I interpreted the fire alarm scene as a way to show that while the Doctor likes to used elaborate plans and showy solutions this wallflower of a kid uses simple logic to solve the problem.
Regardless of whether or not the Fisher king could breathe underwater, getting smacked in the face by thousands of tons of water is going to kill anything dead.
"Journey's End" also has a deleted scene where the Doctor gives the Meta-Crisis Doctor a piece of the TARDIS and Doctor-Donna gives him instructions on how to grow it faster so he and Rose can travel their universe together. Don't remember why it was cut but probably for time. It's a nice moment though so I'm glad it exists.
It would have also opened the possibility for a spin off but I think they cancelled it because it would have been confusing to have two different doctors that look the exact same.
I prefer the idea of that Doctor and Rose settling down and having a somewhat normal life, growing a new Tardis and travelling again would kinda undermine that.
i always heard it as fissure king so i never second guessed it. plus even if you can breath water it;s hard to survive the impact of thousands of tons of it
@@cashagon Just look up Fisher King in a book of folklore or on the web. It's been a thing for centuries. (And, no, there's no reason to think something with that name can't be drowned!)
I've talked to so many people about the Fisher King. His name is based on the old Arthurian legend, he was the last keeper of the Holy Grail, but he had been injured so he waits for someone to come heal him (I think it was Percival in the end). He was also known as The Wounded King This is why the Fisher King in Doctor Who is waiting for one of his people to come wake him and save him, similar to the story of being healed.
The knight who heals the Fisher king changes between diffrent verisons of the story. As the knights get darker and edgier new "purest and most noble knight" gets added and takes over things that cna only be done by the pure of heart. I think the oldest version has either Arthur himself healing the fishing king or Lancelot, then when they took a level in flawed Gallahad got the job and then later Percival.
The empty wheelie bin makes sense if you consider that it's not a real wheelie bin. A real wheelie bin could not have eaten Mickey. So the guy putting out his wheelie bin THINKS it's full, but that's not his real wheelie bin. It's an Auton impostor. Also, it's the FishER King, not the Fish King. You don't have to be a fish to go fishing for things. FishERs can drown.
I always assumed that the guy who put the bin out was an Auton duplicate too - and that it was him that collected it afterwards. Incidentally, the word 'Auton' is never used once in 'Rose', only 'Nestene'.
@@stifynbaker2914 'Auton' has never been used at any point in New Who. They've always used Nestene Consciousness or Nestene Duplicate, for whatever reason.
@@StormsparkPegasus yeah i know that now. But my point still stands. Why would the king of fishers. Be able to breathe under water? The fish king. Yes. The fisher king. No.
That deleated scene with Donna hearing TARDIS, I remembered what 9th Doctor said to Mickey in Cardiff in episode Boom town: "Ricky, let me tell you something about the human race. You put a mysterious blue box slap bang in the middle of town, what do they do? Walk past it..."
A LOT was cut from Toby Whithouse's "Before The Flood". His original script is available on BBC Writersroom. Many of the episode's plot holes are addressed. Definitely recommend people give it a read.
@@coladict no, the story was written as a two parter but a lot of scenes were changed, shortened or cut out completely - moreso in "Before The Flood" than "Under The Lake".
Also plenty of rock-fishers get swept off the rocks and drown around my part of the world. And that is in spite of them having both 'rock' AND "fish' in their job description!
right lol. even if it had gills to breathe water, the forces from that much mass would crush you like a car hitting you. Even with us humans. we breathe air. Explosions cause shockwaves through the air which damage us and kill us. We breathe air, and air pressure waves kills us also.
The stuff with the robot in robots of sherwood was meant to be in the final cut of the episode but there was a terrorist attack a couple of days before broadcast where someone was beheaded and the bbc insisted on the subplot being cut because of insensitivity. Funnily enough this wasn’t the last time a Capaldi episode was cut because of a recent sensitive incident as the scene in the pyramid at the end of the world where the monks show how the world is going to come to be destroyed wasn’t global warming but humanity destroying itself.
"Literally anything David Tennant says counts as sexy" is the funniest thing I've heard lately. I rewatched all his episodes and this has been a constant thought as of late.
The episode with the pirates and the Siren (Season 6 Episode 3) has a character straight up disappear halfway through without any explanation only to turn up at the end in the hospital.
Or even that since they confirmed cybermen's eyes are cameras that they can access, you would just need another cyberman to be standing there and look at him, then broadcast that cyberman's eye cameras to the world while he delivers the message.
Eighth Doctor's "half human" comment, in my head it's a disarming technique to get people on side, so he's half Sycorax on his mother's side if it'll get him out of a bind.
WHY the hell did the Doctor just leave Manhattan when there was literally a weeping angel still standing around in the cemetery? The whole population of Earth would have been overrun by unkillable enemies within months, but for some reason that doesn't happen and the Doctor doesn't even think about it. They literally went from "we need to throw all angels in this episode into some space rift because that's the only imaginable way to get rid of them" to "there's a weeping angel standing around in one of the most densely populated cities, but who cares lol". It got even worse in that last Xmas special with Matt Smith where they were almost killed by weeping angels just because the writer wanted a short scary scene but then the doctor spends a few hundred years on that planet and nothing happens. Or the weeping angel scene in that virtual hotel prison where the writer conveniently forgot the "every image of an angel is an angel" bit he himself introduced earlier...
I always thought of it like a timey wimey situation, with that Angel being one of the 4 from Blink. It would explain how those 4 knew about the TARDIS and to get rid of the Doctor.
That angel in Manhatten was just about to die so the Doctor probably assumed it couldn't get to anyone in time, and he was pretty distraught at the time so there's a good chance he just didn't think of it at all.
This isn’t deleted scene related but it’s something no one ever mentions. In ‘Aliens of London’ the Doctor accidentally travels 12 months late meaning the rest of Series 1 takes place in 2006 and Series 2 therefore takes place in 2007. It is possible that series 3 took place in 2007 as well but that would mean that Harriet Jones was Prime Minister for barely over a year before the Master took over. Presumably the PM from Children of Earth took over quickly meaning from 2005 to 2008 there were 5 Prime Ministers: Blair (presumably), Slitheen, Harriet Jones, the Master, the Children of Earth one.
Scenes (or lines) I wish had been cut: Castrovalva, episode 4: after the reveal of his plans, the Master absents himself. “The fireplace - it’s his TARDIS!” Tegan shouts. I feel like the episode would have been all the cooler if Castrovalva *itself* had been the Master’s TARDIS. It would really have driven home the point of the Master’s creations rebelling against him.
As an aside, the reason its called the Fisher King is a reference to the legend of King Arthur, specifically Parsival, where an old man who represents death and entropy is called the fisher king. It woudl have been neat to show that the name was given to him as an accolade or out of fear but it's there.
I always considered myself genX since Pepsi spice girls mtv all advertised to GenX when I was a teen and millenial came way later. But I hate hate calling people. I should call my landlord. Tried WhatsApp and email he never even read those messages 😂
They really should bring her back, or give her a spin-off since jack, Sarah and some others got spinoffs in torchwood, the adventures of Sarah Jane smith and the short lived Class. Torchwood is the best spinoff of all time imo
This video proves what I have been saying since 2005, the classic series may not have had the fx budget but because the stories were stretched out over several episodes they were of a higher standard
@@arahman56 Maybe not, but still - "hey, wait a second, did anyone ever bother to tell Brian what happened to his son and daughter-in-law?" definitely was a question I was asking by the end of The Angels Take Manhattan. This scene admittedly wasn't deleted so much as never shot (my guess is that Mark Williams wasn't available to shoot it, since the eventually-released storyboard does have Arthur Darvill's voiceover in it, so Darvill wasn't the issue).
