4 wheel drive weighs 75kg more than 2 wheel drive, but Tiptronic is 40kg heavier than the manual, so the difference in total weight of the two cars in this video is minimal, but interestingly, most of the extra 4wd weight is on the front wheels whereas most of the extra Tiptronic weight is on the rear wheels, so the C2S has quite a lot more rear weight bias.
A lot of people talked about the wider look of the C4S but in reality, the total difference is only 1.5 inches. It's so minute that it doesn't even really show. And not really visible unless you put spacer in the 4S. But then the tires will stick out a bit more that's it. The 911s that truly shows the difference between the narrow body and wider body are the mid 70s through to the early 90s. It's liek day and night but with only 1.5 inches difference? I like the 4S for it's AWD. It's safer when it snow. Otherwise I'd go for the 2S.
I own two 991.1's a GTS (PDK) and a C4S (Manual) both wide bodies, the all wheel drive on the 991.1(C4S) even though its planted the steering feels almost as light and responsive as the GTS rear wheel drive, amazing technology as you really do not feel the all wheel drive grip kick in until it is gradually needed for situation and performance. They are both a joy to drive for different reasons, normally aspirated PSE systems are music to the ears
just over 90k! nice work! keep the videos coming. you are the best Porsche specific channel on youtube. I have been a subscriber since last February and I think you were at 40-50k back then.
The awd feels planted but there’s nothing like a proper rear wheel + manual 😊. As you’ve mentioned, you have to be on your toes and alert. It’s more lively and more rewarding to drive imo.
When test driving a couple 2S and 4S models I had exactly the same observations as you Satch. Couldn’t really choose between the two, until a nice specced 2S (with rare X51 powerkit and other nice options) came on my path. Bought that one, it’s a manual of course. Haven’t looked back since, but I remember also really liking the planted feeling of the 4S.
Great review. I like your presentation style, straight and to the point. I'd love to compare myself but alas I only have one type, a 997.2 C2S w/ Sport+ & PSE. I swapped out the OEM muffler bypass with an aftermarket German product and when I open the valves, the exhaust sound is significantly improved. I do take highway curves at higher speeds on morning commutes, and to your point it is a lively exchange, knowing you have that pendulum in the back swaying you around - but that is what I enjoy most about the car; the sensation of driving a 911 is unique. Those two dot ones are gorgeous in those colours.
Didn’t mention the price difference if any as they were both of similar age. Looking forward to your cayman review as I own a cayman 987.1. Finally good to see you back to your old self
Awesome colors on both, great looking porches. Love your channel, keep up the uploads. Learned so much from you. You got me hooked on buying Porche one day. Cheers from Canada mate!! I was i UK London second week of January and you have some sick cars there. Met some awsome people there, if you were going to buy your first Porche based on your experience now. Which would you pick Cayman or 911, with 50k budget. Thanks and keep them coming mate!!!
Great vid! I’ve been a proud owner of both the 4S and 2S and I prefer the 2S. Mainly because it has more of a raw feel. I like to break the rear end loose every once in a while and the 2S allows me to do it. Just my own preference between the two. Both are amazing cars. Keep up the good work!
I think the 997 is the sweet spot for the 911 on looks and size. I would keep to a manual car fo rmy own preference, but would need to drive a 4S and S back to back on roads I know well to determine which way to jump. On looks alone - the 4S every day, but I'd have to go with the better drive regardless of looks. One day maybe as a replacement to my Cayman R, but would prefer to wait till I could get one as a stable mate! (It could be a veeery long wait)
Well done on the video, man. Great production and commentary. Good reference for the difference in the two. I think I'd go 4S. Scratch that... I KNOW I'd go 4S.
I drove both at the Porsche experience center. Both manuals. I went in thinking 4S would be the one for me, left with exactly the opposite opinion. I was surprised and I would encourage you to go drive both back to back.
Nice video thanks. Did you know that on a 997.2 C4S , if you pull up the handbrake just one one click, it turns the car into a 2wd 911, deactivating the front end. It works, trust me but not sure if this is the case with a 997.1 though - maybe you should try?
An enjoyable video well produced. Having passed my sell by date ,cafe racer in the 60s. Without doubt the 2S just for the sheer pleasure of the input. 997.1 manual yes you could dissapear through a hedge in the wet easily resisting is one of lifes little pleasures. Again a good and fair review keep up the good work!
