"After its introduction, no 2 wheel drive car ever won the manufacturer world championship". No, Lancia's two wheel drive 037 won the manufacturer world championship in 1983, beating the quattro by two points.
In finland when mikkola drove the s1 he said after ouninpohja stage. that "it feels like you were watching the driving outside off the car, i have heard that fighter pilot's have same feeling's". 😂😂😂 and after the stage his co-drive said "if somebody drives that stage faster i give my driving suit for him, and it was the only time ever when he spoke about mikkola driving.
2:56 so fucking true....but ppl still say it was THE rally car and they need to take of they nostalgy goggles, dont get me wrong if i hear that car in rl [now several times at local rallies] i get goosebumps, (and yes it brought 4x4) but as stohl mentioned after other manufactors brought 4x4 to the table it was over
+deadeye0o Agree. Manfred Stohl really gets to the point. The idea of Audi with the 4x4 was great, but Lancia and especially Peugeot put the whole Group B to another level with their mid-engined lightweight cars. But the Audi is still the only Group B which everybody recognizes by sound. Marvelous!
The Quattro was never really a Group B car. It was a road car with all wheel drive that was brought to rallying. The other manufacturers didn't convert their existing road cars for rallying, instead they made purpose built mid-engine rallying buggies with a spaceframe construction, and then they put on body panels that resembled their road cars. So this has to be considered. Also, it wasn't really "over" when Lancia and Peugeot made their all wheel drive Group B cars (and let's not forget the MG Metro and the RS 2000, which were new, awd GrB cars that were never that competitive and were behind the Quattro). The Quattro proved it can stay competitive, finishing in the top 3 even when they had the worst spec car (1984 short wheel base), and then with the winged E2 they could be in the lead and even win. At the same time, Audi was limiting its involvement because of safety concerns with Gr B and for the 1986 season they had reduced their participation to only several of the events. And let's not forget the secretly built mid-engine Quattro which Rohrl test-drove in 1985 and said it was immediately at least as good as the E2, without any development or set up work ever being done on the mid-engine car (and without the E2 aero). The Audi board was always against it though and apparently they had the car destroyed when they found out about it. Finally, the best part - the Quattro had the final word at the 1987 Pikes Peak. The most extreme Quattro vs the most extreme 205 T16. It took Peugeot a brand new car to barely beat the 1987 Rohrl record with the Quattro. So no, it's not as black and white and it's still amazing what Audi managed to do with a heavy, unibody, front engine road car.
Nur mit klang gewinnt man keine Rally, es ist kein Sound Kontest. Peugeot 205 T16 war besser, schneller, zuverlässiger und hat alles gewonnen was es zu gewinnen gab 💪
Without a doubt. You will get the Lancia fanboys, the impreza guys etc but the game changed with the quattro. Besides just listen to it. The absolute defining supercar of the 1980s
most influental car, but not the best by any stretch. they came - held clear technological advantage of AWD until others built new cars. then they were nowhere. the 205 T16 ran circles around the sport quattro as soon as it came around in late 1984 and an audi never won again. the short quattros and the big winged famous S1 E2 was rubbish. spectacular but rubbish.
Very understeering car for placing the engine too far ahead. The first consequence is that the weight distribution is very uneven between the front and rear axles, which made it necessary to not be able to use a more favorable distribution of torque to the rear axle to be able to turn faster, due to the low weight that it had to hold compared to the front axle, which had an impact on motricity, being only able to use 50-50, compared to a 65-35 or even a 70-30 that used Peugeot or Lancia that made them much more agiles in the corners. The second reason is that with such a forward position of the engine an inertia is generated towards the outside in the corners that increased this understeer. Actually, conceptually the Audi Quattro was a Gr. A, very powerful of course (with an engine 400 cm3 bigger than rivals), but the obsession of Audi to make a car like the series clearly penalized them.
LMAO what? Won championships three in a row plus two pikes peaks..... How was that "easily beaten" ? And no the S4 is the greatest group B car...... S4 entered and won the last two races of the season in 85. And 86 results isn't fair to conclude knowing all the incidents that took. Place. Henri beaing sick and dying, etc..... One thing for sure is that the Quattro is the best sounding rally car of all time.......
+UltimateWheelman I guess the VW concern doesn't want its brands to directly compete with each other. Same reason why Škoda doesn't compete in WRC class anymore.
3:27 Guys, what about 1983? Mikkola won the drivers title with the Audi, but Lancia won the manufacters title with the 037.
"After its introduction, no 2 wheel drive car ever won the manufacturer world championship". No, Lancia's two wheel drive 037 won the manufacturer world championship in 1983, beating the quattro by two points.
and don't forget that Walter Röhrl was the last to win the driver's title in a 2 wheel drive car on the Opel Ascona 400
War das Audi Scheißhaus wirklich so langsam?
In finland when mikkola drove the s1 he said after ouninpohja stage. that "it feels like you were watching the driving outside off the car, i have heard that fighter pilot's have same feeling's". 😂😂😂 and after the stage his co-drive said "if somebody drives that stage faster i give my driving suit for him, and it was the only time ever when he spoke about mikkola driving.
I Love the Audi Quattro
They really need to bring Group B back to rallying.
