I’d change Doc’s final smash to be similar to Ness/Lucas’s final smash, just instead of raining PK Starstorm shots it’s raining large multicolored pills. I would make it a controllable final smash where you could choose where you want to drop the pills. But if I want to keep Final Smashes the way they are in Ultimate, which is fast and to the point ( which still doesn’t explain why Peach’s final smash is still the same! This goes for Daisy as well ), this is an ok compromise. Besides, in the Dr.Mario games he drops the pills from the TOP of the screen.
i would change all other player's character to one certain color and have their color come from all directions and have their attacks be weaker and some not work because it takes away body parts considering on position
If I was redesigning Doc's, it'd suck enemies trapped in the attack towards the middle, deal less damage per-hit, and at the end, delivers a nasty hitbox that deals great damage & knockback.
I'd make it so that doc rushes forward and slaps any foes he touches into the bottle thingy that he throws pills in to get rid of viruses. Then he would pile in a bunch of viruses and pills until the whole thing explodes into a colorful mess.
Ultra Vulpix In Smash lingo, it’s short for neutral aerial. It’s the attack you get when your character is the air and you press the primary attack button without tilting the control stick at all. If your stick is tilted down, you get a downward aerial or “dair.” If it’s tilted the direction your character is facing, you get a forward aerial or “fair,” so on and so forth.
Dr. Mario's Nair actually does more damage closer to the end of the attack, unlike most fighters, and his side special has less horizontal range than Mario's, but more vertical range
Nah more like this Mario: Who are-a you Doctor Mario :Im-a you but from a differnt timeline were we have-a different careers and my job-its-a better than YOU PLUMBER ME!
@@OMORIDAILYNEWS Dr. Mario isn't better. In Melee, this is debatable, but since Smash Wii U, Mario wins. No matter what, if you can't stay on stage in Smash, you lose. Mario has more than enough tools in the game to keep Dr. Mario off the stage and pretty much has no reason to ever lose.
@@dontegraves5051 "Funny... everything you just said was wrong." Mario may have better recovery but that doesn't automatically make him better. Especially since Doc's recovery is so much better than people seem to think. A Doc main may have to play riskier or more carefully when fighting Mario but its not black and white like you make it sound... it all comes down to skill. If Dr. Mario can avoid getting knocked off-stage, or play smart when he does, a Mario main wouldn't have that much of an advantage, especially when Doc can tear through stocks very quickly... it just requires an opening.
The main reason Dr mario is that low is because of his horrible recovery. Because of his low jumps, slower air speed, and the less distance traveled with his up special, he can almost never make it back to the stage, gimping him is extremely easy. This is even WITH doc's down special, which regular mario doesnt have. If doc could actually recover, he would be instantly much higher on the tier list and could actually rival mario.
I mean, that would be nice, but it wouldn't work for most stages since the pills would have to fall on a flat surface, also, semi solid platforms would be an F for doc
One’s a doctor. The end. Edit: it would be cool to see doctor mario have an original moveset, like using a stethoscope or vaccine needles to attack people with
Diagnosis - Doctor Mario (Doc) releases viruses from his coat. After 5 seconds, anyone hit or infected by a user hit is given cancer (virus) Cancer repeatedly damages the infected, at around 10% per second for 5 seconds. After five seconds, infected players will be launched. (I wrote this on the toilet)
so many characters in ultimate made me almost forget Dr Mario exists. I used him in melee back when just cuz I thought throwing pills at people was funny.
Are you kidding? No difference with Nair! Here are the differences I found: -The sweet spot of Dr. Mario's version is at the end of the attack. -The sweet spot of Mario is at the start. -Dr. Mario's version is dealing more damage at the end of the attack. And just for your information, all the differences with the Nair is in the "Tips section" of the game! But, it's ok. Everyone makes mistakes! ;)
I find the Final Smashes humorous though. Both of their Neutral Specials are iconic, fire and pills. And Final Smashes which are activated by the neutral special button are super powered beefed up versions of their respective iconic power.
I had a dream once where docs final smash was changed, he flipped out his white cape and captured enemies into a big pill bottle and then using both of his arms, rapidly launched various pills into it and cause repeated damage until the bottle burst open... I still think about it sometimes
I think Mario's Final Smash really fits his "everyman" status. It's a fairly basic, suped-up version of his Neutral B. Rather than a reference to anything in particular, it's more so an introduction to the concept of Final Smashes. I do think Doc's could be something more unique, though.
@@Dragoryu3000 that's a good analysis! (Although it doesn't reference anything specific in particular, it does reference his iconic fire powers he's had since Super Mario Bros.) He's also had it since Brawl and I think it was the very first Final Smash revealed and shown off
I would've preferred Dr. Mario to keep the speed and recovery of Mario. It would make it so Dr. Mario could actually be decently high on the tier list as a harder hitting but less combo-focused version of Mario. I don't know why Nintendo hasn't implemented these changes as it wouldn't make Dr. Mario broken and would make pretty much everyone happy, including myself as I've found myself wanting to play the character on multiple occasions but then I realize he sucks and just play Mario instead.
Unpopular opinion: I don’t want doc to change,I like him just the way he is. Being slower,Stronger,Bad recovery and Low-Bottom tier but seeing him change would be cool!
