In my opinion Primordial Malzeno is the highest peak of the totality of SunBreak's Combat System. His moveset and progressive aggression transforming him through different phases throughout the fight forces you to play faster and harder as the fight continues until you are eventually throwing *_everything_* you have against him and he in turn is maniacally attacking you with everything *_he's_* got which includes causing you to juggle not just his crazy moveset but also _multiple_ different systems of the game all at once INSANELY hype and intense fight🔥
Perfect description…Rise provided us as Hunters more counters and tools than any other MH game and the boss puts you thru the test. I will be clear that I don’t think that Rise is the best combat in the series but it has the most complexity. “Normal/Average ” MH hard bosses wouldn’t work in Rise bc all the tools the hunter has at their disposal.
The hardest of fights in Rise are obnoxiously so if you ask me. The end of that game has gotten so fast paced that it stops feeling like Monster Hunter and more like a generic action game. I'm glad Wilds looks to be taking a step backwards on the pace because Rise was going too far. Spiribirds are trash though and the main reason I dislike Rise. Unrelated complaining.
I got that thing off a random item drop during the hunt but still lost lol. I have yet to actually beat this behemoth but I got it close to death with the icon showing up under the icon lol
Well from your logic, IB Fatalis and AT Velkhana also have the equal difficulty causes those monsters are careful design to have a "counter" to the strongest mechanic hunter has in the game. I think 3 of them are all hard, but no mean the hardest.
Man now I kinda wanna see AT IB Black Dragons now Alatreon just has the pre nerf Escaton Judgement while he’s at it (But then again that just implies for me that Fatalis is either gone crimson or white and Alatreon really just going ham on that avatar of the elements like idk pulling moves that Namielle does but Alatreon can just freeze up the water during the that move instead)
Let’s keep telling them that it’s still too easy. We could use some more highly challenging monsters in the future games. And a chance to see those amateur players complain about being too hard like Iceborne’s Alatreon.
the problem is, Rise is too easy because the mechanics are too easy, wirebugs and the extremely heavy reliance on parries makes MHR a pretty subpar Mon Hun game
@@cobaltbluestickman5557 yes make it so hard and let's alienate casual, drooling players, make it progress back towards stone age and make it a niche game once again, so westerners will only get a Piece of sliced pie from future monster hunter releases like it used to be
@@Triffyrose As hard as Arrogant is I defeated him far easier than I ever did Musou Elzelion, even with prayer songs I still find myself in dire trouble with elze. Arrogant Dure melts with ranged weapons. Nearly damn free in fact (bringing MOST melee weapons to dear dear shame to an extent its baffling). I also recall Upper Shiten Disufiroa being much more manageable on ranged, which is something I would normally not expect. Also yeah Upper Disu is right behind Arrogant. Elze is just far harder.
I remember when Primordial gave me a VERY hard time when I first fought him. But after getting to fight him many times and learn his movement patterns, he easily became one of my favorites in Sunbreak.
Played the euphonium in middle in high school, so probably that Also I'd probably argue that bloodbath Diablos is a harder challenge than malzeno due to the player not having as many options to counter and move around and out of the way. However, saying that Zamtrios is the hardest just because you were walled by it when you started doesn't mean that it is more difficult. There is a difference between struggling with a monster and it inherently being hard, and I think there are many good examples of it. I struggled a bunch with pink rathian in 4u, but I know from an objective standpoint that it is not as hard as something like raging brachydios, which is a monster I struggle to put down even with 1000 hours in the franchise. If you as a new hunter were given endgame gear and told to go fight alatreon(world) you probably would quit the game after a few hours of getting beaten into the dirt. I do agree that perspective matters, but there will always be a reasonable objective standpoint to approach this from. Also music while talking about phase two is a little too loud, kinda masks your voice
Props on mentioning BloodBath btw, I personally do think he is a very hard fight but I have not quite gotten back to rise to compare Primordial to him, but you are certainly right on the fact that there's not many options left with his fight, especially on the EX version, but personally I might place Boltreaver above him. Edit: I played Euphonium once upon a time too 💀
@@joe_the_zombie Mainly I was comparing the EX's. no point at all in comparing their weaker forms. but this is probably because bloodbath diablos was the only monster I fought in that game ever since I decided to finally give that fight a try, a lot less of boltreaver.
@@joe_the_zombie You're missing out, they were the most fun. Some of the deviant quests were boring. A lot of the times they focused on other monsters or multiple monsters, or capturing them, and the G1s were way too weak.
primodial to me gave the memory of old gen tactics, (I suck at Counter, wirebug counter cuz i am used to dodge far and don't get hit) it is reminder that no matter how improved the combat style went, (hate the debate of claw and wirebug), you still have to learn dodges and timing like a dance to grab every chance to attack
the hardest monster in the franchise is the low rank Redhelm Arzuros that you can unlock before you even realize that Bherna armor has comically low defense 💀
You probably were not willing to count frontier, but if you were, I'd give you without a shadow of doubt, Musou Elzelion. The Hardest Monster in the Franchise. Ofcourse that is my opinion, but also the general consensus for the game on people who played it. I've seen some minor groups disagree.... but most of the time... they were... not the brightest tools in the shed themselves, just people who wanted to cope.
Yah. But she is that challenging also because Frontier gives you a lot of tool and power. Great to see monsters like that. The stronger and advanced the guild are, the stronger monsters we have to fence off. . . . And there is freaking Fatalis who just overpowered everything with his sheer force of destruction....
i disagree musou nargacuga is harder than musou elzelion, elze is basically his normal version but faster with bigger aoes, you are equipped to handle fast af monsters in that game (i'm not saying musou elze is easy, hello no, don't get me wrong) but musou nargacuga has malzeno teleports on crack on top of most of his attacks hitting so many times that is barely humanly possible to parry a move because you have to press the parry button with e very specific timing about 6 times in a second, with the game going at 30 fps which sometimes causes input miss at that speed
this was a crazy fun fight to master. "master." (to this day, i still can't turn my brain off and let muscle memory take over like with some monsters.) Primordial Malzeno is one of the best monsters in recent memory at truly making me feel like a hero when i beat him, which is arguably the best part of Monster Hunter, period.
Zamtrios has an cousin named "Tetranadon", another Amphibian that is Kappa-like. Tetranadon was my first wall before I realized to hit his belly when he goes "Sumo Mode". Other than *that one Barroth* , Narwa, and Apex Diablos, everybody was relatively easy
had 3 tries before i beat Risen Valstrax, was a great and enjoyable fight. I had 4 tries with Primordial Malzeno and I just gave up the game lol P. Malzeno's not even close to death whenever I fail. P. Malzeno literally made me quit and stopped playing the game. It's the only monster in MHR/SB that I have not slayed to this day. i know i just need to git gud but 4 failed tries is my threshold. Planning to try again before MH Wilds comes out
Honestly for me Risen Valstrax and Risen Shagaru carted me more than i’d like to admit but nothing and i mean nothing has angered me more than getting combo’d to death over and over by Malzeno for making only one mistake while dodging.
I felt the same way, until I realized that he has huge amounts of weak spots to hit, and follows pretty set patterns, with guaranteed openings you can bait out. My current hardest is Risen Shagaru, because he guards his face and jumps around more.
@@Touktouksoans Oh I see, you should try getting yourself a private server or public server and get on the game! I've done a custom quest with 5 Musou Elze with a time of more than an hour and like 999 carts and it was crazy, cart festival here and there. But I learned a lot from that. fun days.
It really depends on your weapon match up though? Primordial Malzeno is actually fairly easy if you play the counter heavy weapons like Long Sword, Bow, and Dual Blades. Actually he's trivially easy with elemental berserk sets by making you virtually invulnerable in blue scroll. Hit stun chain locks are also fairly easy in solo with Charge Blade saed style and Great Sword tcs counters. The trick is that wire bug recovering from the first Malzeno hit will get you wombo comboed so you just stay down or wire bug diagonally away. Also none of Malzeno's attacks actually one shot from full health unlike the Risen Valstrax super beam. IMO Iceborne Fatalis is by far the hardest fight not just because of his fast mechanics.....but simply because Capcom stupidly made his MR requirement really low so unlevelled players keep joining SOS's and triple cart all the time. By the time you get the level 300 Risens everyone's rocking elemental berserk sets or long swords so deaths are rare. Mechanically tough fights I found are the bad match up monsters like hammer against monsters whose heads are too high, armored, or too wobbly. I remember Lagiacrus being a huge pain back in MH Tri because his head is wobbles alot and Plesioth in MHFU since there wasn't an upswing in hammer yet.