AUDI QUATTRO LEGEND.............24 YEAR OLD GROUP B 21 CENTURY TOP CONTENDER
Now we see cars like this in World RX :-)
I'd kill to see a World RX car flying through a rally stage.
Who must I kill for that? :D
2:56 so fucking true....but ppl still say it was THE rally car and they need to take of they nostalgy goggles, dont get me wrong if i hear that car in rl [now several times at local rallies] i get goosebumps, (and yes it brought 4x4) but as stohl mentioned after other manufactors brought 4x4 to the table it was over
+deadeye0o Agree. Manfred Stohl really gets to the point. The idea of Audi with the 4x4 was great, but Lancia and especially Peugeot put the whole Group B to another level with their mid-engined lightweight cars. But the Audi is still the only Group B which everybody recognizes by sound. Marvelous!
Let's not forget Audi quickly switched focus to IMSA and other forms of track racing.
The Quattro was never really a Group B car. It was a road car with all wheel drive that was brought to rallying. The other manufacturers didn't convert their existing road cars for rallying, instead they made purpose built mid-engine rallying buggies with a spaceframe construction, and then they put on body panels that resembled their road cars. So this has to be considered.
Also, it wasn't really "over" when Lancia and Peugeot made their all wheel drive Group B cars (and let's not forget the MG Metro and the RS 2000, which were new, awd GrB cars that were never that competitive and were behind the Quattro). The Quattro proved it can stay competitive, finishing in the top 3 even when they had the worst spec car (1984 short wheel base), and then with the winged E2 they could be in the lead and even win. At the same time, Audi was limiting its involvement because of safety concerns with Gr B and for the 1986 season they had reduced their participation to only several of the events.
And let's not forget the secretly built mid-engine Quattro which Rohrl test-drove in 1985 and said it was immediately at least as good as the E2, without any development or set up work ever being done on the mid-engine car (and without the E2 aero). The Audi board was always against it though and apparently they had the car destroyed when they found out about it.
Finally, the best part - the Quattro had the final word at the 1987 Pikes Peak. The most extreme Quattro vs the most extreme 205 T16. It took Peugeot a brand new car to barely beat the 1987 Rohrl record with the Quattro.
So no, it's not as black and white and it's still amazing what Audi managed to do with a heavy, unibody, front engine road car.
Nur mit klang gewinnt man keine Rally, es ist kein Sound Kontest. Peugeot 205 T16 war besser, schneller, zuverlässiger und hat alles gewonnen was es zu gewinnen gab 💪
PEUGEOT 205T16 !!!!!
Monster Legends!
Best rally car ever!!
Mit Sicherheit nicht 🤣
It still looks good today...iconic car really.. one of those game changers like the Model T
Peugeot 205 T16 sieht 1000mal besser aus
Ohhhhhh mmmmmmyyy gooooooddd!
Without a doubt. You will get the Lancia fanboys, the impreza guys etc but the game changed with the quattro. Besides just listen to it. The absolute defining supercar of the 1980s
most influental car, but not the best by any stretch. they came - held clear technological advantage of AWD until others built new cars. then they were nowhere. the 205 T16 ran circles around the sport quattro as soon as it came around in late 1984 and an audi never won again. the short quattros and the big winged famous S1 E2 was rubbish. spectacular but rubbish.
Funny, when you can remember that you saw a new tech just starting ! Good memories ...
Very understeering car for placing the engine too far ahead. The first consequence is that the weight distribution is very uneven between the front and rear axles, which made it necessary to not be able to use a more favorable distribution of torque to the rear axle to be able to turn faster, due to the low weight that it had to hold compared to the front axle, which had an impact on motricity, being only able to use 50-50, compared to a 65-35 or even a 70-30 that used Peugeot or Lancia that made them much more agiles in the corners. The second reason is that with such a forward position of the engine an inertia is generated towards the outside in the corners that increased this understeer.
Actually, conceptually the Audi Quattro was a Gr. A, very powerful of course (with an engine 400 cm3 bigger than rivals), but the obsession of Audi to make a car like the series clearly penalized them.
Its FAST!
Whats the song used here?
I was in the world record breaking audi Quattro
Schön für dich 🤦
The Quattro came - and was very quickly beaten - can't even compare to a Lancia S4 or the true king of group B the 205 t16.
LMAO what? Won championships three in a row plus two pikes peaks..... How was that "easily beaten" ? And no the S4 is the greatest group B car...... S4 entered and won the last two races of the season in 85. And 86 results isn't fair to conclude knowing all the incidents that took. Place. Henri beaing sick and dying, etc..... One thing for sure is that the Quattro is the best sounding rally car of all time.......
it s GROUP B ! ! ! FIA destroy it Well done you don t reserve to post that videos
that 5 cilinder noise is so beautifull till this day the rs3 still has the same '"scream" to it i fucking love itttttt
Lancia doesn’t agree
037 beat the Quattro
why Audi does not participate in WRC today?
Audi would probably join if they could make a diesel rally car.
+RPDBY VW = Audi
John good pint
John They could still have Audi in WRC if they wanted, like Audi and Porsche in WEC.
+UltimateWheelman I guess the VW concern doesn't want its brands to directly compete with each other. Same reason why Škoda doesn't compete in WRC class anymore.
just an adv.