Relationship Therapist cringes at DATING in TWILIGHT
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ค. 2024
- Are Bella and Edward the cutest couple in cinematic history? Or a teenage, train-wreck, cautionary tale?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker, and unlicensed filmmaker Alan Seawright dig in to the 2007 megablockbuster TWILIGHT to figure out whether you should emulate Bella Swan and Edward Cullen, move to Forks, Washington, or just buy a steel drum full of body glitter.
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0:00 Start
0:24 Welcome to Cinema Therapy!
2:38 Alan’s sordid history with Twilight
4:24 Is he attracted to her? Repulsed by her?
7:42 Alan is Jonathan’s movie-wife
8:14 2 kinds of defensiveness
9:54 This is an attempt at Pride and Predjudice
11:16 Dutch angles make things INTERESTING!
12:53 The book is bad. Sorry.
14:26 Why are women attracted to the “bad boy”?
17:00 Is Edward a bad boy with a heart of gold?
20:50 Bella is a deeply stupid person - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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A wise person once said, “When you wear rose-colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags.”
Bojack Horseman is an amazing show
I actually had rose colored glasses but sadly they went missing
Same person who was in a coma for 30 years
Pink flags lol
😂
Bella spent 5 movies wanting a boyfriend but all she needed is therapy
Bella x therapy would've been great
Especially in New Moon.
@@bigolsimp9423 bella x not ugly facial expressions when interacting with Edward,
wouldve been better
I am Bella. I need therapy 💀
@@kathycastillo388 well... considering the world we are living in... dont we all need need therapy?
Edward: I'm a murderer
Bella: but abs
Edward: I can't control myself
Bella: but sparkles
Edward: R-U-N A-W-A-Y F-R-O-M M-E
Bella: but hair
😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is TOO accurate lol
😂😂😂 Why isnt she calling the police?
@@kerowyn31 because that band broke up like decades ago, my mate
@@AlinaAniretake🎵 Don't stand so close to me 🎵 lol
Robert Pattinson has talked about how he really wanted to play up the horror aspect because he found Edward creepy and wanted to play him that way. He almost got fired from the film because they told him he was too creepy and had to remind him he was supposed to be playing a love interest lol
Y'know, Edward being creepy makes more sense when you think about it
@@psychek7355 petition to remake Twilight, going exactly the same except Bella sees this absolute red flag crap for what it is and ends with Edward getting arrested /j
It would have been a better movie if Twilight went in that direction.
Would've been better if they made *all* the actors play their roles with a horror angle
How old is that guy (Edward)?
Pattinson got it completely right, this guy IS creepy.
The reason P&P works and Twilight doesn't is that Elizabeth Bennet doesn't like Mr. Darcy when he's rude, but Bella loves Edward when he's downright homicidal.
SO true.
and also, when darcy acts like an ass (1st proposal) and Elizabeth cusses him out for it, he ACKNOWLEDGES that, and TRIES TO BE A BETTER PERSON! in comparison the collins, who both denies and doubles down. it's only when darcy proves that he's made himself better, that she starts to fall for him. and by the time of the 2nd proposal, he's... not a different person, but the best version of himself. and it's only then that she accepts him
Thank you for defending P&P because i came into the comments purely for that XD
Exactly. Elizabeth is a strong character and she stands up to Darcy when he's rude.
What’s P&P?
One day i was talking with a friend and she said that if twilight was played in reverse it would be about bella moving to phoenix to escape her abusive stalker. Which honestly sounds way closer to what she should be doing in this situation.
LOL. We said pretty much exactly the same thing, haha!
Sounds like a way cooler story.
Sounds WAY better and presents a message of healing after abuse and might be something that girls need to be taught
@@CinemaTherapyShow movie suggestion: Romeo & Juliet 1968
Guys I know what I’m going to do today
Edit 1: ok so the end scene is actually a strong first scene for the abusive relationship plot, not so much vampires so you would rework the story in your mind. Like I started it when Bella goes down the stairs and when you watch to the end it’s like Bella has a disease or something because she keeps talking about wanting to die or live forever and her leg is broken. Or maybe he’s abusive and broke it and she’s also depressed because of him. Make your own conclusion if you watch it this way that’s the fun about it. However I’m having trouble finding the next scene. I might skip the climax bits because 1) they are way too connected for me to find a spot to pick up on 2) this movie ends at the prom and the scene before was dealing with the vampires. Trust me tho the movie seems like an indie film about abuse when you do it this way.
What's even crazier is with Edward he says "I've killed people before" and she says "I don't care" but with Jacob when she THINKS he might've killed someone all of a sudden it's "you need to stop because it's wrong"...like WTF bella?!!!!!
She is holding them to totally different standards for two reasons.
1. She met both under different circumstances and thus knows Jacob as the good guy she compares him to. Edward is frozen in time, not just as a vampire, but also because she has not that much of a time frame, she has known him for.
2. Horny
Different standard cause they’re different species. Wolves aren’t here to kill people. For a vampire it’s food.
Attraction trumps a lot of things. I was once given a reason for rejection which suddenly was not a problem for her with the next guy.
Well I think if he told her he's killing people right now, she'd tell him to stop too... But yeah she's neglecting what he has done because vampires are cool™
@@100percentep I would argue no. She would find something to make it seem alright.
Like women find excuses for their partners actively mistreating them and pulling all other sortsa of bullshit.
Honestly, Bella is pretty lucky that she ended up with Edward, because the whole "I don't care that you've killed people" thing would have resulted in her being found dead in a ditch if it was anyone but Edward
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That's honestly a fair point!
yeah, with a slightly different twist they could have been a serial killer team, with her eventually elevated to equal partner at the end of the series.
Dark
I think you're nailing it. If, for some reason, you perceive the world as a dangerous place, becoming the side kick of the most dangerous being out there seems like a valid tactic. It's basically the minion instinct. However, as all movies and reality tell us, it always backfires as the evil overlord sacrifices his minions without a single thought.
“If anyone treats you the way he is treating her, do not pursue; I don’t care how high his hair goes”
This is my new favourite quote
oh my 🤣
Ikr!!
@Bilge me too 😂😂
"I don't know how he's clearing some of these doorways"....... Seriously laughed so hard!!
We need this on merch
"I am a murderer."
*"I trust you."*
Seems legit.
"I trust that you are a murderer". Would have been a line that changes the whole story
Idk seems kinda sus.
Understandable have a great day
Yeah I trust you to kill me
Plus he justified killing humans by because they were bad people. So why didn't he have them sent to jail? That's what him and Carlisle do in Midnight Sun. Justifying killing bad people was very strange to me.
“He courts Bella the way Batman terrifies criminals.”
lol 😂
Lol 😂
And then he ended up being Batman
before i was allowed to read the twilight series (i wanted to know what all the fuss was about) my mom made me read an article about the 17 signs of abuse in romantic relationships and how edward and bella hit each one, just to make sure i didn't think their relationship was anything healthy
Your mom is the MVP!
mind sharing the article link??
That is actually genious.
this is smart but the signs of abuse are usually way more extreme than Bella and Edward. Their relationship isn’t healthy but to me it seems like they’re both consenting to such a thing? they’re both into it? sure they may need some therapy but it’s not as scary and extreme as the signs in the article. Like Edward never tried to insult, yell at her, humiliate or hit her as a way to control her. he didn’t do a lot of things the articles say abusive partners do.
Smart. Way to go Mom.
