Rewinding the Turnigy Rotomax 150cc BLDC to lower kV

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  • Description of how to reduce kV from 167 to 64 and 109 by increasing number of turns from original 3 to custom 5. Motor will have lower rpm and higher torque. Can drive propellers with bigger diameter and higher efficiency. More suitable for hanggliders and the E-Help system.
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  • @garypaisley
    @garypaisley 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Many Thanks! Top tip - A few drops of acetone on the motor base screws will dissolve the cyano glue locking them in place, avoiding the oven step which could harm the magnets.

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I know. Found out after some time. Also tipping a soldering iron just on the tip of the screw will loosen the CA

  • @bl00ster
    @bl00ster 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Very impressive.I don't understand the details and would never try this myself but I hope such devices will be available commercially.This could revolutionize HG as we know it.Thank you for doing this Reidar.Please don't stop, your work is showing the way for many people.

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, phg will probably never revolution to the sports. Its expencive and demanding ground handling. However, for the dedicated pilots it is the true and real motorglider for hanggliding. No theory, my flying time last 3 years have been increasing a lot due to electric assisted thermal hunting

    • @dongguanfreerchobbyco.limi3655
      @dongguanfreerchobbyco.limi3655 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      any demand for powerful bldc motors, our company can provide more choice and customized service service for you

    • @sempertard
      @sempertard 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      "I don't understand the details...." He electrically/magnetically "geared it down". And did a bang-up job doing it.

    • @dulal1267
      @dulal1267 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AcrodesignerLNSNI hi

  • @Gunzee
    @Gunzee 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My father told me the UK used to have many rewinding and battery repair shops when he came over, mid 60s. He got his beetle dyno & Datsun 120y rebuilt, the last shop I knew off run by a very tall Irish guy closed about 2003/05. Great work btw, looks very fiddly

  • @Marie579
    @Marie579 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WOW, that’s impressive I really wouldn’t know where to start apart stripping it, this is where matches comes handy I guess, impressive video.

  • @aserta
    @aserta 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just a tip, if you stick your armature on a thinner rod (than the axle) which is affixed horizontally to something, then find the end of the wire, loop it over something above the position of the armature and then simply throw the end with something heavy over your balcony, you'll unspool the thing faster than you think. Plus, you get to keep the wire for other things. Works up to one mm wire, after that, it simply doesn't bend anymore and you have to pull it.

  • @Migueldeservantes
    @Migueldeservantes 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love that tune! Also the cat-Scan was very positive... any video that have a cat make things really great!!

  • @kwhp1507
    @kwhp1507 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am not interested in HG at all but I am into RC. I love the video, it's a great semi-instructional video. I can see me referencing this in the near future just because I have some smaller brushless motors that have to be rewound due to burning out. Thx. I am now subscribing

  • @electronicshelpcare
    @electronicshelpcare 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    reat!!, what i was looking for and excellently explained for people like me, newbie in the electronics

  • @3deeguy
    @3deeguy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rewinding for paramotor. This is the channel I'm looking for. Subscribed.

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have built an E-Help for paraglider with this motor and setup.

  • @Bigwingrider1800
    @Bigwingrider1800 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    HERB ALBERT. MY MOM LISTEN TO THIS..BRING BACK MEMORIES

  • @alishanmao
    @alishanmao 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    what an awesome job done here. Lots of work but good results.

  • @aarondarby6778
    @aarondarby6778 8 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Beautiful mate! Loved the music. Also good to see you gave this thing a cat scan before running it up ;-)

  • @danb37
    @danb37 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for posting and not just because it’s Thanksgiving Day. Happy thanksgiving btw.
    Thank you for posting this inspirational video and extremely informative. So much very good information in the comments!

  • @ehcnjq
    @ehcnjq 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    BEST MUSIC EVER!!!
    not this annoying what-ever power sounds ...
    BRAVO!

  • @DoRC
    @DoRC 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    You sir have both balls and skills....

