Mrs li you are chinese not a New Zealander. You have obligation to Maori people. For all suffering of Maori you need to get rid of crown. Also something like New Zealander doesn't exist but kiwis do exist.
Imagine "who will you sit with on the bus" being a question asked to a world leader by the BBCs apparent top political journalist, with everything happening in the world at the moment
@@jimbojimbo6873 I think they were making a point that it’s amazing that the most powerful people in the world will be “on a bus” vs in their own motorcades like we are used to seeing
What the heck has a president to do with a republic? Why do you think you'd have to have a president, or that there would be "yet another level" of government? What nonsense... And what is the monarchy for you other than another UNELECTED level of government? Primarily, you have a parliamentary system, and a president in such a system is just a representative figure rubber-stamping legislative processes. You can also just leave out that office and have the head of government also be head of state. It's up to you. But keep in mind that you have NO say in who that opera king in London is, because in a monarchy, you are not the sovereign of the country, whereas in a republic you are.
I think you have this confused young jojo. A president is not mandatory, it also doesn’t half to take over from the PM. For example, Ireland is a republic independent nation, they have a PM and a president. The PM runs the country and the president is more like an ambassador, don’t think he has any real power (like the king of England). But the fact you’re under the crown, means you DO have an unnecessary level of government governing you.
When Barbados changed from a unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy to a unitary parliamentary republic, the new President of Barbados became the elected ceremonial Head of State. The Prime Minister of Barbados remains the Head of Government with political authority.
Why would you want to? Your basically erasing any trace of the shared culture and identity with Britain and the other countries in the Anglosphere. Will they then change it to the Chinese flag? No wonder people are concerned, New Zealand should be removed from the 5 eyes if they do because how can they be trusted whist they are cosying up to China and severing all ties with their kin
Why would you have a power hungry president? NZ is a parliamentary democracy, and why would that change after becoming a republic? You have already replaced that terrible Westminster style election system where a party with just 43% of the votes can have a "landslide majority" with the election system from Germany that gurantees proportional representation. And by all accounts, this was hugely successful for your democracy. The German equivalent of your PM is not the president but the chancellor, elected by Parliament. The equivalent of the king is the federal president, elected basically by a joint session of the federal parliament and the federal council of the states. That office is hardly something for people with power hunger. It's an office whose importance rises and falls with the moral authority of its occupant. And whether a country needs a president/monarch at all, is a whole different story... The biggest difference is simply who is the sovereign of the country, you or some remote opera king...
As someone who lives in a republic, I can tell you how I appreciate the role of a constitutional monarch as an apolitical head of state. You are very fortunate.
@@AUmarcus So if they don't have any policatal power.Why do they exist then? Why are taxpayers footing the bill for this pradade when we are going through a cost of living crisis..
@@liamcollins9183 Why would you want to change your flag anyway? You want to erase any connection to the country than give birth to you? Your basically turning your back on your own kin if you do that. Maybe you should change it to the flag of a China..
New Zealand has more pressing issues than becoming a republic. The state of our health care is one example. Jacinda should have answered I am here for the Queens funeral and now is not the right time to be having those sorts of conversations.
It's not the PM's fault what questions media ask and the PM has pointed out to media she is there for the funeral. PM Ardern is not making NZ a republic, she is just pointing out that people's attitudes are changing, just like the Queen was aware of that too.
@@louiethered479 The PM should have been able to parry that question at this time out of respect to the royal family. Now is not the right time for those sorts of conversations.
Nz health care is one of the best in the world. If u look at other countries health care is the best soo look at the rest of the world first cause countries like the US gave worse health care then people in NZ
I am so proud of our Commonwealrh relationships. Same age as Jacinda. Half NZ Euro descendant (7th Gen) and half Māori. Not going to lie. I would be gutted if we became a republic within my lifetime 🇳🇿❤️🇬🇧
The Maori lost their lands to white Europeans. I don't understand your pride. I'm a descendant of peoples who were forced to leave their homes east of the Mississippi River. And also from slaves in America. It makes it hard to feel any pride about the USA.
Im not comfatable with elected officials making unfounded projections ..the surety of traditions and precedents runs deeper fhan their temporary office
After seeing what can happen with an 'elected' president - won't mention any names but he's American - I'm happy to stick with a constitutional monarchy.
@@faissal3055True. I should have added the caveat 'so long as they behave''. Still - the last time a British monarch refused to sign into law a bill presented to him by Parliament was in 1708. Trump refused to sign one presented to him by Congress in 2020.
Presidents tend to use the apparatus of state against their opponents. The FBI in the USA for example. With a monarch there isn't that problem because they are head of state until they die or decide to abdicate.
London bridge has fallen, so it won't be too far away for NZ becoming republic, I'll say, and it should really be sovereign as a Nation based on real constitution not "New Constitution" but diverting back to the original constitution, just like USA. We would be following under USA state of Law of Republic, instead of British Monarchy as a commonwealth Nation. It will happen whether you'll like or not. Mark my words! When it happens, she won't be in power by then.
If NZ were a republic while she were prime minister, she would spend more time doing the Queen's job (representing, talking to other representatives) and less time doing the job she is supposed to be doing....
Agreed, the Waitangi treaty would need renegotiating. It’s not trivial for NZ to career towards republicanism for good reasons. Australia should take notes and look after their First Nation people before suing for republicanism.
@@leakifolog - if you follow Australian politics then you would know that a referendum on a constitution voice to parliament for First Nations people is on the governments agenda for this term. There is no current talk of a referendum on a republic - it is firmly a second priority to constitutional recognition and treaty.
Lots of people also see the Monarchy as anachronistic. It is time to acknowledge that Aotearoa is a diverse country in which the Head of State should no longer a British person whose real value is propping up British tourism.
If we were to become a republic, the treaty of Waitangi or its foundations and consideration for Maori would be included in any new constitution anyway. Changing to a republic doesnt mean existing and historic rights of Maori will be extinguished, simply that we will move away from a constitutional monarch. Either way, having a monarchy is symbolic and useless
She got no choice in the end the day. London bridge has fallen, so it won't be too far away for NZ becoming republic, I'll say, and it should really be sovereign as a Nation based on real constitution not "New Constitution" but diverting back to the original constitution, just like USA. We would be following under USA state of Law of Republic, instead of British Monarchy as a commonwealth Nation. It will happen whether you'll like or not. Mark my words! When it happens, she won't be in power by then.
I don't really care about the monarchy as a kiwi. But it does fulfill a couple of good purposes. 1: It keeps us from centralising power because we have a neutered head of state. 2: It concretes our alliances. I don't see a reason to get rid of it for as long as it does something beneficial.
Damn I've been conditioned... now every time I see her I cannot avoid thinking she will start singing and flying with an umbrella... or talking to the handle.
You can safely assume that when she speaks at least one thing will be a lie. 😲😁 She said lockdowns were until people could get vaxed. Well there was no vax for over 1 year, so that's a lie. She has lost all ability to be genuine since she signed up for Agenda 2030 that's all she's been focused on. It's very sad.
As a New Zealander I am appalled at Jacinda Ardern. Imagine if she was New Zealands head of state 😳 frightening. The best part of having a monarch as head of state is that politicians are held accountable by someone who doesn't strive for power but is born into it and is trained to be unbiased, think on the longest term rather than just keeping themselves in power. And are based in service. A founding that politicians never have. Jacinda is the perfect example. She has bankrupted our economy, has fractured relationships within New Zealand between many New Zealanders and cares more about her overseas exposure and 'fame' as a jumping board for a UN job than actual New Zealanders living in the country.
@Bell Olli I know that. I don't think it makes a difference. Its about mental accountability. There was a study I read years ago that compared stability, and levels of corruption in countries that had monarchs as head of state vs politicians. It was extreemely clear that even though monarchs do not have direct power in systems like New Zealand there is more stability and less corruption overall. Not none, but more stability, less corruption.
@@bartymurns I am generalising so I guess you are right. But if you do not see the NZ economy in a dire state because of her crazy spending then I am shocked. Honestly though, If you think I am seriously missing something, please do explain, I would genuinely be interested.
Thank goodness as an American I'm not part of your f****** b******* ass monarchy better rate these country with black and brown people took their jewelry and all this other s*** not to mention the brutal crack down in Kenya immediately after Elizabeth got sworn in and she didn't say s*** about it or try to stop it because British colonial governors are brutal when it come and keeping the natives in line so God do not bless your queen now departed and God do not bless your king you piece of monarchy ass s*** that's what I think
@@charlesneely you dumb ... its a constitutional monarchy ( look it up ... moron ) where the monarchy has NO power you simpleton LOL what a moron - did you go to school ?
There are some former British colonies which are Republics and within the Commonwealth,the ties with the U.K. is something that is cherished.There are always people with differing opinions,nothing is wrong with that view.
@@christianamary1540 your opinion,nothing is wrong with that,my opinion is I like the discipline and civility of the REAL British,we can't change HISTORY and I am not responsible for the mistakes my ancestors made.We learn from HISTORY and we can see the mistakes and atrocities are still happening today in different countries.In 200 years from now,who is going to apologise for present day mistakes.Present day will be HISTORY.
That was the Nats John key. PM Jacinda Ardern is not proposing to make NZ a republic. That will be up to the people in the future, all she is saying is that she wouldn't be surprised if NZ becomes a republic during her lifetime, she is not saying she will be the one to do it.
@@louiethered479 she doesn't need to state it as such and she won't because the key is in the snippets of truth she's actually alluding to. She's got a degree in communications, particularly public relations so she knows what to say and what not to say to appease her boss. She's foreshadowing, we already know her ties to wef. It's all part of their plan to sell us out to China.
Hell no! London bridge has fallen, so it won't be too far away for NZ becoming republic, I'll say, and it should really be sovereign as a Nation based on real constitution not "New Constitution" but diverting back to the original constitution, just like USA. We would be following under USA state of Law of Republic, instead of British Monarchy as a commonwealth Nation. It will happen whether you'll like or not. Mark my words! When it happens, she won't be in power by then.
@@Ducktility Mate ya gotta tell me.. why do people who clearly don’t have an understanding of the situation… can’t resist the urge to comment…. Something happens.. boom “I’ve got an opinion on that” Ffs last few years been f wits commenting on virology..😂👍
NZ is a very problematic place at the moment. It’s a very small country that is deeply nepotistic. Many people feel this nepotism has been fostered under guise of ‘empathy’ and ‘identity’ and this has caused huge problems.
@@boutek Considering what is happening in NZ around Maori and reverse racism, un-elected Maori assigned to City Council seats, Maori only Health board, every government department being renamed in Maori, I would be very weary of NZ becoming a republic, we are on a very slippery slope already and I don't want to see NZ become another Zimbabwe.
@@Battleneter the driving force behind Rhodesia becoming Zimbabwe was idiots like you the complete unwillingness to negotiate from a position of strength became the reason for why no one was willing to compromise with Rhodesia - Zimbabwe thus resulting in the internal settlement being rejected resulting in modern Zimbabwe.