As a long term 4S owner, I have had it sideways more times than I could count on spiritted drives. I find the 4S nose to be a lot less bouncy and vauge at high speeds compared to the S. Of course when you look in your side mirrors, there is no getting away from those wide hips! 😁
Oddly enough I would say the difference in the way they drive is minimal, but the S versions are nearly always much higher spec, and that's what can make them worth more.
I look forward to seeing new videos on this channel, as time consuming as they must be would love to see more ... thanks for all the time you put into it!!
I don’t know about the tiptronic. Imo, Porsche 911 and automatic is like oil and water lol.. They don’t mix. All I know is I miss the gt3 tail on your car lol. Looks naked without it. But I hear you... it’s the flavor of the month. It’s what you’re feeling atm and it’s all good. Just make sure the tail returns in the near future 😊.
Good looking cars. Very nicely detailed. Great review. Driving a rear wheel drive with proper rubber in the winter is actually not bad and quite frankly it is a lot of fun. I live in Chicago so I speak from experience. Both cars are great in this review but like knifes, each for a different purpose. You nailed it.
Nice fascial expression when cornering satch 😆 i dont think both cars needed to be manual, there are plenty of both out there and i have considered manual for pure driving experience or auto for busy town driving.
The C2S would be much lighter it manual. God awful Tiptronic S! The C2S is just a much better car to drive, more fun and more agile. However, the 4S is far better on those wet, snowy, icy roads etc. Plus the 4 wheel drive is adaptive depending on where the grip is needed. I don't think the 4S is really that much wider unless you reaallllly look for it. Wheel size/design and ride height does add to it though. Good video again mate 👍
Can the tires make a difference on the gripp of the S ? I don't know what make were on the S or if they are the same as the ones on the 4S !! Very interesting review !! Thanks a lot 😁
Thanks. Awesome review. I would have like to know little more regarding the cost to maintain the 4S and economy between the two. Suppose its not a big deal anyway. Looking for another although i just can't part with my Boxster.
It’d be just like any other awd vehicle versus a rwd iteration. There’s a front diff that will fluid changes every so often and you will not be able to lengthen your tire life span by rotation frequency to the degree that you can on a rwd car. Rwd won’t have to worry about the CV axle will go at some point on the 4s
The 2S is for people who can drive. On country roads the 2S is a lot more fun. A 4 wheel drive is what you need in a car with front engine where you can't get the force power on the road. A Porsche does not need 4wd. And I would never get a sports exhaust. Why bother others with the noise of my car. This is obnoxious.
It’s down to cost - the 4S is premium costs compared to the 2S Ive driven rear wheel drive 911’s for years your experience going around the roundabout was hilarious
Depends on £££. If talking reasonable money then gen 2 996 or any 997 Carrera. Normal sports seats are really comfortable. All Carreras great fun and plenty quick enough for our roads. Late model 987 Boxster S not to be sniffed at either. If all year round car then Carrera 4 is gr8 choice
Great video 👍 Sorry may be I miss understood I thought any “S” variant had the wider body so I was under the impression a 4s and 2s both have the same wider body type and size over the standard cars - am I wrong ?
Indeed you would. I've owned 16 (911S) models. The extra power can save your life or take your life. My 4S (997.2 with 12,923 Miles is a blast to drive. Fabspeed Intake adds 14Hp to the wheels. Simply awesome. I ditched a 991 to fall in love again. The 991 defies physics but the 997.2 just feels more Porsche-ish
Im actually about to pull the trigger on an 07 4s and keep on going back to reviews like this because I really just wanted 2wd S as I feel it would bring the most enjoyment. It sucks cause I feel like if I buy the 4s I will always wonder about the S
I think I'm liking this new format, the jokes, the fannying about the overall less serious nature. Too many people look at cars like these and drive them wearing a scowl. If you can't enjoy your car, then why have it? It's a sports car, not a garage queen.
Reported weight differential is 55 kg. Which would be pretty respectable to run a driveshaft, box and shafts out the front, I suspect with fluids etc., it would be several kg more than that. 15 kg would be a no-brainer choice to go for 4s over 2s, stating 15kg makes this video misleading from my research......I don't think you are in any way trying to mislead anyone! Maybe check number stats again and at least note the difference?
I’m about to be 19 and love 911’s, I have been looking and it would be possible for me to get into a 996 selling my car and using that as a down payment (would be about 7k-8k give or take) do you think it’s worth the car payment or do you think it’s too irresponsible?
