People keep going with Mobius' thought that Loki falling in love with Sylvie was narcissistic but another reading of it could be that Loki was finally learning to love himself rather than the intense self loathing he'd had so far.
I’d also add that Sylvie was totally different from him and that’s what attracted him. When he was surrounded by the variants of himself that were just like him he was super annoyed. Maybe he saw what he could be in her and that drove him to change and be better.
@@Amanda-wh8ww I like the scene on the bowling alley because Loki literally sees how the neverending backstabing is pointless and he is determined to find Sylvie again: the only variant who never wanted to be a villain.
@@sylviatamieanan4088 exactly! And he even says there that she doesn’t want rule the TVA she wants to bring it down. If you really watch their relationship there was no intentional flirting in the beginning or anything. It was him being attracted to how different she was, like any relationship. That’s why I think it was done so well.
That’s my take on it. He’s doing IFS therapy in front of our eyes. And that’s how we heal our early attachment injuries and reintegrate and accept all the fractured parts of ourselves.
Or for Marvel to somehow connect all their IP properties that are leased out to other studios by Conveying the belief of a multiverse which is not connected but connected . Genius on Marvel Studio’s part I must admit
@@darthdebaucherous954 I kept thinking " if they do open the multiverse, every marvel movie becomes cannon." So we DO HAVE Nicholas Cages ghost rider out there somewhere
Image if Odin was a good father and King Thanos comes with the black order Vs Odin- Father's of God's Frigga-The warrior Hela - Goddess of death Thor - The God of thunder Loki - The God of mischief Heimdall - The one who can see everything The warriors 3 and lady sif All the valkyries That wolf of hela And the entire Asgardian army
Funny how a show about a pass Loki sets up phase four of the mcu, would of never guessed that this would be the that one big marvel show, not even flacon or wandawision was this important to the mcu
Those two weren't supposed to be grand like this. Wandavision sequels into Multiverse of Madness; FaWS sets up the Phase 4 B Plot; and Loki structures everything for the major villain and coming stories.
Dude, These types of videos are wonderful. You give us the over-arching Character Development that makes these superhero characters seem more realistic. Bravo
Sylvie didn't turn on him. She was just too wrapped up in years of planning her mission to let it go. But these two belong together and I hope someday they will be.
idk for me its weird cause they're the same person. i loved how romantic loki became but i just wish it would be with a normal person not with a version of himself, it's just not it
@@aegonism - It's a sci-fi take on the concept of soulmates. There's nothing weird about it at all. They explained as early as episode 2 that Loki variants could look similar OR extremely different. They've shown us Loki variants who are black, Asian, or other white guys who aren't even remotely Tom Hiddleston, as well as Sylvie who is female. It's clear Loki variants don't all share similar DNA. In addition they have shown us how Loki and Sylvie, while sharing certain important personality traits, have significant differences in how they react and think as a result of their life experiences. Sylvie has never once tried to make herself a fascist dictator, for example. She's been fighting to give folks free will, which is the polar opposite of Loki's speech about the song of freedom and how people were made to be ruled. Ultimately, we have two different people who resonate with one another and have a deep understanding of one another. Soulmates.
@@FenrirInFlowers they look different but they are still the same person, and its disappointing but wtv ig disney chose it and its done, just not my favourite way to portrait soulmates
@@FenrirInFlowers also i get what youre saying about them acting different but they are very different also because sylvie didnt even had the opportunity to actually live, all lokis had basically the same life and sylvie just didnt get to have any of that so its not surprising that she became so different, our experiences are what makes us.
Honestly to get really meta about it, Marvel and Disney are absolutely using the Loki show as seemingly the main way to set up Phase 4 of the MCU. So in a way, the very show itself is adding to the growth and change of how we see the Marvel Cinematic Universe as a whole. To the grand story that is being told over and over again; of the heroes fighting the villains, working their way up to the Big Bad. Cyclical storytelling at its finest
Precisely! Its like loki is the introduction of the Phase 4 in the MCU. Propably this is the way how they would introduce the new villain which is I think is the Kang the Conqueror
@@noctambule6000 But what about that when his dad killed his uncle and so on. In the end T Chala established what was against his father. Sharing wakanda tech to world.
Loki is actually kind of like a wrestling Heel. That in wrestling, the more villainous the Heel to the Face (hero) character, the better the effect and the audience empathizes a whole lot more with the heroes. If there was no adversity for the Face, there is no drama in Wrestling. And the life of the Heel role is to constantly be mean, spiteful and evil and lose to the good guys. It is actually hard to keep up that Heel role with the audience constantly booing and hating on you and you keep losing as a sacrifice to make others look good. But on the other hand, if you can be so damn charismatic at being a Heel that people love you, that's when you know you got something going aka The Undertaker. But what makes Loki not your regular Heel is that the audience can see he's a smart guy with misplaced intentions. And he confesses in the TV show that he's playing a villain role because he wants attention, it isn't really who he is. It is said that narcissists give the impression that they're overly confident and put down others is because they actually feel incredibly insecure inside, so they artificially inflate themselves to seem like they're smart, know everything, on top of everything, be condescending so that you'll trust and believe them. And I think what's so beautiful about the TV series is this is Loki discovering who he really is, that he is capable of being a hero, of being able to love and that he doesn't have to be a villain as what was 'assigned' according to the 'Sacred Timeline' Loki has found that what he's really good at and also inspired by Sylvie, is that he can be an agent of Change. He questions, he wonders, he doesn't accept the status quo and he has realized that he can break out of his loop unlike his other variants. He helped break Mobius from his loop, he even tried to help Sylvie break out of hers but she wasn't in the right mind space, not yet. And honestly I am really happy that Heel Loki has finally turned Face, that we're now entering into a different universe of Heroic Loki and I'm just excited as anything.
So I had some thoughts now with Loki over with. I believe Sylvie's Nexus Event had nothing really to do with her gender. As mentioned, Loki can change his gender. Now, I believe her Nexus Event is that he/she wanted to become a Valkyrie. A good being, something Loki is not. To further explore this, Thor talks about how he wanted to become a Valkyrie back in Ragnarok but learned only females could become them. So Loki, being able to change his gender made the decision to permanently become female to become a Valkyrie. Now, my other thought is regarding Loki and Thor 4. I think the Loki TV show has actually explained this completely. I think while the Loki TV show will focus on the variant Loki, Thor 4 will reintroduce the original Loki that "died" in Infinity War. Why? Classic Loki. He talks about making an illusion that fooled even Thanos. But did that get him pruned? No. In fact he lives off grid for ages and is not pruned. It's only when he has "changed" and misses Thor and everyone else that he gets pruned. Meaning, our original Loki might just be off grid somewhere. And with the TVA basically not pruning anyone now, both Lokis are free to exist at the same time. It's pretty glorious and ballsy but Marvel could do it.
Omfg, I love your theory. Especially Sylvie potentially wanting to be a Valkyrie. The scene where she was playing with toys and saving the Asgard makes sense.
Dare I say Quantumania and Multiverse of Madness are going to be the next Avengers level movies? 🤷🏻♂️ then again, throw spider man in there, too, just for good measure
The fact Renslayer said free will belongs to "the ONE" in charge when the three statues were still up and Kang not revealed hints she knows a lot more than she's letting on
This show is the most comicbook-like project since Civil War. I love the deep lore. I think TM has done a memorable work here. Of all the characters I care about, Loki is the last villain I thought Marvel would feature this often. Thanks for another summation.