2:10 I'm gonna stop you right there buddy... Dr. Mario's neutral air has more power at the latter end of the hitbox. Unlike Mario's where its stronger at the start and the late hit is weaker, Doc is weaker at the start and stronger with the late hit. 3:30 "nothing meaningful"... except Doc's pill is easier to follow up with since the vertical knockback inadvertently leaves them more open to attack, since they can't react as quickly with aerial hitstun and it has a more favorable angle. 4:59 Doc's down throw has a more vertical knockback angle, more knockback, but less knockback scaling. This means it can be a reliable combo starter even at higher percentages... Mario, meanwhile, launches at a diagonal angle which pretty much removes all combo potential when the oppenent is past 60%-100%
If I would change Dr. Mario dash attack, he could use a clip board to bash the appoint and give it a bit vertical launch distant and help him to make some set ups. This idea was from Kirby's Doctor Ability from Planet Robobot.
Unsure if it's been said, but Dr. Mario's pills also cannot be absorbed like Mario's Fireballs can. They count as physical projectiles, rather than energy projectiles which affects how you deal with them.
Hey, just a little info on the pill and fire neutral bs, when going up against Game and watch, GW’s bucket absorbs the fireballs, while reflects the pills.
Both are very offensive, the difference is that Mario has frequent but short bursts of damage because he gets a follow up out of like everything, doc doesn’t have frequent but short bursts, he does however have more damage output which makes up for it, the real difference is how they get in and how many times they need to get in
Doc's nair gets more powerful as the move goes on (late nair does more damagel). You can also combo pills into fair or other kill moves at higher percent.
I’d change doc’s final smash to where he crushes the opponent with a microscope which takes the opponent to a place full of the germs and they just beat the crap out-of the opponent
6:07 Different Final Smashes: Mario- Mega Mario. Mario turns into mega mario. It's basically Pacman's final smash but with a bigger hitbox and can only go horizontally up to 45 degrees up or down. Dr. Mario- Puzzle Doctor Doc throws pills into the air and they all come crashing down like in his original puzzle games. He also takes a stance like in his puzzle games and stands still until the final smash is over. Edit: the pills would fall slightly closer to opponents. If the opponents are really far apart from each other, the pills will fall far away from each other as well. (The pills would fall from the top of the screen btw)
personally I feel like Mario could be changed while DR.Mario stays the same, I don't have any examples right now because there's just so much to pull from the mario games
@@sheepdoghr415 that's a pretty cool idea! one of my ideas is having his up special be his galaxy spin attack and just making his second jump look like the traditional Mario jump
Dr. Mario could represent what Mario originally was in the first couple Smash games, where Mario could have a completely different moveset to represent his games (Side special Cappy, Final Smash Dinosaur, etc.).
I wish Doc's Final Smash was more like he throws the opponents with his back throw into a virus eating segment from Dr. Mario World and they just die if they are over 100%. Also if we could buff Doc, I'd say that he should share the same mobility stats as Mario with running speeds and jump height.
There is a difference in final smash attack. Mario fs is wider which causes people (even at high percent) can some times fall out of it while Dr. Mario is more closer together causing people at high percent less likely to fall out of it.
I think that Doc is perfect like this but about the Fs I think it would've be a cinematic one, which he would launch the opponent on the stage of the first game of him, then a lot of viruses would damage the opponent, while Doc would make a "Special Pill" (from the 3Ds game) that will kill the viruses and launch the opponent far away because of the xplosion. Well thanx if you had the patience and creativity to read this and imagine the FS.
You forgot to mention that Mario's fireballs are an energy based projectile, while Dr. Mario's pills are a physical projectile. This means that certain characters that absorb energy based projectiles, like Ness, Lucas, and Mr. Game & Watch, can't absorb Dr. Mario's pills (granted, Game & Watch could still reflect it, but he can't build up his Oil Panic).
The nairs have a slight difference, actually. Mario’s nair is most powerful when starting the attack, while Doc’s gets stronger towards the end of the move. Their side specials also have different hitboxes, with Doc’s being a little taller, but shorter in length.
@@shreddleddbetter7053 Well, Roy and Marth were clones in Melee with some differences in hitboxes and knock-back. In Smash 4, they diverged quite a bit. I feel like Lucina and Chrom are a good middle point of comparison since they "AREN'T" Echo Fighters.
For Dr. Mario, I would give his FS more vertical range. That way, opponents will have to jump really high to avoid it. But as a trade-off, it will have less attack power and horizontal range. For Mario’s FS, I would give him more attack power and horizontal range but less vertical range.
@@sodaleopard I did, but I just find it funny to describe the most iconic gaming character of all time as generic, even if it wasn't in the way you meant.
So something that real stuck out to me when pointing out how similiar their Final Smashes are is that I'm REALLY hoping that in the next Smash game, that they really go all in on making each character unique. Like they can cut down the roster significantly and just give every single character unique moves and properties and that goes double for their Final Smashes!
Luigi's recovery is also pretty bad though. I'd honestly just change the distance he travels, as his Up B is amazing to kill (especially out of shield)
Mario's back throw also has a hit box. So when you grab someone and swing them around it can hit other players or hit nana for ice climbers. It's good for not getting punished. Doc's doesn't hit anyone when he picks them up, but the animation looks a bit faster
I think the stage should transform into the last level of NES super mario bro’s and make him step on an axe in which the floor for a few seconds but platforms won’t deconstruct and if it is FD new platforms will com
Dr. Mario’s final smash should make Large pills fall from the sky like in the Dr. Mario video game and do more damage than Mario’s since he’s later in the game to unlock.
