i miss the interconnected plot lines, the insane soundtracks, the deep characters and the insane season finales. The idea of a female doctor is awesome for sure, but we NEED something more than this.
We got even more. We now have the worst Doctor Who twist imaginable. The Timeless Child. It's also canon now according to plenty of peeps directing the show. Someone hang them. Doctor Who is being handled by idiots right now.
I remember I was all sad because Eccleston left and I was in that denial phase while watching Christmas Invasion (first Tennant episode), until 10 throws the satsuma and the Sycorax fell to his death and said: "No second chances. I'm that sort of a man." I was like, okay, holy shit, this man is THE Doctor!! I never had a moment like that with her
Now she just throws out misandrist lines that shit all over the series history, like "I've had an upgrade" and so on, lectures fathers because the story always makes them bad fathers, or rants about how things always work out for white people. Doctor Who has become so hateful, sexist and bigoted, it makes me sick to watch now.
I was most dissapointed that 13 seems to have selectively forgotten huge parts of her history, 9-12 have all been driven by and haunted by decisions they have made over the centuries, most significantly of course ending the time war, this caused moments when the facade of confidence or righousness fell away completely, even if only for brief moments. 13 is far too naive and self assured for a being thousands of years old.
Currently 13 hasn't gotten that many episodes to explore her doctor's deeper character but theres definitely going to be more brooding in her following seasons. Coming from someone who genuinely likes Whittaker as the doctor and doesn't just want to see the show fail.
I think 13 is this way because she has just been reborn and is trying to figure out herself by acting different ways, she is currently experimenting with the naive and self assured type and is trying to move past her regrets to more focus on currently saving the world and figuring out herself. I'm not defending the way she acted, cuz I hated the way the writers portrayed her, but I'm just trying to point things out.
@Cian McCabe except the 10th didn't believe that was Satan either. A powerful creature but not Satan. Remember there are many devil figures in the doctor who universe. The doctor has always not believed in them. Also that didn't kill the Beast as a comic comes into play where the Beast returns.
I feel like when 13 confronted the daleks she would be more angry than how she did react, she lost loads of people to then and even if 12 closed the chapter I think seeing one would still jarr her
The best stories were in the series when Martha was companion, best fun was with Donna, the most badass moments were with Matt Smith, the best lessons were from Peter Capaldi
pastor brian actually your wrong the doctor is a genderless alien who happened to always look male cause no show runner before the current one was willing to cast a female in the role even though the show's creator Sydney Newman had publicly stated in the 80's his wishes to see a female doctor
@@kevin10001 Sydney newman also hated the Daleks, hated the shows theme and hated monsters in the show, all the things that made the show WORK!!!!!.... And ur willing then to go off his "good" idea's? But ur wrong anyway....the dr was gendered. He is a time LORD. NOT a time lady. He started as a grand father, NOT A Grand mother. At his trial his people ONLY offered him male faces. WHY if he is genderless? wHEN his 3rd life was over one of his own race said he will become a new man, NOT a new person!!!!!! ALL other time lords stayed one gender too, the Rani (which means queen so she was gendered too), Romana (all her regenerations were female), the master (and before u site Missy, we never saw him change to a woman and we know he can take over bodies!) and Burusa....all stayed 1 gender. So you were wrong!!!!!! sorry......
this series just felt like it was made to: -look like other doctors -be a basic netflix show -find a new public it didn't feel like doctor who. It felt like a bad 2019 Sci-Fi serie.
Blendermen10 much like Star Trek discovery it barely resembles anything from the series people love and turned it into some action heavy bad society show when it was supposed to be about adventure scientific discovery and representing the ideal future of humanity showing how we could be better Both these new series just don’t understand what makes these classic sci-fi shows work so well and why they’re so beloved and have lasted for decades
Before I even get into this vid, to me, the biggest failure of this Doctor & her 1st season was that she never had her "I am the Doctor" moment. Anyone jumping on the show from this season would have no clue what all the fuss was about.
@@Jackgames-vg7cw I think Peter's morality thing was kindness, carried from "I know where I got this face" to his final monologue. As much as I despise series eleven, I really hope that they do give Jodie some sort of "I am the doctor" moment in the end. I dislike both Whittaker and Chibnall, but I hope that by some accident they manage to forget their far, far leftist bollocks for a second or to to keep the show alive somewhat.
The loss of Murray Gold was also a big factor in losing the magic that the initial revival had. The music is very generic and there are barely any notable things to say about it. Just like the actual series.
Peacherboy1 - I completely agree! I don't know if this is just me being sad but sometimes I listen to some random music from Dr Who and i can always picture whats happening and feel the emotion of the scene. I could not hum one line of the music this series, I barley noticed it.
Peacherboy1 That’s another reason why the Russel TV Davies era will always be my favourite. Thank god I didn’t grow up with Moffat or Chibnall running the show.
@@z-rex6068 I believe Gold was still the major composer in the Moffat era, and he did a damn good job during that time. It honestly took me a while to appreciate Moffat as a show runner, but I look over both of their eras fondly.
How come nobody is shocked that there's no costume when they travel in the past in their 21st century clothes? It's not about fashion it's about blending in within a medieval witch hunt for example
They wouldve all been 'tried' for witchcraft , or been Killed outright. No one would wear those clothes in Medieval century england , they wouldnt even speak the same english
In all fairness that trend kinda died around about Series 3. Which is a shame because I liked the idea of dressing for the period but it probably hit the budget too hard.
Well didnt the majority of Doctor Who episodes have them not changing their clothes? Unless youre introduced to the doctor in the middle of an adventure he/she would walk around around with his bow or tie
yep i feel like this season missed something. with capaldi the doctor had a deep psychology and the thematic of "yep, i'm old that's who i am, not your happy boyfriend goung on a date with you" and it was about the doctor being accepted
After watching this, I understand better now why I didn't like the season. Yeah the writers did not do a good job here. Inconsistent flat characters and mediocore stories.
bruce wayne I would very much disagree, Jodie Whittaker is an excellent actress and her being a woman shouldn’t make a difference, I bet you, if she was written by Russel or even Moffat, she would be hailed as one of the greatest doctors of all time
It feels like watching a random DnD party run around the universe, forgetting all about their character bonds and backstories and just grinding out quests.
How to improve for series 12 (IMO) 1. Reduce the tardis team 2. Have great new & old monsters 2.5. Have the Daleks in their proper casing (chibnall has at least proved he can write the Daleks as calculating & deadly villains again) 3. Have the plot & character drama link together 4. Challenge the doctor with high stakes stories 5. Stop using the word "fam" 6. Unless it's woven into the story, stop referring to politics in episode (looking at you trump knock off & unit brexit joke) 7. Don't over explain everything & show, don't tell. 8. Make episodes scary 9. Have a direction for where the series is going 10. Don't kill Graham!
B H There is another Doctor Who TH-camr called Samyuldavis who released a video the other day where he had the idea that there should be a cataclysmic event that results in there being two doctors for an entire series. He had some whacky out there ideas but they were really interesting, I’d kind of like to see them happen.
- One of the companions should turn against the Doctor or die - We need some EPIC speeches - Two-parters - Make the Doctor angry, sad, desperate, push her to her limits - STORY ARC!!! - The Doctor should command authority - MUSIC!!! HEROIC MUSIC!!! I think Chibnall does not understand the fundamental duality of the Doctor: The Doctor is a mighty god as well as a puny little mortal like everyone else. Boasting and humble, strong and week, old and young, who saves the universe but makes grave mistakes, with vast knowledge, but still knows nothing... Just an idiot with a box, who is kind and tries to save people, because this is the right thing to do. The Doctor is the hero, who doesn't understand how s/he ended up as one. Surprised and amazed how s/he defeated every enemy s/he encountered. Who didn’t wish to become the Doctor, but who is fully aware of what it means. Like in his speech to akhaten: "I saw the birth of the universe and I watched as time ran out, moment by moment, until nothing remained. No time. No space. Just me." The Doctor should be confident, she should know what she is capable of, what she can do and what she has done in the past. And she should be scared because of that. Scared of herself, scared of what she might become, scared because of all the dangers of the universe. Scared, that she is not enough to stop the evil, that she will not live up to the expectations. Scared of being alone. Being the Doctor is immense power, a huge responsibility and a crippling burden, too. Now, that is what I lack from the 13th Doctor. Sorry for the grammar, I am not a native speaker.
Bradley Walsh should be the companion cause there is hardly any male or elderly companions and Ryan would be decent as well though he doesn't have as much charisma, but he would still be decent though Yaz is just a bland boring unecessary nothingness and contributes nothing or almost nothing to the show and i don't think she would work out as a single companion, she doesn't even work with any of the other companions so she wouldn't work alone either
@@postman6553 I tried googling it to see if there was some weird story behind it couldn't find nothing then I instantly got a bit of hate for the show how lazy and stupid that was no doubt they will put some story towards it because of such a big and obvious fuck up
It couldve been good if she started the episode loving conspiracies and the later down the series starting to hate them, you know a little character development
The scene with Matt Smith where he says "Hello, I'm the Doctor. Basically, run." I still get chills when I think of that scene. Jodie Whitaker never had that grandiose moment that really established her as the next Doctor. Plus, the amazing soundtrack that went with Matt Smith's era helped a lot too.
On the point of budget: Doctor Who has proved before that they can make amazing episodes on tiny budgets; just look at "Midnight"! One of the best episodes ever and it's only really one small location. Just a lack of imagination this series.
Midnight was terrifying. It was smart and made everyone uneasy because of the feeling of being confined in a small place and no escape and the threat being INSIDE so no way out possible. The only one able to help everyone (The Doctor) gets infected and unable to help. It was really clever.
It's exactly as I've been saying since even before season 11 came out. "My problem is not with Jodie Whittaker or a female doctor, it's with Chris Chibnall." And now that season 11 came and went I still feel exactly the same.
Series 12 seems to be an upswing for Chibnall as a showrunner, so far. I have been enjoying it, it's much less ham-fisted with its rhetoric, much more in line with what a Doctor Who story arc should be. And then there's the events of Fugitive of the Judoon...
Here is an immediate fix for the spider plotline. Keep the toxic waste bit but have them be controlled by arakeen a spider woman trying to take over the world. Have there be some comments indicating that she and the doctor have met before and she was sealed in a cavern on earth for trying to take over till some new construction busted her out. A dd a comment on how arakeen sounds like arachne and a line about how "you humans tend to remember stuff even if improperly and add gods for some reason." There is a fix and while using concepts that have been used before it opens floodgates to potential stories incorporating mythology, adds in a future overarching storyline or reaccuring villain and time travel shenanigans by in a future season have the doctor defeat her the first time. all while keeping the eco message cibnall was trying for. Anything would be more interesting than giant spiders attacking because reasons.
When you actually watch the videos in youtube when you only see jody, she's good. But the scenario and the companions are so bad you can't even understand she's good.
The problem is that two seasons in, and Jodie Whittaker still hasn't "found her feet" as the Doctor. Or rather, the writers haven't figured out how to write good stories (without the SJW agenda that's infecting damn near EVERYTHING of late)!
I can think of 13's proclamation to Tim Shaw in Woman Who Fell to Earth, The Doctor's offer to the Frog Universe in It Takes You Away and the first Dalek Confrontation in Resolution, the best Dalek story since Journey's End and a more proper finale to Series 11 than Battle of Avocados, as "I am the Doctor" moments. Then again, I grow on new Doctors, from Tenant to Matt Smth to Capaldi to Whittaker faster than most people it seems.
@@kittycatswhiskers I just find it funny that during the RTD years people complained about the writing, and then during the Moffat years people complained about the writing and wanted RTD back (though Moffat was one of the writers for RTD), and now during the Chibnall years everyone is complaining about the writing and wishing for previous writers back... I'm sensing a pattern here.
The thing that got me was when the Doctor regenerates, he is confused and scatty for the first episode. JW was like this all the way through the series
But there was no consistency.She showed no particular surprise at being born in a female body after 900-odd years as a male. There were any number of entertaining opportunities in that situation but they were totally overlooked.
Exactly. Unfortunately I purchased the series so I could see it (didn’t want to wait for the free release) just crossing my fingers and hoping that they would do something awesome with it. What you said Mark was my main problem with the series-the excessively prolonged confusion was just annoying. As someone else wrote here she never really had a true “I am the doctor” moment. I kept asking myself why are these people following her again? All the stories seem like they had real potential but fell incredibly short of it. Toothface, imo, was nearly as eww as the sleep crust monsters, with the whole frozen vase never really quite making sense with how it matters/meshed in the grand scheme w/the crazy electronic play-with-me forest air graphics & the ball of yarn electricity fiend all supposedly paving his way. Do we find out if Toothface came out of the vase? Did the electric ball come out of the vase? What was the whole freezing to touch thing & why...the whole story was poorly explained, which could pretty much be said for most of the stories in the season. Even when I was interested they seem to go off on tangents that lost me. Just really poor writing & too much distancing her from doctors past. I have no problem with a Time Lord regenerating into whatever gender. They stepped away from the Time Lord lore where females could only regenerate into females a long long time ago & as a fan I didn’t have any issue with that I just saw it as a possible evolution as all things evolve. Missy made the twists interesting. Matter of fact I probably would’ve had less of a time enjoying this if Missy had been the new Doctor as wacky as that sounds. Fact is, all of the stories were disconnected, whereas in the past the tales had clever threads that brought things together, like the writer had thought the entire series through (for all of the years they were ever going to write) instead of just cranking out episodes. When you build on previous stories and connect things it just makes things flow and you can think back in your head “Oh that’s where that came from!I see where you’re headed” in an episode it just makes the whole thing more interesting. And do not get me started with her ship design...hope she isn’t going be forced to suffer that bleh interior Tardis decor for the whole of 2020.
@@ThePassion81 I agree, except for not totally disliking the TARDIS decor..But I don't like the six bendy-down pillars. The fact that they move that way seems to rob the TARDIS of dignity and make it toy-like. I much preferred them as coral-like arches. However I do really like the big hexagonal panels with their overlapping/intermeshed spoke shapes, some seemingly suspended disconnected. That adds an apt mystery: the TARDIS is no simple flat-walled square room! About the big 'time crystal' ccentral console core.. I'm not convinced. I find it a bit hokey. How many mystic crystals have we seen? Too old/samey! The console seems pleasing enough, having a continuity-with-variation with all that have gone before since Eccleston's. With its eccentric mic of chunky, clunky steampunk/dieselpunk levers, and a footpedal or so, it seems functional while eclectic. But what's with the egg-timer? If only that was a bit more elaborate and Time-Lord-teched-up, I'd like it better. Overall? I find the new interior too dark. It doesn't seem to light up. Other recent interiors could be dark but with distant lights, and could light up revealing the different levels and spaces. This one is too anonymous, and characterless, for my taste. No other rooms in the (vast, rambling) TARDIS architecture have been shown. Surely the three companions need somewhere to rest and eat, and would want to explore, given such an opportunity? I'm not looking for a glut of gratuitous indulgence, but a little hint that there is so much more, and glimpses now and then, would be nice. Maybe season 12 will show us more of the TARDIS interior, or a further re-design?
Having three companions seems like a massive mistake I missed the first episode and this is the first time I’m hearing about yaz being a police officer that’s how underdeveloped these characters are 😂
The Doctor has had three from time to time ever since the beginning of the series. I dont think its the number of companions thats the problem. Its just the characters themselves
@@joejohnson3891 True, like for example, Twelve travelled with Bill, Nardole, and Missy, but the difference is that this was executed well. We had a few episodes with only Bill as the companion, but it was clearly established that Nardole was also there, and then there was the vault and stuff (and Missy was already established in series 8). Then we had Nardole travelling along too and we could get to know his character more, while we got stuff about Missy as well. Even though Missy and Nardole had comparatively less screentime, we were still able to grasp their characters and know who they were. If series 11 had done something like this- maybe had one of the companions travel for a while, while also establishing and making the existence of the other two known, and then brought them in... I feel like we would've gotten top know the characters better that way
I think a 4 person TARDIS team can work wonders, its just you have to introduce them gradually. thats why the Pond family & 9-Rose-Jack-Mickey (although it was only for one episode) worked so well. Build it up, and give them their own space to develop as characters.
It was a silly idea because they had 4 new characters to try to get people invested in. A new Doctor, and the three companions. They introduced way too many new people at once, meaning by the end of the series we didn’t know much about any of them.
I really love this video. It's so nice to see something critical of series 11 that doesn't feel disrespectful. Actual constructive criticism tends to get drowned out with a lot of unsavory comments. Here's to hoping series 12 is able to establish an identity of its own, and Whittaker will finally have better writing to work with.
Maybe if the inconsistency was intentional that could've made this Doctor distinct. Like, she's constantly changing her mind about things, and is extremely unpredictable. That could make her funny to be around, but also a real threat when she needs to be.
@@MrCaseySasaki but that isn't actually a character trait it's a plot device, that means she could be anything and why would she need deceive her friends in the context of the episode.
@@thebanana3099 "but that isn't actually a character trait it's a plot device, that means she could be anything" Exactly! It adds ambiguity. We wouldn't know if it's an act or if she's genuinely crazy... Her companions could be our surrogates, questioning her true values and motives amongst themselves and having to decide if they even want to be around her, just like we (the audience) would be. "and why would she need to deceive her friends in the context of the episode." "Need" to? Not what I'm saying. I meant "intentional" as in the WRITING of her character. If she was intentionally written to have chronic inconsistency, every interaction would be suspenseful... Because if someone as intelligent and capable as the Doctor kept randomly changing her mind about things (even her most important values) my eyes would be glued to her each time she's on screen! If a lack of distinction is the problem, then that's just one way to fix it.
@@MrCaseySasaki But that isn't good character writing the doctor's personality needs to be established first so the viewer understands how she would act in certain situations. We need to know this doctor's values where and where she draws the line, the 11th and 12th doctor can be seen as polar opposites by how they behave in each ones first season. If she acts differently in each of her adventures then how can she develope as a character and have a suitable arc.
@@thebanana3099 Did you read my whole reply? Why did you dismiss the rest of what I said? Good character writing isn't just in an idea. It's also in the execution of it. In my last comment I clarified, making chronic inconsistency an intentional part of the WRITING of her character. But the success lies in the execution. Maybe sometimes she's kind and heroic, but randomly switches to cruel and cowardly. Making her so erratic could've been the START of an intriguing arc, while providing unlimited potential for unique and unpredictable interactions. Meanwhile her companions are our surrogates, debating her true values and motives while surviving their adventures. There could even be a reveal or new lore that comes out of it. The point is that no one has a good grasp of who this new Doctor is at first, and why she's so randomly inconsistent. The Doctor, just like her companions and the audience, will have to work it out along the way. I find it strange you didn't consider any of that. You just instantly wrote it off as not "good" because she'd be too 'unpredictable.' But being unpredictable isn't bad character writing so long as it's effectively integrated into the storytelling itself. Again, it's all in the execution. A truly unpredictable Doctor could have BOTH villains and companions shitting in their pants. The potential of which I find intriguing.
the main thing for me was just the characters where sooooOOOooooooOOOOoo 2d? Bradley Walsh was the only one who felt real to me. mixture of writing and mainly performing.
Yeah well this guy on the vid kinda bigs up Wattacur but tbh* I found her to have very little charisma too, like you said Bradly W was about the only one who did throughout.
Bradders was good but his character is still horrendously under developed. To be honest it’s impossible to develop characters properly when they insist on cramming in four members of the TARDIS team in every episode.
yeah I hate to say it but it srsly feels like he was the only one hired for his acting skills and not for the color or his skin or gender... everyone else is a cardboard token cutout
Honestly, Bradley Walsh should have been the new Doctor instead of Whittaker. Her performance and the writing are the main reasons this Doctor is such a failure. Walsh is the only decent one in this current series.
I haven't watched all the episodes yet, but I think the loss of Murray Gold and his awesome music plays a very big role in the decaying of the series. Let's face it: there have always been badly written episodes, inconsistent characters and poorly justified storylines, but the magical atmosphere conveyed mostly through the soundtrack usually brought the spectator not to focus on those flaws and to get transported by the flow of the show. Now I feel the music doesn't help anymore and thus all the flaws are easier to see and harder to forgive, and the emotional link between us and the characters results damaged. Only this is difficult t notice because it mostly affects our subconscious, so at the end of each episode we have the lingering sensation that it was bad but we automatically blame the writing, completely oblivious of the role the soundtrack played in our entertainment.
Blackbird94 - I completely agree! I don't know if this is just me being sad but sometimes I listen to some random music from Dr Who and i can always picture whats happening and feel the emotion of the scene. I could not hum one line of the music this series, I barley noticed it.
Riversong is beloved by many, a very strong female character, and a well done series about her would have been insanely popular. If you can’t figure out why Ghostbusters, Star Trek discovery and recent Dr who who aren’t, we can’t help you.