Lance does well against Risen Crimsonglow and Primordial. Though like any weapon, you should probably be confident with the weapon's capabilities first of course.
P.Malzeno is the only monster that has given me any trouble so far. Had to switch to lance and patiently learn his moves and counter accordingly. Ironic how the less mobile and stoic styled weapon made Malzeno's erratic movement more manageable. For me at least.
I hate this fight. I’ve been playing since Freedom Unite and beat most of the games aside from 4U and i can honestly say this fight has pissed me off the most. If you make just one mistake dodging or guarding you’re basically carting guaranteed.
No? That’s deviants you’re talking about. You do know that in sunbreak, defensive sets are insanely good due to how easy it is to stack defense & still get solid offensive skills off. And even then, primordial malezeno is super telegraphed. Being overly aggressive is your own fault. I 1st tried him with a defensive hammer build.
@@LuxEternis nah Deviants were way easier i solo’d most of the EX versions without many issues. The only ones that gave me trouble were Thunderlord and Boltreaver. Also not everyone enjoys or wants to play defensive or use defensive builds. GS main btw.
Dude up until primordial malzeno came into the game, my wall was Shara Ishvalda from iceborne. It took me several weeks before I finally took it down. And monster hunter world was my debut in the monster hunter games. I got over 330 hours in there and roughly around 400+ in rise from both switch and xbox. I got close to beating primordial malzeno yesterday at least twice once he hit the final phase of the fight but most times I got carted quick.
rise was my first monster hunter game I played, and primo malzeno was probably the hardest thing I've ever fought in a game since I'm a casual gamer, but I loved the intricacies. Learning how to dodge his complex moveset was an exhilerating experience,
I think this logic is actually pretty fair when it comes to the "hardest boss in Monster Hunter" and for me, it was the OG Monster Hunter 1 Gypceros. As dumb as it sounds, I had zero experience with any videogames that weren't platforming or racing at the time. I was also fairly young, maybe 14 years old. Yian Kut Ku was a challenge for me because I wanted to play the game a certain way and Yian Kut Ku showed me that while what I was doing was difficult, it was still possible to win. Gypceros on the other hand, was such a difficulty barrier for me that it took me a full year to beat it. I realize now that it was a combination of using a weapon that didn't suit my playstyle (I was using a GS when my playstyle is more suited for SnS) and refusal to play offensively, but Gypceros will still to this day give me a moment's pause when choosing to fight it. I've since played (and beaten) most every MH game in the series and learned so much over my time playing. But for me, Gypceros is and always will be the hardest MH monster.
I personally don't think Primordial Malzeno is insanely difficult. In fact, I've never even triple carted. He is incredibly fast and has long combos, but he has a lot of moments of downtime. Usually after his ultimate or during his final phase. For actual difficulty, he would Barely scrape into my top 20 hardest monsters, but he is undoubtedly my 3rd most difficult hunt in Sunbreak. However, the reason I'm writing this is because, Primordial Malzeno would be downright stupid to fight in a Monster Hunter game without the movement of Rise and Sunbreak. The wirebug are your only saving grace from most of his attacks, and without them, you'd simply be wombo combo'd to death constantly. Primordial Malzeno's attacks are designed to punish mishandling of your wirebug usage, and if he was put in a game without wirebugs, he would probably be one of the most difficult hunts in the series. Now, I get that Capcom would nerf Primordial just so players could properly keep up, but it would still be insanely difficult to predict his teleporting, avoid getting hit by 3 attacks in a row, and have to deal with nonstop speed and aggression for an entire final phase. Old World players and even New World players would all have a hellish time trying to keep up.
He's not the hardest by any stretch. The fact that he is fought in a normal map with all the special tools available for you to use already makes him easier than any very hard arena fight that in turn restricts you. You also fight him with Fiorayne which doesn't scale up his HP but gives you more damage and utility overall I beat him first try without carting. That could never happen with something like Alatreon or Fatalis
mind you, the rematches, Fiorayne ain't with you unless you put her in the hunt. But yeah he isn't that hard, I believe the Hazard versions of him and Risen Shagaru are good contenders though
@@CALAMITY0FHYRULE easier to dodge and dies quicker, technically hits harder but you have less defense in gu + no health boost so it ends up being the same or more for gu.
Nergigante was my first proper wall, I actually quit World because I just wasn't good enough at the time to beat him. My friend found that the lbg was safer to use against him so he actually beat him for me. The funny thing is he didn't end up playing much Iceborne because he didn't enjoy the difficulty, whereas I kinda did. Nergigante & Ruiner ended up being two of my favourite monsters in World; both of which I ended beating with multiple weapons. Originally I would pull out the lbg if a monster was proving difficult, now I use Great Sword on everything. Recently got into Sunbreak & Primordial Malzeno definitely feels like a wall.
You see for Nergy it was the opposite, he gets utterly destroyed when he grows his white spikes and falls over when you break them. Then again i did have MH4U and MHGU under my belt when i played World so i already knew the general mindset to have when fighting a new monster. I just wish Nerg didnt fall over when you broke his Spikes cuz it can lead to stunlocking the poor guy
Hey, you probably won't see this but this video genuinely helped me. Rise is my first MH game, Pri-Mal was my wall for a while. Your video got recommended to me and it provided a lot of insight into the fight, namely with the combo at 4:34. I just beat him for the first time now and a large part of it is because of the things you talked about in this video that stuck with me. Thanks
Re: More HP =/= difficulty I think it does, but not in the traditional sense most people will think of. There are many types of difficulty and attention calibration is one of them, something that's not overly engaging but has a tonne of HP is boring, because it's too easy whilst simultaneously requiring all your attention. However a difficult fight that also has a lot of HP, taps into a different aspect of difficulty that focuses more on your preparation (how well you design your build for the fight) and your ability to optimise exploiting the small windows you're given to get the maximum damage in, which comes from a deep understanding of your weapon and the monsters moveset beyond just reacting to the monster. It becomes more about predicting it in advance, and lining yourself up in advance. The higher HP pool forces you to get really good at this because you'll otherwise run out of time, or your attention/focus will gradually deteriorate, making you more likely to make mistakes, get complacent and punished for it. This is why the special investigation monsters (after research level 300) are so difficult.
I recently made the point that Primordial Malzeno is harder than Fatalis and got a little bit of push back. At his core Fatalis has a very simple move set, while punishing, once you learn openings he becomes a lot easier. Add in his incredibly high hp pool and attack damage and I think that for most players hes more of a war of attrition than a mechanicaly tricky fight. Primordial Malzeno however is incredibly complex and leaves little to no breathing room, of course in Rise you also have more tools to deal with that complexity but I personally feel that this is part of learning curve and adds to the difficulty. Just my opinion I suppose, difficulty will always be greatly subjective. Great video mate! :)
Indeed, the fatalis moveset is so limited and people tend to forget fatalis just hit hardand nothing more. Don't get me wrong, fatalis is also a big challnge but for different reasons
My issue with this logic is that a monster is at its hardest when u are first attempting to defeat it and master it. Players do this all the time every subsequent time u fight it, it becomes easier u cant speak of difficulty from that space its not valid. THE VAST majority of the mh player base COULD NOT defeat fatalis on release for a long time in a group MUCH LESS solo him. Top players struggled for the first few hours on his release. You guys forget about this stuff. Once players started to figure out how to beat him which that charge was lead by the most skilled players in the player base then ppl started winning and started saying he was easy no no no thats not how that works lol. Malzeno was NOT causing such strife on release. To say he is harder than Icebourne fatty because u are now super familiar with his moveset is disingenuine at best. How u handled the monster on your first meeting and fighting it is a far better measure of difficulty. Some monsters are so challenging they REQUIRE u know their moveset in order to stand a chance at winning many frontier monsters are like that so the gap between initial & mastery is much smaller in order to win. U do not need to have mastery over primals moveset to win or even close. Its hardest form can be baited and waited and u get a big opening to dish out dmg once exhuasted. Move set complexity is not the only aspect of difficulty either, how hard they hit, how quick they are, the time limit allowed etc all these parameters define a hunt and its difficulty
I would say that hazard Risen Shagaru Megala is harder. The move set is tougher to learn, you get heavily punished for even the smallest mistake and the fight escalates further and further beyond the final phase of Primordial Malzeno.
