Right, the child was Chaotic Neutral at worst. He didn't know that what he did was wrong. His mind was affected by the nanogenes and he pretty much acted entirely on impulse and instinct, no different than an animal. You don't call an animal evil for unknowingly spreading a "disease" either.
@@HunhowsShadowStalker so basically the idiots from Chernobyl weren't villains? To me they are. Even if it was a mistake. So as the empty child If something evil happens whoever did it, no matter with or without intention, is evil If a cop shoots, by mistake, an innocent black person, he will be considered evil because he was a dumbass
@@szekesfehervar2230 Evil (noun) - profoundly immoral and wicked. You need a sense of morality to be evil. Someone who doesn't have a concept of "good" or "evil" can't be placed in either category. The Empty Child was a husk driven forward by a single thought: "I want my mommy". He literally didn't have enough of a brain to understand what he did and therefor was no different than a sick animal. The cop in your example would've been condemned for his idiocy, but he would only be "evil" if he didn't regret his action. If the cop felt terrible and did what he could to make it right with the victim's family, would he still be evil? Your example is too vague as we don't know the thoughts behind the cop's actions or the context behind the example. Did he _choose_ to kill the man only to find out later that he was innocent? Did something happen that caused the cop to shoot the man while he intended to shoot an actual criminal? Did the man jump between the cop and his target as a suicide attempt? Also, why specifically a _black_ man? "An innocent man" would've been enough, no need to bring race into this, unless you want me to think "Oh, he's black so the cop is racist". I don't look at people's races and don't take that into account unless it's made clear that the race is important. There's a difference between "doing the wrong thing" and "being evil".
@@HunhowsShadowStalker Everything is a matter of perception I could be considered evil if I kill somebody's wife/husband in self defense although deep down I wanted to kill that person because I needed an infailable reason to do it. So...am I evil for self-defending despite wanting to kill that person without telling anyone I wanted to kill that person and didn"t do anything to make that person attack me so I could self-defend?
No strax? Rusty? Handles? I know we never really saw them being bad, but we know full well they were. Ashildr. Good, bad, good bad, somewhat inbetween, bad good. Jack. Started out as a conman. Also Rory the robot.
@@katiem656 really, i can think of far more interesting and definitely better villains turned good missy doesnt count as we dont know where sashas master comes, many think hes after john simm but before missy, either way doesnt make sense, if hes before which alot of people seem to think why doesnt missy doesnt relate any of the facts that the doctor is the child, redemption arc completely pointless zygons just because they are peaceful in the episodes dont mean thats right as anything could spark them off again, what about if the doctor lets slip ""by the way i was involved in your warlords death", its also only a mutual existence ill keep going if you want
Some of these characters weren't villains - they were victims, infected or mutilated, and they didn't turn good, they just got cured/fixed. The empty child is a prime example, but there are others. The converse is Dalek Sec - he didn't really become good, he was infected by humanity and got cured by other Daleks the only way they knew how.
I know this is old but the correct term is antagonist since they go against the protagonist, and antagonist aren't always evil so I'm guessing that's what doctor who usually goes off seeing as some villains aren't evil or they are just doing something bad for the benift or their race/family So in this case the title should really be called times when the antagonist turned good or joined the doctor but villain sounds better
I was going to say, the empty child wasn't a villain because the nanobots didn't know they were doing anything wrong. They just had wrong information about what they thought humans were supposed to be like and were trying to "cure" everyone else. On a similar thread, in Smile, the robots didn't realise they were wrong. They thought they were "curing" sadness by killing people experiencing grief, as they hadn't been programmed to deal with grief before.
If Dalek Sec makes the list, why not Dalek Caan? Sec becomes "good" for a very short while and doesn't change anything. Caan orchestrated the downfall of the Daleks.
Caan was still very mischievous, sinister and crazy. Sec was far more rational and had purer motives. Although yes, Sec didn’t change much. But he was still more “good” than Caan
@@danimations1440 Mm, I disagree. He was an antagonist, but I wouldn't call him(?) a _villain_ . Being a villain IMO requires some degree of intellect, which is something the Empty Child never really had.
When I first started watching Doctor Who, I paused it for a while because I though living plastic and ghosts were ridiculous.... Now it's quite normal for me.
The gunslinger, i think his name was Kahler Jex, in A Town Called Mercy, started out unforgiving and ruthless, hunting down anyone outside the towns bounds. At the end, after his dutt was fulfilled, he took uo a new position guarding the town as its sheriff. One of the happier stories of Series 7.
I am surprised they didn’t use Turlough. He’s a pretty big antagonist turned ally in the canon. I am also surprised The Ice Warriors didn’t get an honorable mention since they got character or I guess species development that allowed them to switch between bad guy and good guy thanks to their complex military culture.
Well, it wasn't River Song's fault she started off as a villain in her timeline. Madame Kovarian stole her as a baby from Amy and Rory, brainwashed her and conditioned her and trained her as assassin to kill The Doctor.
Strange you missed the best example of this, Sara Kingdom. She was an unquestioning killer, shooting her own brother to death, but ends up sacrificing herself to save the solar system from the Daleks. Also, we saw River as a young child being pleasant to people whilst regenerating, before being captured and programmed to be a killer.
Never listened to The Dalek Masterplan, but I thought Mrs. Marsh did an amazing job returning to her old Who role in Big Finish’s Companion Chronicles audio books starting with the episode titled Home Truths.
I was under the impression that the John Simm Master then regenerated as the "O" Master, who then (at some future point) regenerates into Missy. So the Master is out of sync with the Doctor in terms of the order in which they meet.
@@julieeverett7442 the Big Finish audio adventures confirm the Master’s timeline/order of regenerations. The diary of River Song series 5 confirms the Saxon Master regenerated into Missy (without remembering how/why). Missy series 2 confirms Missy used forbidden Timelord technology to turn into the Lumiat since the blast from the laser screwdriver prevented her from a normal regeneration. Missy kills the Lumiat who begins to regenerate into the current version of the Master.
Oh yes I really hope Missy was the regeneration after I or along that timeline because it was one of my favourite masters or mistresses lol 😂 She grew so much.
I think what I loved about Cassandra was she became an example of how age rots you as a person. She was over 300 at least during her first encounter with the Doctor. As we see when Cassandra (as Chip) goes back to see herself as a young woman, Cassandra was such a kind soul that she willingly held who she believed to be a complete stranger in her arms as they died, offering comfort and calling for aid. Cassandra was clearly a good person when she was younger, vain maybe. But nobody unkind would offer aid to a stranger so willingly
I can't remember her name off hand but the lady who ran London Torchwood. She captured the Doctor and her actions allowed the Cybermen to break through the dimension barrier. Once she was made into a Cyber man her loyalty to Queen and Country lead to her attacking the Cyber men.