4 wheel drive weighs 75kg more than 2 wheel drive, but Tiptronic is 40kg heavier than the manual, so the difference in total weight of the two cars in this video is minimal, but interestingly, most of the extra 4wd weight is on the front wheels whereas most of the extra Tiptronic weight is on the rear wheels, so the C2S has quite a lot more rear weight bias.
A lot of people talked about the wider look of the C4S but in reality, the total difference is only 1.5 inches. It's so minute that it doesn't even really show. And not really visible unless you put spacer in the 4S. But then the tires will stick out a bit more that's it. The 911s that truly shows the difference between the narrow body and wider body are the mid 70s through to the early 90s. It's liek day and night but with only 1.5 inches difference?
I like the 4S for it's AWD. It's safer when it snow. Otherwise I'd go for the 2S.
I own two 991.1's a GTS (PDK) and a C4S (Manual) both wide bodies, the all wheel drive on the 991.1(C4S) even though its planted the steering feels almost as light and responsive as the GTS rear wheel drive, amazing technology as you really do not feel the all wheel drive grip kick in until it is gradually needed for situation and performance. They are both a joy to drive for different reasons, normally aspirated PSE systems are music to the ears
Finally, a video which shows how they both genuinely feel mid corner. Thank you. S it is.
Great upload mate 😊Do you detail your own car? It’s absolutely beautiful man it looks like you have just driven out of the showroom
just over 90k! nice work! keep the videos coming. you are the best Porsche specific channel on youtube. I have been a subscriber since last February and I think you were at 40-50k back then.
The awd feels planted but there’s nothing like a proper rear wheel + manual 😊. As you’ve mentioned, you have to be on your toes and alert. It’s more lively and more rewarding to drive imo.
When test driving a couple 2S and 4S models I had exactly the same observations as you Satch. Couldn’t really choose between the two, until a nice specced 2S (with rare X51 powerkit and other nice options) came on my path. Bought that one, it’s a manual of course. Haven’t looked back since, but I remember also really liking the planted feeling of the 4S.
Great review. I like your presentation style, straight and to the point. I'd love to compare myself but alas I only have one type, a 997.2 C2S w/ Sport+ & PSE. I swapped out the OEM muffler bypass with an aftermarket German product and when I open the valves, the exhaust sound is significantly improved. I do take highway curves at higher speeds on morning commutes, and to your point it is a lively exchange, knowing you have that pendulum in the back swaying you around - but that is what I enjoy most about the car; the sensation of driving a 911 is unique. Those two dot ones are gorgeous in those colours.
Didn’t mention the price difference if any as they were both of similar age. Looking forward to your cayman review as I own a cayman 987.1. Finally good to see you back to your old self
beautiful cars. I would really take either. My Boxster is my favorite car ever. in a couple years, I will buy a 911. Thanks for the fun video.
Awesome colors on both, great looking porches. Love your channel, keep up the uploads. Learned so much from you. You got me hooked on buying Porche one day. Cheers from Canada mate!! I was i UK London second week of January and you have some sick cars there. Met some awsome people there, if you were going to buy your first Porche based on your experience now. Which would you pick Cayman or 911, with 50k budget. Thanks and keep them coming mate!!!
You always put out a quality video. Thanks. I prefer the 4s for the handeling and body looks.
Possibly the best real world/real guy comparison view I've ever watched. Bravo 👏
Great vid! I’ve been a proud owner of both the 4S and 2S and I prefer the 2S. Mainly because it has more of a raw feel. I like to break the rear end loose every once in a while and the 2S allows me to do it. Just my own preference between the two. Both are amazing cars. Keep up the good work!
Business as normal and another brilliant review, roll on the next
I think the 997 is the sweet spot for the 911 on looks and size. I would keep to a manual car fo rmy own preference, but would need to drive a 4S and S back to back on roads I know well to determine which way to jump. On looks alone - the 4S every day, but I'd have to go with the better drive regardless of looks. One day maybe as a replacement to my Cayman R, but would prefer to wait till I could get one as a stable mate! (It could be a veeery long wait)
Not if you drove the 997.2 with PDK. I NEVER dreamed of making such a statement but is true.
Well done on the video, man. Great production and commentary. Good reference for the difference in the two.
I think I'd go 4S. Scratch that... I KNOW I'd go 4S.
I drove both at the Porsche experience center. Both manuals. I went in thinking 4S would be the one for me, left with exactly the opposite opinion. I was surprised and I would encourage you to go drive both back to back.
Where are you based Satch. Think it would be a cool idea to arrange a Porsche meet via this channel. If you need a place I have something in mind.
