I think whoever wrote Loki Season 2 should write the next avengers movies honestly. Season 2 felt way more consistent and always brought up interesting conversations and choices within the characters.
I believe Loki’s power doesn’t just come from him getting older, but spending the time gaining knowledge. Knowledge being power especially for somebody like Loki.
That sounds like something a young person would say. Wisdom comes with age, manipulating time requires practice. You can't replace Loki with just anyone, He Who Remains already tried, he mastered the materials and the mechanics but still failed and only managed a loop. It had to be a Loki with high mileage
This season was a very strong return to form for an MCU production. I'm glad Loki got a proper arc and a worthy "conclusion" to his story. Especially since the MCU completely neutered Thor. Majors did a killer job also at the end there in the conversation with Loki at the citadel. I hope the MCU takes note. All we want is good content, it's not too much to ask
I really hope that Marvel manages to get back to how they were once. I really don’t like any of the new movies. I watched The Marvels yesterday and the script is just bad…
When he who remains says to Loki in their last encounter in the show "do you know who wins?" [paraphrasing] and Loki says "he who remains" it's a double meaning. Loki is now becoming he who remains. He's the last one at the end of time holding it together.
I think the first time Loki actually realized he could flip the script on himself was that time in the TVA theatre where Mobius was showing him how his sacred timeline would progress. With his mother dying, how he reconciles with Thor and how Thanos takes his life. This was a therapeutic experience and a huge lightbulb moment that made him stubborn and eager to form connections and change his future. Something that Sylvie never got.
Everything on the show built upon itself to the next realization Virgo perfection!! It helped guide the audience slowly onto the climax Nothing out of place!!
@@mrceadSylvie's purpose was to make Loki realise that he had a higher purpose, a Glorious Purpose. He saw his flaws through her and realized he could be better. He could make the ultimate sacrifice to save all. Without her he would've never become who he was truly meant to be. That is why HWR paved the way for them to arrive at the citadel together and have the confrontation they did, and even allow her to kill him, all so Loki can grow and figure out what needed to be done to replace him.
@@GraysonJStedmanjr It's not a sacrifice if it turns out to be the greatest thing he can do for himself as well. Give Loki his dignity. He found out he was nothing but a pawn and fought his way out of that. That isn't sacrifice it's taking charge of his own destiny.
the other thing about this scene: the temporal radiation ages things away. if asgardians get stronger with time, then the temporal radiation is actually just making him more and more powerful as well
He's not Asgardian though. He was adopted because his father the kind of the frost giants abandoned him for being a runt. He had an enchantment placed on him to make him appear Asgardian. I'm not saying you're wrong I'm asking how it's possible if he isn't Asgardian.
@@ebinmemes2298 nods* yeah if anyone is strong enough to cast an enchantment so powerful it would be Odin. Yeah actually I can see him infusing him with his Odinmagic to almost blood adopt him. I dig it.
To those of you unaware of the writers of Loki Season 2; they are Justin Benson and Aaron Moorehead who also wrote/directed/starred in a couple of their own movies with Time Loop/ Time Travel/ Connected universe stories. The movies are Resolution and The Endless, both of which are fantastic. Moorehead also directed another time travel movie called Synchronic. They are the masters of Time Travel in film and is why Marvel picked them to write Loki Season 2 and it was phenomenal as their other work is. I truly hope Marvel picks them to write Kang Dynasty.
Yeah, I was really excited when I saw those names. And it's not only timeloops, the Resolution and The Endless both contained some cosmic being (though a little more prominently in The Endless). I was hoping they would put that talent for cosmic horror (for lack of a better term) to good use for Loki, and wasn't disappointed.
Loki is the most well written character in marvel’s cinematic universe. His story and character development is a masterpiece. They need to keep the writers from the show to work on more shows and the movies
The moment Loki asked how long it will take him to learn everything about the psychics, television and book and they just time-skipped thousands of years, I knew the ending will be mindboggling.
I know right? At that point when I was watching I thought, "No... they wouldn't... really? But they went there, and then much further. It was very ambitious, and they mostly pulled it off."
I think the gold throne is a reference to kintsugi , the Japanese art of repairing ceramics with gold to show that something broken can be even more beautiful because of its past. Loki is the gold holding the Marvel multiverse together.
Exellent analysis on the aging of loki, you forgot that the time votex ages everything it touches, so the suit rapidly ages and degenerates , victor timely was hit with so much he aged to atoms instantly. With loki it aged away his clothes , his face momentarily showed aging but then his magic was super boosted. Makes perfect sense when you think about how the time stone affected thor as you said.
