Ranking Relationships in SENSE AND SENSIBILITY
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How do you tell the difference between infatuation and love?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright are taking a look at the movie adaptation of Jane Austen's Sense and Sensibility. Jonathan is ranking the couples from least healthy to most sumptuous. Yes, most sumptuous. The contenders are Elinor and Edward, Marianne and Willoughby, and Marianne and Brandon. They talk about the qualities to look for in love and a partner, and they get a little flustered about how hot everyone is.
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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker, and Alan Seawright
Produced by: Jonathan Decker, Megan Seawright, Alan Seawright, and Corinne Demyanovich
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What about “City Lights”, the Charlie Chaplin film that was used as a template for a Futurama episode, “Stench and Stenchability”
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Not to forget, in the book Willoughby gets another lady pregnant, Jane Austen made sure we hate him 😂
It happens in the film too. In he book Brandon challenges him to a dual and kicks his a$$ even while sparing it.
I believe it was Brandon's ward who Willoughby got pregnant - then surprise surprise, Willoughby becomes an absent father. He's also a gold digger. The reason he ghosted Marianne was that she was considered poor and the other woman was rich.
Another sign of Brandon's kindness, he blames the Willoughby, not his poor ward.
Not a lady; a 15 year old, who might've been as young as 14 when he got her pregnant. An illegitimate girl, not a lady of means, either.
@@gracehowell. I don't think OP was considering formal titles - a lot of people use 'lady' interchangeably with 'gal' 'woman' 'girl' 'dudette'... all sorts of options!
Move over, Mr D'Arcy, Colonel Brandon is THE dishest, kindest Austen male lead. Darcy may walk through a hazy field for you, but Brandon would carry you through a rainstorm.
Heck yes!
Agree when comparing movies. He's less delicious in the book. Good still, but not peak. Darcy wins in Austen's novels.
Nah, Henry Tilney is the best Austen hero, bar none. He's also incredibly kind, likes to read novels, is willing to defy his father to do what is right, and I do love a man who can turn a perfectly snarky phrase. . .
@@WahleeUT Agree 100%. But this was about Sense and Sensibility. IN the novels though, Henry Tilney is hands down the best.
@@juliadriscoll9210 I disagree. Even when comparing the movies, Henry Tilney is the winner by far.
In Alan Rickman's diaries, he wrote how they filmed several character development scenes to show Col. Brandon slowly falling in love with Marianne due to their age gap. Those scenes got cut so it looks like Col. Brandon just fell for her quickly. Alan Rickman wrote how disappointed he was in how his character turned out on film.
Interesting! I didn't know that. Makes total sense that he would have wanted it another way...
makes so much sense! I always preferred 2008 Brandon, and I wish this one would have shown more of him.
You know, I LOVE this movie, but that has always been my one criticism of it. Gosh, I would have loved to have seen those extra scenes.
I think the movie is already 2 hours long, so they had to cut some scenes. Wish they added just one more Marianne and Brandon scene so I could be more strongly attached to them as a couple. I think they could cut the scene where Brandon tells Elinor about the place he has available for Edward (to have space for another Marianne and Brandon scene) since this is already implied in the scene of Elinor telling Edward about the same place.
I would've really liked this movie more if they were included! My take away was that he was an old man taken by a young pretty girl, and it did not sit with me well. She also was always snubbing him, so what in the world did he even see in her, except her looks?
A long time ago, I saw someone comment a little detail about Willoughby vs Brandon that show something about their characters: Willoughby just takes the flowers he brings Marianne from a neighbor field on his way, while Brandon offers carefully cultivated and tended flowers from his own greenhouse. Marianne initially preferred wildflowers for their romanticism, but Brandon's offering shows care and effort. Just an insightful little grace note.
I noticed this, too! It reminds me of how when I was younger and first started dating, I used to be easily impressed by any sort of romantic attention/flirtation a guy directed at me - even if it was just a text message or an Instagram like. It was after a pattern of neglectful and inconsistent behavior that I would then look back at the initial texts, last-minute dates, etc. and realize that all those "romantic gestures" were actually very unimpressive and lacked effort. Let's just say I relate a lot to Marianne :p
Great point!
It's the difference between a guy buying a birthday card for you 10 minutes before he stops by to pick you up for a date, and a guy making a hand-made birthday card over a weekend and mailing it to you the day before the date.
@@rikk319 Great analogy!
You forgot to highlight how relaxed Maryanne is in that last scene when Brandon said he was leaving. He has been so consistent she has no fear he's going to run off like Whilouby did.
Just the slightest touch of anticipating missing him. His warm smile when he takes that in = gold
Yes! Like, he knows he can tease her a little by saying it's a "secret" and she understands that he's not actually keeping things from her, because there is trust between them.
omg SO much this. She has this tiiiiny bit of nervousness but it eases immediately when she remembers who this is, and who he isn't, lol. It's such a lovely moment of contrast showing that she'll be so much happier with him.
She's smart enough to ask & make sure he's coming back this time, too. She doesn't want to be left waiting around for a guy again.
I always felt Elinor was not "panic crying from joy" but feeling incredible relief. All her life she held back her emotions and now for the first time she feels safe to show then, to just let them out. When I watch the film, my stomach is in knots because of her, I feel her tension so much, and I always cry so hard with her...
Yes!! She had been stuffing everything she was feeling deep down inside and the dam finally broke. That shallow sobbing is something else, she nailed it!
OMG, you hit the nail with this take. Absolutely true to character
This is it, the correct take. I don’t find the scene haha funny at all, it’s emotional and cathartic and sweet (and even the clip made me cry like a baby).
Yeah, I've cried like this before, it comes from locking down your feelings so long you can't contain them anymore
@@choyna I think some people laugh because we recognize that reaction of relief crying.
I didn’t laugh the first time, I cried with her, but on other viewing I laughed because of the relief.
“He is the polar opposite of a nice guy. He is a good man.” ::SCREAMING::
Casting Alan Rickman as Colonel Brandon in “Sense and Sensibility” (1995) = Casting Gabriel Byrne as Professor Bhaer in “Little Women” (1994). The 1990s *knew* how to show us that the “also-ran” is the real prize 😊.
