@@bjoardarAsmonmold brainrot take. They aren’t gonna fuckup their cashcow game after rdr2 was a masterpiece. I bet there are gonna be people triggered over some banal, meaningless thing though.
I mean...yeah, pretty much. Kingdom, republic, sort-of republic, empire, kingdom, republic, empire, republic, republic. God knows what's next. Come to think of it, does anyone have a spare Bonaparte? Third time's the charm, right?
As somebody who lives in one of these polarized countries, I'm still amazed how one political figure, like De Gaulle, could restructure the entire political system. Today we barely have any majority for anything.
De Gaulle took over in a military coup in effect and although he had a lot of popularity, a lot of people voted for the fifth Republic, also to prevent something even worse happening, i.e the French army taking over directly and the ultra ex Pétaniste generals getting power. You´re right that today it would be nigh on impossible to change the constitution as there is no consensus as to how to do it. The right and the far right want to give even more powers to the presidency, the left want a more parliamentary system. I personally like Melenchon´s ideas for a sixth republic. Even if you disagree with him about a lot of stuff, his plans make a lot of sense. One thing I like is he wants some MPs elected by sortition, i.e the method used to select juries and to make them statistically representative of the population. I think that´s good thing, i.e I vote for left wing parties but I don´t agree with them about everything
@@DefnitelyNotFredIt didn't last, thought. By 1946 he was outed, and he only came back because the military threatened to topple the Republic if de Gaulle wasn't put back into power. He was popular, but not enough to be elected by the first round nor to get more than 56% of votes in the second round in 1965, and in 1969 when he tried to have his reform passed through referendum and making it a plebiscit about himself, he lost the vote.
I actually envy Frances ability to reform their political systems with full rebuilds of their republic. While I love my home country of Denmark success in having a stable and iterative style of reform of our power structure, sometimes starting over is the most sane option. You go France.
Tbf the transition from 4th to 5th is only change that came from political instability, the others were more reestablishing the republic after a monarchy or empires
@@eclipso6753 that Fight is ongoing still. The aristocracy of old may be no more or of minor concern, but the new aristocracy is strong and wields power through capital markets on a global scale, out of reach of any one nation. That societal structures are based on democracy and not monarchy has just moved the justifications for the insane inequality, from "because we say so" to "because the "free market" says so". Same fight, different location. 😊
@@asbjo Or the fight actually has little to nothing to do with inequality or discussion on economics at all. You look at all of France’s revolutions and only the 1st was caused by such things, and that was one of a cadre of issues plaguing the states. Ever since then economics or inequality played no part and the foundation of revolution came from political disenfranchisement: a people of liberty and progress against a machine of illiberalism and static.
@@asbjo I get what you're saying but still a change in Republic would require a national crisis. The transition from 4th to 5th might not have been a regime change but the Algerian Crisis escalated to the point of threat of Civil War. Another thing was that De Gaulle was popular enough for the population to trust him and the constitutional committee to draft the constitution, and even he would resign amidst another crisis. Non of the current big 3 in French politics has even close to the mandate to change the Republic and would just get slammed by the other 2 sides.
I burnt my Bingo Card 3 months ago 😂 Since than Germany gets to vote early Trump got elected Fall of Assad Failed coup in S Korea. Something tells my 2024 will be regarded as an important year for the 21st Century 😅
I think that culture affects the political structure and the political structure affects culture, they´re symbiotic. The French don´t have a culture of coalition, in part because their political system doesn´t allow it.
The big problem for the 5th Republic political structure seems to be the separation of the presidential office from the ruling party. This has left Macron, a deeply unpopular man who is far too hard headed to compromise his own opinions, in a position of power until his term runs out acting as a temporary dictator in effect. It does seem to me that the system could be improved by giving the government the ability to table a confidence vote against the president which, if the president lost, would be forced to resign causing a presidential election or (if the system was changed to the point where the leader of the ruling party became president automatically) a general election.
Yep, the president has way too much power in france. I'd say a better solution is to just get rid of it all together and have the prime minister become the head of state. Then again it does not solve the parliamentary issues. So might be best to just have a direct voting system, instead of working with districts.
As much as Macron is unpopular (I don't like him all that much either), I think that a stable executive is a good characteristic so long as the parliament is relatively independent since it keeps a degree of consistency in the rule of law and prevents on party from simply just seizing absolute power. I know it isn't totally democratic, but the goal should be to provide stability and security for the everyday rights of the average citizen even if they might not be the happiest with the government.
There's no ruling party at the moment in France. The parliament is splitted 3-ways which each block being a coalition of several parties. The left block has grudges against the center, because of the snap election. The president tried to squeeze out all left parties by giving only a short time for campaigning. The idea was that the left vote would split between many parties and the first two places would go to a center and a right candidate. This would give the center candidates a boots by the left votes in the runoff vote, having them cruise into parliament without being popular. This makes a center left coalition difficult. The right parties hope for a win in the presidential election if Macron resignes, so they don't want to help him governinc the country.
@@joachimfrank4134 I’d rather have an innactive legislature with an executive who can really only be active in matters of foreign policy to a minor extent, than something like the British system where a party that doesn’t even get a significant portion of the vote just is given power because it got a plurality.
Or just have a constitutional monarchy thats a guranteed receipe for stability like Denmark and Norway? instead of this charade and useless discussions
Yeah they definitely need reform. It's ludicrous that the President gets to pick the prime minister, for example, which essentially means he gets to choose which party controls the government.
Yes and no. The President has to pick from the majority party from the National Assembly otherwise the government is more or less immediately censored, has it as just happened with Barnier. The problem that is appearing today is that there is no majority party in the Assembly (in terms of seats the left won the last legislative election but it's a fractured coalition that is volatile and threaten to blow up every two days and they don't have absolute majority) and no one seems to be able or willing to compromise to work together because coalition and compromises are things that are absent from the 5th republic parliamentary processus.