@wheelsmcgee9770 Yeah but he learnt magic and probs have some odin magic infused in him. So makes him a superpowered frost giant. Frostgaints have powers anyway, so he was always an innate magical being.
Interstingly instead of futuristic armors (NY Avengers - Loki, Quantumania - Kang), both He Who Remains and Loki That Remains are wearing clothes that reminds midival times.
@@AdhityaRamaputraLoki was most likely powerful enough to conjure horns and an outfit that were seemingly unaffected by temporal decay. Or he just conjured some material that would last a hell of a long time (or forever)
I'm so glad they finally portrayed the whole "Asgardians + time = strength" rule in the MCU I remember in one of the old Avengers cartoons there was a scene where Thanos obliterates everyone including the Hulk by using the time stone to age them into dust, but all this does to Thor is make him strong enough to deflect the beam which makes Thanos old, forcing him to undo the action and inadvertently revive the other Avengers. I knew they'd never be able to depict that in the MCU, but this is also an acceptable way to do it and arguably just as badass.
@@tconc8594 Yes and no. At least mythologically, he's both a god and a Jötunn (frost giant). I believe it's safe to assume that since Loki doesn't turn into a giant member of the blue man group once he enters the TVA (Since magic doesn't work in the TVA), whatever Odin did to Loki as a baby effectively turned him into the half Asgardian half Frost Giant.
He Who Remains actually, I believe, wanted Loki to finish as the heart of the multiverse. He said, in S1E6, he paved the way for Loki & Sylvie to get there. He was looking for someone to take his place, as he had been doing for millions of years. Also, in S1E2, they actually showed multiple variants of Loki that they pruned. In the void at the end of time, he meets multiple variants of himself that survived the pruning (and each other). HWR was obsessed with finding the correct variant, and would have variant after variant pruned after they failed his test, until he found Loki & Sylvie (whose nexus event was her deciding to be a hero, in my opinion). He only told them two options, one that would lead to the multiverse war and the other to them continuing his work pruning timelines. He never gives them any other option, forcing Loki to discover the best option to deal with HWR’s variants without pruning entire timelines. Anyway, that is only my opinion. What do you think?
Yes, Loki at his throne in end of time is the plan of HWR. Loki travelling to past and talking to HWR gave him enough time to adjust his plan and keep Loki path in the same direction.
I think Kang wanted Loki to take his place but without having to die in the process. He wanted to protect the loom, not break it. Loki destroyed it and sacrificed himself to keep everything alive
This Kang likely has gone down this road multiple times coming out as victor, and perhaps really was one of the good Kangs (this one wanting to preserve his timeline and ensuring the people on it had a life to live) believing he rather be the devil we knew instead of something worse. That being said, I believe he was just tired. Of the whole thing he knew at some point the timeline would fail, likely restarting the war or starting the war. He saw just like the single timeline that there was a cycle of repeat. (the man was tired), yet he must have saw that there was a chance for him to change the guard perhaps giving his timeline a chance to survive. Hence Sylvie and Loki. They were variants that likely were a once in a million glitch. Assuming we treat the sacred timeline and its off shoots before pruning as a system of cycle and repeat, every once in a while in a repeating system, given enough time something unexpected might occur. In this case a Loki that actually had a chance of doing actual good. Sylvie who is a female Loki (all loki's were male that we are aware of gator loki included) Bet what happened was Kang then created the events and paths that would lead them to him and giving them the offer, hoping to give him a opportunity to retire, or killed off so long as the timeline was preserved. If it didn't well the war starts and he comes back. The problem was that Kang didn't consider the possibility of a third option likely cause he didn't think a third option was on the table. At least not until Loki showed what he was capable of. Since Loki decided to take the third option of sacrificing himself to destroy the loom and preserve multiple timelines himself, It likely gave Kang perhaps a smirk before dying again that maybe there is a chance that the war will go different and that no longer will it be won be a Kang variant.
I think you're right about loki living longer than He who remains. When he's tearing down the loom his face morphs to og loki. I think his young face is an enchantment so non of the tva is freaked out by his age.
I just hope that we one day get to witness Thor & maybe some of the other og Avengers witness what Loki has become. That will have to be an incredible moment.
I still cant shake the feeling that Dr Doom will have something to do with that castle. But I do think the Celestials are watching over the multiverse and time, and so im sure we will see more of them as we move into this multiversal, cosmic, time - warping saga! Its pure chaos and I love it! I just wish Marvel would focus more on stories like this than political messaging and character changing.