    • @ahmdabdallah5811
      @ahmdabdallah5811 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What Is Islam?
      Islam is not just another religion.
      It is the same message preached by Moses, Jesus and Abraham.
      Islam literally means ‘submission to God’ and it teaches us to have a direct relationship with God.
      It reminds us that since God created us, no one should be worshipped except God alone.
      It also teaches that God is nothing like a human being or like anything that we can imagine.
      The concept of God is summarized in the Quran as:
      { “Say, He is God, the One. God, the Absolute. He does not give birth, nor was He born, and there is nothing like Him.”} (Quran 112:1-4)
      Becoming a Muslim is not turning your back to Jesus.
      Rather it’s going back to the original teachings of Jesus and obeying him

    • @cvspvr
      @cvspvr 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ahmdabdallah5811 hail satan!

    • @3d-speakers945
      @3d-speakers945 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      caspar valentine agreed

  • @cripplekid0902
    @cripplekid0902 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for having real music, a lot of the other TH-camers use really annoying music.

    • @grimfpv292
      @grimfpv292 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The music is from a cooking-show on Norwegian television from back in the 1980'ies. Which is kind of a internal reference to Norwegians, still a nice tune though. :-)
      (I just noticed this is a 3 year old post...)

  • @peterpeterson4272
    @peterpeterson4272 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I bow to your genius. Thank you for the great video :)

  • @thefredFreddy
    @thefredFreddy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    très beau travail. vous avez eu de l'aide sympathique sur ce projet ;-))

  • @temDeTudoOuQuase
    @temDeTudoOuQuase 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video, very interesting and informative. Good job.

  • @EVO_Engineering
    @EVO_Engineering 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holy snail! Awesome! Congrats!

  • @macsheadroom3209
    @macsheadroom3209 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I admire his confidence, and the tune makes it look easy...

  • @jeffreynolds2190
    @jeffreynolds2190 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I bet you make a mean guitar pick up.. lol
    but seriously thanks for posting all your e help. I think you are awakening the HG world to new and better ways to expand the sport.

  • @robertlhote7412
    @robertlhote7412 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Magnifique. .travail fait avec grand soin...👍

    • @macsheadroom3209
      @macsheadroom3209 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't even know what you said but I know it means awesome...

  • @jon4x4
    @jon4x4 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well, loved the content as well as the music

  • @SagaSeaCraft
    @SagaSeaCraft 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great cat! We have seven of 'em.... three of which are of immense help in my shop! At least they think so. :)

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +SagaSeaCraft Lots of cat hairs in Your house ?

  • @rabinpetrobras
    @rabinpetrobras 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Reidar my friend !!!! Congratulations for this chanel !!!!! Very Good !!!!

  • @PhG1961
    @PhG1961 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video, also the music is way better than the stupid/crazy free audio junk from youtube. Great job !

  • @MrVoice1
    @MrVoice1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You have so much free time

  • @masterneoneo9319
    @masterneoneo9319 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    uff Nice job... excelent

  • @davidaharris2561
    @davidaharris2561 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's the Cutest Cat Scan I've ever seen.

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sasha is a very nice workshop mate. He is now 8 years old, an russian Siberian allergic free cat. This Siberian cats does not have the enzyms in their spit and fur that triggers allergic reactions. My son is allergic to normal cats but not this one.

    • @davidaharris2561
      @davidaharris2561 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, Sasha IS the BEST Cat in the world to have...You're family is Very Lucky to have Him.

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sasha is now 7 years old and becoming more and more cozy. Siberian.

  • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
    @AcrodesignerLNSNI  6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Just a comment from author dated august 2017: since the video was made I have increased the number of strands to 12 for the motors intended for flatland start and use of the Menz 34x14 prop. The space in the stator for 12 strands is pretty marginal so it requires skills to compress all that copper. However, then You have probably the most optimal hangglider electric motor on the planet. Relatively small and lightweight compared to the bigger disc motors. And will at 52 volts and 140 amps spin a Menz 34x14 prop producing thrust enough for flatland launch of a 80 kg pilot on a 155 sq feet glider.

    • @davegeorge7094
      @davegeorge7094 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This what I like to see men do! Cool DIY bro

    • @adysdelicias1465
      @adysdelicias1465 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do you sell those motors

    • @dominikknapik7990
      @dominikknapik7990 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Correct me if I'm wrong but that's about 40 percent better efficiency?

