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- Are there any big differences between Ryu and Ken?...
Yes, a lot actually!
Ken is the most unique echo fighter on the whole roster. Let's explore what makes him different!
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They have different pants.
I really should've started and ended the video by saying only that
This guy is a genius
I didnt even notice Xd
@@AlexEXE Regret it?
@@AlexEXE u can just update the vid and make the edit lmao
One does a ShoRYUken while the other does a ShoryuKEN
so I wasn't the only one who realized that
Is there someone who does a SHOryuken?
The shokan do SHOryuken
Yeah that sounds about right
But who does the SHOryuken 😳😳
it’s just like in the actual games:
Ryu lacks speed,
Ken lacks power.
I thought it was just ryu is punch and Ken is kick
@@pepsiman4418 or that
This isn’t really true. Ken is just better up close and Ryu is better from afar
@@bangaliekanu5852 He’s talking about in the actual series
Exactly.
One of them becomes Terry when you give him a hat
lol true
oh god i’ve always hated this meme lol
Lol
Yeah, but Ryu's doesn't wear hats.
@@capacity9672 Wat?
Don't know why they are even considered echo fighters. Their whole gameplan is different. Ken wanting to get in your opponent a face and combo them, while Ryu wants to zone you out and then push you away when you get close
In Ken's tralier they said he was really only an echo fighter because original he was a clone of ryu. Since the alpha series ken plays nothing like Ryu
Danny Freeman Actually Ken has been different from Ryu since SF II: Champion Edition
@@therock238360 originally in sf1 he was a literal clone. Just different colors and names
Origamiman i knew that, same with vanilla SF II
...Because they still have nearly the same attack animations with the same general functions. They just have different properties & effects with them.
They should've gone the Street Fighter 5 route & made Ken WAY more different.
Most people thought this was going to happen since they're echo fighters, but when actually look at theyre moves and stuff, they are very different
Surprisingly, Tatsumaki Senpukyau is basically translated into tornado kick.
You learn something new every day :D
It’s literal translation is “tornado whirlwind leg” I think
I mean, that is what it is.
Senpukyau ? Senpukyaku guys ^^
He was referencing the guy in the video ignoring the pronunciation and just calling it Tornado Kick
@@Stryfe52 yep
You forget to mention the visual difference between Ken ad Ryu's Hadoken. Ken's Hadoken has his hands in it.
SFII reference.
Ken's is the original style. Ryu has his super turbo upgraded hadouken
They don’t only have different movesets either, they play totally different too. Ryu is a hardcore zoner, almost purely defensive when played optimally. Ken is a mix between bait and punish and rushdown, moreso the former
Unlike other Echo Fighters, Ken's differences from Ryu should be obvious. Daisy and Richter videos wouldn't last more than a minute.
Yeah
Like 30 seconds for both. Daisy's hurtbox is shorter but wider, Richer down B does aura damage (kills red Pikmin) but Simon's does fire (sets off explosives).
That's it.
@@hypotheticaltapeworm Although for Daisy, he may go over her aesthetical differences such as different animations and flowers replacing hearts.
Honestly, Nintendo could have at LEAST made her have a triple jump and give her flower attacks the flower effect.
Differences between daisy and peach:
Yellow
this is like asking “what’s the difference between milk and water”
Milk and gasoline you mean
More like horses and trees. Okno that's for luigi and mario
More like ice cream cones and capybaras
I feel Ryu and Ken are better examples of what an Echo Fighter *should* be, beyond just "almost exactly the same but with a different costume", like Richter, Dark Samus, and Daisy.
For example, what I'd like from a Proto Man echo of Mega Man: Passive shield (like Link's), recoil on Proto Buster shots (like Pichu), and some of Mega Man's custom specials from Smash 4 (Shadow blade, Ice Slasher, Danger Wrap, Tornado Hold).
Well, there are no true echo fighters.
Dark Samus has a different hitbox because of the levitation animation that Samus doesn't have. Peach and Daisy have different poses so they have different hitboxes as well.
And Richters Down Special has Aura unlike Simon's which is just a normal flame, and is the same no matter how much damage he takes.