997.1 4S cab got me with its rear look resembling on a 356 A. Had a S too, but here the look is simply more attractive.
Nice video thanks. Did you know that on a 997.2 C4S , if you pull up the handbrake just one one click, it turns the car into a 2wd 911, deactivating the front end. It works, trust me but not sure if this is the case with a 997.1 though - maybe you should try?
An enjoyable video well produced. Having passed my sell by date ,cafe racer in the 60s. Without doubt the 2S just for the sheer pleasure of the input. 997.1 manual yes you could dissapear through a hedge in the wet easily resisting is one of lifes little pleasures. Again a good and fair review keep up the good work!
Glad to see you still making vids mate :-)
As a long term 4S owner, I have had it sideways more times than I could count on spiritted drives. I find the 4S nose to be a lot less bouncy and vauge at high speeds compared to the S.
Of course when you look in your side mirrors, there is no getting away from those wide hips! 😁
You said ’bush’ 🤣😂🤣. I have a 991.1 4S PDK and loads of confidence! “Planted” is the word I’m looking for. Great review as always.
Nice video! Would be very interesting to compare 997.1 carrera vs. 997.1 carrera S, just to see if its worthy to pay the extra money.. 🤷🏻♂️
Oddly enough I would say the difference in the way they drive is minimal, but the S versions are nearly always much higher spec, and that's what can make them worth more.
Great entertainment this morning thanks!
In the 997 i like the feel of the more planted front with 4s. In the 991 the AWD is not necessary.
I look forward to seeing new videos on this channel, as time consuming as they must be would love to see more ... thanks for all the time you put into it!!
The review I've been waiting for lol 👍
Love your channel , can you please fix your front spoiler my eyes keep getting attracted to it lol
The best combo is 2S manual 👌
Why is that? Weight and kicking out?
2S I got but I prefer the look of the 4S the width on those rear wings just look stunning
Keep up the good work fella 👍
I don’t know about the tiptronic. Imo, Porsche 911 and automatic is like oil and water lol.. They don’t mix. All I know is I miss the gt3 tail on your car lol. Looks naked without it. But I hear you... it’s the flavor of the month. It’s what you’re feeling atm and it’s all good. Just make sure the tail returns in the near future 😊.
Both look awesome. Sounds to me like you could be looking for a replacement soon?
Great review Satch for me, I would have to have both Mate.
Good looking cars. Very nicely detailed. Great review. Driving a rear wheel drive with proper rubber in the winter is actually not bad and quite frankly it is a lot of fun. I live in Chicago so I speak from experience. Both cars are great in this review but like knifes, each for a different purpose. You nailed it.
Great video and found this refreshing. Thank you very much and keep it up.
Beautiful contrast of colors. Gravitating towards the tiptronic as my 996/997 seach continues.keep vlogging,👍
I challenge anyone driving either of these cars and noticing the 15kg 😂
Its more like 75kg when comparing S vs 4S with the same transmission.
Some colour combo 🔥
I’m confused you are intimating the tiptronic is faster but it’s actually slower?
Nice fascial expression when cornering satch 😆 i dont think both cars needed to be manual, there are plenty of both out there and i have considered manual for pure driving experience or auto for busy town driving.
Great review. Get the spoiler back on 👍🏼
Awesome! Keep up the great work
Where did you get your seats?? Beautiful
Keep up the great content 👍
The C2S would be much lighter it manual. God awful Tiptronic S! The C2S is just a much better car to drive, more fun and more agile. However, the 4S is far better on those wet, snowy, icy roads etc. Plus the 4 wheel drive is adaptive depending on where the grip is needed. I don't think the 4S is really that much wider unless you reaallllly look for it. Wheel size/design and ride height does add to it though. Good video again mate 👍
Can the tires make a difference on the gripp of the S ? I don't know what make were on the S or if they are the same as the ones on the 4S !! Very interesting review !! Thanks a lot 😁
Thanks. Awesome review. I would have like to know little more regarding the cost to maintain the 4S and economy between the two. Suppose its not a big deal anyway. Looking for another although i just can't part with my Boxster.
It’d be just like any other awd vehicle versus a rwd iteration. There’s a front diff that will fluid changes every so often and you will not be able to lengthen your tire life span by rotation frequency to the degree that you can on a rwd car. Rwd won’t have to worry about the CV axle will go at some point on the 4s
The 2S is for people who can drive. On country roads the 2S is a lot more fun. A 4 wheel drive is what you need in a car with front engine where you can't get the force power on the road. A Porsche does not need 4wd. And I would never get a sports exhaust. Why bother others with the noise of my car. This is obnoxious.