One thing has bugged me since the 50th anniversary, does the Tradis backup the sonic's software? The scene where the three doctors are working out the subroutine for the wooden door, they use a line like "It's the same screwdriver, just different casings", but Ten had his broken or destroyed at least a couple of times, and 11 had his bitten in half by a sky shark. And if the TARDIS does keep a backup, shouldn't 12 or 13's work on freaking wood by now? And yes, I know 13 builds a new Sonic from scratch, but you'd think once she got back to the TARDIS she would've patched back in centuries of data it had collected. Also, speaking of Whittaker's run, is there any deleted scene that explains how the Master is freaking alive?
There's no need for a deleted scene to explain why the Master is alive, it was all explained fully in 'The Magician's Apprentice': "Okay, cutting to the chase, not dead, back, big surprise, never mind." Delivered in Michelle Gomez' lovely dour Scots deadpan. And that's a whole lot better than the classic series' explanation, which basically amounted to Tony Ainley pulling off a (paper-thin) disguise and shouting, "ta-da!"
I think the thing with the wood is incrediblely specific, so it would on,y work on that door. Also the master comes back constantly without explanation, John Sims master gets off galifray to that colony ship, then becomes Missy, but the masters Tardis shouldn’t have been able to break the time lock. In witch’s familiar Missy is surrounded by Daleks and says ai just had a very good idea. The next time we see her is on the execution planet before the vault. If you are desperate for an explaintion, O Master is pre Missy and likely pre Sim Master, due to his old who use of the shine device and how Missy did stand with the Doctor and they were friends again, even if the Doctor didn’t know. Regeneration doesn’t change the knowledge Missy was the Doctors friend again so even with the stupid timeless child thing, O Master wouldn’t have tried fighting the Doctor if he was after Missy.
Would love a deleted scene to explain that mystery woman's identity in The End of Time. I mean, even in the commentary it's heavily implies she was the Doctor's mother, but with the massive retcon that's now impossible.
A common theory that references the books is that she was Romana, She was president until Rassilon came back and the Doctor described her as looking like his mother aka the woman who raised him. Plus this is Doctor Who there is very little thats impossible
Interesting fact is that The Fisher King coming from Arthurian Myth made its way in the TV Show Merlin which Colin Morgan who played the titular character also appears in DW in the episode named Midnight as Jethro Cane
Regarding the garbage bin. Two situations could happen here. A) the man himself was an Auton and just prepared the trap for Mickey. B) the bins usually ARE outside (at least in my country) and the man might be doing something, requiring the bin inside, then putting it outside to it's proper place. Sure it was empty, but he could use it in his workshop to put away dust from woodworking or whatever, you don't usually see most dust, more of, if it's not in huge tremendous amounts. He might be working on his hobbies, requiring the bin, then simply returning it, where it belongs. Not really the end of the world, why a man puts an empty garbage bin outside, is it? The voice thing of "hey, you can actually drown him", would give away the surprise, that he deals with the FishER (not FISH, but FISHER) King this way. It was awesome, how you couldn't know until the last moment, what will happen, the constant switches between the past (Doctor in the church) and the present/future (the stasis chamber opening, supposedly with the main villain coming out of it), only to find out, the Fisher King drowned and the one coming out the stasis chamber was the Doctor. It would really kill the tension, the effect of surprise. It's honestly, what made this episode so great in my opinion. The Doctor was sure to die there and was saved at the last moment, when he tricked the Fisher King about the words in the ship, just to replace him in the chamber. Even programmed his "ghost" to tell them, that the "room opens", which should either warn them about the enemy waking up, or the Doctor coming out of it. So I'm really glad that voice never happened. The deleted conversation might be great as long as they didn't spoil the outcome right away. Hey, let's drown him, because he's most likely not that "fishy" as his name implies. If they talked just about his origin, coming from a barren world, then yea, the Doctor might conclude, that he might still be susceptible to drowning (although I think that rather than drowning, he was killed by the masses of the water bursting out of the dam).
As I recall the Robot of Sherwood scene was finished, but was cut from the episode due to a real-life beheading which made the news about half a week before the episode aired. The only version we have is the unfinished effects version on the home releases of Series 8.
I always thought Kenny didn't consume the Krillitane oil fries (and he was probably immune anyways); it didn't mean Kenny was any dumber than the other kids; he was at leat naturally as smart as the the other kids.
The new screwdriver would create a plot hole in day of the doctor when they say that the War Doctor Ten and Eleven have the same screwdriver and use it to do hundreds of years of calculations in a matter of seconds.
So, Mickey had been in contact with the Nestenes already. The dummy’s arm, remember? It fixated on Rose AND Mickey. That’s why the Nestene Consciousness knew where they were.
The robot scene in robots of sherwood was cut because back in 2014 there was a recent, sad news story about terrorists cutting heads off journalists. It was cut to avoid controversy and the story was reframed to avoid upsetting viewers.
About the noise of the Tardis, a future episode, as well as previous Classic Who episodes actually somewhat explain it: that noise can be silenced whenever the Doctor or whoever is currently piloting it wants to. The Doctor, knowing his Tardis noise would risk killing Donna through brain overload, most likely silenced it before take off.
Would have loved a deleted scene featuring “O’s first encounter with the Doctor in Spyfall Part 1 or 2 and maybe a deleted scene for the timeless child to further explain some regeneration stuff etc. Ooh also a deleted scene for the haunting of Villa Dio Dati to clear up the continuity concerning the 8th Doctor audios with Mary Shelley
Anything that isn’t the tv show isn’t consider cannon to the tv show, other wise if everything was cannon everything would be contradictory even if ya just compared some audio stories or comics without the tv show
@@davrososwald7287 Big Finish name dropped some 8th Doctor novels companions early on, before deliberately (some might say maliciously) retconning that out of existence. Name drops on their own are nods to the fans and are still ambiguous, unless you think that "The Doctor Falls" happens to canonise all the DWM comic strips as well? (Also - can people please start spelling CANON correctly. CANON is "works that are recognised as genuine". CANNON is "a large piece of artillery".)
@@KillerMeme The TV show has contradicted itself many times, which is why a definitive Doctor Who canon is all but impossible to define. As Terrance Dicks once said, "continuity is whatever the writer could remember".
@@KillerMeme When Eight regenerates, he very clearly names all of his Big Finish companions. 'Time Heist' includes a wanted poster for Abslom Daak. 'Day of the Doctor' has the poster for the the first Dalek movie. Steven Moffatt evidently considers that the answer to the question "What is canon?" is "ALL OF IT!" ...of course, that still leaves us with the problem of why Six doesn't remember beating the Cybermen/Dalek alliance as Three, or why Ten doesn't remember that he already defeated the Family of Blood when he was Seven, or why Three doesn't remember being Two-and-a-half for a story, or why Four doesn't remember when he fought the Daleks when he was Three-and-a-half.... ...You know what? In a TV series that doesn't remember that it destroyed Atlantis three times in five years, for three different reasons (two of them by THE SAME WRITER), and can't get straight whether Two's relationship with the Time Lords (or even whether he can remember things that haven't happened to him yet!), continuity's probably the least of our problems.
I always took the Kenny hitting the fire alarm while the Doctor is still working it out moment to be a bit of social commentary on how young people are not as incapable of unintelligent as media and older generations like to constantly berate them for being. I even take the Doctor’s beaming smile (in a “I wish I’d thought of that” way) as praise for the child. Britain tends to have a very negative bias against children/young people so I saw this as a “Give them a fucking chance, they may surprise you.” type of story
the bigger mystery for me from Robots of Sherwood was whether Robin Hood himself was a robot, they seemed to be implying he was since his existence in history in the first place is dubious so there was alot of dialogue from the Doc about he may or may not be to avoid having to address the question directly.