@@Kaosi This system completely goes up in flames once no party/bloc has a parliamentary majority. It needs reform - the president shouldn't just be able to pick who is the ruling party on a whim, that's something that parliament should decide. The absence of compromises and coalitions are a direct result of refusing to reform the system - Germany, for example, doesn't have this issue. Reform the way party leaders are picked, and you'll get more coalitions. Hence why I said "they definitely need reform".
@casteddu6740 Yeah, but in those other countries, the appointed prime minister still has to be approved by the parliament. There is no parliamentary approval needed for the appointment of the French prime minister. You might find the difference minute, as "what's the difference between voting for a Prime Minister and a no-confidence vote after the government is formed?", but I think it's the difference that determines whether or not a multi-party system won't collapse. If parliament has a vote on electing Prime Ministers, then there's always going to be concessions made as to who/what/how they're going to govern - thus facilitating the necessity of compromise, and coalitions. Only having a no-confidence vote is how you end up with governments collapsing in the middle of their term, like France just did. It's better to resolve governing differences BEFORE going into office, not AFTER. It's more stable this way ("This way" being that the President's appointees for Prime Minister still have to get approval from Parliament).
@@reaperz5677 Sadly, Parliamentarism has bad press in France because it was the system used by the Third Republic and it was notoriously instable while the 5th has for a long while provided stability. (But funnily enough, the Third Republic is the Republic that was there the longest.) I think a lot of people agree on wanting a reform of the system, but you'll find few people agreeing on what to reform and how and even less ready to take the leap.
France’s problem is its endless bureaucracy, massive debt, inflation, and lack of innovation, which have sunk many companies competing with the U.S., South Korea, and China. and they act like a global superpower by spending so much, but it’s far from that now and they can't do that anymore.
I´d argue Macron´s cuts haven´t helped. France easily has the potential to be a tech superpower and there are things they do rather well, i.e engineering.
Balanced budget amendment or constitutional limit of deficit as 3% of GDP would have forced politicians to reform the system in time and to act more responsible.
France needs a modern Napoleon. Not the supreme general, but his administrative mind. Some who dusts off the 'Code Civil' and give it a stern lookover. Rework the banking system, restores law and order. Makes public services streamlined and efficient again. And last but not least work dilligently on education.
In terms of crime, people exaggerate a lot, there are very rough areas in Paris and Marseille but it´s not as if it´s a civil war. France is my second country, I know it very well, the thing is the French are a nation of catastrophists, they always think everything is terrible.
I think that the fourth Republic´s constitution was nicer, I prefer parliamentarian systems to presidential ones, the French president has far too much power. I actually like Melenchon´s proposal that some members of the lower house be elected by sortition, like juries in the UK. I think politicians are often out of touch with their own voters, i.e plenty of right wing voters don´t believe in privatising everything, plenty of left wing voters support more immigration control. Unfortunately, I don´t think it will happen in France any time soon, changing a country´s constitution requires a lot of consensus and there is none of that in French politics atm. The Fourth Republic constitution was possible because of the war and the fifth Republic´s was really the result of a sort of coup d´état. I think under the French right, you will get a much more authoritarian system, much more like Hungary, especially if Marine Le Pen becomes president.
Full presidentialism like in the US has one BIG feature. The US President can't dissolve the lower chamber of the legislature. It forces the President (executive) to negotiate policies with the Congress (legislative). It is quite nice to force two branches of power to work as responsible actors.
Meanwhile us in Britain using the same system for 300 years. I'm sure it's not a reason why Britain is always struggling with domestic issues and is stuck in a two party cycle where little changes anymore despite new governments coming into power
Btw I do know things have changed but the actual system of government, or economic systems have not changed in around 40 years despite clear and deepening problems within the state
I dont believe system currently present day uk is same as post Cromwell monarchy. Or even similar to victorian there were major changes like universal and women suffrage which drastically charges how in reality system acts, its not only wearing funny hat when speaking
More influence for the French voter is going to be a disaster for every country in europe. We've already seen the non-sensical protests, it would make French the least reliable partner in Europe.
I feel like the cat looking over a wall of snow meme "What is happening over there in France?" I dont think here in Brazil we ever reached this level of political instability after Collor
This crisis is quite "light" if you compare it with some situations which occurred in some other European countries such as Belgium or Italy, for instance. As a French citizen, I do think a new system is needed though.
As a Frenchman, a 6th Republic which would be a parliamentary regime is debated. We must not forget that the French are traumatized by the parliamentary regimes of the 3rd and 4th Republic. Both were very unstable and never managed to emerge from crises (State Scandal, WW2, Algerian War). Then the Constitution of the 5th Republic is that of de Gaulle. For many French people it is a work that should not be touched too much. Then in France, unlike other European countries, we do not have a culture of compromise, of consensus. The parties remain in their positions even if it means blocking everything. I can't imagine the mess with coalitions from different political sides. The French also have paradoxical behavior. They hate authority but are attached to having a strong individual figure. I see a lot of people talking about introducing proportional representation. Personally I am for it. But the problem is that extreme parties will have much higher scores. And there will no longer be anyone to represent the small constituencies, while France is already very (too) centralized.
Altering the voting system would not require a constitutional amendment, it only requires a normal law. In fact, it's already been changed before. Proportional representation by département was implemented for the 1986 legislative elections, only for the victorious Gaullists to change it back to the two-round system which has been used ever since.
France's main issue lies in its excessive bureaucracy, which hurt economic progress. The country is burdened by massive debt, inflation, and a severe lack of innovation, causing many companies to fail in the face of competition from the U.S., South Korea, and China. France seems to have forgotten that it is no longer a global power and cannot print or spend money recklessly like China and the U.S. recklessly, as if it were still a major power like the U.S. or China.