    • @vidmasze
      @vidmasze ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@dominikknapik7990 i think mostly about larger prop at slower rpm to increase propeller efficiency (with help of lower kv to keep Volts higher enough and for Amps to be low enough within consumer ESC range). Maybe there's something how to increase motor electric efficiency at lower rpm too, but dunno, would be interesting to hear (maybe: star vs delta winding?)

  • @ThePdidy10
    @ThePdidy10 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Hello,
    I am curious what ESC, Flight Controller, and props you would use for those motors? Batteries as well please? I am looking to build something with 4-6 of these motors to lift myself off the ground.
    Also great work on the video, the synchronizing of props was very impressive.

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The ESC is the Turnigy Dlux 250, prop is the Menz 34x14. Copper wiring we use 12 srrands of 0,6mm2 this days to get higher copper filling. For flatland start the E-Help is at 35 kg thust at 52 amperes (14s) and 122 amperes. Actuator is a RC control for cars

    • @muntee33
      @muntee33 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Reidar Berntsen 14S? You achieve this by LiIon, custom LiPo or what configuration of OTS batteries?

    • @vintageseller7700
      @vintageseller7700 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@muntee33 off the shelf 14s lipos

    • @leviterande7902
      @leviterande7902 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@AcrodesignerLNSNI Dear Reidar, Im in Sweden! you have such an amazing configuration in your video. Could you please enlighten me on your last specification at 08:40 : You wrote
      6kw, 2.5Amp /kg. Which means: 6000watts / 52volts = 115Amps which means:
      115amps/2.5amps = 46kg of thrust!!!!! is this real? you mean you got 46kg from 6kw? could you please clarify Reidar if you achieved 46kg, or what exactly kind of thrust did you achieve with 64kv. Thank you so much!

    • @ericylle6597
      @ericylle6597 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AcrodesignerLNSNI wow! 6,3kw for a massive 35kg of thrust! MOST impressive! Was that in delta or in star?

  • @createthisdotcom
    @createthisdotcom 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    holy crap this is a ridiculous amount of work

  • @skykid1075
    @skykid1075 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I liked and subscribed for the cat

  • @danhardy410
    @danhardy410 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    so cool would like to try this motor on ebike

  • @behnamameri233
    @behnamameri233 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it was a great job.perfect

  • @naz95k71
    @naz95k71 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    OMG i would love to have this motor on my electric longboard, imagine the speed it could go and how steep hils it could climb, i bet it could go up a skatepark halfpipe :D

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Naz95K Ha ha. On a longboard instead of D config go Y (star) and it goeas from 105KV and 4800 rpm to 80KV and some 3300 rpm. Probably go direktly on the longboard wheel. 7 kW or almost 10 horsepower on a longboard brobably would be a blast 😂😂😂

    • @naz95k71
      @naz95k71 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AcrodesignerLNSNI yeah too bad its expensive to make or buy such highend stuff, having that much torque would be cool, you know before i bought proper motors and belts etc i atached 4 drone propelors to it just to go faster downhill. Scary to ride on but so much fun

  • @davidberglund909
    @davidberglund909 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great work! What is the maximum thrust you can get out of the folding 3 blade prop?

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My rasa 34x12 three blade foldable is about 28 kg and I only use it for motorgliding form hillstart. Not for flatland start that requires about 34 kg thrust to do it safely with my 85 kg pilot weight

  • @LuyandaMzuvukil
    @LuyandaMzuvukil หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love that motor

  • @y788lhjk1
    @y788lhjk1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    2:15 This is the moment when mom decides to come in without knocking.

    • @jbbauer0
      @jbbauer0 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      At least your pants are on

    • @y788lhjk1
      @y788lhjk1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yeah not the absolute worst occasion

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ha ha... -could easily be worse stuff on the screen :-)

  • @collinsmark4971
    @collinsmark4971 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very impressive

  • @programamones1230
    @programamones1230 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Olle con que circuito lo estas controlando ? Como lo haces girar ? Saludos me vi todo el vídeo y me agrado

  • @Frifler888
    @Frifler888 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    could you please tell me where you got the skema for the motor winding ? I can't find anything like yours

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is calculators for motor windings on internet. This is the one I use www.bavaria-direct.co.za/scheme/calculator/

  • @George25
    @George25 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What size are those little hex screws , I want to change the neck support for the propellers and I need to open the part you just placed on your bench ,I appreciate your answer mate 👍

  • @winfriedrijssenbeek1
    @winfriedrijssenbeek1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dear Reidar, the perfect work! Congrats. what is the best eff, for the 34x12 in delta or star? Does the 2.5 amp bring ca 7 kg/kW? with 34x12? Best Winfried! PS we are considering the Rotomax again for commuting craft with wings!