It's funny how terms change over time. The original meaning of "nice guys finish last" was supposed to mean a nice guy was the stable, kind, marriage-material guy but wasn't what women really wanted. Now the term "nice guy" means the manosphere neckbeard contrarian who is neither marriage material nor the alpha/sigma/whatever dumbass term those kinda clueless guys are making up these days about themselves.
Makes me think also of the character Gabriel Oak in Far from the Madding Crowd.
Yes, both Baer and Brandon opened up the possibility in my young brain that older men are the way to go 😂
"Give me an occupation, Miss Dashwood, or I shall run mad."
Definitely using that line next time I don't know how to help someone.
But not to the person you want to help. It just puts more pressure on them when they're already in a bad place anyway.
While Brandon is the better choice, one of the reasons that Marianne says no at first is completely valid. She wants someone her own age and I can't fault her for that. He's got a 20 year gap on her, I would be too.
This! I did like the colonel a lot as a teen and saw him as the smart choice but the age gap did rub me off the bit wrong. Still does to a degree.
Agreed, Marianne was only about 17 in the original book, and it was understandable why she would want someone younger. It was only after Brandon took care of her, and proved his loyalty, that she fell for him, age be darned.
I agree! I love how Marianne loves with reckless abandon. What a wonderful contrast to her sister’s ultra guarded personality. I’ve always believed that Willoughby really did love Marianne, just not more than his need for status and his way of life. I think he was experiencing more than just embarrassment at the party, but also shame and a bit of his own heart breaking.
I agree that Colonel Brandon was by far the best catch here, and I also agree with you that it is completely understandable that Marianne didn’t see him in this way for a long time.
Absolutely. That really was it. The other guy was younger, but not mature.
@@msk-qp6fn Same!
Let's also give Emma Thompson her flowers for being the writer who ADAPTED THIS SCREENPLAY 😍 highly recommend looking for a secondhand copy of the book with her original screenplay and diaries while making the film. Also yes -- Emma's first husband cheated on her, she met Greg Wise making this film I believe, they married several years later, and are still married today❤
They did better than flowers, they gave her an Oscar for Best ScreenPlay and Best Actress. Her speech is hilarious!
Yes...Emma Thompson, you're an amazing woman. Such a fine screenplay adaptation, and so well acted in your role.
Wait what there is a book?? 😮❤😱🤩
If memory serves correctly, they, Emma and Greg, started dating while still on set. In the scene where he is making fun of their relatives on the picnic, he is definitely flirting with Emma and she’s enjoying it. At least I picked up on that lol😅
@@laurenmendoza4371omg 100% 😂😂😂 it’s hilarious because it’s like shoot I’m supposed to be into Marianne 😂
Elinor’s loud almost-scream-crying outburst is one of the most excellent unexpected acting/directing choices I’ve ever seen. The audience is caught just as off-guard as Hugh Grant was, and it makes so much sense for Elinor’s character. And then it’s followed with Emma Thompson’s blissfully smiling face- chef’s kiss
You have to hand it to Austen for writing men who do what they can for the woman they love, without expectation of anything in return, for both Brandon and Darcy. Darcy in P&P didn't grow to impress Lizzy, but because he respected her and listened to her criticism, and agreed that he could indeed improve, regardless of Lizzy in his life.
In the commentary track for this movie, Emma Thompson mentions how we see how both Edward and Colonel Brandon pay attention to the youngest daughter Margaret, who is interested in a beautiful old atlas and who plays at being an adventurer. Both men are kind enough to pay attention to her and to take her questions seriously. She said this was a quick way to establish that they are good men of good character. She said the trouble with Jane Austen is that male characters are introduced, and then they go away for a while, and we don't know what's going on with them except indirectly, so it's important to give us a sense of who they are quickly before they disappear.
I miss the age of commentary tracks and extras
Thanks for reminding me of this. It's been too long since I watched the commentary.
Brandon may not have been as charming or dashing as Willoughby, but his persistent kindness and patience eventually won Marianne over. Also, Alan Rickman filmed the wedding scene first, joking that he got married before even saying a line.
As someone who got won over by a similar person, that's completely true.
The one eek factor is the age gap
Not in that time
@@msk-qp6fn In the film, they are both adults, and Brandon is shown to be respectful of Marianne's choices. If anything, the age gap serves the story, as it demonstrates Marianne's change in values: when before, she sought out someone with her same youthful energy, that petson was proven to be immature and uncertain. She then falls for and ultimately weds Brandon, who, because he is older, has more experience, and is mature and solid in who he is. He shows to Marianne that, while he may not share that same youthful exuberance, he is stable and consistent, because he has had more time to establish himself.
@@msk-qp6fn It seems to work for them. I think as long as both people are adults, have shared values, are attracted to each other, and - maybe most importantly - hold respect for each other, an age gap doesn't mean much in the end. Imo, it entirely depends on how well a couple clicks and how balanced the relationship is. I've found that a lot of that "eek" is based on assumption and bias, and if you personally get to know an actually happy, functional couple with an age gap, it becomes harder to judge.
I love that you can see throughout the film the Brandon is as passionate and fierce as Marianne, only years of grief made him subdued and careful. But deep down, you can still see the young man who can love as madly as Marianne
Col. Brandon is the most underrated Austen male love interest. He is my favorite and I'm so glad you showcased that. Also, the way Alan Rickman delivers his lines are just beautiful and heartbreaking.
I don't think so, I think it's Henry Tilney from Northanger Abbey or Frederick Wentworth from Persuasion. Especially after this adaptation was shown.
@@Girl-rj3qeagreed Mr Tilney is very unrated.
17:19 Another great thing about her choice in that scene was that Emma didn’t share it. Hugh Grant said in an interview about this film that Emma gave nothing away in rehearsal, so didn’t burst out weeping tilling cameras were actually rolling, so his surprise there is genuine.
That’s awesome and makes this scene even better! 😭💖
Also said he hated that she cried like that. He wanted her to stop, she said she wasn't going to, and he just went with it.