Michel De Bruyn I wouldn't generalise people's opinions like that, because I for one hated River but love Thirteen. Jodie's Doctor has plenty of room for improvement (mainly in that she's way too placid when dealing with baddies) but she's nowhere near as much of an absolute trainwreck as people are pretending; the same goes for S11 as a whole. The big problem I had with River was that she was supposed to serve as a foil/romantic interest for Eleven, but the actors themselves had no chemistry; as a result, she came off to me as more of a nuisance than anything else whenever she was on the screen. However, I DID think she bounced off of Twelve very well in their one episode together, and I've heard that her popularity has been bolstered hugely by her Big Finish series.
@@Carabas72 The fuck you talking about? I could easily watch 5 seasons of a River Song series or a continuation of "Me" and Clara exploring the universe. Something with the Doctors Daughter Jenny could be pretty interesting. And I would be totally down for some romantic lesbian romp through the stars with Bill and that sentient puddle thing. That could be hella cool. That being said, Jody is fucking awful. The humor seems dull/annoying and the serious bits seem laughable. The plotlines are shit and the companions suck dick. And again, Jody Whittaker as an actress just seems painfully fucking dull. Hell, I don't even like her work in non-scifi stuff. She's like, average at best and frankly, that's not good enough to play the Doctor.
The issue comes from writers who think feminism is just making a female character some kind of #BossBabe and leaving anything that makes them emotionally identifiable and relatable by the wayside. That's why the women of Davies' era were so good. They weren't *~strong female characters*~, they were women who were written as people, thus giving them strong characterisation. He wasn't trying to be #feminist. He was trying to write about (and saw women as) people rather than an empty virtue-signalling marketing scheme..
Nezolika// Nessie that’s kinda how fandoms be. Fans are always the most illogically critical and most illogically loyal at the same time. Always count on fans to hate something understandably bad in a poorly worded or unsatisfactory way (including being sexist instead of rationalizing reasonable criticism), or be loyal for the sake of loyalty and to defend what they like with any excuses necessary (including cries of sexism at legitimate criticism). Welcome to humanity. We hate things we love and love to hate each.
behold the season we don't talk about! How cheap and sad is it that they went through such great lengths to get Gallifrey back in the 50th special just to forget about it? How sad is to bring back John's Master just to ditch it? I never thought i'd say this but........ Bring back.... moffat?
I mean, aren't those both series 10 problems and not series 11 ones? Gallifrey was brought back properly in serious 9 yet wasn't utilised in series 10 at all and John Simms master was brought back in series 10 for 2 episodes at the end of which he was stabbed and began regenerating
I think Chibnal forgot the most important and crucial thing after taking over the show: FANS! he forgot that DW fans are invested and woul scrutinize every scene and sentence, we were used to such character/event reveals in moff era. I really do blame chibnal for a very, VERU bad writing on this one. he udes to do quite remarkable episodes on this show. What happened dude?
murgul morgul I personally think the problem lies in Chipnal only having done “filler episodes” in the past. He has done one offs that aren’t crucial to the overarching plot and he’s still running the show like that. He approached the full season as a collection of stories instead of a coherent story with a overarching storyline. To much focus on different monsters and settings every episode and to little on the actual characters that are the only stable thing. I think he got overwhelmed with the actual scope of stories he was supposed to stich together and now we got this mess.
What I think is really interesting is that despite me often disliking the episodes you liked, my criticisms of series 11 was exactly the same which highlights just how much these problems were systemic in the whole series.
Having a female doctor without both River Song and Jack Harkness back in the same episode with hilarious sexual tension is just a failure. Not that this new Dr Who would ever have fun like that
They can't bring River back because she finished her carachter's arc. But Jack... If there is someone I want back, it's Jack. We also need a new strong carachter. Someone important, interesting and fun that brings that weird doctor who sexual tension. Rtd had Jack, Moffat had River (and maybe Missy), now we need a new one. Come on, chibs. Give us something familiar but fresh.
@@elennacruz9697 psh, they can bring back anyone, no way have we heard every escapade of Rivers. Just like they incorporated Clara into ALL the doctors. Their arcs were "complete" too.
@@karmicpopcorn6440 Yeah but it didn't make much of a diffrence in their stories, did it? Also, s7 Clara was an unplanned mess. You can literally ignore s7 and watch her in s8. Nothing of the Impossible girl arc is mentioned ever again. River, on the other hand, was full of planning and continuity and made an amazing impact in the story. She ended beautifully, how it was planned since s4. One last night in the towers of darillium. And that's it. Her story with the doctor is over and I feel that bringing her back would be wrong and ruin that arc. BUT... I would totaly watch a spin off about what she does when the doctor isn't around, and she could meet captain Jack and it would be hilarious. Also she could maybe meet Clara and convince her to stay dead. Or maybe not, no one likes Clara anyway. Whatever.
Another thing that was set up but never went anywhere ... Ryan's dyspraxia. In episode 1 he has trouble doing basic coordination. In episode 2, he's running across uneven ground leaping hither and thither, shooting killer robots ... erm ... what? It's almost as his dyspraxia was shoved in there to score progressive brownie points.
Beggar42 personally I thought you could still see he was dyspraxic through the season. He tripped over when running away from the robots and I don’t remember specific other events, but I didn’t feel that his dyspraxia when away, but that’s just my opinion.
honestly it was too played up at the start. If he was just overly clumsy at the start and we learned the reason latter it would have felt more rewarding than having it maxed out to 100% in episode one then toned down for the rest of the series.
I'm dyspraxic myself, and I found it so patronising. It became a joke in my house to shout 'dyspraxia!' whenever he did anything odd or goofy. When you've got something that at times is just some minor coordination issues or awkwardness, but is presented to you like you're supposedly a tiny child in an adults body, it's really grating. Then the writers seem to want praise for this in articles and reports, when they might as well just be using the lazy autism stereotypes from every bad movie and TV show for how much effort they put in
-It’s not “because of the Doctor is a woman” -It’s not “because of Yaz is a woman and has Pakistani descent” -It’s not “because of Ryan has African descent” -It’s not “because of Graham is older” -It’s not “because of Ruth is a woman and has African descent” NO. It’s never “because of sex, gender and race”. Chibnall’s era is suck because of HIS WRITING. Before Chibnall became the showrunner, his episodes was never good. Whovians are smarter than being sexists or racists. We defend the 50+ years of great team work and great plotlines. It wasn’t perfect, but still respect the main plot. That’s why series 11 & 12 are suck, they don’t have anything to be compared with the First Doctor until the Twelfth Doctor.
I think the other crucial problem with Whittaker's Doctor is that she had no character development at all throughout Series 11. Capaldi's Doctor went through changes in each of his seasons as he encountered old enemies and lost companions, having real development throughout. However, Whittaker hasn't changed at all from the beginning of the series (The Woman Who Fell To Earth) to the end (Resolution), still essentially acting exactly the same each week with no development whatsoever.
Not every character needs character development but Thirteen could have benefitted from it. The series finale could have had Thirteen realisation that her actions lead to Tim Shaw surviving and could have challenged her in to rethinking her morals. The thought hardly crossed her mind.
That's because not a single character besides Graham made an actual growth. And Graham's growth only happened near the end. I'm of the belief the "middle" episodes were written as stand-alone episodes in a random order. There's zero character growth in them. None. And Firman brings up a good point as well; there's no conflict. Conflict is the best way to learn about characters and to see them grow, we had none of that.
1. They had a year to give 13th her own personality and development 2. Chibs told Jodie not to watch her predecessors hence some aspects that make The Doctor are missing i.e charisma, gravitas and a sense of vanity which is part of the character. Also she doesn't strike me as a 2000 year old alien. I don't sense the age. She's one dimensional. 3. Jodie is good in other roles but I don't think she's comfortable with the part.
@E C I agree. Chibnall has talked about bringing on making the show new and fresh, including this Doctor. The childlike-enthusiasm, manic energy and bubliness were already done so well by Ten and Eleven. There is little she adds as her own incarnation of the Doctor in terms of distinctive traits that define her Doctor. Her interactions with her companions are not that memorable or engaging. It’s just mainly consists of calling them ‘fam’, answering their questions, encouraging them at times and gaining reassurance from them. That is really is. There is little spark in their relationship. I’m not convinced of their conviction in travelling with the Doctor. Only Graham’s is the most believable. Yaz wanted to escape from her family but unlike Martha, who in her first episode we saw the constant bickering and dynamics of her family, we don’t see much of Yaz’s family driving her mad. It is told through the script, but not shown on screen. Thirteen indeed has had little to challenge her. She has not been put in a desperate situation where her wit and intellect is challenged. She has not been challenged by her companions very much and perhaps because of that, I don’t really see significant growth in their bonds. They are all fairly compliant with her. Meanwhile Rose disagreed with Nine in many ways (the Earth dying and human mortality in ‘End of the World’, disagreeing with recycling bodies for the Gwelf in ‘The Unquiet Dead’, calling his ruthlessness out in ‘Dalek’, major argument in ‘Father’s Day and the Doctor sending her home in ‘The Parting of the Ways’. Amy’s faith in her childhood hero is tested a lot and in her second episode she makes a decision for him without his knowledge that almost kicks her out of travelling with him. Martha and Ten’s relationship had a bit of tension, due to the former feeling like she is being played second fiddle to Rose. Donna called out Ten’s actions all the time. Eleven was suspicious of Clara, Canada confronting him about being a ‘ghost’ and wanting to treated like her own individual. Twelve and Clara- lots of tension there. Bill was discomforted with Twelve’s detachment to death and the possibly he may have killed. All these companions had dynamic relationships that had grown through challenging one another. With 4 different perspectives in TEAMTardis, I would have expected more butting heads due to 4 vastly different perspectives.There are also not enough moments in challenging her morality- which the audience pick up way more than the companions.
"Heres hoping that Jodie Whittaker will get a series that is worthy of her Doctor" You know... that was a really nice way to end this video. A hopeful statement that the series will dive deeper. Because it has everything it needs to be great, it just needs to push its boundries.
@@Fridaey13txhOktober oh they're low now that's for sure - a crappy actor doing the doc and putrid plot lines and dialogue - jodie and chibs need to bugger off and either let it die or bring someone in who can resuscitate this, because at this moment it's barely breathing
She doesn't feel like past doctors, bud. She feels like someone doing impressions. And I think her character was set up to have conflicted feelings about revenge/retribution/killing, but the writers didn't know how to incorporate that so they just shrugged their shoulders and shat on the page. Edit: to back up my point on her character struggle and the series theme- she gets Mad over Shaw getting pushed, she doesn't want to see Kerblam boy get killed despite his misdeeds, time traveling racist doesn't get killed but sent back in time, spiders not killed just imprisoned, etc. She should have grappled with these "deaths" in the last 2 episodes. She's a killer who doesn't kill. She doesn't kill, but let's them die or let's them be tortured. Is she any better for this? They never really capitalize on the theme.
bruce wayne ye completely agree not trying to be harsh but she seemed like she had autism. I remember her saying “oh am I being weird again sorry lol” it was the writers and her. I just don’t think a woman works as the doctor not sexist just my opinion.
They've killed it. It was on the way out with Capaldi, this finished it. No lonely god, no repressed rage, no iconic Easter eggs. No one even said "It's bigger on the inside". (For fuxake)
I love the repressed rage and the Easter eggs and of course the doctor concerning themselves as a lonely god pretty much and I also only like it when there’s one companion I hate the multiple companions
I personally liked the disappointment on her face when she realized her companions didn't say it. Also, throughout the season I was hoping that her companions were going to die since they were really low quality characters and didn't really add up to the story in a special way like Clara did.
I thought Capaldi was actually great in the end. When the season first started with him, i didn't like him at all at first, but some great writing, and the emotions he provided really moved me during some episodes and in the end, i loved him as the Doctor. With Jodie though and the writing from the staff. It seemed that the show was trying to shove every day issues down our throats. For many, they tune into TV to forget about the day and the worries of the world, and to get lost in a fantasy world. I watched the first few episodes. Jodie never seemed to get either portray the role as her own, or was not written in a clear way and instead kept borrowing from the personalities of other Doctors.
Each Dr needs their own thing. Desperate character - Tennant definitely was the high point. She seemed she was Just copying other Drs especially Matt Smith. I think they focused too much on her being a woman, rather than being an individual DR. They should have just stuck to it, it's not like the show is good of women and Rose, Martha, Donna, even Clara are strong women, not just 'companions. I think they stuffed it, I couldn't even watch all the season and I LOVE the Dr. Sad.
Eww if she copied Matt Smith, I'm definitely not watching it. Matt Smith was the worst doctor, he only got the job after banging the actress that played rose.
@@67Shadowreaper why would a side actor have the power to get him the position of the main character and that doesn't explain why they kept him on for like 4 or 5 seasons
@@kodaxmax because back then she was extremely popular and well liked, because she was the first assistant - therefore had a lot of power. She was so valuable, they made her appear multiple times throughout the series, long after her supposed end and got the doctor to have a relationship with her too. That's why.
I really love seeing the doctor shift and change emotionally and personally. Like with the 9th doctor, in the beginning he was kind of just a silly person who wasn't really attached to any human in particular, not even Rose, but did of course still want to save them when possible. But later on in the season he almost kills Rose with the Dalek and you see his attatchment to her drastically shift from someone who just sees her as a fun companion to travel with to someone who feels more for her. And when we see him with the Dalek in the cage we see his rage and hatred emerge. Even 10 turns from a fun loving and silly character to a man with a hard edge and almost a depressed man. The doctor losing one of the most important people to him really changed him almost immediately. It resonated with me and people like me who have lost people and have changed because of that. For the first time in the reboot we see the doctor loose one of his companions, but it wasn't just that, Rose was someone he fell in love with. The 11th doctor was someone I had to learn to love actually. Seeing him go from such a deep and impactful character to a doctor who dipped fish sticks in custard and was just completely silly all around was so hard for me. But over time you see him become more than that. He becomes more serious and when he loses Amy Pond he is beyond disappointed and alone. It was almost as if he didn't care about anybody else just in case he would grow attached again and then have to see them die or leave yet again. The doctor was tired and alone. But then he became silly again, but this time with a new edge to him that really helped define his character after he began traveling with Clara again. And finally the 12th doctor. He has changed the most I would say. He was the most hard doctor, the doctor who was impacted by his actions more than the others, the doctor that remembered what he did in the time war most of all. He did his best to be kind and still was always haunted by his memories. But he realised that love will always win over fear and that trying to be a good person is what really matters. I can't even break down all of the 12th doctor's personality because there is just so much. But that's what made seeing the doctor change from one person to another so fascinating; you get to see a new person each time and how the story impacts their views on the world. The 13th doctor is really just one kind of person, one kind of personality. The thing about being a very old and very complex person like the doctor is you would have more than just one way of viewing the world. I don't mind the doctor being silly at all, in fact I enjoy it, but when that's all they are then I feel like I'm watching a kids show or something. The doctor has been alive thousands of years, long enough to abandon the silliness every once in awhile. Even when she seems to try and be serious or have a hard edge to her, it comes off as unsuccessful. Who knows, maybe she'll change into a more complex character as the series goes on. But so far, frankly I'm just kinda bored.
For me I never knew why I enjoyed the Doctor so much until I realized what was missing from Jodie; Every Doctor has the absolute ability to steal a scene, even if it’s not focused on them. The Doctor is always the most interesting character in any scene, and it’s always so fun to see. Jodie’s acting and/or characterization fell flat for me. In every seen, minus her conversation with King James in witchfinders, I was hardly paying attention to her performance. Every other character, no matter how minor or badly written was more interesting to watch than the Doctor, and that’s a bad thing. The Doctor should steal every, or most scenes they are in with great acting and good characterization, both of which Jodie and her Doctor sincerely lacked. (P.S. spare the spoilers for series 12 please c:)
MagicStealth, that is exactly right. Exactly! As written and performed in these Chibnal stories, the Doctor is. not. interesting. Or witty. Or insightful. Or passionate on any level below about a quarter inch of depth. A lot of this has to do, IMO, with the deliberate jettisoning of every connection to the earlier Doctors. She's a blank slate, and so far nothing arresting has been written there. One lives in hope, however.
When you change up a character, especially in such a way that can be associated to social and political crap, you HAVE to make sure that character is a crowd pleaser. Unfortunately, the writers decided to coast along the idea of a female Doctor instead of making a *good* female Doctor.
George Cowsert You are absolutely right. The problem wasn’t that the Doctor was female, it was that some people didn’t like that the Doctor was female. And that they focused too much on that fact.
Avery Brooks (of "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine") explained the problem of playing a type instead of a character. He's black, and he could play a variety of characters who happen to be black. But how do you play "black"? What constitutes blackness, and what happens when that attribute defines the character, rather than any other attributes that show depth and uniqueness?
The thing is if you gonna have a woman as the Doctor for goodness sake make her a least a badass, or something a person could count on, not a I hate to say it a blonde cliche. Admitted the Doctor has always had a gob, But it had a purpose, this one just babbles and all it is is noise, annoying noise.
This is probably the best analysis I've seen for season 11. Almost every other video on YT either praises it to the extent where it feels forced or has a narrator foaming at the mouth and ripping it to shreds for no particular reason.
love how thorough this is; you covered everything I had a problem with series 11. I have to add though, 13 doesn't really actively push the plot forward - things just happen to her and her companions and she responds to these threats so the episodes dont feel really engaging at all
I didnt really leave with a feeling that I don't know who the Doctor is now. I left with the feeling that I dont like who the Doctor is now. Her personality IS as you described, a combination of character traits present in previous doctors. But it also includes qualities I avoid in real life. I avoid rude people who don't know boundaries in real life. And before someone says it, yes I'm aware that previous doctors have also behaved in rude ways, some more than others. But with those doctors I always felt those character traits were meant to make them more interesting and, maybe, appear more alien. The companions were often used to correct that rude behavior, thus presenting an experience where we got to watch the relationship between alien and human as they affect each other and change each other. This doctor apparently already knows how to behave "properly" and very much enjoys teaching other humans how they might be better, if only they would open their minds to her brilliant insights. This is not the reason I watch Doctor Who.
Let’s say you’re on the floor dying no way to save you and there’s a gun and a person standing grabs it and.... Regular Person:They shoot u out of mercy so you don’t die in pain for long moments 13th Doctor: throws gun away and locks door and leaves you there saying this is merciful and good because killing with gun is bad no matter the context according to her.
@@lightningspirit5695 and attaching you to a life support system so you don't just die of starvation .... You'll be stuck on the brink of death alone and unable to die for the rest of your foreseeable lifespan.
Literally any other Doctor, even the relatively meek Peter Davison, would have stood up to the alien without grovelling. Peter Capaldi, John Hurt, Jon Pertwee, Colin Baker, Christopher Ecclestone and Sylvester McCoy would have gotten into a straight up brawl with it if they had to.
@@christophercrafte season 8 episode 9, Flatline. Doctor was trapped in a shrunken TARDIS and had to direct Clara via earpiece, so she kind of took over as the Doctor for that episode, at least in his investigative capacity. He also forced her into his role but straight up leaving in episode 7 of the same season, Kill the Moon. She hated him for that.
@@mycroft16 I remember this now and I totally agree. Just a thought what would you think of donna becoming a doctor after she gained all the doctors mind
Finally, a criticique of season 11 that doesn't involve the words, "Doctor Who is finally over. The idea has failed. There is no coming back from this." as though this season was cancellation worthy rather than just disappointing.
Exactly! I'm fine with people feeling it was disappointing or underwhelming. The door and gloom (or worse, much worse) that some channels are spouting is just so over the top.
Fearmongering and hyperbole for clicks and contemporary social media culture making the outlandish claims blow up faster than calmer and more rational voices.
"It's finally done. DW is now PC propaganda for the SWJ agenda and the KFJTJRI groups" (whatever that's supposed to be). Jokes aside, it's really refreshing to see someone do an actual critique of series 11, seeing it's flaws - but also its perks and goods; rather than a blind destructive rant.
@@dojokonojo it isn't fearmongering, it's clickbaits for all the fans who agree with them and them expressing their opinion in the title, video or thumbnail
The writing was awful and there was never a moment for me of "that's The Doctor" like there was with all the other modern Doctors. Nine was "my Doctor". The one I saw first. He was the Doctor from the get go, he was the first Doctor I saw and I accepted the character straight away (and got into the classic series later). Ten was when he fought the sycorax in his borrowed pyjamas despite my doubts up to that point. Donna was when she was the DoctorDonna and popped up from behind that console spouting technobabble at 1,000 miles per hour while beating the Daleks. Eleven was when he called the Atraxi back and threatened them. Twelve was in his episode when they were in the Dalek and it was grim but yeah. (Capaldi got a lot of crap writing but still managed to pull the role off because it wasn't as awful as this last series' writing.) Thirteen never had one of those moments. Sh never had a character of her own either as you said. Chibnall sucks and I'm out until we get a new showrunner and good writers. If Whittaker is still around maybe she'll be the Doctor then. I was rooting for her I wanted her to be the Doctor but she just wasn't and I think that's definitely the writing's fault because she is a good actress. I don't think any of the others could have been the Doctor either if they'd started with this drivel. can we have RTD back now? Please! It all started going down hill after he left.