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hi Win, I this days only use it in Delta. The star coupled HT (High Torque) version of E-Help was sure pretty efficient but the 3300 rpm swinging a 120 cm diameter prop proved a bit unpractical for hangglider. Affected the handling a bit and doesent fit into my Toyota Prius Plugin. The efficiency was good. However, cooling the motor was a bit demanding at that low rpm high torque. Think it was pushing the motor physical dimensioning a bit too far. The HT achieved some amazing low 2,5 amperes at 52 volts to produce 30 kg thrust. But only for limited time as the motor became very hot. Cooling is from rotation working as centrifugal pump. So HT was only for cruisefrom hill launch, not flatland start. Even thoug I once did flatland start with it. Did not like it. Same motor in Delta with some 5000 rpm plus on a Menz 34x14 prop proved way more practical and nice for hangglider. At some 120-130 amps it produce 35 kg thrust for flatland takeoff seen on another R&D video at my channel. That is efficency in the 3,7 amperes per kilo thrust. When throttling back for cruise the efficiency was better as the disc loading decreased. And no cooling problem, can stay on takeoff power all day long it seems with copper size total 7,2mm2 as it was wound of 12 strands 0,6mm2 wire.

  • @pedrojuarezherrera
    @pedrojuarezherrera 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hay algún programa, software, para cálculo de diámetro de alambre, vueltas y podían de bobinado?
    Gracias.

  • @ericylle6597
    @ericylle6597 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    HI! congrats and easily the most interesting brushless mod on youtube. You wrote 6kw at 2.5Amp p er kg. I assume its 50v so that means you got 48kg of thrust with the 64kv mod! that is an insane thrust efficiency. would you please say if that is correct? thank you!

  • @paulmartin8051
    @paulmartin8051 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    what method do you use to lock the propeller so it doesnt windmill when the power is off in flight?

  • @mtmytech6187
    @mtmytech6187 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video

  • @anupr3592
    @anupr3592 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is that stator made of. And if i want to build myself a stator what should I prefer

  • @tushar673353
    @tushar673353 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i also like to work with cats...nice video

  • @moamoa3303
    @moamoa3303 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i love the music,,,, old british tv

  • @somaodeunier7586
    @somaodeunier7586 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great work and video! Small question. How did you determine the length of the wire and how many times you loop it (5m x 8 loops in your case) as well as the wire AWG? Im working on a 3 phase motor completely from scratch and would like to know if you have formulas to answer my questions or did you figure it out from the original windings?

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had no formula. Just did by cut&try. The 105KV motors that dominate the E-Help world this days are 12 strands of 0,6mm2. Nice to work with flexible and good copper filling. Just did a 88KV version with 6 turns with 10 strands of 0,6 mm2 wire. Run tests on a series of pitch parameters on 34 inch diameter props. Obvious is way below tip speed transonic issues. Efficency increase. However, top thrust is below flatland start. Looks like we have got the supercruiser, KV88, battery 52 volts, prop 34x16 inch

    • @marcinjuraszek
      @marcinjuraszek 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AcrodesignerLNSNI hi, great video. Who can give me advice to speed up motor, need less turn wires on stato, but bigger wires?

  • @victoryfirst2878
    @victoryfirst2878 ปีที่แล้ว

    How long did this rewind take you Reidar ??? I like this method of rwinding with all your steps. Job well done fella.

  • @scottwilliams895
    @scottwilliams895 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    @0:48 Can the "shaft extender"(part you grab with your left hand) be removed from the outrunner case/face on this motor? I see what looks like 6 bolt holes on the inside...

  • @mikelemon5109
    @mikelemon5109 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice vid but what about calculations? I do also have some 5065 beast motors that I want to lower the kv from 270 to around 190kv how would I do that?