@@partipatil Oh, sorry for him because it must have been terribly awkward and some men can't stand seeing women cry (in the good sense, as they suffer when they see women crying)... but that was in the book. Elinor spends the whole book controlling her actions while heartbroken because she's in love with an engaged man. The moment she's allowed to, she collapses.
Austen's point throughout the novel is that we all have feelings, but that we need to control our actions, because letting our feeligs govern our actions without any sort of exertion will end up badly.
“The air is full of spices.” Just that one line alone made me swoon when I was a kid 😍 Alan Rickman’s voice was something else.
YES! The one line my family quotes consistently from this movie!
YES!
The voice is awesome but the man that goes with it was incomparable! We will "Always" miss him, his talent, his personality and yes, his handsomness!
A great line! My favorite was always, "Give me an occupation...or I shall run mad," which I just realized how often I have quoted in my life to people who don't know this movie. 😂
I just heard Ellie Dashwood in a TH-cam short talking about how TIME is such an important theme in Austen’s works. It’s so important to give people time to show their true character before dedicating your life to them in marriage.
That's so true!
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Your pain resonates with me. Letting go of someone dear to your heart is an immense challenge. I found myself in a comparable situation when my 12-year-long relationship ended, and I struggled to accept it. Despite my efforts to reconcile, I eventually turned to a spiritual counsellor for guidance, which eventually led to a reunion. I'm now filled with joy.
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„I like women. I think.“ The power of Alan Rickman compels thee. My favourite actor and greatest inspiration.
Alan Rickman is a worthy bisexual awakening!
It definitely is the voice!
@@MSN_63 I love his voice. Have you listened to the audiobook of Thomas Hardys „return of the native“? That is so good…🥰
@@obliviousredyeah, if I was a guy he’d definitely still be my favourite. i found it funny how they said like „oh he played Snape, the sheriff of Nottingham, hans gruber…all those nasty slimy characters, but in S&S he’s finally sexy!“ uh… I don’t know, guys… I think his „slimy“ characters are just as sexy. Snape in that cloak, Hans Gruber…or even Judge Turpin from Sweeney Todd in those frickin gold pants…
Best moment of commentary.
I really miss Alan Rickman too. Not only was he incredibly talented and full of presence, he was such a kind, decent, funny yet gentle, intelligent yet humble man. He suits portraying Col. Brandon so well because they shared such strikingly similar qualities.
I have a friend who knew him when they were all young and in the theatre world in London in the 70s. She said he really was a nice guy.
“Always!”
One of my college classmates briefly met him when we were studying in London-even in such a short interaction, he was a good guy.
"She's full on princess brideing it down." I'm Dying😂😂
THE RICKMAN CARELESS WHISPER EDIT omg 10/10
The only thing I truly miss from the film is the fantastic pure friendship between Eleanor and Brandon. So rare.
when i got the notification i was like ‘omg please talk about best friends elinor and brandon’. sitting in a room and commiserating and listening to each other is true friendship
"Give me an occupation, or I shall go mad." And she immediately finds something for him to do. True friendship, the. way he was able to say that, and the way she does it.
I love Elinor and Marianne’s relationship too. When Elinor snaps and lays everything out for Marianne and how she’s has to deal with Lucy (who is a horrible person, I loathe her), like… Marianne needed to hear that. She was young and naive and had her heart broken, true, but she was also selfish, everything was about her and her own suffering. But then when Marianne is sick and close to death, Elinor breaks down and cries, ugh, it gets me every time.
oh thank god someone else who can’t stand lucy 😭 i’m reading the book and haven’t gotten to when lucy is introduced, but in the movie she comes off as cocky and irritates me so much
On the DVD commentary, Emma Thompson has sympathy for Lucy. She's in even a worse situation than Elinor and Marianne, she's desperate so that's why she goes after Edward. In the epilog of the book, she wins over all the snobby relatives, including her mother in law and makes it to ton of society. Both of which Edward and Elinor never wanted. So she enabled everyone's happiness, including her own.
@@ginapiroli6136 she's such a good person with a great heart. Trivia: the actress who played Lucy was for a time married to Trevor Nunn (director of the original staging of the 1985 Les Miserables musical as well as the lyricist for the Memory song from Cats).
@@ginapiroli6136 it’s been a while since I’ve listened to the audio commentary, I’ll have to do that again soon. My takeaway is that she wanted wealth and privilege, why would she almost immediately decide to marry Robert if she loved Edward just because Robert was the one who has his family’s wealth? And the cynical part of me saw her winning the family over as “see, I’m just as shallow and materialistic as the rest of you.” I get that money was a huge factor for everyone especially in that era, and in this movie, so many conversations circled around money. And I understand not wanting to be destitute and fearing it, especially as a single woman, I do agree Lucy was doing what she felt was necessary for her survival. But I still found her manipulative and conniving. She knew good and well that her words to Elinor about Edward were hurtful, and that Elinor was competition. Lucy (thought) she had the upper hand and flaunted it to Elinor at every single opportunity she saw.
@@baboo3507 Wait until you read all about her in the book :-)
In the book it was even more so. He does so much for Eleanor just because of their friendship. Starting from Marianne’s heart break. He offers Edward a home and a job just because Eleanor had a high opinion of him. It was the most surprising thing I found in the book. So rare and delightful.
Colonel Brandon is THE epitome of a romantic hero, and Rickman was the perfect choice for the role. I've had what I call a "weird little crush" on Alan Rickman since Die Hard first came out. He just had whatever that quality is that draws you in, no matter his role. It doesn't hurt that I could happily just sit there and listen to him read the dictionary. His voice was magnificent.
Fun fact: when this movie was made, Emma Thompson was still married to or in the process of getting divorced from Kenneth Branagh. She and Greg Wise, who most likely started their relationship while making this film, didn't actually get married until nearly a decade later.
Even more fun fact: A fortune teller told Greg Wise he'd meet his wife on his next movie. He first went out with Kate Winslet, thinking that would be her.
Wasn't she getting divorced from Branagh because he cheated on her with Helena Bonham Carter?