It proves that you know nothing about France as they literally CAN'T print more money because they want to, this is the EU's job not France (even though the euros printing machines ARE in France they can't just decide to print more for themselves)
Restoration of the 👑Emperor😉 could be nice. I'd think Napoleon's heir (Jean-Christophe, Prince Napoléon) should be installed. The ✝Pope is to crown him Emperor as it ties in cultural religious ties and blocks any other religion or cult from manifesting (for cultural stability reasons we recognize ONE leading religion). 🤔 The Emperor can only be deposed by civil war ⚔or abdication. The ONLY option to replace is with the next closest relative (some exceptions such as age apply). There I fixed it. NO *modern Frenchmen would depose their Monarch if it meant civil war🤭. If there is extra concern the Catholic Church will actually be in contact, as the crowning of a new Emperor is only done by their authority (If you are an Atheist you should still accept the importance of this stipulation)
The problem with France is that its to bureaucratic, way too regulated and when politicians try to fix things for businesses to create jobs there will be mass demonstration. If it continues france will economically collapse
I wouldn´t say that, France isn´t at risk of economic collapse any time soon. It has issues, but certainly isn´t going to collapse. Indeed, Macron has cut welfare quite a bit, yet it hasn´t produced the desired effects. Maybe that shows that so-called "free market" economics isn´t actually true.
@jameslewis2635 Yeah, and then they brought the king back, then another king, toyed with an republic but settled for an emperor. Voted for a king but got a republic instead.
It's time for France to try and establish a monarchy again. Let Jean, Count of Paris of the House of Orleans, constitutionally rule over a new Kingdom, or Prince Jean-Christophe of the House of Bonaparte take the throne of a restored Empire.
It will be great, I have called for it for many years now. The current system doesn't work, the president should not be the one deciding the ministers, and should have no power on making laws. That should be the job of the parliament, senators and deputes. His job should be a spokes person between the nation people and foreign countries. Regions, and departments should have more autonomy. And the parliament should no be a place where everyone wants to block anyone that they don' like, it should be a place where they talk, discuss, and make concessions for the good of the French people. This will prevent extremist to take power, and will make the extreme left to chill.
In France, nobody wants to listen to anyone else, everyone wants to speak but nobody wants to listen. As soon as you open your mouth, you´re jumped on. If you say you think the Burkha ban or the Burkini ban is silly, "oh you are betraying secularism" (even though France had a secular constitution long before it was introduced). If you say "our integration model isn´t working", it´s "oh you hate Republican values" (tbh that can be a criticism levelled at both left and right). If you say French education is dated, people say "oh you hate teachers" If you say "maybe privatisation hasn´t worked so well", it´s "oh you´re from the extreme left". If you say "maybe the Ukranian regime isn´t so nice and we shouldn´t send it so much aid" it´s "oh you love Putin". You can´t have any kind of debate unless people are willing to listen.
A stable government can't happen until the politicians start actually representing the people again. Then, any of the three systems can operate properly. When the politicians are just fighting amongst themselves and ignoring the people, instability is the natural result because who has and can keep political power becomes the only thing that really matters.
I highly reommend Julian Jackson's excellent biography of De Gaulle. France came close (or at least was perceived at the time to be close to) a military coup in 1958 which might well have ended democracy. The Fifth Republic was De Gaulle's "price" to keep France as a democracy i.e. it would give him broad, almost monarchical, powers: especially in the context of foreign policy (which he then used to "betray" the "pieds- noir" (rightly in my view, but that's a different matter). Personally, although at times chaotic, I think the Fourth Republic was not as bad as it has been painted. It formed the EC (with five other European States), built the independent nuclear deterrent for France (whatever your view on the wisdom of that) and (not least) began the so -called Trente Glorieuses, which saw the French economy become much richer. I much prefer Parliamentary systems to strong executive Presidential one (whether it be France, the US or South Korea). To that extent I agree with Melenchon (though not on much else...), but I'm also opposed to direct democracy: so beloved of populists. In my view the best model is Germany; but as with the US, I think the French are too in love with the idea of a President who has charateristics of a Monarch...much as they love to moan when a President acts the part.
Just a heads up, your formatting on the Nebula videos have been messed up for a while now. While this video works on youtube, the audio and visuals are desynced by about 10 seconds on Nebula.
J´aime bien l´idée d´avoir un état parlimentaire qui soint moins centralisé que la France actuelle. Malheureusement, je pense qu´il s´agit d´un reve lointain pour l´instant. En France, il y a trop de crispation politique, la droite française actuelle pense que le systeme actuel n´est pas sufissament autoritaire.
Wasn't it supposed to be in 2018? Besides, the terms first, second and third republic are merely journalistic. We are still in the first republic since the constituion, despite some significant changes, is still the same
The problem with the 6th Replublic, as mentioned in the video, is which one? I, personally, would prefer a parliamentary system where no party can rule alone. However, in the current political climate, with social media polarizing people's opinions, reaching a consensus around a coalition seems difficult. Even in countries where such political practice is the norm (Germany, Scandinavia, etc), this has proven challenging in recent years. Then, the first step, I think, is to reform the electoral system. The "winner of an election" is simply the winner of a certain electoral system and not the chosen of the people. The same votes can lead to different winners with a different electoral system. That's the base and that needs to be explained to the voters. We should implement systems that are far more robust against tactical voting like the Condorcet method. Changing the electoral system for the MPs and the President can be done without changing the constitution, or in a minor way.
Frankly, parliamentarism only works when the main political parties don't have too many radical differences between them and are willing to cooperate in times of need, however nowadays the electorate is too divided on key issues thus parliamentarism would only make politics more unstable
I'm from France (despite my profile pic yes, I mean when you're french you just wish you were from another country...) honestly at this point people here just want to revolt to have at least a bit of fun because we know that after so many republics our future is cooked anyway...🙄
They need direct votes to parties, like the dutch, and only one national circumscription. This “voting your local representative”is outdated with Internet and Television.
I think that you got it wrong. To remake a constitution you can go through a presidential power that forms an assembly constituent picked from the French people and not parliament to constitute the constitution. Then it will be passed to the people to vote by referendum.