As someone who's always wanted to see a female Doctor, I can say that in my personal opinion, this was nothing more than a pandering mess that cared more about #Feminism than any sort of story telling or internal consistency. Just like every other modern show or movie with a Female lead, the writers/directors/whoever thinks they can just leave it at that and not worry about the story, the characters, et cetera, which is why all of them (The new Ghostbusters movie, the new StarWars movies, Captain Marvel, just to name a few) turn out so badly and long term fans hate them. And then makers shout "SEXIST!" at everyone who doesn't like it while ignoring any and all actual criticism and acting like they invented the concept of a woman in a leading role despite the fact that there are dozens of examples of female protagonists in TV, film, videogames, et cetera, WITH ACTUAL COMPETENT STORY TELLING AND CHARACTERS THAT DON'T FEEL LIKE CARDBOARD CUT-OUTS RANGING DECADES INTO THE PAST. That aside, pretty decent review. Solid 8 out of 10. Would watch again. (Your review, not the show.)
"The StarWars movies are mostly showing up weaknesses in the directors as much as anything else." Apparent 'weak direction' is the very _least_ of Disney Star Wars' plethora of divergent problems! And yet again, as with 'Who, Star Trek, Ghostbusters, etc, etc, etc noxious far left politics is proving a persistent and predominant impediment to compelling storytelling, plausible characterisation, mainstream appeal and thus ultimately, commercial viability. Folk demonstrably want good ol' innocuous escapist entertainment, not a vapid lecture.
"As someone who's always wanted to see a female Doctor, I can say that in my personal opinion, this was nothing more than a pandering mess that cared more about #Feminism than any sort of story telling or internal consistency." Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course yet you almost seem _surprised_ that it turned out this way?! One didn't need to be of a particularly cynical disposition though, or else boast Nostradamus-esque powers of perception to portend _exactly_ what would transpire with a female Doctor. Especially in this day and age with it's ever-dubious priorities... Hell, even _Sydney Newman_ foresaw the pitfalls of gender-flipping the Doctor way back in the 80's. :)
I've been re-watching the Christopher Eccleston and David Tennant episodes lately... man the show used to be so good ! I wish we could get this new series a complete overall it's kind of sad to think about how misguided and lifeless it is now
We are doing the same, every episode I turn to my partner and say "this is what Doctor Who used to be". It's shocking how much they totally fracked it up.
This is probably the only video I've seen on series 11's flaws that didn't default to 'oh they pandered too much' or 'she's just not a good Doctor, bad casting choices' but actually looked at it fairly and even ended on a hopeful note that it could improve. Thanks for that.
@@superduck6456 There definitely were scenes that read a bit too on the nose. Doctor Who has always been a progressive show, so I don't mind if they have messages to get across, but it wasn't done very elegantly. Similar to how Bill kinda randomly reminded us that she liked girls, from time to time -- some of it was done well, and some felt unnatural. Hopefully the writing next season is better!
I pray to the all mighty ood hive mind that if the weeping angels come back they won't get a new ability. I mean they are like Pokémon at this point get a new attack but you have to forget one first.
lio marvel personally Weeping Angels are the LAST monster I want to ever come back. I legitimately think there isn’t a single thing you can do with them anymore that’s not a retread or diminishes them as a threat. *Maybe* have them be the external threat in a story that’s ABOUT other things, but that’s it.
@@ThePonderer yep, if Blink was Alien and the Season 5 2-parter was Aliens then I think there isn't much that you can do with them anymore. They're perfect in those (not counting angels take manhattan cause I don't think it's great the way it handles the angels specifically). I'd prefer some other classic monsters, like the krynoids, or a look back at the gothic era of the show.
I want to see what happens if you throw a blanket, or a bucket of paint over the Weeping Angels. Then technically we won't see them move, but we will be able to see their shape move.
I think Chibnall thought that making the doctor female gave her an identity already and so he felt like he didn't need to give her any further distinctive traits (other than her genitalia).
@@YaarrrI agree, I think that's why people have an issue with the show having an 'agenda'. The agenda comes first and story second. It is okay for stories to have messages but when a whole series is written with one message in mind (before the stories were written) you get very weak narratives with a very weak arc.
Yeah, the minute they announced it I was afraid that would happen. They would assume that making the Doctor female was good enough and just phone the rest in and boy did they ever. If there is actually a level below phoning it in they are likely to have found that one too.
@@Yaarrr What's worse is they hired actors and writers to fill quotas and not based on skill or experience. They have writers who have never written anything but politically themed stage plays and others who have only written soap opera and dramas. Not one of them has hard sci-fi experience or seems to understand how to write sci-fi. Oh, and most of the acting is so horrible. It also seems like someone told Whitaker to just act like Tennet and Smith and she would be fine because they were popular. Thing is, copying Tennet's facial expressions is not acting and on her face they make her look like a moron.
@@LibraGamesUnlimited The previous series was a warning of things to come - there was a massive increase in the number of elements which were simply crowbarred in to serve an agenda rather than the story.
I think the biggest departure from previous series was the relationship of the doctor to her friends (companions). The companions have been more independent characters and there was often a good deal of tension between a companion and his/her Doctor Who. This tension allowed the characters personalities to show through. Jodi Whitaker's friends were merely lap dogs. There's more to companionship than loyalty and obedience.
@@theradgegadgie6352 can't say I've watched much. I watched a lot of Tom Baker as a kid, but not a heck of a lot of the others until I got into it again as a teenager, when I found Eccleston, just after Tennant started. So I wouldn't know, unfortunately, and it's hard to get your hands on the classic era these days, so i guess I'll never know... I'll take your word for it.
BBC just released Classic era whole seasons on Blur Ray. They started with Bakers first season and now they are on Davidson's first season! You can get it on amazon. The BBC said this is the current format on how they are going to rerelease the classic episodes...
Series 1: BAD WOLF! Series 2: TORCHWOOD! Series 3: HAROLD SAXON! Series 4: DOCTOR-DONNA! Series 5: SILENCE WILL FALL! Series 6: DEATH OF THE DOCTOR! Series 7: IMPOSSIBLE GIRL! Series 8: THE PROMISED LAND! Series 9: THE WOMAN WHO LIVED! Series 10: MONKS! (I suppose) Series 11: Err...some teethy guy wants to kill some humans because he can...
What's worst is that I actually really like Thirteen in the Woman Who Fell. She felt like the perfect continuation for the Doctor's overarching arc of redemption after the Last Time War. Nine was traumatized, Ten was filled with guilt, Eleven was trying to forget, Twelve was taking his responsabilities and now Thirteen was healing, taking a brighter, more optimistic outlook to her own life. I was pumped for that lighter version of the Doctor, but it feels that they didn't trust their own idea and quickly, it seemed that Thirteen was just as somber as the others before her and she never really developed her own unique twist on the character. She was the Doctor, for sure, but she failed to be her own Doctor.
@@dwilborn1257 I don't think the problem is Jodie. I think it's the writing. Say what you want about Moffat, but Tennant and Smith's runs had a lot of good stories. Loved the Clara and River stories, especially the latter. And the angels... what an awesome baddy. Anyway, my point is if the writing was good, she wouldn't be the problem. Her character was all over the place. I think her TARDIS is actually a pretty good symbol. Could be cool if done right but instead it's just a clusterfuk of could be cool things mashed into one incoherent ball.
@@cctomcat321 she's also part of the problem, it doesnt feels like she's acting. It feels like watching her rehashing her scripts instead of watching her acting as the doctor
@@DasKame The ratings may have started good but week in week out got worse, ending with the worse rated Christmas special (sorry "seasonal special", we all know the BBC is anti-Christian). Plus ratings have bugger all to do with the actual quality of the show.
I think it would be really interesting to see the doctor talk to someone from her past. The show seems like it's in a slightly different universe to all of the other doctors and it doesn't feel like she's the same person, just in someone else's body, it feels like she's a different person all together. Maybe it would seem a bit more connected if you could see the doctor interacting with River Song or someone like that.
What went wrong was the writing. If you look at the new writers Chibnal brought in they have, for the most part, two things they share. 1. A lack of previous experience writing for television. 2. They had never written Doctor Who before. Another thing they all either share or are noted for- 1. writing young adult fiction. 2. playwrights known for using social issues as their subject matter. And some of them are both. So it is perhaps not surprising that the result was a series which put the social issues front and centre, showed a lack of experience in how to structure television and narrative over a series and in the concept of show don't tell, and did not have a handle or direction for how to write the Doctor other than generic surface quirky Doctor. And on top of all that is what is clearly a deliberate choice to move the Doctor to a secondary role in narratives, more akin to the 1st Doctor as a facilitator of adventures and moral guide for the companions (compare Clara about to shoot Missy and 12 takes her place to save her the burden of a killing on her soul to 13 merely making Grahame know where she stands if he does kill toothface- 12 acts taking responsibility for Clara, 13 gives a moral direction but does nothing). And this is because the story is no longer about the Doctor, its about adventures with the Doctor. The narrative itself is now all about the social issue of the week. This choice to have an issue of the week in place of a monster of the week is another deliberate change, one which explains why the villains are either not villains, or very poor ones when they are. The monster and the characters reactions to it are not what is being explored, but rather whatever that weeks social issue is. To such an extent that you can take an episode like Demons, remove not only the aliens from the plot, but the Doctor and companions too, and the story would remain the same. The issue takes such importance that the main cast and the alien are surplus to narrative requirements. Conversely if you leave everything else and take out the social issue you'd have nothing left. Its all there is. Compare that to Empress of Mars, which also has a social issue underpinning it- Brexit- which is why at the end its linked to the classic Who Peladon episodes, which are widely known to have been about the UK entry in to the European Common Market, the two stories bookend the UK's time in the EU. But you can not only watch the episode fine (or the Peladon ones) and not know that, you could take the few more directing references out and still be left with an entertaining sci-fi romp. You can't do that with much of series 11 because the social issue is the main story. Its not under the surface, not allegorical, not metaphorical, its just front and centre in your face the main thing. If you take it out there is no story left so weak are the sci-fi premises and characters the issues are hung upon. The manner in which they have tried to achieve moving the Doctor down a few pegs of importance to the stories has spectacularly backfired however as it makes 13 seem slower, less smart, less observant (Woman Who Fell, Kerblaam, Witchfinders, Resolution), less confident, lacking the Doctors characteristic arrogance, with less bravado, less confrontation and less -or no- glimpses to a darker dangerous aspect of the character (every single episode) and more needy than her male predecessors requiring confirmation from those around her for her actions (Arachnids, Kerblaam, Resolution) and with no clear moral compass or direction throughout the entire series. None of which there is any good reason for save the only way they could think of to make the Doctor not be front and centre was apparently to make her dumber. When you combine that with giving her no real conflict, either internal or external and a bunch of yes men for companions and no adversaries worth the name you have the unfocused, morally dubious social issue focused mess that is series 11 and the 13th Doctor. Its a travesty above all else that the 1st female Doctor should be written this way.
I wish I had the time to do justice to this comment with a proper reply (I've already written an essay in these comments) but I will at least give you the TL;DR version: The issues-oriented storytelling is severely undermining the quality of the show. At least half of the episodes in season 11 are ones where humans are the real monsters, and/or framed as some kind of morality tale. The reason they do this is probably due to some requirement of upholding social justice, whether set by themselves or by the BBC. It a lot of the time, the show even fails to follow its own lead on social justice. The fact the women in the main cast are so devoid of character development, the queerbaiting between the Doctor and Yaz (£10 says they will never kiss on-screen), and the suspicious number of redshirts who happen to be gay are all clear symptoms of this. And rather than create a new show with a focus on social justice (it could have even been a Doctor Who spinoff - I'd have been far more lenient), they've repurposed the show proper, in the hopes that its audience would follow suit. It will come back to bite them in the arse. Even social justice activists will abandon the show if it doesn't continually raise the bar.
Not to mention it makes it really dated. You can look back at old episodes, and ignore restraints of the time, such as costumes, special effects, and so on, and they feel timeless. You can watch them comfortably, because they aren't rooted in a specific time. Ryan and Yaz going on about being more likely to be pulled over than white mates makes it a very dated 2010's series. When I watched it, I swear he was quoting a video I'd seen about it on YT. Word for word. In a couple of decades where this isn't a thing, people won't be able to watch it and relate. It will be set in time, which is a shame that it comes after the New Who series' which you can watch nearly 2 decades later with no problem.
I think it would've been hilarious if, when Capaldi regenerated, he took Donna's form. They could sell that idea through the meta-crisis or whatever that created DoctorDonna or something. I'm not totally opposed to a female Doctor (other than this has never been a thing until the new series and I will never buy that cross-gender regeneration has always been a thing, we just never saw it before), I just don't think this one is any good.
What stands out to me about 13's character is that she always makes an effort to be polite and kind in how she speaks to people, and is bluntly honest, yet gentle in a way that previous Doctors wouldn't be. She's always adding "please" and "sorry" and being genuinely friendly with everyone. Even when she resents someone, she'll say something like "I haven't warmed to him" or tell them plainly to their face exactly what they've done to offend her. I see this as her honouring 12's last words, which were directed at her. The angry old man who hated everybody wanted to be kinder. 13's personality is the natural result of that.
Hiccup Hufflepuff that's a really lovely and astute observation, I like that. She is polite. I feel like that actually links really well to what I saw emerged as one of her defining traits: she is quick to righteous anger, particularly against exploitative people or unkind individuals, but without really shouting. I felt the Smith-like goofiness she was sometimes given sounded like she was speaking another character's lines. But she was great at calling out the actions of others. Not in an intense Capaldi way or a gallant Tennant way, but in a strident, firm manner. She's very polite until you cross somebody. Then she gets mad. Also yay Hufflepuff! #PuffPride #BadgersUnite
sfdebris often says the next Doctor is a reaction to the last one and I agree. Your assessment is spot on. That said, I do think she needs a little more... something. I'm not sure what. But I'm only 6 episodes in so far, still 5 stories to see.
Sorting Hat: You lead, but you’re scared too. For yourself and for others. The Doctor: Yeah, well. Who isn’t. Sorting Hat: Afraid of your own newness. I see deeper, though. Further back. The Timeless Child. The Doctor: What did you just say? Sorting Hat: You don't know. The Doctor: What are you talking about? What can you see? Sorting Hat: I see what’s hidden, even from yourself. The outcast, abandoned and unknown. The Doctor: Get out of my head! Sorting Hat: But even so it is that fear that you are harbouring that leads you towards your fierce desire to protect. It is that fear that drives you to be kind 'without hope, without witness, without reward'. It is that fear that allows you to be optimistic and encouraging. To nurture. To be a Doctor and make people better. Sorting Hat: HUFFLEPUFF!
What really pisses me off is that all the potential for a brilliant TARDIS team was here, Chibnall just introduced them all too quickly. They should’ve joined the TARDIS one by one (with Graham being the only ‘full-time’ companion) with maybe a full team being established by Resolution, once we’d got to know Ryan, Yaz and Graham one by one. There were even eps where it would’ve been natural as Ryan/Yaz’s first adventure (Rosa and Demons of the Punjab come to mind). Jodie Whittaker is a brilliant actress who’s been given frankly abysmal stuff to work with. A female doctor won’t be tried again for another few reincarnations because of Chibnall’s shitty writing and character building and I don’t think I can ever forgive him for that.
You have a valid point there. All the previous TARDIS teams in NewWho have been introduced gradually. We had Rose for 8 episodes because we were introduced to Captain Jack. By the time Mickey joined, we already had a lot of screen time with him. We had 5 episodes with Amy before Rory joined in. Nardole didn't need as much as character development, so it was fine for Bill to have more screen time. Much of the dialogue the Series 11 companions had is exposition and saying the obvious/repeating what was said before. Aside from Graham, they lacked the engagement of previous companions, with the constant sharing of screen time making it even worse.
I’d honestly would’ve been happy if Hayley Atwell played the Doctor. She has a sort of charisma to her. But writing-wise, Chibnall definitely needs some help.
With Doctors 9 through 12 we get to know exactly what kind of Doctor these characters are within the first few episodes of their first series. Some of them we get to know them completely within the first episode. With 13 I still don't know what she is, but she doesn't even feel like the Doctor yet. The show didn't even feel like Doctor Who after the premier until Kablam, and the series was almost over by then.
Agreed. I read the script of the first episode yesterday, and I was amazed to find that much the Doctor's character is actually hard-wired into the words she's given! The Doctor is written in such a way that she can only really come across across as a scatter-brained lightweight, with hardly any gravitas at all. She's. Also. Given. Breathless. Soundbites. To. Say. Much. Too. Often... Why don't they give her actual *sentences* to speak more often? Poor woman doesn't stand much of a chance with material like that.
Bad writing and she is a terrible actress for the role - like with music some artist can't sing certain songs, they just don't work with them and with acting it's the same thing, she shouldn't have been given the role because she can't do it, you can see it from episode 1 of hers just like you can see from the moment someone opens their mouth whether or not they'd be capable of taking on a certain song.
Excellent video. I agree with every point. Chibnall's Doctor Who frustrates me a lot. There's another anoying thing: the TARDIS is now an elevator. It is not a special place where exciting things happen, or very dramatic scenes, or hilarious moments... Chibnall doesn't give a shit about this wonderful place. I think the only long scene we saw there was the beginning of Kerblam.
+[Niebo317] Well.... _Kerblam!_ , and about 4 or 5 scenes in _Resolution_ . I do agree it was a problem in Series 11 proper, though (that is, discounting the Special).
Although I love the TARDIS and TARDIS-centric episodes, I'm kinda glad it wasn't seen as much in this series just from its interior design alone. The lighting and colours in it were so dark and saturated it was almost painful to look at after a while. And the crystals just seem so out of place in my opinion. The console itself being a crystal was cool, but having them all over the room seemed really over the top.
@@amaurapond Yeah, that didn´t help at all. But I think they made it like this because they didn´t think to use it that much. That´s why you don´t feel the TARDIS is a comfortable space anymore.
When I saw the teaser for "The Tsuranga Conundrum", I really really thought and hoped that the antagonist would be the midnight entity, which would've been awesome
I really want this to be a learning season for them and that they understand where they went right and wrong. But I don't know if she will stick around for her doctor to get her own identity. Since she and chibnal said 11 episodes per year was unreasonable, and when I've heard her speak about the show. It's so focused on her being a female doctor. But I don't care about that, I just want to know what kind of doctor she is and keep a certain amount of consistency. She could certainly change throughout her tenure. Smith and Capaldi especially had some drastic shifts during the mid point of their run, but you knew what made them tik focusing on very different aspects and particular way of looking at the world. But while she has the typical doctor traits of being resourceful, thinking ahead instead of just reacting for the most part, is able to both be kind and arrogant depending on who she talks to. But we see her for the most part through the eyes of the companions. I don't need a heaven sent but one episode that would focus on her adjusting to finding out who she is now. Not a deliberate journey of self discovery, but the best doctor moments come from you seeing everything from the doctors perspective you have no idea how a new doctor will handle a certain unbeatable situation. And how the doctor then wins becomes a template for them that shows of their strengths. Nitpick, her TARDIS seems more like it's something from Krypton then Gallifrey, and the soundtrack was terrible this year. It feels wrong to not go orchestral, it doesn't sound like doctor who to me without it.
@@craydogdog1530 ur point being? The simple fact is new who has been better until this year where I literally can't think of a single scene that I can't wait to rewatch. 9-12 doctor would have bad episodes but often have 1 scene that was written in a way that you can rewatch it several times and see new layers. This was all surface level writing and it had this weird chip on it's shoulder seemingly forgetting the people who watch it are already on their side and it's not getting new viewers by bashing them.
Well said, this season was a let down. If you're looking for idea's there's no harm in reviewing past seasons, a little tweaking here and there could give it a much more desired effect. I would however suggest that the writer's could and should take on board the views of the fans for which this programme is intended for.
Capaldi debut was great too. Its so powerful in contrast with matt which feels more wholesome. Capaldi calling everyone puding brain, stealing hobo's coat, pushing the robot guy off the tardis, and ofc... shut up! Shut up! Shutity upupup! Love it!
Series 5 and 8 were very weak IMO. I love Capaldi but his first series was pretty poor. I enjoyed this series, wasn't the best, wasn't even close to the worst. With any new Doctor is usually takes a series to iron out the problems. That's excluding a few Doctors though (ie. Tom, Christopher, etc.)
