Rare access to British Army's monster new battlefield vehicle
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- Ajax, the British Army's new armoured vehicle, has been put through its paces on the Salisbury Plain training area, with its crews delighted by its firepower, features, reliability and performance.
The Army resumed training in June with its Ajax fleet, the well-documented "problem children of British procurement", and Forces News was given special permission to be one of the first to see the vehicle in action.
The next Ajax milestone will come next year - when the first operationally deployable vehicles are issued to troops.
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I was tank Driver / Gunner 16/5th Queens Royal Lancers and was fortunate to drive all the CVRT's variants and Warrior FV510's can say hand on heart the General Dynamics Ajax looks and sounds the absolute business and I wish all the crews the very best that developed and persevered to iron out all the problems.
I hope you are correct Bro. The specifications for the Ajax are mighty impressive. Just what the troops needed.
Your Brown Star kissing badge is in the post 🤣
Oh damn, i forgot our new indoctrinated brainwashed ideology means its vorboden to pay Brits any compliments, i need to re-read the first chapter of marxist nialism for dummies again...
Yep looks good to me , has to be much better than the vehicles you mention in every way , especially troop protection
What’s the gun actually meant to shoot ?
It has a mountain to climb if it is to be accepted by the troops. The damage to it's reputation could be irreparable. I sincerely hope it climbs that mountain and goes from strength to strength.
It'll be like the L85 Rifle - It'll improve over 25 years but everyone will still think it is a *Shitbox*
@@mwnciboo Agreed, the damage has already been done. I converted from SLR and SMG to Rifle 5.56 as it was known, in November 1990. Took the Skill at Arms Instructor course at SASC Browning Barracks, Aldershot. While on that course I actually broke an SA80 when the firing pin snapped. Also broke the forward handgrip on an LSW version practicing "rifle strengthening exercises."
If only those exercises were designed to strength the actual weapon as the name would suggest. Rather than the arms of the rifleman and accelerate his muscle memory with the rifle.
@@gusgone4527Every time I look at sa 80 it makes me sick its ugly like made from a kit.😊
@@thecurlew7403it is a great short weapon system
If you want something nice to look at check your wife
Driving at any speed across the Plain is VERY far from marginal terrain.
Like the red square tarmac which is known to have stopped the most modern russian „wunderwaffe”, t14 atrapa😂😂
Honestly looks like a fantastic upgrade, kind of miffed it's missing an ATGM system though.
@@JimCarner Javelins are hand held missiles, I'm assuming they just mean each vehicle has one on board and a crew member can get out and fire it when needed.
@@JimCarner So it can be mounted but its relatively new tech, the CROWS-J variant of the missile started development in 2016, and The U.S. Army completed CROWS-J live fire testing in June 2021.
It is just a modified version of the handheld strapped to the side of the turret but if it works, it works.
The Ajax contract was won by GD in 2010, and the fist vehicle were meant to be delivered in 2017, the fist pre-production vehicle was built as early as 2014, so the vehicle defiantly wasn't intended/designed to mount a javelin.
Agree....very odd. Like a slightly worse Bradley.
Are the soldiers allowed to tell official journalists that they are being deafened and their brains turned to mush? How have they cured the ride experience?
for a start not having any jurnos ride in the thing :)
Pleased to see the Ajax is now on track and getting a thumbs up from the crews. It is a huge leap from the old but well loved Scimitar, to an advanced fully digital A-Star reconnaissance system. It is being tested at full battle weight of 38 tons, but some armour can be removed for normal operation.
Dude this is a Government PR channel. You won’t get any genuine opinions here.
@@airhabairhabYet they reported the issues with Ajax over two yeas ago. Just about every military in the world has an info channel of website. The independent press is way down the list of priorities.
@@billballbuster7186Completely agree, any kind of independent journalism has long since disappeared from these shores.
@@airhabairhabWell, my interest in Military vehicles goes back over 50 years. I can remember most of the scandals in the press. Very few new vehicles were free of complaints, which is why today they are more cautious. You don't really know how good or bad a vehicle is until its served a few years.
The worst press I remember was for Challenger 1, for 5-6 years nobody had a good word for it until the 1991 Gulf War. It out performed Abrams and became a super-star over night..
Ok so you tell me what the Russians have got that was not around in the Gulf Wars? But whatever it is it don't seem to be working.
Excellent, just love the sound of the engine, sounds really sporty.
Sounds like a 1lt ford focus
its a sneaky scout after they are deaf they will never hear it
Talks to one crew, "I'm impressed by what the crews think". It's an updated Matilda mk2
Cv90 ❤
3 questions unanswered in this video;
How resilient is it against mines?