I think it would be nice to use ranked choice voting for voting for the pm. If you don’t rank all the candidates then your ballot is void. This way you always get a winner. No confidence votes are allow every certain period of time with simple majority so there aren’t constant changes. No confidence votes with 3/4 majority to pass are always allowed
With how the president can hold the government ransom because he is too hard headed to compromise it practically is just an elective monarchy (a republican monarchy as some have said) It reminds me of Charles X before the July revolution, just a bit less intense
this is the fourth or fifth video im a row where the animations on Nebula are botched. seriously, just have someone go through the file once before you publish it, it's not hard.
The original Star Wars (1977) is older than the current constitution and political system of _every country_ on Earth _except two_ . America (1789) and England (1660)
@ true, but, they didn’t restructure the government. Since the US adopted the Constitution we’ve always had congress, the president, and the Supreme Court.
Just posting on here to let you all know, the Nebula video is REALLY messed up between the graphics and the video playing behind it. The TH-cam video doesn't have the same problem, so I'm guessing you all might have uploaded an older version of this video to Nebula.
Would be ridiculous and useless. Why go back to a parliamentary system that would just increase instability? The political landscape has changed, a reform of the system isn't going to change the fact that French people are basically split politically in thirds. It's hard to get a more majoritarian system than the runoff elections they already have.
A targeted reform of the French constitution seems to be not only the most likely scenario but a preferred one in my book I feel like the president of France is too powerful. His influence in parliament is too much. Conversely, the parliamentary system of the third republic and of other modern parliamentary republics are not very stable either I think the relationship between the president and parliament should be streamlined. I don't know how tbh, but situations that lead to utter collapse can be reduced a more cooperative atmosphere between the two should be facilitated
Yeah, a reform of the electoral system seems advisable. Reduce election cooldowm to 6 months, so you're not wasting time trying to half-stitch-together a zombie of a government AND Implement a proportional seat distribution system with a 3-10% threshold, depending how many small parties you'd want to allow for coalition-building (can get very messy with multi-party mega-coalitions) or if you'd like to create a situation where a party needs significant support to enter parliament and hope that there's always one that has a majority (50%+1 seat)
Just bring back the monarchy and admit that this form of government doesn’t work for France. Even Charles de gul strongly considered a constitutional monarchy. Do it France.
No. France is like the IRA - it might morph into a 6th Republic (or a Continuity Republic, Real Republic, Provisional Republic, or Official Republic?) but it will be difficult to detect any substantive difference. Constitutional renewal through serial Republics counts as normal political evolution in France. Mind you, I do miss the intervening Directories, Consulates, Empires, Restored Monarchies, Bourgeois Republics and Communes that livened the process up in the century after 1789. Vichy has been a poor substitute for their variety since then.
We got France Republic 6 before GTA 6
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That's a good thing. GTA 6 will be a massive disappointment with everything that can be seen as offensive removed.
Bro the desc💀
@@bjoardarAsmonmold brainrot take. They aren’t gonna fuckup their cashcow game after rdr2 was a masterpiece. I bet there are gonna be people triggered over some banal, meaningless thing though.
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Just one more republic, bro
Just one more empire, bro
We can stop any time, we don't have a problem I swear
A 4th French Empire will be wild
Real
Just restore the monarchy at this point lol
At this point it's not about politics, it's just their favorite national sport.
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I mean...yeah, pretty much. Kingdom, republic, sort-of republic, empire, kingdom, republic, empire, republic, republic. God knows what's next. Come to think of it, does anyone have a spare Bonaparte? Third time's the charm, right?
But isn't protesting established as their national sport already?
I'll bet you anything someone from Corsica is watching and is getting ready to dust off their hat
Free Corsica
From chaos always comes a strong man. Napoleon, Mao, hitler etc etc.
For now the Third Republic is the longest standing French political regime since the French Revolution with 70 years from 1870 to 1940.
Was it the one with the presidential system?
No, it had a parliamentary system
Screw it at this point just jump to the Eighth Republic. A new system so big and important just skips past Republics Six and Seven.
South Korea is actually on their Eight Republic lmao, they can just copy them.
@@adhiwicaksono6149They may be on their 9th soon.
Yeah it's like how they went from Windows 8 to Windows 10.
Accelerationism?
As somebody who lives in one of these polarized countries, I'm still amazed how one political figure, like De Gaulle, could restructure the entire political system. Today we barely have any majority for anything.
What liberating your country against a fascist dictatorship can do for one’s political career aye?
De Gaulle was beloved by everyone as a WWII hero, he commanded a lot of national sentiment, rare in peace times
De Gaulle took over in a military coup in effect and although he had a lot of popularity, a lot of people voted for the fifth Republic, also to prevent something even worse happening, i.e the French army taking over directly and the ultra ex Pétaniste generals getting power.
You´re right that today it would be nigh on impossible to change the constitution as there is no consensus as to how to do it. The right and the far right want to give even more powers to the presidency, the left want a more parliamentary system.
I personally like Melenchon´s ideas for a sixth republic. Even if you disagree with him about a lot of stuff, his plans make a lot of sense. One thing I like is he wants some MPs elected by sortition, i.e the method used to select juries and to make them statistically representative of the population.
I think that´s good thing, i.e I vote for left wing parties but I don´t agree with them about everything
@@DefnitelyNotFredIt didn't last, thought. By 1946 he was outed, and he only came back because the military threatened to topple the Republic if de Gaulle wasn't put back into power. He was popular, but not enough to be elected by the first round nor to get more than 56% of votes in the second round in 1965, and in 1969 when he tried to have his reform passed through referendum and making it a plebiscit about himself, he lost the vote.
Same thing with Regan. It's crazy to think that people could win opinion with such a clear majority. Almost unfathomable in today's world.
At this point they should revive Napoleon from the dead
I mean his descendants are still around and they got money, maybe they'll make a move lol
I actually envy Frances ability to reform their political systems with full rebuilds of their republic. While I love my home country of Denmark success in having a stable and iterative style of reform of our power structure, sometimes starting over is the most sane option. You go France.