Yeah, even Turlough did that at the end of his introductory story arc, only difference is he gets rewarded by his attempted sacrifice by not only living, but defeating his tormentor The Black Guardian in the process.
There is also Lytton from the fifth Doctor story “Resurrection of the Daleks” who was an all out bad guy who reappears in the sixth Doctor story 'Attack of the Cybermen' where he turned out to be working against the Cybermen and the sixth Doctor does not realise untill it is too late.
@@epiendless1128 Indeed. I have just signed up to Britbox which has all the avilable classic era Who episodes, so I am going to watch the Lytton stories back to back.
Not so much. Remember that Turlough had been tricked by the Black Guardian into thinking that the Doctor was incredibly evil. Even at that, he never seemed enthusiastic about the idea of doing the deed.
Turlough wasn't so much of a villain as he was just a coward, it wasn't until later that he learned to stand up for himself and others in the face of danger
Jedi Spartan 38 It’s all the missing episodes. This is the list: . Marco Polo - 7/7 Episodes Missing . The Reign of Terror - 2/6 Episodes Missing (Animated) . The Crusade - 2/4 Episodes Missing . Galaxy 4 - 3/4 Episodes Missing . Mission to the Unknown - 1/1 Episodes Missing (Animated & Recreated) . The Myth Makers - 4/4 Episodes Missing . The Daleks’ Master Plan - 9/12 Episodes Missing . The Massacre of St Bartholomew’s Eve - 4/4 Episodes Missing . The Celestial Toymaker - 3/4 Episodes Missing . The Savages - 4/4 Episodes Missing . The Smugglers - 4/4 Episodes Missing . The Tenth Planet - 1/4 Episodes Missing (Animated) . Power of the Daleks - 6/6 Episodes Missing (Animated) . The Highlanders - 4/4 Episodes Missing . The Underwater Menace - 2/4 Episodes Missing . The Moonbase - 2/4 Episodes Missing (Animated) . The Macra Terror - 4/4 Episodes Missing (Animated) . The Faceless Ones - 4/6 Episodes Missing (Animated) . Evil of the Daleks - 6/7 Episodes Missing . The Abominable Snowmen - 5/6 Episodes Missing . The Ice Warriors - 2/6 Episodes Missing (Animated) . The Web of Fear - 1/6 Episodes Missing . Fury from the Deep - 6/6 Episodes Missing (Animated) . The Wheel in Space - 4/6 Episodes Missing (Episode 1 Partly Animated) . The Invasion - 2/8 Episode Missing (Animated) . The Space Pirates - 5/6 Episodes Missing I’m an expert of Missing Episodes
I don't believe it's been established that the most recent Master is a regeneration after Missy. And for that matter we saw Missy go down, but never actually got a body. She looked dead, but... of course this may be wishful thinking on my part. I'd love to see Michelle Gomez return as The Master, not that Sacha Dhawan is bad, he's great! And speaking of wishes, I wish Jodie Whittaker would continue as the Doctor, and Chris Chibnall would be replaced. As always thank you so very much for your video, and all the effort and observations that went into it.
I mean the mater survives Everything, he already died countless times so the chances that Missy survived or at leat regenerated into another Master is quite high
cool list - love the No. 1 pick especially. worth me mentioning Garman and several other Kaled scientists/soldiers from 'Genesis of the Daleks', if for nothing else but them simply turning against Davros by the story's end.
I like to think Missy is from a later part of the Master's timeline. Much like River when we met her during her last mission what if Missy is the Master's last regeneration.
What about Sharaz Jek? Don't forget that, while he was cold, calculating and ruthless, he felt guilty when he discovered the Doctor and Peri had spectrox, and told him where to find the toxaemia. That information practically saved Peri's life.
Interesting, for sure. However it will take human sacrifice to accomplish. Like with the Slitheen "you've forgotten there used to be a real woman called Margaret". So even if it improves the moral compass of the daleks, that doesn't make it a "good" option, compared to just leaving the humans alone.
Joining in the master convo with What if instead of the doc being the timeless child the master was ut would give reason to all the hate towards time lords and how they keep popping up even when they die in a way which stops regeneration (for example missy [without witness, without reward])
I so wanted to see Rattigan become a companion, actually. It would of been an interesting step for someone who has already lost all faith in humanity, and then lost faith in alien life just as fast. Repairing his ideals and morals would of been an amazing story trip
I loooved how missy became good in the end, it felt like such a good payoff and I was routing for her to become good. Which made her death much more tragic.
I would like to see Prisoner Zero return after being released on parole as a untrustworthy companion who does eventually go through a redemption arc Also I would like to see the Zygons established as straight up villains again
Dalek Sec is probably my favourite Dalek as he wants to change the Daleks into a less hostile species and wanted the Doctors help to do so Dalek Sec > Davros
Well, it's interesting given what the Daleks say to Davros in Genesis of the Daleks: "We are programmed to survive. We have the ability to adapt in any way necessary to ensure that survival." Dalek Sec is an example of that actually happening.
Does River Song belongs to this list? Dolores would say no, because all evil acts were not a result of free will and or free choice, but her good deeds were.
@@donvolio yeah I personally like alot of his work even more silly stuff like sonic glasses because that is what I imagine as the doctor a mad silly person in a blue box
The Master we saw most recently might not have regenerated from Missy. there could well be a few incarnations between John Simm and Michelle Gomez. I believe it was deliberately left open ended so that could be a possibility; which would make more sense given the Master's personality in season 12 as it was a lot closer to the Harold Saxon version than Missy
"Eventually the humans and zygons ended up on the same side" That's a funny way of saying everyone in the room's memory was wiped so they weren't sure if they were a zygon or not...
Last year I binged Stargate, this year I binged Doctor Who(New). The amount of fans and content is crazy, very happy to have a ton of fans making awesome stuff to enjoy. Love Stargate too but the fan base is much smaller, and there's less to content to consume.
I just had to research - Dalek Sec reminds me of the antagonist Scaroth from City of Death, a long lived alien affecting human history... just a comment.