So in day of the doctor they come up with a plan to break down a door using the sonic but it needs centuries of calculations to actually work which is said to be ok because all three of them have the same sonic with different casings. For this to line up with the flesh doctor being handed a sonic it would require the doctor to carry more than one, it's the only thing that makes sense.
I always just assumed the Tardis spit a new one out and he grabbed a new sonic, wasn't confusing to me. What was confusing was if Robin Hood was ever actually real or a Robot.
The Twelfth Doctor's second screwdriver Edit The Doctor tests out his new screwdriver. (TV: Hell Bent) After spending a period of time using a combination of sonic sunglasses and his green-emitter sonic screwdriver, (COMIC: Clara Oswald and the School of Death) the Twelfth Doctor was gifted a new model by the TARDIS. While one account showed him gaining it after he had found Gallifrey at the end of the universe, (TV: Hell Bent)
I think back in 2017 I would have liked a scene of the Simm Master running past cybermen to get to his TARDIS and having his regeneration into Missy, but I like the theory that The Sasha Master comes before missy, so instead a scene of Simm having a regeneration into Sasha Dwan would probably be better.
The Fisher King originated from Arthurian legend. The Fisher King is a wounded king, a guardian of the Grail, and due to his wounds, all he is capable of is fishing from the river near his castle. Likewise, this alien could be seen as a similar character. He was stranded, and was "fishing" for people. The whole ghost story of this two-part episode. I don't remember the specifics of these episodes, but I believe he was called that due to his similar character traits. For further reference, see The Fisher King in Criminal Minds, who was a wounded man playing mind games with the BAU by duplicating moments of the Arthurian legend. In the original legend, is is Percival who "heals" the Fisher King by asking the king a specific question, although this might be allegory of Percival setting the king's mind at ease, but Arthurian legend does involve magic, so it could be a literal healing.
She was in the room when the "Source" aka The Globe That Starts Terraforming was smashed. The energy that came out of her when she came back to life was supposed to be some of the Source energy, which is what brought her back to life. Eventually. A bit like how Spock was resurrected on the Genensis planet.
I want to know what ever happened to Jenny. She was actually a character I thought had an interesting plot ahead of her and I expected her to run into future Doctor incarnations at random showing him how much she had grown and changed. Or maybe not changed... She'd have made a cool companion. I think that because she was literally part timelord that it gave her the ability to come back to life, but not regenerate like a complete Timelord.
@@DiscoTimelordASD 10000000000000% Like yes, they forgot about her existence cause of the other plot points and the Doctor Donna arc and things and try and patch it up with audiobooks and comics where she tried to go after her dad (the past doctors and all) but falls all the time just nearing him. Reminds me of when Rose, tried to contact the doctor throughout Donna’s season but hey at least there was that. Jack Harkness tracker the doctor down and things plus he’s an immortal time traveller. At least Jenny could seek out the Doctor’s companion to ask em bout his whereabouts! Like we could see her go and talk to Amy and Rory, maybe she meets Sarah Jane Smith and etc. Also I find it so dumb that those people (the fish and military people) legit didn’t notify the doctor bout his daughter who just got revived though he was so fricking distraught and pissed and sad over the death of and he wanted to be a part of her life and everything. Like I know she said: ‘Don’t tell my father’ but like I don’t think they’d listen to her. There were (to my knowledge) two witnesses. And they’d probs have to report the stolen ship to someone, so what they tell me, it’s stolen and write it off?
Also, was that a "mystery" to anyone? Even an average kid might figure out that loud noises would scare animals. Doesn't require a smart kid to think of that.
The reason why the journeys end scene with Donna recognising the sound of the tardis was cut was because it didn’t make sense. Donna has just seen the doctor so surely if she would be able to recognise the tardis she would be able to recognise the doctor.
@Matthew Keck pretty much. And Chibnall's Torchwood work seeing as several people immediately associate "When we woke up the next morning, a dog was p***ing on our tent" from Cyberwoman with Chibnall.
Really easy. The first made the best episodes and some of the best series of DW, Sherlock, and Dracula; all of them (very) good... Meanwhile, the other made a mess of Torchwood and just killed DW !... Really easy. Really.
@@philippebernard4577 which is one of the reasons why Doctor Who fans associate Chibnall with "When we woke up the next morning , a dog was pissing on our tent."
Also, not related to doctor who, in Freddy vs Jason the original ending was filmed but then became a deleted scene. It’s basically just a sex scene but at the end it shows that Freddy survived, no sign of Jason tho. So basically Freddy beat Jason.
Nope, pretty sure every couple of years they make an episode where the doctor has either left his sonic in the tardis, lost it, had it stolen or broken it and he never has a backup.
it makes sense that the doctor wouldn't think of the fire alarm. he's thinking of them as aliens, whilst kenny has a less 'galactic' brain, so relates them to whatever closest fits, meaning bats. the doctor would've just been overthinking it
should have had a scene which explained how it didn't take the encouragement and social engineering of an omniscient white woman for rosa parks to keep her seat
That's not how I interpreted it. I took it as rosa parks keeping her seat always happened, crasco was trying to change this and nudge history out of place, so the team were doing their best to undo what crasco did. Rosa's actions were still her own, the doctor and co were undoing the actions of the alien interference.
@@emj7336 i can understand how you might draw such a conclusion if you're not familiar with Black History; but for people who know the facts surrounding the actual event it's offensive in the extreme, diminishing the very real horrors that were experienced in that time ~ do you know that the reason Rosa Parks kept her seat in the front tiers of the bus that fateful night was because all the positions where she would have been 'allowed' to sit were taken up, and the woman was so weary and in pain from finishing her work that day, she couldn't take it any more -- and the unfairness of being told to move drove her to that great act of bravery ? ~ yet what do we see in the show, but the Doctor and her companions taking up those spaces allocated to Black People; becoming the very cause of Rosa's dispossession, out of a place of knowing better than her what she needed ~ that smacks of "White Man's Burden", and evidences something in Chibnall who ostensibly seeks to right the wrongs of Ethnic Prejudice, yet still speaks from a position of superiority and knowing what's best for the po' uneducated folks who needs dem sum lerninz ~ ... the only question that remains is whether he aims his polemic at those of African heritage, or at the unwashed masses of his audience
The Fisher King probably gets his name from the Arthurian legend, he was the man tasked with guarding the Holy Grail. In the story, he is wounded in the legs and so can only sit down and fish
Aliens of London. A scene is cut short. When they drink the port the scene ends abruptly. Later on they discuss how, if they had the right equipment they could extract the vinegar from the port to use against the Slitheen. It would seem the drinking scene should have ended with them spitting out the spoiled port.
@10:00 (ish) What about the psychic field around the TARDIS explaining Donna sort of ignoring and continuing the call? It's rare that the TARDIS really gets a lot of attention, generally only special people even seem to notice it, or even though there's a translation/babel fish effect, almost no character ever asks, "What's a police call box?" Donna was kinda liked by the TARDIS and with the melding with the Doctor the TARDIS would be partially imprinted with it too, so it may have just pushed Donna away from that oddly familiar sound and back to her phone call.
I have never wondered why the Fisher King was killed by a wall of water. First, the name makes me think of Kingfisher, which is a type of bird that generally thrives on hunting fish. But they still breathe air and can be drowned. The Fisher King obviously breathes air since he walked around outside of the water. Even if he could breathe water as well, it was the physical impact of being hit by a wall of water that killed him, not drowning.