Tbf the transition from 4th to 5th is only change that came from political instability, the others were more reestablishing the republic after a monarchy or empires
@@eclipso6753 average french revolution moment
@@eclipso6753 that Fight is ongoing still. The aristocracy of old may be no more or of minor concern, but the new aristocracy is strong and wields power through capital markets on a global scale, out of reach of any one nation.
That societal structures are based on democracy and not monarchy has just moved the justifications for the insane inequality, from "because we say so" to "because the "free market" says so".
Same fight, different location. 😊
@@asbjo Or the fight actually has little to nothing to do with inequality or discussion on economics at all. You look at all of France’s revolutions and only the 1st was caused by such things, and that was one of a cadre of issues plaguing the states. Ever since then economics or inequality played no part and the foundation of revolution came from political disenfranchisement: a people of liberty and progress against a machine of illiberalism and static.
@@asbjo I get what you're saying but still a change in Republic would require a national crisis. The transition from 4th to 5th might not have been a regime change but the Algerian Crisis escalated to the point of threat of Civil War. Another thing was that De Gaulle was popular enough for the population to trust him and the constitutional committee to draft the constitution, and even he would resign amidst another crisis. Non of the current big 3 in French politics has even close to the mandate to change the Republic and would just get slammed by the other 2 sides.
That was not on my 2024 Bingocard but am all here for it
I burnt my Bingo Card 3 months ago 😂
Since than
Germany gets to vote early
Trump got elected
Fall of Assad
Failed coup in S Korea.
Something tells my 2024 will be regarded as an important year for the 21st Century 😅
At what republic do we start considering it’s not the system but just the French.
Exactly what I was thinking!
I think that culture affects the political structure and the political structure affects culture, they´re symbiotic.
The French don´t have a culture of coalition, in part because their political system doesn´t allow it.
The big problem for the 5th Republic political structure seems to be the separation of the presidential office from the ruling party. This has left Macron, a deeply unpopular man who is far too hard headed to compromise his own opinions, in a position of power until his term runs out acting as a temporary dictator in effect. It does seem to me that the system could be improved by giving the government the ability to table a confidence vote against the president which, if the president lost, would be forced to resign causing a presidential election or (if the system was changed to the point where the leader of the ruling party became president automatically) a general election.
Yep, the president has way too much power in france. I'd say a better solution is to just get rid of it all together and have the prime minister become the head of state.
Then again it does not solve the parliamentary issues. So might be best to just have a direct voting system, instead of working with districts.
As much as Macron is unpopular (I don't like him all that much either), I think that a stable executive is a good characteristic so long as the parliament is relatively independent since it keeps a degree of consistency in the rule of law and prevents on party from simply just seizing absolute power. I know it isn't totally democratic, but the goal should be to provide stability and security for the everyday rights of the average citizen even if they might not be the happiest with the government.
There's no ruling party at the moment in France. The parliament is splitted 3-ways which each block being a coalition of several parties. The left block has grudges against the center, because of the snap election. The president tried to squeeze out all left parties by giving only a short time for campaigning. The idea was that the left vote would split between many parties and the first two places would go to a center and a right candidate. This would give the center candidates a boots by the left votes in the runoff vote, having them cruise into parliament without being popular. This makes a center left coalition difficult.
The right parties hope for a win in the presidential election if Macron resignes, so they don't want to help him governinc the country.
@@joachimfrank4134 I’d rather have an innactive legislature with an executive who can really only be active in matters of foreign policy to a minor extent, than something like the British system where a party that doesn’t even get a significant portion of the vote just is given power because it got a plurality.
Or just have a constitutional monarchy thats a guranteed receipe for stability like Denmark and Norway? instead of this charade and useless discussions
I don’t know if it will collapse but France in a dire situation no matter if they collapse or not
5th already in less than 250 years is hilarious.
If it collapses, they should try the 3rd empire
That´s Marine Le Pen, pretty much.
No it isn't. Bring back the Bonaparte.
@@kims4149 yeah, Bonapartist France had a lot of things you wouldn´t like if you thought about it for five minutes.
We got France Republic 6, but Reich 4 when?
EU be like:
Ideally never
Yeah they definitely need reform. It's ludicrous that the President gets to pick the prime minister, for example, which essentially means he gets to choose which party controls the government.
Yes and no. The President has to pick from the majority party from the National Assembly otherwise the government is more or less immediately censored, has it as just happened with Barnier. The problem that is appearing today is that there is no majority party in the Assembly (in terms of seats the left won the last legislative election but it's a fractured coalition that is volatile and threaten to blow up every two days and they don't have absolute majority) and no one seems to be able or willing to compromise to work together because coalition and compromises are things that are absent from the 5th republic parliamentary processus.
Even in parliamentary systems with a stronger parliament and a weeker president, choosing the prime minister is still the president's job
@@Kaosi This system completely goes up in flames once no party/bloc has a parliamentary majority. It needs reform - the president shouldn't just be able to pick who is the ruling party on a whim, that's something that parliament should decide.
The absence of compromises and coalitions are a direct result of refusing to reform the system - Germany, for example, doesn't have this issue.
Reform the way party leaders are picked, and you'll get more coalitions. Hence why I said "they definitely need reform".
@casteddu6740 Yeah, but in those other countries, the appointed prime minister still has to be approved by the parliament. There is no parliamentary approval needed for the appointment of the French prime minister.
You might find the difference minute, as "what's the difference between voting for a Prime Minister and a no-confidence vote after the government is formed?", but I think it's the difference that determines whether or not a multi-party system won't collapse. If parliament has a vote on electing Prime Ministers, then there's always going to be concessions made as to who/what/how they're going to govern - thus facilitating the necessity of compromise, and coalitions. Only having a no-confidence vote is how you end up with governments collapsing in the middle of their term, like France just did.
It's better to resolve governing differences BEFORE going into office, not AFTER. It's more stable this way ("This way" being that the President's appointees for Prime Minister still have to get approval from Parliament).