Christopher Eccleston this betrayal in that episode was pretty damn badass and so he wants to have a moment of Happiness back the f*** off check the doctor just have a mind and happiness get off his back okay I'm not exactly a big Christopher Eccleston fan but that was pretty damn badass I love that letter jacket on him which was made it even more of a badass
The gunslinger in A Town Called Mercy. Ms. Karabraxos from Time Heist. The War Doctor (though we never got to see why all the other Doctors spurned him. Only his redemption.) While the Empty Child was an amazing story, technically, the nanogenes were never evil to begin with. Just a big misunderstanding. On a side note, thanks for adding classic Who entries too. That green bubble wrap scared the pants off me as a little kid.
8:45 My current head canon in regards to that is that the latest incarnation is either pre Delgado or from some point around the time of the various incarnations seen in Big Finish before the Jacobi incarnation joined the Time War in the War Master box set.
@dr103 Ok, what's the chronology of the Big Finish Masters, I'm currently under the assumption that Alex Macqueen's Master from Dark Eyes comes between Roberts and Jacobi.
Gustave Lytton was a baddie with the Daleks and Cybermen, but eventually turned good. The Sixth Doctor even commented on how badly he misjudged Lytton. tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Gustave_Lytton
Okay, just a bit of a statement; I haven't really seen the Empty Child nor George Cranleigh as villains all that much. Those Nanogenes that did what they did to Jamie were just trying to save him, but didn't understand much about human physiology (they thought that his gas mask was actually a part of his body) and later did the same to all those other humans because they thought that they were the same as Jamie (good to see the misunderstanding was cleared up). Cranleigh meanwhile had become insane from what that tribe did to him. He was even imprisoned by his own Mother (Lady Cranleigh) and Latoni (who have both been somewhat labelled as villains, though I know that they were just doing what they thought was the right thing) and his death was from after his brother Charles attempted to reunite with him, only for George to fall off the roof. Also, the Master was introduced in the show to be (as you said) the Moriaty to the Doctor's Sherlock and he and the Doctor have been forced into situations that have required them to work together (the Master even tried to get the Doctor on his side a couple of times) and I still hold up the fact (until the evidence comes in for the truth) that the latest incarnation of the Master was from somewhere between his "Harold Saxon" and "Missy" incarnations. And (although they weren't also mentioned) it's good to see that Dalek Sec wasn't the only Dalek to see the error of his ways (with "Rusty" fighting against the Daleks and Dalek Caan's bringing the Doctor and Donna together so as to stop the Daleks).
You missed a lot from the classic series. Sara Kingdom in The Dalek Masterplan, who started out as a stone cold killer who took out her own brother (played by future Brigadier actor Nicholas Courtney, which definitely makes it worse). Then there's Tobias Vaughn in The Invasion who comes good in the last episode and helps the Doctor defeat the Cybermen having been a superb Who villain up to that point. Turlough joined the TARDIS crew to *kill* the Doctor but eventually turned against his boss, the Black Guardian. And Lytton is an outright villain in Resurrection of the Daleks, but dies trying to save the Cryons in Attack of the Cybermen and the Doctor laments that he misjudged him.
Hmmm... you did kind of leave out the ultimate villain to good guy story, Turlough. Also people who were possessed, hypnotized, or taken over but then manage to overcome the conditioning can hardly be considered to have been villains themselves at all eve. Otherwise the Doctor was a villain whenever he was possessed. As for the Zygons, a race is often only as bad as its villainous leader; just look at the Silurians. And River Song did not start as a villain; she started as a little girl, then as Mels the trusted childhood companion of her own mother.
I don’t think that chibnal’s master came after missy, I think he was the regeneration before, I mean even missy said she couldn’t really remember her regenerations. I can’t accept that the master would go back, I mean Missy’s ark was just too powerful
No she isn't alive as her body was destroyed she was saved to a data bank... for her to be alive that data would have to be transferred back into a new body. Cough cough cyborg body like nardol
@@ewanohare2264 that’s on how you define life. Are you defining life by the body you inhabit or your consciousness. Though River’s body was destroyed. She still lived on, and could possibly have had her consciousness transferred to another body if she liked.
I like river song but its not her fault when she was evil. Plus her timeline is backwards if you think about it. The master on the other hand just wanted the drums to stop he wasn't as bad as everyone thinks if you go in his shoes.
River never started out as a Villain from anyone’s perspective She was the Daughter of Amy & Rory and was only being used as a Weapon by the True Villains and never planned the killing of the Dr.
The whatculture scripts usually have a lot of hilarious lines but every now and then they strike gold with lines like “By far the most devious bitch of a trampoline” I laughed so hard
Mike Yates went all environmentalist as a result of the events of The Green Death, which resulted in him betraying UNIT and the Doctor as he sided with the baddies in Invasion of the Dinosaurs. When he got found out he was discharged from UNIT. He turned up again in Planet of the Spiders where he went to considerable lengths to redeem himself. And, happily, he survived.
Eccleston was a great "Introduction" Doctor to ease us back into the show. We didn't know him long enough to get a good grasp of him, which is why there weren't many who complained when he Regenerated. Tennant was a great "post-Time War" Doctor, where we see his conflict and how it affects him. He could be extremely dark at times and that was often quite scary. Smith was a great "Funny" Doctor, almost always able to get a laugh out of us. He had his serious moments, but his humor never suffered for it. Capaldi was a great "Crazy old guy" Doctor, mixing his grumpy seriousness with his humor. He always had a comeback and was quite clear when he had enough of someone's crap. Whitaker still needs time to get through, but so far, she's a good "Socially confused" Doctor. She surrounds herself with a group of companions because she needs to re-learn how to be social. While Tennant is indeed my personal favorite as well, it's based entirely on opinion and if you prefer a different Doctor, you're not wrong in any way. Opinions differ and I can respect your opinion, provided you don't belittle others for theirs.
In the classic series there was a character who was evil but turned good but failed trying to redeem himself. The Captain from "The Pirate Planet". In "The Pirate Planet", The Captain was a cybernetic space pirate on the hollowed out planet Zanak that had the ability to travel across space and destroy other planets and strip them of their minerals. The 4th Doctor, Romana and K9 soon discovered The Captain was working for the planet's evil ruler Queen Xanxia and she was using The Captain to destroy other worlds and strip them off their minerals to keep her alive. The Captain rebelled against Queen Xanxia and Queen Xanxia killed him.
it's not in the show but Adam Mitchell from the 9th (or technically 10th depending on how you see it) doctor Christopher Eccleston series was a good one. he went into the future, got that brain implant, annoyed the doctor and was forced to live in the present hiding his secret, shortly after the dr and rose stranded him his mother died and (believing future knowledge could've saved her) he vowed revenge on the doctor, kidnapping a time agent, stealing his vortex manipulator and travelling through time stealing all of the doctor's companions from him (with the help from the master) and then bringing him to the time vault to choose only one he could save. to cut the rest short all of the doctors showed up saved them all, the master tried to destroy all the tardis' but Adam Mitchell turned good and saved them all and all the doctors suddenly liked him and gave him a gravestone in the time vault.