Edit: Someone reminded me of tipper for Marth and Lucina. Thx for that.
@@Ahahashir
And how often do those minor differences come into play? Not often. They might as well not be there in the first place. Those guys are just glorified skins.
Proto Man should also have a Shield Bash dash attack, in my opinion.
@@espurrseyes42 It doesn’t matter IF or WHEN it happens. It matters that it DOES happen
@@eattheboard1684
It kinda does matter IF and WHEN since that's the only thing differentiating them. If you're not fighting Link (Holy Water properties effects the Remote Bomb) or Olimar (properties effect Steve the Red Pikmin), there's literally no difference between the Belmonts. And the very minute hurtbox differences between the Princesses isn't relevant enough to warrant picking one over the other, something I can even say about the Pits despite only really having 2 major differences. If it's not happening often enough to warrant being there, then there's no reason for it to have been there in the first place.
Okay, hear me out here. What’s the difference between Galeem and Dharkon?
A lot. They are completely different characters. Master Hand and Crazy hand are more similar
@@XDDocXD okay, that one then
One is Winged Lightbulb
And one is Hentai Sauron
@@TheoZaHero whoa whoa whoa there buddy, calm down with the description lol 😅
The biggest difference is that Dharkon can say the N-word and Galeem can't.
Yay, this is my favorite series
Edit: why the hell does this have 200 likes, it doesnt deserve it at all
youre my favourite
Same lol
@@insertnamehere12 that's the point
Ryu be like: So u have choosen Fists
Ken: Don't skip leg day.
I feel like they only made Ken an echo to call back to his roots. Other wise they probably would have gave him his own character Number.
I would have said, “because they didn’t want to include a unique 2nd character from a third-party series”, but then Sephiroth happened
Really makes Shadow’s exclusion THAT much more strange
JC Manalili
I still think that’s why because Ken was the “original echo” so Sakurai thought it’d be weird to call him a semi clone. Sephiroth was released/planned for Smash years later.
To be fair, a character’s a character. Most other 3rd party series don’t even get an echo fighter
Let alone one this unique
It’s just kinda weird that they prioritized Castlevania and Final Fantasy before, you know, Sonic and Mega Man (literally the series with the two most requested non-Nintendo characters for Smash)
I honestly think that they are perfect echo fighters
They have enough differences to not be copies
Ryu's input specials: Have the same or slightly different name as the base move.
Ken's input specials: Nata Otoshi Geri and Oosoto Mawashi Geri
But Ryu has Joudan Sokutou Geri for side smash and Shakunetsu for HCF input.
Known colloquially as his "crazy kicks"
@@YamatoTorisu this refers to command inputs not fsmash, and shakunetsu's full name is shakunetsu HADOKEN
The difference between Ryu and Ken is...
Ken makes any “leak” seem legit
and -Ryu has no personality-
@Frax hahaha
Fun fact, Ryu has gone through development
He was kind of an impatient ass hole in the Alpha games, solely focused on his personal growth. He mellowed out as time went on
It's me Ryu! From Streets!
@@yoshinpixels9924 finally! People going "Ryu is bland lol! xd" Never actually paid attention to the Alpha games. Before, all he ever cared about was winning that's why he let the SnH loose after losing to Sagat, recently, his goal is just to fight the best since that way he can learn even from winning or losing.
Not true. Ryu likes to jump into light fierce.
Another small difference: Ryu's Tatsumaki has light, medium and heavy intensities, whereas Ken's only has light and heavy ones.
That's wrong.
Ken has a medium tatsu
What use is a medium one when there's a light and heavy one respectively?
This guy: I'm not even gonna try to pronounce this move's name.
Maya Fey: Tachymarky Seppuku.
No it's pronounced as "タツマキ センプキヤク"
@@spongeman3090 No it isn't. It's pronounced as タツマキ センプーキャク
@@YamatoTorisu Whoops. Forgot the line.