I agree because my mind was blown when they were in the citadel again and HWR showed that he is a much bigger threat than Thanos ever dreamed of being and ofc the ending was somewhat expected but I didn't think it would be such a masterpiece. I waited all year for this show and it didn't disappoint oh how I wish they would've done secret invasion in the same epic fashion. Gaiah was the first OP now Loki well I guess Wanda technically.
One thing ive noticed in this phase is how their leveling up alot of the heroes. When the MCU was first starting out they had to tone down the powers of some of these charecters, but slowly theyve been getting stronger and stronger~
That'd not exactly true though. So far the people we've seen get a power up have been removed/died. Loki now stuck holding the multiverse, Wanda presumably dead after suiciding, dr strange awaiting another movie to find out if he gets screwed over or not
Ending Loki as a series here tho is perfect. He's set up like a true mythical figure. They should figure out a way to do the same for Thor rather then just kill em.
@@ppsarrakisI would go with Sylvie being the Loki now on the main timeline. Our Loki could make it so no one but Mobis and Sylvie knows the truth that lead to the change. Would be funny to see Thor interacting with his sister Loki rather than his brother Loki.
@@dreamweavercreations.2451 thats actually brilliant and prob most likely since i heard Tom Hiddleston is done with the MCU aparently,prob for the better
I got a different vibe when he responded to "He Who Remains", as though it wasn't exactly him who wrote the story to get Loki where he is but rather a subtle nod to the fact that history is written by the winner and whomever is left to write the story, it will have been that person who remains. Maybe acknowledging that Loki could have been the reason the story played out as it did and that he's gonna win over Kang
I'm getting goosebumps just from hearing this theory. Imagine Loki surprising everyone taking on Beyonder Kang, it would be like when Thanos' ship gets destroyed but so much deeper
I been searching everywhere for that and couldn't find anybody pointing that out. I'm almost sure Kang defeated a Loki god of stories in the past and made his tempad out of lokis crown and that's how he wins with lokis magic.
@@jesusaajoh I understood it as he created his own version of the temple but used his horns as the "conduit" instead of a spherical disk but with the time play they have been writing yours is also plausible Edit: tempad not temple
it could be that "quantum ore" shit, no idea tbh, it just seems weird that out of nowhere loki's horns are made of the same stuff as HWR tempad' its also what the throne and citadel is made out of.. i doubt its important xD but it threw me off a little
@@Lorfind949 He's always been the god of stories and then somehow Kang defeated him or killed him and used lokis crown to make the tempad, look at it it looks just like lokis crown. This has always happened.loki becomes god of stories than the war and somehow gets defeated and Kang uses his crown to creat the tempad and erases everybody's minds and creates the loom until a new Loki comes again does the whole TVA thing and becomes god of stories again and it starts again.I bet you that's what it is.
@@jesusaaj Why are you thinking it as a loop? So what no more movies after that because it's a loop He Who Remains literally said he was just another random Kang but he got Alioth and Won and made the Multiverse into a single timeline and then all of Marvel takes place then Loki and bam, and with the emergence of the Multiverse, a new Multiversal War will take place but the heroes will be involved leading to them winning but having to restart over, creating a soft reboot for Marvel
7:05 that actually make a lot of sense. The temporal radiation also make thing grow older faster. You can see Victor suit getting rusty the more he is getting close to the temporal loom. So it explains the change of clothes, the power surge and even his face when he is destroying the temporal loom (although I would have expected some bear at some point but maybe he doesn’t have any facial hairs )
In that final episode in one of Loki’s final time slips when victor tilmey is putting his head in the temporal aura machine, Loki time slips in at the exact moment that the computer voice says “welcome back he who remains” and he proceeds to become just that
Fantastic redemption arc for a character. If and when he randomly appears in the next avengers movies the entire movie theater will cheer just like when cap catch Thor's hammer
The finale of Loki was Awesome! also bittersweet. Tom Hiddleston has stated that it's the conclusion of six films, 12 episodes, and the character of Loki. 14 years of his life in the MCU. He was 29 when he started and he's now 42. Tom is saying Loki is done, therefore no season 3 of Loki. It's sad to see him finished as Loki, I can't see anyone else being Loki. I'm very happy that it ended with Loki at the top and left us with Loki being a great guy, finally fulfilling his purpose. Thanks, Tom so very much. Job well done. Love you always! ❤️ We will definitely miss Loki.😢
I agree, Loki is only temporarily holding the multiverse together in HOPE that somehow the Kangs will be defeated this time. Sounds like a case for Dr Strange.