Where's Novice Hame? Where is Madame Vastra? Where is the one good dalek from Peter capaldi's 12th doctor run? Where are the silence? Where's the Gunslinger, from a town called Mercy?
The Silence don't really fit the definition of a villain turning good. They were part of the Church originally, but split with the Kovarian chapter, so the other way 'round, from kinda neutral into a villain. Though we see that from the other perspective, when Tasha Lem explains it to the Doctor, kinda thing like with River and the Doctor meeting each other in the opposite ways. First the Kovarian chapter split, then Tasha explains that while we've already seen them being bad long ago.
They should have had Missy be The Rani as intended. She was my first Who Villain and merely making male Time Lords female isn’t representation... Also can we bring back Lady Cassandra before she became the skin sheet...
I am ashamed to admit that I’ve only seen one episode of doctor who. Which is when Cassandra was switching between the doctor and the woman he was with. I’ve been missing out on a epic series
I'm surprised you left out Dalek Khan (sp?) from Stolen Earth/Journey's End, when we learn that HE set the whole thing up. He said he'd examined what the Daleks are and found them wanting, apparently. Remember, Davros was livid when the Dalek truly expressed what he'd done.
he’s the designated “villain” of that story. Obviously it isn’t always so black and white in terms of who is good and who is bad but the Empty Child can definitely be called a villain
zygons shouldnt count, reason being they didnt know there warlord had died if they had know the doctor was the cause of this there could be a different situation
The empty child was never a villain. It was a child infected and looking for his mother. He never intended to harm anyone.
Right, the child was Chaotic Neutral at worst. He didn't know that what he did was wrong. His mind was affected by the nanogenes and he pretty much acted entirely on impulse and instinct, no different than an animal. You don't call an animal evil for unknowingly spreading a "disease" either.
@@HunhowsShadowStalker That's exactly the plot of just about any zombie film
@@HunhowsShadowStalker so basically the idiots from Chernobyl weren't villains?
To me they are. Even if it was a mistake.
So as the empty child
If something evil happens whoever did it, no matter with or without intention, is evil
If a cop shoots, by mistake, an innocent black person, he will be considered evil because he was a dumbass
@@szekesfehervar2230 Evil (noun) - profoundly immoral and wicked.
You need a sense of morality to be evil. Someone who doesn't have a concept of "good" or "evil" can't be placed in either category.
The Empty Child was a husk driven forward by a single thought: "I want my mommy". He literally didn't have enough of a brain to understand what he did and therefor was no different than a sick animal.
The cop in your example would've been condemned for his idiocy, but he would only be "evil" if he didn't regret his action. If the cop felt terrible and did what he could to make it right with the victim's family, would he still be evil? Your example is too vague as we don't know the thoughts behind the cop's actions or the context behind the example. Did he _choose_ to kill the man only to find out later that he was innocent? Did something happen that caused the cop to shoot the man while he intended to shoot an actual criminal? Did the man jump between the cop and his target as a suicide attempt?
Also, why specifically a _black_ man? "An innocent man" would've been enough, no need to bring race into this, unless you want me to think "Oh, he's black so the cop is racist". I don't look at people's races and don't take that into account unless it's made clear that the race is important.
There's a difference between "doing the wrong thing" and "being evil".
@@HunhowsShadowStalker Everything is a matter of perception
I could be considered evil if I kill somebody's wife/husband in self defense although deep down I wanted to kill that person because I needed an infailable reason to do it. So...am I evil for self-defending despite wanting to kill that person without telling anyone I wanted to kill that person and didn"t do anything to make that person attack me so I could self-defend?
No strax?
Rusty?
Handles?
I know we never really saw them being bad, but we know full well they were.
Ashildr. Good, bad, good bad, somewhat inbetween, bad good.
Jack. Started out as a conman.
Also Rory the robot.
agreed this list is honestly crap
Rusty is not a good Dalek, the Doctor is a good Dalek!
Rusty is not a good dalek, he's a dalek that hates all other daleks
Snake Daemon Gaming i don't think so
@@katiem656 really, i can think of far more interesting and definitely better villains turned good
missy doesnt count as we dont know where sashas master comes, many think hes after john simm but before missy, either way doesnt make sense, if hes before which alot of people seem to think why doesnt missy doesnt relate any of the facts that the doctor is the child, redemption arc completely pointless
zygons just because they are peaceful in the episodes dont mean thats right as anything could spark them off again, what about if the doctor lets slip ""by the way i was involved in your warlords death", its also only a mutual existence
ill keep going if you want
Some of these characters weren't villains - they were victims, infected or mutilated, and they didn't turn good, they just got cured/fixed. The empty child is a prime example, but there are others. The converse is Dalek Sec - he didn't really become good, he was infected by humanity and got cured by other Daleks the only way they knew how.
My first thought when i saw this video thumbnail was Missy - " NO! I Haven't Turned GOOOOD..."
they are all classed as “villains” within their episodes, and they all turned good at some point. so it works
I know this is old but the correct term is antagonist since they go against the protagonist, and antagonist aren't always evil so I'm guessing that's what doctor who usually goes off seeing as some villains aren't evil or they are just doing something bad for the benift or their race/family
So in this case the title should really be called times when the antagonist turned good or joined the doctor but villain sounds better
I was going to say, the empty child wasn't a villain because the nanobots didn't know they were doing anything wrong. They just had wrong information about what they thought humans were supposed to be like and were trying to "cure" everyone else. On a similar thread, in Smile, the robots didn't realise they were wrong. They thought they were "curing" sadness by killing people experiencing grief, as they hadn't been programmed to deal with grief before.
If Dalek Sec makes the list, why not Dalek Caan? Sec becomes "good" for a very short while and doesn't change anything. Caan orchestrated the downfall of the Daleks.
@Seto Kaiba 123 no that was the donna doctor
Caan was still very mischievous, sinister and crazy. Sec was far more rational and had purer motives. Although yes, Sec didn’t change much. But he was still more “good” than Caan
Would probably be a good shoe in for the empty child, who was never a villain to begin with.