@@aine.no23 If I remember correctly, yes, he and HBC started an affair while making Frankenstein.
@@aine.no23yeah so allegedly when they were both filming harry potter, they had to make sure they were never on set on the same days
@@PeacockFeatherBlue it was Kate Winslet who noticed the sparks between Emma Thompson, who was recovering from a broken heart after Kenneth Branagh's affair with Helena Bonham-Carter, and Greg Wise and suggested they date instead..
As a woman who will ALWAYS go for the good man, I can also see that, as a young woman, Marianne would appreciate a man closer to her own age who has a sense of humor and fun. Col Brandon, clearly the right guy, does NOT come across as breezy and fun. He is very serious natured and significantly older, so it’s understandable why Marianne needed some life experience to appreciate his finer qualities. She was naive because she was herself TOO YOUNG!
It's very interesting, though, because early on we do still get a glimpse here and there of Brandon having a fun side to him -- I would point out the inclusion in this video of the bit where the youngest sister runs out the door, and he stops briefly to give her a jaunty salute and a big smile. That whole bit of physical acting seems like it takes years off the character, or the perception of his age. It's a very small bit, but of course, things like that don't end up on film (and in the final cut of a movie) by chance. It's showing us a side of him that exists, but that Marianne (and others) can't see yet; literally, she isn't able to see that interaction. Others are correct that there's more going on with Brandon; his grief gives him a caution and reticence, too. But there's also just the issue of the sense of propriety of the time. Brandon is willing to be very briefly silly with a child, but he knows what the societal expectation is of how he should present himself to adults. And the film does a good job of showing us that no matter how much "fun" Willoughby is, or how spontaneous and breezy he might be, his behavior is often right on the edge of, or over the edge of, scandalous -- which might seem attractive to us, and to Marianne, but at the time wasn't a desirable trait. That bit, also shown here, of him taking her driving in the equivalent of a hot rod, with the galloping horses -- I recall reading commentary that it was meant to show that he's reckless, and the people who watch them go by are thinking badly of him for it (and a little badly of her for it, as well). It's all meant to show that he doesn't have good judgement about how to behave, and that's evidence of a deeper problem in him, of selfishness. To modern eyes, again, a bit of recklessness and rebellion against stuffy social expectations makes him seem attractive. But it reads very differently from the point of view of the time. So it's a shame that Brandon isn't freer to show the good-humored, breezy side of himself, or that Marianne doesn't get a glimpse of it earlier on. But it's definitely there.
@@gryphonvert Totally agree! Undoubtedly Willoughby will have a miserable life. Oh he will marry well, but will likely ever reach a respectable or responsible level in his life because he is self absorbed in only what he wants. Maybe he’ll think beyond himself when he has children, because I think he can’t grow until he can stop being so self-oriented.
I also agree re Col. Brandon. He has seen the havoc that being viewed as non-respectable can be, and does a great job on that. And yes we had a peek at him letting loose and happy. I’m thrilled! But I don’t think he will ever be a casually fun guy, he is inherently serious. And that’s okay, it’s great that he’s himself, and can also be happy!
Yes! Alan Rickman was attractiv as hell and his voice was just earcandy. I miss him a lot.
Have you guys seen Snow Cake? Alan Rickman and Sigourney Weaver are so good in this one.
Truly madly deeply. The first half of that film is just so good
I think it was one of his best performances. That movie is not well known and I am so glad some people talk about it (see my comment above, wrote it before landing on yours!)
Never heard of it. Will look it up. I'm also a huge fan of Truly Madly Deeply. And Jesus of Montreal for some reason - not a Rickman film but the two films remind me of the other.
Song of lunch Alan and Emma at their best❤
One of my favorite things about the first conversation with Willoughby is that Emma Thompson included sonnet 116 as Marianne’s favorite in the script. The constancy described in the sonnet is what she desires, and it is such a magical touch that it is included in that moment-she thinks she sees it in Willoughby, but of course we know it comes from Brandon.
One of my all time favorite Alan Rickman scenes is from Galaxy Quest: when the alien Quellek is dying, Rickman's character Sir Alexander Dane says his famous catchphrase, the one he's been hating all this time, suddenly realizing what it means to the other person. The way he says it... just fantastic.
Agreed. It's a HUGE revelation for him.
By Grapthar's Hammer... I Will Avenge Thee!
What I like about the Brandon-reads-to-Marianne clip that you selected is how it contrasts with Marianne's criticism of Edward's forced reading. She tells Eleanor that Edward is amiable but his reading lacked passion and feeling, and then Brandon reads in the exact way she wanted Edward to read. Further proof that Brandon is the perfect match for her.
Emma Thompson's crying is one of my favourite scenes from cinema. It's so honest and intimate that, every time I watch the film, I feel the need to avert my gaze and leave them alone. Ang Lee directed a few of my favourite films. And I've always felt that Alan Rickman is somewhat like his character here: kind, talented but quiet, and devoted to his wife for his whole life. He's a man of character, and that cannot be not attractive.
Ok, Regency ghosting just killed me dead! Seriously though, Alan Rickman was so so sooooo amazing in this role, you can't help but love him. As much as i love Elinor and Edward in all their awkward, duty-bound glory, Colonel Brandon is just so wonderful... that I can forgive Marianne for her blindness since she came to her senses in the end. Loved your reactions, you had me tearing up a couple of times!
One of my favorite Jane Austen adaptations!! Love the casting, the writing, the direction, all of it. ❤
Agreed!
It's a masterpiece. Goes to show it doesn't always have to be 4+ hours. They did it in two and all the essential things from the book are covered so we get the gist. Actually, Lucy is a lot more bitchy in the boom so the character gets off lightly in this version.
I love the scene where Edward comes to see Elinor because he goes there thinking she will chew him out or they will have a hard conversation about what he’s done. He goes anyway (in contrast to Willoughby) because he believes Elinor deserves his honesty and answers. He is shocked by her kindness and gift to him.
That’s a lovely insight
This is one of my all-time favorite movies. One reason is that the humor in it doesn't derive from someone being hurt or insulted. That is very rare. Plus, half the faculty of the Harry Potter movies are in the cast. Dolores Umbridge is married to House, and their dynamic is hilarious!