"I am the Imposter"
"I Trust you. Will you watch me do medbay scan"
Corpse: I am the imposter
Literally anyone ever: I trust you. Will you watch me do medbay scan?
@@Six3r721 lmao! I don’t know why that made me laugh even more than Joanna’s joke. That low register, authoritative voice is so coaxing!
Ah yes XD the modern and kid friendly version of what they said
I literally had someone do that to me one game xD they sus i was imposter but still trusted me xD
Or you make friends with the two imposters and create a currupt system for your own elite group 😆
"I'm a murderer"
"Fine 👁👄👁"
“Fine! LETS GET MARRIED”
“Fine let’s have a kid!!!”
“Fine, let’s bring our kid to a staring contest that masks a war between our family and the “royals” ”
“Fine! Lets have a kid, bring it to a war between the royals and us, then reserve the child for my childhood friend to date!”
Yandere red flag?
I literally used these books and movies to explain stalking and what unhealthy relationships look like for my daughter. I had not heard of the books before she wanted to read them in middle school, so I read ahead of her and decided we should read together. Then when the movies came out, we discussed them further. Seriously, if you wake up and a boy is in your room watching you sleep, you call the police you don't date them. If a man tells you that he murders people you run away and do not date them. It was a great learning tool.
You sound like a great mom.
if anyone tells you they murder people, CALL THE POLICE. or really anything Edward-y
Feel like everyone knows that? I feel like people should go deeper talking about this, not just surface level “ if guy tells you they kill people, call the police”.
Yes!! I did that too. I used to be surprised that other parents •didn’t• read the books their kids were really into.
when people don't even consistently apply the obvious life lessons you can't move on to the less obvious ones.
jonathon and alan screaming “WHY!” in the intro is me through the whole movie
Same
Bc she was unconditionally and irrevocably in love with Edward
Me to I hated Twilight so much, I never understood why my friends loved both the books and movies. The only good thing was how the wolf transformation was done in the movie.
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Once I read a tweet saying that Edward couldn't read Bella's mind because her mind was a total blank and she didn't have any opinion/thought/idea. Highly on-point..
It was because she had special defensive powers. So Edward couldnt read her mind,
@@why_not_though6250 now that's lazy writing
@@why_not_though6250 No. That's just something Meyer pulled out of her ass later.
@@why_not_though6250 thats what they want you to think
seems legit
I honestly find it hilarious how much Robert Pattinson hated his role in Twilight. I once heard a story that when a bunch of fans calling, "EDWARD!" crowded him, only one yelled, "CEDRIC!" (his role in Harry Potter), they were the only fan that left with an autograph that night. Not sure if that's true, but I wouldn't put it past him. I love his other movies. His acting is wonderful.
We just filmed our NEW MOON episode today. He looks like he's in pain the entire film. We're pretty sure it's not acting but rather his actual feelings doing another of these movies.
Robert Pattinson’s acting as Cedric is much more better than Twilight (coming from a potter head hufflepuff)
@@ghostprince9247 i'm a potterhead hufflepuff too!
@@deinodinosuchus YEEEE! HUFFLEPUFFS UNITE! XD
@@ghostprince9247 Let us show all the other potterheads what we are made of!
I think something that is a huge part of Bella's character, but what isn't really brought up in the films like it is in the books, is that she had to basically parent both herself and her mother. She was the one who made sure the groceries, the cooking, the chores were done, the bills got paid. She had to be steady where her mother was flighty. Part of her attraction and want to be a vampire I feel is that she is the one being looked after by Edward, by the Cullen's, and if she changes, she can forever be looked after. I think it's even more apparent in new moon, but Bella is Hella depressed, and she clings to the idea of forever and family that Edward gives her, BC she doesn't know what other options she has.
That's damn sad.
Great insight
And she could be a vampire, so powerful, finally something thrilling in her life
And in the books she was the one pursuing the relationship.
Another big difference between this story and Lizzy and Darcy is that Elizabeth does not stand for bullshit. She calls him out on his bad behavior and doesn’t allow herself to swoon over someone who has treated her poorly.
That’s a good point - and possibly one he was heading towards, when he talked about “why Pride and Prejudice works, and Twilight doesn’t”
In the books, we are told that her all time favourite book is “Wuthering Heights” …which is also about toxic, and abusive, relationships between the main characters!
EVERY character in Wuthering Heights is an assh*le! They’re all horrible people! Heathcliff didn’t start awful, but was treated like dirt, by almost everyone. Cathy was terrible from the start - and she was only a child then.
…except maybe Heathcliff’s son, and Catherine’s daughter, at the end. They might have been ok - once everyone they knew moved away, or died.
Totally
I picked up a random version of Twlight in a thrift store (those books you can always rely on to find in thrift stores cheap), and literally Stephanie Meyer said that each books was based on a famous romance novel. Twlight is based on Pride and Prejudice, but somehow, I can’t see the connection.
Fun fact she blinks a lot because of the contact lenses, she said they were really uncomfortable
Poor girl, there was no need for her to be exactly like her description in the books.
@@nightnaughty i mean she was supposed to be awkward af although i dont like twilight i do appreciate the aesthetic of the movie
@@rosavanesa2399 the personality i agree, but the physicall aspect right down to her eyes if it didn't affect the performance there was no need, except when she turns into a vampire
Actually No one wanted this FUN FACTS OF HER BLINKING, cause even though she had normal blinking ratio, that movie SUCKED. PERIOD.
I tried to wear colorful contact lenses and almost die, fuck they are SO uncomfortable, like when something's in your eye but CONSTANTLY. I know I know they're supposed to be comfy if they're ok but shit did I cry a lot
Bella: “I don’t care”
Both men: “WHY????”
Pure gold.
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Indeed
I asked the same loud and my sister started laughing so hard
OK, to be completely fair to Edward, in the books he reveals that the people he killed were rapists, murderers, and the lowest of the low. However, they left this out in the movie. Personally, I think they should've kept that information in. It would've worked well to develop his character better.
@@Akiku2 he still killed them, so he is still a murderer
Edward literally spends the first half of the first movie throwing red flags in Bella's face while she just completely ignores them.
"When you look at someone with rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags"
-Bojack Horseman
I think the main issue with Bella is that she feels alone and betrayed. Her mum literally chose her new relationship over Bella. Now imagine a teenager, who probably feels lonely and unsupported, move in with a person she doesn't even know that well. And she chooses Edward in hopes of being loved and accepted
No amount of loneliness justifies being in a relationship with a fu*kn vampire
@@dominiquechristine you thinking like a person who probably has somewhat to good relationships with her parents. Having divorced parents is already traumatic (it really is), but then being parentified by the mother, and then the mother abandons you for a new relationship and sent to live with the absent father really would mess with either a son or a daughter. People suffering that badly get messed up, and they have really messed up internal compasses of how love is, and they sometimes/often end up with other really messed up people because that's what love has been taught to them. I've been so lonely i've been with really hurtful people out of sheer soul crushing loneliness.
Seriously, i feel like you have no idea what you are talking about.
@@Anwelei You know what, I didn't really think about it that way, but you're right and you made some very good points.
@Anwelei -- A vastly under-discussed point, imo.
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Bella raised herself, raised her immature and honestly (speaking as a person with ADHD; if you are one and you know it, you tend to recognize your own kind) probably undiagnosed and untreated ADHD mother, and then went to live with her once-physically still-emotionally absent father (who reads like he has chronic depression, if he's not just a victim of bad writing and the absent-parent trope needed for many YA plots to occur) in a by-then almost completely unfamiliar place.