This loki searies is like going to school and listen to the teacher but still not clear to you so you have to go back home and look for more information. Brilliant writing
So this ancient material that Loki uses to create throne to wrap all the timelines together into a Multiversal Tree. I like the reference to the God Quarry, as well as the theory of Loki being the Custodian of the Multiverse.
@@castynscott4394 Gods bleed gold when they are dying. Odin died into gold dust during Ragnarok and Jane did the same at the end of L&T. Thor has bled red because he never truly died. Loki bled red because he's not actually a god - he's a “small” Frost Giant.
@@onedudesmind Jane is not a god, Odin, Frigga, and Jane turned to gold dust bc they were going to Valhalla, and Loki is a real god Odin made him a god Odin is the allfather he changed Loki’s whole DNA which is why he’s not blue in the TVA, if Odin only changed Loki’s appearance that would be a huge risk if Loki had a kid and it came out as a frost giant
If you think about it, Loki now works as the loom did, he’s the new failsafe! Once the council of kangs destroy time- Loki will be able to timeslip around in order to go back and defeat them. Honestly such a mindfuck, but soooo cool!!
I think everyones forgetting the fact that Loki brings ragnarok, which technically applies to everything, not just Asgaard, but also Midgaard, Nephilhiem, and the rest. But he also brings the rebirth of the universe. This can easily bee overlapped with the TVA and celestial making/breaking the multiverse, and also the nordic tales. I would call this a mixture of all of them, in a way that can make sense. It makes total sense and does not surprise me that they tell Loki's story thus way. I can't wait to see how this will tie into quantum realm, multiverse, celestials,and hopefully involve the Watchers, and the Celestials, which means also Galactus, that means Silver Surfer and the FF. This type of storyline could really blossom. Or what about Firestorm, or other former Galctus heralds?
I have a theory, Loki gave a fighting chance against kang to every universe by giving life to the multiverse but i believe in secret wars he will realize that he who Remains was right and council of kangs becoming more powerfull so loki comes up with a new plan which would be creating a battle world and i think we will see another conversation between he who remains and loki.
@@Unknown_-bt8uv why? We haven't seen the origin of he who Remains, he can reborn in this multiverse now and if I'm not wrong he who Remains only said he tamed alioth but I don't think he said he built the TVA I think he eventually took over the TVA after taming alioth with the help of renslayer and this cycle will repeat and Loki will realize that at some point and the only way to break this cycle is to create the battle world or even if Kang creates the battle world Loki will be free of his duties of sustaining the multiverse then could play a huge part in the secret wars
Or he completely took care of the entire Kang problem right there, allowing Marvel to write Kang out of the story after the firing of Jonathan Majors. However, I hope they recast Kang rather than fully abandon the character.
@@lastsaviour4916 We literally do in Season 1 He was just a random Kang but got help with the use of Alioth and won. It was a Kang Battle against Kangs not other heroes
The cool thing about this series is that they put everything in front of us and hid nothing. Just like the grooves on a record, we see it but it doesn't make much sense until the needle gets there, freakin brilliant writing. The cosmic time element was always present and every being that weilded cosmic power had a cosmic metal to harness it (infinity gauntlet, Eye of Agamoto, Asgatdian weapons, Celestial tech and Eternals science). Right there in front of our face the entire time, He Who Remains has a device that looks completely out of place with the TVA, looks Celestial and we're here thinking it's just some future bling🤦🏿♂️Thanks for pointing it out
I’m just happy that this analysis gave Loki the chance to come back and be with his friends and reunite with Thor again. I cannot stand the thought of him being alone.
My thought was that he could use time traveling like ground hogs day to further his knowledge, and became so knowledgeable about time and quantum physics that once he entered the TVA with his magical abilities intact, he could use those abilities to manipulate the elements around him that would allow him to manipulate time, such as the gold and the onyx rock of the citadel. Loki could conjure things made out of metals. If he had the intricate knowledge of how he who remains technology worked he basically became a living temp pad.
@TheDenofNerds Having watched several of these reviews and explanations I just realized something about the gold flowing through the citadel's structure. When it's flowing like a liquid up to and forming Loki's throne it reminds me of the god's blood from L&T. Is it possible that all the gold in the citadel is the blood of dead gods acting as a power source for everything including HWR's temp pad. It would be a believable explanation of how a mortal like Kang is able to control all of time like he did. It would even fit with your theory that the citadel is the god quarry.