@@Battleneter Well, this isn't what I imagine NZ to be like. I don't live there but my gf is from Auckland and she never mentioned Mugabe style governing and white people suffering under themselves.
As a Canadian I'm grateful and proud to have monarchy in Canada. I like the fact that we have a shared monarch with New Zealand and the other Realms. I also value having a non political Head of State who's role is to ensure that there is a legitimate PM to lead a government that needs to act within the bounds of the constitution. Since the time of Queen Victoria (and arguably since George III) Canada and New Zealand have had dedicated Monarchs who put their duty first, they serve. Looking south to the great Republic to our southern boarder during the last election, I didn't see politicians putting their country first. I saw violence, selfishness, greed, and anger. I also sensed genuine instability if President Trump wanted to use his power of Commander in Chief to prevent the peaceful transfer of power. My view is that our Realms deserve better - and that we have a better system of Government. Hopefully CANZUK can move forward - as I would be very excited to grow the relations between our nations.
Our relationship with the monarchy kinda defined us as Canadians as oppose to been americans....those darn rebels ahahahahah. But yes, having a monarchy does dissuade from cult of personality developing around politician. I don't see any of us fawning over our prime ministers.
Yes. One seldom-mentioned advantage of a monarchy is that provided a constitutional monarch can earn the respect and reasonable allegiance of the majority of the population, he or she can prevent a prime minister granting himself a lifetime dictatorship. That is a valuable safeguard.
NZ can remain in the commonwealth and our bilateral agreements would still stand. Just that our constitutional arrangements would actually reflect the country.
As a New Zealander, we should stick with the monarchy, long live the king! No advantage in being a republic, our country is tiny, we have great ties with the United Kingdom.
They abandoned us when they joined the EU back in the day. They don't allow us British citizenship. We already trade with them and are in the commonwealth games. Many countries with independence are still in the games. What do we really gain from this archaic tradition? We just don't need a Monarch.
@@Drannn54 Good luck with that, for China🇨🇳 will benefit it, if Australia🇦🇺 considers the plan of ditching the monarchy, much how it was done Barbados🇧🇧 in ditching the monarchy and become a republic. Also, China be condemned.
@@Drannn54 Like, anyone are assuming that Barbados could fall into poverty if their government is a mess and economy falling, like Haiti. P.S. - I don't do drugs and that accusation is wrong and absurd.
That might be her wish and she is working very hard to make it so, but there is a large proportion of the population who disagree. That includes a lot of the tribes who signed a treaty with the Crown. She has written principles of the treaty into legislation she has enacted. The tribes however have signed UNDRIP which was ratified by the government which could lead to tribes governing alone.
She has done a great job in dividing our nation in the guise of unity. It doesn't matter what the people say - she will go ahead with the agenda set before her no matter what. I hope more people of NZ wake up to what is going on - it is heartbreaking.
NZ is totally blessed to have Ms. Ardern as a leader. Based on history, her efforts to make the country a Republic are extremely important, because that form of governance has been shown to promote better democracy, improved economic conditions and a generally improved quality of life for the greater majority. This isn't hypothetical, it's well established. However, history has also shown that major improvements in governing, i.e., transitioning from authoritarian to a democracy are always met with strong resistance from the Far Right and the less educated so her work is just beginning.
Can’t imagine why NZ becoming a republic is so important. Not like it’s somehow not an independent country. Always thought it was admirable how NZ, Australia and Canada, along with others, maintained that tie to the UK. While some similar countries in the Caribbean may cut that tie in the years to come, it’s not a surprise. Their relationship to the UK was more complicated and there are still grievances. Don’t think the same holds for NZ/AU/CA. Now that the UK left the EU there is an opportunity to forge a closer bond and not be so dependent on the US.
Ardern has a nasty habit of making such statements whilst away from New Zealand. She is a trained spin doctor and will deny she made any such statements when she returns home. Her party’s popularity is in free fall so anything.. including changing her hairstyle.. is an effort to keep her front of mind to the NZ electorate. My main concern right now is that she chose the eve of QEII’s funeral to utter such rubbish. NZ will still recognise the Monarch as head of state in a century from now. God save the King.
She is wearing it up, next step cut it short, next step she is sitting beside Helen Clarke at the UN ruling NZ in the shadows from her chair in New York just like Helen was in the early days of 2017 when Jacinda was first elected.
Because she is right! With immigration not coming from the UK as much any more ................ the monarchy becomes less relevant in NZ, Canada and Australia!
Because she's always on our f'n tv, during covid she was literally on it an hour a day 6 days a week like a loony. The other day she was dressed up in some wearable arts clothes being a model on the runway the other day I don't know if she actually does a job properly. Shes been on our tv more than any other prime minister. If it's not that she's banning rubbish lol first it was plastic bags in which they still have plastic bags just with writing on them saying reuse me, people used to reuse and return the ones she banned, so not really banning plastic bags, then it was vegetable wrapping banning but still they had plastic bags for collecting veges so not really banned and last week it was a ban on takeaway containers, the takeaway shops had no clue it was totally disorganized, no warning and so they're like how are we supposed to sell our food with no containers when they are all sold out at the wholesalers, once again putting businesses in a really risky situation because then how do they sell their goods and make money. Like how much praise can one give themselves for banning individual rubbish items that could be solved once with implemented soft plastic recycling systems but instead choose to spend 360 million on television station merging which she loves being on, she's amazingly a terrible prime minister. Anything she wants to do, I can guarantee, the opposite is the best idea.
I do not understand why the British feel so right to leave the EU but those same people feel offended by countries that want to leave the commonwealth???
I wouldn’t underestimate the importance of the relationship of Maori with ‘Queen Victoria and her successors’. ‘The Crown’ is not just some ephemeral synonym for ‘the government’. It is clear in the Treaty of Waitangi that that relationship is both specific and personal. Whilst a Republican leaning Kiwi myself, I still see value both in the constitutional arrangement and the relationship. I also think that it is vital that the Māori perspective is front and centre in any debate we have. The gains of the last three decades are far too critical to imperil and the realities of a Republican government when we have no written Constitution require a lot of consideration. We are a long way from a solution to that and while the former PM, Sir Geoffrey Palmer has his draft, I am more than cautious about his ivory tower experimentation. He is infamous amongst officials for declaring that the inclusion of reference to the Treaty of Waitangi in State Sector legislation was essentially meaningless in law. It proved to be otherwise.
She's probably right though, the reality is that in this era NZ has very little to gain from being linked to the UK. Economicly NZ seems to be in a far better position than the UK. Per capita kiwis earn more than in the UK. These days on the world stage, the UK is very much thought of as a dieing empire of which it's citizens are clinched to the memory of. One would hope that future NZ has the capacity and sense to declare itself a republic, claim the 2 million hectares of crown land it's own, and form a constitution where by all NZ citizens have equal opportunity within their country.
Agree fully with you: but....two further points, the Treaty of Waitangi was never ratified (which is kinda Palmers point in law) and Queen Elizabeth in seven decades never did a single thing in advancing a ratification or re-ratification in her own name. Bluntly, Victoria never sign her assent and the Houses of Parliament never sent it to her. As Māori I feel adamant that the Treaty must be forefront of any constitution, but that will come from a new generation of rangitahi.
She is probably right though 🤷♂️ NZ has become very unlinked to the UK from an economy perspective and realistically gains very little from being linked to it in any way... it's only natural that the public observe distinction and move in the direction of a republic...
@@AntonioGarcia-zr9uc New Zealand is an independent country, but it's going to be subjected to foreign influence of the US and China regardless of what it decides on the commonwealth. At least the British Monarchy is willing to listen to popular opinion. The US is only interested in its business and foreign interest, and so is China. It's good to be independent, but outside of a larger organization like the EU, an alliance with the British Commonwealth, or Pacific Democracies, a NZ Republic will be dominated.
@@ritemolawbks8012 Americans are moving to Isolationism again. Americans are ending trade relations with China. The only American interest in NZ is tourism by Rich people.
@@bvkronenberg6786 That's neither US foreign policy nor remotely close to being true, but if it helps you feel better making random statements, then that's your right.
What great thing would potentially leaving the commonwealth and/or becoming a republic achieve for any member nation? What does becoming a republic do for a nation or its people that it cannot do already? Or is it just pure optics?
Not what becoming a republic would entail. Being a member of the commonwealth and having the king as head of state are not the same thing. Removing the king as head of state, i.e becoming a republic, wouldn't make NZ leave the commonwealth. Countries like South Africa and India are in the commonwealth and are republics for instance.
@@NyanyiC it wasn’t stolen it was conquered. Just like every other piece of land on this earth except for the poles. The same thing happened in England, you don’t hear the English asking for anything from the Scandinavia country’s for when they pillaged and murdered the English country side then took the crown. This world is never going to move forward until people put the past behind them. I’m a marionette Lebanese, my great grandfather was worked to death by an Turkish prince because they needed his mule. My family had to pay taxes just to practice our religion for close to a millennia. No one owes me anything. If we can’t move past the past how are we going to create a better future? The world was a shitty place for a long time, most of its existence. But to truly make this world a better place every one needs to just get over the past treat each other with respect and stop holding grudges. This life is what you make it.
Days gone by? What the hell 2 days ago! If NZ was to go to a republic don't you think that's something the general public should have a say in? Or does Jacinda know best for all of us? Statements like that show an arrogant attitude to democracy and a severe attitude towards a dictatorship.
As a Canadian I don't really care about the Monarchy either. Seeing this outpouring of love from the Monarchy from fellow Canadians shows many people still do, though.
This is just what Jacinda Ardern wants so she is saying it will happen. In reality New Zealanders have mixed feelings about this and there's no real drive to change the status quo.
Wot a disgrace! Im a new Zealander and she doesn't speak for me!! She is a prime minister on her way out... she is very outa touch of the people of new Zealand!
Not sure why you would travel to the funeral of your monarch and then start spruiking your becoming a republic before she is even in the ground. You just can't take the politics out of a politician - lol.
Kiwi here. Thanks for everything Britain, we were a young country but we’re ready now to stand on our own two feet. The King is well loved but in my opinion there’s no practical sense to having your ruler living 15,000km away. It’ll happen at some point, just a matter of when
@@richlee509 since 1840 no country has battled with New Zealand. All I can think of is France and the rainbow warrior, but other than that all Kiwi deaths in international conflict have been from fighting for Britain. I see it as being the other way round
A little crass isn't it discussing this before the Queen has even had a funeral? But if it has to be discussed its completely pointless move. No new freedoms or increase in democracy will come about. A President would fill quite literally the same role as a Monarch however instead of a truly neutral figure you instead of a politician elected from a party that will further divisions in the country. It's nothing more than a symbolic gesture that would have a real affect in degrading people's feeling of the position. But if New Zealanders want that then that is on them though I don't think it's as inevitable as Jacinda Ardern tries to paint it. As long as they vote that in a referendum and not an election where a political party slip it into their manifesto as a backwards way of getting what they want.