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She never had time to have fun or be a child, because she had to be the responsible adult in her household. She's deeply insecure because she knows all the way down to her bones that she has no parent to rely on for emotional comfort or physical protection or even probably financial stability.
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She's confused and then flattered by having bad unhealthy attention because she's shocked and pleased to have ANY attention, but especially by some (literally) dazzling enigma of a 'boy' the likes of which nearly the entire town's worth of adolescent girls put up on a Want List pedestal. It validates her entire existence...
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Until it starts to highlight how lowly and unspecial and going-to-age *human* she is in comparison. Which then needs to be cured by becoming not-human, and shiny, and special (even amongst the already-shiny), and then she'll finally be worthy!!!
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(With a minor detour to satisfy Edward's demands for marriage and then quickly fulfill her purpose as a female to -- self-sacrificingly -- procreate, but without any of that pesky need to put in the hours to survive raising an infant or earn a toddler's trust and/or cooperation. THEN she'll be perfect and deserving to be drowned in riches and ease and adoration!)
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^ Totally not the harmful subconscious mentality of victims of neglect and/or abuse! Really!
@dominiquechristine -- You know, kudos for your humility and having the maturity and graciousness to own up to re-thinking your original opinion and/or argument. That's an uncommon response, especially on the internet.
The reason Pride and Prejudice is good and this isn't is that Elizabeth stands up to Darcy and wittily tells him off. She doesn't accept him until he proves himself to be a good man under his cold and proud exterior. He also does not stalk, threaten, or harm her and respects her independent mind.
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Yas!!! Pride and Predjudice is one of my top 5 favorite movies ever! So freaking good!
@@aubreycarter7624 You should watch the series (1995), it's much better.
@@aliisahyy9269 Definitely! I love Colin Firth's and Jennifer Ehle's chemistry
@@aliisahyy9269 Yes! The 1995 mini-series is far superior and is actually faithful to the novel. It captures the Jane Austen spirit. Firth and Ehle's chemistry is more unaffected and natural. The film, on the otherhand, is _way_ too hammy, overwrought, and pretentious for my liking.
Women like bad boys ON SCREEN. I don't have a single female friend who's ever legitimately pursued a "bad boy" in real life.
Yeah... pretty much we are too scared of being murdered by them...
@@elizatilsizoglou5946 Exactly. It's similar to how many people (of any gender or sexuality) like anti-heroes or well-written villains in movies but that doesn't mean they admire or want to associate with actual bad people in real life. What we are attracted to or entertained by in cinema does not always translate to real life. It really bugs me that "women love bad boys" has been applied to real life and passed off as common knowledge. I do have one college friend that dated a string of "bad boys" in college but I don't like to label it as that because she was really just selecting abusive partners due to trauma from childhood abuse. She's since stopped due to facing that trauma and seeking help. But that's not a case for "women love bad boys hehe eye-roll." Euphemizing the fact that a small percentage women romanticize or pursue abusive partners is bullcrap. Repeating the (supposed) aphorism that "women love bad boys" (irl) implies that it is something inherent or instinctual and NOT a manifestation of unhealthy attitudes that can be fixed with mental help. Which is just plain inaccurate.
Not exactly the same but I have a huge interest in Azula from Avatar the last airbender. This is because psychology intrigues me, especially the psychology of someone who is mentally ill. I enjoy trying to rationalize and discover the motives behind what Azula does and her decisions.
I would never want to be with someone like Azula, and the "bad boy/girl" thing isn't my type, but it relates to your comment "women like bad boys _on screen_ ."
Only thing I can think of is the sort of draw to boys who are scruffy. Like not jerks but a little wild, maybe grew up poor because sometimes the people who have had it good their whole lives get entitled and blind to certain things
Frankly, I really had a female friend who treated the only good guy she was attracted to really BAD, but was chasing after bad guy like you have no idea! And I am really glad that she was my friend and NOT my love interest.
I'm two years late, but about 14:25, as someone attracted to "bad" people, the kick comes from having the douch be nice to you because they love you. Nothing makes you more special than that, and it's very frequently used in movies. It's generally more about the "you're the only one" that is seen in Twilight, but here you also get the "I love you so much that I'll stay away from you".
I think it's important to remind ourselves that if someone is an ass to other people, they'll eventually be an ass to you. Infatuation fades and you're left with the fundamentals of the relationship
Yes yes very true! Make sure they are a good person from heart and not only nice to you alone!
Thank you, I can relate to this very much.
That's sweet. Now go to bed, it's a school night.
My Ex told me, he wanted to be a better person for me. I believed him. But didn't work, it always fluctuated back and forth between love bombing and being a total bum. I kicked him out 2 months later. Toxic people also tell that to manipulate others.
the thing about Twilight is that if the narrative had done anything at all to acknowledge how unhealthy Bella and Edward's relationship with each other is, then it could have been an incredible story about how codependency can damage relationships, and maybe even a useful tool for addressing mental health. But it doesn't, it celebrates and romanticizes their co-dependence. The whole Twilight Saga actually reveals a lot about how much Stephanie Meyer herself needs to get help.
what do you expect from a mormon?
Also way late as a response, but I remember the books having a lot of references to Wuthering Heights, which is a toxic romance story. But that assumes the reader has also read Wuthering Heights.
Not that that's an excuse, but there was that *small* small small bit
"Well lets assume for the moment I'm not smart"
Everyone: "Girl, that ship has SAILED."
Why would someone call themselves dumb for a jerk I don't understand why
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Lol that ship sailed and sank
No assuming required lolllll
if someone tells you "stay away from me i'm a bad guy" BELIEVE THEM AND STAY AWAY
I don't know. That sounds like what a good person would say.
RIGHT
Some people that say that honestly tend to be reasonable people, maybe so reasonable that they've been hard-core gaslit their whole lives by parents with issues. They're just coming to age, coming into their own and they're just now starting to know that they can break free of that mentality and experience the world with their own minds.
Also some people in high school say things like that but all they’ve done is shoplift a coke
Although, if that's immediately followed up with "I've killed people", maybe a little bit of caution is warranted. XD
Seriously though, it's all about context. Bella's and Edward's relationship feels weird and toxic because they've barely interacted with each other at that point.
I've always thought of it like this. Edward looked repulsed by Bella at the start instead of attracted, because he was repulsed by what his need to kill her made him feel like. He never wanted to be a monster. He hated what he was, so he tried so hard to not be that. Then Bella shows up, and almost takes all those years of being good and not a monster away from him. He hates himself, but he also hates Bella in that moment.
I'd actually prefer to read a story about how recovering human-bloodaholic Edward's life is thrown off kilter by meeting his "blood singer" Bella. Who, courtesy of her neglectful childhood, is a needy, insecure, walking talking emotional blackhole desperate to be wanted. Which causes her to throw herself into his path (and draw attention to him) despite his attempts to avoid her.
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She sees him as the fairytale cure to her lonely, lowly human life. He sees her as one more misery foisted on him in his unending undead existence.
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He gets no helpful from his hypocrit coven 'dad' Carlisle (who considers vampires damned yet made the rest of them anyway); his stepford-smiler 'mom' Esme who deals with her eternal depression by helicopter-parenting Edward; his manic-pixie narcissistic psychic 'sister' Alice or her half-feral all-resentful captive-bf, Jasper.