This question was easy when you decided to show the easiest pattern to recognize of a dying elder dragon, and the fact that risen shagaru and valstrax are also in this game, and even then they still aren't the hardest unless we're talking rise in specific.
This guy absolutley rocked me, took a lot of attempts to finally beat it. I have only ever played Rise and Gen ultimate (the two MH games on switch) so im not aware of how hard other end game fights in the series can be. But im glad to see im not the only one who thought this fight was really hard if not the hardest in the game. Another thing that i thought adds to the difficulty is that when you first fight him you are only allowed to bring Fiorayne, you cant bring any other companions. So not only do you have this insanley strong monster your also locked to fighting it with half of a hunting party when you first fight it.
It's an awesome skill but unfortunately many late-game setups limit your ability to swap scrolls while maintaining offense. For instance Dragon Conversion
My first wall was brachydios. It took me so much grinding to just not *time out* on the quest. I was terrified. The only similar experiences ive had are mhworld fatalis and primordial. They nearly broke me. It was AMAZING.
have you beaten world fatalis solo? It's way harder imo. Rise gives you so many ways to elevate the difficulty through wirefalls, silkbind attacks and followers. World fatalis have cannons and ballistae but its overall way more difficult. There's also world alatreon that gives you nothing and have a hard elemental damage check every 12 minutes.
World fatalis' difficulty mostly comes from his absurd damage and some imbalanced bs. Bad hitboxes, moves that do nothing but stall time, and stuff like the flinch grab punishing you for hitting the monster hard.
Gore Magala was the first "wall" I encountered when I was getting into MH4U as a kid. It forced me to realize that I just can't grab a hammer and bonk my way out of a fight, I have to actually study and learn the monster. It was one of the most satisfying wins when I finally beat him with barely anytime left.
There are actually four phases. The phase 2 you mentioned have an enraged phase where its moveset changes. But tbf if you can read the first phase, the remaining three phase are relatively easily readable too. Wouldn’t say it’s the hardest boss, tho, given sunbreak hunter is too op. Cough in Boltreaver Astalos cough cough bloodbath Diablo cough cough
The answer is no. Play Frontier. All the hardest monsters reside there. Edit: And not just hardest MH monsters, but some of the hardest bosses in videogames, period.
I don’t see any world where Primordial is the hardest, you simply have too many tools to invalidate his moveset in Sunbreak. Also while his super combo is crazy at first, it’s fairly easy to dodge and he’s left open for a long ass time afterwards.
Monster hunter rise was my first monster hunter game. I had….some difficulty with primal malenzo but it wasn’t so hard. But dual blades kinda counters him as being in the air makes it so you can ignore attacks for a while, and the mobility helps too
I feel like the accordion is my favorite instrument to listen to, idk, it just kinda gives off a feeling you rarely hear in music, a feeling I feel, has yet to be explored
I agree that Primordial is a challenge but personally I think it comes down to the area you fight him in, if you're in the citadel and you're fighting him in a really narrow/cramped area then your going to get pummelled but if you're in a wide area then he becomes easier. This is why I actually think the Hazard quest is easier than the base quest because the Hazard quest is set in the Forlorn arena which is very open.
I've always thought putting a snow rajang with insane staggers, 2 shot levels of damage and good mobility in a room full of tinier rajangs as your very first urgent quest was a horrific fate to put players through with like less than 10 hours of playtime, just to.. hit low rank HR2???? 😂...so yeah, Blagonga in MHGU/MHXX as a new player to the franchise is the hardest fight to me period 😌 i might've grown up to solo bully fatalis and alatreon regularly for fun in newer games but I'll NEVER forget how younger me was forever bullied by just a mere low rank urgent quest... good times fellas 😌
One of the only reasons I think the older games are harder is because you stand still for 3-5 seconds when you use items like potions so when you have to heal you have to have an opening
I could agree but the fact that I can for sure solo this monster (even the hazard quest) but can't solo fatalis on MH world proove that MH world Fatalis is (for me at least) the hardest boss in the series. + in rise you have toooooons of option to manage those hyper active monsters with 16 attack combo, in world you have the temporal mantle...
I’d say my favorite instrument is also the piano. Played it in elementary and even though I didn’t keep up with it, it’s definitely a really cool instrument. As for walls, believe it or not, mine was Arzuros(I know, I was REALLY bad), after him it was Barroth, then qurupeco(my first game was 3U btw). But the most difficult monster in the series for me is World Alatreon, with a close second being Fatalis, and behind him it was Ivory Lagiacrus(he was a complete menace in the mark of a hero quest). From a more objective standpoint though, the most difficult fight in the series has gotta be one of the “Extreme Individuals” from Frontier based on what I’ve heard and seen.
The big wall monster at the start of my Monster hunter journey was anjagath or however you say the flame Rex name, I had like 5 hours I base MHW and in all of monster in general, and I was not prepared for the T-Rex, but now I have I think like at least 1800 hours in MHGU, MHWI and MHRS and I have gotten to the point where I can trivialize Primordial Malzeno... of course I do need followers and I did die a lot at the start of it when I fought it with my friends, but now I full Primordial Malzeno gear and nearly every weapon from it.
Personally, i think that Primordial malzeno is my favorite monster by design. It's fast. it's crazy, and it looks absolutely stunning. But i beat it second try and then was able to beat it consistently afterward getting the full set. Id say that for me the hardest monster is fatalis from world which took me 2 years to beat.[on and off playing but still probably around 100 attempts at least] I like watching videos like this just so i can learn how people perceive the game. Thank you for making it.
When i did Primordial Malzeno in the story he was super easy so i imediatly went to the Advanced version on the forlon arena and... he was still very easy, Nothing in Sunbreak came close to the difficulty of Alatreon, Fatalis or some Arch Tempered Elders... i probably just got much better at monhun overall, but figuring out wich attacks were safe to counter was actually cool.
Alatreon and Fatalis are difficult because they purposefully go against the traditional hunting system, were Malzeno to have a shorter time limit or DPS check, he'd be viewed as much harder
Nah I was able to solo Hazard Malzeno but I still cant solo Fatalis or Alatreon in iceborne. Its not your skill that got better, its just Primordial is not as hard compared to Fatalis or Alatreon.
He has become my favourite Sunbreak Fight for sure. Immense pressure the whole way through but it just has something very rewarding about it to fight him and come out on top. Learning to deal with phase 3 was a real pain in the beginning though. I don't know how often I carted against that angry boi
To me Primezeno isnt the hardest. To me, risen valstrax will always be my bane. That thing hits like a truck despite not having multiple chained attacks like primezeno.
I dunno bout the hardest, but seeing his wings fold up and teleporting for the first time was insane. Certainly top 3 coolest things ive seen a monster do. Made me do a mental double take, to make sure i saw that right.