Within NZ we are not suggesting getting a president. The largest republican movement merely calls from the codification of a constitution and the granting of check powers to the governor-general. The suggestion being that the governor-general has super majority support in parliament.
For all those countries demanding apologies, will THEY ever admit to their history, the one with slavery, genocide and tribal murders, we ALL have a history, pretty sure my working class ancestors didn't have slaves or even servants so please can we ALL admit history was bad and get on with improving the future?
There's a balance to be had, when we were colonised by the Romans they did bad things but on balance it was of benefit. What did the British ever do for us?
When a politician says he wants to abolish the Monarchy, what he really wants is to have in his hands a power that belongs to the King, but a politician never has the same sense of responsibility as a Monarch.
Whoever's reading this, i pray that whatever you're going through gets better and whatever you're struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine and that everyone has a fantastic day! Amen
Jacinda demonstrating her integrity and how to respond calmly, respectfully and with intelligence despite the reporters questions and manner of questioning! 😅
@@grandaddyc Mostly filled with Labour Governments, should add. There have only been 2-3 National governments in the last 20 years. The rest, like our budget, is firmly in the red.
All I know is that I love visiting NZ , not sure I would live there... but its an amazing country to travel around.... don't know if becoming a Republic would make much difference tbh
I suspect that Canada will keep the monarchy for a while longer, as the institution is a constitutional safeguard against an overtly strong president. I'm not a monarchist, but I'm not keen for our country to have an American-styled form of republicanism either.
Canadian here too. Although I want us to stay a monarchy, becoming a republic would not change abything. Just the title of the figurehead at the top. From GG to President of the Federation. We would still keep the Westminster parliamentary system.
The Republic of Ireland has had an elected Head of State for years.You don’t have to have a presidential leader.Mary Robinson was apolitical,yet had worldwide respect.
The pm of NZ makes me sick🤮 she has run this country into the ground. An for Clarke he is the highest paid person on the benefit fishing shows, house moving shows and now holidays on us tax paying sucker's 🤦🏼♂️that lady needs to focus of getting this country back up and running like it was before she got in!! She has made millions an millions sense being pm and the people that are working are saving peanuts!! You make me sick lady!!🤮
@@csaw200 food was cheaper same with rent, we didn't have as many criminals? She gave people in jail the right to vote an then took away rights from honest people who handed there guns in an that made a black market for guns!!
@@brynlyhunwick1862 it's never going to happen. And if you think Labour and Jacinda can do it, your Dreamin Mate, vote for Socialists you get results like what we have here in New Zealand, their idea of Utopia.
What gives her the right to say that New Zealand will become a Republic? It's not her choice! It's up to the people of New Zealand. She's on her last legs as Prime Minister and will most likely be voted out next year and good riddance to her?
There is little coercion from the crown and it,s been that way for a coupe of generations. We are our own dog. The question is to me irrelevant, except perhaps the devil you know is better than the one you dont.
I have such great respect for NZ as a dual citizen of Canada and the UK. The Commonwealth is greatly under appreciated and a valuable asset. We would be well served to strengthen the bond. Our nations development is not hindered with a shared head of state.
I agree. People want to become republics just for this symbolism of being “independent” but really it gains you nothing and just gives you a worse political system
It gives you a better political system. You can’t just arbitrarily denigrate systems of government like that, you have to back it up. The most successful country for the past century+ has been a republic! You’re on a republic’s technology!
There was no morality attached to British Imperialism. That's the first fact we must accept. None the less, the blending of cultures via Imperialism, did create new cultures where the best of the colonialist and the colony grew into a new country. It took me a very long time to understand this. Sadly not all British colonies were as successful in standing strong and steadfast and maintaining their cultural identity, as the NZ Maori. Why ? We fought long and hard, until the Brits finally gave us a Treaty. Treaties don't come easily. You have to fight for your right to exist. The Aboriginal people of Australia never experienced that privilige. This is a complex issue. I think the NZ PM is correct. I love the Monarchy in England. And hope it remains in the sceptered isle until the end of time. Each country is different. Each has it's own identity. Our legacy as children of British Imperialism, is the English language. I love my language, and I am most grateful.
SOUL'S JOURNEY AFTER DEATH Al-Bara’ ibn ‘Azib reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, when the believer is ready to depart the world and is facing the Hereafter, angels from heaven descend with bright faces, as if their faces were the sun, with them are the shrouds and perfumes of Paradise, until they sit from him a distance as far as the eye can see. Then, the angel of death, upon him be peace, comes until he sits by his head and he says: O pure soul, come out to the forgiveness of Allah and His pleasure! He takes it out like a drop from a water-skin and holds it, never to leave his hand for the blink of an eye until he places it in that shroud and perfume. The scent coming from it is more pleasant than any musk you would find on the face of the earth. He ascends and passes by no gathering of angels but that they say: What a pure spirit! They say he is this person, son of this person, calling him by the best names by which he was known in the world, until he stops at the lowest heaven and seeks entry and it will be opened for him. The company of each heaven bring him closer to the heaven following it until he stops at the seventh heaven. Allah Almighty will say: Write the record of My servant in the righteous register and return him to the earth, for from it I created them, to it I return them, and from it I will take them out once again. His spirit will be returned to his body and two angels will come to sit by him, saying to him: Who is your Lord? He will say: My Lord is Allah. They will say: What is your religion? He will say: My religion is Islam. They will say: Who is this man sent you? He will say: He is the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him. They will say: How did you know? He will say: I read the Book of Allah, had faith in it, and believed in it. A heavenly announcement will be made: My servant has spoken the truth! Spread out carpets for him in Paradise, clothe him for Paradise, and open a gate for him to Paradise! Its comforts and fragrances will come to him and his grave will become spacious as far as his eye can see. A handsome man, with fine clothes and wonderful fragrance, will come and say: Glad tidings of what pleases you, for this was your Day you were promised! He will say: Who are you with such a handsome face? He will say: I am your righteous deeds! He will say: O Lord, begin the Hour that I may return to my family and property!” The Prophet continued, “Verily, when the unbeliever is ready to depart the world and is facing the Hereafter, angels descend from heaven with darkened faces and with them sack-cloth. They will sit away from his as far as the eye can see. Then, the angel of death approaches until he sits by his head and he says: O filthy soul, come out to the displeasure of Allah and His wrath! He will be separated from his body like the tearing of skewers from wet wool and he holds it in his hand, never to leave it for the blink of an eye, until he places it in this sack-cloth. The scent coming from it is like the most foul corpse found upon the face of the earth. They will ascend with him and not pass by a gathering of angels but that they say: What a filthy spirit! They say he is this person, son of this person, calling him by the ugliest names by which he was known in the world, until he stops at the lowest heaven. They will request it to be opened for him but it will not open.” Then, the Prophet recited the verse, “The gates of heaven will never open for them, nor will they enter Paradise, until the camel goes through the eye of the needle,” (7:40). The Prophet said, “Allah Almighty will say: Write his record in the wicked register in the lowest earth. His spirit will be thrown down,” then the Prophet recited the verse, “It is as though he had fallen from the sky and was snatched by the birds or the wind carried him down into a remote place,” (22:31). The Prophet said, “His spirit will return to his body and two angels will come to sit by him, saying to him: Who is your Lord? He will say: Uh, uh, I do not know! They will say: What is your religion? He will say: Uh, uh, I do not know! They will say: Who is this man sent to you? He will say: Uh, uh, I do not know! A heavenly announcement will be made: He has lied! Spread carpets for him in Hellfire and open a gate for him to Hellfire! Its heat and its flames will approach him, and he will be squeezed in his grave until his ribs press together. An ugly man, with hideous clothing and a foul stench, will approach him and say: Glad tidings of what despairs you, for this is your Day you were promised! He will say: Who are with your evil face? He will say: I am your wicked deeds! He will say: O Lord, do not begin the Hour!” Source: Musnad Aḥmad 18534
Sick of these fake “truths” about colonization when the fact is, without colonization New Zealand would still be an island of savages. Colonization brought democracy and morality about a thousand years sooner, sparing untold suffering.
Given that the Maori are NOT the aboriginal people in New Zealand, I don’t see any moral high ground. They conquered others than got conquered by the Brits.
The Maoris were only there for 200 years before the white man arrived. They had brutally butchered (and often eaten) the previous inhabitants, just as they did the newly arrived white man. Isn't it a good thing that people of European descent don't do that to new arrivals?
If NZ does become a republic it will cause absolute havoc with the Māori, I doubt it ever will there would have to be overwhelming public support (60+ in agreement) and there simply isn’t.
@@Joe-og6br because the monarchy is overwhelmingly supported by the native New Zealanders and the latest polls show the majority of non native New Zealanders support the monarch. Plus the treaty was officially enforced by the crown and it is the glue keeping it together.
@@Joe-og6br Why would it cause havoc with them you ask...How does a Republic work?....Maori represent 17% of the population in New Zealand max...Kiss goodbye to any leverage they currently enjoy all it takes is one election and your done.
Adern has lost touch with kiwis.....New Zealand will never become a Republic in her life time. Respect for the monarchy runs too deeo thanks to the efforts of our late Queen. A Queen who served the people...... Something we wish from our politicians but know its a standard they will never live up too
That's for sure. I think she likes China too much. And the wearing of the head scarf when the mosque was bombed was over the top. She is a butt kisser.
If New Zealand will become a Republic, what will make this country more prosperous or vice versa, this will be the focus of any concept that will be introduced to the people in the next leadership for a better future that the point.
@ Brown Capri: Why do you think declaring a republic would make New Zealand more prosperous? It does not seem logical to me. But perhaps you have a comprehensible explanation.
@@kanjanathevik5234 A nice person might have spoken highly of a facist dictator for the same reasons. Such gushing is not out of choice, it comes from the pressure of expectation. And it is this pressure to fawn over and adorn with admiration and respect that seves to constantly reinforce the power structure that is monarchy, the same system of empire that oppressed and exploited remains today.
People talk about Republic's in both New Zealand and Australia and I guess the people have a choice. But not all change is a good thing and while the people may change the head of state from Monarch to President. It won't take long before more and more power will be consecrated with the President. It will start off slow with the "President" as merely a Ceremonial figure, but it would only take one incident "where the President had to act" for and in the good of the nation and a precedent would be established and then its a slow but steady journey into less democracy. I could not care less about who is in the Monarchy, but I truly care about the institution. Monarchs come and go but the institution should not.
Many people on here saying how wonderful she is. She was responsible for the largest restriction on civil liberties and human rights in our history. Never forget that. Scared people are easier to control. The easier you are to scare, the easier you are to control.
Exactly and she didn't let people think or have choices she controlled the news. She ruined a lot of people's lives and is running our country paying money right left and centre and who is really paying for this hard working people with 2 or 3 jobs trying to get by. Nz is a beautiful country but its in a very bad place under her leadership.