I'm a recovering Loki-holic (I genuinely love Marvel, but even I won't excuse their abuse). I'm genuinely sad, at the most egregious thing they've done (even though there's a plethora). Years and years of naturally growing films and character development, only to have it destroyed, in 6 episodes. Literally, NOTHING, mattered. Loki season 2 ? NOPE. For whatever reason, this awful show is getting another season. Its astounding how they UTTERLY destroyed Loki (everything that was naturally built up over the YEARS), in only 6 episodes. He was treated like a buffoon, and a side character in his own show. The irony about the show, being about the concept of time, and it was a literal waste of time. * This person states it beautifully* - "Never have I seen a show ruin the continuity of its universe so quickly. I suppose nothing matters anymore, what would've happened if Thor DID strike Thanos in the head? The TVA comes in and melts him, and then keeps resetting the timeline until he strikes the chest. There are no longer any stakes, any choices, any investment. Thanos? People making heart-rending choices to stop him? Our favorite heroes dying? Doesn't matter, it was all a predetermined part of the plan and doing ANYTHING else would result in their death/reset. The level of this goes down to something SIMPLE, as being late to work, and the TVA have already clearly been established as the villains of the story within the very first episode. Outside of this absolutely horrendous writing that the fans apparently see no problems with (4.8/5...) never have I seen a show destroy its canon, logic, and continuity so horribly and then play it off for a CHEAP LAUGH (Infinity Stones in a drawer/not knowing what a fish is, WTF). Never have I seen fans so willingly nod their heads along with it, this is just SAD. Without taking into account that some idiot had to write this and somehow not notice it destroys the previous films." * Beyond stupid, (racist blackwashing characters/misandrist characters/woke garbage). Nothing mattered because it was all by design, by He Who Remains. Every MCU film, from day 1, MEANT NOTHING. Days beforehand he DEFEATED the Avengers individually and then it took ALL of them just to defeat him, not to mention taking hits from the Hulk. Then days later, he somehow is time and time again, defeated by humans/conveniently forgets and remembers he has powers, that he could easily use to defeat them, forgetting that he's a literal God ? How did he go from being an ACTUAL threat (especially in Avengers 2012), to a misandrist buffoon joke in only a few days. What comical BS. YEARS of natural built up character development, from Iron Man to End-Game, and beyond, only to mean NOTHING. * Chad comic Loki -created the avengers because he’s a legit threat -can beat Thor and doctor strange in a 1 on 1. -had tons of magic abilities to even his shortcomings -had turned Odin’s dad(Bor) into snow. - he can turn himself into a dragon and resist Rouge’s drain touch because he’s a beast. - he created the absorbing man - can tank Spider-Man’s punches like their nothing. Virgin MCU Loki -has been a victim of terrible writing -only uses illusions (from what I know) -his redemption arc has been destroyed by one episode of his own show. - a victim of MCU time travel bullsh*t -became a simp to a Copycat Sue version of himself. - gets easily defeated by guards. * Extra bit, Frost Giant mention: Loki was magically enchanted by Odin (and possibly upheld by Frigga: that part's unclear) to even appear Asgardian. Yet.. even though they say magic doesn't work in the TVA: he retains his Asgardian look, and people are able to touch him without getting the uber-frostbite that briefly breaks the spell and points out that fact (and is a major turning point in his and the overall movie story) in the original Thor. * The fact that Loki stopped a falling building and flung it back twice as fast, yet he can't beat some jobber guards is baffling. * Loki caught an arrow mid-flight but he cant beat up regular people? Wait isn't he a god??
I love your love letters to Loki. So on point. There are more untold stories for Loki in the MCU and I hope Tom Hiddleston sticks around for all of them.
@Bjorn Arnesen indeed it is. Like I said before not in a "Rick" kind of destructive way. Rick is a Nihilist, he doesn't really care about stuff (or pretends to not care). So he wouldn't bother if everything burns since everyone is going to die anyway. Morty is also a Nihilist, which is perfectly summed up by His Quote, in a sense that he has accepted that life is meaningless but he still wants to do good things.
I think Sylvie is a Valkyrie and not a Loki, that was her deviation. The TVA came and got her as she was pretending to be one. She's also more violent and bloodthirsty than other Lokis', in my opinion.
I think she wanted to be a Valkyrie but they would not have accepted a frost giant anymore than the people of our Loki's Asgard did. But that's it really. Don't forget how the frightened child st the TVA cried out for someone to help another prisoner. She was meant to be good. And that was incomprehensible to the TVA.
The season 2 of Loki was just close to perfection. It's been a long time I've never felt so much for a character, felt so much, especially at the final episode. Just imagine being him, was just so sad, and lonely. To live that kind of life.
If Loki is stuck in the endless loop, makes me sad for him. I've really come to like his character. Don't want him to be some goodie two shoes but still the anit-hero that is a hero.
I'm honestly sick of people saying "of course the only person Loki could love is himself cause he's such a vain nArcISisT." *SYLVIE. IS NOT. LOKI.* She literally says it in the finale. "I'm not you." They are two different people who have lived totally different lives.
But she plays the same role he plays. Theyre both outcasts and she even says she is hedonistic, just like him. The main difference, beyond growing up in apocalypses, is that she is good and doesnt care for power and recognition, unlike almost all of the variants. The way she is (and she's a loki, wanting it or not) allowed him to see that he could change too. Unfortunately she's on a path of revenge, and he understands that too because he once tried to kill his entire race after finding out they abandoned him as a baby. But she refuses to see he's right, thinking he doesnt really understands her, so she tricks him. But he did understand her (part because they have the same soul) and now she knows it. I'm sure she regretted tricking him and killing he who remains. She knows he was right, and I hope its not too late.
Yes, and no. If i met a male me from an alternative dimension, we would both be different personalities, but we'd still be the same soul or spirit, with drastic differences in our bodies, our wants in life, and our experiences. Think Rick and Morty. All those Ricks are still Rick Sanchez, and all those mortys are still Morty Smith.
Agreed and I hate all the articles about how much the fans hated the relationship. I loved it. Seeing it develop and how it made him understand himself was great.
I don't like the Sylki shipping it is just so toxic and if more people knew why by having a brain and seeing how many other Loki and marvel fans hate this than well I pity you all.
Such a beautiful essay on the god that Loki is and the genuine man he’s becoming. And all it took was a little love. DONT worry Loki. We’ve all loved you from the start. ❤️
Re-watching on heels of Quantumania. Loki has transformed completely, in a way nobody would’ve thought after Avengers 1. Would love to see Loki appear in Antman and help Lang some, on the path to seen his brother again - Thor.
In a way, Kang (he who remains version) is also a prisoner. Sure he has freewill and doesn’t have to worry about himself being pruned, but In order to maintain that, he’s forced to do one task or else face an infinite onslaught of variants that would erase him from existence.
I think this is why he mentions how the journey is important. In the end everyone is a prisoner caught in a loop and HWR is so tired that he would rather die and give the power to lokis rather than keep going around the loop. HWR is in a way the only one who knew he was in a prison whereas everyone else didn’t.
Love these character breakdowns! Never really got why everyone loved Loki until this series so getting the backstory makes it all make sense. I do think people need to reconsider the Sylvie love yourself thing. Sylvie was totally different from him and that’s what attracted him. When he was surrounded by the variants of himself that were just like him he was super annoyed. Maybe he saw what he could be in her and that drove him to change and be better.
Yeah he realised she wanted to be the hero and stop the TVA while he wanted (at first) to just overthrow them therefore making him a facist ruler and still a villain. She changed him, that's what he liked about her.
@@shreeya3789 A man claimed he had a bomb on a plane, demanded to land, leave all passengers and most crew, give him a parachute and a load of money, fly again and then jumped to be never seen again above the jungle. Some bills were found, but never a lead to his whereabouts.
Yes, we can easily make a Mobius Strip because we can manipulate the 2 dimensional rectangle in a 3 dimensional space. A Klein Bottle is truly impossible because we can't manipulate a 3 dimensional object in a fourth (spatial) dimension.
@@literatemax very true… however, you can certainly knit a 3D model of one. There’s a free pattern available for anyone with the skills to make it. I knitted the “hat version” for a math-loving friend a few years back.