Anyone who says high hp is not a factor in difficulty doesn’t understand difficulty. “Patience” is not what’s being tested, especially when paired with any kind of timer. Ditto high damage. This is not a matter of “our opinions our equally valid”, it’s observable, demonstrably, and experimentally untrue. “Difficulty” as a concept is a measure of qualitative or quantitative success rate, and it is a known and understandable factor around which games are carefully and intentionally designed. “Artificial Difficulty” does not refer to intentional or designed numerical balancing-it refers to unintentional sources of difficulty-like stick drifting, glitches, or frame drops. Primordial Malzeno doesn’t even come close to being the most difficult fight in the series. Primordial Malzeno, even Hazard Primordial is not even the hardest single fight *in Sunbreak*, which is easily understandable when engaging with higher level Anomaly Investigations or EX Investigations, which cannot be arbitrarily discounted. Not because of the numbers are the sole determining factor but because pretty much everyone is going to empirically fail more frequently-while subjectivity is a factor it’s not *that* subjective. There’s science in the art. Anecdotally, it took me over a week to beat Fatalis in Iceborne, and I defeated Primordial Malzeno in a single attempt-are you really going to be compare the two? This isn’t because of my experience levels-if I go fight them back to back right now, with *more* Fatalis experience and *more* playtime in World, I will struggle much more with Fatalis. Primordial is not even as hard as Teostra in 4U. The pace of action does not equal difficulty; many easier action games are faster paced than MonHun, that was *never* what defined MonHun’s difficulty. If you want to know how hard they are in comparison then just go back and fight Zamtrios again. I say the elders in 4U’s G rank are way harder because… I’m playing 4U’s G rank right now, after Sunbreak. It’s harder. The reason it’s harder is the scaling and the player controls and options. Something like Rusted Kushala feels unbearably aggressive, and demands continuous perfection else I get obliterated by attrition if nothing else.
If that's the case what about try fighting Special Investigation Shagaru Magala, 25 minute time limit, 0 faint condition?(they do exist!) Or Special Invs Valstrax with the same thing. For just quest alone may even be able to find a special investigation Risen Shagaru, Velk, Apex Zinogre, and Pri Mal Special investigation with the same conditions I listed before. A mod may allow for a similar experience with Pri Mal though he wasn't made into anomaly monster. Difficulty is subjective based on gear too. Some may beat Fatty first try and struggle against PriMal, Risen Shagaru etc based on how long they've played monster hunter in general.
@@themeekkat Indeed! That being said though, I’ve never seen anyone ever beat Fatalis on their first try, blind. Like, ever. I’m not saying it’s never happened, but I’m not aware of it having been done. I remember when it first dropped and it took CantaPerMe 8 hours. I’m sure similar would be true if special investigations were the only forms that things like Risen Shagaru took, but the the investigation system by its nature, as well as the optional quest existing, sort of ensures that people will be incrementally introduced to such difficulty and thus not be as blindsided by it. Faint conditions and time limits and multiple monsters are definitely real difficulty conditions, but if we’re comparing “which monster is harder than another” more than likely what matters is how hard they are by themselves. After all, I’m sure having to fight Fatalis with another monster around would be a special kind of brutal (modded quests demonstrate this very clearly, lol) In as far as gear is concerned, my gear was well past MR100 and pretty much maxed out for Fatty (aside from lacking Fatalis or AT Velk gear); PriMal I took on well before Scorned, so that’s not the reason.
The way i would try to rate each monsters difficulty is depending on how high they make these stats Movement speed Attack speed Attack cool down Punish window length Damage HP Status conditions Unique mechanics I think these stats are a good way to measure monster difficulty.
As someone who played sunbreak recently, I'm going to say hes mainly super hard at first when you just got out of mr 6 and are trying to fight him, but once you get higher level armor and doesn't 2 shot you with basic hits, he becomes a lot easier
I breezed through rise and most of sunbreak until I hit Amatsu, which is actually my favorite monster. It beat my ass so hard it took me two days before I managed to beat it once. Then i unlocked Primordial and proceeded to laugh-cry at how difficult it was. It reminded me of Elden Ring SOTE Radahn, overwhelming I bashed my head against it for three days until i finally beat it, only to hear later that youre meant to progress anomaly investigations first
Not sure about hardest, but definitely one of my favourite fights in MH. It tells a story through the way the fight progresses. Amazing fight design for Primordial Mal.
people bringing up fatalis are silly that fight isnt actually that hard its just punishing and requires you to play aggressively. Molton Tigrex G rank is harder imo than iceborne fatalis
The drums but piano is a close second! Also I think if I had to pick the tricky monster for me due to my low number of hours/first game it has to be ivory lagiacrus. That was just me getting beat down over and over and over again. I did eventually win and my love for monster hunter was set in stone.
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The hardest boss is actually the plesioth deviant namely Leg Day Plesioth
Uuuuuuuu that fucking Plesioth still gives me nightmares, like Cinthya from Pokemon or The Flood in the library, OMFG
Peak MH boss
Fun fact: plesioth is apperently safi’jiva sized… largest not elder dragon comfirmed!
The hip check felt across the world
In my opinion Primordial Malzeno is the highest peak of the totality of SunBreak's Combat System.
His moveset and progressive aggression transforming him through different phases throughout the fight forces you to play faster and harder as the fight continues until you are eventually throwing *_everything_* you have against him and he in turn is maniacally attacking you with everything *_he's_* got which includes causing you to juggle not just his crazy moveset but also _multiple_ different systems of the game all at once
INSANELY hype and intense fight🔥
Perfect description…Rise provided us as Hunters more counters and tools than any other MH game and the boss puts you thru the test. I will be clear that I don’t think that Rise is the best combat in the series but it has the most complexity. “Normal/Average ” MH hard bosses wouldn’t work in Rise bc all the tools the hunter has at their disposal.
@@BookkeeperGaming well said
The hardest of fights in Rise are obnoxiously so if you ask me. The end of that game has gotten so fast paced that it stops feeling like Monster Hunter and more like a generic action game.
I'm glad Wilds looks to be taking a step backwards on the pace because Rise was going too far.
Spiribirds are trash though and the main reason I dislike Rise. Unrelated complaining.
@peco595 as the no.1 Sunbreak glazer, I hate the birds. I mod the game to just spawn the max bird at camp and then go and hunt like normal.
Flexing the Primordial Bloodstone on the ground while also having the third phase transformation haha nice!
I got that thing off a random item drop during the hunt but still lost lol. I have yet to actually beat this behemoth but I got it close to death with the icon showing up under the icon lol
My friends: suffering against P. Malzeno
Me with my lance: *tink* *tink* *tink* *tink*
Lance vs Big lance
Try gun lance pal
@@kannonlewis4183 nah, you thought one giant shield was enough for my lust of immortality?
@@apersoninaplace6331 we GL’s fly faster then Valstrax and can turn a magnamalo asunder. Yes my fellow hunter
Lancers and Gunlancers laughing as everyone else's suffering
Well from your logic, IB Fatalis and AT Velkhana also have the equal difficulty causes those monsters are careful design to have a "counter" to the strongest mechanic hunter has in the game. I think 3 of them are all hard, but no mean the hardest.
IB Fatalis is such a mechanic check its crazy, AT Velkhana as well was challenging 🫡
@@azukimindauki the fact that both of them are not that flashy but rather grounded and simple are the best.
@@minhtruongnhat9986 oh 100% cause you spend most of world/ib fighting these fantasical monsters and then plop, just a dragon, goodluck 👍
Man now I kinda wanna see AT IB Black Dragons now Alatreon just has the pre nerf Escaton Judgement while he’s at it (But then again that just implies for me that Fatalis is either gone crimson or white and Alatreon really just going ham on that avatar of the elements like idk pulling moves that Namielle does but Alatreon can just freeze up the water during the that move instead)
@@Albert_Lecter03 monsters and game of IB are too good we dont want it to end ya
Dev saw the comment Rise is too easy and just say FUCK IT WE BALL *Added Primo Mal
Let’s keep telling them that it’s still too easy. We could use some more highly challenging monsters in the future games.
And a chance to see those amateur players complain about being too hard like Iceborne’s Alatreon.
the problem is, Rise is too easy because the mechanics are too easy, wirebugs and the extremely heavy reliance on parries makes MHR a pretty subpar Mon Hun game
@@cobaltbluestickman5557 yes make it so hard and let's alienate casual, drooling players, make it progress back towards stone age and make it a niche game once again, so westerners will only get a Piece of sliced pie from future monster hunter releases like it used to be
@@gigahertz7352 Hell yeah!