@@Drannn54 lmao??? What are you talking about? No one had a good time during the lock down. Violence at an all time high child abuse at an all time high mental health at an all time high poverty skyrocketing crime skyrocketing inflation skyrocketing drug abuse skyrocketing homelessness skyrocketing lmao wtf
That's not how I view Australia and I am from the UK. You are certainly not a laughing stock. We are proud that you and NZ are part of the commonwealth and don't want you to leave
I've noticed that when's there is a world event ardern dresses in a similar style to those effected. In this world event she has decided to mimic Princess Anne's look
Because she doesn't. Democracy left NZ a while ago now, when the left realised that as long as they created enough unemployment and state dependency during their term, and generated enough debt and conflict just before the inevitable handover to the opposition over 2-3 governments, that they run the show. The incoming opposition party spends their entire term mopping up the mess the left have created, and are then voted out by a public that does not completely understand economics or politics. They have gone a step further this time, they have nationalised the media by stealth in the form of "publish what we say to publish and turn off the comments section if we intend this as a pre-emptive gauge prior to a law change or we pull the funding". Sounds like we have a blur between the extremes of both systems of the far right and the far left here. That does not make us a centrist country, either.
So that's why she got kick out 😂😂😂😂 4:43 "Come on we can be a Republic now"🐎 (Labour maori members) 🤔Treaty of Waitangi + Republic = discrimination. Give her the 🥾 😂🤣😂😂
Her comment about NZ becoming a Republic is last week's news... Where have you been? Ardern's a bit a hypocrite. Soon changed her tune when she had to speak to the King. Did someone whisper in her ear that he can sack her?
So for all the New Zealanders who are seeing this and saying they can’t imagine New Zealand becoming a republic. I encourage you to look at the Irish Republic. The role of her late Majesty the Queen exists there but is facilitated by the Irish president. The actual governance is done by the Irish Prime Minister (I apologize for not knowing the spelling of the Gaelic title), my point is Ireland has produced wonderful presidents who have represented the nation with the same dignity and neutrality as the queen. I specifically encourage everybody to look up Mary Robinson and Mary McAlees. Yes they had a few political opinions but they remained incredibly neutral so as not to interfere with the day today functions of the government. This is nothing to be afraid of and in modern-day New Zealand, New Zealanders should not have to recognize the authority of a foreign head of state appointed exclusively by birth. There’s something fundamentally wrong about that in the 21st-century. New Zealand and truly all commonwealth countries should be represented by a head of state that is of its people and elected by its people. The commonwealth can continue, certainly, but as a diplomatic alliance of nations, not as a modernization of empire and colonization.
@MsMissy No you should have more respect for freedom of speech, then you wouldn’t appear as I’ll mannered as you do anti-Irish, a very un-English (or New Zealand) virtue. By the way I’m American and i will say what I want because I believe in free speech I don’t need your permission.
@@antmagor As an NZer i wouldnt want some POS president like you Americans get every 4 years. Soo we have a monarch and they never visit. And its an age old defensive alliance, it just seems better that way. And im not even sure becoming a replublic would go smoothly. NZ Maori signed a treaty with the Brittish Monarch that formed modern day NZ. What would happen next? Put the Maori king on the throne? Have a civil war?. I prefer the current system it was agreed upon by our ancestors. And it may seem like a crap deal today. It could be worse like the Aboriginies get in Aus.
But unelected monarchs living off the tax payer dole do? Give me a break. Respect to the queen, not relishing in anyone’s passing, but get a grip, boot licker
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I am a new Zealander and I would not vote for jacinda for dog catcher.
Mrs li you are chinese not a New Zealander.
You have obligation to Maori people.
For all suffering of Maori you need to get rid of crown.
Also something like New Zealander doesn't exist but kiwis do exist.
You have a obligation to maori people 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Or horse trainer ?
Imagine "who will you sit with on the bus" being a question asked to a world leader by the BBCs apparent top political journalist, with everything happening in the world at the moment
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@@nunuofficial5146 Really?
What’s wrong with the question?
A question in jest isn’t an issue
People like you are why the world has to be so negative
@@jimbojimbo6873 I think they were making a point that it’s amazing that the most powerful people in the world will be “on a bus” vs in their own motorcades like we are used to seeing
Many western Journalists are retarded
Bigger problems. Like removing the current Govt next election 😊 🎉
Bloody oath
@Iosefo Timoteo Thanks to Labour we have the MMP
Time to vote her out!!
Done
From NZ I'd never vote for a republic and get a President and yet another level of Government.
What the heck has a president to do with a republic? Why do you think you'd have to have a president, or that there would be "yet another level" of government? What nonsense...
And what is the monarchy for you other than another UNELECTED level of government?
Primarily, you have a parliamentary system, and a president in such a system is just a representative figure rubber-stamping legislative processes. You can also just leave out that office and have the head of government also be head of state. It's up to you. But keep in mind that you have NO say in who that opera king in London is, because in a monarchy, you are not the sovereign of the country, whereas in a republic you are.
Youre an idiot. The commonwealth only benefits england. Not the idiots who still support lingering UK supremacy
I’m also for the monarchy Cindy is dreaming
Good for you. Please persuade fellow Kiwis to stop voting these idiot wokies in, will ya'?
I think you have this confused young jojo.
A president is not mandatory, it also doesn’t half to take over from the PM. For example, Ireland is a republic independent nation, they have a PM and a president. The PM runs the country and the president is more like an ambassador, don’t think he has any real power (like the king of England).
But the fact you’re under the crown, means you DO have an unnecessary level of government governing you.
Doubt it... We couldn't even change a flag.... Personally I don't want a power hungry president.
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When Barbados changed from a unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy to a unitary parliamentary republic, the new President of Barbados became the elected ceremonial Head of State. The Prime Minister of Barbados remains the Head of Government with political authority.
Why would you want to? Your basically erasing any trace of the shared culture and identity with Britain and the other countries in the Anglosphere. Will they then change it to the Chinese flag? No wonder people are concerned, New Zealand should be removed from the 5 eyes if they do because how can they be trusted whist they are cosying up to China and severing all ties with their kin
@Anthony but you want a power hungry monarch.
Why would you have a power hungry president? NZ is a parliamentary democracy, and why would that change after becoming a republic? You have already replaced that terrible Westminster style election system where a party with just 43% of the votes can have a "landslide majority" with the election system from Germany that gurantees proportional representation. And by all accounts, this was hugely successful for your democracy.
The German equivalent of your PM is not the president but the chancellor, elected by Parliament. The equivalent of the king is the federal president, elected basically by a joint session of the federal parliament and the federal council of the states. That office is hardly something for people with power hunger. It's an office whose importance rises and falls with the moral authority of its occupant. And whether a country needs a president/monarch at all, is a whole different story...
The biggest difference is simply who is the sovereign of the country, you or some remote opera king...
As someone who lives in a republic, I can tell you how I appreciate the role of a constitutional monarch as an apolitical head of state. You are very fortunate.
Its flawed. Becuase the role is inherited and not chosen by the people.
@@Hypoksi
The leader of government is chosen/elected by the people. The monarch doesn't have any political power anyway.
Agreed, same here, in a republic there isnt the simbolic power and it is very important.
@@AUmarcus So if they don't have any policatal power.Why do they exist then? Why are taxpayers footing the bill for this pradade when we are going through a cost of living crisis..
@@Metal_Fingers. we are in a cost of living crisis due to the policies put forward by those with political power so what's ur point?
As a New Zealander I won’t be voting to exit from the Commonwealth.
they really didn’t even wait. “oh, the queen is gone? LET’S LEAVE!”
I will be indeed.
There is no vote?
Becoming a Republic does not mean exiting the Commonwealth
If Jacinda and King Charles are members of the WEF then I would.
NZ chose not to legalize weed, I dont think we'll vote to become a republic anytime soon, and remember that flag vote? yeah we kept the old one 😂
I wish you had gone for the laser eyed kiwi design
The weed vote was rigged I know they had enough of NZ public to pass bill but there working and exporting the weed instead
@@jumbo4billion I wish we had too lol
To be fair, the options were pretty rubbish.
I'm not opposed to the concept of a new flag, but I didn't like the options we were given, so voted no.
@@liamcollins9183 Why would you want to change your flag anyway? You want to erase any connection to the country than give birth to you? Your basically turning your back on your own kin if you do that. Maybe you should change it to the flag of a China..
New Zealand has more pressing issues than becoming a republic. The state of our health care is one example. Jacinda should have answered I am here for the Queens funeral and now is not the right time to be having those sorts of conversations.
It's not the PM's fault what questions media ask and the PM has pointed out to media she is there for the funeral. PM Ardern is not making NZ a republic, she is just pointing out that people's attitudes are changing, just like the Queen was aware of that too.
@@louiethered479 The PM should have been able to parry that question at this time out of respect to the royal family. Now is not the right time for those sorts of conversations.
Nz health care is one of the best in the world. If u look at other countries health care is the best soo look at the rest of the world first cause countries like the US gave worse health care then people in NZ
Perfectly said
@@wileyfox3436 Even in the UK Charles isn't particularly popular, so having him thrust upon as head of state makes now as good a time as any
I am so proud of our Commonwealrh relationships. Same age as Jacinda. Half NZ Euro descendant (7th Gen) and half Māori. Not going to lie. I would be gutted if we became a republic within my lifetime 🇳🇿❤️🇬🇧
but not proud of the soviet relationships between Russia and other former soviet states? hypocrisy of the highest order.
Well it'll be up to you. British people won't think any less of Kiwis if they choose to
@@Josh-vc8lrdo it now before new Zealand becomes a de facto Islamic Republic
The Maori lost their lands to white Europeans. I don't understand your pride.
I'm a descendant of peoples who were forced to leave their homes east of the Mississippi River. And also from slaves in America. It makes it hard to feel any pride about the USA.
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Im not comfatable with elected officials making unfounded projections ..the surety of traditions and precedents runs deeper fhan their temporary office
One-party communist countries would fit for you
Yes, and I think she is very temporary from what I read. No one likes her, but she likes herself !
I'll say this a very small majority want a republic it won't happen in jacindas time it won't happen in our time.
After seeing what can happen with an 'elected' president - won't mention any names but he's American - I'm happy to stick with a constitutional monarchy.
As if kings have a better track record
@@faissal3055True.
I should have added the caveat 'so long as they behave''.
Still - the last time a British monarch refused to sign into law a bill presented to him by Parliament was in 1708.
Trump refused to sign one presented to him by Congress in 2020.
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Presidents tend to use the apparatus of state against their opponents. The FBI in the USA for example. With a monarch there isn't that problem because they are head of state until they die or decide to abdicate.
New Zealander here:
What the hell did I just wake up to?
Hopefully you've woke up to your prime minister is a mtf drag queen, 2 men in this video.
Nothing lol this WEFtist is just glitching again. She off to Black Rock no doubt, when she swings by the UN in New York tomorrow.