Cool video. I loved to see the difference between the Belmonts. And the Megaman Legends music had me feeling so nostalgic. I just recently beat Megaman Legends 2. Good times.
my moveset for dr.mario (sorry if it got bad) Up air: It does an animation similar to mario's up tilt, but in the air, and it knocksback up and forward. forward air: He does the first Mario's forward air (the n64 one) Back air: He does two back kicks, but if you mash the button he'll do extra kicks. Forward smash: He does Mario's first forward smash ( the n64 one again) but he holds a pill,and if the pill hits you, it will do more damage and knockback. Up smash: He kicks up and raises one arm, making a pose similar to the mario jump from the first "Super mario bros." Game. Down smash: He quickly holds 2 pills and spins around. Neutral special: he does the same thing, but with a different animation, he just throws the pill instead of throwing it like it's a fireball. Up special: He holds a very big pill, puts it on his feet, and jumps on it, after he jumps, the pill will fall slowly just like in his games,and the pill does damage, of course. Down special: It's the same thing, but on the last hit, he will throw 1 pill on each side (left, and right) that will work as fireballs,but they will do very low damage and very low knockback. (Another thing, the more you mash the button, more pills will appear.) Side special: It will be luigi's side special, But he's going to wear the cape and he's going to do the same pose he does when he flies in super mario 64. Up tilt: he uses both hands instead of one, if any character is attacked by both hands, it will double the damage and knockback. Side tilt: he slaps instead of kicking, that's all. Down tilt: he does a karate move, just like luigi's forward air. Final smash: He will behave the same in his game, he will throw giant pills at enemies, I don't care if it's automatic or not. I know, I know, it's bad, but from 0 to 10, what do you think?
I like how they kept Mario’s original down special and made it to a attack, I wish they did the same for Charizard and allow him to keep Rock Smash in his arsenal.
There is something different with their nairs marios you want to hit as soon as possible while docs will actually do more dmg the longer it has been out
A change that I’ve noticed between their final smashes: Mario’s is very inconsistent and hard to land properly. Doc’s, however seems to have an easier time picking up foes.
Bruh I just realized that Dr Mario and Mario are similar to ryu and Ken. *dr Mario’s up special is stronger at the base while mario’s continues its power throughout the move*
there are 3 ways you could change doc that would make him better and more faithful imo 1. docs smash attacks should be switched to pill moves like forward just the same anim just he shoots a pill then it drops down he slams one on each side then they fall over then up he could do his classic pill throw it spins a few times then drops 2. either his down or more fittingly his side special could have that medicine from drmario64story mode where he shoots a star out and it could destroy projectiles and deal significant shield damage 3. and finally pls make his upspecial go farther and maybe have viruses pop out or something I love the drmario series and would really love to see him better tepped even if there isnt very much but possibly more then anything please change his victory music to that games with the bit that loops kinda like clouds and give him better taunts like seriously he could just get the thumbs up taunt and Mario could get his old growing taunt everyone misses
2:09 is this a joke?? There's a QUITE significant difference in their nairs lol Just in case, Mario's is strong then has a weak lingering hitbox, and Dr Mario's is weaker first, but the lingering hitbox does more damage. That makes their use pretty different
I wish every echo was this different from their original. I feel like an echo should be like Falco to Fox or young link to link. They should feel familiar to play but have different combo flow charts and goals in the fight. Daisy could have been a Peach skin for all difference she adds and its a shame what little effort or identity they are given vs the Links or the Marios or the space animals.
Actually I’d say there’s a big difference in their neutral specials, where Doc’s pill actually knocks people into the air, making it harder to approach, aka better at camping with. Where Mario’s can actually function as an approach, since if they block it, you can grab, and if they get hit, they don’t fly far enough, so you can easily follow up... Also Mario’s fireball appears to be better at gimping... but I’m not sure!
Something I forgot: Very small characters like Pichu, can actually stay underneath a pill, although it’s very impractical, since you have to be precise, and stand still... Still felt like I should mention it :p
[Tests all the grounded attacks for differences in damage, sweetspots, knockback, etc.] "Their neutral air seems to be pretty much the same" [Casually ignores one of the most notorious distinctions that Dr. Mario has had since Melee]
I’d change Doc’s final smash to be similar to Ness/Lucas’s final smash, just instead of raining PK Starstorm shots it’s raining large multicolored pills.
I would make it a controllable final smash where you could choose where you want to drop the pills. But if I want to keep Final Smashes the way they are in Ultimate, which is fast and to the point ( which still doesn’t explain why Peach’s final smash is still the same! This goes for Daisy as well ), this is an ok compromise. Besides, in the Dr.Mario games he drops the pills from the TOP of the screen.
i would change all other player's character to one certain color and have their color come from all directions and have their attacks be weaker and some not work because it takes away body parts considering on position
If I was redesigning Doc's, it'd suck enemies trapped in the attack towards the middle, deal less damage per-hit, and at the end, delivers a nasty hitbox that deals great damage & knockback.
HK C Starving that is actually Smart!
I've been wanting them to change Mario's final smash since brawl lmao it's so baf
I'd make it so that doc rushes forward and slaps any foes he touches into the bottle thingy that he throws pills in to get rid of viruses. Then he would pile in a bunch of viruses and pills until the whole thing explodes into a colorful mess.