As a lancer still too ez
Honestly, I don’t find Primordial to be the hardest monster in Sunbreak. Risen Valstrax and Shagaru KO my teammates more often.
primordial malzeno is hard but a lot more fair in his moveset, compares to those two.
@@BigDBrian Especially when you factor in the Risens’ Hazard movesets. Special Investigation Shagaru still gets my heart pumping fast.
Musou Eruzerion in Frontier is the hardest monster in the franchise. This isn't even a question or debate.
Yeah you can hear the general population of Magnet Spike users screaming as we speak.
That alongside Arrogant Duremudira. Both are painstakingly hard.
@@Triffyrose As hard as Arrogant is I defeated him far easier than I ever did Musou Elzelion, even with prayer songs I still find myself in dire trouble with elze.
Arrogant Dure melts with ranged weapons. Nearly damn free in fact (bringing MOST melee weapons to dear dear shame to an extent its baffling).
I also recall Upper Shiten Disufiroa being much more manageable on ranged, which is something I would normally not expect.
Also yeah Upper Disu is right behind Arrogant.
Elze is just far harder.
Truth be told, Frontier is exempt from usual MH difficulty standards.
pretty sure he is just talking about the mainseries
I remember when Primordial gave me a VERY hard time when I first fought him. But after getting to fight him many times and learn his movement patterns, he easily became one of my favorites in Sunbreak.
I like the piano too, but I kind of fell in love with the Cello after seeing what some people can do with it
Played the euphonium in middle in high school, so probably that
Also I'd probably argue that bloodbath Diablos is a harder challenge than malzeno due to the player not having as many options to counter and move around and out of the way. However, saying that Zamtrios is the hardest just because you were walled by it when you started doesn't mean that it is more difficult. There is a difference between struggling with a monster and it inherently being hard, and I think there are many good examples of it. I struggled a bunch with pink rathian in 4u, but I know from an objective standpoint that it is not as hard as something like raging brachydios, which is a monster I struggle to put down even with 1000 hours in the franchise. If you as a new hunter were given endgame gear and told to go fight alatreon(world) you probably would quit the game after a few hours of getting beaten into the dirt. I do agree that perspective matters, but there will always be a reasonable objective standpoint to approach this from.
Also music while talking about phase two is a little too loud, kinda masks your voice
Props on mentioning BloodBath btw, I personally do think he is a very hard fight but I have not quite gotten back to rise to compare Primordial to him, but you are certainly right on the fact that there's not many options left with his fight, especially on the EX version, but personally I might place Boltreaver above him.
Edit: I played Euphonium once upon a time too 💀
@@utsugixragon9999 gu Astalos is a fight that I've nearly mastered, so boltreaver(at least his early ones) was kind of a bit of a pushover
@@joe_the_zombie Mainly I was comparing the EX's. no point at all in comparing their weaker forms. but this is probably because bloodbath diablos was the only monster I fought in that game ever since I decided to finally give that fight a try, a lot less of boltreaver.
@@utsugixragon9999 I haven't fought either ex , so I just compared their regular g rank iterations
@@joe_the_zombie You're missing out, they were the most fun. Some of the deviant quests were boring. A lot of the times they focused on other monsters or multiple monsters, or capturing them, and the G1s were way too weak.
primodial to me gave the memory of old gen tactics, (I suck at Counter, wirebug counter cuz i am used to dodge far and don't get hit)
it is reminder that no matter how improved the combat style went, (hate the debate of claw and wirebug), you still have to learn dodges and timing like a dance
to grab every chance to attack
the hardest monster in the franchise is the low rank Redhelm Arzuros that you can unlock before you even realize that Bherna armor has comically low defense 💀
You probably were not willing to count frontier, but if you were, I'd give you without a shadow of doubt, Musou Elzelion. The Hardest Monster in the Franchise. Ofcourse that is my opinion, but also the general consensus for the game on people who played it. I've seen some minor groups disagree.... but most of the time... they were... not the brightest tools in the shed themselves, just people who wanted to cope.
Yeah, I also pointed this out. Musou Eruzerion is the hardest by far. No contest.
@@EliteWizzerd946 I swear, I go to bed with his combo's at the back of my mind, scared that they're the monster under my bed.
Yah. But she is that challenging also because Frontier gives you a lot of tool and power.
Great to see monsters like that. The stronger and advanced the guild are, the stronger monsters we have to fence off.
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And there is freaking Fatalis who just overpowered everything with his sheer force of destruction....
i disagree
musou nargacuga is harder than musou elzelion, elze is basically his normal version but faster with bigger aoes, you are equipped to handle fast af monsters in that game (i'm not saying musou elze is easy, hello no, don't get me wrong)
but musou nargacuga has malzeno teleports on crack on top of most of his attacks hitting so many times that is barely humanly possible to parry a move because you have to press the parry button with e very specific timing about 6 times in a second, with the game going at 30 fps which sometimes causes input miss at that speed
@@robertomacetti7069 You're joking right? This has to be bait lmao.
this was a crazy fun fight to master. "master." (to this day, i still can't turn my brain off and let muscle memory take over like with some monsters.) Primordial Malzeno is one of the best monsters in recent memory at truly making me feel like a hero when i beat him, which is arguably the best part of Monster Hunter, period.
Zamtrios has an cousin named "Tetranadon", another Amphibian that is Kappa-like. Tetranadon was my first wall before I realized to hit his belly when he goes "Sumo Mode". Other than *that one Barroth* , Narwa, and Apex Diablos, everybody was relatively easy
As much as I wanted to agree with this, I still think that Risen Valstrax still poses the most struggle.
i kinda agree, the hardest i think not, but the most surprising and the most awesome fight in sunbreak. i will agree on that
had 3 tries before i beat Risen Valstrax, was a great and enjoyable fight. I had 4 tries with Primordial Malzeno and I just gave up the game lol P. Malzeno's not even close to death whenever I fail. P. Malzeno literally made me quit and stopped playing the game. It's the only monster in MHR/SB that I have not slayed to this day. i know i just need to git gud but 4 failed tries is my threshold. Planning to try again before MH Wilds comes out
Honestly for me Risen Valstrax and Risen Shagaru carted me more than i’d like to admit but nothing and i mean nothing has angered me more than getting combo’d to death over and over by Malzeno for making only one mistake while dodging.
I felt the same way, until I realized that he has huge amounts of weak spots to hit, and follows pretty set patterns, with guaranteed openings you can bait out.
My current hardest is Risen Shagaru, because he guards his face and jumps around more.
bloodbath is my most hardest monster I've ever faced, especially when reaching the EX quest
*Laugh in Monster Hunter Frontier ZZ*
Hello, fellow man of culture.
@@utsugixragon9999 Sadly, I didn't even played it, but I know it has many of the hardest fights in the series
@@Touktouksoans Oh I see, you should try getting yourself a private server or public server and get on the game! I've done a custom quest with 5 Musou Elze with a time of more than an hour and like 999 carts and it was crazy, cart festival here and there. But I learned a lot from that. fun days.
@@Touktouksoanswould you like to?
I just wish Hunting Horn wasn't gen 2 in that game. What weapon would you tell a Hunting Horn main to play.
So nobody isnt talking about Risen Shagaru Magala
It really depends on your weapon match up though? Primordial Malzeno is actually fairly easy if you play the counter heavy weapons like Long Sword, Bow, and Dual Blades. Actually he's trivially easy with elemental berserk sets by making you virtually invulnerable in blue scroll. Hit stun chain locks are also fairly easy in solo with Charge Blade saed style and Great Sword tcs counters. The trick is that wire bug recovering from the first Malzeno hit will get you wombo comboed so you just stay down or wire bug diagonally away. Also none of Malzeno's attacks actually one shot from full health unlike the Risen Valstrax super beam.
IMO Iceborne Fatalis is by far the hardest fight not just because of his fast mechanics.....but simply because Capcom stupidly made his MR requirement really low so unlevelled players keep joining SOS's and triple cart all the time. By the time you get the level 300 Risens everyone's rocking elemental berserk sets or long swords so deaths are rare.