@@reaperz5677 Sadly, Parliamentarism has bad press in France because it was the system used by the Third Republic and it was notoriously instable while the 5th has for a long while provided stability. (But funnily enough, the Third Republic is the Republic that was there the longest.)
I think a lot of people agree on wanting a reform of the system, but you'll find few people agreeing on what to reform and how and even less ready to take the leap.
All parties involved are overreacting, at most a patch of republic 5.1 is necessary
France’s problem is its endless bureaucracy, massive debt, inflation, and lack of innovation, which have sunk many companies competing with the U.S., South Korea, and China. and they act like a global superpower by spending so much, but it’s far from that now and they can't do that anymore.
true
I´d argue Macron´s cuts haven´t helped. France easily has the potential to be a tech superpower and there are things they do rather well, i.e engineering.
I mean isnt france global power? They still have colonies wirh puppet governments and with monetary unikn
Balanced budget amendment or constitutional limit of deficit as 3% of GDP would have forced politicians to reform the system in time and to act more responsible.
@@СовиныйТеоретик how are y'all supposed to get welfare with only 3% tho
France needs a modern Napoleon. Not the supreme general, but his administrative mind. Some who dusts off the 'Code Civil' and give it a stern lookover. Rework the banking system, restores law and order. Makes public services streamlined and efficient again. And last but not least work dilligently on education.
In terms of crime, people exaggerate a lot, there are very rough areas in Paris and Marseille but it´s not as if it´s a civil war. France is my second country, I know it very well, the thing is the French are a nation of catastrophists, they always think everything is terrible.
Public services is and will always be inefficient, it's baked into the cake unfortunately
given the french tendencies this was probably overdue, really
Just restore the Monarchy
Screw republic. They need 3rd French Empire.
I'm here waiting for the 7th France Republic.
I think that the fourth Republic´s constitution was nicer, I prefer parliamentarian systems to presidential ones, the French president has far too much power.
I actually like Melenchon´s proposal that some members of the lower house be elected by sortition, like juries in the UK. I think politicians are often out of touch with their own voters, i.e plenty of right wing voters don´t believe in privatising everything, plenty of left wing voters support more immigration control.
Unfortunately, I don´t think it will happen in France any time soon, changing a country´s constitution requires a lot of consensus and there is none of that in French politics atm. The Fourth Republic constitution was possible because of the war and the fifth Republic´s was really the result of a sort of coup d´état.
I think under the French right, you will get a much more authoritarian system, much more like Hungary, especially if Marine Le Pen becomes president.
Full presidentialism like in the US has one BIG feature. The US President can't dissolve the lower chamber of the legislature. It forces the President (executive) to negotiate policies with the Congress (legislative). It is quite nice to force two branches of power to work as responsible actors.
If you think France doesn't get anything done now with our rules it would be much worse
Meanwhile us in Britain using the same system for 300 years. I'm sure it's not a reason why Britain is always struggling with domestic issues and is stuck in a two party cycle where little changes anymore despite new governments coming into power
Btw I do know things have changed but the actual system of government, or economic systems have not changed in around 40 years despite clear and deepening problems within the state
@scottbrick9918 you could more easily blame that on Blair, who made major changes to the constitution, than to the more ancient constitution.
Its why Britain was a currency reserve and a financial center. People domestic and international love stability. Dont follow the French.
australia has used the same system for 123 years, and we're still fine for the most part, though getting rid of the 2 party system is a pain
I dont believe system currently present day uk is same as post Cromwell monarchy. Or even similar to victorian there were major changes like universal and women suffrage which drastically charges how in reality system acts, its not only wearing funny hat when speaking
Meanwhile America is still on its first federal constitution.
although it´s been heavily ammended. The 14th ammendment changed the nature of the constitution a lot!
More influence for the French voter is going to be a disaster for every country in europe.
We've already seen the non-sensical protests, it would make French the least reliable partner in Europe.
I feel like the cat looking over a wall of snow meme
"What is happening over there in France?"
I dont think here in Brazil we ever reached this level of political instability after Collor
This crisis is quite "light" if you compare it with some situations which occurred in some other European countries such as Belgium or Italy, for instance. As a French citizen, I do think a new system is needed though.
The people of France need a better government
As a Frenchman, a 6th Republic which would be a parliamentary regime is debated. We must not forget that the French are traumatized by the parliamentary regimes of the 3rd and 4th Republic. Both were very unstable and never managed to emerge from crises (State Scandal, WW2, Algerian War). Then the Constitution of the 5th Republic is that of de Gaulle. For many French people it is a work that should not be touched too much. Then in France, unlike other European countries, we do not have a culture of compromise, of consensus. The parties remain in their positions even if it means blocking everything. I can't imagine the mess with coalitions from different political sides. The French also have paradoxical behavior. They hate authority but are attached to having a strong individual figure. I see a lot of people talking about introducing proportional representation. Personally I am for it. But the problem is that extreme parties will have much higher scores. And there will no longer be anyone to represent the small constituencies, while France is already very (too) centralized.
The RN will get a lot of MPs anyway,.
@Commonsense-u1h Yes but we want to prevent their party from having an absolute majority
@@toutone4218 they won't have an absolute majority under PR. They're actually more likely to get that under the current system
Its nice to know that the UK was just the trend setter rather than the exception.
They have to have 2 Republics per Century
They should go for the Third French Empire instead. Make things more interesting.
Macrone as a "lame duck"? Interesting
Good video...but that 1:18 long unskipable add make me forget what was video about at the first place
At this point they should just have a constitutional monarchy
Altering the voting system would not require a constitutional amendment, it only requires a normal law. In fact, it's already been changed before. Proportional representation by département was implemented for the 1986 legislative elections, only for the victorious Gaullists to change it back to the two-round system which has been used ever since.
Weird that even though both the left and far right said they wanted PR, and Macrons party would benefit the most they aren't doing it now.
Republics are like career changes. Once you get past the third one people always ask when your next one is coming.