@@mrdoggo3569 I just stated my opinion. I am well aware that most fans enjoyed it but there was a huge backlash from fans, a lot of people stopped watching the show because of it. Not that that matters though, if people enjoy it then fair play to them, i'm all for people enjoying things I didn't. I also think people that didn't like series 11 should just leave the fans that enjoyed it alone. This happens every time there's a new Doctor/Showrunner.
The 2nd episode of season 5 was totally forgettable(I actually forgot about it untill I watched it the other day). I thought the rest of the episodes were at least average and I really liked the dream lord episode. The penultimate episode had a 10/10 cliffhanger but the finale was just atrocious. The way the doctor escaped the pandorica was cheap.
All these doctors had one thing in common emotion something at Whitaker don't have after all she has to squat over the toilet to piss the other doctors didn't have to it just simply stood up and whipped it out that's the big difference all the satisfied of social justice lgtb community
Actually, the “misconstrued villains” plot line happened FOUR episodes in a row, not three, since Kerblam also centred around it too; you get the call for help assumed to be from human workers, then the robots start killing - so once you realise that the higher-up staff are actually just as confused about the culprit as the main characters (so it’s not a “secret, cruel corporate plan executed by corrupt businessmen” conspiracy), you think it’s a typical “AI turns on humans and starts murdering” story. Only then the end reveals that the AI/machine was the one asking for help and all of the bad actions were caused by the real bad guy an extremist/activist/terrorist manipulating the machine to his own ends. This is part of the reason I think the sci-fi theme felt weak in many episodes: they introduce a “villain” that - while not always flashy - is at least somewhat sci-fi, but then once they reveal the misunderstanding the plot always shows that the real villain(s) were the humans all along. Arachnids in the UK: the spiders are only berserk because they’re disoriented by their growth spurt; the real villains are the “slimy corporate executives” who decided to unsustainably dump toxic waste - where the (supposed to be) dead spiders were also dumped - to cut costs. Demons of the Punjab: the mysterious alien assassins showing up around people who die are actually mourners/mortuary witnesses paying respects to those who die alone; the real villain was the fiancé’s brother who sold him out and murdered him. Kerblam: Makes you think it’s an advanced futuristic AI murdering workers in an uprising against humans, or a corrupt corporate scheme where higher-ups are using the machines to do so, but the managers are actually trying to solve the disappearances/murders and the AI is asking for help. The real villain is the human who is trying to use the machine to set up what is essentially a terrorist attack to prove an anti-AI point. It Takes You Away: The sentient universe lulling people to trap them there is just lonely, and the monster in the woods is just a sound recording. There isn’t really an outright villain here, but the father does leave his blind daughter alone for long enough to make her think he’s gone missing, plants the speakers in the forest and lies to her about a monster - outright terrifying her into isolating herself in the house - to keep her from going outside. It’s fine to explore emotional themes, but they spend so much time sidelining fake-out sci-fi villains - in favour of human villains creating conflicts that are mostly either interpersonal or moral - that they replace most of the sci-fi conflicts entirely. You can find interpersonal/moral issues about coping as a single dad, unethical dumping affecting the environment, family tensions and fratricide in dramas and soap operas. Even with the context of the Partition of Demons of the Punjab being behind the brothers’ conflict, you could still easily do that in a historical drama. They’re actively swapping out sci-fi elements in the story for human events and human drama conflicts. Obviously, Doctor Who has still showed plots of interpersonal drama or normal human conflict, and sci-fi/historical stories where humans were part of the problem, previously (think the human passengers pointing fingers and arguing in Midnight, for example; the monster was a large element but so was the tension between the panicking passengers who exacerbated the aggression and turned on the Doctor. For drama, think of all of the everyday human drama that’s happened with the companions: Rose and Mickey, Clara and Danny Pink. Even Classic Who had historical stories centred around companies or politicians as villains, like The Green Death or Enemy of the World. Historical stories from Hartnell’s era were mostly consisting of human issues, too.) However, the problem with series 11 is that this case happens almost more than the sci-fi stories themselves, and the episodes actively set-up sci-fi plots and characters as potential stories, only to actively red-herring or throw them away mid-episode in favour of mainly human-centric plots instead. They’re actively throwing away the major sci-fi elements in an episode ON SCREEN.
I originally thought it was kind of clever to do the _'humans are the real monsters'_ kind of thing in Rosa, because that was the first episode in a long time (possibly the entirety of New Who) not to feature a non-human antagonist of some kind. But then when they do it again and again in every episode, it quickly becomes a tired old trope. I think the reason they used it in so many other episodes is for the same reason they did so with Rosa: they want to shine a light on real-world issues in the hopes of actually changing the world. Arachnids is a ripped-from-the-headlines story about a certain loud-mouthed corrupt politician. Tsuranga tried way too hard to be a science lesson and failed miserably, but also managed to be a subtle jab against the defunding of public healthcare. Punjab has a plot tied together by post-colonial guilt, along with the additional morality tale of scary looking aliens turning out to be harmless, thus encouraging the audience to challenge their xenophobia. Kerblam is... I dunno. It feels like a morality tale that forgot to have a moral, except perhaps 'the robots will take your jobs, and that's okay!' Witchfinders, while it does feature a monster that is actually monstrous for once, spends much more of its screen time focusing on the evils of its human characters, and using the witch trials to frame its _ever so brave_ moral stance that sexism is in fact A Bad Thing. They lay off it a bit for the final few episodes, but even Resolution just _has to_ make that unneeded gripe about how humans have overcome many things throughout history, _including the worst of their own people!_ So, given how the early seasons established the Doctor as someone who _likes humans,_ it leaves a bad taste in your mouth when season 11 spends half its time saying _'Actually no. Humans aren't good. We need to be better!'_ - in addition to all the other ways it's meddled with the formula. Don't even get me started on the thirteenth Doctor's complete inability to be intimidating, or even interesting for that matter. Not only is it detrimental to the show for all the reasons outlined above. I think the only real reason they did it was the external requirement to uphold social justice. I could be reading way too much into this, but given the precedent set by Rosa, it's not hard to imagine the Doctor Who team being Hell Bent on _'reflecting the times we live in',_ and using their enormous audience to _'create positive change in the world'._ I'm paraphrasing, but not by much. The second part is something the main cast have all discussed in interviews. And the first is pretty much verbatim from Chris Chibnall. This is why I say the focus on social issues has brought down the quality of the show. It's not "political correctness" - it's something far more insidious than that. This is *_issues-oriented storytelling._* And rather than build up a fanbase of people who like that kind of thing (it can be done well, to be fair - just look at the success of shows like Steven Universe.) the team behind this have repurposed an existing show, and then gotten cross with the audience for not conforming. And if I can get on my moral high horse for just a moment, I'd like to say it's a _huge_ disservice to the first female Doctor to have her associated with this mediocrity. Not only that, but her portrayal has only gone and reinforced a stereotypical notion that _'HAHA a woman can't play the Doctor without being a self-righteous feminist!'_ What's more is that it often fails at its stated goal. Perhaps because they can't fully commit to the idea of a female-led show, the Doctor and Yaz are both woefully underdeveloped as characters, with the latter offering little more to the show than her role as a token minority. They keep introducing gay characters, only to swiftly kill them off. And the two characters who fans actually want to be gay (the Doctor and Yaz) will probably never go beyond their vague hints at flirting with each other. And the Doctor wore a rainbow coloured scarf one time. This is called queerbaiting, and queer people _hate_ it. So, with that being said, I'm not sure who this show is for now, except perhaps well-meaning liberal types who want _feel_ like they're doing the right thing, because they can now watch a show where the main character is a _white woman_ instead of a white man (so inspiring!), and feel totally vindicated for their one-dimensional approach to social justice.
There is no problem with casting a female Doctor, but the reasons they cast a female Doctor are. It was more about making a political statement then about exploring a whole new character dynamic with the Doctor.
Exactly, the problem is that instead of using diversity in service of the story , the use diversity as a replacement for the story, and if you dare to criticize their laziness instead of praising them as forward thinking artists you are ofc a bigot...
Said exactly the same thing about the superlative disaster that was Ghostbusters 2016: It wasn't that the team were all women that was the problem but rather _why_ they were....
@@makara80 yeah, i liked the dynamic of the actresses, but they could have created a better, different story for them instead of trying to overwrite them in an old beloved classic... Come on, script writers, we want your new original stories!
@Ingrid Rib....well that actually wasn't what I was trying to convey tbh....but each to their own! No, "why" was a problem for me with GBusters chiefly because: you had an, ahem, 'flamboyant' (and demonstrably unsuitable) director/co-writer harbouring trite 'daddy issues' that detrimentally pervaded his work, plus a script fashioned to compliment his vapid, creatively-ossifying politics and feminist fetishes, etc, etc. And all to the alienation of GB fans and anyone who values good ol' escapist entertainment of course. ^Again the parallels with GB2016 and current 'Who are as startling as they are sobering....though to be fair Chibnall doesn't dress like a pretentious knob like Paul Feig so he's got that in his favour at least. ;)
Could have made the 13th doctor scared of having someone with them, frightened of having a companion after the 12th having had both be killed in some way, and his dragging people away for adventure endangered them. It could have been the doctor was awkward because they had to face the part they played in the death of people they cared about, the ponds, Clara, billy. Could have been an interesting take. Maybe they could be distant and harsh to push people away, possibly going out of the way to keep their companions out of danger, possibly fighting with the conflict of "is the adventures and experiences these people have worth their deaths?"
I was very optimistic when it came out. Didn't want to be a prick and say "a woman can't play the Doctor!" And they still lost my good faith in them by making the season a big wet fart. They might as well have done a lot of genre episodes- horror, drama, comedy, animated- whatever. That would have been easier to write and visually more fun to use the budget on. This felt like a middling drama series with sci-fi thrown in. Class was better than this and it got shitcanned.
@@sajtjakab Of course! Anyone who says there can't be is a shit brain. But, it turned out bad. Nothing more to say. It's just a TV show, though, so it's not too important.
@@sajtjakab We already had a good female Doctor her name was Romana. And technically we also got Joanna Lumley in a charity episode once and what little time she was on screen as the Doctor had more character then Jodie showed all season.
I love with capaldi his doctors internal conflict was not knowing if he was a good or bad man and this Carrie's through until hes forced to realise his answer when he first faces missy.
I'll be honest, I stopped watching the series halfway through. It wasn't bad, per se, there was wasn't anything there that was interesting or engaging. None of the characters grabbed me (all of the companions are criminally underdeveloped, something I chalk up to there being 3 of them right off the bat, whereas previous doctors got more or less a season to develop their relationship with a singular companion before you started seeing consistent extras coming along for the ride); the episodes felt disjointed, low-payoff, and lacking any sense of real stakes. As for it being overly progressive/SJW...I've never been able to understand how anyone could view doctor who (at least the new seasons) as anything but progressive - the companions are diverse, the doctor is inhumanly accepting in all his/her incarnations, and the broad message is USUALLY about acceptance, understanding, and finding nonviolent solutions (with the exceptions being foes that literally cannot be reasoned with). That being said, the level of virtue signalling in this season (especially given the clumsy way in which a lot of supposedly progressive content was handled) left a bad taste in my mouth. A good 50% of the episodes were a ham-handed attempt to reference a complex social issue in a superficial way (Kerblam! - Capitalism BAD!; Arachnids in the UK - haha Trump/insensitive rich people; Rosa - Racism bad! The Witchfinders - Sexism bad!). None of the targets (I hesitate to say villains) are remotely complex or sympethetic, which leads the inference that they're just there to be acceptable targets that can be freely hated and disposed of (kind of like chucking Nazis in a video game as shorthand for 'these guys are really bad and evil and it's okay to kill them). It's just lazy writing. I'm not saying you need to make, say, the racist guy from Rosa sympathetic, but for him to resonate as a villain and a threat, IMO he needed to have more to him than just a nothingburger of 'Me racist, blame black people for something, enact hilariously over the top plan to stop racial equality, Grrr.'. Personally, I got a lot more emotional resonance out of the random guy on the street's (who slapped Ryan) casual racism than I did the supposed antaognist's cartoonish and largely unmotivated villainy.
No, it really was bad per se in that it was so lifeless,witless and above all glorified denigrating the Doctor as a character. The number one thought I have coming out of this year is what does Chibnall have against having a female Doctor? He can say he's for a female Doctor all he wants but the writing says otherwise because the Doctor has never been made stupider or more useless on a consistent basis ever.
I was thinking about the complaint (in the video too) about too many companions and it just doesn't fly. So many other shows have a series of characters far more than 4, particularly sci-fi and they don't suffer from such poor characterisation. Many have managed to establish their characters by the first episode.
I agree with the point about the racist guy - it could have been a great opportunity to show where racism actually comes from and how to combat it, but instead the villain was paper-thin with no discernable motivations. I thought that episode was if not the best of the series then at least in the top 3, but the villain was a massive missed opportunity.
Another thing that I missed was the complete lack of two parters. I know the episodes were slightly longer, but they were padded with the "character moments" described in this video, and regardless of this, an extra 15 minutes does not equal a cliffhanger and an extra 45 minutes. Everything was wrapped up in a neat little bow, and any dangling plot threads like the Timeless Child, or the time traveller guy presumably surviving, just got completely forgotten after the end of the episode. The whole series felt very "monster of the week" which has been an outdated format for years. It's especially jarring when Chibnall said that it is now the era of Netflix and Doctor Who needs to keep up. Netflix and Amazon Prime series are some of the main drivers of deep, sprawling, multipart epics. When you consider the current state of the DW universe with the half return of Gallifrey, you could easily imagine a series of the Doctor being toyed with or tested by the Time Lords as part of their attempts to make a full return.
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i miss the interconnected plot lines, the insane soundtracks, the deep characters and the insane season finales. The idea of a female doctor is awesome for sure, but we NEED something more than this.
Completely Agree!!!
Nevhh K she's like those people who tell you the one obvious characteristic about themselves everytime you talk to them
You get more. Propaganda :^)
We got even more. We now have the worst Doctor Who twist imaginable. The Timeless Child. It's also canon now according to plenty of peeps directing the show. Someone hang them. Doctor Who is being handled by idiots right now.
It's amazing how fucking stupid you sound. All of that is already in the show moron, what you hate is the fact that the doctor is a woman.
I remember I was all sad because Eccleston left and I was in that denial phase while watching Christmas Invasion (first Tennant episode), until 10 throws the satsuma and the Sycorax fell to his death and said: "No second chances. I'm that sort of a man." I was like, okay, holy shit, this man is THE Doctor!! I never had a moment like that with her
Probably because she’s NOT A MAN????
holless it wasn‘t.... meant to be taken seriously... I totally agree with the opinion but I suppose my comedy is wasted here
holless no problem 😂😂😂😂😂
@@holless I believe he's talking about their line "Holy shit, this MAN is THE Doctor
Now she just throws out misandrist lines that shit all over the series history, like "I've had an upgrade" and so on, lectures fathers because the story always makes them bad fathers, or rants about how things always work out for white people. Doctor Who has become so hateful, sexist and bigoted, it makes me sick to watch now.
It’s funny how Amy is a better police officer than Yaz
Captain Deadpool agree
Amy was cosplaying a copper LOL.
Exactly! Amy could impersonate the qualities that Yaz doesn’t have as a real police officer. How can they write such a shallow character?
Except that if you pay attention Yaz is always the person to put the arm on a person. Yeesh.
Everton Porter: That's what makes it embarrassing.
It was the weird sensation that the 'character quirk' for this incarnation of the Doctor was 'being female' - and that's as far as they went...
I don't think that's really accurate at all, more the bad writing and turning it into a soap opera of team doctor not the Doctor and assistant
@@wynwilliams6977 Mhmm, no that's it.
@@wynwilliams6977 I would say both is true
No, they gave her *a* characterisation, but it was a lopsided mish-mash that ultimately didn't mean anything.
@@robynthethird4776 True.
I was most dissapointed that 13 seems to have selectively forgotten huge parts of her history, 9-12 have all been driven by and haunted by decisions they have made over the centuries, most significantly of course ending the time war, this caused moments when the facade of confidence or righousness fell away completely, even if only for brief moments. 13 is far too naive and self assured for a being thousands of years old.
Currently 13 hasn't gotten that many episodes to explore her doctor's deeper character but theres definitely going to be more brooding in her following seasons. Coming from someone who genuinely likes Whittaker as the doctor and doesn't just want to see the show fail.
I think 13 is this way because she has just been reborn and is trying to figure out herself by acting different ways, she is currently experimenting with the naive and self assured type and is trying to move past her regrets to more focus on currently saving the world and figuring out herself.
I'm not defending the way she acted, cuz I hated the way the writers portrayed her, but I'm just trying to point things out.
@Cian McCabe except the 10th didn't believe that was Satan either. A powerful creature but not Satan. Remember there are many devil figures in the doctor who universe. The doctor has always not believed in them.
Also that didn't kill the Beast as a comic comes into play where the Beast returns.
I feel like when 13 confronted the daleks she would be more angry than how she did react, she lost loads of people to then and even if 12 closed the chapter I think seeing one would still jarr her
It’s ok to be naive as shown with 4 (well he wasn’t exactly naive just really silly) but the way they made 13 naive doesn’t work.
Not because it was a woman. Just because it was bad.
but the charicter is male.
The best stories were in the series when Martha was companion, best fun was with Donna, the most badass moments were with Matt Smith, the best lessons were from Peter Capaldi
@@anuraktisharma3664 best were with sarah jane to be fair.
pastor brian actually your wrong the doctor is a genderless alien who happened to always look male cause no show runner before the current one was willing to cast a female in the role even though the show's creator Sydney Newman had publicly stated in the 80's his wishes to see a female doctor
@@kevin10001 Sydney newman also hated the Daleks, hated the shows theme and hated monsters in the show, all the things that made the show WORK!!!!!.... And ur willing then to go off his "good" idea's? But ur wrong anyway....the dr was gendered. He is a time LORD. NOT a time lady. He started as a grand father, NOT A Grand mother. At his trial his people ONLY offered him male faces. WHY if he is genderless? wHEN his 3rd life was over one of his own race said he will become a new man, NOT a new person!!!!!! ALL other time lords stayed one gender too, the Rani (which means queen so she was gendered too), Romana (all her regenerations were female), the master (and before u site Missy, we never saw him change to a woman and we know he can take over bodies!) and Burusa....all stayed 1 gender. So you were wrong!!!!!! sorry......
this series just felt like it was made to:
-look like other doctors
-be a basic netflix show
-find a new public
it didn't feel like doctor who. It felt like a bad 2019 Sci-Fi serie.
Blendermen10 much like Star Trek discovery it barely resembles anything from the series people love and turned it into some action heavy bad society show when it was supposed to be about adventure scientific discovery and representing the ideal future of humanity showing how we could be better
Both these new series just don’t understand what makes these classic sci-fi shows work so well and why they’re so beloved and have lasted for decades
To me, season 11 is like when you order the latest iPhone on wish. The feeling when you open the parcel, all excited, only to find it's a fake
Before I even get into this vid, to me, the biggest failure of this Doctor & her 1st season was that she never had her "I am the Doctor" moment. Anyone jumping on the show from this season would have no clue what all the fuss was about.
Antony Drossos OMG that’s never thought about that
I agree . That’s always the best part
Yes, that’s what I’ve been saying! You just said it better. I like this actress and there’s so much potential but she was never a moment to shine.
Chris had his coword or killer David had I could do so much more mat had the pandora speech peter dint really have anything but he was really funny
@@Jackgames-vg7cw I think Peter's morality thing was kindness, carried from "I know where I got this face" to his final monologue. As much as I despise series eleven, I really hope that they do give Jodie some sort of "I am the doctor" moment in the end. I dislike both Whittaker and Chibnall, but I hope that by some accident they manage to forget their far, far leftist bollocks for a second or to to keep the show alive somewhat.
The loss of Murray Gold was also a big factor in losing the magic that the initial revival had. The music is very generic and there are barely any notable things to say about it. Just like the actual series.
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Peacherboy1 - I completely agree! I don't know if this is just me being sad but sometimes I listen to some random music from Dr Who and i can always picture whats happening and feel the emotion of the scene. I could not hum one line of the music this series, I barley noticed it.
The way this comment was phrased, I thought he died. I had a small heart attack.
Peacherboy1 That’s another reason why the Russel TV Davies era will always be my favourite. Thank god I didn’t grow up with Moffat or Chibnall running the show.
@@z-rex6068 I believe Gold was still the major composer in the Moffat era, and he did a damn good job during that time. It honestly took me a while to appreciate Moffat as a show runner, but I look over both of their eras fondly.
How come nobody is shocked that there's no costume when they travel in the past in their 21st century clothes?
It's not about fashion it's about blending in within a medieval witch hunt for example
They wouldve all been 'tried' for witchcraft , or been Killed outright. No one would wear those clothes in Medieval century england , they wouldnt even speak the same english
@@mobilegamer2714 Well, you have the TARDIS to thank for the lack of language barriers, but the clothing thing still applies.