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The only ones on his side are his coven sister Rose (whose backstory doesn't even need to be changed to fit this AU); her loyal but lunkheaded security-risk of a bf, Emmet; and the wolf-shapeshifter, Jacob, who's trying to save his childhood friend Bella from herself.
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Can Edward resist the call of Bella's blood when she dogs his footsteps at school, and his prison-warden-of-a-sire insists on allowing Alice to ambush him with her new bestie in his own home? Will this temptation force him into allying with the wolves? Or will he be forced to kill (or worse, turn) Bella in order to avoid risking human discovery and thus the Volturi's vengeance??
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...Dang, now I really want somebody to write this fanfic!
I'm pretty sure that's what Edward said about why he reacted to her the way he did when he first smelled her. He hated himself so much & then here comes Bella whose blood calls to him & now he hates himself even more bc now he wants to do what he's been trying to avoid doing forever. Then he's fascinated by her bc he can't hear her thoughts.
I've seen this series over and over. I had a relationship and was engaged. Watching this again now after my brake up makes me realize that I almost married an Edward .... I just got out and am so happy I'm free
Did it occur to you that you may have nearly married an Edward because these trash films planted the seed of idea that Edwards are worth pursuing
Good for you for dodging a bullet, or in this case an A-Bomb.
@@JessemyBeadleI don't think so. I saw the cinema therapy series over and over. I was so unbelievably happy that I had a relationship with a man that I ignored a lot of important signs. I know it's toxic, but I was in a very bad place when we met and he ran with it. We were together for 6 terrible years. Only afterwards you see how bad it was. It's a long healing process, but I'm on my way.
@hecate3062 -- Glad you got out! It's very much like escaping emotional imprisonment. The jail cell bars are invisible to others, and at first even yourself, but the effects of being in an imprisoning relationship make themselves known in time. Singledom never feels so much like freedom as it does after getting away from a bad ex and toxic relationship.
My favorite thing about Twilight is that Anna Kendrick forgot she was in it. She once tweeted something along the lines of,”Holy shit I was in twilight” which is amazing
Edit: thanks for all the likes, holy crap
Only if I could forget about Twilight and the fact that Jacob claimed Bella’s unborn baby as his own
She was probably repressing the memory.
It's almost like oh shit I was in that- cringe
I didn't even know she was in it
Wait what?!
i don't know everyone else, but the fact that bella has no personal interests, activities, or even a life beside her relationship with edward seems pretty codepent for me
She does in the books. The movies made her like that
@@breeh2335 I don’t remember any of her interests
@@ber1779 she liked reading and acc read all the time. You never see that in the movies and she was acc really smart but again they got rid of that in the movies.
@@breeh2335 yes! And she also was good at cooking and basically took care of her house, which is pretty impressive in my opinion for a teenager. And she also figures out that Edward is a vampire and reads minds on her own in the books.
@@NatalieMosack I agree
I think the difference between Pride and Prejudice is Elizabeth gave as good as she got compared to Bella. So the relationship in P&P was much more balanced compared to Twilight where Edward is far too in control
I was in high school when these books came out. I was on team Bella and Edward but now I see so many problems in their relationship as an adult. Edward and Bella really need therapy. You think the Cullens could have found a vampire therapist with their fortune. I love watching both of your reactions to this.
I was team Jacob. I wonder if he ended up being a douche too. I don't remember, so I'm interested to watch these and see if my teenage self correctly assessed him as a nice guy.
The cast commentary for Twilight is hilarious. Robert Pattinson just roasts himself the whole time.
The actor who plays Emmett is like the only one who likes twilight
@@at12344 Really?! Why?
His hatred for Twilight is really funny but he still decided to do the films and let them make him rich. I’d honestly have more respect for him if he’d done them because he liked them, terrible as they are. Like this he just seems to lack integrity.
@@glockenrein He was most likely under contract to finish out the series?
@@kiarimarie sure but the first film is bad enough and he saw that script before he signed on. The book was also out and the film is fairly loyal to it. He knew enough before he ever agreed to be involved.
The funniest part of Twilight was that Edward wasn't even like "I'm a reformed vampire who has total control and don't want to kill people". He openly admits that he wants to murder her specifically and she's just like "that's cool bro now let's have sex".
😭 literally
Bella: You want to rip my throat out and drain my blood? Ooooh I'm getting wet just thinking about it.
@@Xehanort10 lol
@@Xehanort10 I threw up in my mouth a little bit
It's like if Dexter had a woman killer on his table who got turned on by the fact that he was about to kill her.
That moment when you realize Monster High addressed the problem of a narcissistic bf in better in one "movie" (Why Do Ghouls Fall in Love?) than Twilight ever did in five movies
Edward is not narcissitic. He's absolutely soaked in self pity and utter contempt for himself and his nature as a vampire. He genuinely hates himself.
@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho -- That's because the Twilight series doesn't think there's anything unhealthy to address, so it doesn't.
Part of the Liz/Darcy thing that works is that she flat tells him "your behavior is UTTERLY unacceptable," he goes "oh shit you right," and then DOES THE WORK of becoming a better person. Also she doesn't go belly-up when he's a prick to her, she makes fun of him. Zero "drawn to his prickishness", just self-amused trolling until he proposes out of left field
"She just bites her lips and blinks too much and he just looks like he's constipated all the time"
I'm dead 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣
so is he 😜
Honestly, the two films I first saw her in was this and Snow White and the Huntsman. And after these two movies, I thought she had 2 expressions - confused and high (at the end of Snow White, she looks like she had a really good fart, right before credits roll?). I legit thought she was a bad actress. I didn't realize for a long time that she just suffered under terrible stories and really, REALLY bad direction.
As for him? He was Cedric Diggory before he was Edward Cullen. *SHRUG*
@@Fightingforthelost honestly I liked her better in Snow White and the Huntsman but yeah. Her facial expression doesn’t change much. But her tone of voice during her speech is great. I loved it. The line “WHO WILL BE MY BROTHER?!” stuck with me.
@@Fightingforthelost Honestly, I liked him better as Cedric than Edward.
"If you were smarter you'd stay away from me"
HE WALKS UP TO HER!
I mean. I assumed he was sizing her up in an attempt to intimidate her.
It's still not good but that's what I assumed
I thought I was the only one who noticed!
Of course, because I know I struggle not to fall in love with my food
thats was a try on intimidating
imagine amountain lion hissing to tell "you better get distance" just to scratch you anyway
and he is a preditor too
so to walk up taller more powerfull is a way to demonstrate how dangerous he can be
ita a body lingual version of what he said
Hmm, he’s indirectly calling her an idiot lmao
I have spent years trying to explain to people my feelings for the Twilight series. I read all the books, I partly hated them and partly loved them. Then I watched all the movies and still enjoy watching them, but I am fully aware that this is not Relationship Goals territory. This is more Relationship Nightmares for Dummies and Red Flags 101. I tell my children that if they choose to read or watch Twilight, they should know that it's brainless and hurtful and that any man who treats a woman this way at any point should be dumped immediately. Yet, I still enjoy it on a brainless entertainment level.
I relate to this. My boyfriend wanted to watch the movies with me last year because he thought it would be funny. Neither of us had seen them before and I knew next to nothing about them aside from the very basics even though I was in the right demographic to have been into them growing up. I both loved and hated the movies. I loved relating to that feeling of teenage angst and desperation for love and acceptance, but I also was creeped out by soooo many things. The whole thing with Bella's baby and Jacob was weird AF and then when he asks Edward if he should start calling him dad I almost puked. But somehow even despite the creepiness and unhealthy relationships and behaviors, I still very unexpectedly enjoyed the movies.
