had the darkstalkers trilogy. I remember buying darkstalkers 3 for the 1st PlayStation years ago for 30 bucks new. It was a fun game. Nowadays, I have a few hundred games on my raspberry pi retropie and couldn't be happier.
Again! Looking back at it now, i didn't realize i'm playing worst version of this game as a kid. Well at least i got the emulated port for the Xbox 360.
I loved xmen on the Saturn so bought this when I saw it was out on PS1, I realised it did not feel right and so went back to the shop and exchanged it for Castevania symphony of the night, I made the right choice, I later picked it up for the saturn.
I remember ordering the Japanese import for Sega Saturn from retailer NCS based in NY. I was so disappointed with all the slow down despite how gorgeous the game looked. Not sure why Capcom decided to release the game with that issue since all the other titles with the RAM cart expansion were successful.
This game came before the 4mb cart was out. where capcom messed up is they didn't delay the game until the cart was out and then program it to work with it. If they had just delayed the game and waited for the 4mb then all frames of animations could have been there and there wouldn't be any slowdown and this could have been the best home port for the time..
@Rhiorrha Arcade version is still the absolute best (which is virtually the same as the Xbox 360 XBLA/PSN version's ROM... but those are both delisted). Strictly speaking in reference to the 5th Gen 32Bit conversions at the time, the Saturn version was the way to go... RAM cart or not. As noted in the video, unofficial RAM carts had sporadic performance issues. The official 1MB RAM cartridge (dark gray one w/red label) was the one it was designed to use.
In this case, both 32 bit ports were not good, the arcade version remains the definitive version, or the emulated one bundled with MvC on PS3 (and long delisted, thankfully I downloaded it off PSN long ago), whatever your choice may be. The PS3 version also allows you to unlock Anita, who is broken as hell to use.
I find the Saturn version suffers from the same slowdown regardless of whether you use the extra RAM or not. It’s too bad because this is a great arcade fighter. One wishes the 4MB cart would have been used here. A rare misstep for Capco.
I think the reason for the 1MB instead of 4MB is because of timing with development. this game and X-Men vs Street Fighter did come out the same year but the 4MB cart had just come out and capcom just kept at it with the 1MB instead of delaying the game while they put the extra work time with the other game so it could use the 4MB to keep all frames and keep the tag team since it provided enough space.
This game also came out in the US too and I don’t think the 4MB RAM was going to get made for the US audiences as by this time the Saturn was all but dead here.
@@retroport9393 yeah but i heard people say that some ports play worse then others like the ps2 version is worse then the dreamcast or the online edition isn't accurate to the arcade
Gorgeous Gremac I would also like to see a comparison with games like MvC2 PS2, DC and Xbox. Also on why ppl consider the DC version the closest to the arcade.
Compared to the arcade version, neither are a win. The Saturn version, especially without the RAM cart is only really better with backgrounds. Beyond that, they perform about the same which is TERRIBLE, the sound is equally as appalling, and the Saturn’s load time is longer. The extra animation is kinda moot when the big characters still lose a lot on attacks where it kinda matters.
all these fighting games ported to the systems are all good and great!! but to me, this is where the titles started to SUCK and die all the way down. X-MEN Children of the Atom Marvel Super Heroes X-MEN vs Street Fighter Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter MARVEL vs CAPCOM Clash of the Super Heroes and that's where all the master piece of fighting games will forever be at.... Marvel vs Capcom 2 started sucking and from there every single Arcade series of that game died..... if you asked me? Capcom should've removed all that JUMPING on a Cock BS melee attacks, because every fucking combo is now done by air and never on the ground... where, it's fucking stupid.....
consoles from the 90s .saturn and ps1 was always behind . vs the arcade version.. xmen children of the atom ..was also inferior to the arcade .. game reviews magazines back in the day lie to many gamers.. saying that the saturn version was perfect and shit. LIARS.mf. today not worth playing capcom fighting games on this consoles anymore.. you already have mame emulation this capcom fighters play perfect.via emulation saturn and ps1 consoles are exclusive titles only..
Capcom had lightning in a bottle imo. If they had gone back and redid the games that initially missed out on the 4MB RAM expansion, they could have really put their earlier ports to shame.
Well, Capcom sucks, and they have showed it time and time again, same as Konami. Very incompetent leaders they have.
@@13Gangland well maybe nowadays but they must've cared more back then.