Matthew Marden he was definitely the vilIan, even if he wasn’t evil per se
@@danimations1440 Mm, I disagree. He was an antagonist, but I wouldn't call him(?) a _villain_ . Being a villain IMO requires some degree of intellect, which is something the Empty Child never really had.
“THE QUESTION, THE FIRST QUESTION, THE QUESTION YOUVE BEEN RUNNING FROM ALL YOUR LIFE, DOCTOR-
“Who wrote Beethoven’s Fifth?”
The Eleventh Doctor that’s smart ngl
@@bstewart8891 thank you
@@AnglicanFish what's with the fish fingers and custard?
@Joseph Hentschel why you ask me this
I remember googling the boot strap paradox.
I never realized how crazy doctor who sounds if you’ve never watched it
When I first started watching Doctor Who, I paused it for a while because I though living plastic and ghosts were ridiculous.... Now it's quite normal for me.
@@annam3243 mmhm
Honestly, it’s pretty crazy anyway 😂
@Joseph Hentschel no
i cant actually remeber the first ime i watched doctor who now im a mad person in a fez
The gunslinger, i think his name was Kahler Jex, in A Town Called Mercy, started out unforgiving and ruthless, hunting down anyone outside the towns bounds. At the end, after his dutt was fulfilled, he took uo a new position guarding the town as its sheriff. One of the happier stories of Series 7.
Kahler was Fuckin cool. Made me think of RoboCop but a western
My first thought too. A Town Called Mercy is one of my favorite episodes.
@@Kissfan96dr Im not really a fan of 11th but this was a favourite of mine too
5th Doctor companion Turlough was a spy/ assassin for the Black Guardian before turning on him and assisting The Doctor
I am surprised they didn’t use Turlough. He’s a pretty big antagonist turned ally in the canon. I am also surprised The Ice Warriors didn’t get an honorable mention since they got character or I guess species development that allowed them to switch between bad guy and good guy thanks to their complex military culture.
@@Popcultureguy3000 in fairness, it’s *characters,* not *species.* If he was talking about *species,* then they’d probably make the list
Well, it wasn't River Song's fault she started off as a villain in her timeline. Madame Kovarian stole her as a baby from Amy and Rory, brainwashed her and conditioned her and trained her as assassin to kill The Doctor.
Daniel Williamson to be fair she wasn’t bad for very long on the show ngl
@@bstewart8891 I was talking about The Doctor meeting River out of chronological order.
Daniel Williamson ik
Didnt Madame Kovaran do this to stop The Doctor from reaching Trenzalore? I believed before her death she would have had a change of heart.
Strange you missed the best example of this, Sara Kingdom.
She was an unquestioning killer, shooting her own brother to death, but ends up sacrificing herself to save the solar system from the Daleks.
Also, we saw River as a young child being pleasant to people whilst regenerating, before being captured and programmed to be a killer.
Never listened to The Dalek Masterplan, but I thought Mrs. Marsh did an amazing job returning to her old Who role in Big Finish’s Companion Chronicles audio books starting with the episode titled Home Truths.
I still can't believe Chibnall just threw away all of the Master's character development when he was still Missy.
He threw away just about everything from 2004 to 2017.
I was under the impression that the John Simm Master then regenerated as the "O" Master, who then (at some future point) regenerates into Missy. So the Master is out of sync with the Doctor in terms of the order in which they meet.
we have no proof the sims master and missy directly follow on from each other, the spy fall master COULD come between them
@@julieeverett7442 the Big Finish audio adventures confirm the Master’s timeline/order of regenerations. The diary of River Song series 5 confirms the Saxon Master regenerated into Missy (without remembering how/why). Missy series 2 confirms Missy used forbidden Timelord technology to turn into the Lumiat since the blast from the laser screwdriver prevented her from a normal regeneration. Missy kills the Lumiat who begins to regenerate into the current version of the Master.
Oh yes I really hope Missy was the regeneration after I or along that timeline because it was one of my favourite masters or mistresses lol 😂
She grew so much.
I think what I loved about Cassandra was she became an example of how age rots you as a person. She was over 300 at least during her first encounter with the Doctor. As we see when Cassandra (as Chip) goes back to see herself as a young woman, Cassandra was such a kind soul that she willingly held who she believed to be a complete stranger in her arms as they died, offering comfort and calling for aid. Cassandra was clearly a good person when she was younger, vain maybe. But nobody unkind would offer aid to a stranger so willingly
If I recall,she said she was like 2000 or something
I can't remember her name off hand but the lady who ran London Torchwood. She captured the Doctor and her actions allowed the Cybermen to break through the dimension barrier. Once she was made into a Cyber man her loyalty to Queen and Country lead to her attacking the Cyber men.
Yvonne Hartman! But technically she was never a villain because she stayed good even when she became a Cyberman
Bringing the cyber men through in the first place wasn't villain stuff?
Every turned good villain:
I am going to sacrifice myself
Yeah, even Turlough did that at the end of his introductory story arc, only difference is he gets rewarded by his attempted sacrifice by not only living, but defeating his tormentor The Black Guardian in the process.
“Are you my mummy!-ff-k off kid!” 😂
There is also Lytton from the fifth Doctor story “Resurrection of the Daleks” who was an all out bad guy who reappears in the sixth Doctor story 'Attack of the Cybermen' where he turned out to be working against the Cybermen and the sixth Doctor does not realise untill it is too late.
Really surprised Lytton wasn't on the list. Even the Doctor commented on how he'd misjudged Lytton.
@@epiendless1128 Indeed. I have just signed up to Britbox which has all the avilable classic era Who episodes, so I am going to watch the Lytton stories back to back.
What about Turlough ? He was supposed to kill the doctor before turning good as well.
Yeah, I was surprised that he missed this list.
Not so much. Remember that Turlough had been tricked by the Black Guardian into thinking that the Doctor was incredibly evil. Even at that, he never seemed enthusiastic about the idea of doing the deed.
Turlough wasn't so much of a villain as he was just a coward, it wasn't until later that he learned to stand up for himself and others in the face of danger
I see what your doing with that thumbnail. Cheeky buggers the lot of ya.
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She looks good to me 😁
@Mister Perfection mm lovely
Rattigan was so great. Ryan Sampson has so much acting range (esp. comparing this to Grumio from Plebs)
Yeah he was awesome in his episodes. Very hateable in a Draco Malfoy sort of way
Oh heCK I did not realise they were played by the same dude oh my god
Salve Rattigan.