About Donna not hearing the iconic sound of the TARDIS engines, or hearing, but not reacting, her head not exploding from the overflow of memories and stuff, well what makes you think, that she heard the sound in the first place? It's Donna. She was indoor, the TARDIS was outdoor. In her second episode (Partners in Crime), she parked her mother's car in the street and just few moments after she left it, the Doctor landed the TARDIS nearby. She couldn't be far enough to not hear it and it was in a time, when she was actively searching for him, she knew the sound of the engines, yet it didn't force her to return/go search after the origin of the sound. So why should the mind wiped Donna recognize the sound in the End of Time then? Deleted scene, or not, it's Donna, she missed a lot of things, that happened earlier and even some, that happened after she went with the Doctor.
The screwdriver thing in the rebel flesh almost people, that raises the question about the screwdriver being the same device in the 50th, but ultimately the screwdriver gets its programming from the tardis so it works out.....sort of.....I think
The cyberman one, I am impressed they even thought of it and filmed it. Usually these shows or films, never address where the camera was from. I mean it could have just been another cyberman just stood there broadcasting from its eyes as we already saw they can do this, so no sure what the fans were unsure about.
If the real Doctor gave the Flesh Doctor his sonic screwdriver, did he get it back? Because if he didn't, then by the time of The Day Of The Doctor, 11's screwdriver is not the same one as War's or 10's, so it wouldn't have the solution to the calculation War started.
doesn't the tenth doctors screwdriver get completely busted in the eleventh hour aswell though? the one eleven gets from his tardis at the end of that episode isn't directly from the old one. most likely the calculation is just embedded in the screwdrivers code in the tardis aswell?
I have a mystery from Doctor Who i am curious about, at the climax of School Reunion, the school is blown up to kill the Krillitanes, during the celebration Kenny takes (undeserved) credit for blowing up the school and all the students celebrate and cheer his name. But what happens after the episode ends? As far as any bystanders know, Kenny was bullied at that school and then blows it up, something that would seriously land him in hot water with the authorises. It would be funny for him to end up having to serve serious prison time and develops a hatred for The Doctor (leading to a revenge story), who could of easily cleared everything up but instead let him be the fall guy and take all the blame.
Fisher King I always connected with the bird of the same name, so drowning seemed like a reasonable thing. But I’d also seen something about the doctor talking with the other guy about the King’s world being barren
A Fisher, is an animal similar to weasels, otters, and mink, are aquatic, can swim, and hunt for fish, hence its name fisher. A Fisher King in regards to the being, means he is harvesting peoples souls to do his bidding, to created a homing signal through time.
The Mickey getting across London was one thing, but what always bugged me was that Rose was completely clueless about the Auton duplicate. This is her boyfriend, and she doesn't twig at all that he suddenly looks like a Ken doll version of himself and is talking funny?
"Wouldn't it be counterintuitive to Drown a monster with Fish in the name?" well by that logic all people with Baker in their name are really made of Cake.
Mean Doctor does say he tends to lack the creativity of humans sometimes so maybe that why kenny could piece it together quickly, mostly cos the doctor thinks heavily logically imo
The 'Fisher King' is an ancient mythical figure from Wales, and closely connected to the Arthurian story cycle. Basically, he's an old, wounded Knight, who cannot walk, but gets about in a small boat, from which he fishes. He can be cured, however, by any Knight who finds the Holy Grail. It is stated that the lands from which he came, will be barren and infertile so long as he is wounded. The character in the Doctor Who story, was probably seen by local people (a local monster for local people?), in all the time he had been here, and they gave the monstrous figure his name - like most 'Cryptids', eg., Mothman, Bigfoot, etc.
with the screwdrivers in the almost people, i just assumed the flesh screwdriver turned into an actual screwdriver the same way that the flesh people became normal people (hopefully makes sense)
I interpreted the fire alarm scene as a way to show that while the Doctor likes to used elaborate plans and showy solutions this wallflower of a kid uses simple logic to solve the problem.
"Loud noises scare animals". It was a low tech solution thought of by an average kid. It wasn't a big mystery to anyone.
Regardless of whether or not the Fisher king could breathe underwater, getting smacked in the face by thousands of tons of water is going to kill anything dead.
Kill....anything....dead
Not the Midnight Entity...
Not the Vashta Nerada
not the flood
Not captain jack
"Journey's End" also has a deleted scene where the Doctor gives the Meta-Crisis Doctor a piece of the TARDIS and Doctor-Donna gives him instructions on how to grow it faster so he and Rose can travel their universe together. Don't remember why it was cut but probably for time. It's a nice moment though so I'm glad it exists.
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I think they felt it messed with the pacing and just wasn't necessary. RTD has talked about it but I am not sure.
It would have also opened the possibility for a spin off but I think they cancelled it because it would have been confusing to have two different doctors that look the exact same.
I prefer the idea of that Doctor and Rose settling down and having a somewhat normal life, growing a new Tardis and travelling again would kinda undermine that.
Why would he need instructions from them? He already knows everything the original Doctor knows.
"he literally has fish in his name" so do fishermen but I doubt they'd appreciate you bringing a dam down on them
I was thinking the same thing, I would have thought he was a catfisher before I would have thought he was a fish...
i always heard it as fissure king so i never second guessed it. plus even if you can breath water it;s hard to survive the impact of thousands of tons of it
I thought it had something to do with the bird.
@@cashagon
Just look up Fisher King in a book of folklore or on the web. It's been a thing for centuries. (And, no, there's no reason to think something with that name can't be drowned!)
plus, you know, it's a clear reference to the fisher king of arthurian legend
I've talked to so many people about the Fisher King. His name is based on the old Arthurian legend, he was the last keeper of the Holy Grail, but he had been injured so he waits for someone to come heal him (I think it was Percival in the end). He was also known as The Wounded King This is why the Fisher King in Doctor Who is waiting for one of his people to come wake him and save him, similar to the story of being healed.
I was about to leave a similar comment. Props to you.
thank you! that part tilted me
Correct, and it was Percival.
I was going to say that too!
The knight who heals the Fisher king changes between diffrent verisons of the story. As the knights get darker and edgier new "purest and most noble knight" gets added and takes over things that cna only be done by the pure of heart. I think the oldest version has either Arthur himself healing the fishing king or Lancelot, then when they took a level in flawed Gallahad got the job and then later Percival.
The empty wheelie bin makes sense if you consider that it's not a real wheelie bin. A real wheelie bin could not have eaten Mickey. So the guy putting out his wheelie bin THINKS it's full, but that's not his real wheelie bin. It's an Auton impostor.
Also, it's the FishER King, not the Fish King. You don't have to be a fish to go fishing for things. FishERs can drown.
I always assumed that the guy who put the bin out was an Auton duplicate too - and that it was him that collected it afterwards. Incidentally, the word 'Auton' is never used once in 'Rose', only 'Nestene'.
@@stifynbaker2914 'Auton' has never been used at any point in New Who. They've always used Nestene Consciousness or Nestene Duplicate, for whatever reason.
Carrie Fisher has the word fish in her name... I presume by your logic, that means she couldn't drown.
And yet she drowned in moonlight, strangled by her own bra.
Well she sure can't anymore.
Hmm. I never thought the fisherking should be able to survive under water. I sort of thought... Well a fisherman can drown...
Fisher King has nothing to do with fish, it's a reference to an Arthurian legend. And also a trope. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FisherKing
@@StormsparkPegasus yeah i know that now. But my point still stands. Why would the king of fishers. Be able to breathe under water? The fish king. Yes. The fisher king. No.
Fun fact Corey Taylor of Slipknot played him
dire wolf gaming Taylor was only the voice of him, an 8ft bloke played was the actual body
That deleated scene with Donna hearing TARDIS, I remembered what 9th Doctor said to Mickey in Cardiff in episode Boom town:
"Ricky, let me tell you something about the human race. You put a mysterious blue box slap bang in the middle of town, what do they do? Walk past it..."