American here, you're a heavy sleeper
Scottish Man here, get the feck out of the commonwealth and become a modern parliamentary republic 👉👉👉
@@nerjadude Gibraltar calling, ignore old Jock above. Republicanism isn’t the way.
is she a fool? what benefit will New Zealand have being republic? Don't fix what's not broken
Yes she is a fool, no one in nz likes her 🤣
They will save on saliva wasted on royal bootlicking
London bridge has fallen, so it won't be too far away for NZ becoming republic, I'll say, and it should really be sovereign as a Nation based on real constitution not "New Constitution" but diverting back to the original constitution, just like USA. We would be following under USA state of Law of Republic, instead of British Monarchy as a commonwealth Nation. It will happen whether you'll like or not. Mark my words! When it happens, she won't be in power by then.
she did not say that at all
If NZ were a republic while she were prime minister, she would spend more time doing the Queen's job (representing, talking to other representatives) and less time doing the job she is supposed to be doing....
I would be surprised if we did. I think maoridom would oppose because of treaty of Waitangi.Still a lot of royalists here.
Agreed, the Waitangi treaty would need renegotiating. It’s not trivial for NZ to career towards republicanism for good reasons. Australia should take notes and look after their First Nation people before suing for republicanism.
@@leakifolog - if you follow Australian politics then you would know that a referendum on a constitution voice to parliament for First Nations people is on the governments agenda for this term. There is no current talk of a referendum on a republic - it is firmly a second priority to constitutional recognition and treaty.
Lots of people also see the Monarchy as anachronistic. It is time to acknowledge that Aotearoa is a diverse country in which the Head of State should no longer a British person whose real value is propping up British tourism.
@@simonromijn1912 if people try to remove monarchy in the UK then i for one will do my bit to hurt or kill who ever tries it
If we were to become a republic, the treaty of Waitangi or its foundations and consideration for Maori would be included in any new constitution anyway. Changing to a republic doesnt mean existing and historic rights of Maori will be extinguished, simply that we will move away from a constitutional monarch. Either way, having a monarchy is symbolic and useless
No thank you Jacinda. I do not want NZ to be a republic. AT ALL. Long live the King! 🇳🇿
She got no choice in the end the day. London bridge has fallen, so it won't be too far away for NZ becoming republic, I'll say, and it should really be sovereign as a Nation based on real constitution not "New Constitution" but diverting back to the original constitution, just like USA. We would be following under USA state of Law of Republic, instead of British Monarchy as a commonwealth Nation. It will happen whether you'll like or not. Mark my words! When it happens, she won't be in power by then.
@@srikandiwarion1422 How sad for you.
I don't really care about the monarchy as a kiwi. But it does fulfill a couple of good purposes. 1: It keeps us from centralising power because we have a neutered head of state. 2: It concretes our alliances.
I don't see a reason to get rid of it for as long as it does something beneficial.
I'd rather be free.
@@amalalnckamsk6939 you are free. Are you chained ??
@@amalalnckamsk6939 You are already free.
@@goldfish2379Freedom from imperial rule
@@section5760 If you can't elect of your head of state, and they're not accountable to a democratic electorate, you're not free bud.
Damn I've been conditioned... now every time I see her I cannot avoid thinking she will start singing and flying with an umbrella... or talking to the handle.
You can safely assume that when she speaks at least one thing will be a lie. 😲😁
She said lockdowns were until people could get vaxed. Well there was no vax for over 1 year, so that's a lie.
She has lost all ability to be genuine since she signed up for Agenda 2030 that's all she's been focused on. It's very sad.
As a New Zealander I am appalled at Jacinda Ardern. Imagine if she was New Zealands head of state 😳 frightening. The best part of having a monarch as head of state is that politicians are held accountable by someone who doesn't strive for power but is born into it and is trained to be unbiased, think on the longest term rather than just keeping themselves in power. And are based in service. A founding that politicians never have. Jacinda is the perfect example. She has bankrupted our economy, has fractured relationships within New Zealand between many New Zealanders and cares more about her overseas exposure and 'fame' as a jumping board for a UN job than actual New Zealanders living in the country.
This stupid woman does not reflect my wishes... she needs to go... back to her ancestral lands and remain there and leave New Zealand alone!
Well said, Kia ora!
@Bell Olli I know that. I don't think it makes a difference. Its about mental accountability. There was a study I read years ago that compared stability, and levels of corruption in countries that had monarchs as head of state vs politicians. It was extreemely clear that even though monarchs do not have direct power in systems like New Zealand there is more stability and less corruption overall. Not none, but more stability, less corruption.
You literally have no idea how a Republic works
@@bartymurns I am generalising so I guess you are right. But if you do not see the NZ economy in a dire state because of her crazy spending then I am shocked. Honestly though, If you think I am seriously missing something, please do explain, I would genuinely be interested.
Well it wont happen in my lifetime; thank goodness and I'm a New Zealander - God bless the Queen and God Save the King!!
Fantastic thanks
It won’t happen in your lifetime because Jacinda Ardern would definitely outlive you. GOD SAVE THE PEOPLE!
Thank goodness as an American I'm not part of your f****** b******* ass monarchy better rate these country with black and brown people took their jewelry and all this other s*** not to mention the brutal crack down in Kenya immediately after Elizabeth got sworn in and she didn't say s*** about it or try to stop it because British colonial governors are brutal when it come and keeping the natives in line so God do not bless your queen now departed and God do not bless your king you piece of monarchy ass s*** that's what I think
@@charlesneely you dumb ... its a constitutional monarchy ( look it up ... moron ) where the monarchy has NO power you simpleton LOL what a moron - did you go to school ?
There are some former British colonies which are Republics and within the Commonwealth,the ties with the U.K. is something that is cherished.There are always people with differing opinions,nothing is wrong with that view.
@@Josh-vc8lr both of those places would want to come back under British rule
@@briandelaney9710 😅 back under English rule ? Because your union is not long for this world 🥳🥳🥳🥳
Give Maori people work king or queen delete Governor General delete monarchy Great Britain go
@@christianamary1540 your opinion,nothing is wrong with that,my opinion is I like the discipline and civility of the REAL British,we can't change HISTORY and I am not responsible for the mistakes my ancestors made.We learn from HISTORY and we can see the mistakes and atrocities are still happening today in different countries.In 200 years from now,who is going to apologise for present day mistakes.Present day will be HISTORY.
@@Josh-vc8lr I hate the present narrative of apologise, apologise.To those of that narrative,I say, apologise, my ass.
Not if William becomes King, him and Kate are too popular here in NZ
And a lot more popular than Ardern
he will be after charles.. little George after him..
She's a pilick
Yep you are not that bright Sheep.
Hope not, we new Zealand have bigger problems to fix. Don't need another new flag F up.
They have her FREE well Ok we give you $20 if you take HER PLZ
That was the Nats John key. PM Jacinda Ardern is not proposing to make NZ a republic. That will be up to the people in the future, all she is saying is that she wouldn't be surprised if NZ becomes a republic during her lifetime, she is not saying she will be the one to do it.
@@louiethered479 she doesn't need to state it as such and she won't because the key is in the snippets of truth she's actually alluding to. She's got a degree in communications, particularly public relations so she knows what to say and what not to say to appease her boss. She's foreshadowing, we already know her ties to wef. It's all part of their plan to sell us out to China.
@@piricarroll Rubbish. You're just making it up, putting words into her mouth she did not say.
As a 🥝.., I think it will be a major mistake to leave the commonwealth..
Its time you upgrade yourselves to citizens from subjects
@@Ducktility
Lol but if lack of knowledge there mate😂👍
Hell no! London bridge has fallen, so it won't be too far away for NZ becoming republic, I'll say, and it should really be sovereign as a Nation based on real constitution not "New Constitution" but diverting back to the original constitution, just like USA. We would be following under USA state of Law of Republic, instead of British Monarchy as a commonwealth Nation. It will happen whether you'll like or not. Mark my words! When it happens, she won't be in power by then.
@@Ducktility
Mate ya gotta tell me.. why do people who clearly don’t have an understanding of the situation… can’t resist the urge to comment….
Something happens.. boom “I’ve got an opinion on that”
Ffs last few years been f wits commenting on virology..😂👍
@@srikandiwarion1422
No one like the britishererera eh😂
NZ is a very problematic place at the moment. It’s a very small country that is deeply nepotistic. Many people feel this nepotism has been fostered under guise of ‘empathy’ and ‘identity’ and this has caused huge problems.
What? "Nepotistic"? How?
How is NZ nepotistic?
@@boutek Considering what is happening in NZ around Maori and reverse racism, un-elected Maori assigned to City Council seats, Maori only Health board, every government department being renamed in Maori, I would be very weary of NZ becoming a republic, we are on a very slippery slope already and I don't want to see NZ become another Zimbabwe.
@@Battleneter the driving force behind Rhodesia becoming Zimbabwe was idiots like you the complete unwillingness to negotiate from a position of strength became the reason for why no one was willing to compromise with Rhodesia - Zimbabwe thus resulting in the internal settlement being rejected resulting in modern Zimbabwe.
@@Battleneter Well, this isn't what I imagine NZ to be like. I don't live there but my gf is from Auckland and she never mentioned Mugabe style governing and white people suffering under themselves.
She tells Lies !!!! She tell lies!!
The biggest lie is hes a she
As a Canadian I'm grateful and proud to have monarchy in Canada. I like the fact that we have a shared monarch with New Zealand and the other Realms. I also value having a non political Head of State who's role is to ensure that there is a legitimate PM to lead a government that needs to act within the bounds of the constitution. Since the time of Queen Victoria (and arguably since George III) Canada and New Zealand have had dedicated Monarchs who put their duty first, they serve. Looking south to the great Republic to our southern boarder during the last election, I didn't see politicians putting their country first. I saw violence, selfishness, greed, and anger. I also sensed genuine instability if President Trump wanted to use his power of Commander in Chief to prevent the peaceful transfer of power. My view is that our Realms deserve better - and that we have a better system of Government. Hopefully CANZUK can move forward - as I would be very excited to grow the relations between our nations.
I am sorry non political?? Queen Elizabeth interfered regularly with laws especially for her predator son
Our relationship with the monarchy kinda defined us as Canadians as oppose to been americans....those darn rebels ahahahahah. But yes, having a monarchy does dissuade from cult of personality developing around politician. I don't see any of us fawning over our prime ministers.
CANZUK is the way forward.
Well said
Yes. One seldom-mentioned advantage of a monarchy is that provided a constitutional monarch can earn the respect and reasonable allegiance of the majority of the population, he or she can prevent a prime minister granting himself a lifetime dictatorship. That is a valuable safeguard.
A shame as we are all part of the same family and many of us in England would miss you
We arnt going anywhere! NZ do not want this.
NZ can remain in the commonwealth and our bilateral agreements would still stand. Just that our constitutional arrangements would actually reflect the country.
They ran a vote on this before and it failed many in NZ loved the Queen its a shame we get represented on the world stage by Ardern
As a UK citizen, I would really miss NZ as part of the commonwealth. Your family!
no appetite for a republic from significant majority of kiwis.
As a New Zealander, we should stick with the monarchy, long live the king! No advantage in being a republic, our country is tiny, we have great ties with the United Kingdom.