@@lizard3755 It makes me laugh and hate that I laughed. I know exactly what you mean. Creepy and unhealthy, but like a train wreck, I can't look away.
Rob did such a good job of portraying edward. When you read the books, they do a significantly better job of explaining how uncomfortable he is when he first met Bella. And the look on his face when they sit next to eachother in the classroom is just so spot on
Edward: “I’ve killed people before”
Bella: “I don’t care”
Serial Killer: 👀
Hintofpink now that serial killer is in therapy 😁
Seriously - my thoughts as well. This is one of those “fans” who write serial killers like Ted Bundy etc., thinking that “I’m the special one who GETS him” - yeah right.
Finally, after elitepartner, comming soon: Serial romance.
Bella: let’s just say for argument sake that I’m not smart...
“That’s a fair argument.” 😂😂😂
Edward can't read Bella's mind because there is nothing in there to read.
@@vladables1582 “fascinating... I see nothing.”
Hell Bella not being smart is an unarguable fact. Meyer only portrays her as intelligent because she's her self insert.
😂😂😂😂
He just hears static in her head
as an awkward teenager, watching this movie really resonated with me in the way they act and the whole "directing problem" thing makes sense if you expect normal charismatic adults but these are awkward teenagers and it's so great in terms of that in my opinion and from my recent experience
Maybe its just that I am a guy, but to me the whole 'she's the prettiest in the town, she shouldn't be this stunned at getting attention' doesn't hold up. If I was walking into a room, or any environment with other guys, I would not be able to accurately judge my handsomeness compared to other guys. Are people supposed to do that?
I also didn't understand that confusion. I think when teens enter a new environment, they mostly hope for not doing something emberrassing. Adults do that too, just maybe less intensely.
I think it is a female thing. We constantly compare ourselves to other women and are painfully aware of where we fall on the attractiveness scale. Lots of men do the same to women as well, but not themselves I guess.
It’s an opinion. You can’t know what everyone of the opposite sex likes because they’re all different from each other. And gay people exist.
In Pride and Prejudice, Elizabeth does NOT like Mr. Darcy AT ALL while he’s being a huge prick. That’s completely different from Bella is who super drawn to Edward being a jerk. Elizabeth only likes Darcy after she learns that he’s actually a nice person.
Yeah they obviously don't know P&P
It's the take away from the condensed plot movie. The book is absolutely as you say and can be read into the movie if you've had the book first.
@@milchbrotchen2930 plus Edward never stops being manipulative and abusive. He is controlling every aspect of Bella's life till the very last book and she constantly has to fight to have the least bit of control on it . Any similarity here with p&p is just surface level.
okay
@@mrose3299 the six episode mini series actually does a good job of showing Lizzy hating on Darcy before she realizes he’s a good guy. I prefer the series to the movie but i think I’m in the minority lol
The title should be "Therapist gets triggered for 21 minutes over Bella and Edward's Relationship" 🤣🤣
Can ya blame him tho? When it comes to Bella & Friends they are:
The most broken, sociopathic people one has ever laid eyes on. Less people rather than a loose collection of character defects.
@flower you've missed my point, merely agreeing with op and expanding on the satire of op :p
how i interpreted it and especially after reading midnight sun, edward was not repulsed, he was filled with so much desire and an almost primal urge to kill her, so much so that he planned how to kill the entire classroom to be able to get away with it. but edward doesn’t want to be a monster so he tries to avoid her, like switching out of classes.
When Jonathan said “I want my daughters to watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer” I actually yelled out “YES!!!” Lol That show made a huge impression on me growing up, and I still rewatch the whole series now and then.
'He courts Bella, the way Batman terrifies criminals.' Robert being the new Batman that was funny! :)
That was just GENIUS CASTING!
Bella: I swear to God.
Edward: SWEAR TO MEEEEEEEEEEEE.
Time stamp?
@@nikopteros1659 It was on the other vid after this.
@@covertfeelings8330 oh ok
"Edward courts Bella the same way Batman terrifies criminals" 🤣🤣🤣omg I DIED!!!
The fact Robert Pattinson is now going to play Batman makes this comment extra hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
😂
@@joannavelez5179 I’m pretty sure that line was an intentional shoutout since Pattinson was cast as Batman over a year before this video was published. 🤔 What I DO find unnerving is that Bella tells Edward he puts on a mask in public to scare people away from him, thus alluding to Robert Pattinson eventually being cast as Batman 12 years later..... STEPHANIE MEYER IS A PROPHET!!! 😱 Haha
in one of my classes we did a presentation based on media-basically anything we wanted, as long as we could argue it’s relevance-and one student did a presentation on why twilight was a healthy representation of romance and love. using both edward and jacob!!! i just sat there half in shock honestly lmao
What I found ironic is that in the twilight book chapter 6 "Scary Stories" she says something about how Mike is a bit territorial and yet she has no clue (she is oblivious) to the fact that Edward is far more territorial in the extreme and she's okay with that because "he's beautiful and glittery"
She also complains about Mike following her around like a lovesick puppy but being stalked by Edward is apparently fine.
E: I'm a murderer
B: I don't care
Guys: WHY!!!
That made me laugh!
Same 😂
See, if this movie were made today and she were a nihilist gen Z teen, he'd say his line and she'd be like "Oh, score. Snap to it, dude. World ain't getting any less crappy," or something similar, and at least then it'd be funnier in a morbid way.
I love their reaction so much
I feel so bad for the actors in this movie. They’re genuinely good but the director just ruins it. Tbh I freaking love the side characters in the books. I’m sad SM decided to write about the most boring brother in this family. Why can’t she write about the vampire with amnesia who finds out she’s a psychic. Civil war being a vampire turf war. Ancient vampire that has never tasted a drop of human blood, training to be a doctor.
All valid points.
They are good actors.
Did you give movie 4 & 5 a try? I very much liked the first book but had to struggle to tolerate the poor direction of movies 1-3. Only Condon knew how to handle the material imo
@@judeannethecandorchannel2153 Don’t worry. We’re getting there.
Right???? I saw the movies first, and loved the side characters way more, which in turn inspired me to read the books. She’s so close to doing something amazing within the vampire universe, almost to the level of Ann Rice, but it gets bogged down with this stupid storyline. Also the first movie is SUCH a guilty pleasure of mine. I could tell it was the director’s first movie.
Also, people gave Kirsten such crap for how she portrayed Bella, but if you read the books you realize that’s it. That’s exactly how Bella as a character is written. It’s the same thing with Katniss and Jennifer Lawrence’s portrayal.
Also, also: I do think Kirsten Stewart has talent as writer. I loved her book The Host!! Also, she apparently was raised Mormon, so that realllly explains her weird way of looking at relationships.
Well she does she writes about all of them
Thank you for making this series! I love watching twilight as junk food, and I can't tell you how helpful all the information in your videos has been since I watched it. I've applied it to my own life, and given advice to others in my life based on what these videos have taught me.
You're very welcome. Thanks for watching!
I’m so late to these twilight videos but I’m loving it. Pattinson and Stewart tend to get way too much flack for these roles because of the acting but I always say they did it perfectly. They embody the characters in the book, which are poorly written and one dimensional at best. They took straw and made straw colored gold with it 😂
"I was designed to kill."