You know what? You have just reminded all of us that they could have included the Palmers on this list! And the Middletons as well, while we're at it. They do, after all, serve as other examples of matches and partnerships. I really loved the handling of the Palmers; how unfriendly Mr. Palmer seems, right up until the moment when circumstances demand his action and participation, and he steps up and is decent and kind. (At the time this movie came out, of course, House was in Hugh Laurie's future, and everyone primarily knew him as a comedic actor. I think his most prominent role before this was in Jeeves and Wooster? So to say his turn as Mr. Palmer was against type is an understatement. It's funny to look back and it and see how it hinted at his House performance to come.)
1995 gave us three AMAZING Austen adaptations - Sense and Sensibility, Persuasion and - yes - Clueless!
Emma Thompson published her filming diaries for this production. She describes Eleanor's choke sobbing breakdown, upon discovering that Edward is still free, as an unplanned channelling of something from her own life. Shortly after the untimely death of her father (the amazing Eric Thompson), Emma completely lost it in a bank or post office; she'd been fine, she'd been coping okay and then suddenly she broke down completely.
And Yes, Alan Rickman is as hot as hell. Even when he's playing a bad guy but especially in this film and in Truly, Madly, Deeply.
You forgot the 1995 Pride and Prejudice
You fellas are truly the epitome of masculinity, based on your security and ability to express your emotions.
Could you make a part 2 about the other couples? Fanny and John Dashwood, the Palmers, Lucy and Edward. You could also throw in Elinor and Marianne as the foundation of the story
Oooh, LOVE this idea!! Yes, I vote yes! Thanks for this!
I would even through in Mr. Dashwood and their mom and talk about his affection and care for them, even in death.
Yes!
Absolutely! If for no other reason than getting the scene where Fanny finds out about Lucy and Edward. 😂
Yess the sisters relationship pls!
Two grown men enjoying and discussing this movie is something my far in the past 19y/o self have never dreamed of. I needed this😂
The friendship between Brandon and Eleanor is the cutest thing ever
In my not-so-humble opinion, the best Jane Austen adaptation ever filmed is the 1995 Persuasion with Ciarán Hinds and Amanda Root. It's understated and beautiful and faithful to the book (both literally and in spirit-- they even included the canceled chapter version of the proposal!), the small changes they made make sense and work (although the change of explanation of Mr. Elliot's character makes him slightly less despicable, but I can forgive that as he's still plenty evil), and best of all it's real. People's hair isn't perfectly styled and sometimes falls down; their clothes are period accurate but look like things that are actually lived in, including showing signs of wear and getting dirty; the lighting is all natural (you mean candlelight is kind of dark still? WHAT?!?); it was filmed on location in Bath and Lyme Regis in the exact places mentioned in the book and you can actually go and SEE them; the actors that are supposed to be attractive ARE attractive without being Hollywood beautiful (and if they're wearing any makeup at all it's so subtle that I can't detect it); Anne's transformation back into beauty is subtle and believable; and for a movie with absolutely no narrator they managed to capture the inner thoughts of the characters SO WELL. The camera work and Anne's grasping of a chair back when first seeing Wentworth again? Fabulous. The fleeting expressions on faces that convey sentences of emotions? Amazing. The reading of the letter, bouncing back and forth between Anne's voice and Wentworth's? I found it hard to understand at first when the voices overlap, but now, SWOON. Having a circus in the background to distract everyone around and allow the happy couple to kiss in a public street in defiance of all social norms? SO CLEVER.
PLEASE do this version of Persuasion if and when you get to it. The 2007 one has a few good moments but ultimately completely undermines the message of the book (and what is up with making Anne run all over Bath to find Wentworth?), the 2022 Netflix one is just the worst (if you wanted to do a Fleabag version of Austen that would actually work, Northanger Abbey was RIGHT THERE, but I admit that casting Richard E. Grant as Sir Walter was inspired), but this 1995 adaptation is just perfection. It's my second-favorite Austen novel (tied with Northanger Abbey, of which there has still not been a fully satisfactory adaptation) but is my absolute favorite adaptation. The characters are SO well-drawn (poor Anne, a normal person in a family of narcissists, ugh), the relationships are fascinating, the love story SO satisfying, and I can watch this movie over and over and over and over. . .
The final kiss in that 2007 version will go down in history as the most awkward and unwatchable kiss ever to be filmed. I was unable to get through the new Netflix one (I gave up when Anne started peeing in the woods). The 1995 one is my favorite, though. I adore it!
Hard agree! As an adult Persuasion has become my favorite Austen book, and this adaptation is the best imo.
Oh man, people sleep on that one so much and it’s criminal!
i’ll have to watch, you’ve sold it so well!! i of course am in love with 2005 pride and prejudice and clueless but 2009 emma on the bbc takes the absolute cake, its so faithful to the book with fantastic performances!!
So agreed. Persuasion is the BEST Austen movie adaptation, hands down. It's not my favorite book, but it is my favorite movie. (My favorite book is also Northanger, which will always make me a little sad that there is not a great movie adaptation. The 2007 one for TV with Felicity Jones and JJ Field is not bad, but not great, either.)
Greg Wise & Emma Thompson started dating during the filming of this movie. Greg’s “witchy” friend told him he’d meet his partner on this shoot & he thought that was Kate Winslett. No sparks, so Kate suggested he go on a date w/Emma. Thanks, Graham Norton show for this fun fact
It's so impressive that they have incredible on-screen chemistry and it's all just a performance!
"He's the opposite of a Nice Guy, hes a good man". Perfect!
I met Alan Rickman in 1991. He wasn't in a great mood, but still gave me time and an autograph. 😊
So the first thing I ever saw Alan Rickman in was this movie. So seeing him later in villain roles was hard for me! This man will always be Colonel Brandon and there will never be a better one. ❤
Never clicked on a video so fast. I adore this movie. It is peak High Grant, until Paddington 2 at least. Emma Thompson is such a a fantastic writer and actress!
My family had this running joke for years where we'd act like we had a secret and then whisper "Edward and I have been secretly engaged these 5 years past."