Mechanically tough fights I found are the bad match up monsters like hammer against monsters whose heads are too high, armored, or too wobbly. I remember Lagiacrus being a huge pain back in MH Tri because his head is wobbles alot and Plesioth in MHFU since there wasn't an upswing in hammer yet.
long sword is the easy in monster hunter so it's not surprising, same with dual baldes
Lance does well against Risen Crimsonglow and Primordial. Though like any weapon, you should probably be confident with the weapon's capabilities first of course.
True, I can solo Primo Multiple times but still carts on Alatreon Multiplayer
You think hazard p. Malzeno is ez ?
P.Malzeno is the only monster that has given me any trouble so far. Had to switch to lance and patiently learn his moves and counter accordingly.
Ironic how the less mobile and stoic styled weapon made Malzeno's erratic movement more manageable. For me at least.
The biggest enemy is your own skill
I hate this fight. I’ve been playing since Freedom Unite and beat most of the games aside from 4U and i can honestly say this fight has pissed me off the most. If you make just one mistake dodging or guarding you’re basically carting guaranteed.
No? That’s deviants you’re talking about. You do know that in sunbreak, defensive sets are insanely good due to how easy it is to stack defense & still get solid offensive skills off. And even then, primordial malezeno is super telegraphed. Being overly aggressive is your own fault. I 1st tried him with a defensive hammer build.
@@LuxEternis nah Deviants were way easier i solo’d most of the EX versions without many issues. The only ones that gave me trouble were Thunderlord and Boltreaver. Also not everyone enjoys or wants to play defensive or use defensive builds. GS main btw.
My favorite instrument is Flute. In fact, after 12 years I coud buy a new one and I'm extremely happy right now :3
Dude up until primordial malzeno came into the game, my wall was Shara Ishvalda from iceborne. It took me several weeks before I finally took it down. And monster hunter world was my debut in the monster hunter games. I got over 330 hours in there and roughly around 400+ in rise from both switch and xbox. I got close to beating primordial malzeno yesterday at least twice once he hit the final phase of the fight but most times I got carted quick.
5:27 but you can fully rely on quick sheathe, it’s the only thing that matters
rise was my first monster hunter game I played, and primo malzeno was probably the hardest thing I've ever fought in a game since I'm a casual gamer, but I loved the intricacies. Learning how to dodge his complex moveset was an exhilerating experience,
I think this logic is actually pretty fair when it comes to the "hardest boss in Monster Hunter" and for me, it was the OG Monster Hunter 1 Gypceros. As dumb as it sounds, I had zero experience with any videogames that weren't platforming or racing at the time. I was also fairly young, maybe 14 years old. Yian Kut Ku was a challenge for me because I wanted to play the game a certain way and Yian Kut Ku showed me that while what I was doing was difficult, it was still possible to win. Gypceros on the other hand, was such a difficulty barrier for me that it took me a full year to beat it. I realize now that it was a combination of using a weapon that didn't suit my playstyle (I was using a GS when my playstyle is more suited for SnS) and refusal to play offensively, but Gypceros will still to this day give me a moment's pause when choosing to fight it. I've since played (and beaten) most every MH game in the series and learned so much over my time playing. But for me, Gypceros is and always will be the hardest MH monster.
I personally don't think Primordial Malzeno is insanely difficult. In fact, I've never even triple carted. He is incredibly fast and has long combos, but he has a lot of moments of downtime. Usually after his ultimate or during his final phase.
For actual difficulty, he would Barely scrape into my top 20 hardest monsters, but he is undoubtedly my 3rd most difficult hunt in Sunbreak.
However, the reason I'm writing this is because, Primordial Malzeno would be downright stupid to fight in a Monster Hunter game without the movement of Rise and Sunbreak. The wirebug are your only saving grace from most of his attacks, and without them, you'd simply be wombo combo'd to death constantly. Primordial Malzeno's attacks are designed to punish mishandling of your wirebug usage, and if he was put in a game without wirebugs, he would probably be one of the most difficult hunts in the series.
Now, I get that Capcom would nerf Primordial just so players could properly keep up, but it would still be insanely difficult to predict his teleporting, avoid getting hit by 3 attacks in a row, and have to deal with nonstop speed and aggression for an entire final phase.
Old World players and even New World players would all have a hellish time trying to keep up.
He's very fun without wirebugs, give it a go. One of the most fair fights despite the difficulty.
He's not the hardest by any stretch. The fact that he is fought in a normal map with all the special tools available for you to use already makes him easier than any very hard arena fight that in turn restricts you. You also fight him with Fiorayne which doesn't scale up his HP but gives you more damage and utility overall
I beat him first try without carting. That could never happen with something like Alatreon or Fatalis
mind you, the rematches, Fiorayne ain't with you unless you put her in the hunt.
But yeah he isn't that hard, I believe the Hazard versions of him and Risen Shagaru are good contenders though
"hardest boss in monster hunter" when mhgu event alatreon.
EX bloodbath diablos
Wasn't worlds ala way wayyy harder and faster than any other.
@@CALAMITY0FHYRULE easier to dodge and dies quicker, technically hits harder but you have less defense in gu + no health boost so it ends up being the same or more for gu.
okay but TRI alatreon
Nergigante was my first proper wall, I actually quit World because I just wasn't good enough at the time to beat him. My friend found that the lbg was safer to use against him so he actually beat him for me. The funny thing is he didn't end up playing much Iceborne because he didn't enjoy the difficulty, whereas I kinda did. Nergigante & Ruiner ended up being two of my favourite monsters in World; both of which I ended beating with multiple weapons. Originally I would pull out the lbg if a monster was proving difficult, now I use Great Sword on everything. Recently got into Sunbreak & Primordial Malzeno definitely feels like a wall.
You see for Nergy it was the opposite, he gets utterly destroyed when he grows his white spikes and falls over when you break them. Then again i did have MH4U and MHGU under my belt when i played World so i already knew the general mindset to have when fighting a new monster. I just wish Nerg didnt fall over when you broke his Spikes cuz it can lead to stunlocking the poor guy
Your timing is perfect, I recently get into mh and got into mr and beat P Malzeno
Hey, you probably won't see this but this video genuinely helped me.
Rise is my first MH game, Pri-Mal was my wall for a while. Your video got recommended to me and it provided a lot of insight into the fight, namely with the combo at 4:34. I just beat him for the first time now and a large part of it is because of the things you talked about in this video that stuck with me. Thanks
White Nargacuga from Frontier Z: cute
Re: More HP =/= difficulty
I think it does, but not in the traditional sense most people will think of.
There are many types of difficulty and attention calibration is one of them, something that's not overly engaging but has a tonne of HP is boring, because it's too easy whilst simultaneously requiring all your attention.
However a difficult fight that also has a lot of HP, taps into a different aspect of difficulty that focuses more on your preparation (how well you design your build for the fight) and your ability to optimise exploiting the small windows you're given to get the maximum damage in, which comes from a deep understanding of your weapon and the monsters moveset beyond just reacting to the monster. It becomes more about predicting it in advance, and lining yourself up in advance. The higher HP pool forces you to get really good at this because you'll otherwise run out of time, or your attention/focus will gradually deteriorate, making you more likely to make mistakes, get complacent and punished for it.
This is why the special investigation monsters (after research level 300) are so difficult.
Burning freezing Elzelion wants to know your location
Shiten Dhisufiroa: "allow me to introduce myself"
That has to be the highest compliment Zamtrios has ever gotten. I don't think a single person on earth has ever said that about it before
I recently made the point that Primordial Malzeno is harder than Fatalis and got a little bit of push back.
At his core Fatalis has a very simple move set, while punishing, once you learn openings he becomes a lot easier. Add in his incredibly high hp pool and attack damage and I think that for most players hes more of a war of attrition than a mechanicaly tricky fight. Primordial Malzeno however is incredibly complex and leaves little to no breathing room, of course in Rise you also have more tools to deal with that complexity but I personally feel that this is part of learning curve and adds to the difficulty.