They abandoned us when they joined the EU back in the day. They don't allow us British citizenship. We already trade with them and are in the commonwealth games. Many countries with independence are still in the games. What do we really gain from this archaic tradition? We just don't need a Monarch.
Australia will become republic
@@Drannn54 Good luck with that, for China🇨🇳 will benefit it, if Australia🇦🇺 considers the plan of ditching the monarchy, much how it was done Barbados🇧🇧 in ditching the monarchy and become a republic.
Also, China be condemned.
@@ajpat9620 What's wrong with Barbados? Are you on drugs?
@@Drannn54 Like, anyone are assuming that Barbados could fall into poverty if their government is a mess and economy falling, like Haiti.
P.S. - I don't do drugs and that accusation is wrong and absurd.
I think the Kiwi public may have a huge say in that! China looms as a large threat! Ardern lives in a dream world, one without reality!
That might be her wish and she is working very hard to make it so, but there is a large proportion of the population who disagree. That includes a lot of the tribes who signed a treaty with the Crown. She has written principles of the treaty into legislation she has enacted. The tribes however have signed UNDRIP which was ratified by the government which could lead to tribes governing alone.
She has done a great job in dividing our nation in the guise of unity. It doesn't matter what the people say - she will go ahead with the agenda set before her no matter what. I hope more people of NZ wake up to what is going on - it is heartbreaking.
Totally agree. She doesn’t speak for us, she’s not so smart
You won’t prevent a pandemic like you did. You didn’t do anything other than kill people and the economy
NZ is totally blessed to have Ms. Ardern as a leader. Based on history, her efforts to make the country a Republic are extremely important, because that form of governance has been shown to promote better democracy, improved economic conditions and a generally improved quality of life for the greater majority. This isn't hypothetical, it's well established. However, history has also shown that major improvements in governing, i.e., transitioning from authoritarian to a democracy are always met with strong resistance from the Far Right and the less educated so her work is just beginning.
@@jlvandat69if republics are so great then why are the most democratic countries in the world monarchies?
I have to pull out the barf bucket every time I see or hear her voice !
Can’t imagine why NZ becoming a republic is so important. Not like it’s somehow not an independent country. Always thought it was admirable how NZ, Australia and Canada, along with others, maintained that tie to the UK. While some similar countries in the Caribbean may cut that tie in the years to come, it’s not a surprise. Their relationship to the UK was more complicated and there are still grievances. Don’t think the same holds for NZ/AU/CA. Now that the UK left the EU there is an opportunity to forge a closer bond and not be so dependent on the US.
Mainly because it's complete nonsense having your head of state an unelected monarch who resides thousands of miles away
TPPA
@@alancawfield6549 Exactly
@@alancawfield6549 you would prefer a King Donald Trump? Who wants to leave NATO?
@@alancawfield6549 We have King Charles and Prince William. The Americans have Joe Biden and Hunter Biden.
Ardern has a nasty habit of making such statements whilst away from New Zealand. She is a trained spin doctor and will deny she made any such statements when she returns home. Her party’s popularity is in free fall so anything.. including changing her hairstyle.. is an effort to keep her front of mind to the NZ electorate. My main concern right now is that she chose the eve of QEII’s funeral to utter such rubbish. NZ will still recognise the Monarch as head of state in a century from now. God save the King.
She is wearing it up, next step cut it short, next step she is sitting beside Helen Clarke at the UN ruling NZ in the shadows from her chair in New York just like Helen was in the early days of 2017 when Jacinda was first elected.
I totally agree with you, I noticed the hairstyle too, she's so fake..I think in NZ we're all pretty much "over her!!"
She was asked by the host. Was she supposed to lie about her opinion?
I agree with you
Nor it, she was here to represent New Zealand not to tout for a republic. Inappropriate time and place.
Not sure Mrs Adern represents the true feeling of the nation, why is she getting airtime when she personally, vehemently opposes the monarchy.
Because she is the current of the NZ pm although I hear you
Because she is right! With immigration not coming from the UK as much any more ................ the monarchy becomes less relevant in NZ, Canada and Australia!
aaah maybe because she’s the prime minister? Stupidest comment of the day goes to you 😂 👏
Because she's always on our f'n tv, during covid she was literally on it an hour a day 6 days a week like a loony. The other day she was dressed up in some wearable arts clothes being a model on the runway the other day I don't know if she actually does a job properly. Shes been on our tv more than any other prime minister. If it's not that she's banning rubbish lol first it was plastic bags in which they still have plastic bags just with writing on them saying reuse me, people used to reuse and return the ones she banned, so not really banning plastic bags, then it was vegetable wrapping banning but still they had plastic bags for collecting veges so not really banned and last week it was a ban on takeaway containers, the takeaway shops had no clue it was totally disorganized, no warning and so they're like how are we supposed to sell our food with no containers when they are all sold out at the wholesalers, once again putting businesses in a really risky situation because then how do they sell their goods and make money. Like how much praise can one give themselves for banning individual rubbish items that could be solved once with implemented soft plastic recycling systems but instead choose to spend 360 million on television station merging which she loves being on, she's amazingly a terrible prime minister. Anything she wants to do, I can guarantee, the opposite is the best idea.
@@noelgenoway9360 be careful what you wish for, us colonials will all come back to our indigenous lands lol 😇
For New Zealand to become a republic, that would mean the end of The Treaty of Waitangi as that was a treaty between the Maori and The Crown.
Don't think so. The Treaty of Waitangi as been intrinsic to the relationship between white immigrants and the indigenous Maori for 120 years.
@Sanctus Paulus 1962 I love that like your username, you havn't had an accurate update on your historical information since the 1960's either.
@Sanctus Paulus 1962 that isn't true not a single historian agrees but sure believe your racist conspiracism
@@MohammedAli-hl4mr the moriori were indigenous to Chatham island before being slaughtered, that may be what he is referring to.
@@shanyewest958 even still the moroiroi were a sub grouping that branched of from the other maori
I do not understand why the British feel so right to leave the EU but those same people feel offended by countries that want to leave the commonwealth???
So true!!
Not all of us you're more then welcome to do one
100
Only managed 2.5 minutes…Politicians …. The art of talking without saying anything…..
Your soul is rotten and black
Or without directly answering the question !!
Jacinda does not represent the majority of NZ 👎🏾
Jafa here, I agree with your comment!
I wouldn’t underestimate the importance of the relationship of Maori with ‘Queen Victoria and her successors’. ‘The Crown’ is not just some ephemeral synonym for ‘the government’. It is clear in the Treaty of Waitangi that that relationship is both specific and personal.
Whilst a Republican leaning Kiwi myself, I still see value both in the constitutional arrangement and the relationship. I also think that it is vital that the Māori perspective is front and centre in any debate we have. The gains of the last three decades are far too critical to imperil and the realities of a Republican government when we have no written Constitution require a lot of consideration. We are a long way from a solution to that and while the former PM, Sir Geoffrey Palmer has his draft, I am more than cautious about his ivory tower experimentation. He is infamous amongst officials for declaring that the inclusion of reference to the Treaty of Waitangi in State Sector legislation was essentially meaningless in law. It proved to be otherwise.
She's probably right though, the reality is that in this era NZ has very little to gain from being linked to the UK. Economicly NZ seems to be in a far better position than the UK. Per capita kiwis earn more than in the UK. These days on the world stage, the UK is very much thought of as a dieing empire of which it's citizens are clinched to the memory of.
One would hope that future NZ has the capacity and sense to declare itself a republic, claim the 2 million hectares of crown land it's own, and form a constitution where by all NZ citizens have equal opportunity within their country.
@@AntonioGarcia-zr9uc Bruh, we couldn't even make a real constitution hahaha. Wishful thinking.
Nz are weak lmao
Agree fully with you: but....two further points, the Treaty of Waitangi was never ratified (which is kinda Palmers point in law) and Queen Elizabeth in seven decades never did a single thing in advancing a ratification or re-ratification in her own name. Bluntly, Victoria never sign her assent and the Houses of Parliament never sent it to her. As Māori I feel adamant that the Treaty must be forefront of any constitution, but that will come from a new generation of rangitahi.
@@LaughableSynonyms I shudder at the idea of our current politicians having anything to do with forming something like a constitution.
if we became a republic we’d be so cringe
Why?
No you wouldn't be the laughing stock of the world, just a suck hole colony and the world knows it.
You'll be ok you're just a tiny country who know body bothers or even thinks of
If you want a course in deflecting from questions in parliament question time, meet Jacinta Ardern and Justin Treadeau.
As one resident of Charleston said just prior to the Civil War, “South Carolina is too small for a republic, and too large for an insane asylum.”
She is probably right though 🤷♂️ NZ has become very unlinked to the UK from an economy perspective and realistically gains very little from being linked to it in any way... it's only natural that the public observe distinction and move in the direction of a republic...
@@AntonioGarcia-zr9uc agreed
@@AntonioGarcia-zr9uc New Zealand is an independent country, but it's going to be subjected to foreign influence of the US and China regardless of what it decides on the commonwealth.
At least the British Monarchy is willing to listen to popular opinion. The US is only interested in its business and foreign interest, and so is China.
It's good to be independent, but outside of a larger organization like the EU, an alliance with the British Commonwealth, or Pacific Democracies, a NZ Republic will be dominated.
@@ritemolawbks8012
Americans are moving to Isolationism again. Americans are ending trade relations with China. The only American interest in NZ is tourism by Rich people.
@@bvkronenberg6786 That's neither US foreign policy nor remotely close to being true, but if it helps you feel better making random statements, then that's your right.
What great thing would potentially leaving the commonwealth and/or becoming a republic achieve for any member nation? What does becoming a republic do for a nation or its people that it cannot do already? Or is it just pure optics?
I believe it’s pure optics
For citizens of poorer countries, you get scholarships (ie wealth that was stolen from your ancestors)
You do realise 80% of the Commonwealth are Republics right? Becoming a republic doesn’t mean leaving the Commonwealth.
Not what becoming a republic would entail. Being a member of the commonwealth and having the king as head of state are not the same thing. Removing the king as head of state, i.e becoming a republic, wouldn't make NZ leave the commonwealth. Countries like South Africa and India are in the commonwealth and are republics for instance.
@@NyanyiC it wasn’t stolen it was conquered. Just like every other piece of land on this earth except for the poles. The same thing happened in England, you don’t hear the English asking for anything from the Scandinavia country’s for when they pillaged and murdered the English country side then took the crown. This world is never going to move forward until people put the past behind them. I’m a marionette Lebanese, my great grandfather was worked to death by an Turkish prince because they needed his mule. My family had to pay taxes just to practice our religion for close to a millennia. No one owes me anything. If we can’t move past the past how are we going to create a better future? The world was a shitty place for a long time, most of its existence. But to truly make this world a better place every one needs to just get over the past treat each other with respect and stop holding grudges. This life is what you make it.
The headline is misleading, The word "says" indicates present time. This was a past remark in days gone by. Jacinda they are out to get you.
Days gone by? What the hell 2 days ago! If NZ was to go to a republic don't you think that's something the general public should have a say in? Or does Jacinda know best for all of us?