"I don't care."
*"WHY?!?"*
I can tell this is going to be good.
Because it’s pointless. Humans are designed to kill, all predators are.
@@serpentinewolf7085 what you're saying is logical but there are people on this planet that could never make the mental leap to physically kill someone and I'm just talking in a life or death scenario. Some people on this planet can't kill. I might even go as far as to say a great amount if not majority wouldn't be able to
@@imperviousdonut
Those people are weak and not fit for survival then. Either way it makes sense that others not only kill, but that others are attracted to that. Like imagine a hawk not being attracted to the stronger mate that kills more prey or better kills intruding other hawks.
Imagine how far a species has to fall to no longer find traits of survival attractive.
@@serpentinewolf7085 I disagree with how you see people. You describe humans the humans once were or should I say you're seeing all humans as 3rd world humans trying to survive. That's not how the world works anymore. Again this dosent include poverty stricken and starving people for obvious reasons but people in "developed" countries have no need to live like every second mother nature is against you. Hunting and gathering for us no longer exists because of modern amenities. For the most part people have no need for this only the strong will survive bullshit mentality because frankly that's not true. Frankly it's the cunning types that do quite well in the world we currently live in. Also there have historically always been physically weak or sick people who've survived over the greats. Also I think people who outright claim to know that they could kill without ever having been put in such awful situations are full of crap because you can't ever tell if your bodily response would be fight or flight. Humanity couldn't survive if everyone was some type of tough guy
@@imperviousdonut
Except to openly rely on such amenities is stupid. If they fail, you die. It’s people who don’t have those instincts that die if shit hits the fan or any real life or death issue happens. You can only be so cunning if you freeze or can’t defend yourself, kill for your right to live. And lots of people don’t know what they’ll do, some do though. You can also train yourself to be more prone to actually fighting or flighting.
But you should be worried about amenities and Mother Nature. Ask all those tsunami, hurricane, earthquake (large) survivors. Ask people who needed relief help that didn’t come for days. Look at the rioting we get already, the violence. We can’t safely walk down the streets alone even in first world countries.
So yes, the strong also survive and we shouldn’t stray from that because all this fancy shit we’ve built can crumble and you’d only have yourself to rely on for immediate survival. Encouraging weakness just because you think you can is stupid and short sighted. Then again lots of first world people are lazy and weak.
I forget where I heard this but stories like these are so appealing to young audiences because the protagonist gains the love interests attention for basically doing nothing and being lovable for reasons beyond their control. Example: Edward is attracted to the smell of Bella’s blood. That is pure genetics and she didn’t have to do anything but exist. For insecure teens the idea of being loved for just existing while you’re going through such an emotionally unstable time in life is very tempting.
I remember watching Dominic Noble's video on this book/movie and he said something similar.
@@Eris_Norregard maybe that’s where it was 🤔 I was also thinking it could have been The Take
lmao that is so fucking sad but also so fucking true
"Edward is attracted to the smell of Bella’s blood."
I was a little disappointed that they didn't mention this in the video here. They make it seem like Edward acted disgusted for no reason, but it was like this: When Bella entered the room and Edward smells her he had such a strong (positive) reaction that he covers his face to hide it and then acts repelling to keep her away from him to keep her save. Wasn't that in the books? (I didn't read them) Also if I remember correctly Bella had something similar going on and that's the reason she wasn't derreted and afraid of him.
@@dancingpeanut3400 that is true, though I think the over the top disgust reaction from Robert Pattinson in the movie was just bad directing tbh. But in the book what you said is 100% right.
I am ashamed to say that i thoroughly watched these movies with tears and my eyes knowing full well that their relationship was hella toxic😂😂
You guys should give Midnight sun a read. Even just the first chapter would do. You'd have a field day with that lol.
Thing with that is that it provides context to this that ruins their analysis, fuck - paying more attention to Edward would do that.
Can you please tell me what it's about because no one will and Google is kinda unclear on it. Please
Oh this is going to be fun. I remember hearing a domestic abuse counselor saying that she loved Twilight. When someone asked her why, she responded that it was full of examples of mental abuse. She literally had several scenes to choose from that highlighted every warning sign and red flag. It helped her show people what abuse, stalking, and toxic relationships looked like.
For a second, I thought you were going to say she liked the relationship and now she doesn’t have a job as a domestic abuse counselor 😂
@@Melanie-jy2nw literally though 😂😂 had us in the first half
Epic
fifty shades is also a gold mine to study abuse
@@FruityHachi agree. And it's also based on twilight
I think the big difference to Pride and Prejudice is this: Lizzie isn't attracted to Darcy until he changes. Edward never changes, he just tells her the complete truth, but Bella was attracted to him anyways. Lizzie was annoyed by Darcy, was set in seeing him a certain way, and so her growing on him is way slower and feels earned, instead of "he's weird but also he's so hot!"
THIS
Yes! Not to mention that Lizzy was crushing on another guy half of the book. It was just after Mr. Darcy's confession that she thought about the two of them together at all (and thought: ugh, NO.WAY.).
And after Darcy realizes that he was a jerk, he reflects on himself and reevaluates his priorities, causing a change in behavious that lets Lizzy realise that he's not just his money and pride.
Also, Lizzie and Darcy despite the enemies to lovers structure (which in my opinion, they just don't like each other, because I've never seen them as *enemies*, in my interpretation) is the strong family bond that they have-especially individually. Darcy is with Georgiana, Lizzie has a closer relationship with Jane, although she care about the rest of the family. In twilight on the other hand they don't say anything more reasonable about why the bond among them was so strong-or so lacking, in bella's case. I love the way Darcy and Lizzie relationship was build. He was a jerk at the beginning and not intentionally almost destroyed the chances of Bingley ended up together with Jane, however he recognized. Lizzie was putting Wickham on a pedestal based on the lies that he told her, making Lizzie trust more in her own judgment. Lizzie was aware about Wickham's questionable nature after the letter because she finally see a situation where she and the Bennett family could suffer because she has younger sisters too. That's why Lizzie and Darcy worked well as a couple. The reason was the family besides the virtues and flaws that they have and the time that both sides gave to know each other with mutual respect.
And now that I think about it more, Darcy's biggest 'sin' is his.... well, pride and prejudice. He puts a bit too much emphasis on social status and tends to look down on people with a lower status than himself. Edward literally killed people, and is basically a stalker. So yeah, there's a reason why one novel is a literary classic and the other is just simple amusement. (Yeah, I liked reading Twilight as well.)
FR-I mean every time that I thought about edward and bella's relationship automatically my head associates with with the song "every breath you take" LOL
I also was a huge fan of the series during my pre-teens/teen years and I re-read the first book last year after almost one decade, and... OH, BOY! In parts I can't blame bella for being so self deprecating about everything related about herself, she's basically is a reflection of the emotional garbage that she has been consuming all in her daily social circle. The only thing that appreciated in book was Alice/Jasper relationship dynamics. Rosalie/Emmett was good too.