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Did you not see The Man from U.N.C.L.E. 2015 remake?
To answer your question Alan: yes, this is in fact the best Jane Austen adaptation of all time. I do in fact make the rules
No you don't. Northanger Abby is by far the best.
If we're talking strictly movies, then I agree. If not, then it's the 1995 Pride and Prejudice miniseries, which is my favorite adaptation of any kind.
@@korganrocks3995 Agreed. Or, I'd rank them side by side, at least. I watch P&P more often, but Sense and Sensibility takes the cake as an example of beautiful filmmaking!
I prefer the Lizzy Bennet Diaries
@@melanie62954 Sense and Sensibility is certainly more cinematic and dramatic, which is something that can also be said about the 2005 Pride and Prejudice, which is what I tell myself the fans of that movie enjoy in order to not go crazy at the thought of someone preferring it to the 1995 version! 😄
Brandon is so my type of guy - I’m much younger than my current boyfriend but one of the reasons why it works is because his kindness, much like Brandon, is bottomless. He’s continually by my side, morally supportive of me, respects my boundaries and choices, and most importantly he SHOWS UP. Everything I love about my boyfriend, is everything I love about Brandon. In turn it brings out the desire for me to be reciprocal to his support, helpfulness, respectful nature, and compassion.
Plus, come on. Alan Rickman. I had such a huge crush on him starting at 12. It didn’t die until 3 years after he did.
Persuasion (1995) has my vote for best Austen adaptation.
Thank you Jono for praising Clueless as the best film Jane Austen adaptation. Also as much as I simp for Mr. Bingley I will die on my “Cnl Brandon is the ultimate fictional good guy chivalry model if you are a man and struggling with niceness please be like him” hill. Big Jane Austen fan is all excited that CinemaTherapy loves her work!
You need Northanger Abbey's Mr. Tilney and there's o going back!
@@crystalward1444 My *Regency and Victoriana aunt has told me the same!!! She loves him! I’ll take your word for it and watch the one with JJ Feild because he is mega yummy.
Clueless is such a well done adaptation, it keeps the core of the story while making it 90s. Really clever!
@@crystalward1444 Thank you! I was going to say that! Mr. Tilney is the GOAT. Or at least in the Austenverse.
@@brynbailey7132It really is, and I think Jane Austen would actually appreciate it. She had a sense of humor and would love to know her work was made to connect to newer generations for longevity
Colonel Brandon is PEAK Zaddy Alan Rickman!
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Agreed. He could take me on any battlefield.
Okay so I don't ruin my Google search history, what the hell is "zaddy"? Some portmanteau of "daddy" and something else, I figure?
@@SinHurr Basically an attractive older man with charisma and magnetism.
My favourite thing about Hugh Grant's declaration scene is the fact that she doesn't stop crying until right at the end, nor do they significantly reduce the volume on the sound - nope, he gets his beautiful , romantic scene of declaring his undying love with the strings swelling...punctuated with loud sobbing and gasping. It's glorious. 🤣🤣
I was hoping you might highlight the subtle look on Colonel Brandon's face when Marianne says "thank you" after he brings her mother. It's such a chef's kiss.
Emma Thompson's crying at the end was so brilliant because you can just see all the emotions she's stuffed down and tried to bury the entire film out of a sense of duty and responsibility just come spewing out all at once, like a clogged pipe that's finally been unclogged and all the filth and dirty water that's been held back just flows until it runs clean.
As someone who identifies with Elinor very much (firstborn, type A, people pleaser, compliant) I've bottled up my own feelings for the sake of others to my own detriment many times and when it all bursts out, there's not much you can do but let it flow to till it's all out.
This was my first exposure to Jane Austin, I don't remember how old I was (in my early teen mebbe?) when I saw this movie but I remembering seeing Colonel Brandon and thinking 'this is the kind of man I want to marry' hopefully I'll find him someday
Omg, me too!
Also, the piano is really special, because Brandon bought it specifically to fit Maryanne’s sitting room, meaning that even if she chooses not to marry him, he still wants her to be happy and have a piano. It’s really beautiful. It’s a love based in support of her dreams and interests.
If you saw him and truly madly deeply, you already knew Alan Rickman as a devastatingly wonderful leading man. That remains one of my favorite movies.
I just finished reading Alan Rickman’s Diary. Who knew? He wrote in a diary every day up until a few days before his death. Such insight into his day to day life. Highly recommend.
I so want to see you two react to Galaxy Quest. The movie's a goldmine of acting, meta humour and a commentary on fan culture.
I only went to see that movie because my husband wanted to see it and I went along. It's now one of my favourites.
By Grabthar's hammer, that's a great idea!
I just saw that movie 2 days ago and it became an instant favourite. It has so much heart.
@@carolineben-ari2798I had to make my husband see Galaxy Quest in the theater. I used the unassailable logic: I don't care how cheesy the promos are! It's an Alan Rickman film, that means it doesn't suck.
Also an excellent commentary on actors who’ve hated being pigeonholed by one role, only to embrace it many years later.
In Edward's defence, he couldn't tell Elinor that he's engaged, because
1) They didn't know eachother that well and it was not a custom to throw personal stuff on people, especially if they weren't a "public information".
2) It was frown upon to get engaged without the blessing of both families, so he would admit to being dishonest to his family.
3) Talking about secret engagement meant that he would break the secret that he promised to keep for his fiance. In contrast, Lucy breaks that secret out of vanity, which shows that she can't be trusted, she wants to feel the tryumph over Elinor.
Thank you so much for bringing this up. It is important to be fair.
I like this ranking for how it acknowledges that relationships with big age gaps can be healthy too. Getting tired of how such relationships are often judged as 'disgusting' or inappropriate, even if it would be based on genuine respect and understanding.
Agreed!
Yes, its the best adaptation of Jane Austen. Ang Lee's beautiful shots and Emma Thompson's screenplay are magic together. Thompson was technically still married to Kenneth Branagh at the time, but he was fooling around with Helena Bonham Carter while he filmed Frankenstein. Thompson and Wise met on this film and are still married. Also, I've heard interviews with Hugh Grant about her crying throughout the end 'really, you're going to cry over all my dialogue?' Too funny. She's my all-time favorite actress.