I mean it makes sense that Dr. Mario is powerful, he knows the parts of the human body he has to hit
And he has access to steroids
Making him sound like he part of the hyuga clan 😂
PINGAS
Well i certanly know what parts to hit (if youre a guy)
Well, if I were an Italian plumber who has a PhD in anatomy, I'd know what parts to hit.
Dr Marios movement is worse because he's weighed down by his university debt
You stole this from a youtube video
@@CritXB bruh what the fuck are you on about.
Creeeamy your comment isn’t original
@@aldali724
No one cares.
Only in 'Murica!
Dr Mario is instantly KO’d when he is hit with an apple
Game and Watch Judge 7 says hi
i get it
Laughs in Pacman.
So Whispy Woods is the bane of his existence?
Dr. Wily: *heavy sweating*
Mario’s back throw: Okay, I’ll spin him around for more momentum, and then I’ll launch him for the best possible outcome.
Dr Mario: *Y E E T*
You missed how Dr. Mario’s nair is stronger the longer it stays out, while Mario’s is weaker
True.
What is a nair
Ultra Vulpix In Smash lingo, it’s short for neutral aerial. It’s the attack you get when your character is the air and you press the primary attack button without tilting the control stick at all. If your stick is tilted down, you get a downward aerial or “dair.” If it’s tilted the direction your character is facing, you get a forward aerial or “fair,” so on and so forth.
Reverse sex kick
Jacob Russell uair?? upair right? *i already knew about the nicknames but only confused about this part*
Dr. Mario's back throw is the definition of *y e e t*
"You have cancer, I can't cure you. Now... Out."
This bish empty
Dr Mario: *gets the grab*
Pichu at 75%: ☹️
Dr Mario: *Y E E T*
GAME!
@@tedsmith7887 pichu would die earlier than that tho
You misspelled “You’re playing Ness”
A gibberish is still a definition. 🤔
@@supermudkipz
"You're too crispy to be my food." *B-throw*
Mario: Faster; less damage
Dr. Mario: Slower; More damage
Yeah. And with better specials.
Literally not much of a difference
@@inkycat7167 except when it comes to recovering. Doc's recovery is way worse than Mario's.
Xythrr and it’s so stupid that Doc’s cape can’t float
@@xythrr im glad there is more doc mains out there
Dr. Mario's Nair actually does more damage closer to the end of the attack, unlike most fighters, and his side special has less horizontal range than Mario's, but more vertical range
Dr mario has a PHD so he has an intelligence advantage
Pretty
Huge
Damage
He will probably succed the an intelligence save throw
@@juanrodriguez9971 this comment is impressive in every of its aspect
he has an md not a phd hes a fake doctor
Shade he has a +4 modifier
Mario: Who are-a you?
Dr. Mario: I'm you, but slightly different
Nah more like this
Mario: Who are-a you
Doctor Mario :Im-a you but from a differnt timeline were we have-a different careers and my job-its-a better than YOU PLUMBER ME!
You spelled better. It should be
Mario: Who are-a you?
Dr. Mario: I'm you, but slightly better
@@OMORIDAILYNEWS Dr. Mario isn't better. In Melee, this is debatable, but since Smash Wii U, Mario wins. No matter what, if you can't stay on stage in Smash, you lose. Mario has more than enough tools in the game to keep Dr. Mario off the stage and pretty much has no reason to ever lose.
@@dontegraves5051 "Funny... everything you just said was wrong."
Mario may have better recovery but that doesn't automatically make him better. Especially since Doc's recovery is so much better than people seem to think. A Doc main may have to play riskier or more carefully when fighting Mario but its not black and white like you make it sound... it all comes down to skill. If Dr. Mario can avoid getting knocked off-stage, or play smart when he does, a Mario main wouldn't have that much of an advantage, especially when Doc can tear through stocks very quickly... it just requires an opening.
The only reason why Dr. Mario is powerful is because he eats his greens.
While Mario eats spaghetti.
Oh no... now I'm having youtube poop flashbacks
So that's why he's slower! His muscles must be slowing him down!!
@@The_Sea_Guardian his mechanic tools.
@@CollectorKenji yeah.. That makes sense too lol
Lasagna you imbecile!
I love Doc's back throw. Not only does he have a PHD, but he is a pro wrestler.
Dr Mario: 40+ spots below Mario in ground speed
Alex: "it isn't a huge difference..."
The main reason Dr mario is that low is because of his horrible recovery. Because of his low jumps, slower air speed, and the less distance traveled with his up special, he can almost never make it back to the stage, gimping him is extremely easy. This is even WITH doc's down special, which regular mario doesnt have.
If doc could actually recover, he would be instantly much higher on the tier list and could actually rival mario.
@@ComradeVenus he was talking strictly about ground speed, not tier lsit position
Kian Barbieri i wouldnt say rival mario. I think mario would still be much higher, but if doc gets a decent recovery then he will definitely shoot up
Dr Mario: Heavy Boi
Mario: Balanced Boi
Luigi: Light Boi
Green mario*
@@cwazyblowrage3814 red Luigi*
*White Luigi
dr mario and mario weigh the same
Luigi:OP Boi
I feel like Dr. Mario's final smash could be him putting the opponent in a bottle and throwing in lots of pills, which actually represents his games.
_"...to answer that we need to talk about parallel universe..."_
“...Mario, how did you come back after defeating Darkon?...”
"I am 4 parallel universes ahead of you!"