Statements like that show an arrogant attitude to democracy and a severe attitude towards a dictatorship.
As a Canadian I don't really care about the Monarchy either. Seeing this outpouring of love from the Monarchy from fellow Canadians shows many people still do, though.
No one is happy with Trudeau from what I read.
This is just what Jacinda Ardern wants so she is saying it will happen. In reality New Zealanders have mixed feelings about this and there's no real drive to change the status quo.
But she "speaks for New Zealand". Did you get that? A PM with 30% approval ratings thinks she still "speaks for New Zealand". Okay.
@@warwoods agreed she has done nothing but smile for the camera and look
ernest but it's all empty words
Very much against this
that's because you are just a suck hole.
Wot a disgrace! Im a new Zealander and she doesn't speak for me!! She is a prime minister on her way out... she is very outa touch of the people of new Zealand!
How is the two tier society going Jacinda ??
Its still broken! Taking away all the restrictions and mandates is not even a band aide..
Not sure why you would travel to the funeral of your monarch and then start spruiking your becoming a republic before she is even in the ground. You just can't take the politics out of a politician - lol.
Then why send invitation?
She was asked
Kiwi here. Thanks for everything Britain, we were a young country but we’re ready now to stand on our own two feet. The King is well loved but in my opinion there’s no practical sense to having your ruler living 15,000km away. It’ll happen at some point, just a matter of when
If nz got attacked then it would be prudent to have the back of the UK 🇬🇧
@@richlee509 since 1840 no country has battled with New Zealand. All I can think of is France and the rainbow warrior, but other than that all Kiwi deaths in international conflict have been from fighting for Britain. I see it as being the other way round
@@Stopanimalabuse34 relevant to the video though isn’t it?
A little crass isn't it discussing this before the Queen has even had a funeral?
But if it has to be discussed its completely pointless move. No new freedoms or increase in democracy will come about. A President would fill quite literally the same role as a Monarch however instead of a truly neutral figure you instead of a politician elected from a party that will further divisions in the country. It's nothing more than a symbolic gesture that would have a real affect in degrading people's feeling of the position.
But if New Zealanders want that then that is on them though I don't think it's as inevitable as Jacinda Ardern tries to paint it. As long as they vote that in a referendum and not an election where a political party slip it into their manifesto as a backwards way of getting what they want.
Within NZ we are not suggesting getting a president. The largest republican movement merely calls from the codification of a constitution and the granting of check powers to the governor-general. The suggestion being that the governor-general has super majority support in parliament.
Guess what - Jacinda doesn't speak for the rest of us!
You know what? I'm a republican but I'd happily keep the monarchy if NZ could ditch Ardern.
She is so bloody nice.
And doesn't mean it.
Yea. Commonwealth is in the bin now. Even Scotland leaving
@@babblo1389 hopefully. 🏴
@@babblo1389 no we aren't!!
@@jmcc2275 in yer dreams
Jacinda, the Queen of Spin.
She rehearsed all her lines prior, a fake.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
This woman is so far left it cannot be ignored.
She let NZ down didn't do what she promised and ran away from her position of prime minister.Nothing she says hapoens so dont hold your breath
For all those countries demanding apologies, will THEY ever admit to their history, the one with slavery, genocide and tribal murders, we ALL have a history, pretty sure my working class ancestors didn't have slaves or even servants so please can we ALL admit history was bad and get on with improving the future?
There's a balance to be had, when we were colonised by the Romans they did bad things but on balance it was of benefit. What did the British ever do for us?
@@sebastianguerre6868 is this supposed to be a monty python reference?
When a politician says he wants to abolish the Monarchy, what he really wants is to have in his hands a power that belongs to the King, but a politician never has the same sense of responsibility as a Monarch.
King has no power. Zilch, zero.
Not that smart are you.
@@avocado4662 he has power he Just doesn't use it
Whoever's reading this, i pray that whatever you're going through gets better and whatever you're struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine and that everyone has a fantastic day! Amen
Same to you
Prince Andrew says thank you
Jacinda demonstrating her integrity and how to respond calmly, respectfully and with intelligence despite the reporters questions and manner of questioning! 😅
She has no integrity. She has sold out the people of nz. She got rich out of the Covid pandemic.
She mentions Maori being indigenous New Zealanders.....they arent...She even compared herself to the Queen at one point...Did you even listen to her?
Integrity? You obviously know nothing of the NZ political climate.
She has absolutely no integrity
Our government in New Zealand can’t organise a piss up in a brewery.
It,s a long standing tradition.
@@grandaddyc Mostly filled with Labour Governments, should add. There have only been 2-3 National governments in the last 20 years. The rest, like our budget, is firmly in the red.
@@asiatravel2010 Communist red. She is a bigtime idol of Xi jin Ping.
All I know is that I love visiting NZ , not sure I would live there... but its an amazing country to travel around.... don't know if becoming a Republic would make much difference tbh
I would live in NZ.
@@beast6029 it is insanely overrated
@@beast6029 nz is where you go to run away from your problems
@@Stinkmeaner420 ik
@@MJ-qb5ph Lol. Not as overrated as America and most of Europe. Also, NZ is one of the most beautiful looking countries on the planet.
I suspect that Canada will keep the monarchy for a while longer, as the institution is a constitutional safeguard against an overtly strong president. I'm not a monarchist, but I'm not keen for our country to have an American-styled form of republicanism either.
Canadian here too. Although I want us to stay a monarchy, becoming a republic would not change abything. Just the title of the figurehead at the top. From GG to President of the Federation. We would still keep the Westminster parliamentary system.
The Republic of Ireland has had an elected Head of State for years.You don’t have to have a presidential leader.Mary Robinson was apolitical,yet had worldwide respect.
Don't want be like YANKS do you look that EVIL SHIT HOLE
Yep Canada are full of suck holes.
The American system isn't the only model of a Republic
The pm of NZ makes me sick🤮 she has run this country into the ground. An for Clarke he is the highest paid person on the benefit fishing shows, house moving shows and now holidays on us tax paying sucker's 🤦🏼♂️that lady needs to focus of getting this country back up and running like it was before she got in!! She has made millions an millions sense being pm and the people that are working are saving peanuts!! You make me sick lady!!🤮
"Get it back to way it was before she got it.." you make me laugh 🤣🤣🤣
@@csaw200 what's funny about it?
@@csaw200 food was cheaper same with rent, we didn't have as many criminals? She gave people in jail the right to vote an then took away rights from honest people who handed there guns in an that made a black market for guns!!
@@brynlyhunwick1862 it's never going to happen. And if you think Labour and Jacinda can do it, your Dreamin Mate, vote for Socialists you get results like what we have here in New Zealand, their idea of Utopia.
@@csaw200 you said it! I no Cindy can't get this country back, she is the one who run the country into the ground 🤣🤣 that's why she needs to go!
What gives her the right to say that New Zealand will become a Republic? It's not her choice! It's up to the people of New Zealand. She's on her last legs as Prime Minister and will most likely be voted out next year and good riddance to her?
Spot she thinks she is Hilter
You are a sheep.
Reminds me of the Aliens movie where the second set of teeth come at you.
Jacinda is getting a surveillance system built by China's military installed for AI security in NZ. This means that China will have full access to it.
The King's Guard mounted had a hard time keeping Jacinda Ardern from the feedbags meant for their horses.....
What a pathetic childish comment!
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NZ a republic, that’s Jacinda’s course, not necessarily the NZ public. It might be a dream of yours, maybe not ours.
she said the complete opposite
wasn't it National party call to go Republic, they tried to change the flag and iit flopped.
The questions are so easy and nice - if this was Donald Trump.. the questions would be much harder and attacking
Hoss chops does not deserve any affiliation with the UK.. but what really matters is what the people of NZ want
Republics>>>>>Monarchy
Been living alone for long ? I wonder why.
@@mikehutchison4892 who me??.. LOL.. i would love the chance to be left alone
shows what you know
Alot of kiwis don't agree with her and just want to pay respect,she has a big mouth and should be voted out
exactly!
How tacky of her to talk about republicanism at this moment
That's what you get from an ex waitress/DJ/ socialist
she was asked
What will become of the Treaty if the Crown is no more in the political formula? Republic is not a solution to the problems we currently have.
There is little coercion from the crown and it,s been that way for a coupe of generations. We are our own dog. The question is to me irrelevant, except perhaps the devil you know is better than the one you dont.
I have such great respect for NZ as a dual citizen of Canada and the UK. The Commonwealth is greatly under appreciated and a valuable asset. We would be well served to strengthen the bond. Our nations development is not hindered with a shared head of state.
I agree. People want to become republics just for this symbolism of being “independent” but really it gains you nothing and just gives you a worse political system
You guys should look into CANZUK
It gives you a better political system. You can’t just arbitrarily denigrate systems of government like that, you have to back it up. The most successful country for the past century+ has been a republic! You’re on a republic’s technology!
There was no morality attached to British Imperialism. That's the first fact we must accept. None the less, the blending of cultures via Imperialism, did create new cultures where the best of the colonialist and the colony grew into a new country. It took me a very long time to understand this. Sadly not all British colonies were as successful in standing strong and steadfast and maintaining their cultural identity, as the NZ Maori. Why ? We fought long and hard, until the Brits finally gave us a Treaty. Treaties don't come easily. You have to fight for your right to exist. The Aboriginal people of Australia never experienced that privilige. This is a complex issue. I think the NZ PM is correct. I love the Monarchy in England. And hope it remains in the sceptered isle until the end of time. Each country is different. Each has it's own identity. Our legacy as children of British Imperialism, is the English language. I love my language, and I am most grateful.
SOUL'S JOURNEY AFTER DEATH
Al-Bara’ ibn ‘Azib reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, when the believer is ready to depart the world and is facing the Hereafter, angels from heaven descend with bright faces, as if their faces were the sun, with them are the shrouds and perfumes of Paradise, until they sit from him a distance as far as the eye can see. Then, the angel of death, upon him be peace, comes until he sits by his head and he says: O pure soul, come out to the forgiveness of Allah and His pleasure! He takes it out like a drop from a water-skin and holds it, never to leave his hand for the blink of an eye until he places it in that shroud and perfume. The scent coming from it is more pleasant than any musk you would find on the face of the earth. He ascends and passes by no gathering of angels but that they say: What a pure spirit! They say he is this person, son of this person, calling him by the best names by which he was known in the world, until he stops at the lowest heaven and seeks entry and it will be opened for him. The company of each heaven bring him closer to the heaven following it until he stops at the seventh heaven. Allah Almighty will say: Write the record of My servant in the righteous register and return him to the earth, for from it I created them, to it I return them, and from it I will take them out once again. His spirit will be returned to his body and two angels will come to sit by him, saying to him: Who is your Lord? He will say: My Lord is Allah. They will say: What is your religion? He will say: My religion is Islam. They will say: Who is this man sent you? He will say: He is the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him. They will say: How did you know? He will say: I read the Book of Allah, had faith in it, and believed in it. A heavenly announcement will be made: My servant has spoken the truth! Spread out carpets for him in Paradise, clothe him for Paradise, and open a gate for him to Paradise! Its comforts and fragrances will come to him and his grave will become spacious as far as his eye can see. A handsome man, with fine clothes and wonderful fragrance, will come and say: Glad tidings of what pleases you, for this was your Day you were promised! He will say: Who are you with such a handsome face? He will say: I am your righteous deeds! He will say: O Lord, begin the Hour that I may return to my family and property!”