How resilient is it against top attacks/Kamikaze drones ?
When can they go to Ukraine?
Buy the tracked-boxer, it looks/ is sized very similarly and can excange modules with the normal boxer. Its still in development too but its a private project so expect it to go ahead fast.
Go ahead fast? Its 7 years behind schedule.
@@robinterry9387 regular Boxer is better protected than Warrior. With a RTC30 turret (the remote turret of Puma) it can fit a 7 man dismount, can withstand more punishment than Warrior can, s more mobile and better armed and has better sensors.
just buy the RTC30 module and be happy.
Poland and Israel can afford over 1,000 MBTs. Our budget is gar higher so why can we barely scrape enough together for 150 conversions of existing stock?
Poland and Israel don't have two aircraft carriers or nuclear submarines
@cjjk9142 Do you realise how much we already borrow? They've plenty of action, they've signed multiple multi-billion contracts and have taken their first deliveries.
@cjjk9142 I'd rather 1,500 tanks than a navy we can't afford to buy missiles for and an Air Force the government admit would be wiped out in a week if we went into a real war against a peer like Russia.
@cjjk9142 isreal does actually have nuclear launch capable subs. All part of sampson.
about time, so happy all the issues have been fixed and now it can join the British army.
Sarcasm?
@@peterfeeney721 no. Not at all
@dannyblackwell2426 Fully agree with you, mate. It's a 40 tonne of raw horse mess
Not solved barrel wear issue 750 rd's reported, caused by blow by before cased round seals in barrel !
@@peterwait641 barrel issue ? I thought it was just the vibration / noise and speed issue. ok thanks for letting me know about the barrel issue :)
"British Army's monster new battlefield vehicle" not how i expected the new scout vehicle to be described
Get some Soucy rubber tracks on that to stop the track clatter.
Britain still needs a tracked IFV though, the Boxer while a great vehicle is not tracked and could struggle to follow the armour into more nasty terrain and muddy areas.
Not one comment on here about the Cannon. That installation is what has completely high jacked the entire platform. What a total lemon.... 🍋.
The pockets that have been lined by this thing must be shocking. The troops that have to put up with it have my sympathies.
Needs active protection system to protect against drones and ATGMs but this is not an option.
Big question . How easy will it be to intergrate ATGM platforms like spike , brimstone etc . Aswell as anti drone countermeasures , drone launch platforms and more . I hope this isnt all we are getting because the 40mm RDEN was already pretty useless and if we see an increase of platforms like terminator where tank chassis are paired with remote turrets instead of an IFV body this litterally wont be able to do anything .
Im very glad we are getting somewhere with this now as warrior is well overdue but we need some gen on AT capability .
tbh if they can produce six varients of the vehicle each having a specialised purpose they can probably slap an ATGM on it as well without much hassle.
There's a potential Brimstone equiped overwatch version and a 105mm direct fire option.
Athena troop carrier I guess will have drone teams.
Would be handy if the individual vehicles could have a Brimstone or LMM missile option on the turret though.
The Russian Terminator has been a complete disaster in Ukraine btw.
I strongly suspect that Brimstone will be integrated, as well as on Boxer, it was possible to quickly adapt the missile for ground launch from initially at least, soft skin vehicles for Ukraine last year. So in an armored and digitized AFV like Ajax it’s likely bring looked at.
Boxer is getting a Brimstone variant so it is more than likely they will start equipping Ajax with it too @@grahambuckerfield4640
@@gregs7562 Does russia have any terminators left? ive seen countless videos of them being destroyed, i also hear the design of the turret is terrible and the cannons arnt well stabalised making them immensly innacurate. Probably only useful for cover fire and indirect lead showers.
I have heard (pun intended) of guys getting permanent hearing damage and getting compensation after trailing them.
It doesn't say much, when lasting 2 weeks without breaking exceeds expectations.
Alan your the gunner on the ajax .. sorry didnt hear u say again !
How long before the information of the Ajax is leaked on the war thunder forums
6 years late and £10m a pop... They better be damned good!
wow thats £3m more than an Abraham's mbt!
Please let me know if the Ajax has really sorted out all of it's teething issues as we need this vehicle to be the business for the next 20 years... No propaganda just useful facts.
As usual video of a tank going through a puddle. Impressive !!
Have to say I first read that as "rare success".....
Can't help but think - for recon it's a bit big. Compared to a Scimitar Scorpion or Sabre it's HUGE.