  • @marcinjuraszek
    @marcinjuraszek 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, very qool video, can you explain - how is possible to increaser kV with this same voltage ? more wire / more turns ?

  • @paulmartin8051
    @paulmartin8051 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    isn't the ratio between star and delta a function of sqrt3? So I don't quite understand why the ration 64 to 109kV isnt exactly this? Would you be able to describe how you reconfigured the star delta element?

  • @onedoodadyoung
    @onedoodadyoung 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    More great work from the master!! Thanks Reidar for all your ReD. Am working on the gear drive e-help system and would like to know your new LiP battery source. Thanking you. I amDanny

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hello Danny. My source for 7s 6000mAh 60C LiPo batteries is norwegian model airplane vendor www.rc-batteri.no. However, main reason for selecting this vendor is logistics. Shipping LiPo from China to Norway has become more strict and this company do all that stuff for me. Any LiPo at this big size and spec will do the job. The old direct driven E-Help was brutal to the batteries pulling some 160 amperes for tiny 25 kg thrust. The gesred Mossie is kinder to the batteries producing 35 kg thrust at 120 amperes. What I see with the rewinded motor that in delta and with a cheap wooden prop 34x12 it produce 25 kg thrust at 90 amperes. This means that endurance is close to doubled for the direct driven E-Help.

    • @onedoodadyoung
      @onedoodadyoung 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Reidar Berntsen ,Thanks for the info. I had one other question about the gear drive. You show T10 size on the picture of the XC version. Do you think the T5 size of cog pulley with a 25mm wide belt is big enough if using the soft start on the ESC? I was going with 18t x 60t for 3.43/1 ratio with 50x28 folding prop.
      Thank you
      Danny

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Danny Young T5 sounds a bit small. Once calvulating the Mossie even the T10 was marginal

    • @onedoodadyoung
      @onedoodadyoung 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Reidar Berntsen I was thinking the same thing so I went with the T10. Thanks again
      Danny

    • @henryphillips4683
      @henryphillips4683 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Reidar Berntsen ..Thanks VERY much for your generous rewind video of the Rotomax 150! Danny and I are flying buddies and we both have been waiting for the Rotomax 150 on backorder for a month now. (we are both 66 and knees are bad) We are not sure when they will come, there must be a LOT of people wanting one? Danny wants to build a reduction drive but I am not sure I can do it. I was wondering if I could pay you to rewind one that you have or sell me one that you already have rewound?
      Hank

  • @smorrismlbco
    @smorrismlbco 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was faced with similar problems on my electric hang glider project but instead of rewinding the motor (I lack the skill!) I decided to use 2 motors running at reduced power instead. I run the stock Turnigy 150 motor with Xoar 30x12 props and climb at 5-7KW per motor (51.8V, 100A per motor.) Because there are 2 prop discs the prop efficiency remains high. The only downside is the weight and cost of 2 motors and controllers instead of one.

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, the reduced disc loading from two slow props will give good efficiency. How is the two motors arranged, trike ?

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I saw your electric powered Millenium video. Very impressive !

    • @saeedmughal6756
      @saeedmughal6756 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Reidar Berntsenkkil1pqplq

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If You look at another video on my channel showing the twin engined "Fugly" You can see two of this rewound motors with 34x12 props driving my big tandem glider with big wheels and tailwheel. Almost like a small ultralight. It was an experiment to try to obtain the lowest possible disc loading prop efficiency and see what performance that came out of that. It showed pretty good efficiency for the drive train. Two motors each pulling 70 amperes and producing 22 kg thrust each driven by one common ESC (Turnigy Dlux 250A) worked pretty well. It was a fun aircraft to fool around with at the airfield. However, the air resistance when gliding engine off was awful. It glided like a manholde cover and I soon named it after my instructors dog "Fugly". Which means fucking ugly. My goal is not to make an electrical ultralight, it is to use electrical to reach thermals and then soar away engine off.

    • @ishengelia1
      @ishengelia1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello Reidar, do you think the tmotor prop G40x13.1 could be good match for this motor. rewound or not? thank you

  • @tcoblackflagwhitearmy4615
    @tcoblackflagwhitearmy4615 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    btw its an e scooter name speedway 3. max speed tested is 55-60km/h.