@@荒巻正男 nope, remember the port of Castlevania Symphony of the Night for the Saturn?
InstaBlaster
@@ssfn1_SOTN was a game that was made for the PS1 first, meaning it was a 3D GPU accelerated game made to look 2D like everything done now is, then ported to the Saturn without changing anything that would’ve needed to be altered and/or optimized for it to be good. Had it been done proper it would’ve been fine. Gradius Gaiden, were it ported to the Saturn that way, would’ve suffered the same fate for the exact same reasons. On the flipside, Mega Man 8 was brought to both systems and yet the Saturn version in that case was superior, with raster effects that took advantage of the Saturn’s actual 2D rendering capability, extra stage content, and better sounding instruments in its music. Then there’s the fact that practically every single 2D arcade port was better on the Saturn. And that’s before we even discuss the RAM cartridge.
This is by far the best and to me the only comparison channel that does it right. Please keep up the excellent work.
Uh, *COUGH* Retro Core *COUGH* ...
@@hansweiss469 naaaah, his videos are great in terms of production but that guy`s always pointing the obvious (at least in the videos I watched). Haven`t learned a thing by watching his videos. He`s probably good material for casual gamers/retro poseurs.
7:04 made me so sad.
I have the trial version on my 360...figured I would purchase it sometime later when I had money. Now it's a demo forever :(
this game has great true to comic / cartoon look. really awesome looking art style.
Dude, your video analysis are always top notch. I've always wanted to see the differences between the PS1 and Saturn versions. Thank you!!!! Suggestions for the future would be Vampire Savior and/or JoJo Bizarre adventure, two of the most underrated fighting games of all time. Peace!
Still one of my favorite games in the marvel/capcom bunch, if not my favorite period. The rest went on to become far too chaotic, whereas the fighting was much more focused here. Also, the whole design in this game was just splendid, and the gems were a fantastic variable that were absent in every other game, until MvC Infinite. I just ADORE this game, and while it was a bit inferior, i LOVED having it on my PSX.
it's good to see you back buddy, i hope you keep uploading fantastic vids in the future
The arcade version was phenomenal, nothing beats the arcade version at all.
Nice video. While there are other videos of this type on other channels, they don't go into the detail you do.
They should have a Marvel vs Capcom collection with X-Men:CoTA, X-Men vs Street Fighter, Marvel Super Heroes, Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter, Marvel vs Capcom, and Marvel vs Capcom 2
That would cost at least a 100 bucks!!!!
@@J-gritty make that $29.99
@@luckystudent00 nah, that's how much marvel origins cost for 2 games...lol
A pipe dream indeed 🤨
I've been saying this for years lol
Nice high detailed comparisons and some interesting differences, good work
I'm not even paying attention half of the time, I just love the music in Capcom fighters.
This game was so hard to find on PS1. I tried to collect these all in 2000-2002.
I'll sell it to you
@@tonycervz89 I'll buy it.
@@13Gangland how much you'll give me for it I got the case manual everything
@@tonycervz89 I have 75 I can do right now,we can exchange paypal information ect. Privately. I assume the game works correct?
@@13Gangland yes sir crisp condition
thanks for providing lots of very useful information on the differences between each versions of the game, I was thinking of getting the saturn version for collection purposes but now I think I'll just settle with my PS3 digital version since its arcade perfect, still would be nice to have the physical copy
GREAT comparison, the best i see
Dude you're amazing, I'll be waiting for new videos. You have a new subscriber lml
I'm glad I got Marvel vs. Capcom: Origin. On my PS3 since a few years ago like around... 2015 I think.
Share the code or never mention this again.
I remember completing the arcade with one quarter and having to beat 3 new challengers in the process. I’ll never be that cool again…
We need u back
Great video like always!!
*SEGA SATURN hands down!* ⭐️
Arcade was the best.
Saturn got second place by a landslide.
Correct
I wouldn’t call it a landslide. The only way the Saturn got the extra character animation was through the RAM cart. While the backgrounds are better than PS1, the slowdown is about just as bad, sound is still sped up and compressed, and the loading is worse. Basically, this never got a good home port up until the 360/PS3 and this year.
90's every character is a bodybuilder!! Look that shapes!! High muscular development and definition!