Waaaaaaaaaaaahooooooooo
**proceeds to backwards long jump**
I wonder how many people think the parallel universe meme is from terminal montage lol
“The pills have a slight amount of knockback, but it’s nothing meaningful.”
This killed me
The pills can gimp recoverys
Lmao yeah I was speechless
I know right?
I'm starting to think this video is a joke, it's so badly done lol. Or it was made on the first day Ultimate was released maybe
I would make Dr. Mario's final smash kina like the stage hazards of Living Room, but change the aesthetics to look like pills.
Yeah.
Smabe G when the fans have more creative ideas for final smashes than the developers themselves
Wat ??? I don’t get it
@@inkycat7167 They meant that Dr mario's smash should be falling pills that hurt the players
I mean, that would be nice, but it wouldn't work for most stages since the pills would have to fall on a flat surface, also, semi solid platforms would be an F for doc
Someone: *asks about the differences between mario and dr mario*
Everyone: How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?
One’s a doctor. The end.
Edit: it would be cool to see doctor mario have an original moveset, like using a stethoscope or vaccine needles to attack people with
because they wanted to focus Dr Mario as a "Melee character" on the select screen.
The worst reason for this Mario concepts
Yo this is the perfect Moveset for beating Karen
Azure Yume *WHEEEEEEEEEEEZE*
I mean, Doc in his games pretty much only gives drugs to stop big bad virus, nothing that special.
Dr. Mario’s final smash should be giving all opponents on stage cancer
😆
O_O
“i diagnose you with cancer”
*GAME!*
I think dr mario s final smash should copy ness s final smash but with pills
Diagnosis -
Doctor Mario (Doc) releases viruses from his coat.
After 5 seconds, anyone hit or infected by a user hit is given cancer (virus)
Cancer repeatedly damages the infected, at around 10% per second for 5 seconds.
After five seconds, infected players will be launched.
(I wrote this on the toilet)
so many characters in ultimate made me almost forget Dr Mario exists. I used him in melee back when just cuz I thought throwing pills at people was funny.
Are you kidding? No difference with Nair!
Here are the differences I found:
-The sweet spot of Dr. Mario's version is at the end of the attack.
-The sweet spot of Mario is at the start.
-Dr. Mario's version is dealing more damage at the end of the attack.
And just for your information, all the differences with the Nair is in the "Tips section" of the game!
But, it's ok. Everyone makes mistakes! ;)
THANK YOU
How did he not notice that difference
You just murdered him with that smiley face
@@snufkin8940 HAHA
Thanks
I find the Final Smashes humorous though. Both of their Neutral Specials are iconic, fire and pills. And Final Smashes which are activated by the neutral special button are super powered beefed up versions of their respective iconic power.
I had a dream once where docs final smash was changed, he flipped out his white cape and captured enemies into a big pill bottle and then using both of his arms, rapidly launched various pills into it and cause repeated damage until the bottle burst open... I still think about it sometimes
@@miguelsierra3767 that's always how I envisioned an alternate final smash for him
I think Mario's Final Smash really fits his "everyman" status. It's a fairly basic, suped-up version of his Neutral B. Rather than a reference to anything in particular, it's more so an introduction to the concept of Final Smashes. I do think Doc's could be something more unique, though.
@@Dragoryu3000 that's a good analysis! (Although it doesn't reference anything specific in particular, it does reference his iconic fire powers he's had since Super Mario Bros.) He's also had it since Brawl and I think it was the very first Final Smash revealed and shown off
Devan Archer I thought Mario’s Final Smash was a reference to his big fireball attack (forgot the name) from Super Mario RPG?
I would've preferred Dr. Mario to keep the speed and recovery of Mario. It would make it so Dr. Mario could actually be decently high on the tier list as a harder hitting but less combo-focused version of Mario. I don't know why Nintendo hasn't implemented these changes as it wouldn't make Dr. Mario broken and would make pretty much everyone happy, including myself as I've found myself wanting to play the character on multiple occasions but then I realize he sucks and just play Mario instead.
Nahh iway prefer doc to normies Mario
@@xxx-ff9gw yeah doc way better
Doc is just slow but once you get used to him he’s pretty good his down special and back throw is his bread and butter
Unpopular opinion: I don’t want doc to change,I like him just the way he is. Being slower,Stronger,Bad recovery and Low-Bottom tier but seeing him change would be cool!
@@spiritualak5147If Dr.Mario kept Mario's speed and recovery, then there would be no reason to use Mario.
Also, he would be top character.
I’ve always seen doctor Mario as a completely different person from Mario not just Mario as a doctor
He's Mario from another Dimension.
@@whitekittyamberheart7241 "okay, we're going to have to talk about parallel universes"
Or Mario just abused Double Cherries.
He's from the Doctor universe, where the art of practicing lifesaving is a way of life. Anyone can have a PHD -- even a literal, actual infant.
The third Mario Brother?
When people talk shit about doc they always forget Doctor Tornado.
No they don't. They just remember how Mario used to have it before it got replaced by terrible, terrible FLUDD.
@@MagcargoMan fludd is crazy good though
@@chiefbeef5590 And Mario still has a tornado, in the form of his down air.
@@MagcargoMan in ultimate? Or which game
@@davidll4334 every game but 64.
I remember when I played Smash 4 and I didn't know whether to choose Mario or Dr. Mario as a Main ...
so I decided to choose both ...
u missed that dr mario's side special has more vertical reach than mario's.