4:40 well in the defense of the show reiterating Loki’s character, this Loki was a variant. A variant from endgame when I believe Tony went back in time to get the space stone, but Loki ends up picking up the space stone which wasn’t supposed to happen. Thus he was variant, remember how he found out that he was more or less destined to be killed by Thanos’ hand? Original Loki did grow as a character from Thor Ragnarok (potentially anyway), but this variant didn’t get to experience that since he came from 2012.
One thing I don't understand is that if the TVA tries to keep the sacred timeline from branching off, then why are there multiple universes (each with a Loki). But then I thought that a timeline is not the same as a universe. In other words, one timeline contains a multiverse. However, if timelines and universes are completely different things, then why be scared of a branching timeline if there are already infinite amount of universes? I mean, they called it the multiverse wars, not the timeline wars. So what am I missing?
Its quite confusing but I think a universe has multiple timelines (variations of events) e.g 14million in infinity war. But then there are multiple universes too but Kang made the sacred timeline isolated so they can't overlap into other universes. So the other universes exist but are separate from the sacred version. So when Dr strange said there was only 1 version they win, really he meant that's the only version as TVA would prune the rest. He just didn't know it.
FREAKING AWESOME BREAKDOWN🔥🔥🔥 It is clear that you are a fan of Loki's and you put up one hell of an argument of why he was right and why loki actually has a heart and cares👍👍👍
Now I understand why in the concept art he who remains has an iron man helmet in his office. As seen in age of Ultron, Tony also believes that free will should be sacrificed for the greater good. Tony: I see a suit of armor around the world Bruce Banner: sounds like a cold world Tony
I have a question: in the first Thor Movie we see Loki as a Baby in the hands of Odin transforming his appereance from the blue Ice Giant look to his dark haired, dark eyes look (some say it's beacause of a form of self defense mechanism as he sees the image of Odin's first born daughter in his Odin's memories). So, now in the TVA they say Loki has no power at all, even the Infinity Stones have no power. What could be the expenation of Loki not changing his appereance back to an Ice Giant?
Kang is the real problem. In Marvel, the multiverse has always been the default state of the overall verse, hence the Living Tribunal existing at all (and he’s in MCU as well), as he judges the multiverse and keeps watch over disturbances. Plus there’s the multiversal Eternity, a larger Eternity who embodies every other single universe Eternity. Kang usurped them and really, he was the problem. He just needs to prevent himself from being born to prevent inventions that breach each multiverse.
I’m surprised you never linked MCU-Loki’s growth to his arc in the comics, where the current iteration of Loki is the one who decided to change and the main difference is they finally said “fuck it” to getting approval from other people and went his own way (at least the God of Stories Loki did this, his current iteration is the God of Outcasts and he seems to have relapsed).
One thing remain unanswered. It’s never been explained how “He who remains” is able to 1) write a script for every one in the universe. 2) Control everyone to make sure they say and do everything on the script. He’s just a man flesh and blood. How is he controlling the minds and thoughts of every being in the universe on the sacred time line? There’s no reveal of a technology that can control peoples thoughts and speech and actions to adhere to a script he created/fabricated. He doesn’t have superpowers that does that as well. So please explain to me how he can word for word know what everyone is going to say? Even if the timeline is limited as in there is an end of time and it loops back to the beginning, did he watch everything from start to finish once then on a rerun he wrote down everything about everyone and everything? Then lived through the loops millions of times? And Loki and Sylvie were in the citadel in the study, that was in a space that’s out of time. So how could it have looped and happen before as it’s not on any time line?
Omgaaad Loki have grown up in me. I see so much of me in him. It's funny how synchronicity works. I myself have been in this narcissistic loop for a long time and started on the series the same day
Brilliant! You are so intuitive and if there was a LOKI UNIVERSITY, you'd be the most sought after lecturer. Thank you for this. You are my favorite analyst.
The one mistake I see in this meta is the assumption that Loki is a narcissist. This is a common mistake, partly because he is so often labeled as a narcissist by others. However, if you’re examine the psychology, Loki does not match with the definition of a narcissist. A true narcissist has no question of his superiority; Loki is plagued with self-doubt and self-loathing. A narcissist doesn’t seek attention, approval, acceptance, or love because he is convinced of his own inflated worth. By contrast, Loki constantly seeks attention, validation, and love because his self-esteem is so low. Superficially, Loki appears to be narcissistic because he is putting on an appearance that he thinks will gain him the love and respect of a truly narcissistic character: his father, Odin. Odin is a textbook narcissist; he presumes himself worthy to sit in judgement over everyone else, while ignoring his own immense mistakes. For example, Odin created Hela to be a warmonger, then exiled her to Hel for thousands of years because she was a warmonger. We all joke about Odin’s A+ parenting, but the problem runs beyond his mistreatment of his children-in part because he is never held accountable for what he has done. In his view, it is always someone else’s fault (Hela, Laufey, and Loki, for example). Yet, he remains in power and is honored and loved by the primary heroic character, Thor. Spoiler: When he dies in Ragnarok , he dissolves into a golden cloud to sweeping orchestral music, as if he is angelic. The many wrongs he has committed can’t be swept under a rug, so they are transmitted to other characters, who become pariahs, viewed as villains. This is the definition of the narcissist-scapegoat complex. The narcissist can convince himself and others that the scapegoat is to blame for all of the problems in the system. Hela was, for a time, Odin’s favorite-until he decided (for reasons that are not yet clear in the MCU) to stop starting wars and colonizing. At that point, the weapon he had molded his daughter to be was not only discarded but punished with unfathomable cruelty, for an eternity. No wonder she was pissed off when she was finally freed. Loki, on the other hand, never enjoyed his father’s approval. He was raised from the start as the scapegoat to Odin’s narcissist. As Loki states in Thor 1, Odin treated him with contempt while claiming to love him. This gaslighting is a standard element of the scapegoat-narcissist complex. In Thor: The Dark World, we see this dynamic firsthand: Odin is vicious in his judgement of Loki, telling his son that the only reason he is being imprisoned for life rather than executed is because his mother begged for his life. Odin clearly believes he has the higher moral ground, though he himself had done far worse than Loki for far longer in his warmongering days. It is evident that Loki is not the narcissist-he is, in fact, the opposite. He is the scapegoat who suffers the disproportionate blame for all the ills in the system. The effectiveness of the narcissist-scapegoat complex is dependent on how well it is disguised by lies and gaslighting. We see Loki endure gaslighting from not only Odin, but the rest of the family (who are also participants in the narcissist-scapegoat dynamic). As the audience, we are just as influenced as the characters on screen to believe Loki (and Hela) are the narcissists because that is the purpose of scapegoating. To see the real dynamic, you have to look past the narrative you are presented with and recognize it contains bias, not absolute truth. (Hence it is called a narrative-a story.) This kind of critical thinking is not something we typically bring to our entertainments like superhero films. Thus, it is unsurprising that Loki is generally mischaracterized as a narcissist not only in the fiction, but also in the real world.
Quick correction as someone who is a Narcissist, our belief that we are superior is, for the most part, false. We fake it. Self doubt is a big part of Narcissism, we just don’t show it like everyone else does. /gen
I loved it! Such a good take really delving into his character. In s2, Loki is going to be really hurt as he opened himself up to Sylvie and she betrayed him in the end. But he will have to fight those high stake emotional, rejected feelings like he had with Odin and forgive her instead of holding a grudge. So I'm guessing he'll be on a mission to find her? Maybe with Mobius, Kid loki and alligator loki in tow? 🤣 Ah can't wait, I hope we don't have to wait to long! ♤
I feel like Loki is beginning to kind of be the mcu version of the joker, a character or villain who we disliked at first but with more descriptions and character development we grow to relate to him more than we could Thor. Awesome show and can’t wait for the future of the mcu💪🏽🤙🏽
watch blackwidow the thing that movie is suck is. lack of villain background. if the movie jumpshoot of the villain story . how it related with the main hero it will be the most movie superhero ever. the audience just care about villain. a
That one shot of loki looks like from harry Potter movie lol. This show with all the timelines and different versions of Loki reminds me of the Halloween franchise lol
just to point out , a Mobius strip is possible to construct, whereas a Klein bottle (a looping bottle with only one side) is the one that's not possible to construct
I heard a theory awhile back that they’ll change Kang’s backstory to him being a distant descendant of Tony Stark instead of Reed, since they haven’t introduced the fantastic four in the mcu yet. Endgame emphasized that Tony has a daughter and his bloodline could live on and he created time travel. Like Tony, he is motivated to protect his world/timeline.
