Honda Civic - Crank / No Start
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2024
- Come along with Eric O. at the SMA shop as he has a look at this 2004 Honda Civic that was towed in with a "crank no start" It is not your typical timing belt or fuel pump but a rather unusual problem. Let's see what we find!
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What I see as so great is you find the problem, but you only perform the most necessary repair, thinking of the customer need for economical repairs. You are a good man Eric O.
Just started watching about 2 weeks ago.great videos .nice to see a family run business just doing right by the people. Can't stop watching I'm hooked.nice job.
lol sorry for the addiction!
npfd568rc Carful he will have you buying tools that you never knew that you needed...lol
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I have 2001 Honda Civic. Car doesn't starts in the cold weather. When the weather is good, it starts usually. What could be reason?
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Said by every Asian Hooker in Toronto at some point during the appt.
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Updated: Replaced my MAP sensor. That did it. Problem fixed.
Hello SMA and anyone with insight, I have a crank and no start issue. I saw your other video on the Civic that had a broken Timing Belt. My '05 Pilot doesn't make that noise when I crank.
It all started when I had a p0172 and p0458, no EGR codes. I checked and replaced my spark plugs, the EVAP solenoid valve (Honda OEM) and cranked, no start.
I checked my coils with a volt meter and they all have resistance. To eliminate an issue with ignition, I sprayed starter fluid in the Throttle and it wanted to start. So that led me to believe it was a fuel issue.
I checked all the fuses with a tester related to the ignition and fuel injection. They're ok. I even replaced them.
My fuel pump does come on. i checked my fuel pressure with a gauge, and I have 50psi. I did notice my fuel gauge on the cluster fluctuate as I crank so I'm not sure if it's the Fuel Pump Relay, the Fuel Pump itself or the EGR. It's kinda hard to work in thw cold and rain on the side walk. Wished I parked in my driveway car port...ty for any help.
Thank you so much, Eric. For doing this video. I happen to replace the camshaft seal and the EGR gasket. Due to an oil leak. After I was done the car ran normally for 15-20 minutes. Then it began to have the same problems as that Civic you worked on in this video. So I pull out that, EGR Valve and clean it as you did. Afterward, the car started normally and did the same procedures as you did. By removing the FI-ECU fuse. The car started normally again. Took it around the neighborhood then it almost died again at the first two stop signs. Once I got home I turn it off and on several times. It started normally. By then It was already Midnight. Tomorrow I am going to drive it around the neighborhood again to see how it behaves. Anyway, once again thank you so much. I was lucky to find this video. It sure cut down my stress level by a ton.
Great answer "Not done with Mrs. O forever" 😆
I get in trouble for being that clever.
sometimes I get in trouble too
Really saved me a trip to the mechanics, I can’t thank you enough, spent hours going thru everything, and boom I go on yt and stumbled upon this video!!! Saved my life!!
One cool thing is if someone thinks your cheating them.You can tell them go look on your TH-cam channel and see what you did.Very cool.
G'day, Eric! I was looking for running a Peterbilt truck, and started watching, Road Trip: Wrecker Call! (but found, Another Day In The Shop (1 Hour Special) .... "Vanessa O. Takes Matters Into Her Own Hands")
How, I can't stop watching, really brightens my day, when I'm feeling down! It's so wonderful to see family run businesses! Just doing right by the people... What An Awesome Job!!
But, Mrs. O. is a scene stealer.
The big thanks goes out to Mr. & Mrs. O!! (The best!)
Cheers! :-)
Thanks for this video Eric, it was literally the exact same thing that happened to my sisters car recently and I spent quite a bit of time trying to figure it out. I've been watching the your videos for a while but this old gem came to the rescue. Darn chunk of carbon in the egr!
Ditto on the brake clean! I kept waiting with anticipated excitement to hear the brake clean music!
8 hours straight. Only car I worked on today was your car, mam. Total dedication.
Honda EGR valve lift sensor voltage should not exceed 1.25V at idle. Anything higher and the valve is considered stuck open. I had one a few years ago with a chunk of carbon like that. Doesn't happen too often, good work!
I love mrs. O. Sorry, mr. O, but she brings the production quality up with her smile.
Eric, hopefully your kids and/or nephew or niece will want to learn from you. Even if they don’t become mechanics, this is some valuable knowledge for anyone to have.
Sounds like a Harley not a Honda.
Harley motor is a poor excuse for a air compressor ...
What's the difference between a Harley and a kirby vacuum? The position of the dirt bag...
I ride one...
A Kirby?
@@mistermatsuda An overpriced Vacuum cleaner.