A LOT was cut from Toby Whithouse's "Before The Flood". His original script is available on BBC Writersroom. Many of the episode's plot holes are addressed. Definitely recommend people give it a read.
That episode feels like it could have been like one of the 'Classic Series' story arcs.
So you're saying it was written to be a three-parter?
@@coladict no, the story was written as a two parter but a lot of scenes were changed, shortened or cut out completely - moreso in "Before The Flood" than "Under The Lake".
this is the coolest piece of information i have heard all year thank you so much
It's still by far my favorite episode in the show since S8. I'm not sure edits did the episode disservice.
For that last one, I always thought it was the sheer force of the water hitting the Fisher King that killed him.
Yeah, even an actual fish isn't going to survive that! (as evidenced by the sheer amount of marine life that tends NOT to survive a tsunami)
Same
Also plenty of rock-fishers get swept off the rocks and drown around my part of the world. And that is in spite of them having both 'rock' AND "fish' in their job description!
Outside the Arthurian reference...
"Fisher" = "one who fishes".
Do... Do you think fishermen can't drown?
right lol. even if it had gills to breathe water, the forces from that much mass would crush you like a car hitting you.
Even with us humans. we breathe air. Explosions cause shockwaves through the air which damage us and kill us. We breathe air, and air pressure waves kills us also.
But with that explanation that makes the Deleted scene create more problems what would he fish in a barren world and what is he kinging over?
Or the literal fisher king bird...they definitely can't breathe water.
The stuff with the robot in robots of sherwood was meant to be in the final cut of the episode but there was a terrorist attack a couple of days before broadcast where someone was beheaded and the bbc insisted on the subplot being cut because of insensitivity.
Funnily enough this wasn’t the last time a Capaldi episode was cut because of a recent sensitive incident as the scene in the pyramid at the end of the world where the monks show how the world is going to come to be destroyed wasn’t global warming but humanity destroying itself.
"Literally anything David Tennant says counts as sexy" is the funniest thing I've heard lately. I rewatched all his episodes and this has been a constant thought as of late.
The episode with the pirates and the Siren (Season 6 Episode 3) has a character straight up disappear halfway through without any explanation only to turn up at the end in the hospital.
To be honest, I think the Cyber Camera man still has a gun with the camera, they all probably have cameras on them
My new headcanon is that the doctor has like 3 sonics on him at all times. 😂
And probably a wrench
@@themostbritishpersonalive868 he used to have a laser spanner, too.
To be fair I simply presumed that another cyberman had a camera. Hardly a confusing moment.
Or even that since they confirmed cybermen's eyes are cameras that they can access, you would just need another cyberman to be standing there and look at him, then broadcast that cyberman's eye cameras to the world while he delivers the message.
Friendly reminder that the doctor STILL hasn't visited his granddaughter yet even though he said he'd come back
He sees her again in The Five Doctors.
@@gregoryyeager4675 I was not aware of that,I'll check it out thanks
Didn't Ten visit her when he did his last goodbyes trip to visit a bunch of former companions? Eleven talks about it in the Sarah Jane Adventures.
@@SpeedyCheetahCub I haven't had a chance to listen to the big finish adventures yet
I haven't had a chance to listen to the big finish adventures yet
Him: “It has fish in its name so surely it can’t be drowned”
Fisherman: Super bowl meme plays*
Eighth Doctor's "half human" comment, in my head it's a disarming technique to get people on side, so he's half Sycorax on his mother's side if it'll get him out of a bind.
Rule 1: The Doctor lies.
I always thought he said that to make the person feel more at ease. He was clearly lying, but said it so she wouldn't think of him just as an "alien".
could even just be meaning it metaphorically, like "i spend so much time with humans i'm basically half human"
The problem is it's not The Doctor who first identifies himself as half-human, The Master does.
WHY the hell did the Doctor just leave Manhattan when there was literally a weeping angel still standing around in the cemetery? The whole population of Earth would have been overrun by unkillable enemies within months, but for some reason that doesn't happen and the Doctor doesn't even think about it. They literally went from "we need to throw all angels in this episode into some space rift because that's the only imaginable way to get rid of them" to "there's a weeping angel standing around in one of the most densely populated cities, but who cares lol". It got even worse in that last Xmas special with Matt Smith where they were almost killed by weeping angels just because the writer wanted a short scary scene but then the doctor spends a few hundred years on that planet and nothing happens. Or the weeping angel scene in that virtual hotel prison where the writer conveniently forgot the "every image of an angel is an angel" bit he himself introduced earlier...
In regards to the Christmas special, there is a short scene where it is shown that the Doctor trapped the Weeping Angels with mirrors.
I always thought of it like a timey wimey situation, with that Angel being one of the 4 from Blink.
It would explain how those 4 knew about the TARDIS and to get rid of the Doctor.
That angel in Manhatten was just about to die so the Doctor probably assumed it couldn't get to anyone in time, and he was pretty distraught at the time so there's a good chance he just didn't think of it at all.
I thought about the "image of an Angel" thing in the hotel episode (God Complex).
This isn’t deleted scene related but it’s something no one ever mentions. In ‘Aliens of London’ the Doctor accidentally travels 12 months late meaning the rest of Series 1 takes place in 2006 and Series 2 therefore takes place in 2007. It is possible that series 3 took place in 2007 as well but that would mean that Harriet Jones was Prime Minister for barely over a year before the Master took over. Presumably the PM from Children of Earth took over quickly meaning from 2005 to 2008 there were 5 Prime Ministers: Blair (presumably), Slitheen, Harriet Jones, the Master, the Children of Earth one.
pretty sure the fisher king was killed by the wall of water smashing into him, as opposed to drowning serenely when the valley got flooded.
Erm, the top floor of Torchwood tower was chock-a-block with computers- - - - complete with webcams. Perhaps Young Kenny just knows about bats.
Scenes (or lines) I wish had been cut:
Castrovalva, episode 4: after the reveal of his plans, the Master absents himself. “The fireplace - it’s his TARDIS!” Tegan shouts.
I feel like the episode would have been all the cooler if Castrovalva *itself* had been the Master’s TARDIS. It would really have driven home the point of the Master’s creations rebelling against him.
As an aside, the reason its called the Fisher King is a reference to the legend of King Arthur, specifically Parsival, where an old man who represents death and entropy is called the fisher king. It woudl have been neat to show that the name was given to him as an accolade or out of fear but it's there.
Ok, but no millennial actually calls people on their phone.
This is so true lol
Millennials are also starting to turn 40 this year 😂
I don't think this guy realizes he's a millennial by definition.
I always considered myself genX since Pepsi spice girls mtv all advertised to GenX when I was a teen and millenial came way later. But I hate hate calling people. I should call my landlord. Tried WhatsApp and email he never even read those messages 😂
Is he joking about the millenium thing I can't tell
"the doctors daughter" where does she go and will she ever come back.
My thoughts exactly!
She got a few audio adventures on Big Finish.
And she appeared in some comics as well
They really should bring her back, or give her a spin-off since jack, Sarah and some others got spinoffs in torchwood, the adventures of Sarah Jane smith and the short lived Class. Torchwood is the best spinoff of all time imo
@@LeahBouley Honestly, she does need a spin off and finally reuniting with her parent since she’s being running after him in the comics and things.
This video proves what I have been saying since 2005, the classic series may not have had the fx budget but because the stories were stretched out over several episodes they were of a higher standard
You left out the scene where Rory’s father finds out that he died, but they adopted a son.
There's no "plot hole" there.