Lucas Luckstone but it makes more sense for the doctor to get away with it as a man, and most of the time his companion did to a certain extent.
In all fairness that trend kinda died around about Series 3. Which is a shame because I liked the idea of dressing for the period but it probably hit the budget too hard.
Well didnt the majority of Doctor Who episodes have them not changing their clothes? Unless youre introduced to the doctor in the middle of an adventure he/she would walk around around with his bow or tie
It’s not Jodie, it’s the writer that’s the problem.
yep i feel like this season missed something. with capaldi the doctor had a deep psychology and the thematic of "yep, i'm old that's who i am, not your happy boyfriend goung on a date with you" and it was about the doctor being accepted
After watching this, I understand better now why I didn't like the season. Yeah the writers did not do a good job here. Inconsistent flat characters and mediocore stories.
It's everything.
its all of it!! changing the doctor is a huge mistake by the bbc
bruce wayne I would very much disagree, Jodie Whittaker is an excellent actress and her being a woman shouldn’t make a difference, I bet you, if she was written by Russel or even Moffat, she would be hailed as one of the greatest doctors of all time
It feels like watching a random DnD party run around the universe, forgetting all about their character bonds and backstories and just grinding out quests.
This might be the best description of this series. It felt like a series of grind quests.
This is true.
holy shit thats perfect
How to improve for series 12 (IMO)
1. Reduce the tardis team
2. Have great new & old monsters
2.5. Have the Daleks in their proper casing (chibnall has at least proved he can write the Daleks as calculating & deadly villains again)
3. Have the plot & character drama link together
4. Challenge the doctor with high stakes stories
5. Stop using the word "fam"
6. Unless it's woven into the story, stop referring to politics in episode (looking at you trump knock off & unit brexit joke)
7. Don't over explain everything & show, don't tell.
8. Make episodes scary
9. Have a direction for where the series is going
10. Don't kill Graham!
Feel free to reply with your own ideas of what would improve the next series
B H There is another Doctor Who TH-camr called Samyuldavis who released a video the other day where he had the idea that there should be a cataclysmic event that results in there being two doctors for an entire series. He had some whacky out there ideas but they were really interesting, I’d kind of like to see them happen.
It's this video by the way: th-cam.com/video/MApCB2K2qTA/w-d-xo.html
- One of the companions should turn against the Doctor or die
- We need some EPIC speeches
- Two-parters
- Make the Doctor angry, sad, desperate, push her to her limits
- STORY ARC!!!
- The Doctor should command authority
- MUSIC!!! HEROIC MUSIC!!!
I think Chibnall does not understand the fundamental duality of the Doctor:
The Doctor is a mighty god as well as a puny little mortal like everyone else. Boasting and humble, strong and week, old and young, who saves the universe but makes grave mistakes, with vast knowledge, but still knows nothing...
Just an idiot with a box, who is kind and tries to save people, because this is the right thing to do.
The Doctor is the hero, who doesn't understand how s/he ended up as one. Surprised and amazed how s/he defeated every enemy s/he encountered. Who didn’t wish to become the Doctor, but who is fully aware of what it means.
Like in his speech to akhaten:
"I saw the birth of the universe and I watched as time ran out, moment by moment, until nothing remained. No time. No space. Just me."
The Doctor should be confident, she should know what she is capable of, what she can do and what she has done in the past. And she should be scared because of that. Scared of herself, scared of what she might become, scared because of all the dangers of the universe. Scared, that she is not enough to stop the evil, that she will not live up to the expectations. Scared of being alone.
Being the Doctor is immense power, a huge responsibility and a crippling burden, too.
Now, that is what I lack from the 13th Doctor.
Sorry for the grammar, I am not a native speaker.
Bradley Walsh should be the companion cause there is hardly any male or elderly companions and Ryan would be decent as well though he doesn't have as much charisma, but he would still be decent though Yaz is just a bland boring unecessary nothingness and contributes nothing or almost nothing to the show and i don't think she would work out as a single companion, she doesn't even work with any of the other companions so she wouldn't work alone either
*"I love conspiracies!"*
...
*"I hate conspiracies!"*
sad moment can we get an amen
Zion amen
@@postman6553 I tried googling it to see if there was some weird story behind it couldn't find nothing then I instantly got a bit of hate for the show how lazy and stupid that was no doubt they will put some story towards it because of such a big and obvious fuck up
It couldve been good if she started the episode loving conspiracies and the later down the series starting to hate them, you know a little character development
This moment pains me. That's a simple and silly mistake
The scene with Matt Smith where he says "Hello, I'm the Doctor. Basically, run." I still get chills when I think of that scene. Jodie Whitaker never had that grandiose moment that really established her as the next Doctor.
Plus, the amazing soundtrack that went with Matt Smith's era helped a lot too.
On the point of budget: Doctor Who has proved before that they can make amazing episodes on tiny budgets; just look at "Midnight"! One of the best episodes ever and it's only really one small location. Just a lack of imagination this series.
but with a tightier budget and a new team and change of prop manager and trying to fix a crashing doctor who
Midnight was terrifying. It was smart and made everyone uneasy because of the feeling of being confined in a small place and no escape and the threat being INSIDE so no way out possible. The only one able to help everyone (The Doctor) gets infected and unable to help. It was really clever.
The only imagination was saying “look a woman a white man and two tokens”
Nemu Kant also the acting was incredible
@@aquasheep9535 yes !
It's exactly as I've been saying since even before season 11 came out.
"My problem is not with Jodie Whittaker or a female doctor, it's with Chris Chibnall."
And now that season 11 came and went I still feel exactly the same.
Series 12 seems to be an upswing for Chibnall as a showrunner, so far. I have been enjoying it, it's much less ham-fisted with its rhetoric, much more in line with what a Doctor Who story arc should be. And then there's the events of Fugitive of the Judoon...
Here is an immediate fix for the spider plotline. Keep the toxic waste bit but have them be controlled by arakeen a spider woman trying to take over the world. Have there be some comments indicating that she and the doctor have met before and she was sealed in a cavern on earth for trying to take over till some new construction busted her out. A dd a comment on how arakeen sounds like arachne and a line about how "you humans tend to remember stuff even if improperly and add gods for some reason." There is a fix and while using concepts that have been used before it opens floodgates to potential stories incorporating mythology, adds in a future overarching storyline or reaccuring villain and time travel shenanigans by in a future season have the doctor defeat her the first time. all while keeping the eco message cibnall was trying for. Anything would be more interesting than giant spiders attacking because reasons.
My probelm is with the female doctor. And with Chibnall.
When you actually watch the videos in youtube when you only see jody, she's good. But the scenario and the companions are so bad you can't even understand she's good.
@@Brittanysplittany Why do you have a problem with a female doctor? Did you have a problem with Missy?
The problem with this doctor is the fact that we never get an "I AM THE DOCTOR!" moment.
The problem is that two seasons in, and Jodie Whittaker still hasn't "found her feet" as the Doctor. Or rather, the writers haven't figured out how to write good stories (without the SJW agenda that's infecting damn near EVERYTHING of late)!
I can think of 13's proclamation to Tim Shaw in Woman Who Fell to Earth, The Doctor's offer to the Frog Universe in It Takes You Away and the first Dalek Confrontation in Resolution, the best Dalek story since Journey's End and a more proper finale to Series 11 than Battle of Avocados, as "I am the Doctor" moments.
Then again, I grow on new Doctors, from Tenant to Matt Smth to Capaldi to Whittaker faster than most people it seems.
@@AroAceGamer journey's end is ass and pure nostalgia bait
We did in the first episode. But the new music and acting let it down
@@Milk88488that's your opinion
It is wrong but it is your opinion
The series was all "tell" and no "show". And it told a lot of lies.
Bring back the kind of stories from the David Tennant era. They should rehire those writers or hire writers who can write in that style.
So Moffat?
@@mycroft16 Yawn....hopefully not!
@@kittycatswhiskers I just find it funny that during the RTD years people complained about the writing, and then during the Moffat years people complained about the writing and wanted RTD back (though Moffat was one of the writers for RTD), and now during the Chibnall years everyone is complaining about the writing and wishing for previous writers back... I'm sensing a pattern here.
@@mycroft16 do not worry when Chibnall's gone no one will want him back
@@MH-ct3co If there is anything I've learned from 56 years of Doctor Who... it's never make absolute statements. :)
The thing that got me was when the Doctor regenerates, he is confused and scatty for the first episode. JW was like this all the way through the series
But there was no consistency.She showed no particular surprise at being born in a female body after 900-odd years as a male. There were any number of entertaining opportunities in that situation but they were totally overlooked.
Exactly. Unfortunately I purchased the series so I could see it (didn’t want to wait for the free release) just crossing my fingers and hoping that they would do something awesome with it. What you said Mark was my main problem with the series-the excessively prolonged confusion was just annoying. As someone else wrote here she never really had a true “I am the doctor” moment. I kept asking myself why are these people following her again? All the stories seem like they had real potential but fell incredibly short of it.
Toothface, imo, was nearly as eww as the sleep crust monsters, with the whole frozen vase never really quite making sense with how it matters/meshed in the grand scheme w/the crazy electronic play-with-me forest air graphics & the ball of yarn electricity fiend all supposedly paving his way. Do we find out if Toothface came out of the vase? Did the electric ball come out of the vase? What was the whole freezing to touch thing & why...the whole story was poorly explained, which could pretty much be said for most of the stories in the season. Even when I was interested they seem to go off on tangents that lost me. Just really poor writing & too much distancing her from doctors past.
I have no problem with a Time Lord regenerating into whatever gender. They stepped away from the Time Lord lore where females could only regenerate into females a long long time ago & as a fan I didn’t have any issue with that I just saw it as a possible evolution as all things evolve. Missy made the twists interesting. Matter of fact I probably would’ve had less of a time enjoying this if Missy had been the new Doctor as wacky as that sounds.
Fact is, all of the stories were disconnected, whereas in the past the tales had clever threads that brought things together, like the writer had thought the entire series through (for all of the years they were ever going to write) instead of just cranking out episodes.
When you build on previous stories and connect things it just makes things flow and you can think back in your head “Oh that’s where that came from!I see where you’re headed” in an episode it just makes the whole thing more interesting.
And do not get me started with her ship design...hope she isn’t going be forced to suffer that bleh interior Tardis decor for the whole of 2020.
I agree. She never seemed to own the character.
@@ThePassion81 I agree, except for not totally disliking the TARDIS decor..But I don't like the six bendy-down pillars. The fact that they move that way seems to rob the TARDIS of dignity and make it toy-like. I much preferred them as coral-like arches.
However I do really like the big hexagonal panels with their overlapping/intermeshed spoke shapes, some seemingly suspended disconnected. That adds an apt mystery: the TARDIS is no simple flat-walled square room!
About the big 'time crystal' ccentral console core.. I'm not convinced. I find it a bit hokey. How many mystic crystals have we seen? Too old/samey!
The console seems pleasing enough, having a continuity-with-variation with all that have gone before since Eccleston's. With its eccentric mic of chunky, clunky steampunk/dieselpunk levers, and a footpedal or so, it seems functional while eclectic.
But what's with the egg-timer? If only that was a bit more elaborate and Time-Lord-teched-up, I'd like it better.
Overall? I find the new interior too dark. It doesn't seem to light up. Other recent interiors could be dark but with distant lights, and could light up revealing the different levels and spaces.
This one is too anonymous, and characterless, for my taste. No other rooms in the (vast, rambling) TARDIS architecture have been shown. Surely the three companions need somewhere to rest and eat, and would want to explore, given such an opportunity? I'm not looking for a glut of gratuitous indulgence, but a little hint that there is so much more, and glimpses now and then, would be nice.
Maybe season 12 will show us more of the TARDIS interior, or a further re-design?
@@ThePassion81 I agree except about the tardis I really like the intior of the tardis
Having three companions seems like a massive mistake I missed the first episode and this is the first time I’m hearing about yaz being a police officer that’s how underdeveloped these characters are 😂
The Doctor has had three from time to time ever since the beginning of the series. I dont think its the number of companions thats the problem. Its just the characters themselves
@@joejohnson3891 True, like for example, Twelve travelled with Bill, Nardole, and Missy, but the difference is that this was executed well. We had a few episodes with only Bill as the companion, but it was clearly established that Nardole was also there, and then there was the vault and stuff (and Missy was already established in series 8). Then we had Nardole travelling along too and we could get to know his character more, while we got stuff about Missy as well. Even though Missy and Nardole had comparatively less screentime, we were still able to grasp their characters and know who they were. If series 11 had done something like this- maybe had one of the companions travel for a while, while also establishing and making the existence of the other two known, and then brought them in... I feel like we would've gotten top know the characters better that way
Yeah literally the only time they bring it up is actually in the first episode
I think a 4 person TARDIS team can work wonders, its just you have to introduce them gradually. thats why the Pond family & 9-Rose-Jack-Mickey (although it was only for one episode) worked so well. Build it up, and give them their own space to develop as characters.
It was a silly idea because they had 4 new characters to try to get people invested in.
A new Doctor, and the three companions. They introduced way too many new people at once, meaning by the end of the series we didn’t know much about any of them.
I really love this video. It's so nice to see something critical of series 11 that doesn't feel disrespectful. Actual constructive criticism tends to get drowned out with a lot of unsavory comments.
Here's to hoping series 12 is able to establish an identity of its own, and Whittaker will finally have better writing to work with.
thank you for watching! :)
So far, Series 12 has been MUCH better than Series 11.
@@danmenard6917 Well this conversation didn't age too well, did it
Haha unfortunately it’s somehow worse
@@keyanstoney1742 Yeah. It became a shithole in hell because of the Timeless Child.
the doctor:
I love conspiracies.
also the doctor:
Don't like conspiracies.
Maybe if the inconsistency was intentional that could've made this Doctor distinct.
Like, she's constantly changing her mind about things, and is extremely unpredictable. That could make her funny to be around, but also a real threat when she needs to be.
@@MrCaseySasaki but that isn't actually a character trait it's a plot device, that means she could be anything and why would she need deceive her friends in the context of the episode.
@@thebanana3099 "but that isn't actually a character trait it's a plot device, that means she could be anything"
Exactly! It adds ambiguity. We wouldn't know if it's an act or if she's genuinely crazy...
Her companions could be our surrogates, questioning her true values and motives amongst themselves and having to decide if they even want to be around her, just like we (the audience) would be.
"and why would she need to deceive her friends in the context of the episode."
"Need" to? Not what I'm saying. I meant "intentional" as in the WRITING of her character. If she was intentionally written to have chronic inconsistency, every interaction would be suspenseful...
Because if someone as intelligent and capable as the Doctor kept randomly changing her mind about things (even her most important values) my eyes would be glued to her each time she's on screen!
If a lack of distinction is the problem, then that's just one way to fix it.
@@MrCaseySasaki But that isn't good character writing the doctor's personality needs to be established first so the viewer understands how she would act in certain situations. We need to know this doctor's values where and where she draws the line, the 11th and 12th doctor can be seen as polar opposites by how they behave in each ones first season. If she acts differently in each of her adventures then how can she develope as a character and have a suitable arc.
@@thebanana3099 Did you read my whole reply? Why did you dismiss the rest of what I said?
Good character writing isn't just in an idea. It's also in the execution of it. In my last comment I clarified, making chronic inconsistency an intentional part of the WRITING of her character. But the success lies in the execution. Maybe sometimes she's kind and heroic, but randomly switches to cruel and cowardly. Making her so erratic could've been the START of an intriguing arc, while providing unlimited potential for unique and unpredictable interactions. Meanwhile her companions are our surrogates, debating her true values and motives while surviving their adventures. There could even be a reveal or new lore that comes out of it.
The point is that no one has a good grasp of who this new Doctor is at first, and why she's so randomly inconsistent. The Doctor, just like her companions and the audience, will have to work it out along the way. I find it strange you didn't consider any of that. You just instantly wrote it off as not "good" because she'd be too 'unpredictable.' But being unpredictable isn't bad character writing so long as it's effectively integrated into the storytelling itself. Again, it's all in the execution. A truly unpredictable Doctor could have BOTH villains and companions shitting in their pants. The potential of which I find intriguing.
11 walked into a dalek ship and threatened them WITH A BISCUIT
He threatened them with a jammy dodger and then eats it
One of the many reasons why I love Matt
Jay Morales that’s one reason why I love him it was so stupid
I know right!
fucking iconic
the main thing for me was just the characters where sooooOOOooooooOOOOoo 2d? Bradley Walsh was the only one who felt real to me. mixture of writing and mainly performing.
Yeah well this guy on the vid kinda bigs up Wattacur but tbh* I found her to have very little charisma too, like you said Bradly W was about the only one who did throughout.
Bradders was good but his character is still horrendously under developed. To be honest it’s impossible to develop characters properly when they insist on cramming in four members of the TARDIS team in every episode.
yeah I hate to say it but it srsly feels like he was the only one hired for his acting skills and not for the color or his skin or gender...
everyone else is a cardboard token cutout
Piro Man and the Yorkshire accents are so clearly fake hahaha
Honestly, Bradley Walsh should have been the new Doctor instead of Whittaker. Her performance and the writing are the main reasons this Doctor is such a failure. Walsh is the only decent one in this current series.
I haven't watched all the episodes yet, but I think the loss of Murray Gold and his awesome music plays a very big role in the decaying of the series. Let's face it: there have always been badly written episodes, inconsistent characters and poorly justified storylines, but the magical atmosphere conveyed mostly through the soundtrack usually brought the spectator not to focus on those flaws and to get transported by the flow of the show. Now I feel the music doesn't help anymore and thus all the flaws are easier to see and harder to forgive, and the emotional link between us and the characters results damaged. Only this is difficult t notice because it mostly affects our subconscious, so at the end of each episode we have the lingering sensation that it was bad but we automatically blame the writing, completely oblivious of the role the soundtrack played in our entertainment.
Sure...but the writing *was* bad.
This is so true, and the current music is especially bad, like it doesn't fit the tone of many of the scenes
Blackbird94 - I completely agree! I don't know if this is just me being sad but sometimes I listen to some random music from Dr Who and i can always picture whats happening and feel the emotion of the scene. I could not hum one line of the music this series, I barley noticed it.
nice essay
Riversong is beloved by many, a very strong female character, and a well done series about her would have been insanely popular. If you can’t figure out why Ghostbusters, Star Trek discovery and recent Dr who who aren’t, we can’t help you.
Precisely!
Well, River was hated with a fiery vengeance back when Moffat was still on it, and hated by the same crowd that now hates Jodie Whitacker at that.
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I wouldn't generalise people's opinions like that, because I for one hated River but love Thirteen.
Jodie's Doctor has plenty of room for improvement (mainly in that she's way too placid when dealing with baddies) but she's nowhere near as much of an absolute trainwreck as people are pretending; the same goes for S11 as a whole.
The big problem I had with River was that she was supposed to serve as a foil/romantic interest for Eleven, but the actors themselves had no chemistry; as a result, she came off to me as more of a nuisance than anything else whenever she was on the screen. However, I DID think she bounced off of Twelve very well in their one episode together, and I've heard that her popularity has been bolstered hugely by her Big Finish series.
@@Carabas72 The fuck you talking about? I could easily watch 5 seasons of a River Song series or a continuation of "Me" and Clara exploring the universe. Something with the Doctors Daughter Jenny could be pretty interesting. And I would be totally down for some romantic lesbian romp through the stars with Bill and that sentient puddle thing. That could be hella cool.
That being said, Jody is fucking awful. The humor seems dull/annoying and the serious bits seem laughable. The plotlines are shit and the companions suck dick. And again, Jody Whittaker as an actress just seems painfully fucking dull. Hell, I don't even like her work in non-scifi stuff. She's like, average at best and frankly, that's not good enough to play the Doctor.
The issue comes from writers who think feminism is just making a female character some kind of #BossBabe and leaving anything that makes them emotionally identifiable and relatable by the wayside.
That's why the women of Davies' era were so good. They weren't *~strong female characters*~, they were women who were written as people, thus giving them strong characterisation. He wasn't trying to be #feminist. He was trying to write about (and saw women as) people rather than an empty virtue-signalling marketing scheme..
“Never Cruel or cowardly” hmmmm trapping the spiders 🕷 in a small room till they die... seems to me to be both the above... 🤨
The previous Doctor would be excited to see new species and would think of a way to save it.
Matt Smith turned the human race into a weapon against the Silence. The Doctor is always a hypocrite.
you _reaaaalllllyyy_ like this new series, huh?
Nezolika// Nessie that’s kinda how fandoms be. Fans are always the most illogically critical and most illogically loyal at the same time. Always count on fans to hate something understandably bad in a poorly worded or unsatisfactory way (including being sexist instead of rationalizing reasonable criticism), or be loyal for the sake of loyalty and to defend what they like with any excuses necessary (including cries of sexism at legitimate criticism). Welcome to humanity. We hate things we love and love to hate each.