That's a good one!
@@Cheepchipsable Ya i know that. I was asking if he rides a Kirby. I guess I should've said "you ride a kirby?".
LOL
I like the banter between you and your wife. don't lose it.
Dude, I'm MASSIVELY impressed! Love the Sherlock Holmes routine, and there's nothin' like an honest mechanic! Excellent video. Thank you for the knowledge!! (And inspiration)
great call on EGR valve. Thanks for sharing your diagnostic process.Cheers
That was a nice break for the customer. Thanks for the before and after data.
22:35 I could feel the heat from that sarcastic burn all the way up here in Rochester :D
I love your interactions with your wife! made my day !
Just think there was a day before the EPA started mandating emission standards and cars didn't have EGR valves. Of course, the engines were easier to work on back then and this problem would not have existed. Thank you government! Having said all of that Eric O is one good mechanic!
Now I guess you can "Breathe easy". lol.
Dang it! I saw the title and got all excited you were working on your new Honda... eagerly awaiting the next chapter on it. :)
I was wondering when you'd read the trims. But, still, good approach. That's fun.
5:57 EGR lift 3.85....dead giveaway..great diagnosing.
After working at a car stereo/alarm shop, I take anything, of any value, out of my vehicle, before taking it into any shop. I saw many of our ‘techs’ (I use that term loosely) steal just about everything out of cars. Money, candy, CD’s, cigarettes, tools, drugs, credit cards, etc.
One day, a cop brought his personal car in, to be worked on. For some stupid reason, he left a pistol under the front seat. One of our techs stole all of the bullets out of it. I can just imagine his surprise, when it went “click” instead of “bang”.
Another time, one of our techs stole a one quart container of mercury, out of the trunk of a customer’s car. He walked around the shop, office and showroom, pouring it out, because it “looked really cool, when it hit the floor”. We all got three days off, without pay, while the owner had a hazmat company decontaminate the building.
I know that mechanics are probably a more trustworthy bunch, but I have no more trust after seeing those customer’s cars being pillaged.
😲🤯
Can only imagine what the cylinder head egr port is looking like possibly mite happen again. Anyways still another good diagnosis Eric great job.
I was still at fuel, spark, timing, mechanical, when you had already made the leap to EGR simply based on the presentation. We all thought, how'd he know that? Was it the intermittent, terrible running, responds to throttle presentation that made you think of it? Now I've got EGR on the brain, it won't get out of my head for weeks. Great video.
Just go open the EGR on your car and see how it runs. MAP engines have a pretty distinct way of running with an open EGR.
Plus I probably have been burned by one as a young tech so it gets stuck in your head haha
Thank you not only I learned you save my family a lot of money🤗👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
On older cars with bypass air, a crank, no start, follow by a crank start WITH accelerator pedal applied and a poor idle is typical of a stuck closed bypass valve. This would result in very high cranking vacuum.
Most cars these days use electronic throttle control which eliminates the bypass valve.
After carbon chunk removal- you missed an excellent opportunity to use Brake Cleaner. Rookie
Was thinking the same thing lol
If it is out, and fixed, maybe a cleaning of the built up carbon on the inside of the assembly ?
It's maybe a 20 minute job.
Make sure it will not happen again in the near future.
I was thinking the same thing. The EGR valve had a lot of bolt heads showing, so maybe it could be taken apart and cleaned. Even the pintle valve had a 6 point recess for a drive to remove.
Personally, I wouldn’t muck around disassembling stuff if it still works. Wait till it dies, or find a dead one, pull that apart, and see if there’s anything you need to watch out for. Unless it’s very cheap, then you might as well just smash a new one in anyway, and make sure the problem doesn’t come back.
I’m probably being overly cautious here, personally, I love tearing shit apart, there are few things I love more in life than pulling stuff apart and finding out how it works. But it would suck to fix something dumb like this, only to think ‘hey, I might be nice and tear it down, clean it out properly’ only to break something in the process.
Believe me, I know the temptation, but try to resist it, unless the thing is just grossly dirty and clogged anyway. And in that case, you’ve probably got bigger fish to fry. This just looks like standard carbon build up from a well running engine. It’s not always worth cleaning out every last bit, especially if the part still works.
I’m not a professional mechanic, I’m only a home gamer, but I would be careful about this sort of stuff. As tempting as it may be to nip other stuff up and be a good mechanic for your customer, some customers cannot be reasoned with, and will throw a fit if you do something they didn’t ask for, even if you’re not charging for it, and even if it needed doing. Fix what you are asked to fix, and precisely no more, or less. By all means ask the customer if you see something, and by all means don’t charge for it, but don’t think you’re doing the right thing by ‘surprising’ them.