@@arahman56 Maybe not, but still - "hey, wait a second, did anyone ever bother to tell Brian what happened to his son and daughter-in-law?" definitely was a question I was asking by the end of The Angels Take Manhattan. This scene admittedly wasn't deleted so much as never shot (my guess is that Mark Williams wasn't available to shoot it, since the eventually-released storyboard does have Arthur Darvill's voiceover in it, so Darvill wasn't the issue).
One thing has bugged me since the 50th anniversary, does the Tradis backup the sonic's software? The scene where the three doctors are working out the subroutine for the wooden door, they use a line like "It's the same screwdriver, just different casings", but Ten had his broken or destroyed at least a couple of times, and 11 had his bitten in half by a sky shark. And if the TARDIS does keep a backup, shouldn't 12 or 13's work on freaking wood by now? And yes, I know 13 builds a new Sonic from scratch, but you'd think once she got back to the TARDIS she would've patched back in centuries of data it had collected.
Also, speaking of Whittaker's run, is there any deleted scene that explains how the Master is freaking alive?
There's no need for a deleted scene to explain why the Master is alive, it was all explained fully in 'The Magician's Apprentice': "Okay, cutting to the chase, not dead, back, big surprise, never mind." Delivered in Michelle Gomez' lovely dour Scots deadpan.
And that's a whole lot better than the classic series' explanation, which basically amounted to Tony Ainley pulling off a (paper-thin) disguise and shouting, "ta-da!"
I think the thing with the wood is incrediblely specific, so it would on,y work on that door.
Also the master comes back constantly without explanation, John Sims master gets off galifray to that colony ship, then becomes Missy, but the masters Tardis shouldn’t have been able to break the time lock. In witch’s familiar Missy is surrounded by Daleks and says ai just had a very good idea. The next time we see her is on the execution planet before the vault.
If you are desperate for an explaintion, O Master is pre Missy and likely pre Sim Master, due to his old who use of the shine device and how Missy did stand with the Doctor and they were friends again, even if the Doctor didn’t know. Regeneration doesn’t change the knowledge Missy was the Doctors friend again so even with the stupid timeless child thing, O Master wouldn’t have tried fighting the Doctor if he was after Missy.
@@DragonsDungeon I thought maybe O Master Master follows Simm Master; and later on becomes Missy? But your theory works as well
Would love a deleted scene to explain that mystery woman's identity in The End of Time. I mean, even in the commentary it's heavily implies she was the Doctor's mother, but with the massive retcon that's now impossible.
A common theory that references the books is that she was Romana, She was president until Rassilon came back and the Doctor described her as looking like his mother aka the woman who raised him. Plus this is Doctor Who there is very little thats impossible
Interesting fact is that The Fisher King coming from Arthurian Myth made its way in the TV Show Merlin which Colin Morgan who played the titular character also appears in DW in the episode named Midnight as Jethro Cane
The Seventh Doctor was recognised as Merlin when he visited King Arthur
Geoffroi Le Hook basically it all comes together then
Regarding the garbage bin. Two situations could happen here.
A) the man himself was an Auton and just prepared the trap for Mickey.
B) the bins usually ARE outside (at least in my country) and the man might be doing something, requiring the bin inside, then putting it outside to it's proper place. Sure it was empty, but he could use it in his workshop to put away dust from woodworking or whatever, you don't usually see most dust, more of, if it's not in huge tremendous amounts. He might be working on his hobbies, requiring the bin, then simply returning it, where it belongs. Not really the end of the world, why a man puts an empty garbage bin outside, is it?
The voice thing of "hey, you can actually drown him", would give away the surprise, that he deals with the FishER (not FISH, but FISHER) King this way. It was awesome, how you couldn't know until the last moment, what will happen, the constant switches between the past (Doctor in the church) and the present/future (the stasis chamber opening, supposedly with the main villain coming out of it), only to find out, the Fisher King drowned and the one coming out the stasis chamber was the Doctor. It would really kill the tension, the effect of surprise. It's honestly, what made this episode so great in my opinion. The Doctor was sure to die there and was saved at the last moment, when he tricked the Fisher King about the words in the ship, just to replace him in the chamber. Even programmed his "ghost" to tell them, that the "room opens", which should either warn them about the enemy waking up, or the Doctor coming out of it. So I'm really glad that voice never happened. The deleted conversation might be great as long as they didn't spoil the outcome right away. Hey, let's drown him, because he's most likely not that "fishy" as his name implies. If they talked just about his origin, coming from a barren world, then yea, the Doctor might conclude, that he might still be susceptible to drowning (although I think that rather than drowning, he was killed by the masses of the water bursting out of the dam).
By that "fisher logic" if i become a fisherman i can't be hurt by water?
As I recall the Robot of Sherwood scene was finished, but was cut from the episode due to a real-life beheading which made the news about half a week before the episode aired. The only version we have is the unfinished effects version on the home releases of Series 8.
I always thought Kenny didn't consume the Krillitane oil fries (and he was probably immune anyways); it didn't mean Kenny was any dumber than the other kids; he was at leat naturally as smart as the the other kids.
The new screwdriver would create a plot hole in day of the doctor when they say that the War Doctor Ten and Eleven have the same screwdriver and use it to do hundreds of years of calculations in a matter of seconds.
So, Mickey had been in contact with the Nestenes already. The dummy’s arm, remember? It fixated on Rose AND Mickey. That’s why the Nestene Consciousness knew where they were.
How to make your TARDIS silent: TuRn ThE bReAkS oFf
I'd have deleted the last 2 seasons and put a montage of Sly McCoy for half an hour
Fun fact: Cory Taylor (of Slipknot fame) did the roar the Fisher King made.
The robot scene in robots of sherwood was cut because back in 2014 there was a recent, sad news story about terrorists cutting heads off journalists. It was cut to avoid controversy and the story was reframed to avoid upsetting viewers.
About the noise of the Tardis, a future episode, as well as previous Classic Who episodes actually somewhat explain it: that noise can be silenced whenever the Doctor or whoever is currently piloting it wants to. The Doctor, knowing his Tardis noise would risk killing Donna through brain overload, most likely silenced it before take off.
The Cyberman Camera makes no sense, considering they then look through the eyes of other cybermen when discovering the daleks.
Would have loved a deleted scene featuring “O’s first encounter with the Doctor in Spyfall Part 1 or 2 and maybe a deleted scene for the timeless child to further explain some regeneration stuff etc. Ooh also a deleted scene for the haunting of Villa Dio Dati to clear up the continuity concerning the 8th Doctor audios with Mary Shelley
Anything that isn’t the tv show isn’t consider cannon to the tv show, other wise if everything was cannon everything would be contradictory even if ya just compared some audio stories or comics without the tv show
Samuel Whittaker big Finish Productions is cannon
In night of the doctor we see him name drop the big finish companions
@@davrososwald7287 Big Finish name dropped some 8th Doctor novels companions early on, before deliberately (some might say maliciously) retconning that out of existence. Name drops on their own are nods to the fans and are still ambiguous, unless you think that "The Doctor Falls" happens to canonise all the DWM comic strips as well?
(Also - can people please start spelling CANON correctly. CANON is "works that are recognised as genuine". CANNON is "a large piece of artillery".)
@@KillerMeme The TV show has contradicted itself many times, which is why a definitive Doctor Who canon is all but impossible to define. As Terrance Dicks once said, "continuity is whatever the writer could remember".
@@KillerMeme When Eight regenerates, he very clearly names all of his Big Finish companions. 'Time Heist' includes a wanted poster for Abslom Daak. 'Day of the Doctor' has the poster for the the first Dalek movie. Steven Moffatt evidently considers that the answer to the question "What is canon?" is "ALL OF IT!"