Bella is codependant. Codependancy is a good description
I didn't read these books until I was in college and I'm ashamed to admit I also got sucked in. I didn't read them in order. I read the first one, wasn't interested enough to continue, but a few years later I suffered a panic attack and needed a book to calm down. I checked out Breaking Dawn at the library because I hadn't read it but knew a little of what happens and it was thick. Went home and read at least half in one sitting to give my heart rate a chance to calm down from my panic attack, and it worked (I only recently learned I have Generalized Anxiety Disorder). A few years later I read the middle 2 books, and I admit I got sucked in then. I don't know why. I didn't feel they were relationships to model or anything like that. I enjoyed the backstories of the various characters that are given them. Hated the contrived, 2-dimensional conflict between the Cullens and the werewolves (I'm not using the tribal name because that is an actual tribe and shouldn't be associated with this story by a white author who admitted she did so little research for her story). Much more I enjoy watching people riff on the movies. I find that so much fun.
Pattinson actually riffed on his own acting in these films. When asked how he gets into character for Twilight, he said he tried to look constipated.
LMAO-
😂😂
He doesn't go to bathroom the week before
basically a constant state of discomfort because he loves her but wants her blood 😅
When he made fun of Bella's "pregnant" belly despite it being flat, I was weak
She is also coming from a broken family, so she has no idea what a normal functioning relationship is. She thinks because he loves her, everything is okay and she accepts everything. She has no self-esteem therefore, does not think she is pretty, she does not believe she is smart nor does she believes she is worthy of love. So, when she comes across someone really attracted to her, she does not understand it to be a toxic love, she just embraces it and accepts it. It's the perfect example of narcissist/co-dependant relationship
I wish they would have brought this up in the video. I think Bella is a very interesting character. It was nice seeing an introverted main character who cares too much about other people and feels like she doesn't belong. Both Bella and Edward are super insecure about lots of stuff and that contributes to making their relationship toxic in a lot of ways. I felt that these insecurities were relatable as a young teenager. I also believe most girls are able to identify the problematic parts about this relationship, it is quite clear in both the books and the movies. Vampires, romance and relatable personal problems makes this story very captivating, I guess that's part of the reason why the books became so popular.
I haven't read the first book in a while, so... I remember Bella's parents being divorced, but wasn't it a pretty amicable divorce? Like, she got to spend time with both of them for certain amounts of time, and nobody was The Bad Parent™? I vaguely remember her mom being a bit more focused on boyfriends than Bella.
IDK 😅 I guess I have a different idea of a broken family.
@@alexandriahunt6058 so Bella used to visit often when she was younger. I don't remember why she stopped. I want to say she felt like a disconnect because her dad was depressed so she felt uncomfortable and stopped seeing him but the parents make little no to effort to communicate with each other or co parent her in a healthy way. It's like parents who say they're "good parents" because they never abused you. The bar is just so low for parents. It was a broken home just not abusive. Also I feel the need to point out that I think I own all 4 movies
@@imperviousdonut Oh, okay~ Thanks for clarifying. Some people use the term "broken family" to refer to any sort of split in the familial unit, and there's well-rounded kids out there with divorced parents because the parents were still good at BEING parents to their kids 😌
If me and Bella can agree on one point it's that neither of use think she's smart.
Bella is a Machiavellian genius who saw the limitless power beauty and wealth vampires possess and didn’t stop until she obtained that power herself 👑
I'm reminded of the movie 'the graduate' and how so many movies after that use the 'interupt the wedding' scene without including the 'long still take on the bus' to show the whole idea may have not been as 'romantic' as everyone thought. I think Interview With a Vampire is the 'graduate' of vampire romances. Where it shows how toxic and weird these relationships can get but everyone just copies it without the 'long still take on the bus'. Twilight is probably the best example of this.
I've never seen any of those (shame on me, I know), but I know exactly what you're talking about because I think much the same thing happens with Jane Austen. Lots of people view those books just as the pinnacle of romance literature when in fact far more than that, a lot of the time they're satire. And, you know, novels exploring human nature from a female perspective. And then you get loads and loads of copycat stories that forget to explore those elements - but it is in fact those elements that make Austen the enduring writer she is.
Pride and prejudice is good because their relationship works ONLY after he lets go of his pointless pride and she recognizes the fault in her prejudice. This individual growth makes them ready for an equal relationship
reminds of how Sheldon wanted to destroy something that Amy likes but had to admit P&P is perfect
WE LOVE GROWTH.
“I’m a murder”
“I trust you”
*WE HAVE A PROBLEM HEATHER*
There is a bone to pick
@@ganhaghag7663 you've come so far
She should learn from Veronica
Even as a kid, I knew these relationships were toxic. However, the story was so stupid that I enjoyed it anyways! Also, there is a reason why he's so rude to her. The reason is because she's once known as a "singer" to him. The smell of her blood is extremely strong to him compared to what other vampires would smell. The reason he 10 stop in revulsion when he first smelled her is because he was basically holding himself back from slaughtering the entire class in that instance. He was revolted with himself, not her.
I can't believe I watched this movie in elementary school and followed it 'till it ended.
You gotta do Gomez and Morticia Adams, they are SO facinating...
I second this. Always been fascinated with them as a couple.
They’re my favorite couple. I’d love to see this
Yeeeeessss !
Yessss please do the Addams Family! Morticia and Gomez are great together and their relationship with their family and their children is great
Yesssss
Creepiest thing about Edward: He hangs around high schools. That's just demented.
That's what i thought. Why doesn't he get a passport that says he's 20? He looks old enough.
and he also comes into your room out of nowhere
So true, there is literally no reason hahahaha
If you read the books you’d know that they are trying to stay normal, by going to school and fitting in with the humans it helps them stay away from their vampire instincts.
He and the rest of the cullens look college aged. Why the hell are they in high school? Why would they willing chose to be around teenagers?
As someone who taught high school at the height of the Twilight fervor, I appreciate that you put into words (nay, ART) what my colleagues and I felt every time some poor, misguided girl in a “Team Edward” tshirt sat sobbing in our classrooms lamenting that she’ll never find the perfect love that Bella and Edward have. Never before this series of videos have my colleagues and I during that time felt more seen, more heard, more validated. Gentlemen, you do God’s work and I am forever grateful!
You forgot something about why people are attracted to the bad boy/girl. There is also the "this person is strong and capable, I'm attracted to them for it and because it feels good when they are "bad" to others but nice to me."
Let's just ignore the 192yo man pretending to be a teen at a school and dating 15yo girls 😌
Therapists 😌
It always blew my mind that this nearly 200year old MAN did not emotionally mature past the age of 17😂
Nooooooo!
@@d.l831 if he was turned during the Spanish Influenza he would only be over 100 years old during Twilight...
it doesn't make it better....but let's be accurate...
I dont think he actually matured since hes still in his teenage body as a vampire 😩 Hes just eternally 17, mentally
@@Rolling_Girl_falling_forever yes and the wolf being in love with a baby that grew up magically fast. Very mature
@@joroc Apparently twilight was originally a Harry Potter fanfic, so it's best not to expect morals or common sense :P
"He courts Bella the way Batman terrorizes criminals" aged very well.
Was looking for this comment ha!
😂😂😂🤣
Gold
I used to have a girlfriend in high-school that was very into Twilight, she used to identity herself a lot with Bella, "the quiet and understood girl" that was just different, she also ended up getting involved with an emotionally abusive guy, they were together for many years, never saw the correlation until now lol.
I think what drew me to the books too is the idea of someone saving and protecting you… because my family was abusive .
“I trust you.”
*”WHY!?”*
Because he has high cheek bones and sparkly skin.
The reason he is repulsed is because she smells good and he is trying to keep himself from feeding on her 😂😂
Book fans know that. But if you're watching the movie for the first time, that look is not "I'm hungry, but I know I shouldn't." The look is, well, "ick." With a side of crazy.