FINALLY. an ACCURATE ryu and ken video. people always spread misinformation about these two characters all the time, so i’m glad this vid exists
Hey, I think you forgot something notable about Tatsumaki Senpukyaku. Specifically having to do with their light variations. For Ryu the light variations is essentially just shorter and weaker. For Ken it changes from a 4 hit move that almost never sends into tumble into a 2 hit move with the second hit being a launcher which sends into tumble at around 32 percent. This is useful for tech chases and jab locking.
Ryu can combo off of it
Ken: "Hey Ryu, can I have the last slice of that pizza?"
Ryu: "Sure y-wait a minute. Oh ha-ha. Nice try. You almost get me there."
Ken: "What are you talking about?"
Ryu: "...Oh, never mind."
Ken: "Can I have the pizza?"
Ryu: "Sure you can. AW DANG IT!!"
Good one
The only reason they are echo fighters is because they are both Shotos. And it also references the fact that Ken is the most iconic fighting game clone (tied with Sub-Zero).
Also a little tip to get a perspective on the characters:
- Ryu is for Keep-Away and KO power. Focusing in Hadoukens and small combos that push away the opponent.
- Ken: Focuses on pure rushdown and pressure. KO’ing only during combos.
Don't forget Ryu is also more tanky and bait&punish
@@L00D__ Nah ryu and ken have the exact same weight.
I was talking about playstyle
The reason why they're considered echo fighters is because of their history. Ken started off as a copy of Ryu, so it ends up making sense in the end on why they made them so similar and different at the same time
That...makes absolutely no sense, sorry.
@@TheGamersState Basically, began as clones, got different, in smash, ken uses moves he's gotten over the years, everything else is copy and pasted
@@whatnamelol1835 By that logic, Luigi should be an echo fighter then but he clearly isn't listed as one. Just because they were clones at the beginning doesn't mean they should be considered 1 now.
@@TheGamersState But Luigi got his own games while Ryu and Ken are from a fighting game, where they all pretty much stay together
@@whatnamelol1835 I'm sorry to be blunt but if you think Ken has stayed the same since the beginning then you clearly don't know anything about Street Fighter.
Ken has seen a lot of changes and improvements over the years and at this point he's very different to play than Ryu is despite both being a shoto. At this point the only 3 moves both have are Shoryuken, Hurricane Kick, and Hadoken which even those are presented and function very differently.
Ken shouldn't be an echo in Smash, simple as.
It’s interesting seeing the smash community interpret street fighter characters and mechanics. Ryu has more health, Ken has always been faster. He specializes in the shoryu and ryu gets the fireball super. (I was surprised that ken got a shakunetsu in sfv) Ken’s overhead is a kick, ryu has his can opener. The bottom line is ryu and ken have such a good move set you could put them in any fighting game and they will do well. Having street fighter fundamentals in your game ensures you’ll be pretty well prepared for almost any other fighter.
I think the most useful difference videos to make would be ones for Peach v. Daisy, Simon v. Richter, and all the other echo fighters etc.
there is no differences tho
@@sp4de_btd899 i think they're joking
@@sp4de_btd899 Yes but see that's the point. They have differences, albeit small ones. many people ask "what's the difference?" And I think a video at least confirms how similar they are
@Liam Huber But Marth can deal more or less damage, and he's not *AS* annoying sounding. Unlike Lucina which she pushes the boundaries of my sanity
Loving the vids, keep up the great work man!!
I hate this
TH-cam didn’t give me the notifications! This is my favorite series
It's nice to finally watch one of these because I actually was very curious about what their differences were. I knew about one difference in regards to a certain move that had KO power with Ryu but not with Ken, but I didn't know what the other differences were besides the final smashes.
Thank you Alex.EXE for not stopping it. It’s one of my favorite things on your channel. Which is one of my favorite channels.
This should have soo much more views and I love these videos
I was expecting him to say one is with Chun-Li and one isn't.
Which one is that?
@@kirolex1919 technically Ken was with Chun li but left her for Fame, the thing not the person, Chun li has a thing for Ryu but Ryu is too focused on training
@@ahumanoidoforiginx7957 Wait, huh? When? How did that happen?