All I'm left thinking after watching Loki is: Why were Tobey and Andrews spiderverses allowed to stay? It's almost like we have multiple characters that exist within the context of a multiverse, but only when loki is present is there an organization that does anything about it. No one's out there pruning Tobey and Andrew. All those spider branches out there just running wild. I feel like the more they expand this universe the more the continuity issues arise.
Also, didnt endgame and the whole mcu play out once before kang was even born? If that is the case, where does loki go when he teleports with the tesseract? The TVA and kang didnt even exist the first time the mcu occured
i discovered that after i watch a movie if i think over that movie i actually see it in my head all at once. sure i remember how it started but somewhere in my brain the rest of the movie is playing all at the very same time. some people that ttry to tell you what happened in a movie they have seen gets tripped up by different scenes and have to check themselves and this is how i relate to the time theory you educating us with
Secret Wars was used to consolidate the storylines and stop confusing new authors. This is the opposite. This is how Marvel fits all the inconsistencies of various plots into one world. It’s brilliant. Worked for DC comics too. “Old Superman” was one of my favorite story arcs
Do you think season two will have Loki take steps back on trust since he had Sif tell him for what I assume is hours that he will be alone only to be shortly thereafter abandon by Slivi?
Id love to see a breakdown of HWR's plan. If you rewatch the s1 finale there are sooooo many hints that this is exactly what HWR wants. He literally gives the task of running the TVA to the two varients that represented the options themselves. Entropy is the balance between chaos and order. Where he needed loki to take the thrown and keep order in this universe, he needed Sylvie to be the beacon of chaos and actually kill him in order for loki to take said thrown. HWR says that it turns out that the person needed to replace him came in two. Loki would never have taken the seat had he not have a reason to sacrifice. Sylvie wpuld have killed HWR and left the seat empty which would have destroyed the timeline. So in s1 finale, HWR was right to say this stuff had to happen to get them in the correct "mind set" (forshadowing loki's timeslipping) to finish the quest. That quest being the multiversal war and him ending up back on the thrown. What a loop!
The point of the show was to introduce Kang, and act as a tutorial on the multiverse. We start with Loki, an MCU mainstay, in the scene we know him from. Then we see about the TVA, nexus events, the Marvel model of time travel. Then we see how powerful they are. We get a couple episodes to develop the Sylvie character, then we're shown many Lokis and how they interact. Finally we meet Kang at the _end_ of his narrative, and are told that he functions like the 'many lokis' from earlier. Only missing piece
Ok, so a big problem is that the MCU doesn't have time loops. If you go back in time you create an alternate timeline. It is possible to have a non-loop repeating and propagating series of timelines. Timeline N has a traveler go to timeline N+1 to create a change. The variant from N+1 travels to Timeline N+2 to create the same change, which echos to N+3, and on to N+x. None of these timelines circle back on themselves, thus no loop. Your past is your past, it can't be changed or altered. Anything that is past within your timeline is immutable, all you can do is go back and branch your timeline in your past to create a new timeline from that point in the past.
Umm Im sorry but how are "Variants'' a Minority??? They are quite literally every person in existence. Technically we (everyone ever) are variants. It's like God and the question older than Time: "Who created God and who created God's Creator etc etc ad nauseum.
What should we explain the point of next?
Civil war
Perhaps Black Widow, since so many reviews have remarked on why releasing the movie now, knowing she’s gone already, was pointless
Will loki affect eternal and Shang chi the ten rings?
I think y'all should look into the Double Slit Quantum eraser and how it shows cause and effect moving forward and backward through time
I'm not crying, you're crying 😭
People keep going with Mobius' thought that Loki falling in love with Sylvie was narcissistic but another reading of it could be that Loki was finally learning to love himself rather than the intense self loathing he'd had so far.
I’d also add that Sylvie was totally different from him and that’s what attracted him. When he was surrounded by the variants of himself that were just like him he was super annoyed. Maybe he saw what he could be in her and that drove him to change and be better.
@@Amanda-wh8ww I like the scene on the bowling alley because Loki literally sees how the neverending backstabing is pointless and he is determined to find Sylvie again: the only variant who never wanted to be a villain.
@@sylviatamieanan4088 exactly! And he even says there that she doesn’t want rule the TVA she wants to bring it down. If you really watch their relationship there was no intentional flirting in the beginning or anything. It was him being attracted to how different she was, like any relationship. That’s why I think it was done so well.
That’s my take on it. He’s doing IFS therapy in front of our eyes. And that’s how we heal our early attachment injuries and reintegrate and accept all the fractured parts of ourselves.
@Abe Lincoln They are more him than any twin in real life. Did you forget this is a fiction?
Season 2 starts with Mobius on a jet ski having the time of his life.
Edit: Thank you everyone for the 1k likes! This made my day!
In fact, the whole season is just that!
Or ends with that... achievement unlocked.
… and then gets taken by the TVA 😈
"Wooooooowwwwww!"
Ima say you pretty much called that one. You work for the TVA??
I personally think Loki was made to ease people into how confusing Kang is. Establishing timelines, variants, and well the man himself.
Or for Marvel to
somehow connect
all their IP properties
that are leased out
to other studios by
Conveying the belief
of a multiverse which
is not connected
but connected .
Genius on Marvel Studio’s
part I must admit
Or you could read the Edna's and get educated about Loki
@@darthdebaucherous954 and yet, the MCU didn’t create a Marvel multiverse that’s already present in the comics.
@@darthdebaucherous954 I kept thinking " if they do open the multiverse, every marvel movie becomes cannon." So we DO HAVE Nicholas Cages ghost rider out there somewhere
it was literally about his development lmao
Image if Odin was a good father and King
Thanos comes with the black order
Vs
Odin- Father's of God's
Frigga-The warrior
Hela - Goddess of death
Thor - The God of thunder
Loki - The God of mischief
Heimdall - The one who can see everything
The warriors 3 and lady sif
All the valkyries
That wolf of hela
And the entire Asgardian army
That's why he waited until Odin dead
Mind blown
Don't forget the Valkyries
@@vanaja2038 but he was pathetic
@@hyper9984 o yeah thanks for reminding
He didn’t want to be Thor he only ever wanted to be his equal
YES!!
That line was one of the most heartbreaking things Loki ever said to Thor.
I think it was 110% the truth.
That's the issue with him. Nobody is equal to nobody, except under the best human justice.
Didn't Loki say that in the first movie?
@@catspaw3092 yeah he did
@@tdub6542 Odin wasn't doing himself any favors by pitting his sons against each other no parent should be doing that to their kids.
Funny how a show about a pass Loki sets up phase four of the mcu, would of never guessed that this would be the that one big marvel show, not even flacon or wandawision was this important to the mcu
I'm sorry but did you have a stroke while typing this lol
@@YohaNico maybe it's not their first language, maybe
@@Nutriageek I was just joking about how they spelled falcon and wandavision. Apologies if I was being offensive in any way.
Those two weren't supposed to be grand like this. Wandavision sequels into Multiverse of Madness; FaWS sets up the Phase 4 B Plot; and Loki structures everything for the major villain and coming stories.
@@YohaNico yes I did have a stroke, I died and now I’m reaching out from beyond the grave…. Boo bitches 😂 sorry idk what’s wrong with me
Dude, These types of videos are wonderful. You give us the over-arching Character Development that makes these superhero characters seem more realistic. Bravo
Agreed
Ryan really is crushing it
Indeed, and it also points to the genius of Marvel.