@@JurajOravecSGOrava Yes exactly!
behold the season we don't talk about!
How cheap and sad is it that they went through such great lengths to get Gallifrey back in the 50th special just to forget about it? How sad is to bring back John's Master just to ditch it?
I never thought i'd say this but........ Bring back.... moffat?
I mean, aren't those both series 10 problems and not series 11 ones? Gallifrey was brought back properly in serious 9 yet wasn't utilised in series 10 at all and John Simms master was brought back in series 10 for 2 episodes at the end of which he was stabbed and began regenerating
Both those things were executive decisions made by *moffat* in a series of the show chibnall wasn't even involved in
I think Chibnal forgot the most important and crucial thing after taking over the show: FANS! he forgot that DW fans are invested and woul scrutinize every scene and sentence, we were used to such character/event reveals in moff era. I really do blame chibnal for a very, VERU bad writing on this one. he udes to do quite remarkable episodes on this show. What happened dude?
murgul morgul I personally think the problem lies in Chipnal only having done “filler episodes” in the past. He has done one offs that aren’t crucial to the overarching plot and he’s still running the show like that. He approached the full season as a collection of stories instead of a coherent story with a overarching storyline. To much focus on different monsters and settings every episode and to little on the actual characters that are the only stable thing. I think he got overwhelmed with the actual scope of stories he was supposed to stich together and now we got this mess.
Amanda Brinkboel exactly 👍🏻👏🏻
What I think is really interesting is that despite me often disliking the episodes you liked, my criticisms of series 11 was exactly the same which highlights just how much these problems were systemic in the whole series.
It makes sense. The inconsistency you liked he didn't.
My thoughts on series 11 and 12:
Ah, you’ve redecorated,
I don’t like it.
Having a female doctor without both River Song and Jack Harkness back in the same episode with hilarious sexual tension is just a failure.
Not that this new Dr Who would ever have fun like that
Can I hit "like this comment" twice?
They can't bring River back because she finished her carachter's arc. But Jack... If there is someone I want back, it's Jack. We also need a new strong carachter. Someone important, interesting and fun that brings that weird doctor who sexual tension. Rtd had Jack, Moffat had River (and maybe Missy), now we need a new one. Come on, chibs. Give us something familiar but fresh.
@@elennacruz9697 psh, they can bring back anyone, no way have we heard every escapade of Rivers. Just like they incorporated Clara into ALL the doctors. Their arcs were "complete" too.
@@karmicpopcorn6440 Yeah but it didn't make much of a diffrence in their stories, did it? Also, s7 Clara was an unplanned mess. You can literally ignore s7 and watch her in s8. Nothing of the Impossible girl arc is mentioned ever again. River, on the other hand, was full of planning and continuity and made an amazing impact in the story. She ended beautifully, how it was planned since s4. One last night in the towers of darillium. And that's it. Her story with the doctor is over and I feel that bringing her back would be wrong and ruin that arc. BUT... I would totaly watch a spin off about what she does when the doctor isn't around, and she could meet captain Jack and it would be hilarious. Also she could maybe meet Clara and convince her to stay dead. Or maybe not, no one likes Clara anyway. Whatever.
@@elennacruz9697 I like your idea, she and Jack would get in so much trouble 😂
Another thing that was set up but never went anywhere ... Ryan's dyspraxia. In episode 1 he has trouble doing basic coordination.
In episode 2, he's running across uneven ground leaping hither and thither, shooting killer robots ... erm ... what?
It's almost as his dyspraxia was shoved in there to score progressive brownie points.
Beggar42 personally I thought you could still see he was dyspraxic through the season. He tripped over when running away from the robots and I don’t remember specific other events, but I didn’t feel that his dyspraxia when away, but that’s just my opinion.
Beggar42
I wondered about that every episode: Will it be a plot point THIS time?
honestly it was too played up at the start. If he was just overly clumsy at the start and we learned the reason latter it would have felt more rewarding than having it maxed out to 100% in episode one then toned down for the rest of the series.
as someone with dyspraxia i agree with what you've said, im lucky if i go a day without tripping qhile walking let alone running
I'm dyspraxic myself, and I found it so patronising. It became a joke in my house to shout 'dyspraxia!' whenever he did anything odd or goofy. When you've got something that at times is just some minor coordination issues or awkwardness, but is presented to you like you're supposedly a tiny child in an adults body, it's really grating. Then the writers seem to want praise for this in articles and reports, when they might as well just be using the lazy autism stereotypes from every bad movie and TV show for how much effort they put in
I actually forgot Jaz was a policewoman
Fryho so true
Fryho - you even forgot her name, that’s how irrelevant she was 😂
You even forgot she was called Yaz
Wait, there was a character like that?
-It’s not “because of the Doctor is a woman”
-It’s not “because of Yaz is a woman and has Pakistani descent”
-It’s not “because of Ryan has African descent”
-It’s not “because of Graham is older”
-It’s not “because of Ruth is a woman and has African descent”
NO. It’s never “because of sex, gender and race”.
Chibnall’s era is suck because of HIS WRITING. Before Chibnall became the showrunner, his episodes was never good.
Whovians are smarter than being sexists or racists. We defend the 50+ years of great team work and great plotlines. It wasn’t perfect, but still respect the main plot.
That’s why series 11 & 12 are suck, they don’t have anything to be compared with the First Doctor until the Twelfth Doctor.
I think the other crucial problem with Whittaker's Doctor is that she had no character development at all throughout Series 11. Capaldi's Doctor went through changes in each of his seasons as he encountered old enemies and lost companions, having real development throughout. However, Whittaker hasn't changed at all from the beginning of the series (The Woman Who Fell To Earth) to the end (Resolution), still essentially acting exactly the same each week with no development whatsoever.
Not every character needs character development but Thirteen could have benefitted from it. The series finale could have had Thirteen realisation that her actions lead to Tim Shaw surviving and could have challenged her in to rethinking her morals. The thought hardly crossed her mind.
There's no real conflict for 13 y'know, unlike 10 in Doomsday, Journey's End, The End of Time, and 12 in The Doctor Falls
That's because not a single character besides Graham made an actual growth. And Graham's growth only happened near the end. I'm of the belief the "middle" episodes were written as stand-alone episodes in a random order. There's zero character growth in them. None. And Firman brings up a good point as well; there's no conflict. Conflict is the best way to learn about characters and to see them grow, we had none of that.
1. They had a year to give 13th her own personality and development
2. Chibs told Jodie not to watch her predecessors hence some aspects that make The Doctor are missing i.e charisma, gravitas and a sense of vanity which is part of the character. Also she doesn't strike me as a 2000 year old alien. I don't sense the age. She's one dimensional.
3. Jodie is good in other roles but I don't think she's comfortable with the part.
@E C I agree. Chibnall has talked about bringing on making the show new and fresh, including this Doctor. The childlike-enthusiasm, manic energy and bubliness were already done so well by Ten and Eleven. There is little she adds as her own incarnation of the Doctor in terms of distinctive traits that define her Doctor.
Her interactions with her companions are not that memorable or engaging. It’s just mainly consists of calling them ‘fam’, answering their questions, encouraging them at times and gaining reassurance from them. That is really is. There is little spark in their relationship. I’m not convinced of their conviction in travelling with the Doctor. Only Graham’s is the most believable. Yaz wanted to escape from her family but unlike Martha, who in her first episode we saw the constant bickering and dynamics of her family, we don’t see much of Yaz’s family driving her mad. It is told through the script, but not shown on screen.
Thirteen indeed has had little to challenge her. She has not been put in a desperate situation where her wit and intellect is challenged. She has not been challenged by her companions very much and perhaps because of that, I don’t really see significant growth in their bonds. They are all fairly compliant with her. Meanwhile Rose disagreed with Nine in many ways (the Earth dying and human mortality in ‘End of the World’, disagreeing with recycling bodies for the Gwelf in ‘The Unquiet Dead’, calling his ruthlessness out in ‘Dalek’, major argument in ‘Father’s Day and the Doctor sending her home in ‘The Parting of the Ways’. Amy’s faith in her childhood hero is tested a lot and in her second episode she makes a decision for him without his knowledge that almost kicks her out of travelling with him. Martha and Ten’s relationship had a bit of tension, due to the former feeling like she is being played second fiddle to Rose. Donna called out Ten’s actions all the time. Eleven was suspicious of Clara, Canada confronting him about being a ‘ghost’ and wanting to treated like her own individual. Twelve and Clara- lots of tension there. Bill was discomforted with Twelve’s detachment to death and the possibly he may have killed. All these companions had dynamic relationships that had grown through challenging one another. With 4 different perspectives in TEAMTardis, I would have expected more butting heads due to 4 vastly different perspectives.There are also not enough moments in challenging her morality- which the audience pick up way more than the companions.
"Heres hoping that Jodie Whittaker will get a series that is worthy of her Doctor"
You know... that was a really nice way to end this video.
A hopeful statement that the series will dive deeper. Because it has everything it needs to be great, it just needs to push its boundries.
It just need to *subvert the expectations of the viewers* a little more...
@@Fridaey13txhOktober oh they're low now that's for sure - a crappy actor doing the doc and putrid plot lines and dialogue - jodie and chibs need to bugger off and either let it die or bring someone in who can resuscitate this, because at this moment it's barely breathing
She doesn't feel like past doctors, bud. She feels like someone doing impressions.
And I think her character was set up to have conflicted feelings about revenge/retribution/killing, but the writers didn't know how to incorporate that so they just shrugged their shoulders and shat on the page.
Edit: to back up my point on her character struggle and the series theme- she gets Mad over Shaw getting pushed, she doesn't want to see Kerblam boy get killed despite his misdeeds, time traveling racist doesn't get killed but sent back in time, spiders not killed just imprisoned, etc.
She should have grappled with these "deaths" in the last 2 episodes. She's a killer who doesn't kill. She doesn't kill, but let's them die or let's them be tortured. Is she any better for this? They never really capitalize on the theme.
she was horrifically miss cast is why
"but the writers didn't know how"
....it's almost as if some of those writers were hired for reasons _other_ than suitability and/or merit....
Hmm. ;)
@@makara80 true, and they balled up the show no end now.
@@pastorbri ???? you cant act scenes that were never written
@@only_sleeping7276 it would help if she could act in a charicter that was written for her. This was not.
I thought Jodie was trying too hard to be "likeable" and "quirky" like all the other doctors
Donna K I'm sure her acting adds to the quirkiness but when it comes down to it, it's how the script was written and directed
@@marssnottheplanet Yeah, she's not a bad actor, but the writers could really have done a lot better than they did..
Donna K the writing***
maria, ive seen jodie in attack the block and broadchurch and shes acts the same character!! not a good actress in my view
bruce wayne ye completely agree not trying to be harsh but she seemed like she had autism. I remember her saying “oh am I being weird again sorry lol” it was the writers and her. I just don’t think a woman works as the doctor not sexist just my opinion.
They've killed it. It was on the way out with Capaldi, this finished it. No lonely god, no repressed rage, no iconic Easter eggs. No one even said "It's bigger on the inside". (For fuxake)
I love the repressed rage and the Easter eggs and of course the doctor concerning themselves as a lonely god pretty much and I also only like it when there’s one companion I hate the multiple companions
I personally liked the disappointment on her face when she realized her companions didn't say it.
Also, throughout the season I was hoping that her companions were going to die since they were really low quality characters and didn't really add up to the story in a special way like Clara did.
I thought Capaldi was actually great in the end. When the season first started with him, i didn't like him at all at first, but some great writing, and the emotions he provided really moved me during some episodes and in the end, i loved him as the Doctor. With Jodie though and the writing from the staff. It seemed that the show was trying to shove every day issues down our throats. For many, they tune into TV to forget about the day and the worries of the world, and to get lost in a fantasy world. I watched the first few episodes. Jodie never seemed to get either portray the role as her own, or was not written in a clear way and instead kept borrowing from the personalities of other Doctors.
Each Dr needs their own thing. Desperate character - Tennant definitely was the high point.
She seemed she was Just copying other Drs especially Matt Smith.
I think they focused too much on her being a woman, rather than being an individual DR. They should have just stuck to it, it's not like the show is good of women and Rose, Martha, Donna, even Clara are strong women, not just 'companions. I think they stuffed it, I couldn't even watch all the season and I LOVE the Dr. Sad.
Clara was a way better doctor than jodies character
Eww if she copied Matt Smith, I'm definitely not watching it. Matt Smith was the worst doctor, he only got the job after banging the actress that played rose.
@@67Shadowreaper why would a side actor have the power to get him the position of the main character and that doesn't explain why they kept him on for like 4 or 5 seasons
@@kodaxmax because back then she was extremely popular and well liked, because she was the first assistant - therefore had a lot of power. She was so valuable, they made her appear multiple times throughout the series, long after her supposed end and got the doctor to have a relationship with her too. That's why.
@@67Shadowreaper shes hardly the only returning character
I really love seeing the doctor shift and change emotionally and personally. Like with the 9th doctor, in the beginning he was kind of just a silly person who wasn't really attached to any human in particular, not even Rose, but did of course still want to save them when possible. But later on in the season he almost kills Rose with the Dalek and you see his attatchment to her drastically shift from someone who just sees her as a fun companion to travel with to someone who feels more for her. And when we see him with the Dalek in the cage we see his rage and hatred emerge. Even 10 turns from a fun loving and silly character to a man with a hard edge and almost a depressed man. The doctor losing one of the most important people to him really changed him almost immediately. It resonated with me and people like me who have lost people and have changed because of that. For the first time in the reboot we see the doctor loose one of his companions, but it wasn't just that, Rose was someone he fell in love with. The 11th doctor was someone I had to learn to love actually. Seeing him go from such a deep and impactful character to a doctor who dipped fish sticks in custard and was just completely silly all around was so hard for me. But over time you see him become more than that. He becomes more serious and when he loses Amy Pond he is beyond disappointed and alone. It was almost as if he didn't care about anybody else just in case he would grow attached again and then have to see them die or leave yet again. The doctor was tired and alone. But then he became silly again, but this time with a new edge to him that really helped define his character after he began traveling with Clara again. And finally the 12th doctor. He has changed the most I would say. He was the most hard doctor, the doctor who was impacted by his actions more than the others, the doctor that remembered what he did in the time war most of all. He did his best to be kind and still was always haunted by his memories. But he realised that love will always win over fear and that trying to be a good person is what really matters. I can't even break down all of the 12th doctor's personality because there is just so much. But that's what made seeing the doctor change from one person to another so fascinating; you get to see a new person each time and how the story impacts their views on the world. The 13th doctor is really just one kind of person, one kind of personality. The thing about being a very old and very complex person like the doctor is you would have more than just one way of viewing the world. I don't mind the doctor being silly at all, in fact I enjoy it, but when that's all they are then I feel like I'm watching a kids show or something. The doctor has been alive thousands of years, long enough to abandon the silliness every once in awhile. Even when she seems to try and be serious or have a hard edge to her, it comes off as unsuccessful. Who knows, maybe she'll change into a more complex character as the series goes on. But so far, frankly I'm just kinda bored.
Sam The Lion - that took a while to read, but well said 😂
For me I never knew why I enjoyed the Doctor so much until I realized what was missing from Jodie; Every Doctor has the absolute ability to steal a scene, even if it’s not focused on them. The Doctor is always the most interesting character in any scene, and it’s always so fun to see. Jodie’s acting and/or characterization fell flat for me. In every seen, minus her conversation with King James in witchfinders, I was hardly paying attention to her performance. Every other character, no matter how minor or badly written was more interesting to watch than the Doctor, and that’s a bad thing. The Doctor should steal every, or most scenes they are in with great acting and good characterization, both of which Jodie and her Doctor sincerely lacked.
(P.S. spare the spoilers for series 12 please c:)
MagicStealth, that is exactly right. Exactly! As written and performed in these Chibnal stories, the Doctor is. not. interesting. Or witty. Or insightful. Or passionate on any level below about a quarter inch of depth. A lot of this has to do, IMO, with the deliberate jettisoning of every connection to the earlier Doctors. She's a blank slate, and so far nothing arresting has been written there. One lives in hope, however.
yes exactly. I feel Graham is smarter than the Doc in his own way and is more loveable and memorable.
Weirdest episode of the chase ever
This is why you don't go for the minus offer, you're then forced to watch series 11 😂
When you change up a character, especially in such a way that can be associated to social and political crap, you HAVE to make sure that character is a crowd pleaser.
Unfortunately, the writers decided to coast along the idea of a female Doctor instead of making a *good* female Doctor.
George Cowsert You are absolutely right. The problem wasn’t that the Doctor was female, it was that some people didn’t like that the Doctor was female. And that they focused too much on that fact.
Avery Brooks (of "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine") explained the problem of playing a type instead of a character. He's black, and he could play a variety of characters who happen to be black. But how do you play "black"? What constitutes blackness, and what happens when that attribute defines the character, rather than any other attributes that show depth and uniqueness?
@@wdd3141 , that was a fantastic interview he did.
The thing is if you gonna have a woman as the Doctor for goodness sake make her a least a badass, or something a person could count on, not a I hate to say it a blonde cliche. Admitted the Doctor has always had a gob, But it had a purpose, this one just babbles and all it is is noise, annoying noise.
It would have been better to create another show with a female Time Lord than hijack Doctor Who. I'd suggest a Romana series.
How about we put the tardis in the actual show
The Third Docor: Hold my Tea.....
This is probably the best analysis I've seen for season 11. Almost every other video on YT either praises it to the extent where it feels forced or has a narrator foaming at the mouth and ripping it to shreds for no particular reason.
love how thorough this is; you covered everything I had a problem with series 11. I have to add though, 13 doesn't really actively push the plot forward - things just happen to her and her companions and she responds to these threats so the episodes dont feel really engaging at all
I didnt really leave with a feeling that I don't know who the Doctor is now. I left with the feeling that I dont like who the Doctor is now. Her personality IS as you described, a combination of character traits present in previous doctors. But it also includes qualities I avoid in real life. I avoid rude people who don't know boundaries in real life.
And before someone says it, yes I'm aware that previous doctors have also behaved in rude ways, some more than others. But with those doctors I always felt those character traits were meant to make them more interesting and, maybe, appear more alien. The companions were often used to correct that rude behavior, thus presenting an experience where we got to watch the relationship between alien and human as they affect each other and change each other.
This doctor apparently already knows how to behave "properly" and very much enjoys teaching other humans how they might be better, if only they would open their minds to her brilliant insights. This is not the reason I watch Doctor Who.
Let’s say you’re on the floor dying no way to save you and there’s a gun and a person standing grabs it and....
Regular Person:They shoot u out of mercy so you don’t die in pain for long moments
13th Doctor: throws gun away and locks door and leaves you there saying this is merciful and good because killing with gun is bad no matter the context according to her.
Claims robots are sapient and she's had some best friend robots, then blows up thousands of them without conscience.
While simultaneously made you rot in said room with no friends or someone to talk to. Isolation.
@@lightningspirit5695 and attaching you to a life support system so you don't just die of starvation .... You'll be stuck on the brink of death alone and unable to die for the rest of your foreseeable lifespan.
The Oncoming Storm asked an alien threat to "please leave." I don't need any another reason to think that this season was bad.
Literally any other Doctor, even the relatively meek Peter Davison, would have stood up to the alien without grovelling. Peter Capaldi, John Hurt, Jon Pertwee, Colin Baker, Christopher Ecclestone and Sylvester McCoy would have gotten into a straight up brawl with it if they had to.
I would argue that Clara did a better Doctor than the 13th did.
Umm she DID
when are you referring?
@@christophercrafte season 8 episode 9, Flatline. Doctor was trapped in a shrunken TARDIS and had to direct Clara via earpiece, so she kind of took over as the Doctor for that episode, at least in his investigative capacity. He also forced her into his role but straight up leaving in episode 7 of the same season, Kill the Moon. She hated him for that.
@@mycroft16 I remember this now and I totally agree.
Just a thought what would you think of donna becoming a doctor after she gained all the doctors mind
@@christophercrafte I like how they handled it. She's human... her body and mind couldn't handle having the Time Vortex poured into her.
Finally, a criticique of season 11 that doesn't involve the words, "Doctor Who is finally over. The idea has failed. There is no coming back from this." as though this season was cancellation worthy rather than just disappointing.
Exactly! I'm fine with people feeling it was disappointing or underwhelming. The door and gloom (or worse, much worse) that some channels are spouting is just so over the top.
Fearmongering and hyperbole for clicks and contemporary social media culture making the outlandish claims blow up faster than calmer and more rational voices.
"It's finally done. DW is now PC propaganda for the SWJ agenda and the KFJTJRI groups" (whatever that's supposed to be).