Alright Doctor.
TOP 10 MISSING DOCTOR WHO STORIES PLEASE
The 97 Missing Episodes need more attention
Is that the all of the missing stories or only the ones that haven't been recreated in animation?
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It’s all the missing episodes. This is the list:
. Marco Polo - 7/7 Episodes Missing
. The Reign of Terror - 2/6 Episodes Missing (Animated)
. The Crusade - 2/4 Episodes Missing
. Galaxy 4 - 3/4 Episodes Missing
. Mission to the Unknown - 1/1 Episodes Missing (Animated & Recreated)
. The Myth Makers - 4/4 Episodes Missing
. The Daleks’ Master Plan - 9/12 Episodes Missing
. The Massacre of St Bartholomew’s Eve - 4/4 Episodes Missing
. The Celestial Toymaker - 3/4 Episodes Missing
. The Savages - 4/4 Episodes Missing
. The Smugglers - 4/4 Episodes Missing
. The Tenth Planet - 1/4 Episodes Missing (Animated)
. Power of the Daleks - 6/6 Episodes Missing (Animated)
. The Highlanders - 4/4 Episodes Missing
. The Underwater Menace - 2/4 Episodes Missing
. The Moonbase - 2/4 Episodes Missing (Animated)
. The Macra Terror - 4/4 Episodes Missing (Animated)
. The Faceless Ones - 4/6 Episodes Missing (Animated)
. Evil of the Daleks - 6/7 Episodes Missing
. The Abominable Snowmen - 5/6 Episodes Missing
. The Ice Warriors - 2/6 Episodes Missing (Animated)
. The Web of Fear - 1/6 Episodes Missing
. Fury from the Deep - 6/6 Episodes Missing (Animated)
. The Wheel in Space - 4/6 Episodes Missing (Episode 1 Partly Animated)
. The Invasion - 2/8 Episode Missing (Animated)
. The Space Pirates - 5/6 Episodes Missing
I’m an expert of Missing Episodes
"Are you my mummy?"
Rich: Fuck off kid.
Perfect response
sleepy frank Imagine if The Empty Child & The Doctor Dances were Missing Episodes
@@theevildalek5425 maybe id have justified it if people skipped Nine then. Lol
The Ice Warriors should be on here, due to their appearances where they help The Doctor in stories set on Peladon.
I don't believe it's been established that the most recent Master is a regeneration after Missy. And for that matter we saw Missy go down, but never actually got a body. She looked dead, but... of course this may be wishful thinking on my part. I'd love to see Michelle Gomez return as The Master, not that Sacha Dhawan is bad, he's great! And speaking of wishes, I wish Jodie Whittaker would continue as the Doctor, and Chris Chibnall would be replaced.
As always thank you so very much for your video, and all the effort and observations that went into it.
I mean the mater survives Everything, he already died countless times so the chances that Missy survived or at leat regenerated into another Master is quite high
Love the channel, keep up the good work.
cool list - love the No. 1 pick especially.
worth me mentioning Garman and several other Kaled scientists/soldiers from 'Genesis of the Daleks', if for nothing else but them simply turning against Davros by the story's end.
The very first villains of the whole thing, that random tribe of cavemen, some of them started helping the doctor at the end
I like to think Missy is from a later part of the Master's timeline. Much like River when we met her during her last mission what if Missy is the Master's last regeneration.
Yep, I thought so. John Simm Master --> "O" Master --> Missy
me too
9:43 'Daleks... Gonna dalek.' damn bro, cool punchline.
Can I just say that talking about Dalek Sec while showing clips of Rusty from Into the Dalek in nothing short of genius editing? Well done!
What about Sharaz Jek? Don't forget that, while he was cold, calculating and ruthless, he felt guilty when he discovered the Doctor and Peri had spectrox, and told him where to find the toxaemia. That information practically saved Peri's life.
The empty child was never a villain he was the product of well meaning nanotechnology
Personally I liked the Dalek Sec Hybrid. A very interesting idea.
Yes!
Interesting, for sure. However it will take human sacrifice to accomplish. Like with the Slitheen "you've forgotten there used to be a real woman called Margaret". So even if it improves the moral compass of the daleks, that doesn't make it a "good" option, compared to just leaving the humans alone.
I still have not figured out where on the Master's timeline does Sasha's Master fit
You can’t know yet. No clues or evidence
@@matthewduncan8523 My view, the "Not telling" and manic laughter in Timeless Children is quoting same in Death in Heaven.
Lets just pretend that master doesn't exist in new who canon
Joining in the master convo with
What if instead of the doc being the timeless child the master was ut would give reason to all the hate towards time lords and how they keep popping up even when they die in a way which stops regeneration (for example missy [without witness, without reward])
I still have not figured out how any of Chibnall’s writing fits into anything
I so wanted to see Rattigan become a companion, actually. It would of been an interesting step for someone who has already lost all faith in humanity, and then lost faith in alien life just as fast. Repairing his ideals and morals would of been an amazing story trip
Surprised Turlough isn't on here. He tried to kill the Doctor over 3 consecutive stories
That's what I thought... most of these were one offs, how could they miss a whole companion?
Aaron Z Doctor Who is bloody ENORMOUS, it’s surprisingly easy to miss stuff
River Song ❤️❤️ My favourite character in DW history!
Favourite DW channel without a doubt. Can you do your top 10 favourite new who episodes
Awesome idea for a video 👍
I loooved how missy became good in the end, it felt like such a good payoff and I was routing for her to become good. Which made her death much more tragic.
I would like to see Prisoner Zero return after being released on parole as a untrustworthy companion who does eventually go through a redemption arc
Also I would like to see the Zygons established as straight up villains again
I wanna see a zygon as a companion. Changing shapes must come in handy for some travels
@@libbymiss id say have one that stands out more to begin with and has an established reputation as a villain. Makes the character more interesting
Dalek Sec is probably my favourite Dalek as he wants to change the Daleks into a less hostile species and wanted the Doctors help to do so
Dalek Sec > Davros
Well, it's interesting given what the Daleks say to Davros in Genesis of the Daleks: "We are programmed to survive. We have the ability to adapt in any way necessary to ensure that survival." Dalek Sec is an example of that actually happening.
Does River Song belongs to this list? Dolores would say no, because all evil acts were not a result of free will and or free choice, but her good deeds were.