He is amazing
Sylvie didn't turn on him. She was just too wrapped up in years of planning her mission to let it go. But these two belong together and I hope someday they will be.
idk for me its weird cause they're the same person. i loved how romantic loki became but i just wish it would be with a normal person not with a version of himself, it's just not it
@@aegonism - It's a sci-fi take on the concept of soulmates. There's nothing weird about it at all. They explained as early as episode 2 that Loki variants could look similar OR extremely different. They've shown us Loki variants who are black, Asian, or other white guys who aren't even remotely Tom Hiddleston, as well as Sylvie who is female. It's clear Loki variants don't all share similar DNA. In addition they have shown us how Loki and Sylvie, while sharing certain important personality traits, have significant differences in how they react and think as a result of their life experiences. Sylvie has never once tried to make herself a fascist dictator, for example. She's been fighting to give folks free will, which is the polar opposite of Loki's speech about the song of freedom and how people were made to be ruled. Ultimately, we have two different people who resonate with one another and have a deep understanding of one another. Soulmates.
@@FenrirInFlowers they look different but they are still the same person, and its disappointing but wtv ig disney chose it and its done, just not my favourite way to portrait soulmates
@@FenrirInFlowers also i get what youre saying about them acting different but they are very different also because sylvie didnt even had the opportunity to actually live, all lokis had basically the same life and sylvie just didnt get to have any of that so its not surprising that she became so different, our experiences are what makes us.
Good loki deserve better then her. He needs to stop being narcissistic
Honestly to get really meta about it, Marvel and Disney are absolutely using the Loki show as seemingly the main way to set up Phase 4 of the MCU. So in a way, the very show itself is adding to the growth and change of how we see the Marvel Cinematic Universe as a whole. To the grand story that is being told over and over again; of the heroes fighting the villains, working their way up to the Big Bad. Cyclical storytelling at its finest
Precisely! Its like loki is the introduction of the Phase 4 in the MCU. Propably this is the way how they would introduce the new villain which is I think is the Kang the Conqueror
You're insane
All Fathers in MCU needs parenting lessons.
Especially the Allfather
except for black panther's dad
@@noctambule6000 yeah, he just needs uncle-ing lessons.
@@noctambule6000 But what about that when his dad killed his uncle and so on. In the end T Chala established what was against his father. Sharing wakanda tech to world.
Except Tony
Loki is actually kind of like a wrestling Heel. That in wrestling, the more villainous the Heel to the Face (hero) character, the better the effect and the audience empathizes a whole lot more with the heroes. If there was no adversity for the Face, there is no drama in Wrestling. And the life of the Heel role is to constantly be mean, spiteful and evil and lose to the good guys. It is actually hard to keep up that Heel role with the audience constantly booing and hating on you and you keep losing as a sacrifice to make others look good. But on the other hand, if you can be so damn charismatic at being a Heel that people love you, that's when you know you got something going aka The Undertaker.
But what makes Loki not your regular Heel is that the audience can see he's a smart guy with misplaced intentions. And he confesses in the TV show that he's playing a villain role because he wants attention, it isn't really who he is. It is said that narcissists give the impression that they're overly confident and put down others is because they actually feel incredibly insecure inside, so they artificially inflate themselves to seem like they're smart, know everything, on top of everything, be condescending so that you'll trust and believe them. And I think what's so beautiful about the TV series is this is Loki discovering who he really is, that he is capable of being a hero, of being able to love and that he doesn't have to be a villain as what was 'assigned' according to the 'Sacred Timeline'
Loki has found that what he's really good at and also inspired by Sylvie, is that he can be an agent of Change. He questions, he wonders, he doesn't accept the status quo and he has realized that he can break out of his loop unlike his other variants. He helped break Mobius from his loop, he even tried to help Sylvie break out of hers but she wasn't in the right mind space, not yet. And honestly I am really happy that Heel Loki has finally turned Face, that we're now entering into a different universe of Heroic Loki and I'm just excited as anything.
You right bro
I miss Glow
Seeing good in Sylvie and by extension the other Lokis helped him accept himself.
I didn’t understand what this was all about? What does the ending mean? What’s going to happen now in season 2?
I hope this means we will get Loki in more Marvel movies bc he’s my favorite
So I had some thoughts now with Loki over with. I believe Sylvie's Nexus Event had nothing really to do with her gender. As mentioned, Loki can change his gender. Now, I believe her Nexus Event is that he/she wanted to become a Valkyrie. A good being, something Loki is not. To further explore this, Thor talks about how he wanted to become a Valkyrie back in Ragnarok but learned only females could become them. So Loki, being able to change his gender made the decision to permanently become female to become a Valkyrie. Now, my other thought is regarding Loki and Thor 4. I think the Loki TV show has actually explained this completely. I think while the Loki TV show will focus on the variant Loki, Thor 4 will reintroduce the original Loki that "died" in Infinity War. Why?
Classic Loki. He talks about making an illusion that fooled even Thanos. But did that get him pruned? No. In fact he lives off grid for ages and is not pruned. It's only when he has "changed" and misses Thor and everyone else that he gets pruned. Meaning, our original Loki might just be off grid somewhere. And with the TVA basically not pruning anyone now, both Lokis are free to exist at the same time. It's pretty glorious and ballsy but Marvel could do it.
I think both of ur theories are true
She was definitely good even as a child. At the TVA she was a scared little girl but still cried out for help for another prisoner.
Omfg, I love your theory. Especially Sylvie potentially wanting to be a Valkyrie. The scene where she was playing with toys and saving the Asgard makes sense.
Marvel showing us the beginning of a story....by starting at the end! Boss move! ✌️
Wym explain
@@earth2death end of the show is setting up the new season and probably other movies so other stories
I'm so hyped for Multiverse of Madness…
When will it be out?
This and Quantumania. I love the Antman movies.
@@maryham6533 they are simple and fun.
Dare I say Quantumania and Multiverse of Madness are going to be the next Avengers level movies? 🤷🏻♂️ then again, throw spider man in there, too, just for good measure
@@DanteLee88 Multiverse is looking to be a Civil War level movie with the number of big name characters and high expectations
The fact Renslayer said free will belongs to "the ONE" in charge when the three statues were still up and Kang not revealed hints she knows a lot more than she's letting on
This show is the most comicbook-like project since Civil War. I love the deep lore. I think TM has done a memorable work here. Of all the characters I care about, Loki is the last villain I thought Marvel would feature this often. Thanks for another summation.
You obviously haven’t seen daredevil.
@@Flome810 or read a single comic ever💀
I'm a recovering Loki-holic (I genuinely love Marvel, but even I won't excuse their abuse).
I'm genuinely sad, at the most egregious thing they've done (even though there's a plethora). Years and years of naturally growing films and character development, only to have it destroyed, in 6 episodes. Literally, NOTHING, mattered.
Loki season 2 ? NOPE. For whatever reason, this awful show is getting another season. Its astounding how they UTTERLY destroyed Loki (everything that was naturally built up over the YEARS), in only 6 episodes. He was treated like a buffoon, and a side character in his own show. The irony about the show, being about the concept of time, and it was a literal waste of time.
* This person states it beautifully* - "Never have I seen a show ruin the continuity of its universe so quickly. I suppose nothing matters anymore, what would've happened if Thor DID strike Thanos in the head? The TVA comes in and melts him, and then keeps resetting the timeline until he strikes the chest. There are no longer any stakes, any choices, any investment. Thanos? People making heart-rending choices to stop him? Our favorite heroes dying? Doesn't matter, it was all a predetermined part of the plan and doing ANYTHING else would result in their death/reset. The level of this goes down to something SIMPLE, as being late to work, and the TVA have already clearly been established as the villains of the story within the very first episode. Outside of this absolutely horrendous writing that the fans apparently see no problems with (4.8/5...) never have I seen a show destroy its canon, logic, and continuity so horribly and then play it off for a CHEAP LAUGH (Infinity Stones in a drawer/not knowing what a fish is, WTF). Never have I seen fans so willingly nod their heads along with it, this is just SAD. Without taking into account that some idiot had to write this and somehow not notice it destroys the previous films."