Jokes aside, it's really refreshing to see someone do an actual critique of series 11, seeing it's flaws - but also its perks and goods; rather than a blind destructive rant.
@@dojokonojo it isn't fearmongering, it's clickbaits for all the fans who agree with them and them expressing their opinion in the title, video or thumbnail
I don't think it could ever be cancellation worthy but if it could be then this season was most definitely cancellation worthy.
The writing was awful and there was never a moment for me of "that's The Doctor" like there was with all the other modern Doctors. Nine was "my Doctor". The one I saw first. He was the Doctor from the get go, he was the first Doctor I saw and I accepted the character straight away (and got into the classic series later). Ten was when he fought the sycorax in his borrowed pyjamas despite my doubts up to that point. Donna was when she was the DoctorDonna and popped up from behind that console spouting technobabble at 1,000 miles per hour while beating the Daleks. Eleven was when he called the Atraxi back and threatened them. Twelve was in his episode when they were in the Dalek and it was grim but yeah. (Capaldi got a lot of crap writing but still managed to pull the role off because it wasn't as awful as this last series' writing.) Thirteen never had one of those moments. Sh never had a character of her own either as you said. Chibnall sucks and I'm out until we get a new showrunner and good writers. If Whittaker is still around maybe she'll be the Doctor then. I was rooting for her I wanted her to be the Doctor but she just wasn't and I think that's definitely the writing's fault because she is a good actress. I don't think any of the others could have been the Doctor either if they'd started with this drivel. can we have RTD back now? Please! It all started going down hill after he left.
good news rtd is back
@@Andre-uu8qp I know. :D
There's No classical music now, now imagine the weeping angels without the creepy violins :|
As someone who's always wanted to see a female Doctor, I can say that in my personal opinion, this was nothing more than a pandering mess that cared more about #Feminism than any sort of story telling or internal consistency.
Just like every other modern show or movie with a Female lead, the writers/directors/whoever thinks they can just leave it at that and not worry about the story, the characters, et cetera, which is why all of them (The new Ghostbusters movie, the new StarWars movies, Captain Marvel, just to name a few) turn out so badly and long term fans hate them. And then makers shout "SEXIST!" at everyone who doesn't like it while ignoring any and all actual criticism and acting like they invented the concept of a woman in a leading role despite the fact that there are dozens of examples of female protagonists in TV, film, videogames, et cetera, WITH ACTUAL COMPETENT STORY TELLING AND CHARACTERS THAT DON'T FEEL LIKE CARDBOARD CUT-OUTS RANGING DECADES INTO THE PAST.
That aside, pretty decent review. Solid 8 out of 10. Would watch again. (Your review, not the show.)
thank you!
Brilliantly stated. Completely agree.
"The StarWars movies are mostly showing up weaknesses in the directors as much as anything else."
Apparent 'weak direction' is the very _least_ of Disney Star Wars' plethora of divergent problems!
And yet again, as with 'Who, Star Trek, Ghostbusters, etc, etc, etc noxious far left politics is proving a persistent and predominant impediment to compelling storytelling, plausible characterisation, mainstream appeal and thus ultimately, commercial viability.
Folk demonstrably want good ol' innocuous escapist entertainment, not a vapid lecture.
"As someone who's always wanted to see a female Doctor, I can say that in my personal opinion, this was nothing more than a pandering mess that cared more about #Feminism than any sort of story telling or internal consistency."
Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course yet you almost seem _surprised_ that it turned out this way?!
One didn't need to be of a particularly cynical disposition though, or else boast Nostradamus-esque powers of perception to portend _exactly_ what would transpire with a female Doctor. Especially in this day and age with it's ever-dubious priorities...
Hell, even _Sydney Newman_ foresaw the pitfalls of gender-flipping the Doctor way back in the 80's. :)
makara80 Deep down we knew what would happen... some of us just had hope.
Did anyone feel like this series would have been helped by two-parters? I think ‘The Witchfinders’ would’ve benefited from that.
Morgan Richards I thought the same, maybe if he cuts down the companions he may be it will become more interesting.
I actually enjoyed that all the episodes were one-of's, I felt the finale have potential to lead towards an over-arching story next season.
It takes you ways was two parter material. A whole universe collapsing as the stakes wouldve been amazing.
I agree. hard to take it sincerely if so scaled down.
I've been re-watching the Christopher Eccleston and David Tennant episodes lately... man the show used to be so good ! I wish we could get this new series a complete overall it's kind of sad to think about how misguided and lifeless it is now
This whole season just felt like a wet blanket. Not Goofy and fun. Not dramatic and serious. Just a dull slog.
We are doing the same, every episode I turn to my partner and say "this is what Doctor Who used to be". It's shocking how much they totally fracked it up.
This is probably the only video I've seen on series 11's flaws that didn't default to 'oh they pandered too much' or 'she's just not a good Doctor, bad casting choices' but actually looked at it fairly and even ended on a hopeful note that it could improve. Thanks for that.
You still can’t deny that they pandered a bunch.
@@superduck6456 There definitely were scenes that read a bit too on the nose. Doctor Who has always been a progressive show, so I don't mind if they have messages to get across, but it wasn't done very elegantly. Similar to how Bill kinda randomly reminded us that she liked girls, from time to time -- some of it was done well, and some felt unnatural. Hopefully the writing next season is better!
Some videos are based on hate and we definitely don't need that
I have faith in doctor who. It will get better. Although I would like a few old monsters to return. I *loved* the weeping angels
lio marvel we have a video on them coming up... :D
I pray to the all mighty ood hive mind that if the weeping angels come back they won't get a new ability. I mean they are like Pokémon at this point get a new attack but you have to forget one first.
lio marvel personally Weeping Angels are the LAST monster I want to ever come back. I legitimately think there isn’t a single thing you can do with them anymore that’s not a retread or diminishes them as a threat.
*Maybe* have them be the external threat in a story that’s ABOUT other things, but that’s it.
@@ThePonderer yep, if Blink was Alien and the Season 5 2-parter was Aliens then I think there isn't much that you can do with them anymore. They're perfect in those (not counting angels take manhattan cause I don't think it's great the way it handles the angels specifically). I'd prefer some other classic monsters, like the krynoids, or a look back at the gothic era of the show.
I want to see what happens if you throw a blanket, or a bucket of paint over the Weeping Angels. Then technically we won't see them move, but we will be able to see their shape move.
it's like bad fan fiction made canon.
I like that assessment, Justin!
No, that was the Moffat Reign of Error.
LordZontar we don’t talk about hell bent
@@LordZontar Why not both? Later Moffat that is. Series 5 is still my favourite series.
@@LordZontar so there is precedent.
I think Chibnall thought that making the doctor female gave her an identity already and so he felt like he didn't need to give her any further distinctive traits (other than her genitalia).
Yep, that's what happens when you put "diversity" before story and character
@@YaarrrI agree, I think that's why people have an issue with the show having an 'agenda'. The agenda comes first and story second. It is okay for stories to have messages but when a whole series is written with one message in mind (before the stories were written) you get very weak narratives with a very weak arc.
Yeah, the minute they announced it I was afraid that would happen. They would assume that making the Doctor female was good enough and just phone the rest in and boy did they ever. If there is actually a level below phoning it in they are likely to have found that one too.
@@Yaarrr What's worse is they hired actors and writers to fill quotas and not based on skill or experience. They have writers who have never written anything but politically themed stage plays and others who have only written soap opera and dramas. Not one of them has hard sci-fi experience or seems to understand how to write sci-fi. Oh, and most of the acting is so horrible.
It also seems like someone told Whitaker to just act like Tennet and Smith and she would be fine because they were popular. Thing is, copying Tennet's facial expressions is not acting and on her face they make her look like a moron.
@@LibraGamesUnlimited The previous series was a warning of things to come - there was a massive increase in the number of elements which were simply crowbarred in to serve an agenda rather than the story.
I think the biggest departure from previous series was the relationship of the doctor to her friends (companions). The companions have been more independent characters and there was often a good deal of tension between a companion and his/her Doctor Who. This tension allowed the characters personalities to show through. Jodi Whitaker's friends were merely lap dogs. There's more to companionship than loyalty and obedience.
Too many companions. Three is a crowd, taking too much screen time from the Doc. Needs an Amy - Rory dynamic.
Yes, get rid of Yazzzzzzzzz. 😴
You be got three eras of Doctor Who. The Classic Era, the New Who and... fanfiction. It's just fanfiction.
at best!
To be fair, the last four or five years of Classic Who was as well.
@@theradgegadgie6352 can't say I've watched much. I watched a lot of Tom Baker as a kid, but not a heck of a lot of the others until I got into it again as a teenager, when I found Eccleston, just after Tennant started.
So I wouldn't know, unfortunately, and it's hard to get your hands on the classic era these days, so i guess I'll never know...
I'll take your word for it.
BBC just released Classic era whole seasons on Blur Ray. They started with Bakers first season and now they are on Davidson's first season! You can get it on amazon. The BBC said this is the current format on how they are going to rerelease the classic episodes...
@@0PsychosisMedia0 damn, I gotta get my hands on that!
Series 1: BAD WOLF!
Series 2: TORCHWOOD!
Series 3: HAROLD SAXON!
Series 4: DOCTOR-DONNA!
Series 5: SILENCE WILL FALL!
Series 6: DEATH OF THE DOCTOR!
Series 7: IMPOSSIBLE GIRL!
Series 8: THE PROMISED LAND!
Series 9: THE WOMAN WHO LIVED!
Series 10: MONKS! (I suppose)
Series 11: Err...some teethy guy wants to kill some humans because he can...
*Series 10: THE VAULT!
The Dodo Yep that would make a lot more sense
Series 12: whoops, just accidentally ruined doctor who forever, umm here’s the master as well.....
You forgot about the Holiday specials from 2008-2010
Series 4.5 (Specials from 2008-2010): The prophecy of the doctor
What's worst is that I actually really like Thirteen in the Woman Who Fell. She felt like the perfect continuation for the Doctor's overarching arc of redemption after the Last Time War. Nine was traumatized, Ten was filled with guilt, Eleven was trying to forget, Twelve was taking his responsabilities and now Thirteen was healing, taking a brighter, more optimistic outlook to her own life. I was pumped for that lighter version of the Doctor, but it feels that they didn't trust their own idea and quickly, it seemed that Thirteen was just as somber as the others before her and she never really developed her own unique twist on the character. She was the Doctor, for sure, but she failed to be her own Doctor.
Diaster series. I'm going to just pretend she doesn't exist in this role and that Capaldi was the last doctor.
Is tha Irony? Because Season 9-10 were the Worst in Ratings in New Who
So it could end on a shit note?
Capaldi was brilliant... despite poor ratings. Jodie was boring despite good ratings. Ratings mean zilch.
@@dwilborn1257 I don't think the problem is Jodie. I think it's the writing. Say what you want about Moffat, but Tennant and Smith's runs had a lot of good stories. Loved the Clara and River stories, especially the latter. And the angels... what an awesome baddy.
Anyway, my point is if the writing was good, she wouldn't be the problem. Her character was all over the place.
I think her TARDIS is actually a pretty good symbol. Could be cool if done right but instead it's just a clusterfuk of could be cool things mashed into one incoherent ball.
@@cctomcat321 she's also part of the problem, it doesnt feels like she's acting. It feels like watching her rehashing her scripts instead of watching her acting as the doctor
series 11 somehow doesn't contain the thrill which came from series 1 to 10.
it's tedious to watch.
But it had Better Ratins than season 9-10. Things have to Change or they died
@@DasKame English?
@@gabbeskillz6262 uff.... Season 9-10= Shitty Ratings, Season 11= BETTER RATINGS
@@DasKame but horrible user scores
@@DasKame The ratings may have started good but week in week out got worse, ending with the worse rated Christmas special (sorry "seasonal special", we all know the BBC is anti-Christian). Plus ratings have bugger all to do with the actual quality of the show.
I think it would be really interesting to see the doctor talk to someone from her past. The show seems like it's in a slightly different universe to all of the other doctors and it doesn't feel like she's the same person, just in someone else's body, it feels like she's a different person all together. Maybe it would seem a bit more connected if you could see the doctor interacting with River Song or someone like that.
thats coz she isn't the same charicter
Maybe the idiot producer will smart up and write in that she was the Rani the whole time. now that I could then start watching again!
@@0PsychosisMedia0 OH IF ONLY.......
How dare you use Donna nobles sacred name when referring to this slop.
Donna Noble has left the Library. Donna Noble has been saved.
It's ok, she couldn't remember to tell us herself.
How dare you forgot to put a capital letter on a such Noble familly name?!
@@AxelQC Ah! Avec un petit QC j'suis sur de la provenance ;)
Ça n’a rien à voir avec la conversation, mais est-ce que je viens de trouver deux autres québécois?? O.o
What went wrong was the writing.
If you look at the new writers Chibnal brought in they have, for the most part, two things they share.
1. A lack of previous experience writing for television.
2. They had never written Doctor Who before.
Another thing they all either share or are noted for-
1. writing young adult fiction.
2. playwrights known for using social issues as their subject matter. And some of them are both.
So it is perhaps not surprising that the result was a series which put the social issues front and centre, showed a lack of experience in how to structure television and narrative over a series and in the concept of show don't tell, and did not have a handle or direction for how to write the Doctor other than generic surface quirky Doctor. And on top of all that is what is clearly a deliberate choice to move the Doctor to a secondary role in narratives, more akin to the 1st Doctor as a facilitator of adventures and moral guide for the companions (compare Clara about to shoot Missy and 12 takes her place to save her the burden of a killing on her soul to 13 merely making Grahame know where she stands if he does kill toothface- 12 acts taking responsibility for Clara, 13 gives a moral direction but does nothing). And this is because the story is no longer about the Doctor, its about adventures with the Doctor. The narrative itself is now all about the social issue of the week.
This choice to have an issue of the week in place of a monster of the week is another deliberate change, one which explains why the villains are either not villains, or very poor ones when they are. The monster and the characters reactions to it are not what is being explored, but rather whatever that weeks social issue is. To such an extent that you can take an episode like Demons, remove not only the aliens from the plot, but the Doctor and companions too, and the story would remain the same. The issue takes such importance that the main cast and the alien are surplus to narrative requirements. Conversely if you leave everything else and take out the social issue you'd have nothing left. Its all there is. Compare that to Empress of Mars, which also has a social issue underpinning it- Brexit- which is why at the end its linked to the classic Who Peladon episodes, which are widely known to have been about the UK entry in to the European Common Market, the two stories bookend the UK's time in the EU. But you can not only watch the episode fine (or the Peladon ones) and not know that, you could take the few more directing references out and still be left with an entertaining sci-fi romp. You can't do that with much of series 11 because the social issue is the main story. Its not under the surface, not allegorical, not metaphorical, its just front and centre in your face the main thing. If you take it out there is no story left so weak are the sci-fi premises and characters the issues are hung upon.
The manner in which they have tried to achieve moving the Doctor down a few pegs of importance to the stories has spectacularly backfired however as it makes 13 seem slower, less smart, less observant (Woman Who Fell, Kerblaam, Witchfinders, Resolution), less confident, lacking the Doctors characteristic arrogance, with less bravado, less confrontation and less -or no- glimpses to a darker dangerous aspect of the character (every single episode) and more needy than her male predecessors requiring confirmation from those around her for her actions (Arachnids, Kerblaam, Resolution) and with no clear moral compass or direction throughout the entire series.
None of which there is any good reason for save the only way they could think of to make the Doctor not be front and centre was apparently to make her dumber.
When you combine that with giving her no real conflict, either internal or external and a bunch of yes men for companions and no adversaries worth the name you have the unfocused, morally dubious social issue focused mess that is series 11 and the 13th Doctor. Its a travesty above all else that the 1st female Doctor should be written this way.
I wish I had the time to do justice to this comment with a proper reply (I've already written an essay in these comments) but I will at least give you the TL;DR version:
The issues-oriented storytelling is severely undermining the quality of the show. At least half of the episodes in season 11 are ones where humans are the real monsters, and/or framed as some kind of morality tale.
The reason they do this is probably due to some requirement of upholding social justice, whether set by themselves or by the BBC.
It a lot of the time, the show even fails to follow its own lead on social justice. The fact the women in the main cast are so devoid of character development, the queerbaiting between the Doctor and Yaz (£10 says they will never kiss on-screen), and the suspicious number of redshirts who happen to be gay are all clear symptoms of this.
And rather than create a new show with a focus on social justice (it could have even been a Doctor Who spinoff - I'd have been far more lenient), they've repurposed the show proper, in the hopes that its audience would follow suit.
It will come back to bite them in the arse. Even social justice activists will abandon the show if it doesn't continually raise the bar.
Excellent analysis.
Yes exactly. He is a terrible writer-he lacks wit, humor, irony...there were no allusions...the writing was just terrible. I miss Moffatt so much.
Not to mention it makes it really dated.
You can look back at old episodes, and ignore restraints of the time, such as costumes, special effects, and so on, and they feel timeless. You can watch them comfortably, because they aren't rooted in a specific time.
Ryan and Yaz going on about being more likely to be pulled over than white mates makes it a very dated 2010's series. When I watched it, I swear he was quoting a video I'd seen about it on YT. Word for word.
In a couple of decades where this isn't a thing, people won't be able to watch it and relate. It will be set in time, which is a shame that it comes after the New Who series' which you can watch nearly 2 decades later with no problem.
fine summary.
The noble failure was that there was no Donna Noble
I mean it's a missed opportunity that Jack isn't there.
I was about to make that joke as well! XD
Casual's Breakfast Watching jack flirt with the doctor would’ve given us all life
I want to give you a like but I have an immature sense of humour and I like that you are on 69 likes.
I think it would've been hilarious if, when Capaldi regenerated, he took Donna's form. They could sell that idea through the meta-crisis or whatever that created DoctorDonna or something. I'm not totally opposed to a female Doctor (other than this has never been a thing until the new series and I will never buy that cross-gender regeneration has always been a thing, we just never saw it before), I just don't think this one is any good.
This video honestly sums of my own opinion better than even I could've which is really quite irritating. Good work!!
haha glad to be of service, we've got plenty more who coming up!
The writing of the Doctor being quirky just by being female is ironically for the showrunners the most misogynistic thing about the series.
What stands out to me about 13's character is that she always makes an effort to be polite and kind in how she speaks to people, and is bluntly honest, yet gentle in a way that previous Doctors wouldn't be. She's always adding "please" and "sorry" and being genuinely friendly with everyone. Even when she resents someone, she'll say something like "I haven't warmed to him" or tell them plainly to their face exactly what they've done to offend her. I see this as her honouring 12's last words, which were directed at her. The angry old man who hated everybody wanted to be kinder. 13's personality is the natural result of that.
Hiccup Hufflepuff that's a really lovely and astute observation, I like that. She is polite. I feel like that actually links really well to what I saw emerged as one of her defining traits: she is quick to righteous anger, particularly against exploitative people or unkind individuals, but without really shouting. I felt the Smith-like goofiness she was sometimes given sounded like she was speaking another character's lines. But she was great at calling out the actions of others. Not in an intense Capaldi way or a gallant Tennant way, but in a strident, firm manner. She's very polite until you cross somebody. Then she gets mad.
Also yay Hufflepuff! #PuffPride #BadgersUnite
Do love this, hope they lean more into this aspect
sfdebris often says the next Doctor is a reaction to the last one and I agree. Your assessment is spot on. That said, I do think she needs a little more... something. I'm not sure what. But I'm only 6 episodes in so far, still 5 stories to see.
My thoughts, too, and i love kind doctors!
Sorting Hat: You lead, but you’re scared too. For yourself and for others.
The Doctor: Yeah, well. Who isn’t.
Sorting Hat: Afraid of your own newness. I see deeper, though. Further back. The Timeless Child.
The Doctor: What did you just say?
Sorting Hat: You don't know.
The Doctor: What are you talking about? What can you see?
Sorting Hat: I see what’s hidden, even from yourself. The outcast, abandoned and unknown.
The Doctor: Get out of my head!
Sorting Hat: But even so it is that fear that you are harbouring that leads you towards your fierce desire to protect. It is that fear that drives you to be kind 'without hope, without witness, without reward'. It is that fear that allows you to be optimistic and encouraging. To nurture. To be a Doctor and make people better.
Sorting Hat: HUFFLEPUFF!
What really pisses me off is that all the potential for a brilliant TARDIS team was here, Chibnall just introduced them all too quickly. They should’ve joined the TARDIS one by one (with Graham being the only ‘full-time’ companion) with maybe a full team being established by Resolution, once we’d got to know Ryan, Yaz and Graham one by one. There were even eps where it would’ve been natural as Ryan/Yaz’s first adventure (Rosa and Demons of the Punjab come to mind).