...of course, that still leaves us with the problem of why Six doesn't remember beating the Cybermen/Dalek alliance as Three, or why Ten doesn't remember that he already defeated the Family of Blood when he was Seven, or why Three doesn't remember being Two-and-a-half for a story, or why Four doesn't remember when he fought the Daleks when he was Three-and-a-half....
...You know what? In a TV series that doesn't remember that it destroyed Atlantis three times in five years, for three different reasons (two of them by THE SAME WRITER), and can't get straight whether Two's relationship with the Time Lords (or even whether he can remember things that haven't happened to him yet!), continuity's probably the least of our problems.
The whole ep the timeless children
I always took the Kenny hitting the fire alarm while the Doctor is still working it out moment to be a bit of social commentary on how young people are not as incapable of unintelligent as media and older generations like to constantly berate them for being. I even take the Doctor’s beaming smile (in a “I wish I’d thought of that” way) as praise for the child. Britain tends to have a very negative bias against children/young people so I saw this as a “Give them a fucking chance, they may surprise you.” type of story
the bigger mystery for me from Robots of Sherwood was whether Robin Hood himself was a robot, they seemed to be implying he was since his existence in history in the first place is dubious so there was alot of dialogue from the Doc about he may or may not be to avoid having to address the question directly.
So in day of the doctor they come up with a plan to break down a door using the sonic but it needs centuries of calculations to actually work which is said to be ok because all three of them have the same sonic with different casings. For this to line up with the flesh doctor being handed a sonic it would require the doctor to carry more than one, it's the only thing that makes sense.
I always just assumed the Tardis spit a new one out and he grabbed a new sonic, wasn't confusing to me. What was confusing was if Robin Hood was ever actually real or a Robot.
I think they concluded that Robin Hood was real.
The Twelfth Doctor's second screwdriver Edit
The Doctor tests out his new screwdriver. (TV: Hell Bent)
After spending a period of time using a combination of sonic sunglasses and his green-emitter sonic screwdriver, (COMIC: Clara Oswald and the School of Death) the Twelfth Doctor was gifted a new model by the TARDIS.
While one account showed him gaining it after he had found Gallifrey at the end of the universe, (TV: Hell Bent)
I think back in 2017 I would have liked a scene of the Simm Master running past cybermen to get to his TARDIS and having his regeneration into Missy, but I like the theory that The Sasha Master comes before missy, so instead a scene of Simm having a regeneration into Sasha Dwan would probably be better.
The Fisher King originated from Arthurian legend. The Fisher King is a wounded king, a guardian of the Grail, and due to his wounds, all he is capable of is fishing from the river near his castle. Likewise, this alien could be seen as a similar character. He was stranded, and was "fishing" for people. The whole ghost story of this two-part episode. I don't remember the specifics of these episodes, but I believe he was called that due to his similar character traits.
For further reference, see The Fisher King in Criminal Minds, who was a wounded man playing mind games with the BAU by duplicating moments of the Arthurian legend.
In the original legend, is is Percival who "heals" the Fisher King by asking the king a specific question, although this might be allegory of Percival setting the king's mind at ease, but Arthurian legend does involve magic, so it could be a literal healing.
"He has fish in his name"...yeah....no. His name was FishER...It knows how to catch fish, not how to become one.
C'mon
"The Doctor's daughter" - How did Jenny survive without actually regenerating?
She was in the room when the "Source" aka The Globe That Starts Terraforming was smashed. The energy that came out of her when she came back to life was supposed to be some of the Source energy, which is what brought her back to life. Eventually.
A bit like how Spock was resurrected on the Genensis planet.
I want to know what ever happened to Jenny.
She was actually a character I thought had an interesting plot ahead of her and I expected her to run into future Doctor incarnations at random showing him how much she had grown and changed. Or maybe not changed...
She'd have made a cool companion.
I think that because she was literally part timelord that it gave her the ability to come back to life, but not regenerate like a complete Timelord.
@@DiscoTimelordASD May I refer you to Big Finish - Jenny The Doctors Daughter Series.
@@DiscoTimelordASD 10000000000000%
Like yes, they forgot about her existence cause of the other plot points and the Doctor Donna arc and things and try and patch it up with audiobooks and comics where she tried to go after her dad (the past doctors and all) but falls all the time just nearing him.
Reminds me of when Rose, tried to contact the doctor throughout Donna’s season but hey at least there was that.
Jack Harkness tracker the doctor down and things plus he’s an immortal time traveller. At least Jenny could seek out the Doctor’s companion to ask em bout his whereabouts! Like we could see her go and talk to Amy and Rory, maybe she meets Sarah Jane Smith and etc.
Also I find it so dumb that those people (the fish and military people) legit didn’t notify the doctor bout his daughter who just got revived though he was so fricking distraught and pissed and sad over the death of and he wanted to be a part of her life and everything.
Like I know she said: ‘Don’t tell my father’ but like I don’t think they’d listen to her. There were (to my knowledge) two witnesses. And they’d probs have to report the stolen ship to someone, so what they tell me, it’s stolen and write it off?
I think the IRL reason it never happened - tho it was an idea - She married David and started a family.
Ben Miller would have been a great Master. Looks like Anthony Ainley.
Why did he put out an empty bin? Well, what if he didn't and it had just already been emptied and not been brought back in again?
I knew the Sheriff was a cyborg. It says so in the Doctor Who Visual Dictionary.
School Reunion, wasn't the oil on the chips that EVERY child had access to. So his brain function would have been higher than average.
he never ate the chips
Also, was that a "mystery" to anyone? Even an average kid might figure out that loud noises would scare animals. Doesn't require a smart kid to think of that.
@@Paulafan5 scare? probably yes. But being totally intolerable? not so obvious.
The reason why the journeys end scene with Donna recognising the sound of the tardis was cut was because it didn’t make sense. Donna has just seen the doctor so surely if she would be able to recognise the tardis she would be able to recognise the doctor.
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How about ranking either Moffat's or Chibnall's work on Doctor Who before becoming showrunner?
@Matthew Keck pretty much. And Chibnall's Torchwood work seeing as several people immediately associate "When we woke up the next morning, a dog was p***ing on our tent" from Cyberwoman with Chibnall.
I'd be fascinated to see Mark Gatiss and Jamie Mathieson episode rankings too
Really easy. The first made the best episodes and some of the best series of DW, Sherlock, and Dracula; all of them (very) good... Meanwhile, the other made a mess of Torchwood and just killed DW !...
Really easy. Really.
@@philippebernard4577 which is one of the reasons why Doctor Who fans associate Chibnall with "When we woke up the next morning , a dog was pissing on our tent."
Also, not related to doctor who, in Freddy vs Jason the original ending was filmed but then became a deleted scene. It’s basically just a sex scene but at the end it shows that Freddy survived, no sign of Jason tho. So basically Freddy beat Jason.
I've always assumed that every bone in the Fisher King's body shattered when the massive rush of water hit him and that's how he died
"Fisher King", I mean, pretty sure fishermen can be drowned.
7:00 So the Doctor just carries around multiple screwdrivers.
Nope, pretty sure every couple of years they make an episode where the doctor has either left his sonic in the tardis, lost it, had it stolen or broken it and he never has a backup.
@@RWoody1995 True...
it makes sense that the doctor wouldn't think of the fire alarm. he's thinking of them as aliens, whilst kenny has a less 'galactic' brain, so relates them to whatever closest fits, meaning bats. the doctor would've just been overthinking it
"Todd Howard phone" - I laughed at that.
should have had a scene which explained how it didn't take the encouragement and social engineering of an omniscient white woman for rosa parks to keep her seat
That's not how I interpreted it. I took it as rosa parks keeping her seat always happened, crasco was trying to change this and nudge history out of place, so the team were doing their best to undo what crasco did. Rosa's actions were still her own, the doctor and co were undoing the actions of the alien interference.