* Beyond stupid, (racist blackwashing characters/misandrist characters/woke garbage). Nothing mattered because it was all by design, by He Who Remains. Every MCU film, from day 1, MEANT NOTHING. Days beforehand he DEFEATED the Avengers individually and then it took ALL of them just to defeat him, not to mention taking hits from the Hulk. Then days later, he somehow is time and time again, defeated by humans/conveniently forgets and remembers he has powers, that he could easily use to defeat them, forgetting that he's a literal God ? How did he go from being an ACTUAL threat (especially in Avengers 2012), to a misandrist buffoon joke in only a few days. What comical BS. YEARS of natural built up character development, from Iron Man to End-Game, and beyond, only to mean NOTHING.
* Chad comic Loki
-created the avengers because he’s a legit threat
-can beat Thor and doctor strange in a 1 on 1.
-had tons of magic abilities to even his shortcomings
-had turned Odin’s dad(Bor) into snow.
- he can turn himself into a dragon and resist Rouge’s drain touch because he’s a beast.
- he created the absorbing man
- can tank Spider-Man’s punches like their nothing.
Virgin MCU Loki
-has been a victim of terrible writing
-only uses illusions (from what I know)
-his redemption arc has been destroyed by one episode of his own show.
- a victim of MCU time travel bullsh*t
-became a simp to a Copycat Sue version of himself.
- gets easily defeated by guards.
* Extra bit, Frost Giant mention: Loki was magically enchanted by Odin (and possibly upheld by Frigga: that part's unclear) to even appear Asgardian. Yet.. even though they say magic doesn't work in the TVA: he retains his Asgardian look, and people are able to touch him without getting the uber-frostbite that briefly breaks the spell and points out that fact (and is a major turning point in his and the overall movie story) in the original Thor.
* The fact that Loki stopped a falling building and flung it back twice as fast, yet he can't beat some jobber guards is baffling.
* Loki caught an arrow mid-flight but he cant beat up regular people? Wait isn't he a god??
I love your love letters to Loki. So on point. There are more untold stories for Loki in the MCU and I hope Tom Hiddleston sticks around for all of them.
“Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody's gonna die. Come watch TV”
Best Quote ever.
That's Nihilism, isn't it?
@@thomaslangford4486 it is. But not in a Rick kind of destructive way.
@Bjorn Arnesen indeed it is. Like I said before not in a "Rick" kind of destructive way.
Rick is a Nihilist, he doesn't really care about stuff (or pretends to not care). So he wouldn't bother if everything burns since everyone is going to die anyway.
Morty is also a Nihilist, which is perfectly summed up by His Quote, in a sense that he has accepted that life is meaningless but he still wants to do good things.
@@JulianAlimin "Everything is meaningless, dance and enjoy yourself while you can."
My wife and I really liked it and ecstatic that there’s gonna be a second season
I think Sylvie is a Valkyrie and not a Loki, that was her deviation. The TVA came and got her as she was pretending to be one. She's also more violent and bloodthirsty than other Lokis', in my opinion.
I think she wanted to be a Valkyrie but they would not have accepted a frost giant anymore than the people of our Loki's Asgard did. But that's it really. Don't forget how the frightened child st the TVA cried out for someone to help another prisoner. She was meant to be good. And that was incomprehensible to the TVA.
I think the variant was she decided to be good, instead of becoming a Loki. That is why she was taken as a child
The season 2 of Loki was just close to perfection.
It's been a long time I've never felt so much for a character, felt so much, especially at the final episode.
Just imagine being him, was just so sad, and lonely. To live that kind of life.
If Loki is stuck in the endless loop, makes me sad for him. I've really come to like his character. Don't want him to be some goodie two shoes but still the anit-hero that is a hero.
I'm honestly sick of people saying "of course the only person Loki could love is himself cause he's such a vain nArcISisT." *SYLVIE. IS NOT. LOKI.* She literally says it in the finale. "I'm not you." They are two different people who have lived totally different lives.
But she plays the same role he plays. Theyre both outcasts and she even says she is hedonistic, just like him. The main difference, beyond growing up in apocalypses, is that she is good and doesnt care for power and recognition, unlike almost all of the variants. The way she is (and she's a loki, wanting it or not) allowed him to see that he could change too. Unfortunately she's on a path of revenge, and he understands that too because he once tried to kill his entire race after finding out they abandoned him as a baby. But she refuses to see he's right, thinking he doesnt really understands her, so she tricks him. But he did understand her (part because they have the same soul) and now she knows it. I'm sure she regretted tricking him and killing he who remains. She knows he was right, and I hope its not too late.
Yes, and no. If i met a male me from an alternative dimension, we would both be different personalities, but we'd still be the same soul or spirit, with drastic differences in our bodies, our wants in life, and our experiences.
Think Rick and Morty. All those Ricks are still Rick Sanchez, and all those mortys are still Morty Smith.
Agreed and I hate all the articles about how much the fans hated the relationship. I loved it. Seeing it develop and how it made him understand himself was great.
I don't like the Sylki shipping it is just so toxic and if more people knew why by having a brain and seeing how many other Loki and marvel fans hate this than well I pity you all.
Such a beautiful essay on the god that Loki is and the genuine man he’s becoming.
And all it took was a little love.
DONT worry Loki.
We’ve all loved you from the start.
❤️
I am awed at how Tom made Loki lovable though. Not every actor could have pulled that off.
cant wait for Sylvie and Loki to end up together.
I wouldn’t say from the start. He def sucked in avengers and Thor 1
@@designerdiva423 he “sucked”..? What in the flip are you talking about?! He was the BEST thing in Thor AND Avengers...
😠
Re-watching on heels of Quantumania. Loki has transformed completely, in a way nobody would’ve thought after Avengers 1. Would love to see Loki appear in Antman and help Lang some, on the path to seen his brother again - Thor.
In a way, Kang (he who remains version) is also a prisoner. Sure he has freewill and doesn’t have to worry about himself being pruned, but In order to maintain that, he’s forced to do one task or else face an infinite onslaught of variants that would erase him from existence.
I think this is why he mentions how the journey is important. In the end everyone is a prisoner caught in a loop and HWR is so tired that he would rather die and give the power to lokis rather than keep going around the loop. HWR is in a way the only one who knew he was in a prison whereas everyone else didn’t.
loki is such a multi faceted creature. he has many personalities, and shapes. im excited to learn more about him in the next season
Love these character breakdowns! Never really got why everyone loved Loki until this series so getting the backstory makes it all make sense. I do think people need to reconsider the Sylvie love yourself thing. Sylvie was totally different from him and that’s what attracted him. When he was surrounded by the variants of himself that were just like him he was super annoyed. Maybe he saw what he could be in her and that drove him to change and be better.
Yeah he realised she wanted to be the hero and stop the TVA while he wanted (at first) to just overthrow them therefore making him a facist ruler and still a villain. She changed him, that's what he liked about her.
9:06 D.B. Cooper isn't an urban myth. Those events actually happened.
There are a lot of myths surrounding the event, because he was never found. Those money got robbed 100% though, lol.
It is an urban myth in the zeitgeist
What happened? Sorry I don't know much about American events
@@shreeya3789 A man claimed he had a bomb on a plane, demanded to land, leave all passengers and most crew, give him a parachute and a load of money, fly again and then jumped to be never seen again above the jungle. Some bills were found, but never a lead to his whereabouts.
@@aimilios439 oh that's interesting. Thank you!
They gave Loki extra powers in the show. Conjuring anything he wanted and lifting buildings with his mind. Mind control without the mind stone.
I can almost hear Miss Minutes saying "Maybe you sold your soul to the devil in order to get back your imaginary children..."