Jodie Whittaker is a brilliant actress who’s been given frankly abysmal stuff to work with. A female doctor won’t be tried again for another few reincarnations because of Chibnall’s shitty writing and character building and I don’t think I can ever forgive him for that.
You have a valid point there. All the previous TARDIS teams in NewWho have been introduced gradually. We had Rose for 8 episodes because we were introduced to Captain Jack. By the time Mickey joined, we already had a lot of screen time with him. We had 5 episodes with Amy before Rory joined in. Nardole didn't need as much as character development, so it was fine for Bill to have more screen time. Much of the dialogue the Series 11 companions had is exposition and saying the obvious/repeating what was said before. Aside from Graham, they lacked the engagement of previous companions, with the constant sharing of screen time making it even worse.
it not chibnals fault but what he has to work with is more limited with a completely new team especially prop manager
Fiona there’s just too many people now tbh
I think they should bring a new story writer
Now THIS is a series finale!
Great summation of your thoughts and themes of S11
haha, this is the lost Look Who's Talking
I’d honestly would’ve been happy if Hayley Atwell played the Doctor. She has a sort of charisma to her. But writing-wise, Chibnall definitely needs some help.
With Doctors 9 through 12 we get to know exactly what kind of Doctor these characters are within the first few episodes of their first series. Some of them we get to know them completely within the first episode.
With 13 I still don't know what she is, but she doesn't even feel like the Doctor yet. The show didn't even feel like Doctor Who after the premier until Kablam, and the series was almost over by then.
Yes The Doctor doesn't work in this season. Nothing to do with gender or even the actress just bad writing 😭
Agreed. I read the script of the first episode yesterday, and I was amazed to find that much the Doctor's character is actually hard-wired into the words she's given! The Doctor is written in such a way that she can only really come across across as a scatter-brained lightweight, with hardly any gravitas at all. She's. Also. Given. Breathless. Soundbites. To. Say. Much. Too. Often... Why don't they give her actual *sentences* to speak more often? Poor woman doesn't stand much of a chance with material like that.
Bad writing and she is a terrible actress for the role - like with music some artist can't sing certain songs, they just don't work with them and with acting it's the same thing, she shouldn't have been given the role because she can't do it, you can see it from episode 1 of hers just like you can see from the moment someone opens their mouth whether or not they'd be capable of taking on a certain song.
@@RaijinGod-Indra Jodie Whittaker is bland in the role.
Excellent video. I agree with every point. Chibnall's Doctor Who frustrates me a lot. There's another anoying thing: the TARDIS is now an elevator. It is not a special place where exciting things happen, or very dramatic scenes, or hilarious moments... Chibnall doesn't give a shit about this wonderful place. I think the only long scene we saw there was the beginning of Kerblam.
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Well.... _Kerblam!_ , and about 4 or 5 scenes in _Resolution_ .
I do agree it was a problem in Series 11 proper, though (that is, discounting the Special).
Although I love the TARDIS and TARDIS-centric episodes, I'm kinda glad it wasn't seen as much in this series just from its interior design alone. The lighting and colours in it were so dark and saturated it was almost painful to look at after a while. And the crystals just seem so out of place in my opinion. The console itself being a crystal was cool, but having them all over the room seemed really over the top.
@@amaurapond Yeah, that didn´t help at all. But I think they made it like this because they didn´t think to use it that much. That´s why you don´t feel the TARDIS is a comfortable space anymore.
When I saw the teaser for "The Tsuranga Conundrum", I really really thought and hoped that the antagonist would be the midnight entity, which would've been awesome
I really want this to be a learning season for them and that they understand where they went right and wrong. But I don't know if she will stick around for her doctor to get her own identity. Since she and chibnal said 11 episodes per year was unreasonable, and when I've heard her speak about the show. It's so focused on her being a female doctor. But I don't care about that, I just want to know what kind of doctor she is and keep a certain amount of consistency. She could certainly change throughout her tenure. Smith and Capaldi especially had some drastic shifts during the mid point of their run, but you knew what made them tik focusing on very different aspects and particular way of looking at the world.
But while she has the typical doctor traits of being resourceful, thinking ahead instead of just reacting for the most part, is able to both be kind and arrogant depending on who she talks to. But we see her for the most part through the eyes of the companions. I don't need a heaven sent but one episode that would focus on her adjusting to finding out who she is now. Not a deliberate journey of self discovery, but the best doctor moments come from you seeing everything from the doctors perspective you have no idea how a new doctor will handle a certain unbeatable situation. And how the doctor then wins becomes a template for them that shows of their strengths.
Nitpick, her TARDIS seems more like it's something from Krypton then Gallifrey, and the soundtrack was terrible this year. It feels wrong to not go orchestral, it doesn't sound like doctor who to me without it.
Classic who didn't have orchestra.
"her TARDIS seems more like it's something from Krypton then Gallifrey"
Basically it's crystals. CRYSTALS EVERYWHERE!
Segun Akinola's music was just... nowhere near as good as Murray Gold's. Like, not even close. That being said, I really love the 13th Doctor's theme
@@craydogdog1530 ur point being? The simple fact is new who has been better until this year where I literally can't think of a single scene that I can't wait to rewatch. 9-12 doctor would have bad episodes but often have 1 scene that was written in a way that you can rewatch it several times and see new layers. This was all surface level writing and it had this weird chip on it's shoulder seemingly forgetting the people who watch it are already on their side and it's not getting new viewers by bashing them.
Well said, this season was a let down. If you're looking for idea's there's no harm in reviewing past seasons, a little tweaking here and there could give it a much more desired effect. I would however suggest that the writer's could and should take on board the views of the fans for which this programme is intended for.
Matt Smith had such a great debut series
This was trash
Capaldi debut was great too. Its so powerful in contrast with matt which feels more wholesome. Capaldi calling everyone puding brain, stealing hobo's coat, pushing the robot guy off the tardis, and ofc... shut up! Shut up! Shutity upupup! Love it!
Series 5 and 8 were very weak IMO. I love Capaldi but his first series was pretty poor. I enjoyed this series, wasn't the best, wasn't even close to the worst. With any new Doctor is usually takes a series to iron out the problems. That's excluding a few Doctors though (ie. Tom, Christopher, etc.)
@@90sArchive i though people loved season 5
@@mrdoggo3569 I just stated my opinion. I am well aware that most fans enjoyed it but there was a huge backlash from fans, a lot of people stopped watching the show because of it. Not that that matters though, if people enjoy it then fair play to them, i'm all for people enjoying things I didn't. I also think people that didn't like series 11 should just leave the fans that enjoyed it alone. This happens every time there's a new Doctor/Showrunner.
The 2nd episode of season 5 was totally forgettable(I actually forgot about it untill I watched it the other day). I thought the rest of the episodes were at least average and I really liked the dream lord episode.
The penultimate episode had a 10/10 cliffhanger but the finale was just atrocious. The way the doctor escaped the pandorica was cheap.
BLINK ....The War speech from capaldi...great moments in DW this season only helps to sleep well...
So right, especially the war speach. That should be played in schools and parliament.
I couldn't even watch the first episode all the way through and I really wanted to. It's lost its Mojo lol
Same I just tried to watch it yesterday. Had to do something mid-episode and haven't finished watching it..
All these doctors had one thing in common emotion something at Whitaker don't have after all she has to squat over the toilet to piss the other doctors didn't have to it just simply stood up and whipped it out that's the big difference all the satisfied of social justice lgtb community
Actually, the “misconstrued villains” plot line happened FOUR episodes in a row, not three, since Kerblam also centred around it too; you get the call for help assumed to be from human workers, then the robots start killing - so once you realise that the higher-up staff are actually just as confused about the culprit as the main characters (so it’s not a “secret, cruel corporate plan executed by corrupt businessmen” conspiracy), you think it’s a typical “AI turns on humans and starts murdering” story. Only then the end reveals that the AI/machine was the one asking for help and all of the bad actions were caused by the real bad guy an extremist/activist/terrorist manipulating the machine to his own ends.
This is part of the reason I think the sci-fi theme felt weak in many episodes: they introduce a “villain” that - while not always flashy - is at least somewhat sci-fi, but then once they reveal the misunderstanding the plot always shows that the real villain(s) were the humans all along.
Arachnids in the UK: the spiders are only berserk because they’re disoriented by their growth spurt; the real villains are the “slimy corporate executives” who decided to unsustainably dump toxic waste - where the (supposed to be) dead spiders were also dumped - to cut costs.
Demons of the Punjab: the mysterious alien assassins showing up around people who die are actually mourners/mortuary witnesses paying respects to those who die alone; the real villain was the fiancé’s brother who sold him out and murdered him.
Kerblam: Makes you think it’s an advanced futuristic AI murdering workers in an uprising against humans, or a corrupt corporate scheme where higher-ups are using the machines to do so, but the managers are actually trying to solve the disappearances/murders and the AI is asking for help. The real villain is the human who is trying to use the machine to set up what is essentially a terrorist attack to prove an anti-AI point.
It Takes You Away: The sentient universe lulling people to trap them there is just lonely, and the monster in the woods is just a sound recording. There isn’t really an outright villain here, but the father does leave his blind daughter alone for long enough to make her think he’s gone missing, plants the speakers in the forest and lies to her about a monster - outright terrifying her into isolating herself in the house - to keep her from going outside.
It’s fine to explore emotional themes, but they spend so much time sidelining fake-out sci-fi villains - in favour of human villains creating conflicts that are mostly either interpersonal or moral - that they replace most of the sci-fi conflicts entirely. You can find interpersonal/moral issues about coping as a single dad, unethical dumping affecting the environment, family tensions and fratricide in dramas and soap operas. Even with the context of the Partition of Demons of the Punjab being behind the brothers’ conflict, you could still easily do that in a historical drama. They’re actively swapping out sci-fi elements in the story for human events and human drama conflicts. Obviously, Doctor Who has still showed plots of interpersonal drama or normal human conflict, and sci-fi/historical stories where humans were part of the problem, previously (think the human passengers pointing fingers and arguing in Midnight, for example; the monster was a large element but so was the tension between the panicking passengers who exacerbated the aggression and turned on the Doctor. For drama, think of all of the everyday human drama that’s happened with the companions: Rose and Mickey, Clara and Danny Pink. Even Classic Who had historical stories centred around companies or politicians as villains, like The Green Death or Enemy of the World. Historical stories from Hartnell’s era were mostly consisting of human issues, too.) However, the problem with series 11 is that this case happens almost more than the sci-fi stories themselves, and the episodes actively set-up sci-fi plots and characters as potential stories, only to actively red-herring or throw them away mid-episode in favour of mainly human-centric plots instead. They’re actively throwing away the major sci-fi elements in an episode ON SCREEN.
I originally thought it was kind of clever to do the _'humans are the real monsters'_ kind of thing in Rosa, because that was the first episode in a long time (possibly the entirety of New Who) not to feature a non-human antagonist of some kind. But then when they do it again and again in every episode, it quickly becomes a tired old trope.
I think the reason they used it in so many other episodes is for the same reason they did so with Rosa: they want to shine a light on real-world issues in the hopes of actually changing the world.
Arachnids is a ripped-from-the-headlines story about a certain loud-mouthed corrupt politician. Tsuranga tried way too hard to be a science lesson and failed miserably, but also managed to be a subtle jab against the defunding of public healthcare.
Punjab has a plot tied together by post-colonial guilt, along with the additional morality tale of scary looking aliens turning out to be harmless, thus encouraging the audience to challenge their xenophobia.
Kerblam is... I dunno. It feels like a morality tale that forgot to have a moral, except perhaps 'the robots will take your jobs, and that's okay!'
Witchfinders, while it does feature a monster that is actually monstrous for once, spends much more of its screen time focusing on the evils of its human characters, and using the witch trials to frame its _ever so brave_ moral stance that sexism is in fact A Bad Thing.
They lay off it a bit for the final few episodes, but even Resolution just _has to_ make that unneeded gripe about how humans have overcome many things throughout history, _including the worst of their own people!_
So, given how the early seasons established the Doctor as someone who _likes humans,_ it leaves a bad taste in your mouth when season 11 spends half its time saying _'Actually no. Humans aren't good. We need to be better!'_ - in addition to all the other ways it's meddled with the formula. Don't even get me started on the thirteenth Doctor's complete inability to be intimidating, or even interesting for that matter.
Not only is it detrimental to the show for all the reasons outlined above. I think the only real reason they did it was the external requirement to uphold social justice.
I could be reading way too much into this, but given the precedent set by Rosa, it's not hard to imagine the Doctor Who team being Hell Bent on _'reflecting the times we live in',_ and using their enormous audience to _'create positive change in the world'._ I'm paraphrasing, but not by much. The second part is something the main cast have all discussed in interviews. And the first is pretty much verbatim from Chris Chibnall.
This is why I say the focus on social issues has brought down the quality of the show. It's not "political correctness" - it's something far more insidious than that. This is *_issues-oriented storytelling._* And rather than build up a fanbase of people who like that kind of thing (it can be done well, to be fair - just look at the success of shows like Steven Universe.) the team behind this have repurposed an existing show, and then gotten cross with the audience for not conforming.
And if I can get on my moral high horse for just a moment, I'd like to say it's a _huge_ disservice to the first female Doctor to have her associated with this mediocrity. Not only that, but her portrayal has only gone and reinforced a stereotypical notion that _'HAHA a woman can't play the Doctor without being a self-righteous feminist!'_
What's more is that it often fails at its stated goal. Perhaps because they can't fully commit to the idea of a female-led show, the Doctor and Yaz are both woefully underdeveloped as characters, with the latter offering little more to the show than her role as a token minority.
They keep introducing gay characters, only to swiftly kill them off. And the two characters who fans actually want to be gay (the Doctor and Yaz) will probably never go beyond their vague hints at flirting with each other. And the Doctor wore a rainbow coloured scarf one time. This is called queerbaiting, and queer people _hate_ it.
So, with that being said, I'm not sure who this show is for now, except perhaps well-meaning liberal types who want _feel_ like they're doing the right thing, because they can now watch a show where the main character is a _white woman_ instead of a white man (so inspiring!), and feel totally vindicated for their one-dimensional approach to social justice.
Sarah Jane Smith is my favorite companion. Seeing those clips of her from the Tenth Doctor's run makes me miss Elizabeth Sladen who played her.
There is no problem with casting a female Doctor, but the reasons they cast a female Doctor are. It was more about making a political statement then about exploring a whole new character dynamic with the Doctor.
Exactly, the problem is that instead of using diversity in service of the story , the use diversity as a replacement for the story, and if you dare to criticize their laziness instead of praising them as forward thinking artists you are ofc a bigot...
Said exactly the same thing about the superlative disaster that was Ghostbusters 2016:
It wasn't that the team were all women that was the problem but rather _why_ they were....
The Doctor is a man! God i love school reunion!
@@makara80 yeah, i liked the dynamic of the actresses, but they could have created a better, different story for them instead of trying to overwrite them in an old beloved classic... Come on, script writers, we want your new original stories!
@Ingrid Rib....well that actually wasn't what I was trying to convey tbh....but each to their own!
No, "why" was a problem for me with GBusters chiefly because: you had an, ahem, 'flamboyant' (and demonstrably unsuitable) director/co-writer harbouring trite 'daddy issues' that detrimentally pervaded his work, plus a script fashioned to compliment his vapid, creatively-ossifying politics and feminist fetishes, etc, etc. And all to the alienation of GB fans and anyone who values good ol' escapist entertainment of course.
^Again the parallels with GB2016 and current 'Who are as startling as they are sobering....though to be fair Chibnall doesn't dress like a pretentious knob like Paul Feig so he's got that in his favour at least. ;)
Could have made the 13th doctor scared of having someone with them, frightened of having a companion after the 12th having had both be killed in some way, and his dragging people away for adventure endangered them. It could have been the doctor was awkward because they had to face the part they played in the death of people they cared about, the ponds, Clara, billy. Could have been an interesting take. Maybe they could be distant and harsh to push people away, possibly going out of the way to keep their companions out of danger, possibly fighting with the conflict of "is the adventures and experiences these people have worth their deaths?"
Best review of the season I have seen so far.... as painful as it obviously was for you to do.
I doubt BBC is listening, they never do.
I was very optimistic when it came out. Didn't want to be a prick and say "a woman can't play the Doctor!" And they still lost my good faith in them by making the season a big wet fart.
They might as well have done a lot of genre episodes- horror, drama, comedy, animated- whatever. That would have been easier to write and visually more fun to use the budget on.
This felt like a middling drama series with sci-fi thrown in.
Class was better than this and it got shitcanned.
There could be a good female doctor, whittaker just happens to be bad
@@sajtjakab Of course! Anyone who says there can't be is a shit brain.
But, it turned out bad. Nothing more to say. It's just a TV show, though, so it's not too important.
@@sajtjakab We already had a good female Doctor her name was Romana.
And technically we also got Joanna Lumley in a charity episode once and what little time she was on screen as the Doctor had more character then Jodie showed all season.
@@diracsea4590 also Missy
@@hgwsavage The Rani was better then Missy.
finally someone relises that there is too many comanions
I love with capaldi his doctors internal conflict was not knowing if he was a good or bad man and this Carrie's through until hes forced to realise his answer when he first faces missy.
I'll be honest, I stopped watching the series halfway through. It wasn't bad, per se, there was wasn't anything there that was interesting or engaging. None of the characters grabbed me (all of the companions are criminally underdeveloped, something I chalk up to there being 3 of them right off the bat, whereas previous doctors got more or less a season to develop their relationship with a singular companion before you started seeing consistent extras coming along for the ride); the episodes felt disjointed, low-payoff, and lacking any sense of real stakes.
As for it being overly progressive/SJW...I've never been able to understand how anyone could view doctor who (at least the new seasons) as anything but progressive - the companions are diverse, the doctor is inhumanly accepting in all his/her incarnations, and the broad message is USUALLY about acceptance, understanding, and finding nonviolent solutions (with the exceptions being foes that literally cannot be reasoned with). That being said, the level of virtue signalling in this season (especially given the clumsy way in which a lot of supposedly progressive content was handled) left a bad taste in my mouth. A good 50% of the episodes were a ham-handed attempt to reference a complex social issue in a superficial way (Kerblam! - Capitalism BAD!; Arachnids in the UK - haha Trump/insensitive rich people; Rosa - Racism bad! The Witchfinders - Sexism bad!). None of the targets (I hesitate to say villains) are remotely complex or sympethetic, which leads the inference that they're just there to be acceptable targets that can be freely hated and disposed of (kind of like chucking Nazis in a video game as shorthand for 'these guys are really bad and evil and it's okay to kill them). It's just lazy writing.
I'm not saying you need to make, say, the racist guy from Rosa sympathetic, but for him to resonate as a villain and a threat, IMO he needed to have more to him than just a nothingburger of 'Me racist, blame black people for something, enact hilariously over the top plan to stop racial equality, Grrr.'. Personally, I got a lot more emotional resonance out of the random guy on the street's (who slapped Ryan) casual racism than I did the supposed antaognist's cartoonish and largely unmotivated villainy.
No, it really was bad per se in that it was so lifeless,witless and above all glorified denigrating the Doctor as a character. The number one thought I have coming out of this year is what does Chibnall have against having a female Doctor? He can say he's for a female Doctor all he wants but the writing says otherwise because the Doctor has never been made stupider or more useless on a consistent basis ever.
Keblam was pro capitalism
The new one is politically correct af
I was thinking about the complaint (in the video too) about too many companions and it just doesn't fly. So many other shows have a series of characters far more than 4, particularly sci-fi and they don't suffer from such poor characterisation. Many have managed to establish their characters by the first episode.
I agree with the point about the racist guy - it could have been a great opportunity to show where racism actually comes from and how to combat it, but instead the villain was paper-thin with no discernable motivations. I thought that episode was if not the best of the series then at least in the top 3, but the villain was a massive missed opportunity.
The reason it didn't work can be described in two words. Chris Chibnell
Honestly, he was just the tip of the iceberg.
Chippy is boring
that chibnall throwback
I wonder if Chibnall has seen that video of himself or even remembered saying those words. I hope he does reflect on them.
Another thing that I missed was the complete lack of two parters. I know the episodes were slightly longer, but they were padded with the "character moments" described in this video, and regardless of this, an extra 15 minutes does not equal a cliffhanger and an extra 45 minutes. Everything was wrapped up in a neat little bow, and any dangling plot threads like the Timeless Child, or the time traveller guy presumably surviving, just got completely forgotten after the end of the episode. The whole series felt very "monster of the week" which has been an outdated format for years. It's especially jarring when Chibnall said that it is now the era of Netflix and Doctor Who needs to keep up. Netflix and Amazon Prime series are some of the main drivers of deep, sprawling, multipart epics. When you consider the current state of the DW universe with the half return of Gallifrey, you could easily imagine a series of the Doctor being toyed with or tested by the Time Lords as part of their attempts to make a full return.