Alex be like - bruh I said no hitbox differences
@@shaplaflower that’s not a hit box difference lol
Dr marios side special in the air thows oponnents upwards and mario's forward
Imagine if his final smash was just playing a game of dr mario
spinch
it should be, idk how they never added that.
my tits just have a virus spawn at the bottom and dr Mario plays dr Mario plays dr Mario to fix it
So sorta like SM4SH DK's final smash and how it play a rhythm part referencing the og DK Country
2:10 I'm gonna stop you right there buddy... Dr. Mario's neutral air has more power at the latter end of the hitbox. Unlike Mario's where its stronger at the start and the late hit is weaker, Doc is weaker at the start and stronger with the late hit.
3:30 "nothing meaningful"... except Doc's pill is easier to follow up with since the vertical knockback inadvertently leaves them more open to attack, since they can't react as quickly with aerial hitstun and it has a more favorable angle.
4:59 Doc's down throw has a more vertical knockback angle, more knockback, but less knockback scaling. This means it can be a reliable combo starter even at higher percentages... Mario, meanwhile, launches at a diagonal angle which pretty much removes all combo potential when the oppenent is past 60%-100%
5:12 So the doc Yeet his enemies.
Yup and it's the 3rd Strongest backthrow in the game
Number one belonging to the god himself: *PK Fire*
@@Shiny_Rayz i think that Incineroar has the strongest backthrow in the game now, even without revenge
If I would change Dr. Mario dash attack, he could use a clip board to bash the appoint and give it a bit vertical launch distant and help him to make some set ups. This idea was from Kirby's Doctor Ability from Planet Robobot.
To the people who didn't watch the video yet, the difference is that one's a plumber and one has a PhD
Dr Mario doesn't have a degree or license. Miyamoto himself has said Dr Mario is basically a back-alley doctor
Unsure if it's been said, but Dr. Mario's pills also cannot be absorbed like Mario's Fireballs can. They count as physical projectiles, rather than energy projectiles which affects how you deal with them.
Dr. Mario is still one of the first Echoes, as far as I'm concerned.
And that's not a bad thing.
You're right, but Luigi was the OG echo fighter
Hey, just a little info on the pill and fire neutral bs, when going up against Game and watch, GW’s bucket absorbs the fireballs, while reflects the pills.
Mario's Nair sweet spot is at the beginning of the move, docs is at the end.
I main the doc and live by it. So learning about mashing the b button during the down b is a god send
Here's what I learned:
Mario is more of a speedy character.
Dr. Mario is more offensive.
Both are very offensive, the difference is that Mario has frequent but short bursts of damage because he gets a follow up out of like everything, doc doesn’t have frequent but short bursts, he does however have more damage output which makes up for it, the real difference is how they get in and how many times they need to get in
With Docs pills and cape, he can be very defensive. Same goes to Mario with his F.L.U.D.D. and cape.
crybaby How is F.L.U.D.D. Offensive?
Electric Zombie Loli
Free stage control
Cag Frfx I’d say that’s defensive if anything
Doc's nair gets more powerful as the move goes on (late nair does more damagel). You can also combo pills into fair or other kill moves at higher percent.
The neutral air is the only attack in the game that increases in damage the later its hit
I’d change doc’s final smash to where he crushes the opponent with a microscope which takes the opponent to a place full of the germs and they just beat the crap out-of the opponent
Alex.EXE, Doc's neutral air deals more knockback the longer it's out
Doc's side b has is vertical
and Back throw has no collateral hit box
The sweet spot of Mario’s nair is at the beginning of the move, the sweet spot of Docs nair is at the end
When Dr. Mario's forward air sweetspot does roughly the same damage as a knee or a lightning kick...
But not the knockback.
@@captainmega6310 to balance it out seeing that the Knee of Justice and Lightning Kick have MUCH shorter sweet spot windows
Though I prefer doc's meteor attack because it feels more rewarding when you kill with it
As a dr Mario main I’m glad I’m not the only person who knows this knowledge
6:07
Different Final Smashes:
Mario- Mega Mario.
Mario turns into mega mario. It's basically Pacman's final smash but with a bigger hitbox and can only go horizontally up to 45 degrees up or down.
Dr. Mario- Puzzle Doctor
Doc throws pills into the air and they all come crashing down like in his original puzzle games. He also takes a stance like in his puzzle games and stands still until the final smash is over.
Edit: the pills would fall slightly closer to opponents. If the opponents are really far apart from each other, the pills will fall far away from each other as well.
(The pills would fall from the top of the screen btw)
personally I feel like Mario could be changed while DR.Mario stays the same, I don't have any examples right now because there's just so much to pull from the mario games
Cappy used in throws.
@@dougtheghoul2845 EXACTLY!! that's a great idea!
I was thinking throwing cappy or super star Mario as his final smash but that’s an object already in the game.
@@sheepdoghr415 that's a pretty cool idea! one of my ideas is having his up special be his galaxy spin attack and just making his second jump look like the traditional Mario jump
Dr. Mario could represent what Mario originally was in the first couple Smash games, where Mario could have a completely different moveset to represent his games (Side special Cappy, Final Smash Dinosaur, etc.).
"You couldn't find a difference in their Neutral Airs"
Is he actually joking?
I wish Doc's Final Smash was more like he throws the opponents with his back throw into a virus eating segment from Dr. Mario World and they just die if they are over 100%.