Emma Thompson also wrote much of the script for the 2006 Pride and Predjudice adaptation. Joe Wright, the director, mentions in his commentary that some of the most powerful scenes were written by Thompson, and you can tell because they are such great scenes for an actor to work with. She's pretty great.
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@@jennicathlin is this the movie with the older British Bill Nye in it ? I loved that one !
Hugh is also handsome and has amazing hair too
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Whoever is doing the editing is fantastic. The bit where Jono says “I like women.. I think” and it cuts to the X files theme with the bi flag in the back KILLED me
This film is my fave version of this novel. Colonel Brandon is the worthy man. He is like the eye in the storm. I'm always glad when Marriane overcomes the age difference and realizes/falls in love with, what a wonderful person he is. (Alan Rickman was such an amazing actor!)
Sense And Sensibility from Ang Lee is one of those movies I can watch daily and NEVER be sick from it. Because the acting is so accentuated and has depth, that I always, ALWAYS find something new in every scene. Masterfully done.
You shoud do the 1995 Persuasion. It's definately in the running for the best Austen adaptation!
Yes! Colin Firth is a league of its own! His Mr. Darcy and Alan Rickman's Brandon are my favourits!
Oh, agreed, whole-heartedly! Amanda Root and Ciaran Hinds are pitch-perfect as Anne and Wentworth. I love Amanda Root's casting, especially.
I loooove that movie. Ciaran Hinds and Amanda Root are great in it.
Why did I not know this existed? I have to check it out now. I thought we were done for with the Netflix adaptation.
In Edward’s defence: being open about his engagement sounds great on paper, but it was a secret engagement for a reason. He would’ve been disowned if it came out and eventually was when it did. So, he was not going to confide it to a random stranger he just met. Later, when things become more serious he does try to tell her but they get interrupted and then separated by his sister, who sees what’s going on.
The first time I saw Alan Rickman was in an indie British romantic comedy - "Truly, Madly, Deeply." The performances were *chef's kiss* and though I haven't seen it for a while, would recommend it. He was so deeply talented and versatile.
I love how the dog is caring dor Alan each time he’s crying.
One of my favorite movies together with pride and Prejudice with Keira Knightley. Alan Rickman here played the perfect man ❤ Gentle, attentive, deep, etc...
As ive gotten older, sense and sensibility has become my favorite adaptation
Gandalf comforting Alan at the end so cute!
No Mr and Mrs Palmer?! What about Fanny and John Dashwood?! Their relationships are so interesting, even if fleeting, in the movie. Hugh Laurie was magnificent.
You are completely correct with the ranking of course. ❤COL Brandon
John was a fool. He didn't know Fanny was in love with him all along. He is just thinking getting the pretty girl 1st. He takes the whole movie or book to realized she is the right person for him.😢
I’ve been watching a lot of Dr. Octavia Cox on TH-cam, she does a lot of breakdowns of Jane Austen’s books, and the relationships and society depicted, that are SO interesting. I believe she goes into the relationships you mentioned
The Palmer marriage is definitely not a good one, he mocks her constantly, he degrades her opinions. It reminds me of the Bennett marriage.
I love the Palmers. 😊
My favorite romantic comedy with Alan Rickman is Truly, Madly, Deeply. He is very over-the-top though. If you want to see a truly subtle interaction, he is excellent in the movie Close My Eyes. There's a scene when his wife comes home from cheating on him, and he knows it, he's discovered it by accident... He is so quiet and restrained in his reactions to her, but you know it's tearing him apart inside.
Truly Madly Deeply would be an AMAZING one for them to cover.
I love Truly, Madly, Deeply! Such a sweet and quirky film.
I love that movie.
Emma Thompson understands Jane Austen so well. I'm still waiting for her to adapt the other Austen books into screenplays.
This was one of my favorite movies when I was a teen and it was solely because I had a massive crush on Alan Rickman. That man could have carved my heart out with a spoon and I would have been grateful.
I just don't see how any true Austen fan (or at least, fan of this Austen adaptation) will debate Brandon/Marianne winning out over Elinor/Edward. Brandon wins. Hands down. He is one of the best. And how Alan Rickman plays him makes him even more so. I could watch for ages simply his introductory scene, when he's mesmerized by Marianne singing. I am mesmerized in turn. I recently re-read the book, so this was excellent timing and even further motivation to watch the movie again. Thanks! I must admit, though, I was hoping you would include John and Fanny Dashwood in the couples ranking, just so the audience could enjoy the brilliant Harriet Walter being so horribly awful in the most hilarious way to poor, spineless James Fleet. Gosh, how I both hate and love her in this film. Okay, I just love all the cast in this film. (Ooh, or Imelda Stauntion and Hugh Laurie as the Palmers! I would have LOVED to see a reaction to them, minimal as their parts are. They make an impression.)
Those two are so funny in this movie, are they a worse couple than Marianne and Willowby? Or are they slightly better?
@@cbpd89 Worse, definitely worse, and I'll tell you why. John Dashwood has the makings of a decent man and he would be, if he were married to someone like Jane Bennet or Jane Fairfax or Anne Wentworth (a.k.a. women who care about their relations). Instead, John Dashwood is married to Fanny Ferrars, who is obsessed with wealth and position. She and her brother, Robert, are two peas in a pod - how that family even got such a gentleman as Edward, I'll never know. Anyway, the first scene of the movie is John Dashwood going to visit his father on his deathbed. The estate and the money pass to John as the eldest son, so his half-sisters get almost nothing. They get 500 pounds a year while John gets the rest. In today's money, that would be close to 35,000 pounds a year, so not easy to live on, especially if you're used to more, but doable depending on where you are. Mr. Dashwood, the dying father, makes his son promise to help his half-sisters financially, give them money for their dowries, help them live. Fanny Dashwood, almost immediately, starts conniving how to keep the money. John means to give them 3,000 pounds, which would set them up for the rest of their lives, but Fanny says that would put their baby son's future in ruins. (No, it wouldn't.) She manages to talk him out of giving them any money, then proceeds to kick the women out of the only home the girls have ever known. So yeah, they're the worst simply because she married him for his cash, relationship aspects had nothing to do with it, and she brings out the worst in him. Go look up Dr. Octavia Cox's video on the worst marriages in Jane Austen, which is where I got some of these talking points. Spoiler alert: John and Fanny Dashwood are #3 for this exact reason. Leagues worse than Marianne and Willoughby.