I think that Loki is the reason why the time stone is green also yellow energy in the mcu is usually related to cosmic energy or entities like cap marvels powers and the eternals powers so Loki using gold energy’s would make sense seeing as he would need massive amounts of cosmic energy to manipulate time but what I don’t understand is how the celestials were showing to be these all powerful beings but kang rules time not them 😂
What gets me is episode 5 was literally written over a weekend as they changed the story last minute leaving the writer to have such a short time. How on earth was that episode which wasn’t the best compared to the rest of the series but still so much better than the dribble we’ve been fed over the last few years
about asgardian age thing, loki didn't get powerful as he aged, because he was time traveling back and forth, so that asgardian aging thing couldn't have any effect on loki, as he technically didn't age. what happens here is that loki had limitless time thanks to his time traveling abilities and used it to learn lot and get lots of experience, you know so he was more experienced, smarter, wiser and so on.
Just that in the episode alone where Loki ask Ouroboros how long will it take for him to learn... OB said Decades, Time said Centuries... Then the episode skips to "Centuries Later"... If Loki Actually works as an Asgardian... We have not yet to see his full powers and everything He've learned over the centuries
He Who Remains is simply using Loki for his powers and only as a temporary solution to hold the timelines together so he could prepare for war. He showed Loki everything he needed to know to break the Temporary Loom and control the timelines. Its either He Who Remains or Kang the Conqueror that Ravonna Renslayer see at the end.
I like the idea that Loki is now older than he who remains, likely Odin himself. Loki is now way beyond intelligent, far above Ironman or Reed Richards, likely the most skilled version of Loki with his magic, including sorcerer supreme Loki. With his powers and control over all the timelines, he could harness infinite numbers of infinity stones, or anything else the MCU has at its disposal. Can you prune a celestial? How would they fair against alioth?
@@MasterKnight2K she deleted the darkhold in all the universes. That alone can make her delete any characther from all the universes or a least a powerfull characther in just a universe
One thing I wondered was that as Loki learned to control his time slipping to the point that he would slip to being in himself rather than physically appearing as a separate self that he wouldn't slip to a future version of himself that already figured it out. Bc it seemed like all he had to do was think of where/when he wanted to go and he could. Kang mentioned in Quantumania that it's hard to not skip to the end. I see that it would take away from Loki's arch and growth and change the story but I did wonder.
how would he think of a time when he already figured it out if he doesn't know when that time/ point that is? doesn't he have to think of the time & place he wants to travel in order to get there?
@@cheyennelandgraf5081 Kinda part of it too. Bc it doesn't explain how much of a thought/details are needed to travel to the points he goes. Videos out there mention theories that he goes to when/where his friends are in the one episode. When the Loom blew up he didn't know where everyone ended up and where in their timelines but he found them. So, curious if all he had to do is think of the end point, or whatever thought he needs to have to get there, and he would arrive. Bc he got better at traveling to the point he wasn't physically appearing separate from himself he was traveling and showing up "inside" himself. And by the time he had the talks with HWRs he basically perfected his abilities. But again, the requirements aren't specifically stated in the show. I'm sure it just had to work out this way for the show to tell its story. Still love the show lol.
No one seems to mention the throne Loki sits on was mentioned by He Who Remains in Ep6 saying he sits in that chair because he makes the big decisions. Loki then went forth and made the big decision(s) to restore the multiverse and supplant HWR as the timekeeper. Another thing, what Loki power did he use to destroy the loom, no one has touched on that either.
5:20: What you’re thinking about is from the animated Avengers cartoon, not from the OG Infinity Gauntlet comic. In that, the scene plays out with Thor aging via the time stone before telling him that Asgardians get stronger with age
Yeah, I was wondering that because I don't remember that from the comic. I remember him turning Thor to glass and shattering him while dropping Drax and Firelord thru time.
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Mobius said that the kang varient from antman 3 was handled so we are ok...for now. Which i take that as hes isolated for the time being, not dead so i think we will see him in Secret Wars
As an illusionist who can see into the multiverse from his thrones and literally hold all wolrds in his hands and upon his shoulders, I don't see why he couldn't project illusions of himself into the universes without leaving his throne.