"Everybody lives, Rose...."
And The Doctor knows that perfectly well -- it's why he's so giddy about actually being able to save people for once.
The doctor- kidnapped barbara and ian, tried to murder a caveman, only gradually became a good guy over the course of the first season
Say what's you want about capaldi's doctor but that zygon speech was amazing
He got unlucky with terrible writing
@@donvolio yeah I personally like alot of his work even more silly stuff like sonic glasses because that is what I imagine as the doctor a mad silly person in a blue box
@@donvolio You're in the minority mate
Ok, I'll say he's brilliant every second, and that he should have got the part in 1996 or, even better, 1986.
@@SimonFoston well in 1986 he was wowing us with his music!
The Master we saw most recently might not have regenerated from Missy. there could well be a few incarnations between John Simm and Michelle Gomez. I believe it was deliberately left open ended so that could be a possibility; which would make more sense given the Master's personality in season 12 as it was a lot closer to the Harold Saxon version than Missy
Easily one of the best channels on whatculture.
"Eventually the humans and zygons ended up on the same side"
That's a funny way of saying everyone in the room's memory was wiped so they weren't sure if they were a zygon or not...
I love this TH-cam channel
Last year I binged Stargate, this year I binged Doctor Who(New). The amount of fans and content is crazy, very happy to have a ton of fans making awesome stuff to enjoy.
Love Stargate too but the fan base is much smaller, and there's less to content to consume.
I just had to research - Dalek Sec reminds me of the antagonist Scaroth from City of Death, a long lived alien affecting human history... just a comment.
Christopher Eccleston this betrayal in that episode was pretty damn badass and so he wants to have a moment of Happiness back the f*** off check the doctor just have a mind and happiness get off his back okay I'm not exactly a big Christopher Eccleston fan but that was pretty damn badass I love that letter jacket on him which was made it even more of a badass
The episode with Kazran sardick was amazing also the woman who sing was beautiful and had such a lovely voice 😍😍😍
The gunslinger in A Town Called Mercy.
Ms. Karabraxos from Time Heist.
The War Doctor (though we never got to see why all the other Doctors spurned him. Only his redemption.)
While the Empty Child was an amazing story, technically, the nanogenes were never evil to begin with. Just a big misunderstanding.
On a side note, thanks for adding classic Who entries too. That green bubble wrap scared the pants off me as a little kid.
Dumbledore grew a heart and Madame Hooch didn't become a flap of skin.
8:45 My current head canon in regards to that is that the latest incarnation is either pre Delgado or from some point around the time of the various incarnations seen in Big Finish before the Jacobi incarnation joined the Time War in the War Master box set.
@dr103 Ok, what's the chronology of the Big Finish Masters, I'm currently under the assumption that Alex Macqueen's Master from Dark Eyes comes between Roberts and Jacobi.
Gustave Lytton was a baddie with the Daleks and Cybermen, but eventually turned good. The Sixth Doctor even commented on how badly he misjudged Lytton.
tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Gustave_Lytton
The lack of Dalek Caan on this list displeases me
What about Lytton from Resurrection of the Daleks and Attack of the Cybermen?
video idea: top 10 2 part episodes
Okay, just a bit of a statement; I haven't really seen the Empty Child nor George Cranleigh as villains all that much. Those Nanogenes that did what they did to Jamie were just trying to save him, but didn't understand much about human physiology (they thought that his gas mask was actually a part of his body) and later did the same to all those other humans because they thought that they were the same as Jamie (good to see the misunderstanding was cleared up). Cranleigh meanwhile had become insane from what that tribe did to him. He was even imprisoned by his own Mother (Lady Cranleigh) and Latoni (who have both been somewhat labelled as villains, though I know that they were just doing what they thought was the right thing) and his death was from after his brother Charles attempted to reunite with him, only for George to fall off the roof. Also, the Master was introduced in the show to be (as you said) the Moriaty to the Doctor's Sherlock and he and the Doctor have been forced into situations that have required them to work together (the Master even tried to get the Doctor on his side a couple of times) and I still hold up the fact (until the evidence comes in for the truth) that the latest incarnation of the Master was from somewhere between his "Harold Saxon" and "Missy" incarnations. And (although they weren't also mentioned) it's good to see that Dalek Sec wasn't the only Dalek to see the error of his ways (with "Rusty" fighting against the Daleks and Dalek Caan's bringing the Doctor and Donna together so as to stop the Daleks).
You missed a lot from the classic series. Sara Kingdom in The Dalek Masterplan, who started out as a stone cold killer who took out her own brother (played by future Brigadier actor Nicholas Courtney, which definitely makes it worse). Then there's Tobias Vaughn in The Invasion who comes good in the last episode and helps the Doctor defeat the Cybermen having been a superb Who villain up to that point. Turlough joined the TARDIS crew to *kill* the Doctor but eventually turned against his boss, the Black Guardian. And Lytton is an outright villain in Resurrection of the Daleks, but dies trying to save the Cryons in Attack of the Cybermen and the Doctor laments that he misjudged him.
I want to see a story set in the year 4000 or so where we see humans, zygons, and silurians living on Earth together.
Cristian-Ionut Apostol The Dalek Master Plan was set then. You have to pretend the Zygons and Silurians are present but out of shot.
Oooh, yessssss!!
Tobias Vaughn is another good choice.
9:14 please, call him Dalek Sex
Hmmm... you did kind of leave out the ultimate villain to good guy story, Turlough. Also people who were possessed, hypnotized, or taken over but then manage to overcome the conditioning can hardly be considered to have been villains themselves at all eve. Otherwise the Doctor was a villain whenever he was possessed. As for the Zygons, a race is often only as bad as its villainous leader; just look at the Silurians. And River Song did not start as a villain; she started as a little girl, then as Mels the trusted childhood companion of her own mother.
I don’t think that chibnal’s master came after missy, I think he was the regeneration before, I mean even missy said she couldn’t really remember her regenerations. I can’t accept that the master would go back, I mean Missy’s ark was just too powerful
I think everyone forgets that the doctor actually transferred River’s consciousness into the library. So River is still alive
No she isn't alive as her body was destroyed she was saved to a data bank... for her to be alive that data would have to be transferred back into a new body. Cough cough cyborg body like nardol
@@ewanohare2264 that’s on how you define life. Are you defining life by the body you inhabit or your consciousness. Though River’s body was destroyed. She still lived on, and could possibly have had her consciousness transferred to another body if she liked.