Sehr gut. Surprisingly, I enjoyed the PS1 ports of games such as this and Children of the Atom tremendously. They all play a little different but the visuals and details are a sad reality that divides attention given to any one game. I am certain you've caught and noticed many differences during your examinations. Some details I noticed missing between the PS1 port and arcade are:
- Thanos destroying the background of his stage when he uses his power super (big orange ball that has slight tracking abilities if you try to super jump it)
- Dr. Doom stage having more detail as you move further along. I'm sure other stages have details I never noticed when I had visited the game years ago.
- The start / select button used for the reality gem. Different colours and different icons that dizzy you quickly.
- Not a different detail but it's something many people tend not to notice. Electricity on an opponent reduces their meter but drains very fast if you do manage to dizzy and spiral someone as they fall.
Great comparison!
Marvel vs Capcom and X-men vs SF please.
Marvel vs capcom.collection 2024!!its comin baby!
Awesome video as always. Much more detailed comparisons than any other TH-cam channel. Thanks a lot!
Technically both the Saturn and PS1 were much more powerful than CPS2. The main issue with consoles of that time was their storage medium, and the fact that those systems couldn’t just pull data off the discs like the arcade game and consoles before it could do with their ROM boards or cartridges. Saturn and PS1 for this reason were limited to however much work RAM they had, and because it was only 2MB a game could load at once on both systems (aside from Saturn RAM cartridge expansion), sacrifices had to be made. Had both systems been able to run the game off a cartridge ROM with enough storage like say the N64 or anything before it, this would’ve been a totally different scenario.
thank you ! ( showing the digital marketplace hell at the end counts as a bonus )
X-Men vs. Street Fighter next
After seeing X-Men vs Sf with the Ram cart, I feel they could've done better on the Saturn... But this was prob before Capcom really got the hang of the capabilities w/ the cart.
I want to say this came out before the 4MB RAM cart. They were limited to the 1MB expansion initially.
Also, X-Men Vs. Street Fighter was the start of the Marvel animation cuts of the arcade games, so it kinda gets a leg up in that regard, not to mention that the backgrounds are also simpler.
Awesome vid. I'd really like to see a comparison of Darkstalkers on Playstation to the arcade and Nightwarriors on Saturn. I've always been curious about how close the Playstation game is on animation, particularly compared to the Saturn semi-sequel.
Too bad the Original PlayStation never got night warriors darkstalkers revenge, then they would have had the darkstalkers trilogy.
I remember buying darkstalkers 3 for the 1st PlayStation years ago for 30 bucks new. It was a fun game.
Nowadays, I have a few hundred games on my raspberry pi retropie and couldn't be happier.
Again! Looking back at it now, i didn't realize i'm playing worst version of this game as a kid. Well at least i got the emulated port for the Xbox 360.
I feel dumb because I downloaded it when it came out, then decided to delete it for final fantasy 13 Lightning returns...smh
@@J-gritty You can always redownload it if you have your old account.
@@13Gangland I've never purchased it...🤧😔💔
Hope to see some video about JoJo Bizarre adventure
Nice work!
Very good video
I loved xmen on the Saturn so bought this when I saw it was out on PS1, I realised it did not feel right and so went back to the shop and exchanged it for Castevania symphony of the night, I made the right choice, I later picked it up for the saturn.
I remember ordering the Japanese import for Sega Saturn from retailer NCS based in NY. I was so disappointed with all the slow down despite how gorgeous the game looked. Not sure why Capcom decided to release the game with that issue since all the other titles with the RAM cart expansion were successful.
This game came before the 4mb cart was out. where capcom messed up is they didn't delay the game until the cart was out and then program it to work with it.
If they had just delayed the game and waited for the 4mb then all frames of animations could have been there and there wouldn't be any slowdown and this could have been the best home port for the time..
@@HellTantrumbull yes! That 4MB did wonders for the Saturn too!
So currently, the best way to play this game is the PS3 digital release
@Rhiorrha Arcade version is still the absolute best (which is virtually the same as the Xbox 360 XBLA/PSN version's ROM... but those are both delisted).
Strictly speaking in reference to the 5th Gen 32Bit conversions at the time, the Saturn version was the way to go... RAM cart or not. As noted in the video, unofficial RAM carts had sporadic performance issues. The official 1MB RAM cartridge (dark gray one w/red label) was the one it was designed to use.
great videos
Mhm its about time
What does the official 1-meg cart look like? Does it have a red label?
The cartridge itself is grey plastic. The label on the front has a red color that fades to white.
I think I've seen it before. Wasn't it bundled with a king of fighters game?