France's main issue lies in its excessive bureaucracy, which hurt economic progress. The country is burdened by massive debt, inflation, and a severe lack of innovation, causing many companies to fail in the face of competition from the U.S., South Korea, and China. France seems to have forgotten that it is no longer a global power and cannot print or spend money recklessly like China and the U.S. recklessly, as if it were still a major power like the U.S. or China.
It proves that you know nothing about France as they literally CAN'T print more money because they want to, this is the EU's job not France (even though the euros printing machines ARE in France they can't just decide to print more for themselves)
Borbon restauration please?
Restoration of the 👑Emperor😉 could be nice. I'd think Napoleon's heir (Jean-Christophe, Prince Napoléon) should be installed. The ✝Pope is to crown him Emperor as it ties in cultural religious ties and blocks any other religion or cult from manifesting (for cultural stability reasons we recognize ONE leading religion).
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The Emperor can only be deposed by civil war ⚔or abdication. The ONLY option to replace is with the next closest relative (some exceptions such as age apply).
There I fixed it. NO *modern Frenchmen would depose their Monarch if it meant civil war🤭. If there is extra concern the Catholic Church will actually be in contact, as the crowning of a new Emperor is only done by their authority (If you are an Atheist you should still accept the importance of this stipulation)
A very dissertation approach to this issue ,on point and brilliant nevertheless✨✨✨
The problem with France is that its to bureaucratic, way too regulated and when politicians try to fix things for businesses to create jobs there will be mass demonstration. If it continues france will economically collapse
I wouldn´t say that, France isn´t at risk of economic collapse any time soon. It has issues, but certainly isn´t going to collapse. Indeed, Macron has cut welfare quite a bit, yet it hasn´t produced the desired effects. Maybe that shows that so-called "free market" economics isn´t actually true.
Why not make it the second french empire?
It would be a third
They tried that, didn't like it and the king got 'shortened'.
They had that already
@jameslewis2635 Yeah, and then they brought the king back, then another king, toyed with an republic but settled for an emperor. Voted for a king but got a republic instead.
Why not just try another monarchy?
It's time for France to try and establish a monarchy again. Let Jean, Count of Paris of the House of Orleans, constitutionally rule over a new Kingdom, or Prince Jean-Christophe of the House of Bonaparte take the throne of a restored Empire.
Agree. I prefer a constitutional monarchy over republican
It will be great, I have called for it for many years now. The current system doesn't work, the president should not be the one deciding the ministers, and should have no power on making laws. That should be the job of the parliament, senators and deputes. His job should be a spokes person between the nation people and foreign countries. Regions, and departments should have more autonomy. And the parliament should no be a place where everyone wants to block anyone that they don' like, it should be a place where they talk, discuss, and make concessions for the good of the French people. This will prevent extremist to take power, and will make the extreme left to chill.
In France, nobody wants to listen to anyone else, everyone wants to speak but nobody wants to listen.
As soon as you open your mouth, you´re jumped on. If you say you think the Burkha ban or the Burkini ban is silly, "oh you are betraying secularism" (even though France had a secular constitution long before it was introduced).
If you say "our integration model isn´t working", it´s "oh you hate Republican values" (tbh that can be a criticism levelled at both left and right).
If you say French education is dated, people say "oh you hate teachers"
If you say "maybe privatisation hasn´t worked so well", it´s "oh you´re from the extreme left".
If you say "maybe the Ukranian regime isn´t so nice and we shouldn´t send it so much aid" it´s "oh you love Putin".
You can´t have any kind of debate unless people are willing to listen.
A stable government can't happen until the politicians start actually representing the people again. Then, any of the three systems can operate properly. When the politicians are just fighting amongst themselves and ignoring the people, instability is the natural result because who has and can keep political power becomes the only thing that really matters.
swiss‘ federal council sounds like a good option
Again! what is next the third empire
6th republic before GTA 6?
I highly reommend Julian Jackson's excellent biography of De Gaulle. France came close (or at least was perceived at the time to be close to) a military coup in 1958 which might well have ended democracy. The Fifth Republic was De Gaulle's "price" to keep France as a democracy i.e. it would give him broad, almost monarchical, powers: especially in the context of foreign policy (which he then used to "betray" the "pieds- noir" (rightly in my view, but that's a different matter). Personally, although at times chaotic, I think the Fourth Republic was not as bad as it has been painted. It formed the EC (with five other European States), built the independent nuclear deterrent for France (whatever your view on the wisdom of that) and (not least) began the so -called Trente Glorieuses, which saw the French economy become much richer. I much prefer Parliamentary systems to strong executive Presidential one (whether it be France, the US or South Korea). To that extent I agree with Melenchon (though not on much else...), but I'm also opposed to direct democracy: so beloved of populists. In my view the best model is Germany; but as with the US, I think the French are too in love with the idea of a President who has charateristics of a Monarch...much as they love to moan when a President acts the part.
Just a heads up, your formatting on the Nebula videos have been messed up for a while now. While this video works on youtube, the audio and visuals are desynced by about 10 seconds on Nebula.
As a french, I would love a six republic modeled after the suisse model.
J´aime bien l´idée d´avoir un état parlimentaire qui soint moins centralisé que la France actuelle. Malheureusement, je pense qu´il s´agit d´un reve lointain pour l´instant. En France, il y a trop de crispation politique, la droite française actuelle pense que le systeme actuel n´est pas sufissament autoritaire.
This sound like the script for the new Star War movies
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Your videos are always so rewarding and enjoyable. Thank you for your work and talent!🙄🐃♂️
Just like Italy, they keep trying to change the institutional model as if that was the problem, rather than the political cultural
Born too late to see revolution
Born in time to see sixth Republic
well we in Italy are well on our way to our third republic now too.
Wasn't it supposed to be in 2018? Besides, the terms first, second and third republic are merely journalistic. We are still in the first republic since the constituion, despite some significant changes, is still the same
@casteddu6740 La prima repubblica non si scorda mai!
Change the Senate to be chosen by lottery like jury duty!