The Prophet continued, “Verily, when the unbeliever is ready to depart the world and is facing the Hereafter, angels descend from heaven with darkened faces and with them sack-cloth. They will sit away from his as far as the eye can see. Then, the angel of death approaches until he sits by his head and he says: O filthy soul, come out to the displeasure of Allah and His wrath! He will be separated from his body like the tearing of skewers from wet wool and he holds it in his hand, never to leave it for the blink of an eye, until he places it in this sack-cloth. The scent coming from it is like the most foul corpse found upon the face of the earth. They will ascend with him and not pass by a gathering of angels but that they say: What a filthy spirit! They say he is this person, son of this person, calling him by the ugliest names by which he was known in the world, until he stops at the lowest heaven. They will request it to be opened for him but it will not open.” Then, the Prophet recited the verse, “The gates of heaven will never open for them, nor will they enter Paradise, until the camel goes through the eye of the needle,” (7:40). The Prophet said, “Allah Almighty will say: Write his record in the wicked register in the lowest earth. His spirit will be thrown down,” then the Prophet recited the verse, “It is as though he had fallen from the sky and was snatched by the birds or the wind carried him down into a remote place,” (22:31). The Prophet said, “His spirit will return to his body and two angels will come to sit by him, saying to him: Who is your Lord? He will say: Uh, uh, I do not know! They will say: What is your religion? He will say: Uh, uh, I do not know! They will say: Who is this man sent to you? He will say: Uh, uh, I do not know! A heavenly announcement will be made: He has lied! Spread carpets for him in Hellfire and open a gate for him to Hellfire! Its heat and its flames will approach him, and he will be squeezed in his grave until his ribs press together. An ugly man, with hideous clothing and a foul stench, will approach him and say: Glad tidings of what despairs you, for this is your Day you were promised! He will say: Who are with your evil face? He will say: I am your wicked deeds! He will say: O Lord, do not begin the Hour!”
Source: Musnad Aḥmad 18534
Sick of these fake “truths” about colonization when the fact is, without colonization New Zealand would still be an island of savages. Colonization brought democracy and morality about a thousand years sooner, sparing untold suffering.
Given that the Maori are NOT the aboriginal people in New Zealand, I don’t see any moral high ground. They conquered others than got conquered by the Brits.
The Maoris were only there for 200 years before the white man arrived. They had brutally butchered (and often eaten) the previous inhabitants, just as they did the newly arrived white man. Isn't it a good thing that people of European descent don't do that to new arrivals?
@@johnschuh8616 You're right, because Tangata Whenua were the first inhabitants of this country.
If NZ does become a republic it will cause absolute havoc with the Māori, I doubt it ever will there would have to be overwhelming public support (60+ in agreement) and there simply isn’t.
Why would if cause havoc with them?
@@Joe-og6br because the monarchy is overwhelmingly supported by the native New Zealanders and the latest polls show the majority of non native New Zealanders support the monarch. Plus the treaty was officially enforced by the crown and it is the glue keeping it together.
@@Joe-og6br Why would it cause havoc with them you ask...How does a Republic work?....Maori represent 17% of the population in New Zealand max...Kiss goodbye to any leverage they currently enjoy all it takes is one election and your done.
WEFtists thrive on absolute havoc....she will pick up Klaus Schwabs new orders at the UN, whizzzz home, and implement them.
what are benefits of being a banana republic?
Adern has lost touch with kiwis.....New Zealand will never become a Republic in her life time. Respect for the monarchy runs too deeo thanks to the efforts of our late Queen. A Queen who served the people...... Something we wish from our politicians but know its a standard they will never live up too
That's for sure. I think she likes China too much. And the wearing of the head scarf when the mosque was bombed was over the top. She is a butt kisser.
If New Zealand will become a Republic, what will make this country more prosperous or vice versa, this will be the focus of any concept that will be introduced to the people in the next leadership for a better future that the point.
@ Brown Capri: Why do you think declaring a republic would make New Zealand more prosperous? It does not seem logical to me. But perhaps you have a comprehensible explanation.
@Gabriel Torres technically true,
Do you mean like the Republic of North Korea? Orthe Republic of China?
@@truthsupporter4119 Nah matey, non of them.
@@browncapri1996 Because that's what the World Economic Forum wants and Jacinda is a member of the World Economic Forum.
She is on her way….
She looks more and more like Olivia Colman every day.
Not one bit
She just wants more power.
The question is not becoming a Republic, but what kind of Republic? Ask her what kind of Republic she envisions?
Banana`s comes to mind.
Sychophant - a person who acts obsequiously towards someone important in order to gain advantage
Why do you say that?
She is a nice person
@@kanjanathevik5234 A nice person might have spoken highly of a facist dictator for the same reasons. Such gushing is not out of choice, it comes from the pressure of expectation. And it is this pressure to fawn over and adorn with admiration and respect that seves to constantly reinforce the power structure that is monarchy, the same system of empire that oppressed and exploited remains today.
gosh Jacinda looks like a young princess Anne here
Yeah, she sounds like sweet soul.
Her smile is elegant
Get out of her Stink Teke you simpering folk
She FAKE. It's meaningless words there is no substance to this woman
i suppose anne is a man as well
People talk about Republic's in both New Zealand and Australia and I guess the people have a choice. But not all change is a good thing and while the people may change the head of state from Monarch to President. It won't take long before more and more power will be consecrated with the President. It will start off slow with the "President" as merely a Ceremonial figure, but it would only take one incident "where the President had to act" for and in the good of the nation and a precedent would be established and then its a slow but steady journey into less democracy. I could not care less about who is in the Monarchy, but I truly care about the institution. Monarchs come and go but the institution should not.
Jacinda Adern - the worse thing that happened to New Zealand...
I would almost argue that The Treaty of Waitangi was marginally worse.
@@williammewett5050 actually, I have to agree.
Many people on here saying how wonderful she is. She was responsible for the largest restriction on civil liberties and human rights in our history. Never forget that.
Scared people are easier to control. The easier you are to scare, the easier you are to control.
Exactly and she didn't let people think or have choices she controlled the news. She ruined a lot of people's lives and is running our country paying money right left and centre and who is really paying for this hard working people with 2 or 3 jobs trying to get by. Nz is a beautiful country but its in a very bad place under her leadership.
You had a good time during covid 19. Lmao
@@Drannn54 lmao??? What are you talking about? No one had a good time during the lock down. Violence at an all time high child abuse at an all time high mental health at an all time high poverty skyrocketing crime skyrocketing inflation skyrocketing drug abuse skyrocketing homelessness skyrocketing lmao wtf
@@penelopelucas4973 LIKE IN CHINA NOW
Keen for Australia to follow suit.
Yep be proud and become republic's not suck hole colony's and laughing stock of the world. I have traveled the planet we are the laughing stock.
That's not how I view Australia and I am from the UK. You are certainly not a laughing stock. We are proud that you and NZ are part of the commonwealth and don't want you to leave
I've noticed that when's there is a world event ardern dresses in a similar style to those effected. In this world event she has decided to mimic Princess Anne's look
Yep, total fraud our worst PM ever.
I thought it was an Anne Boleyn look lol so close.
It's called a democracy. Jacinda seems to forget that she lives in one
Because she doesn't. Democracy left NZ a while ago now, when the left realised that as long as they created enough unemployment and state dependency during their term, and generated enough debt and conflict just before the inevitable handover to the opposition over 2-3 governments, that they run the show. The incoming opposition party spends their entire term mopping up the mess the left have created, and are then voted out by a public that does not completely understand economics or politics. They have gone a step further this time, they have nationalised the media by stealth in the form of "publish what we say to publish and turn off the comments section if we intend this as a pre-emptive gauge prior to a law change or we pull the funding". Sounds like we have a blur between the extremes of both systems of the far right and the far left here. That does not make us a centrist country, either.
@@asiatravel2010 well said she's a piece of works with her own agenda and it's not for the care of our country that's for sure.
So that's why she got kick out 😂😂😂😂 4:43
"Come on we can be a Republic now"🐎
(Labour maori members) 🤔Treaty of Waitangi + Republic = discrimination.
Give her the 🥾
😂🤣😂😂
Omg the drivel !
Her comment about NZ becoming a Republic is last week's news...
Where have you been?
Ardern's a bit a hypocrite. Soon changed her tune when she had to speak to the King.
Did someone whisper in her ear that he can sack her?
@@Josh-vc8lr In a nutshell !
Don't forget DJ ing and waitressing, the most important prerequisites for being a PM
So for all the New Zealanders who are seeing this and saying they can’t imagine New Zealand becoming a republic. I encourage you to look at the Irish Republic. The role of her late Majesty the Queen exists there but is facilitated by the Irish president. The actual governance is done by the Irish Prime Minister (I apologize for not knowing the spelling of the Gaelic title), my point is Ireland has produced wonderful presidents who have represented the nation with the same dignity and neutrality as the queen. I specifically encourage everybody to look up Mary Robinson and Mary McAlees. Yes they had a few political opinions but they remained incredibly neutral so as not to interfere with the day today functions of the government. This is nothing to be afraid of and in modern-day New Zealand, New Zealanders should not have to recognize the authority of a foreign head of state appointed exclusively by birth. There’s something fundamentally wrong about that in the 21st-century. New Zealand and truly all commonwealth countries should be represented by a head of state that is of its people and elected by its people. The commonwealth can continue, certainly, but as a diplomatic alliance of nations, not as a modernization of empire and colonization.
@MsMissy No you should have more respect for freedom of speech, then you wouldn’t appear as I’ll mannered as you do anti-Irish, a very un-English (or New Zealand) virtue. By the way I’m American and i will say what I want because I believe in free speech I don’t need your permission.
@@antmagor As an NZer i wouldnt want some POS president like you Americans get every 4 years. Soo we have a monarch and they never visit. And its an age old defensive alliance, it just seems better that way.
And im not even sure becoming a replublic would go smoothly. NZ Maori signed a treaty with the Brittish Monarch that formed modern day NZ. What would happen next? Put the Maori king on the throne? Have a civil war?.
I prefer the current system it was agreed upon by our ancestors. And it may seem like a crap deal today. It could be worse like the Aboriginies get in Aus.
Monarchy brings stability against politicians.
Politicians don't want the best for the people.
any examples?
But unelected monarchs living off the tax payer dole do? Give me a break. Respect to the queen, not relishing in anyone’s passing, but get a grip, boot licker
@@yetidodger6650 none, it’s just one of the made-up excuses that monarchist crayon chewers use to justify their stupid, outdated system