@@kirolex1919 I can't be sure that is 100% Canon seeing as it comes from a shitty SF comic thingy but that's what I could find about that subject
@@ahumanoidoforiginx7957 Turns out, it's not canon at all.
Thank you for getting Ryu's name right!!
Except he didn't. It's better than the common "Rye-you" but it's supposed to be "Roo"
great video man
All of ghis guys here saying first so im gona be original
my body is ready
Wait, wait, wait, ready or Reggie?
4:44
"Flaming Hadoken"
It's called Shakunetsu!
Really good video, I didn't know all of these differences. Personally I think Ken edges out Ryu in this game because of the amount of combos and mixups he is able to do along with his shuryuken being an really good kill option. I've definitely noticed how different their hadokens are as Ryu's are way better imo because of speed changes and power. I guess it depends on your fighting style preference but I just feel like Ken has a lot more options because of his speed and because his moves don't have such launch back whereas with Ryu you aren't going to be able to get more than two or three combos out of it. Both have AWESOME shield pressure though.
Great video and amazing content
I personally like to play the more patient game, and Ken kind of required you to be aggressive, so Ryu is perfect for me.
This is helpful for the new smash players, this is too good at cuality, keep working like that!
Gonna be honest, Isabelle feels more like an echo than Ken does.
As in ken is more unique than isabelle because she is a clone?
@@hilmanalfarisy7369
Ken has arguably more differences from Ryu than Isabelle to Villager, who isn't treated as an Echo unlike Ken.
@@espurrseyes42 thanks
I agree.
Nah Isabelle has different smash attacks and special moves. The only thing related to villager is their final smash and Aerials which makes her a semi or pseudo clone.
this just strengthens the claim of "dr mario should be an echo fighter"
You also forgot to mention Ryu's Kill throw is his Up throw, while Ken can kill with his Back Throw.
I didn't know that
Alex you make the best video don't stop doing what you like
My favorite series is back! Ayyyyyy
It would be cool to get a comparison for Mario and Luigi with their various differences.
I know Luigi has changed a lot since the first Smash Bros, but it would be neat to see how far he has changed in Smash Ultimate know that he still shares some moves with his brother albeit with different properties.
This helped me figure out how to use Ken. Thanks
Thanks for the video! I love these type of video because I find comparing the animations side by side so satisfying
I always wondered why Ken is counted as an echo fighter? I think it's more of a "branding" reason than a technical one, because as Sakurai said on the reveal, Ken kind of is the "original" echo fighter
Great video!
The funny thing is, these two, while having similar special moves, have been different like this since Street Fighter 2 Turbo.
Only SF1 and SF2WW had these two play the exact same with no differences.
always love your videos. wish my voiceovers sound as good as yours
I am glad I watched this video. Honestly seems like it could be the first one to watch if your just learning the basics on every move for either character. I’m just not understanding which of them is the better one.
It is Shoto Sunday.
Hadoken sounds like:
I Do Ken!
Shoryuken sounds like:
Sure you can!
TORNADO KICK HAHAHAHA you deserve my like
we need that type of videos!!! video games lover!!
Fav series 🤝
I prefer Ken. Mostly due to his Up Special which is more fun to use than Ryu's. I also like Ken more in general.
Wish every echo were like those 2 or Chrom and Roy...
7:14: doctor jump punch
7:20: Super jump punch
This is why in Street fighter, I am a Ken main, in Smash I've always been a Bowser main.
good job about What's the Difference between Ryu and Ken? (SSBU)
can you difference between kirby and jigglypuff because they were sorta clones in smash 64
@Joshua Suh even worse than that. And I find mario lugio already a stupid video idea
@Joshua Suh their arials and dash attack and smash attacks are similar
talking BOUT kirby and jigglypuff
Honestly, Ken shouldn’t be an echo fighter of Ryu.
Nope, too many differences
This is the first time I have heard of Ken having unique kick inputs...COOL!
Lets go i love this videos
Please compare all Marth/Lucina/Roy/Chrom diferences among the 4 fighters. I think that would be a nice video!