@@emj7336 i can understand how you might draw such a conclusion if you're not familiar with Black History; but for people who know the facts surrounding the actual event it's offensive in the extreme, diminishing the very real horrors that were experienced in that time
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do you know that the reason Rosa Parks kept her seat in the front tiers of the bus that fateful night was because all the positions where she would have been 'allowed' to sit were taken up, and the woman was so weary and in pain from finishing her work that day, she couldn't take it any more -- and the unfairness of being told to move drove her to that great act of bravery ?
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yet what do we see in the show, but the Doctor and her companions taking up those spaces allocated to Black People; becoming the very cause of Rosa's dispossession, out of a place of knowing better than her what she needed
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that smacks of "White Man's Burden", and evidences something in Chibnall who ostensibly seeks to right the wrongs of Ethnic Prejudice, yet still speaks from a position of superiority and knowing what's best for the po' uneducated folks who needs dem sum lerninz
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... the only question that remains is whether he aims his polemic at those of African heritage, or at the unwashed masses of his audience
@@ChristyOFaghan thank you for your response, a lot more points for me to consider than I had realised.
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@@ChristyOFaghan The "Rosa" story was written by Malorie Blackman.
The Fisher King probably gets his name from the Arthurian legend, he was the man tasked with guarding the Holy Grail. In the story, he is wounded in the legs and so can only sit down and fish
Aliens of London. A scene is cut short. When they drink the port the scene ends abruptly. Later on they discuss how, if they had the right equipment they could extract the vinegar from the port to use against the Slitheen. It would seem the drinking scene should have ended with them spitting out the spoiled port.
@10:00 (ish) What about the psychic field around the TARDIS explaining Donna sort of ignoring and continuing the call? It's rare that the TARDIS really gets a lot of attention, generally only special people even seem to notice it, or even though there's a translation/babel fish effect, almost no character ever asks, "What's a police call box?" Donna was kinda liked by the TARDIS and with the melding with the Doctor the TARDIS would be partially imprinted with it too, so it may have just pushed Donna away from that oddly familiar sound and back to her phone call.
Kenny figuring out the fire alarm makes sense because the food the kids were eating made them super intelligent.
Yes however kenny never ate the chips that had the oil on them, so kenny wasn’t affected or made super intelligent
@@jamieplays2563 Your right it doesn't make sense.
Fisher King, also has "fisher" in his name. A fisher is not a fish! Fishers can be drowned, obviously.
I have never wondered why the Fisher King was killed by a wall of water. First, the name makes me think of Kingfisher, which is a type of bird that generally thrives on hunting fish. But they still breathe air and can be drowned. The Fisher King obviously breathes air since he walked around outside of the water. Even if he could breathe water as well, it was the physical impact of being hit by a wall of water that killed him, not drowning.
The first one never really flagged up as a problem as I just assumed he was being filmed by a computer webcam
About Donna not hearing the iconic sound of the TARDIS engines, or hearing, but not reacting, her head not exploding from the overflow of memories and stuff, well what makes you think, that she heard the sound in the first place? It's Donna. She was indoor, the TARDIS was outdoor. In her second episode (Partners in Crime), she parked her mother's car in the street and just few moments after she left it, the Doctor landed the TARDIS nearby. She couldn't be far enough to not hear it and it was in a time, when she was actively searching for him, she knew the sound of the engines, yet it didn't force her to return/go search after the origin of the sound. So why should the mind wiped Donna recognize the sound in the End of Time then? Deleted scene, or not, it's Donna, she missed a lot of things, that happened earlier and even some, that happened after she went with the Doctor.
The screwdriver thing in the rebel flesh almost people, that raises the question about the screwdriver being the same device in the 50th, but ultimately the screwdriver gets its programming from the tardis so it works out.....sort of.....I think
The cyberman one, I am impressed they even thought of it and filmed it. Usually these shows or films, never address where the camera was from. I mean it could have just been another cyberman just stood there broadcasting from its eyes as we already saw they can do this, so no sure what the fans were unsure about.
Great channel keep it up really enjoy it it is much better than some guy who just totally bags everything
If the real Doctor gave the Flesh Doctor his sonic screwdriver, did he get it back? Because if he didn't, then by the time of The Day Of The Doctor, 11's screwdriver is not the same one as War's or 10's, so it wouldn't have the solution to the calculation War started.
doesn't the tenth doctors screwdriver get completely busted in the eleventh hour aswell though? the one eleven gets from his tardis at the end of that episode isn't directly from the old one. most likely the calculation is just embedded in the screwdrivers code in the tardis aswell?
Also that ridiculous rush of water and debris would have ripped the Fisherking to shreds. Flash floods are no joke
I have a mystery from Doctor Who i am curious about, at the climax of School Reunion, the school is blown up to kill the Krillitanes, during the celebration Kenny takes (undeserved) credit for blowing up the school and all the students celebrate and cheer his name. But what happens after the episode ends? As far as any bystanders know, Kenny was bullied at that school and then blows it up, something that would seriously land him in hot water with the authorises. It would be funny for him to end up having to serve serious prison time and develops a hatred for The Doctor (leading to a revenge story), who could of easily cleared everything up but instead let him be the fall guy and take all the blame.
Fisher King I always connected with the bird of the same name, so drowning seemed like a reasonable thing. But I’d also seen something about the doctor talking with the other guy about the King’s world being barren
A Fisher, is an animal similar to weasels, otters, and mink, are aquatic, can swim, and hunt for fish, hence its name fisher. A Fisher King in regards to the being, means he is harvesting peoples souls to do his bidding, to created a homing signal through time.
The Mickey getting across London was one thing, but what always bugged me was that Rose was completely clueless about the Auton duplicate. This is her boyfriend, and she doesn't twig at all that he suddenly looks like a Ken doll version of himself and is talking funny?
"Wouldn't it be counterintuitive to Drown a monster with Fish in the name?"
well by that logic all people with Baker in their name are really made of Cake.
"anything david tennant says is sexy"
Preach bro, preach
Mean Doctor does say he tends to lack the creativity of humans sometimes so maybe that why kenny could piece it together quickly, mostly cos the doctor thinks heavily logically imo
Fisherking unofishcially fishes. So like any fisherman, can drown. 😅
I hope The Timeless children has lots of deleted scenes.
About 45 minutes worth should do it.
The reason the beheading scene was cut was because about 5 days before original broadcast an old lady was beheaded somewhere in the UK
How about a deleted scene which explains why the Sheriff of Nottingham looks so much like Anthony Ainley's Master?
It's a good look. All discerning villains try to use it if they can.
Thats what i was thinking i guess some of the generation hasnt looked back far enough to remember it.
The 'Fisher King' is an ancient mythical figure from Wales, and closely connected to the Arthurian story cycle. Basically, he's an old, wounded Knight, who cannot walk, but gets about in a small boat, from which he fishes. He can be cured, however, by any Knight who finds the Holy Grail. It is stated that the lands from which he came, will be barren and infertile so long as he is wounded.
The character in the Doctor Who story, was probably seen by local people (a local monster for local people?), in all the time he had been here, and they gave the monstrous figure his name - like most 'Cryptids', eg., Mothman, Bigfoot, etc.
5:25 Doesn't everyone know about bats not liking loud noises? They have super sensitive hearing.
with the screwdrivers in the almost people, i just assumed the flesh screwdriver turned into an actual screwdriver the same way that the flesh people became normal people (hopefully makes sense)
13 sees the Master
a voice in the back of her head "You can drown him!"
In mythology a Fisher King is simply the last of a bloodline who is unable to produce a new offspring.