@Ugo Love good point. Maybe also he's disgusted with himself for wanting to kill her? Like he's morally opposed to his demonic nature?
@Ugo Love haha! Love it, but I disagree a bit. Twilight is a parable about the battle between the light and dark sides of our nature. Edward's natural impulse was to kill Bella, while his "higher self" was to love and protect her. He does say that he hated her for making him want her so badly, which again, is part of the Bella-blaming that is so problematic. She blames herself, Edward blames her, Jacob blames her. Those boys need to take some ownership!
It is indeed said that in the midnight sun book that he is really only upset at himself. The thing is that he shows that upset Ness outwardly and Bella takes it the wrong way.
@@CinemaTherapyShow it looks like someone on the scale being overwhelmed by a smell comming from her.
both is true hes hyper sensitive to smell like someone on the scale might be and hes overwhelmed by it
serching distance and tensing up
its not ment to imidiatly give away that hes a vampire but that something about him is different and that goal was acomplished
A note on strong female leads for children, Studio Ghibli strives to create complex and independent female leads in movies made for children/teens. Many of their films have female leads. Even when romantic interests are involved, they provide mutual support and companionship but the girls never need saving (in fact the women often save the men too). Don't know the age of your daughters but Ghibli movies are very enjoyable for all ages 😊
well, they sometimes need saving. the thing that I like about it, is that it's never held against them as if women "always" need saving... just that they were in a situation where they needed help. seems healthier with both sexes simply recognizing when someone needs help, rather than all the weight being put on one sex to always be the one to do the saving.
@@Nu_Wen yes! and that's how they're designed, it's more the type of relationship that is mutually supportive and beneficial.
Which movie do you recommend?
@@sheepsong5681 Try Laputa: Castle in the Sky, Spirited Away, Howl's Moving Castle, Ponyo By the Sea, Kiki's Delivery Service, and Princess Mononoke :)
@@sheepsong5681 The previous reply is very good and pretty much same answer as mine, I guess I would separate it by age myself. For younger children, Kiki's delivery service, Ponyo & My Neighbour Totoro. For older kids/teens, Princess Mononoke, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind & Howls Moving Castle. Spirited Away is good for all ages (it's one of few or the only foreign film to win an Oscar for best animation I've heard - but pls fact check I might be mistaken 😂). Finally, it's message is more about environmentalism but Pom Poko is very good too. This is based on my own viewing, they definitely have more films to explore.
Its because Edward thinks of himself as a monster, not a savior. But Bella does, she sees it as a gift. So he was sickened by her smell at first but then he became obsessive.
honestly the first 20 seconds of this video is a perfect summary of the franchise and this video series
Edward keeps showing disinterest and saying “we shouldn’t be friends, so don’t try to be friends with me”... but why is he following her around, then? How does that makes sense!?
Because people love forbidden obsession in romance stories. “I can’t believe that you as a person exist and breathe the same air as me get away, but I actually can’t stop thinking about you ever.” People eat that shit up. You should have seen how outraged my mother got when I presented her with the facts about how dangerous twilight could be especially to developing teenage girls who are starting to learn about how the wider world works. She was livid. But I’m glad this channel exists to outline those who act like Edward, and those who will strive to defend this saying “It’s just fluff”.
like he says: "... that doesn't mean I don't _want_ to be friends"
@@papersmoke3441 yeah. I was a tween when the movies came out and...I think it set bad relationship ideas onto the people who thought it was the most amazing thing ever.
No I think it's more like "I'm fucking dangerous and could possibly kill you, and I don't wanna do that to you', which is fucking toxic but still. (that's also why he looked disgusted, because he didn't want to do anything. I would describe it more like "tense" though.)
In the book from his perspective, it’s because he biologically wants to drink from her, and therefore keeps getting attracted to her
Thing is, Edward is not a bad boy with a heart of gold. He is a "moral" guy with psychopathic control issues. Geez, Edward. Seriously, get a hobby
Edward: What are you talking about? Stalking Bella is my hobby. Watching her sleep is my favourite past-time.
@@RA-fw5yc Get another hobby, bro. You play baseball and play the piano. Focus on that instead and don't get into a relationship with anyone period.
He’s also canonically a virgin until he meets Bella in the books; waiting 100+ years to make a sexual debut is repressing pent up energy that needs to be spent.
ikr, what he even does in his life? lives with his family and just... listens to music?🗿
It's a movie girl.
I always thought he was intentionally glamouring her into walking into his death trap. That is vampire's version of mind control.
I know these videos are 2 years old now, but I got on a binge of yalls content again for the past couple days and thought I'd rewatch them; I just wanna say when I first saw these about a year and a half ago I had just been cut off from a really abusive and codependent reoccuring relationship and finally promised myself it was over for good, and your videos (especially these ones) genuinely helped me so much to truly unpack and realize what I was stuck in and hold myself to that promise, it was much like the relationship in twilight and seeing you guys dig into that critically and point out exactly what was wrong with it was such a wakeup call for me, and I've gone through so much recovery and self-improvement since then it's crazy to look back and think I was even a part of something so similar. So, thank you for everything you do here 💗
... And sorry for the huge comment lol
Edward: "I'm basically a mass murderer."
Bella: "That's so hot."
Bella's an obsessive true crime fangirl then.
Vampires Suck was so funny
@@saikoneko1937 Yeah it was.
I just read that in Paris Hilton’s voice TOTALLY not meaning to!!! 😂😂😂
Well, there are several Bundy, Ramirez and Dahmer fangirls out there, fo sure....
My favorite thing about Twilight is that Edward tells Bella “we shouldn’t be friends” but won’t leave her the fuck alone lol
Big fax
I remember that when i first watched this when i was 9, that bella said she trusted him because she was afraid that she would be his next victim if she didn't
*the first twilight film:* i was tricked into it because the woman i was lodging with, her and her daughter were big fans of the books. the girl asked me if i wanted to come alone to the cinema to watch. _'it's about vampires.'_
*the rest of the films:* willingly watched them through rifftrax and almost laughed to death
Did anyone notice the 'tragic underuse of Anna Kendrick' in the subtitles🤣
Nice catch!
Could you let me know where it says that?
@@jaylee4755 9:54
They fixed it... sad :(
I love how his reaction grows with the frustration
"Why."
"WHY."
" *WHY??* "
Bella: "Because you're hot and you pay attention to me... which means this is true love. I cAn fEeL iT." *eyeroll...*
This is literally ALL of us at 16 years old. Any teens reading this comment, listen to this happily married 30 year old woman: You will fall in love several times in your life. You will not MARRY everyone you fall in love with. Your 'first love' feels SO intense because it's your first time feeling these feels. But it will happen many times over before you're 30 years old. Also, the type of boy/girl you like when you're 16 is soooo different from what you'll want when you're 25 or 30. If you're a teen out there forcing a bad relationship to work... or a teen feeling depressed after being dumped, thinking you lost your "true love"... Don't worry. It gets better. You're just going through your unripe, hormonal bombaclot phase. So chin up buttercup. That is all.
Had a friend of mine who is a therapist tell me "some people have walls up for very good reasons. Sometimes those walls aren't to protect themselves but to protect others." If you meet someone with walls up, just accept they have walls for a good reason and don't fool yourself into thinking that if they bring those walls down it will be all sunshine and roses.