@@SuperJumpReviewsKOF96 and on I believe. KOF95 had a specialized cartridge just for that game to assist with loading and storing assets as needed.
Cool!
I hope to see Marvel Super Heroes using 4MB cartridge
waleed nasser
Maybe it might work with the 4MB cart but with an Action Replay 4M+ there is a lot of slowdown.
Dark Savior Madara the slowdown still if use 4mb or 1 mb officel or not .
More slowdown with 4mb and AR compared to 1mb and without cart :/
So i was wnderinf if you can do the same for marvel vs capcom 2 arcade vs ps2 and ps3 and xbox 360 what not
In this case, both 32 bit ports were not good, the arcade version remains the definitive version, or the emulated one bundled with MvC on PS3 (and long delisted, thankfully I downloaded it off PSN long ago), whatever your choice may be. The PS3 version also allows you to unlock Anita, who is broken as hell to use.
Single player is a travesty on Saturn. The A.I. is non-existent.
It’s the same on the PS1. Both home versions had their difficulty stripped back a lot.
Too bad the XBLA version got delisted back in 2014, so I have no choice but to play this on MAME with BGFX (I use HLSL)...
I find the Saturn version suffers from the same slowdown regardless of whether you use the extra RAM or not. It’s too bad because this is a great arcade fighter. One wishes the 4MB cart would have been used here. A rare misstep for Capco.
I think the reason for the 1MB instead of 4MB is because of timing with development. this game and X-Men vs Street Fighter did come out the same year but the 4MB cart had just come out and capcom just kept at it with the 1MB instead of delaying the game while they put the extra work time with the other game so it could use the 4MB to keep all frames and keep the tag team since it provided enough space.
This game also came out in the US too and I don’t think the 4MB RAM was going to get made for the US audiences as by this time the Saturn was all but dead here.
INFINITY!!!!!!!!!! any1 know where i can get that sound? would like to set it as my txt tone.
FINAL JUSTICE!
Thanks a LOT. I was so insecure about to buy this old game but the Ps1 version is worth having. Thanks 😉🎮
My friend has this for ps1
All my knowledge about the infinite stones, thanos and so on, comes from this video game xD
感觉土星版的角色要比其他两个版本稍微大一些，是错觉吗？
Saturn is lower resolution, because of that the characters appear bigger, but in actuality they’re not.
原来如此
3:57 @0.25x speed. You're welcome.
i would to ask, will you ever do 3rd strike anytime soon
Why? I don't think there are any difference in animation or sprites in any port of 3rd strike.
@@retroport9393 yeah but i heard people say that some ports play worse then others like the ps2 version is worse then the dreamcast or the online edition isn't accurate to the arcade
@@retroport9393 What about Street Fighter III: New Generation and 2nd Impact on Dreamcast? Are there any differences in animation?
Gorgeous Gremac
I would also like to see a comparison with games like MvC2 PS2, DC and Xbox. Also on why ppl consider the DC version the closest to the arcade.
*Saturn wins*
Thanos Supreme
Sega Saturn Win !
Compared to the arcade version, neither are a win. The Saturn version, especially without the RAM cart is only really better with backgrounds. Beyond that, they perform about the same which is TERRIBLE, the sound is equally as appalling, and the Saturn’s load time is longer. The extra animation is kinda moot when the big characters still lose a lot on attacks where it kinda matters.
😮😮😮😮
all these fighting games ported to the systems are all good and great!!
but to me, this is where the titles started to SUCK and die all the way down.
X-MEN Children of the Atom
Marvel Super Heroes
X-MEN vs Street Fighter
Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter
MARVEL vs CAPCOM Clash of the Super Heroes
and that's where all the master piece of fighting games will forever be at....
Marvel vs Capcom 2 started sucking and from there every single Arcade series
of that game died.....
if you asked me? Capcom should've removed all that JUMPING on a Cock BS melee
attacks, because every fucking combo is now done by air and never on the ground...
where, it's fucking stupid.....
consoles from the 90s .saturn and ps1 was always behind . vs the arcade version..
xmen children of the atom ..was also inferior to the arcade .. game reviews magazines back in the day lie to many gamers.. saying that the saturn version was perfect and shit. LIARS.mf. today not worth playing capcom fighting games on this consoles anymore.. you already have mame emulation this capcom fighters play perfect.via emulation
saturn and ps1 consoles are exclusive titles only..