Also if we could buff Doc, I'd say that he should share the same mobility stats as Mario with running speeds and jump height.
But then what would his downside be for his higher power? It would be OP for him to have the speed and height of Mario with more power
@@ani_star9729 his recovery would maybe even be better than marios then
Better horizontal than marios and almost as far as mario vertical
There is a difference in final smash attack. Mario fs is wider which causes people (even at high percent) can some times fall out of it while Dr. Mario is more closer together causing people at high percent less likely to fall out of it.
O I didn’t know dr. Mario couldn’t spike with fair, I just thought I was bad at timing
Nah, to spike with doc you need to use *D O W N W A R D A E R I A L*
@@wingedbluj1674 how do you even say up-air? *U A I R*
But..Dr.Mario Fair is in top 3
I think that Doc is perfect like this but about the Fs
I think it would've be a cinematic one, which he would launch the opponent on the stage of the first game of him, then a lot of viruses would damage the opponent, while Doc would make a "Special Pill" (from the 3Ds game) that will kill the viruses and launch the opponent far away because of the xplosion.
Well thanx if you had the patience and creativity to read this and imagine the FS.
You forgot to mention that Mario's fireballs are an energy based projectile, while Dr. Mario's pills are a physical projectile. This means that certain characters that absorb energy based projectiles, like Ness, Lucas, and Mr. Game & Watch, can't absorb Dr. Mario's pills (granted, Game & Watch could still reflect it, but he can't build up his Oil Panic).
The nairs have a slight difference, actually. Mario’s nair is most powerful when starting the attack, while Doc’s gets stronger towards the end of the move. Their side specials also have different hitboxes, with Doc’s being a little taller, but shorter in length.
Idea: Just take some things form doctor Mario world and a unique fighter
The hitbox on Doc's upsmash stays out for longer, making it less vulnerable and more reliable for hitting in the front
Can you do a "What's the Difference" with Lucina and Chrom? I feel like that would shed a lot of light onto some misconceptions on how they're played.
Lucina and Chrom? Do you mean Marth? Because Marth's Echo is Lucina
XuShuFan316
how Marth/Lucina and Roy/Chrom differ specifically i think
@@shreddleddbetter7053 Well, Roy and Marth were clones in Melee with some differences in hitboxes and knock-back. In Smash 4, they diverged quite a bit. I feel like Lucina and Chrom are a good middle point of comparison since they "AREN'T" Echo Fighters.
@@gamrage And also, bot lack of sweetspots and sourspots.
Chrom and lucina is a good example of how they have more differences than people think
0:30 why dr mario runs and jumps slower because he knows the consequences when he does either tasks
"Mario's Dash Attack sends the opponents *backwards* "
-Alex.EXE, 2k19
Edit: 1:06
The salary of a plumber vs a doctor
Basically, if you don't want to watch the whole video:
Dr. Mario is slower but with stronger attacks
Mario is faster with weaker attacks
Ultra brain
And, Dr Mario has the worst recovery while Marios recovery is really good
@@jorge_m-h4g Nah Marios recovery still kinda sucks.
For Dr. Mario, I would give his FS more vertical range. That way, opponents will have to jump really high to avoid it. But as a trade-off, it will have less attack power and horizontal range. For Mario’s FS, I would give him more attack power and horizontal range but less vertical range.
Doctor Mario’s Nair is stronger at the END of the attack, while Mario’s Nair is stronger at the start
I personally like Doc more because of the strong moves I like moves that hit hard
Easy answer, one is a generic guy and one is a generic doctor.
>Mario
>Generic
MagcargoMan you don’t seem to know what i mean by generic, do you?
@@sodaleopard I did, but I just find it funny to describe the most iconic gaming character of all time as generic, even if it wasn't in the way you meant.
So something that real stuck out to me when pointing out how similiar their Final Smashes are is that I'm REALLY hoping that in the next Smash game, that they really go all in on making each character unique. Like they can cut down the roster significantly and just give every single character unique moves and properties and that goes double for their Final Smashes!
Dr Mario’s various phd’s are weighing him down.
also his incredible pill storage inside that coat
dAvId rObInSoN Let’s also not forget his stethoscope.
Sora Akatsuki copying metal man with that blade on his head
Let’s all agree that’s docs recovery should be better
Change DR.M Up B
(😥😌Y is his recovery so bad?)
Alston Maturino
best we can do currently is repeatedly tap his down b first to get some extra air before using up b
@@RacingSnails64 The ending lag in Down B is pretty high, so high that is almost useless for recovery.
If he could instead get a Luigi recovery and a Mario multi hit instead of vice versa
Luigi's recovery is also pretty bad though. I'd honestly just change the distance he travels, as his Up B is amazing to kill (especially out of shield)
Still tho, its higher than his and Mario's recovery
Mario's back throw also has a hit box. So when you grab someone and swing them around it can hit other players or hit nana for ice climbers. It's good for not getting punished. Doc's doesn't hit anyone when he picks them up, but the animation looks a bit faster
The difference you may ask, I have 2 words for you
*DOWNWARD AIREAL!*
*DOWNWARD SPECIAL*
BACK THROW
*FOWARD AIR*
I think the stage should transform into the last level of NES super mario bro’s and make him step on an axe in which the floor for a few seconds but platforms won’t deconstruct and if it is FD new platforms will com
Dr. Mario’s final smash should make Large pills fall from the sky like in the Dr. Mario video game and do more damage than Mario’s since he’s later in the game to unlock.