  • @FredoCorleone
    @FredoCorleone 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a beast

  • @oliver2032
    @oliver2032 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What are you using to control the speed control?i see something on your harness but not sure what it is or where to get one. Thanks for your time spent helping everyone!

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This days use a wireless from RC cars suystem

  • @humayunlaskar627
    @humayunlaskar627 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Salute 👨‍✈️

  • @HimanshuGhadigaonkar
    @HimanshuGhadigaonkar 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey, love the music..
    I wanted to know
    What does the efficiency of the motor depend on?

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Himanshu Ghadigaonkar Efficiency on the motor itself is mainly losses in stator iron and copper losses. As long as not saturating the iron or running too high amperes in the windings the efficiency in the motor itself is very good 98%. However, propeller efficiency is the huge contributor as a bad prop can have an efficiency down into the 35% range and a good one 70%.

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Efficency is mostly depended on a precice closed loop motor control. To obtain the 97-98% efficiency a minimum reactiv current without loosing polar angle is needed. So actually the ESC is as important as the motor itself

  • @SnowWolfJones
    @SnowWolfJones 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    im misunderstanding something from the description, are you using LESS turns per spool on the stator or MORE ? And this allows lower rpm but more torque to drive bigger propellers with more efficiency?

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      More turns. The original 150KV has 3 turns per pole. Mine has 5 turns

  • @julipegasus
    @julipegasus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Reidar, thank you allot for the very informative videos. So when you rewind from 3 to 5 turns did you end up with 64 or 106 kv? I have to rewind my rotomax 100 and want to reduce the kv by 1/3
    Thanks a alot. Greeting Julian

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      In Delta it will be 106KV and in star 64KV. I flew it with 64 two years ago I think there are videos of Pink flying with the huge propeller behind. There were 2 mayor issues with the 64KV. First of all the propeller is huge about 120 centimeter in diameter. Very good efficiency. However, the low rpm and huge torque did not produce enough cooling air trough the motor stator windings. The outrunner bell is supposed to work as an centrifugal pump for cooling air and those lumbering low rpm's did not do a god job there. So motor temps were too high when take off power at 64KV.

  • @joereyes8835
    @joereyes8835 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey hobbyking do you have this motors with dual shaft. let me know.

  • @somaodeunier7586
    @somaodeunier7586 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What esc are you using?? Do you have any esc recommendations for a 4kw 80A continuous current motor??

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Turnigy Dlux 250 Amp from Hobbyking. Does the job pretty good and is compact and cheap

  • @paulmartin8051
    @paulmartin8051 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    do you know what the original wire diameter was in swg and what the new one is? 0.6mm2 isn't quite a standard size

  • @LukeQuin
    @LukeQuin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Video. How many hours did it take to re wind one motor? I have a rotomax 50cc and would like to lower the KV. Probably wont do it after seeing how much work it took for you to do :)

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Luke Q Total 10 hours if pro and have got all parts available.

  • @hygrometer
    @hygrometer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    8:35 looks great

  • @velpurigopi8792
    @velpurigopi8792 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice bro

  • @mreese8764
    @mreese8764 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like this, but would it not be easier to add some transistors in parallel to the existing ones of the h-bridge, swap the transistors to bigger ones, or take out the transistors and add a substitute h-bridge board to the ESC? At least if the batteries can supply the current, that should be easier.

  • @tayseerfalah
    @tayseerfalah 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    beast music ever

  • @TheDIYer
    @TheDIYer 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How to get very high rpm at 95k and kinda good enough torque to turn a 10inch prop

  • @rostravelventure
    @rostravelventure 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    So adding lower gauge wind can consume more amps? I want to rewind my motor for High KV and can take up to 400 continuous amps on a 6 pole motor. What is your input on this? Thanks!

    • @mackattack8627
      @mackattack8627 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just buy a Plettenburg or Lehner Huge Outrunner in any custom Kv you want they are definitely high amp hungry monster's above 400-500 amps no problem the epoxy staters and high temp wire + liquid and air cooled German quality much better than any Turnigy can💪

    • @danb37
      @danb37 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. So much info here in the comments to this single video

  • @danthemans
    @danthemans 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing.