Have a People's Assembly!
The MPs love talking but doing nothing.
Interesting times ahead for France!
Let's bring back the King, there were no parlamentary deadlocks back in the day
I think the issue is that the French are no use to working with opposition parties. It feels like a Cultural issue more than a system problem.
How to solve half of these political problems:
PR
How to solve the other half:
Don't let the people directly vote for their president/minister
The problem with the 6th Replublic, as mentioned in the video, is which one? I, personally, would prefer a parliamentary system where no party can rule alone. However, in the current political climate, with social media polarizing people's opinions, reaching a consensus around a coalition seems difficult. Even in countries where such political practice is the norm (Germany, Scandinavia, etc), this has proven challenging in recent years. Then, the first step, I think, is to reform the electoral system. The "winner of an election" is simply the winner of a certain electoral system and not the chosen of the people. The same votes can lead to different winners with a different electoral system. That's the base and that needs to be explained to the voters. We should implement systems that are far more robust against tactical voting like the Condorcet method. Changing the electoral system for the MPs and the President can be done without changing the constitution, or in a minor way.
Frankly, parliamentarism only works when the main political parties don't have too many radical differences between them and are willing to cooperate in times of need, however nowadays the electorate is too divided on key issues thus parliamentarism would only make politics more unstable
There's nothing wrong with the 5th Republic or its constitution. The problem is Mr. Macron.
I'm from France (despite my profile pic yes, I mean when you're french you just wish you were from another country...) honestly at this point people here just want to revolt to have at least a bit of fun because we know that after so many republics our future is cooked anyway...🙄
They need direct votes to parties, like the dutch, and only one national circumscription. This “voting your local representative”is outdated with Internet and Television.
RN would get the most votes with it. Macron and NFP will not let it at all cost.😢😢😢😢
France needs a parliamentary proportial system
I think that you got it wrong. To remake a constitution you can go through a presidential power that forms an assembly constituent picked from the French people and not parliament to constitute the constitution. Then it will be passed to the people to vote by referendum.
French politics are very interesting this year.
Everyone can have 1 government France has to have 6.
I think it would be nice to use ranked choice voting for voting for the pm. If you don’t rank all the candidates then your ballot is void. This way you always get a winner. No confidence votes are allow every certain period of time with simple majority so there aren’t constant changes. No confidence votes with 3/4 majority to pass are always allowed
It's like they say, sixth time's the charm.
Time to bring the monarchy back. I'm not even joking.
With how the president can hold the government ransom because he is too hard headed to compromise it practically is just an elective monarchy (a republican monarchy as some have said)
It reminds me of Charles X before the July revolution, just a bit less intense
as an italian, i hope no one from Corsica decides to do something funny
this is the fourth or fifth video im a row where the animations on Nebula are botched.
seriously, just have someone go through the file once before you publish it, it's not hard.
And the US here is still on our second. Articles of confederation and then the US constitution
The original Star Wars (1977) is older than the current constitution and political system of _every country_ on Earth _except two_ .
America (1789)
and England (1660)
Tbf, the post-civil war ammendments changed the consitution a lot!
@ true, but, they didn’t restructure the government. Since the US adopted the Constitution we’ve always had congress, the president, and the Supreme Court.
Just posting on here to let you all know, the Nebula video is REALLY messed up between the graphics and the video playing behind it. The TH-cam video doesn't have the same problem, so I'm guessing you all might have uploaded an older version of this video to Nebula.
Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the song of angry men?
It is the music of the people
Who will not be slaves again!
UK to other European countries: Oh how the turntables....
keep fist pass the post and remove two round system this will create a majority rather than a three way split
At this point: Palpatine must intervene.
Would be ridiculous and useless. Why go back to a parliamentary system that would just increase instability? The political landscape has changed, a reform of the system isn't going to change the fact that French people are basically split politically in thirds. It's hard to get a more majoritarian system than the runoff elections they already have.
A targeted reform of the French constitution seems to be not only the most likely scenario but a preferred one in my book
I feel like the president of France is too powerful. His influence in parliament is too much. Conversely, the parliamentary system of the third republic and of other modern parliamentary republics are not very stable either
I think the relationship between the president and parliament should be streamlined. I don't know how tbh, but situations that lead to utter collapse can be reduced a more cooperative atmosphere between the two should be facilitated
I am in favor of going back to the roots and proclaiming the third French kingdom.
France the only country in Europe that has been Kingdom twice, Empire twice and Republic five times!
France needs a constitutional monarchy. Bring back the Orleans or bourbon.
Or why not a third empire? Or why not restauration of the monarchy, vive le roi et la loi 😉?
Yeah, a reform of the electoral system seems advisable.
Reduce election cooldowm to 6 months, so you're not wasting time trying to half-stitch-together a zombie of a government AND
Implement a proportional seat distribution system with a 3-10% threshold, depending how many small parties you'd want to allow for coalition-building (can get very messy with multi-party mega-coalitions) or if you'd like to create a situation where a party needs significant support to enter parliament and hope that there's always one that has a majority (50%+1 seat)
The biggest problem is the power of the president the president can just hold the whole country hostage
i hope it gets replaced by a Monarchy
Could be the 3rd Empire, the 1st Commune, or if Le Pen takes over then the 2nd French State/Vichy.
Don’t expect them to get it right until we get to the mid 200s republics
Just bring back the monarchy and admit that this form of government doesn’t work for France. Even Charles de gul strongly considered a constitutional monarchy. Do it France.
still trying to figure what exactly Macron had in mind when he unnecessarily called snap elections
No. France is like the IRA - it might morph into a 6th Republic (or a Continuity Republic, Real Republic, Provisional Republic, or Official Republic?) but it will be difficult to detect any substantive difference. Constitutional renewal through serial Republics counts as normal political evolution in France. Mind you, I do miss the intervening Directories, Consulates, Empires, Restored Monarchies, Bourgeois Republics and Communes that livened the process up in the century after 1789. Vichy has been a poor substitute for their variety since then.