“A Porsche is a Porsche is a Porsche”
How is running the s and 4s as a daily in the north east mate? Moving back to Newcastle soon and looking at a 997.2
Good vid Satch
It’s down to cost - the 4S is premium costs compared to the 2S
Ive driven rear wheel drive 911’s for years your experience going around the roundabout was hilarious
Great video cars look amazing 👍
Great review! Thanks. Can you tell me for a senior buyer who wants a Porsche but isn’t interested in the hard ride what should I be looking at?
What about the smaller and larger SUV’s?
A 997 Carrera (non S) is surprisingly comfortable.
Depends on £££. If talking reasonable money then gen 2 996 or any 997 Carrera. Normal sports seats are really comfortable. All Carreras great fun and plenty quick enough for our roads. Late model 987 Boxster S not to be sniffed at either.
If all year round car then Carrera 4 is gr8 choice
Great video 👍 Sorry may be I miss understood I thought any “S” variant had the wider body so I was under the impression a 4s and 2s both have the same wider body type and size over the standard cars - am I wrong ?
Yes, only the 4wd cars are widebody, so a base Carrera 4 is actually wider than a Carrera 2S.
Love the colour combination of these 2 997S. The should come in pairs.😁
Thank you :)
Great comparison. I would love an “S” but I wonder how often I would use the extra power outside of a track?
Indeed you would. I've owned 16 (911S) models. The extra power can save your life or take your life. My 4S (997.2 with 12,923 Miles is a blast to drive. Fabspeed Intake adds 14Hp to the wheels. Simply awesome. I ditched a 991 to fall in love again. The 991 defies physics but the 997.2 just feels more Porsche-ish
Why not get these cars in exiting colors like grey and slightly darker grey?
How about engine oil? Change it before it is stored or change it in the spring? Or ??
Im actually about to pull the trigger on an 07 4s and keep on going back to reviews like this because I really just wanted 2wd S as I feel it would bring the most enjoyment. It sucks cause I feel like if I buy the 4s I will always wonder about the S
Buy both, problem solved
Did u get it?
I think I'm liking this new format, the jokes, the fannying about the overall less serious nature. Too many people look at cars like these and drive them wearing a scowl. If you can't enjoy your car, then why have it? It's a sports car, not a garage queen.
The 997.2 with PDK will smoke a Manual Transmission
I would have brought my 911 Carrera s 997 cab 3.8 manual for you to test drive i believe the weight is only 1440kg
Love ‘em both, but that blue...yowza
I’m not a pro driver so I like all 4 paws on the tarmac. Living in the north I want the control over the speed. as always #savethemanuals
So long as it's a Porsche :-) - the start of your sign off.... ;-)
X51S
Reported weight differential is 55 kg. Which would be pretty respectable to run a driveshaft, box and shafts out the front, I suspect with fluids etc., it would be several kg more than that.
15 kg would be a no-brainer choice to go for 4s over 2s, stating 15kg makes this video misleading from my research......I don't think you are in any way trying to mislead anyone! Maybe check number stats again and at least note the difference?
I’m about to be 19 and love 911’s, I have been looking and it would be possible for me to get into a 996 selling my car and using that as a down payment (would be about 7k-8k give or take) do you think it’s worth the car payment or do you think it’s too irresponsible?
If you can afford the insurance, go for it!
Both absolutely gorgeous! Nice comparison. The 6 speed is more fun to drive I bet but I wouldn't turn the tiptronic down.
where did you get the Porsche decal from on the 4S? Thanks
The 2S would not be faster around a track. The extra grip of the 4s would shave seconds off the lap time vs a 2S.
witch one is more expensive ?
ill have one 911 turbo S in any colour. or the carrera gt pls
am interested on 911 four wells drive,what should i look four to by that car,?
3:52 Hes loving itt!!!😆
"... Again, no, not in a sexual way." hahaha
I love them both LOL 👍👍❤️😃🚗
Just to put in perspective , one building brick weighs 2kg so the 4S is only 7 bricks heavier ! . little bit useless information for you :)
It is hard to listen to you while you have background music with singing.
Can’t get past the blue colour so that’s my pic.
Not an accurate weight comparison given they have different gearboxes.
What’s a boojit?
Background music sucks
Base Carrera!
No, not in a sexual way...lol