Just my opinion I suppose, difficulty will always be greatly subjective. Great video mate! :)
Indeed, the fatalis moveset is so limited and people tend to forget fatalis just hit hardand nothing more. Don't get me wrong, fatalis is also a big challnge but for different reasons
My issue with this logic is that a monster is at its hardest when u are first attempting to defeat it and master it. Players do this all the time every subsequent time u fight it, it becomes easier u cant speak of difficulty from that space its not valid. THE VAST majority of the mh player base COULD NOT defeat fatalis on release for a long time in a group MUCH LESS solo him.
Top players struggled for the first few hours on his release. You guys forget about this stuff.
Once players started to figure out how to beat him which that charge was lead by the most skilled players in the player base then ppl started winning and started saying he was easy no no no thats not how that works lol.
Malzeno was NOT causing such strife on release. To say he is harder than Icebourne fatty because u are now super familiar with his moveset is disingenuine at best.
How u handled the monster on your first meeting and fighting it is a far better measure of difficulty. Some monsters are so challenging they REQUIRE u know their moveset in order to stand a chance at winning many frontier monsters are like that so the gap between initial & mastery is much smaller in order to win. U do not need to have mastery over primals moveset to win or even close. Its hardest form can be baited and waited and u get a big opening to dish out dmg once exhuasted.
Move set complexity is not the only aspect of difficulty either, how hard they hit, how quick they are, the time limit allowed etc all these parameters define a hunt and its difficulty
honestly great point javi
I would say that hazard Risen Shagaru Megala is harder. The move set is tougher to learn, you get heavily punished for even the smallest mistake and the fight escalates further and further beyond the final phase of Primordial Malzeno.
This question was easy when you decided to show the easiest pattern to recognize of a dying elder dragon, and the fact that risen shagaru and valstrax are also in this game, and even then they still aren't the hardest unless we're talking rise in specific.
my favorite instrument is the bass
This guy absolutley rocked me, took a lot of attempts to finally beat it. I have only ever played Rise and Gen ultimate (the two MH games on switch) so im not aware of how hard other end game fights in the series can be. But im glad to see im not the only one who thought this fight was really hard if not the hardest in the game.
Another thing that i thought adds to the difficulty is that when you first fight him you are only allowed to bring Fiorayne, you cant bring any other companions. So not only do you have this insanley strong monster your also locked to fighting it with half of a hunting party when you first fight it.
the amount of hunts it took to get Primordial Blood Stones XD
I'm gonna say it, redirection is one of the most underrated skills in this game, this is one of the fights in which it shines the most
It's an awesome skill but unfortunately many late-game setups limit your ability to swap scrolls while maintaining offense. For instance Dragon Conversion
I feel like double level 140 apex rajang in 4u to me was a harder hunt especially solo.
"Now starts afflicting the bloodblight status effect"
Gunlance mains: laughs in insta full heal full burst
Fatalis is the hardest. It’s still common to fail that hunt as a group in MHW. Honestly you fail it more than you pass it💀
i eat primordial malzeno for breakfast. but plesioth still gives me nightmares.
My first wall was brachydios. It took me so much grinding to just not *time out* on the quest. I was terrified.
The only similar experiences ive had are mhworld fatalis and primordial. They nearly broke me. It was AMAZING.
have you beaten world fatalis solo?
It's way harder imo.
Rise gives you so many ways to elevate the difficulty through wirefalls, silkbind attacks and followers. World fatalis have cannons and ballistae but its overall way more difficult.
There's also world alatreon that gives you nothing and have a hard elemental damage check every 12 minutes.
Mentally deficient fivers man. Did you even watch the video?
World fatalis' difficulty mostly comes from his absurd damage and some imbalanced bs. Bad hitboxes, moves that do nothing but stall time, and stuff like the flinch grab punishing you for hitting the monster hard.
The saxophone has to be one of the shmexiest instruments to ever exist, piano is up there too
Gore Magala was the first "wall" I encountered when I was getting into MH4U as a kid. It forced me to realize that I just can't grab a hammer and bonk my way out of a fight, I have to actually study and learn the monster. It was one of the most satisfying wins when I finally beat him with barely anytime left.
I think this means we should put both Primal Malzeno and Zamtrios in Wilds :D
its called bloodblight, not bloodlust. Bloodlust is a shagaru magala thing, he makes players self inflict frenzy through the bloodluat skill on armor
All the Lance and Gunlance user out there smirking at our suffering, and then you have the samurai who farmed that thing.
There are actually four phases. The phase 2 you mentioned have an enraged phase where its moveset changes. But tbf if you can read the first phase, the remaining three phase are relatively easily readable too. Wouldn’t say it’s the hardest boss, tho, given sunbreak hunter is too op. Cough in Boltreaver Astalos cough cough bloodbath Diablo cough cough
The answer is no.
Play Frontier.
All the hardest monsters reside there.
Edit: And not just hardest MH monsters, but some of the hardest bosses in videogames, period.
I don’t see any world where Primordial is the hardest, you simply have too many tools to invalidate his moveset in Sunbreak. Also while his super combo is crazy at first, it’s fairly easy to dodge and he’s left open for a long ass time afterwards.
Monster hunter rise was my first monster hunter game. I had….some difficulty with primal malenzo but it wasn’t so hard. But dual blades kinda counters him as being in the air makes it so you can ignore attacks for a while, and the mobility helps too
I feel like the accordion is my favorite instrument to listen to, idk, it just kinda gives off a feeling you rarely hear in music, a feeling I feel, has yet to be explored
For me the wall was tigrex from freedom united...
Imagine not having the wirebugs. It's gonna be hell
I agree that Primordial is a challenge but personally I think it comes down to the area you fight him in, if you're in the citadel and you're fighting him in a really narrow/cramped area then your going to get pummelled but if you're in a wide area then he becomes easier. This is why I actually think the Hazard quest is easier than the base quest because the Hazard quest is set in the Forlorn arena which is very open.
I loved the white and still play against. The only nitpick is the amount knock down moves he has the completely unblockable laser beams.
Tri Barroth hit and moved like a train. My first wall for awhile.
I've always thought putting a snow rajang with insane staggers, 2 shot levels of damage and good mobility in a room full of tinier rajangs as your very first urgent quest was a horrific fate to put players through with like less than 10 hours of playtime, just to.. hit low rank HR2???? 😂...so yeah, Blagonga in MHGU/MHXX as a new player to the franchise is the hardest fight to me period 😌
i might've grown up to solo bully fatalis and alatreon regularly for fun in newer games but I'll NEVER forget how younger me was forever bullied by just a mere low rank urgent quest... good times fellas 😌
One of the only reasons I think the older games are harder is because you stand still for 3-5 seconds when you use items like potions so when you have to heal you have to have an opening
I could agree but the fact that I can for sure solo this monster (even the hazard quest) but can't solo fatalis on MH world proove that MH world Fatalis is (for me at least) the hardest boss in the series.
+ in rise you have toooooons of option to manage those hyper active monsters with 16 attack combo, in world you have the temporal mantle...
Risen val and risen shaggy is hard to be honest
I’d say my favorite instrument is also the piano. Played it in elementary and even though I didn’t keep up with it, it’s definitely a really cool instrument. As for walls, believe it or not, mine was Arzuros(I know, I was REALLY bad), after him it was Barroth, then qurupeco(my first game was 3U btw). But the most difficult monster in the series for me is World Alatreon, with a close second being Fatalis, and behind him it was Ivory Lagiacrus(he was a complete menace in the mark of a hero quest). From a more objective standpoint though, the most difficult fight in the series has gotta be one of the “Extreme Individuals” from Frontier based on what I’ve heard and seen.
The big wall monster at the start of my Monster hunter journey was anjagath or however you say the flame Rex name, I had like 5 hours I base MHW and in all of monster in general, and I was not prepared for the T-Rex, but now I have I think like at least 1800 hours in MHGU, MHWI and MHRS and I have gotten to the point where I can trivialize Primordial Malzeno... of course I do need followers and I did die a lot at the start of it when I fought it with my friends, but now I full Primordial Malzeno gear and nearly every weapon from it.