I know, it’s stupid, but this is how the public is. Personally I’d be chuffed if my mechanic took initiative and nipped other stuff up. Other people decidedly are not, because they know best, even if their engine is full of sludge. Seems they forget ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’ does not mean ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t maintain’.
I could be full of shit, though. But this is how I’d swing it if I ever were a professional. Not that I’m smart enough for any of that, though.
i was disappointed no brake clean.
Great Job
Yeah I really expected him to clean of the EGR valve with some of the good stuff.
+aldonco
Yes, I miss seeing the animation of this on " Thomas EXOVCDS " channel.
+aldonco
Wow....and NO bashing ETCG yet?!!?!?!?!?!
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This video is full of good info. Thanks Eric.
That was a great call Eric. I was thinking stuck IAC when you first started it, but you nailed it right away! Great video!
Simple but important lesson. Cool carbon chunk capture on the pintle. Thanks!
don't see that to often
On 90s Toyotas, there's a vacuum solenoid that pulls on the EGR. This solenoid is known to go bad, and can easily be tested with a hand vacuum pump. My 95 Corolla was throwing an OBD1 code for EGR failure, so I thought I needed a new EGR,valve. But when I looked up the EGR test in the Toyota service manual, I realized that it was actually my EGR actuator solenoid valve. Much cheaper fix.
Something also common on 90s Toyotas, at least Corollas and Previas, is that the intake passages clog with carbon and cause EGR flow to be "insufficient" and throws its own separate code. I cleaned my intake manifold in addition to the EGR actuator and don't have any codes anymore! Had I not cleaned the intake passages, I am certain I would've been faced with an insufficient flow code.
On my 1995 Previa, it is throwing me an insufficient flow code. Its EGR works exactly like the Corolla's, so I performed the EGR tests and confirmed that I need to clean out the intake manifold
Mrs. O is awesome !
Eric, I love all your videos. They're awesome, I've learned so much. I'm doing my first brakes for the first time this weekend thanks to you. Too bad you're 4 hours away from me, I would love to take my cars to your shop.
Glad to hear it is helping you out
You are the man .we the people in indiana needs a good mech like you are. I will say one thing you know how to make thing come back a live keep up the good work and keep it real
Thanks for the Radio Code Tip.. got the wife's accord radio going again..
Yet again a wonderful and honest Eric O not charging the customer for what they don't need. I'd bet money on just about any other shop charging them for a new EGR valve. Bravo sir!
Hi Eric, Awesome video Thank you, I own a 2003 Honda Civic, And this morning it didn't want to start, When it finally did it was Iddleling very rough, and when I pressed on the gas It didn't want to accelerate, it bagged down it shut down. I'm going to look at the EGR valve and see if that's the problem. Thank you for your video. If you have any other Tips please advise. I really appreciate all your help.
you make everything looks so easy!!!! awesome mechanic!!!!
experience.
Love watching the videos !!! You and Mrs. O are two very awesome people and so funny lol. Thanx again for the entertainment and information !!!
brill that was ,I would not believe that bit off carbine would have caused that if our mechanics saw that they would have put in a new one regardless because there greedy but not you Mr O.hats off to you.
chevy S-10 4.3 did that all the time. Tomco carburator parts offered a new EGR valve gasket with a screen on it....POOF fixed!
Never had this before: I just got a crank no start on an 05 Legacy 2.5. Pulled small timing cover and saw the that the belt wasn't moving while cranking and the accessory belts weren't turning. Pulled the entire cover off and the timing notches were all frayed off at the crank....weird, I thought. Tensioner was weeping a bit, but no bearings/idlers were bad and the belt had less than 20k on it. Leak down test on passenger checked out while on the driver's side it showed a leak on cylinder 4 (towards the firewall). Pulled the driver's head and started replacing the valve until I noticed that the camshaft was having a real hard time turning over even though all the lifters were removed. Went deeper and pulled the cam to find the culprit: oil starvation to a couple of the mating surfaces almost seized the camshaft. The weakest link was the belt after trying to turn the non-lubricated cam. Solution: grab a head from a core I had lying around (2001), drill out and tap an EGR hole. Running like a champ! Tell wife and her reply was "Greeeaaaat....remember that tomorrow you're watching the kids so I can see 'Beauty and the Beast' with my sister."