Cool video. I loved to see the difference between the Belmonts. And the Megaman Legends music had me feeling so nostalgic. I just recently beat Megaman Legends 2. Good times.
my moveset for dr.mario (sorry if it got bad)
Up air: It does an animation similar to mario's up tilt, but in the air, and it knocksback up and forward.
forward air: He does the first Mario's forward air (the n64 one)
Back air: He does two back kicks, but if you mash the button he'll do extra kicks.
Forward smash: He does Mario's first forward smash ( the n64 one again) but he holds a pill,and if the pill hits you, it will do more damage and knockback.
Up smash: He kicks up and raises one arm, making a pose similar to the mario jump from the first "Super mario bros." Game.
Down smash: He quickly holds 2 pills and spins around.
Neutral special: he does the same thing, but with a different animation, he just throws the pill instead of throwing it like it's a fireball.
Up special: He holds a very big pill, puts it on his feet, and jumps on it, after he jumps, the pill will fall slowly just like in his games,and the pill does damage, of course.
Down special: It's the same thing, but on the last hit, he will throw 1 pill on each side (left, and right) that will work as fireballs,but they will do very low damage and very low knockback. (Another thing, the more you mash the button, more pills will appear.)
Side special: It will be luigi's side special, But he's going to wear the cape and he's going to do the same pose he does when he flies in super mario 64.
Up tilt: he uses both hands instead of one, if any character is attacked by both hands, it will double the damage and knockback.
Side tilt: he slaps instead of kicking, that's all.
Down tilt: he does a karate move, just like luigi's forward air.
Final smash: He will behave the same in his game, he will throw giant pills at enemies, I don't care if it's automatic or not.
I know, I know, it's bad, but from 0 to 10, what do you think?
I'm surprised at how many channels miss the Nair difference. It's right there in the tips section. I look at it every time a new character drops.
I like how they kept Mario’s original down special and made it to a attack, I wish they did the same for Charizard and allow him to keep Rock Smash in his arsenal.
You did a great job making this video
One's a doctor forcing pills into people's throats, one's a plumber that saves a princess from a dragon turtle
There is something different with their nairs marios you want to hit as soon as possible while docs will actually do more dmg the longer it has been out
Cool video. I love the outro!
Not to mention that the game doesn't register doc's attacks as fire attacks (i.e. they don't immediately explode the explosive crate item)
A change that I’ve noticed between their final smashes: Mario’s is very inconsistent and hard to land properly. Doc’s, however seems to have an easier time picking up foes.
Bruh I just realized that Dr Mario and Mario are similar to ryu and Ken.
*dr Mario’s up special is stronger at the base while mario’s continues its power throughout the move*
I was wondering why mario felt so much smoother to play with but it all makes sens with this video!
there are 3 ways you could change doc that would make him better and more faithful imo
1. docs smash attacks should be switched to pill moves like forward just the same anim just he shoots a pill then it drops down he slams one on each side then they fall over then up he could do his classic pill throw it spins a few times then drops
2. either his down or more fittingly his side special could have that medicine from drmario64story mode where he shoots a star out and it could destroy projectiles and deal significant shield damage
3. and finally pls make his upspecial go farther and maybe have viruses pop out or something
I love the drmario series and would really love to see him better tepped even if there isnt very much but possibly more then anything please change his victory music to that games with the bit that loops kinda like clouds and give him better taunts like seriously he could just get the thumbs up taunt and Mario could get his old growing taunt everyone misses
2:09 is this a joke?? There's a QUITE significant difference in their nairs lol
Just in case, Mario's is strong then has a weak lingering hitbox, and Dr Mario's is weaker first, but the lingering hitbox does more damage. That makes their use pretty different
I'd change Dr. Mario's final smash to the jar and him dropping in pills
I wish every echo was this different from their original. I feel like an echo should be like Falco to Fox or young link to link. They should feel familiar to play but have different combo flow charts and goals in the fight. Daisy could have been a Peach skin for all difference she adds and its a shame what little effort or identity they are given vs the Links or the Marios or the space animals.
Same... imagine if Daisy hit harder and had some unique moves, but didn't have a glide. I would love if Daisy had some form of meteor smash.
Mario's final smash could totally be him bringing the opponent into the bowser in the sky arena and doing the iconic bomb throw
Actually I’d say there’s a big difference in their neutral specials, where Doc’s pill actually knocks people into the air, making it harder to approach, aka better at camping with. Where Mario’s can actually function as an approach, since if they block it, you can grab, and if they get hit, they don’t fly far enough, so you can easily follow up...
Also Mario’s fireball appears to be better at gimping... but I’m not sure!
Something I forgot: Very small characters like Pichu, can actually stay underneath a pill, although it’s very impractical, since you have to be precise, and stand still...
Still felt like I should mention it :p
Now doc’s down-tilt has more combo potential! It’s pretty wacky!
You deserve more subscribers i hope you do well in the future.
Bruh, you made Dr. Mario sound like 10x better, Mario is wayyyyyyy better than him in actual battles
Doc's final smash should just be him diagnosing the opponents with the dead.
[Tests all the grounded attacks for differences in damage, sweetspots, knockback, etc.]
"Their neutral air seems to be pretty much the same"
[Casually ignores one of the most notorious distinctions that Dr. Mario has had since Melee]