Primordial Malzeno is indeed one of the hypest fights in this game.
I also enjoy the piano. I am a pianist. Guitar, drums, bass also fun.
Personally, i think that Primordial malzeno is my favorite monster by design. It's fast. it's crazy, and it looks absolutely stunning.
But i beat it second try and then was able to beat it consistently afterward getting the full set.
Id say that for me the hardest monster is fatalis from world which took me 2 years to beat.[on and off playing but still probably around 100 attempts at least]
I like watching videos like this just so i can learn how people perceive the game. Thank you for making it.
When i did Primordial Malzeno in the story he was super easy so i imediatly went to the Advanced version on the forlon arena and... he was still very easy, Nothing in Sunbreak came close to the difficulty of Alatreon, Fatalis or some Arch Tempered Elders... i probably just got much better at monhun overall, but figuring out wich attacks were safe to counter was actually cool.
Alatreon and Fatalis are difficult because they purposefully go against the traditional hunting system, were Malzeno to have a shorter time limit or DPS check, he'd be viewed as much harder
Nah I was able to solo Hazard Malzeno but I still cant solo Fatalis or Alatreon in iceborne. Its not your skill that got better, its just Primordial is not as hard compared to Fatalis or Alatreon.
@maverickckj adversely, my friend 1st tried Fatalis and then spent 10 hours trying to be Primordial.
He has become my favourite Sunbreak Fight for sure. Immense pressure the whole way through but it just has something very rewarding about it to fight him and come out on top. Learning to deal with phase 3 was a real pain in the beginning though. I don't know how often I carted against that angry boi
The hardest one was Yian Kut-ku on MH Freedom ;-;
The piano too, many years learning it and still i'm a total newbie.
All the comments about Frontier Z make me wanna play it but I have no idea how
came here for primordial malzeno glazing, can't believe I've been clickbaited like this
To me Primezeno isnt the hardest. To me, risen valstrax will always be my bane. That thing hits like a truck despite not having multiple chained attacks like primezeno.
I dunno bout the hardest, but seeing his wings fold up and teleporting for the first time was insane. Certainly top 3 coolest things ive seen a monster do. Made me do a mental double take, to make sure i saw that right.
This is the best monsters for Longsword 😂
I was able to pull an Ultra Instinct with SSJ 3 cosplay fighting this boss many times.
Anyone who says high hp is not a factor in difficulty doesn’t understand difficulty. “Patience” is not what’s being tested, especially when paired with any kind of timer. Ditto high damage. This is not a matter of “our opinions our equally valid”, it’s observable, demonstrably, and experimentally untrue. “Difficulty” as a concept is a measure of qualitative or quantitative success rate, and it is a known and understandable factor around which games are carefully and intentionally designed. “Artificial Difficulty” does not refer to intentional or designed numerical balancing-it refers to unintentional sources of difficulty-like stick drifting, glitches, or frame drops.
Primordial Malzeno doesn’t even come close to being the most difficult fight in the series. Primordial Malzeno, even Hazard Primordial is not even the hardest single fight *in Sunbreak*, which is easily understandable when engaging with higher level Anomaly Investigations or EX Investigations, which cannot be arbitrarily discounted. Not because of the numbers are the sole determining factor but because pretty much everyone is going to empirically fail more frequently-while subjectivity is a factor it’s not *that* subjective. There’s science in the art.
Anecdotally, it took me over a week to beat Fatalis in Iceborne, and I defeated Primordial Malzeno in a single attempt-are you really going to be compare the two? This isn’t because of my experience levels-if I go fight them back to back right now, with *more* Fatalis experience and *more* playtime in World, I will struggle much more with Fatalis. Primordial is not even as hard as Teostra in 4U. The pace of action does not equal difficulty; many easier action games are faster paced than MonHun, that was *never* what defined MonHun’s difficulty.
If you want to know how hard they are in comparison then just go back and fight Zamtrios again. I say the elders in 4U’s G rank are way harder because… I’m playing 4U’s G rank right now, after Sunbreak. It’s harder. The reason it’s harder is the scaling and the player controls and options. Something like Rusted Kushala feels unbearably aggressive, and demands continuous perfection else I get obliterated by attrition if nothing else.
If that's the case what about try fighting Special Investigation Shagaru Magala, 25 minute time limit, 0 faint condition?(they do exist!) Or Special Invs Valstrax with the same thing.
For just quest alone may even be able to find a special investigation Risen Shagaru, Velk, Apex Zinogre, and Pri Mal Special investigation with the same conditions I listed before.
A mod may allow for a similar experience with Pri Mal though he wasn't made into anomaly monster.
Difficulty is subjective based on gear too.
Some may beat Fatty first try and struggle against PriMal, Risen Shagaru etc based on how long they've played monster hunter in general.
@@themeekkat Indeed!
That being said though, I’ve never seen anyone ever beat Fatalis on their first try, blind. Like, ever. I’m not saying it’s never happened, but I’m not aware of it having been done.
I remember when it first dropped and it took CantaPerMe 8 hours. I’m sure similar would be true if special investigations were the only forms that things like Risen Shagaru took, but the the investigation system by its nature, as well as the optional quest existing, sort of ensures that people will be incrementally introduced to such difficulty and thus not be as blindsided by it.
Faint conditions and time limits and multiple monsters are definitely real difficulty conditions, but if we’re comparing “which monster is harder than another” more than likely what matters is how hard they are by themselves. After all, I’m sure having to fight Fatalis with another monster around would be a special kind of brutal (modded quests demonstrate this very clearly, lol)
In as far as gear is concerned, my gear was well past MR100 and pretty much maxed out for Fatty (aside from lacking Fatalis or AT Velk gear); PriMal I took on well before Scorned, so that’s not the reason.
The way i would try to rate each monsters difficulty is depending on how high they make these stats
Movement speed
Attack speed
Attack cool down
Punish window length
Damage
HP
Status conditions
Unique mechanics
I think these stats are a good way to measure monster difficulty.
i just beat this monster yesterday. it took me 5 tries to beat it, it gave me way more trouble than any other fight in the game.
Laughs in Iceborn Fatalis and Alatreon and all Frontier endgame
Alatreon is way easier than malzeno 😂
Alatreon and Fatalis are easy. It would be more correct that they are poorly designed fights 😂
@@sephatu6521 same could be said about Malzeno AND the wirebugs
@@Drakromdemonah yes hiding behind wall for the scripted flamenovas are fun 😂
@@Drakromdemon hahahaha Malzeno poorly designed fight? Either you are just a world fanboy or never played rise, maybe both.
As someone who played sunbreak recently, I'm going to say hes mainly super hard at first when you just got out of mr 6 and are trying to fight him, but once you get higher level armor and doesn't 2 shot you with basic hits, he becomes a lot easier
So basically like any other monster in the series
Oh god i haven't fought primordial malzeno yet and quite frankly im scared
I breezed through rise and most of sunbreak until I hit Amatsu, which is actually my favorite monster. It beat my ass so hard it took me two days before I managed to beat it once.
Then i unlocked Primordial and proceeded to laugh-cry at how difficult it was. It reminded me of Elden Ring SOTE Radahn, overwhelming
I bashed my head against it for three days until i finally beat it, only to hear later that youre meant to progress anomaly investigations first
Dont tell him about Frontier Z
The moment they announce Thunderthigh Plesioth in Wilds, it will be the end of the world as we know it.
Not sure about hardest, but definitely one of my favourite fights in MH. It tells a story through the way the fight progresses. Amazing fight design for Primordial Mal.
Primordial is hard.... but alatrion took me way longer to beat
people bringing up fatalis are silly that fight isnt actually that hard its just punishing and requires you to play aggressively. Molton Tigrex G rank is harder imo than iceborne fatalis
The drums but piano is a close second! Also I think if I had to pick the tricky monster for me due to my low number of hours/first game it has to be ivory lagiacrus. That was just me getting beat down over and over and over again. I did eventually win and my love for monster hunter was set in stone.
7:02 Bruh me struggling with a friggin anjanath while beating a rathian in the process