Rodrigo Sagebin I did lol
Rodrigo Sagebin feel your pain, I'm swapping awd Trans in a caliber, along with a bad k member, basically everything from intake and exhaust manifold all but 1 motor mount, and rad hoses. half shafts transfer case steering rack, brakes control arms, sway bar link ends, I'm sure I'm missing something else, needless to say many hours of dissembly, wife asks, did you get back together yet, I say no, tell her what I've done so far, she says I've reassembled it 2x in my head already, what's taking so long... I grind my teeth and nicely ask, would you like to finish where I left off. no response..
Rodrigo Sagebin what caused the oil starvation?
Diagnosed my 2000 Honda accord 2.3 same exact way confirmed with a code reader live data, intake temp at 300 degrees, fuel trim short and long at around -19 also engine load read at 48% at idle, I had a check engine light for a p1399 only , all is good now after a little egr cleaning
Great diagnosis Dr. O.
So quick I thought I was watching a Scotty Kilmer vid. LOL!!!!!
Sweet find Eric! Awesome to show something with such slim chances of happening...Mrs. O was definitely impressed! ~Mike
I know right? What are the odds of that happening in a drive thru haha
I would have tried to actuate the valve with a scan tool (If it could be done) before pulling it, never would have caught that!
Eric you are the "engine whisperer"
Not only did the 200k Hondoo not need any parts but you didn't have to disassemble half the stuff on the engine to get to the EGR valve as you might on say a Chrysler product. Go Honda. It's interesting, and no surprise, how many mechanics that work on all makes and models own Hondas.
I own Honda and Yota myself :)
I had this happen on my sons '01 Sentra (rough running, EGR code). Carbon flaked off and jammed the valve open. I removed the carbon and cleaned it as best I could scraping with a screwdriver, reinstalled the valve and it jammed again a few miles later. I soda blasted the inside of the valve chamber because it was coated with a layer of carbon (I had to prop the valve open). Been fine ever since.
Wow..... Surprised that thing even came with a radio. That thing is the definition of base!
Good tutorial on EGR, One page of notes written.
Morning Mr. O. I was relaxing and watching your new process 261 video when the notification hit. A brand new sma video! Great way to relax and unwind after battling a nissan maxima all day. Have a great day, sir.
love the channel. We may have higher negative pressure if we block the throttle. for cranking vacuum test.
Good call on the EGR Valve Eric O Pretty Bad @14:43 @SouthMainAutoRepairLLC
To extend on your Honda radio code knowledge, most of the time you can find the code for the radio (and the GPS code if applicable) on a little white sticker somewhere on the car. Usually it is stuck on the sidewall of the glovebox either on the inside or outside (I've seen it on both). Another spot would be on the inside of the fuse panel lid under the hood. You're welcome :)
Hey Eric O,
I used a trick that you demonstrated on a video a while back. A Jeep that I was working on had a tie rod ball joint stud that was spinning with the nut. I put a box wrench on the nut and my impact on the 10 mm stud and reversed the direction. Worked like a charm and spun right off! Saved me a ton of time and energy! Thanks much
I love what you do and the way you do it. You remind me of the way I do things in my shop. The same conclusions in a very similar way. Before I started watching your videos, I was planning to retire. It's been put on hold.
I'm shocked that Brake Clean didn't make an appearance in this video. I was on the edge of my seat waiting for you to break it out! LOL!
Lol awww man sorry to leave ya hangin!
sounds like Eric o needs to invest in a starter button, on some cars it's really hard to get to the starter but a lot of cars it's worth it to go to the starter or just the relay. to be able to crank a moter or just bump it over, but then we wouldn't be able to say hello to you're awesome wife. I love that you include her in you're videos. because behind every successful man is a good woman,
Well I do have a few remote start buttons but like you say, usually the starter is buried. So I just use Mrs.O!
Great job Eric! Nice boots Mrs. O!
Hi Eric O so good to be watching your program I’m a local car fix a upper lots of time I ran into problem and always have to check in with your video for help which always do, I must say u r quite a guy, love your patience, hope to meet u some day
I totally forgot about the EGR valve. when that was suggested by Eric O, I immediately agreed, since I had an EGR problem with my toyota and it displayed similar symptoms. great vid.
Hey there viewers and welcome back to the south main auto channel 😁
If this guy isnt the most likable mechanic in the world, I don't know who is
Wouldn't it be convenient to have cleaned the EGR valve with brake cleaner then let it sit for at least 30 minutes?
Amsoil power foam is better. Been there.
I bet you learned that sweet Honda radio code life hack from your grandma.