  • @carrcohol
    @carrcohol 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a rule, what about the old winding are you attempting to improve? The wire diameter? The turn ratio? What's your sliding scale so to speak, as in "fewer turns, thicker wire=more torque but higher current?
    If I want more torque, what do I lose as far as P.I.E.R.
    Great instructional, I am impressed.

  • @eaausang
    @eaausang 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Where did you get the 3 bladed foldable prop?

  • @ronvansommeren
    @ronvansommeren 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beware of oven temperature overshoot, may kill the magnets.
    Best to wait say half an hour or so for temperature to stabilise.

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Today I just blow the old windings with a heat gun for loosening the resing for just the reason U mention

  • @josemariacalebgarciayamin5250
    @josemariacalebgarciayamin5250 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Herp Alpert ó Al Hirt músic very Good.Caracas Venezuela.

  • @ebesan1116
    @ebesan1116 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi! I love your work! I was wondering what esc and batteries you use? I have the same motors as you, but Alien power system twin 300a esc.. Do you have extra cooling (like a fan) on your esc?
    Thanks and greetings from Finland!

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello Finland ! I use the esc from hobbyking the dlux 250 amp and that one is good for 200 amps without extra cooling. In practical it is stronger than the R150cc motor that will burn its stator windings before the esc. I used one of this esc and fed two motors total over 200 amps on the Twin E-Help, or Fugly as ee called it. Big aeroplane and I climbed to 1000 ft with it on a 24 Ah 52 volts package consisting of 8 pieces of Zippymax 4800 mAh 7 cell packs

  • @SurfKiteFly
    @SurfKiteFly 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi thanks for sharing your project. I have just purchased a turnigy 150cc equivalent motor and 32 inch prop. I don't intend to rewire it but I do have a question for you if you would be so kind as to answer. Do you think the standard bearing system is safe from the factory. I was considering running the motor inline with secondary high speed bearings in bearing retainers inches of the factory system failing. Would rather not have the extra weight. Just wondering what your thoughts are on the standard factory system. Thanks Darren

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Running a bunch of this motors since 2013 we never have had problems with bearings anytime. Even rough dissasemby and tinkering, propeller strikes and mishandling. My thinking is that as designed for RC model airplane usage, were small crashes, landing mishaps and nose overs are not uncommon, the motor is built quite robust. On my geared version I even put a belt driven sprocket gear direct on it with all the side forces that represented. Ran flawless for many years. I don't think You should be worried about those bearings

    • @SurfKiteFly
      @SurfKiteFly 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AcrodesignerLNSNI thanks so much for your reply. Just waiting on a bec and I will be ready to wire it all up. Already built a mini ppg carbon-kevlar frame and installed the motor, esc and made fire proof battery bags. Excited to get it working.

  • @matthiasBdot
    @matthiasBdot 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    seems a lot of effort. did you try the alienpowersystem 12090 brushless motor 50kv?

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hobby is to make stuff. Not the easiest. But much more fun

  • @kewintaylor7056
    @kewintaylor7056 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I didnt know much,but did he reduce kv cuz he need it to work with lower rpm?
    And what about another adventage of doing all that?

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Main advantage is like gear box to be able to obtain higher propeller efficiency. With the original 150KV the maximum prop diameter was 25 inchrs to stay at tipspeed below critical 250 m/s. With lower 105KV the prop can be 34 inch diameter without going supersonic tip. Lower disc loading an significant higher efficiency. Compare numbers, the 25 inch needed 168 amp to produce 26 kg thrust. The 34 inch need 122 amp to produce 35 kg thrust. That is down from 6,5 amp per kg thrust to 3,5 amp per kg thrust. Viola - double range on same battery.

  • @eddiemanuelitonavarro2622
    @eddiemanuelitonavarro2622 ปีที่แล้ว

    The same technique that I employ during modification of e bike and drone motor

  • @alejandrocastellanos9116
    @alejandrocastellanos9116 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    usted vnde los motores ya arreglados¡¡????