It’s massive for a recce vehicle!
Looks like an IFV to me.
Ita not a recce vehicle.
You don’t use land vehicles for reconnaissance anymore, you get killed.. Drones do that now..
All the best. Good stuff.
This is supposed to be a replacement for the fast, relatively quiet , low-weight and helicopter transportable CVR series. Big fat ROFL. I saw one of these being transported near Oxford on the motorway; thing was as big as the Challenger 2 tank...
CVRT are obsolete. They were made for a recce doctrine of not being seen by the enemy. In todays world that is impossible so the army has had to switch to the doctrine of recce by force/fire, which requires a better protected, more heavily armed vehicle.
And at around 40 tons, they weigh as much as a Leopard 1 tank. Ideally, armoured recce is supposed to be done in stealthy, quiet, small vehicles that are hard to detect and hit. Although the 40mm gun might help the crew get out of a pickle, and the additional armour protection wouldn't hurt.
so, have they sorted out the mass vibrations making crew & soldiers i'll?
Better late than never...
It seems like a good platform overall.
Even though the gun has proven effective in trials, it still looks a bit of a 'pea shooter' to me, compared to the actual size of the vehicle.
However, I know looks can be deceiving sometimes, so only time will tell if it's:
Ajax the Great
or
Ajax the Lesser...
Let's hope it proves itself with good, tactical awareness to assist in the field, with the ability to dash from midfielder to striker, occasionally ⚽️
Atb Gus 👍
My understanding is that the gun was added almost as an afterthought - the original requirement being for an armoured fighting vehicle troop carrier and command & control vehicle.
Then somebody (MoD?) said it should have a gun and hey presto, it's a tank!
The gun will give the crew a bit of confidence that they can fire back ... as long as it's nothing too serious.
@JimCarner great feedback, much appreciated 💪
I agree overall. The MOD identified an APS camouflage requirement a while back, but I'm surmising that they want to keep costs down, as it's already been delayed.
To get the main procurement sorted is paramount, then they can upgrade the vehicle over time.
You can overwhelm most armoured vehicles with loitering munitions nowadays, so it will be interesting to see those countermeasures...
Atb Gus 👍
@JimCarner
No worries, buddy 👍
I can read your replies and sent you one back...
First, we need 5G or 6G, then perhaps things shall improve overall 😉
Tracks sound loud
It's a bit big for a recon vehicle, what a profile. It is bigger than Warrior. Still CVRT needs replacing.
Overpriced, late, disliked & already obsolete. Sounds about right for UK MoD procurement!
What can it do that CV90 can't?
no aa or atgm carrier??? huh?
Will get a Javelin ATGM launcher.
I just hope the lads get the right stuff. They need Shouldn't be about money. When it comes to their lives, they should get the best.
Does it have a number plate so it can get a fine in ulez zones?
Do you get a brain?
"We fixed the crew's hearing damage issue caused by noise!"
"How did u boys fix that issue?"
"We added an extra earplug under the headphones!"
Recce vehicle ? - Obvs a different league from Scimitar but... its flippin MASSIVE (!) CVRT could go places Warrior just couldn't. (Has it still got a BV? :-) )
CVRT was made fore a doctrine of sneaking around unseen. With drones that has become impossible which necessitates a better protected and more heavily armed vehicle.
Good Old MOD Procurment again!
Everything made by the lowest bidder!
I like him or her that will be a great battlefield, tank I wish devon have one of those
57mm cannon firing LASER guided shells? APS?
"monster" lmao. The only thing monster about this is the obsolescence
And after 2 years of over maintenance they’ll start going down.
Does Ajax come with music too?
Plagued with problems. Would have been more intelligent to buy cv90 or lynx platforms and just built our own turrets for them
Ajax? What will they name the next fighting vehicles? Fairy Liquid? New Improved Daz? 😵💫
That thing still around? I thought they would have scrapped it.
All well and good but without APS (nothing of the sort was mentioned in the video) that also covers top attack threads, Ajax is not fit fot today's battlefield. Hunderts of IFV's littering Ukrainas crop fields should be enaugh of a warning.
I'm speaking of good vibrations..
Did they fix that problem? The problem was giving troops bad headaches.
Has it been subjected to live fire, and if so, what were the results?
"So thank you, Ajax Spray and Wipe" anyone remember that add?
"Monster vehicle"
It's just another IFV, if anything, a British PUMA
Edit: I've actually watched it, 9040 equivalent
Looks great, a lot better than the Warrior and Bulldog!