Mrs "O" got in the Honda and immediately went into "Ohh whats in here?" mode...ditto on my wife..thanks for the little lesson on vacuum gauges.... mine just lives in the drawer like a vampire stuck in Florida...
'OHH and could you lift that car next time..you make MY back hurt just watching you...
if I have a lot of work to do on them I do lift them a bit
My daughters Chevy equanx ran like crap with a bad egr valve. I couldnt believe it was doing what it was doing as far as bad running and set a code. We scanned it,found the issue,replaced it and back to the road again. I have cleaned the one in my Trailblazer,no issues.
Love your vids......I do all of my own repairs,,,,have for 30 years now and I will say your a grade A mechanic with no reservations!!!!! TY sir for your vids, and thank your wife tooo.... she seems nice and she is part of the recipe that makes your shop so great...TY Sir and Miss! Great vids!
I need to retract my statement about you wife,,,,she steals money from peoples car seats....she is EVIL! LOL!!!! Peace....TY for all you do!
At the beginning of the video it sounds like you are saying "Welcome to Self Made Auto." Not that there's anything wrong with that, but as Mrs. O might say, " you need to annunciate a widdle bit better."
Need to having a 2005 Honda Civic ex special edition 1.7l . I replaced head gasket and water pump and timing belt and gaskets myself. After setting timing and valve gap I have crank no start. Fist crank it started for 3-5 seconds and died and never restarted. I never had any trouble before doing this work with the car just coolant overflow would come out and overheat the engine and I would park it. It doesn’t have a reall good compression but I think it never did but use to run ok. My question is after checking I had fuel spark and new cam sensor and rechecked timing and valve gap after no start it was all ok but no start. Your video shows using a vacuum gauge after the purge solenoid and you have 2 1/2 inches and I checked mine and I have zero. What am I missing? What could make my car not have any reading on gauge when cranking? Any suggestions would help and I appreciate your videos. Thanks
Thank you! I’ll let you know if this helped! It definitely taught me a thing or two. 💕
Radio code for Hondas can be found on a sticker in the glove box as well...usually
"No, I was talking to the people." If I had a camera, I'd carry it with me everywhere.
Your advertisements are giving you competition haha. Toyo tires ad reminds me of Blocks' Gymkhana 7. Quite entertaining...
Same EXACT thing happened to my daughters Accord. Dealership wanted $300 for parts, labor and diagnosis. I fixed it in 15 minutes. No parts needed. Friggin' thieves.
Rob, buddy. How the duck did you do it?! My civic has the same issue but it won’t even idle. Just Cranks, backfires and dies.
There was a chunk of carbon holding the EGR valve open. I just knocked it out, cleaned it up a bit and bolted the valve back on. Ran great.
Mrs O missed a trick there, she should have been swapping all the good parts on to her Civic!!
WhitwellMike B that’s what she was snooping for 😂
great video thanks for taking your time to educate us all.
He say, ugh mf! while busting a bolt loose a dirty mechanic of my own heart.
Next SMA video: battery maintenance on Honda civic, lol. Saw this same thing on an older Saturn with a vacuum operated valve, wouldn't even allow the engine to run. Nice presentation on the repair, always like your videos.
Nice work.Great video Eric
Why not go ahead and spray some carb cleaner on that thing while you had it out?
Mrs O's a charmer!
uhoh, a hondon't-civturd. @1:41 a worn out stock model T runs smoother :)
it just needs a weekly "italian tune-up"
What scan tool are you using? I love the live data reading on the tablet! (I wouldn't be surprised if you have a video explaining the scan tool, I just haven't seen it yet). Thanks!
Mrs. O. was more interactive for the people today!
I tell her to keep the people happy :)
this happened to my 2009 honda civic... no engine light or codes.....just would not idle......thanks for the video....
lol, you can learn alot about someone from the interior of the car like the dry fluids caked into the seats
For corrupt shops will need parts replacement and no more hours charged but for honest shops no new parts require and correct hours billing.
Quick fixes are very soothing - and cheap
A good none scan tool diag can be done with cold eng, start vehicle (assistant is necessary) and feel the egr pipe close to the intake. If it gets hot right away, there's egr flow and there shouldn't be. Stays cold...no flow.
did you clean it with something before you put it back
Hey Eric I’m looking to buy a little Honda CRV from about 1998 to 2004 because I like the older ones better because of less computer crap. Everything I’ve look at is anywhere from 69000 miles to 250.000 miles with either 4wheel to two wheel drive. What is the most common problem with them or what should I look for so as not to buy. Thanks for any info. Wayne
Thanks for the awesome vid! A hoodie from SMA is on my Christmas wish list.