Mobius strips aren't impossible you make them in elementary school.
uhh.. well what you make is a theoretical representation
That thin strip of paper you used still has 3 dimensions
Yes, we can easily make a Mobius Strip because we can manipulate the 2 dimensional rectangle in a 3 dimensional space. A Klein Bottle is truly impossible because we can't manipulate a 3 dimensional object in a fourth (spatial) dimension.
@@literatemax very true… however, you can certainly knit a 3D model of one.
There’s a free pattern available for anyone with the skills to make it. I knitted the “hat version” for a math-loving friend a few years back.
4:40 well in the defense of the show reiterating Loki’s character, this Loki was a variant. A variant from endgame when I believe Tony went back in time to get the space stone, but Loki ends up picking up the space stone which wasn’t supposed to happen. Thus he was variant, remember how he found out that he was more or less destined to be killed by Thanos’ hand? Original Loki did grow as a character from Thor Ragnarok (potentially anyway), but this variant didn’t get to experience that since he came from 2012.
One thing I don't understand is that if the TVA tries to keep the sacred timeline from branching off, then why are there multiple universes (each with a Loki). But then I thought that a timeline is not the same as a universe. In other words, one timeline contains a multiverse. However, if timelines and universes are completely different things, then why be scared of a branching timeline if there are already infinite amount of universes? I mean, they called it the multiverse wars, not the timeline wars. So what am I missing?
Its quite confusing but I think a universe has multiple timelines (variations of events) e.g 14million in infinity war. But then there are multiple universes too but Kang made the sacred timeline isolated so they can't overlap into other universes. So the other universes exist but are separate from the sacred version. So when Dr strange said there was only 1 version they win, really he meant that's the only version as TVA would prune the rest. He just didn't know it.
That benediction cumbersome batching though 😂
I watched this and I still have no idea what Loki is about.
FREAKING AWESOME BREAKDOWN🔥🔥🔥
It is clear that you are a fan of Loki's and you put up one hell of an argument of why he was right and why loki actually has a heart and cares👍👍👍
Now I understand why in the concept art he who remains has an iron man helmet in his office. As seen in age of Ultron, Tony also believes that free will should be sacrificed for the greater good.
Tony: I see a suit of armor around the world
Bruce Banner: sounds like a cold world Tony
meaning???
how is he related to iron man??
I have a question: in the first Thor Movie we see Loki as a Baby in the hands of Odin transforming his appereance from the blue Ice Giant look to his dark haired, dark eyes look (some say it's beacause of a form of self defense mechanism as he sees the image of Odin's first born daughter in his Odin's memories). So, now in the TVA they say Loki has no power at all, even the Infinity Stones have no power. What could be the expenation of Loki not changing his appereance back to an Ice Giant?
Interesting parallel:
In MCU Loki wanted to be thor.
In reality Tom Hidleston first auditioned to be Thor.
No
"I never wanted the throne, I just wanted to be your equal"
-Loki to Thor
People never understand him even the fans
No he wanted to be treated as his brother. Not to be him
@@cyberseai9305 ong
This video should get millions of views regarding the character and life itself; glorious purpose
The point is that with so many timelines marvel no longer has to cohere to any one narrative. It’s plot armor
"dance while you still can"not just the point of "Loki", but the meaning of life. I loved this series and your explanation! Great job!
Kang is the real problem. In Marvel, the multiverse has always been the default state of the overall verse, hence the Living Tribunal existing at all (and he’s in MCU as well), as he judges the multiverse and keeps watch over disturbances. Plus there’s the multiversal Eternity, a larger Eternity who embodies every other single universe Eternity. Kang usurped them and really, he was the problem. He just needs to prevent himself from being born to prevent inventions that breach each multiverse.
Nice video! The Mobius Strip is not an impossible geometric shape though. Anyone could make one out of pretty much any 2-d item, paper, ribbon, etc.
Your writing is so on-point. Loved the final takeaway to this
The "What's the Point" videos have become my favorite. Keep up the good work!
I’m surprised you never linked MCU-Loki’s growth to his arc in the comics, where the current iteration of Loki is the one who decided to change and the main difference is they finally said “fuck it” to getting approval from other people and went his own way (at least the God of Stories Loki did this, his current iteration is the God of Outcasts and he seems to have relapsed).
I can't believe I've never noticed the Wreck it Ralph /Fix it Felix comparison with Loki and Thor lol. Derp !!
Love that intro that's exactly how I felt
One thing remain unanswered. It’s never been explained how “He who remains” is able to 1) write a script for every one in the universe. 2) Control everyone to make sure they say and do everything on the script.
He’s just a man flesh and blood. How is he controlling the minds and thoughts of every being in the universe on the sacred time line?
There’s no reveal of a technology that can control peoples thoughts and speech and actions to adhere to a script he created/fabricated.
He doesn’t have superpowers that does that as well.
So please explain to me how he can word for word know what everyone is going to say?
Even if the timeline is limited as in there is an end of time and it loops back to the beginning, did he watch everything from start to finish once then on a rerun he wrote down everything about everyone and everything? Then lived through the loops millions of times?
And Loki and Sylvie were in the citadel in the study, that was in a space that’s out of time. So how could it have looped and happen before as it’s not on any time line?
That was most excellent, Ryan. An insightful examination of what is so far my favorite Marvel show (and I quite liked the previous two!)
Omgaaad Loki have grown up in me. I see so much of me in him. It's funny how synchronicity works. I myself have been in this narcissistic loop for a long time and started on the series the same day
Brilliant! You are so intuitive and if there was a LOKI UNIVERSITY, you'd be the most sought after lecturer. Thank you for this.
You are my favorite analyst.
The TVA is a allegory about Disney executives choosing the fate of Marvel characters
wow I watched half the series and i feel this was better than actually watching it great job I will go back and watch eventually
This brought tears to my eyes
I really enjoy these Loki videos. The series ended 2 weeks ago but I'm still entertained with the breakdown videos of his character.
Do you have any other questions about Loki?
What about the remaining variants in the void?
When will we see Alligator Loki again?
@@lotsofspots
The only important question lol
Thoughts/feelings on season 2?
You know who I miss? White Vision. 😄 Really just Paul Bettany as any version of Vision. Gotta love our British actors.
The one mistake I see in this meta is the assumption that Loki is a narcissist. This is a common mistake, partly because he is so often labeled as a narcissist by others. However, if you’re examine the psychology, Loki does not match with the definition of a narcissist. A true narcissist has no question of his superiority; Loki is plagued with self-doubt and self-loathing. A narcissist doesn’t seek attention, approval, acceptance, or love because he is convinced of his own inflated worth. By contrast, Loki constantly seeks attention, validation, and love because his self-esteem is so low.
Superficially, Loki appears to be narcissistic because he is putting on an appearance that he thinks will gain him the love and respect of a truly narcissistic character: his father, Odin. Odin is a textbook narcissist; he presumes himself worthy to sit in judgement over everyone else, while ignoring his own immense mistakes. For example, Odin created Hela to be a warmonger, then exiled her to Hel for thousands of years because she was a warmonger. We all joke about Odin’s A+ parenting, but the problem runs beyond his mistreatment of his children-in part because he is never held accountable for what he has done. In his view, it is always someone else’s fault (Hela, Laufey, and Loki, for example). Yet, he remains in power and is honored and loved by the primary heroic character, Thor. Spoiler: When he dies in Ragnarok , he dissolves into a golden cloud to sweeping orchestral music, as if he is angelic. The many wrongs he has committed can’t be swept under a rug, so they are transmitted to other characters, who become pariahs, viewed as villains. This is the definition of the narcissist-scapegoat complex. The narcissist can convince himself and others that the scapegoat is to blame for all of the problems in the system.
Hela was, for a time, Odin’s favorite-until he decided (for reasons that are not yet clear in the MCU) to stop starting wars and colonizing. At that point, the weapon he had molded his daughter to be was not only discarded but punished with unfathomable cruelty, for an eternity. No wonder she was pissed off when she was finally freed.