I looked this up and found nothing and now he comes over and takes the show........... THANK YOU
I wanted this for quite some time. I thought that the what's the difference series was done.😔
I love this Series🥳 Also I’m a ken main so I like him more also I was using a different account but I’m Ryan Mardel from the stream like a month ago
I also noticed that ryus final smash (close) puts him into freefall like his normal shoryuken when done in the air
Ken masters IS ALWAYS my fav character, some times wish they ken a lil more boost w the fireballs but it is WHAT it IS 😞😞
This channel is the internet explorer of SSBU. How many notes and tips did you take from watchmojo?
I almost clicked the street fighter version of this
You mean the one by jmcrofts?
I much prefer Ryu. Hadoken has more potential and Shoryuken seems to be more consistent. Also Tatsu is better
Everytime i play him in Ultimate, my sm4sh ryu main's soul cries.
Not everything was better back then, i like what they buffed in Ultimate like tatsu and the ability to special cancel with almost all of his moves but aw maaaan i miss walling with back air
Ryu is still a good character
I love this series
I prefer Ryu because I love fire Hadoken. 🥋🔥
I remember I requested this idea to you in one of your live streams. (I think it was in one of your paper Mario streams idk)
You should also breakdown...
Peach vs. Daisy
Samus vs. Dark Samus
Pit vs. Dark Pit
Simon vs. Richter
7:07 SURE, You Can!
In my land we call the tornado kick taktaktarugem
Nice content
Who the fuck thought that it was a bright idea to give Ken a purely vertical Final Smash when the opponent is FAR AWAY ??????
This is like asking "whats the difference between melons and pumpkins?"
What is the difference tho 😮
@@minishark7630 well ones a pumpking and ones a melon
"im not even gonna try to pronounce tastu"
this made me fucking die inside bro
Plz make more of these
Esams latest video puts Ryu above Ken, normally it's the other way around. He says because having better range tools is not to be underestimated, and having another KO option (tatsu) is very good. I suppose Ken has crescent kick into f/d-smash but it's a lot more difficult to pull off because the percent has to be within a narrow range and they have to be near ledge. In that way it's similar to fast falling up air into f-smash with Terry, and given his multitude of KO option it's basically never ever used. Which should say something about the skill level difference needed. It's also worth mentioning Kens' shield break attack is half circle into holding A, while Ryus' is just f-tilt lmao.
If you have an interest in the fighting characters I'd recommend starting with Terry, then Ryu and then Ken.
Up next: what is the difference between peach and daisy? with the alternative title of: why is daisy even still in the game
For these must be made new Dr. Mario Pichu Toon link (if you don't plan to change your moveset, it should be done from young link and if you only change the ending smash the same) And the rest of the fact can stay the same (except Ken) And now the clones (For me all the clones should have several big differences before the character that they leave because if they do not have it they must be automatically made, In the case of pichu, it has exactly the same attacks as pikachu, but it lowers its life, even so I think it must be made of pikachu) Clon: Ken, Falco Young link / Toon Link (these do make a slight change in their moveset), Ganondorf, Lucas, Isabell and Roy. This in my opinion. Lucas, Isabell, Roy and Ken are already fine to be clones, but as you said in your video that you uploaded Falco a long time ago, Ganondorf Toon link and Young Link should have a change in their moveset. This is it, this is my opinion. :)
Difference: one of them is named after a doll
catch me out here with the ryu doll
the Help Up tilt is the same as the Held (Up close) Jab
I think they made him a echo because technology he’s the first echo fighter in a fighting game in street fighter 1 he played exactly like ryu I feel like he could have been a semi echo like Isabelle and falco great video by the way
Ken's Inazuma kick actually appeared in A lot of street fighter games
5:23 Hurricane Kick!!
5:21 Tatumanki Senpukyaku Pronunciation: ("Taught-su,Ma-key Sen-Poo-Key-ya-ku") also this move's name is acually "Tornado Kick" so you unknowingly said the English word
I knew it!!!
Long story short, fire
That near Ken final smash is a reference to the most important gaming moment in history
Evo moment 37 (Super name is Shippu Jinraikyaku)
@@NotoriousYEETER thats it