  • @pierrolalune59
    @pierrolalune59 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very nice work! What about the power? Is the max power also reduced? Thanks

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes, the power is reduced from 9,8 kW to about 7 kW when You look at only the electrical side of it. Voltage is same but current draw is lower and P=VxI. However, this lower 7 kW actually produce way more useful thrust to the hangglider than the screaming 9,8 kW. The "new" 7 kW produce 35 kg thust as the old 9,8 kW due to low propeller efficiency only produced 26 kg thrust. The energy must be taken from a relatively heavy battery. So what You want is that the energy carried in that heavy battery is spent as efficient as possible. Converting heavy battery power into noise and losses is useless engineering. Converting battery power into silent and high efficiency thrust is what You want. Viola - then You can reduce the size of the battery to half the weight for the same performance as before. We cut 5 kg on the total rig just by optimizing the motor and propeller efficiency. Everybody talks about super batteries. Well, there is only small 10% improvements in that end. However - it is way better to tweak the other end - the consumer end - and get the job done at half the battery consumption.

    • @edisonphoenix3303
      @edisonphoenix3303 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AcrodesignerLNSNI Well Said!

  • @devilsoffspring5519
    @devilsoffspring5519 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holy smokes man you're a glutton for punishment! Nice work though! Musta been one heckuva relief when the phases all had the same back EMF and the thing finally ran!
    I, for one, probably would just 'cheat' and build a gearbox for it instead :)

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have built many many motors after this and all but one ran nicely. The one that did not run well was because I had shorted a wire against the stator iron sharp corner. Had to redo the whole job. Beer while making the motor was a factor there... :-)

    • @devilsoffspring5519
      @devilsoffspring5519 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AcrodesignerLNSNI Beer is frequently a significant factor. At least you were dealing with electric motors and not firearms :)

  • @tcoblackflagwhitearmy4615
    @tcoblackflagwhitearmy4615 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi there im using a 600w brushless motor hub, running with 52v 26a batt . what must i do to make it faster, less hotter and batt consumtion reduced or maintained.. currently it can withstand 5-6 hrs ride at average of 25-30km/h with intermitent trotteling

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well. To take out more power it produce higher losses, about 2-3% of the output power go to heat. High rpm produce higher iron losses but also better cooling

  • @karmidibricolage3525
    @karmidibricolage3525 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    intelegent

  • @mny-patentcatalog681
    @mny-patentcatalog681 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting

  • @bireckable
    @bireckable 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    in the original config. of the motor what re the caliber of the wire and hhow many turns have? because i want to do this motor with the original configuration but i need to know this spec, so please if you can tell me i would appreciate

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      The original 150 KV motor the stator has 3 turns around each of the 24 poles and connection is Delta. As seen when disasemble. The cross section of the stator winding seems to be in the area 5 mm2 on the original motor. Be aware that Hobbyking refer to this motor as something else than "3 turn" windings because they count the pole pairs and add up the windings that belongs together so I think in their world they call it "8 turn".

  • @amjedfadhel6463
    @amjedfadhel6463 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can you help me please I need to buy a blades for my project and I don’t know where to get it from?

  • @stewbeats3171
    @stewbeats3171 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do u think u could make a drone out of this, like 4 of these big boys , can someone please contact me how knows more about these to tell me how to even begin to calculate the thrust it would lift

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The LoganStew Well, yes it would work nice as drone motor. Numbers are 35 kg thrust at 52 volts and about 135 amperes on a 34x14 prop from Menz. For drone u could go maybe 36x10 and improve those numbers.

  • @SagaSeaCraft
    @SagaSeaCraft 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you suggest a good website that describes the rewinding theory and procedures?Thanks!

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just google on the topic and many sites will provide bits and pieces of information an the deeper understanding. Not one source that got it all

  • @TheBlackEventorizon
    @TheBlackEventorizon 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does anyone have a proper set of dimensions for the 150CC? The dimensions on Hobbyking are not very helpful. If you have a CAD model that would be even better!

  • @Capnmax
    @Capnmax 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you build your e-help system? How did this motor work out? Still using it?

    • @AcrodesignerLNSNI
      @AcrodesignerLNSNI  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello, Yes this motor flew for many many hours. Built many more since. Alsoother KV's

  • @MaxWox
    @MaxWox 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Не пойму, в оригинале мотор был мощнее? Или он свой подписал как оригинальный?