Loki, on the other hand, never enjoyed his father’s approval. He was raised from the start as the scapegoat to Odin’s narcissist. As Loki states in Thor 1, Odin treated him with contempt while claiming to love him. This gaslighting is a standard element of the scapegoat-narcissist complex.
In Thor: The Dark World, we see this dynamic firsthand: Odin is vicious in his judgement of Loki, telling his son that the only reason he is being imprisoned for life rather than executed is because his mother begged for his life. Odin clearly believes he has the higher moral ground, though he himself had done far worse than Loki for far longer in his warmongering days.
It is evident that Loki is not the narcissist-he is, in fact, the opposite. He is the scapegoat who suffers the disproportionate blame for all the ills in the system.
The effectiveness of the narcissist-scapegoat complex is dependent on how well it is disguised by lies and gaslighting. We see Loki endure gaslighting from not only Odin, but the rest of the family (who are also participants in the narcissist-scapegoat dynamic).
As the audience, we are just as influenced as the characters on screen to believe Loki (and Hela) are the narcissists because that is the purpose of scapegoating.
To see the real dynamic, you have to look past the narrative you are presented with and recognize it contains bias, not absolute truth. (Hence it is called a narrative-a story.) This kind of critical thinking is not something we typically bring to our entertainments like superhero films. Thus, it is unsurprising that Loki is generally mischaracterized as a narcissist not only in the fiction, but also in the real world.
Quick correction as someone who is a Narcissist, our belief that we are superior is, for the most part, false. We fake it. Self doubt is a big part of Narcissism, we just don’t show it like everyone else does. /gen
Loki series: exist
ScreenCrush: I'm gonna milk ya
*Loki: exists, and is an amazing show with a lot of "milk," an audience, and a demand for content*
Fixed it 👍🏼
@@andyscott5277 garbage show that's contradicts itself every episode...lol
@@datruthhurtz2306 sounds like you just couldn’t understand it 🤷🏻♂️😂
@@andyscott5277 ngl I dont think most people understand it 😂
I loved it! Such a good take really delving into his character. In s2, Loki is going to be really hurt as he opened himself up to Sylvie and she betrayed him in the end. But he will have to fight those high stake emotional, rejected feelings like he had with Odin and forgive her instead of holding a grudge. So I'm guessing he'll be on a mission to find her? Maybe with Mobius, Kid loki and alligator loki in tow? 🤣 Ah can't wait, I hope we don't have to wait to long! ♤
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Liked. Commented. Subscribed. I love watching these shows just to react with you and learn from the videos.
Daily dose of Screencrush! Yeay!
Such a fabulous breakdown Ryan. I love these What is the Point videos. Well done!
Don't comment often in TH-cam videos, but I really loved your Breakdown of the series. Thank you for this video.
I feel like Loki is beginning to kind of be the mcu version of the joker, a character or villain who we disliked at first but with more descriptions and character development we grow to relate to him more than we could Thor. Awesome show and can’t wait for the future of the mcu💪🏽🤙🏽
watch blackwidow the thing that movie is suck is. lack of villain background. if the movie jumpshoot of the villain story . how it related with the main hero it will be the most movie superhero ever. the audience just care about villain. a
That one shot of loki looks like from harry Potter movie lol. This show with all the timelines and different versions of Loki reminds me of the Halloween franchise lol
I see the theme as anarchy vs totalitarianism.
just to point out , a Mobius strip is possible to construct, whereas a Klein bottle (a looping bottle with only one side) is the one that's not possible to construct
Then how is it possible that I can buy a Klein bottle?
Just in time for my essay on free will
Loki would've been great for me if they showed more of how powerful he is.
I wonder if the writers watch your videos to figure out what they were trying to do
Can't wait for Kang the conqueror
Love the intro btw
I think a better analogy than the film strip is that it's like looking at a wall with the entire storyboard on it.
I heard a theory awhile back that they’ll change Kang’s backstory to him being a distant descendant of Tony Stark instead of Reed, since they haven’t introduced the fantastic four in the mcu yet. Endgame emphasized that Tony has a daughter and his bloodline could live on and he created time travel. Like Tony, he is motivated to protect his world/timeline.
meaning please elaborate
All I'm left thinking after watching Loki is: Why were Tobey and Andrews spiderverses allowed to stay? It's almost like we have multiple characters that exist within the context of a multiverse, but only when loki is present is there an organization that does anything about it. No one's out there pruning Tobey and Andrew. All those spider branches out there just running wild. I feel like the more they expand this universe the more the continuity issues arise.
Also, didnt endgame and the whole mcu play out once before kang was even born? If that is the case, where does loki go when he teleports with the tesseract? The TVA and kang didnt even exist the first time the mcu occured
best work yet. well played, Ryan.
odin saying my first born with that grieving tone. poetry it rhymes.
i discovered that after i watch a movie if i think over that movie i actually see it in my head all at once. sure i remember how it started but somewhere in my brain the rest of the movie is playing all at the very same time. some people that ttry to tell you what happened in a movie they have seen gets tripped up by different scenes and have to check themselves and this is how i relate to the time theory you educating us with
It also helps to look like Tom Hiddleston.
where is Kang
Who is Kang
Why is Kang
Secret Wars was used to consolidate the storylines and stop confusing new authors. This is the opposite. This is how Marvel fits all the inconsistencies of various plots into one world.
It’s brilliant. Worked for DC comics too. “Old Superman” was one of my favorite story arcs
Do you think season two will have Loki take steps back on trust since he had Sif tell him for what I assume is hours that he will be alone only to be shortly thereafter abandon by Slivi?
Id love to see a breakdown of HWR's plan. If you rewatch the s1 finale there are sooooo many hints that this is exactly what HWR wants. He literally gives the task of running the TVA to the two varients that represented the options themselves. Entropy is the balance between chaos and order. Where he needed loki to take the thrown and keep order in this universe, he needed Sylvie to be the beacon of chaos and actually kill him in order for loki to take said thrown.
HWR says that it turns out that the person needed to replace him came in two. Loki would never have taken the seat had he not have a reason to sacrifice. Sylvie wpuld have killed HWR and left the seat empty which would have destroyed the timeline. So in s1 finale, HWR was right to say this stuff had to happen to get them in the correct "mind set" (forshadowing loki's timeslipping) to finish the quest. That quest being the multiversal war and him ending up back on the thrown. What a loop!
My beloved God of mischief
My greatest joy is that there'll be a season 2!
Loki is my hero!!
I had existential crisis after watching loki XD
Well put together vid/essay/explanation. The editing was great and we are gonna need all this moving forward to sort out all this multiverse business
The point of the show was to introduce Kang, and act as a tutorial on the multiverse. We start with Loki, an MCU mainstay, in the scene we know him from. Then we see about the TVA, nexus events, the Marvel model of time travel. Then we see how powerful they are. We get a couple episodes to develop the Sylvie character, then we're shown many Lokis and how they interact. Finally we meet Kang at the _end_ of his narrative, and are told that he functions like the 'many lokis' from earlier.
Only missing piece
gg...it was he who remains. not kang
Ok, so a big problem is that the MCU doesn't have time loops. If you go back in time you create an alternate timeline. It is possible to have a non-loop repeating and propagating series of timelines. Timeline N has a traveler go to timeline N+1 to create a change. The variant from N+1 travels to Timeline N+2 to create the same change, which echos to N+3, and on to N+x. None of these timelines circle back on themselves, thus no loop. Your past is your past, it can't be changed or altered. Anything that is past within your timeline is immutable, all you can do is go back and branch your timeline in your past to create a new timeline from that point in the past.
Umm Im sorry but how are "Variants'' a Minority??? They are quite literally every person in existence. Technically we (everyone ever) are variants. It's like God and the question older than Time: "Who created God and who created God's Creator etc etc ad nauseum.
Great video brother
A Mobius strip isn't impossible. You can make one with a strip of paper. :-)
You guys make the best Explained/Recap videos!