The Dalek that technically went on to destroy other Daleks. While still destroying and exterminating, he’s against his kind
I like river song but its not her fault when she was evil. Plus her timeline is backwards if you think about it.
The master on the other hand just wanted the drums to stop he wasn't as bad as everyone thinks if you go in his shoes.
Handles. The severed cyber man head that the doctor has in the tardis in The Time of the Doctor.
River never started out as a Villain from anyone’s perspective She was the Daughter of Amy & Rory and was only being used as a Weapon by the True Villains and never planned the killing of the Dr.
I don't know if I'd say River actually turned good :D She was always a bad, bad girl.
Let me just say Billie Piper is an excellent villainesse! I loved her in Penny Dreadful both her characters were awesome!
Amazing in Penny Dreadful, but so, so, many shots of her lady bits! 🤣
I love River song so I clicked
The whatculture scripts usually have a lot of hilarious lines but every now and then they strike gold with lines like “By far the most devious bitch of a trampoline” I laughed so hard
Just stopping by from TrekCulture, thanks for letting me know you exist, lol
River giving up all her regenerations is a moot sacrifice given the Timeless Child.
Mike Yates went all environmentalist as a result of the events of The Green Death, which resulted in him betraying UNIT and the Doctor as he sided with the baddies in Invasion of the Dinosaurs.
When he got found out he was discharged from UNIT.
He turned up again in Planet of the Spiders where he went to considerable lengths to redeem himself. And, happily, he survived.
David tenant was the best modern era doctor
LittleRedRhuari RRR I don’t agree
LittleRedRhuari RRR Matt smith is still great though
Isn’t that so obvious it doesn’t need saying.......
Eccleston was a great "Introduction" Doctor to ease us back into the show. We didn't know him long enough to get a good grasp of him, which is why there weren't many who complained when he Regenerated.
Tennant was a great "post-Time War" Doctor, where we see his conflict and how it affects him. He could be extremely dark at times and that was often quite scary.
Smith was a great "Funny" Doctor, almost always able to get a laugh out of us. He had his serious moments, but his humor never suffered for it.
Capaldi was a great "Crazy old guy" Doctor, mixing his grumpy seriousness with his humor. He always had a comeback and was quite clear when he had enough of someone's crap.
Whitaker still needs time to get through, but so far, she's a good "Socially confused" Doctor. She surrounds herself with a group of companions because she needs to re-learn how to be social.
While Tennant is indeed my personal favorite as well, it's based entirely on opinion and if you prefer a different Doctor, you're not wrong in any way. Opinions differ and I can respect your opinion, provided you don't belittle others for theirs.
3:27 gets me every time 😂😂
SARDICK really
funny i thought the doctor showed his past self his future
You should have more likes on this
In the classic series there was a character who was evil but turned good but failed trying to redeem himself. The Captain from "The Pirate Planet". In "The Pirate Planet", The Captain was a cybernetic space pirate on the hollowed out planet Zanak that had the ability to travel across space and destroy other planets and strip them of their minerals. The 4th Doctor, Romana and K9 soon discovered The Captain was working for the planet's evil ruler Queen Xanxia and she was using The Captain to destroy other worlds and strip them off their minerals to keep her alive. The Captain rebelled against Queen Xanxia and Queen Xanxia killed him.
The Zarbi from The Web Planet (1965).
the zarbi are probably the worst villains in the shows history
@@markcrorigan554 but yet they're still villains
The master only took a brief vacation from evil. Less than a full regeneration.
Where's Rusty? The Dalek who realised how monstrous the Daleks were and decided to return to the Time War to fight the Daleks
it's not in the show but Adam Mitchell from the 9th (or technically 10th depending on how you see it) doctor Christopher Eccleston series was a good one. he went into the future, got that brain implant, annoyed the doctor and was forced to live in the present hiding his secret, shortly after the dr and rose stranded him his mother died and (believing future knowledge could've saved her) he vowed revenge on the doctor, kidnapping a time agent, stealing his vortex manipulator and travelling through time stealing all of the doctor's companions from him (with the help from the master) and then bringing him to the time vault to choose only one he could save. to cut the rest short all of the doctors showed up saved them all, the master tried to destroy all the tardis' but Adam Mitchell turned good and saved them all and all the doctors suddenly liked him and gave him a gravestone in the time vault.
Where's Novice Hame?
Where is Madame Vastra?
Where is the one good dalek from Peter capaldi's 12th doctor run?
Where are the silence? Where's the Gunslinger, from a town called Mercy?
The Silence don't really fit the definition of a villain turning good. They were part of the Church originally, but split with the Kovarian chapter, so the other way 'round, from kinda neutral into a villain. Though we see that from the other perspective, when Tasha Lem explains it to the Doctor, kinda thing like with River and the Doctor meeting each other in the opposite ways. First the Kovarian chapter split, then Tasha explains that while we've already seen them being bad long ago.
They should have had Missy be The Rani as intended. She was my first Who Villain and merely making male Time Lords female isn’t representation...
Also can we bring back Lady Cassandra before she became the skin sheet...
that was lazy writing they had every chance to bring back The Rani or bring in a new villain that what Missy felt like alot of the time some one new
I am ashamed to admit that I’ve only seen one episode of doctor who. Which is when Cassandra was switching between the doctor and the woman he was with. I’ve been missing out on a epic series
Turlough, the companion who began as a spy intent on killing the Doctor, definitely belongs on this list!
I'm surprised you left out Dalek Khan (sp?) from Stolen Earth/Journey's End, when we learn that HE set the whole thing up. He said he'd examined what the Daleks are and found them wanting, apparently. Remember, Davros was livid when the Dalek truly expressed what he'd done.
The master list his mind again when he finds out about the immortal child, hence why he kill all the time lords
Rusty, the Dalek from "Into the Dalek", who turned against the Daleks after realising the futility of their existence.
Well Clara did threaten the Doctor with his Tardis keys
Never thought of the empty child as a bad guy although I guess I only think that as I know how it ends. Does that still make him a villain though?
he’s the designated “villain” of that story. Obviously it isn’t always so black and white in terms of who is good and who is bad but the Empty Child can definitely be called a villain
I remember the scene where the doctor started to say are you my mummy while wearing a gas mask
Amy furtively touches Melody's sleeve while she is preoccupied with the Doctor. I hadn't seen that before.
the iconic background music tho
zygons shouldnt count, reason being they didnt know there warlord had died
if they had know the doctor was the cause of this there could be a different situation