@@cbpd89 Ooh, good question. Because as individuals, they're not great. Fanny is greedy and elitist, and John, while a little more good-natured, is still at heart rather selfish and pretty spineless. So maybe that means as a couple they're well-matched? But you do still see her dominating him and wheedling him to go against any of his more generous instincts, which is not indicative of a healthy couple, either. Hmm. So where would they rank? At this point I'm not exactly sure, haha.
@@hansbmd20great analysis! And I agree 💯
@@hansbmd20 I read a fanfic once called "a more amiable woman" or something, which switched wives for John Dashwood and Mr Palmer, which explores the concept. I don't remember much about it except that it was fun to see John Dashwood's tentative attempts at selfishness and greed get misinterpreted by his amiable wife into something more generous, like him suggesting he give them each a thousand pounds, and his wife assuming he meant as a gesture of good faith to prove to his stepmother that he means to take good care of her and his half-sisters, forcing him to pretend that of course that's what he intended all along! 😄
Out of all the male characters in this movie the most attractive was indeed Alan Rickman. It was something in his eyes and his mannerism that made him so wonderful
Any discussion of Alan Rickman hotness should cite Truly, Madly, Deeply which is one of the best rom-coms of all time. There would be lots in that movie to apply cinema therapy to, as well.
The moment when Alan said "God, I miss that guy" and soaked into tears makes me crazy emotional all over again. I miss Alan Rickman too and barely can watch this movie, especially the moment when Col. Brandon was reading Shakespeare’s sonnets to Marianne. Kate Winslet is incredibly lucky to be there at the time.
Also, Jonathan's bisexual panic is SO relatable. I thought for a really long time I was gay, but my heart has always been absolutely blessed to see Alan's performance.
And for a ranking - coudn't agree more!
Thank you so much for this particular video (as long as many others) ❤
Cinema Therapy and my favourite Austen? YEAH OK THEN
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Have you ever considered talking about Fiddler on the Roof?
That would be fantastic! That's one of my favorite movies!
YES!! A video on how Tzeitel, Hodel, and Chava make their own choices, how each one is more progressive, and how Tevye responds to them and to the changing times. That'd be great!!
And it’s SUCH a tearjerker! “Do you love me?”
YES, PLEEEEASE! All my votes for that!
I also appreciate the movie A Little Chaos with Kate W and Alan R. Not a romance between them, but an excellent movie.
RIP Alan. My God, he could read cereal boxes to me!
I love that y'all are just thirsting over Austen leads
Cinema Therapy should analyze Jane Eyre or Wuthering Heights next for relationship therapy.
Is there a good film adaptation if Wuthering Heights? Haven't seen any myself, just a couple of sappy love stories that had little to do with the original story
There’s the 1939 version with Laurence Olivier as Heathcliff. 1992, version, 1998
Jono saying "Watch movies" while Alan cries is perfect. sums up this channel. haha
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"He is the polar opposite of a nice guy... he is a good man" 👏👏👏 Colonel Brandon being my favorite Austen hero (and just one of my faves in general) I relished this greatly indeed.
"In every circumstance he's going to do right by people, he's going tobe respectful, and he's going to make himself useful"... you're putting everything into words that I've felt about him. This was all so good!!
The way Jonathan said he remembered the down the nose look that he had gotten in high school a lot, so relatable. Thank you guys for making these videos, not being afraid of looking vulnerable. A bit of a tear in the Alan's eye when he spoke about how much Alan Rickman is missed now. Thank you. i'm going to revisit the movie, even though I know it by heart already. Love from Russia. PS: and yes, Alan Rickman has always been hot. Even as greasy haired Snape.
what I personally see and love about Brandon's character (as portrayed by Alan Rickman) is the sense that he met marianne where she was at. He fell in love with her but also respected her. he seemed to accept the role he was given by her be it friend, annoyance, older brother, even a father figure. When she fell in love with him, he never pushed her. like instead of going "you love me now so you are mine," it felt more delicate and genuine of "she may seem to return my feelings but i wont act on it unless she is absolutely sure," he courted her yet made sure she was comfortable and the ball was in her court (in a mature way, often guys that leave things to the woman come across as almost manipulative and disinterested, like Willoughby lol)
Im not usually one to care about age gaps but this one always felt strange since he essentially has an adopted daughter marianne's age. But still, I really loved how kind, good, and genuine colonel brandon is.
if you guys every cover Jane Eyre Id love your insight on that relationship, I personally hated it and could NOT see how it was romantic but curious what you guys would have to say about it
Sense & Sensibility was the first movie I saw him in. And he plays perfectly the attraction at first sight trope during the piano scene. I’ve been crying for a few years now over the loss of Alan Rickman. “We shall never see his like again.”
0:54 always nice to see a Psych reference out of the blue
In defense of Edward Ferrars, “my fiancée left me for my older brother, but I’ve not loved her for years anyway,” is an awkward thing to say in any time and place.
Great, now I want to watch this movie again ❤️(for the 200th time, probably)
You have no idea how grateful I am this came TO-DAY. This movie is and has been in my top favorite movies of all time.
Alan and his epic scenes! "Give me an occupation or I shall go mad" and then his action. wow! His willingness. wow... what a man! No matter how often I see it, my mouth still drops.
You can almost hear the switch in Elinor's crying as it goes from processing what she heard, to relief that she doesn't have to carry the burden of love alone any more, to disbelief that she had ever considered carrying it alone to begin with, and finally to joy as she realises its real. She really made it feel as if she'd been holding her breath the whole time and somebody just told her it's ok to breathe. Her acting is so amazing in this!