Yeah that's not difficult, those platforms are 30 and 60 years old respectably. For the obscene price tag on Ajax and the fact its taken over 10 years, you would hope so.
Pretty good; but does it require a bigger cannon? I think the 50mm bushmaster cannon the Americans are introducing might be required here.
.....a 'Tracked Overweight Turkey', hardly air-mobile, and under-gunned and obsolete before it enters service. A little something called the 'Ukraine War' has changed what the armed, armoured, reconaisance battlefield will look like and, within a decade, it will be autonomous - air and ground.
Not a great start but time will tell? but looking at the pictures you could drive a Nissan Micra where it was, how about some challenging Terrain? or is this just a whitewash?
WT really needs to add this to the tech tree.
Don't let squaddies loose on it with IRR paint and brushes!
Sweet drone target
Lots of recovery variants! 😭 Hope all wearing ear protection. So been tested over the weekend, must be ready for combat then.
Bit of a beast not small and nimble for recce work
Lot of talk about the reliability of the vehicle, my understanding of Ajax problems was that the 'crews' broke after a few days of the torture being inside this tin can.
It's an AFV, not a tank. A bit worrying that they don't all know that. So, has anyone tested it against modern weapons and drone munitions? Going by what we see in Ukraine, it might not last long on the battlefield.
My thought exactly. Yet with the delay in bringing the system to deployment and lessons learned from the Ukraine topside protection would, I feel, be paramount
don't get caught up in the classifications and naming that is more for internet warriors. in reality, they use what is needed where it is needed and don't care what you call it.
Next up, Ajax v just stop oil protestors on the road. Worth a watch.
If they shoot that shiny optics wouldnt it be useless from a bullet?
Cv 90 off the shelf would have been money better spent
The UK's new Ajax, been a while in the making. I hope it is better than the US Bradly FV.
No doubt a big improvement over the warrior just the 40mm ct cannon is a monster update
Dude was drifting a tank!
now the question is will its turret shoot slow as hell like the warrior or not
Seems under-gunned to me (50mm needed + Spike - perhaps they come in mid-life upgrade).
40mm is just fine, the Bundeswehr PUMA is 30mm, BMPs use a 30mm too, and I'm sure they can strap a Spike/other ATGM to it when the time is needed.
Why did we not just buy CV90?
bit noisy hope its not gonna be used as stealth
Just like the SA80 got there in the end but what a tortuous and expensive journey.
Wonder what the cost is compared to the Israeli Eitan ?
The Israeli Eltan was built to fight a one sided conflicts against third world very poorly trained forces.
I create technical manuals for these vehicles, AMA
It ain’t a tank mate…..how long did this take to procure? 20 years?
‘Monster new battlefield vehicle’ more like monstrous waste of taxpayers money (over 5 BILLION pounds so far), should’ve just bought the superior CV90
Looks like warrior? Or is it warrior upgraded & renamed??
Couldn't we build our own tanks?
Just watch out for the drones!
When will these be coming to CFB Suffield for training here?
I live in Canada. I could be wrong here, but last I heard, the BATUS facility there was being wound down and will eventually be decommissioned.
@@stevestruthers6180 With a war raging on in Europe and many European countries rearming it sounds like a bad decision, if true.
Just asking, why did the UK choose a variant of the ASCOD vehicle instead of the Cv90?
revolving doors and non exec positions up for grabs. basically brown envelope money.
44 tons really light DOH god help us//
looks like a warrior, you know the one your MoD spent millions upgrading just to bin them.
I wonder who got the kick back from that deal.
Talking to the troops to get feedback..
Yet none of them drove or operated the warrior..
No 155mm gun option?
The UK already has those on the AS90 !
Not even 35mm because the UK sucks. 🇬🇧🤡
Did I hear one of them call it a tank 0:31 🤣
Yeah, not sure he has to use layman’s language when he’s talking to the audience of Forces News.
Why has the troop carrier no main armament ??
Wunderbar!
So what makes it better than Warrior?
Digitall init
@@chad6080Hardly revolutionary.
Good question, it vibrates a lot when it moves, to a point it breaks its own electronics and gives its test drivers tinnitus, that’s something Warrior doesn’t do, or any competently built AFV for that matter
@@chad6080 replacing both, aries is afv. That and boxer are replacing warrior
French Steel according to Farage
No ambulance :)
these armoured vehicles are targets for smart missiles as war in Ukraine shows. lots will be lost in battle. also low flying planes as well. Ukraine rewrites war.
40 tons is really light, apparently.
Does Ajax still vibrate it’s crew into puking?