One thing we all missing is that He Who Remains is the vilain of the Multiversal Saga in the MCU , not "Kang". Ok , in the comics the main variant of Nathaniel Richards is named Kang and in that medium most of the others variants are just "Kang" variants, but pay attention here: 1- In the series HWR introduces himself as the winner of the multiversal war and never "name" any of his variants and the fact is the name Kang was never mentioned; 2 - By the end, the new goal of the TVA becomes hunt down HWR variants, not Kang Variants. Actually Mobius confirms that the variant of his in Quantumania ( wich was named Kang) is dead. It seems minor but i got the feeling Quantumania was the last time we will hear the name Kang - something that could in the end make easier to replace Majors moving on.
I kind of wondered what Disney was going to do about Jonathan Majors as they have been very tight lipped about his legal issues. I almost wonder since the Kang Dynasty is being delayed and delayed that maybe they are just going to drop that story and let Loki be a winner. I did see some headlines talking about how Doctor Doom is replacing Kang in the upcoming movies. It's all up in the air I guess.
The series just mentions "centuries later", and while long to spend on one problem it's not infinite eons. But that's plenty. Not just doing a groundhog day times 10-100k of fixing the temperal loom loop. But travel the multiverse, meet people, understand how everything works. Many humans (Wanda, Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel) gain immense power in only a few decades. If he needed them he has access to an infinite number of infinity stone (some lying in drawers) and any teachers of space and time he could visit. Including his mother (and Odin). He could definitely obtain any powers his variants have, plus some unique ones. Maybe study with a few sorceror suppremes, celestials or even dark beings like dormammu (as his daughter, Charlize Theron, will play a role). My theory is he can guide his own variants, kinda as extensions of himself but with free will, turning each timeline green with this link. If these variants can then also timetravel (timepads and timestones), he can be everywhere at once...
My Theory is, Loki is/was time slipping because after the meeting with HWR the outcome was already set in motion. What IS is what WAS and what WILL BE. Loki is moving Loki through Spacetime, because he already destroyed the loom, even in the process of trying to save it, Season two is just witnessing "Time" through the eyes of loki. Where did it change? when loki thought to go back to Mobius and Sylvie (even though it happened AFTER that it happens in at the same time) He says He will stop all of Kangs Variants, "I won't stop" "I know.... Champ.." but then he follows in up with a quote by T.S. Elloit. And you can tell Kang didn't know what he was talking about then panicked. Saying he HAD to kill Sylvie (the first time he says this) The process was already started that HWR lost control of the loop, and i think he knew it. Because Loki was put in a place in BOTH seasons where he was shown how he didn't want to be alone, his only fear. He would have to accept that to beat the game. and in the end he does, for the only friends he's ever had.
What if Loki never destroyed the loom but instead just created the most elaborate illusion ever to slip away? But I seriously think Loki needs to be in Dr Strange 3.
Loom was falling apart, Loki spent hundreds of centuries trying to repair it, but nothing worked. And he changed, Mobius really became close to him, even platonically close. Loki is no longer running away, he is burdened with glorious purpose he spoke of in 2012 and in the first episode "Loki", but not in the way he had previously imagined
Okay I want a game of thrones style prequel with asgardians. Song of ice and fire style. I want Odin to see a prophecy of Ydrasil and this leads to the eventual war between asgardians and ice giants. He had to turn Loki into a god because for whatever reason ice giant plus asgardians = god Loki idc make it happen
Cool video! I didnt know asguardians get stronger as they get older which makes sense with Loki having done CENTURIES of time travel! I think hes going to come back to help later with multiversal war or similar too!
If Episode 5 was supposed to be revisiting the moments that Endgame had already done, I'm okay with it being nuked. We don't need an Endgame rehash that could also end up being very expensive. I do agree with Erik Voss of New Rockstars that the one flaw of the finale is not getting enough of Renslayer. She and Miss Minutes only appeared *mostly* in two episodes this season and both characters had so much potential being more than what we saw. They already built great chemistry in 1x6. Perhaps that's why I didn't love 2x5 as much because they were both missing along with Victor. Science/Fiction was still a good episode that I enjoyed but it could've been better. I felt Renslayer got the short end of the stick in all this. I know she's a ball-breaker but she's only doing her job. That's what leaders do and that's making the difficult decisions. She put the TVA over her own happiness and humanity. Then her memories got erased. Then she ends up in the Void. Heavy Spoilers' theory is that's not Alioth that she sees in the Void but a Kang variant (likely Rama-Tut as we see a pyramid) where you see the purple color reflecting on her clothes. I was rewatching Loki Ep 3-5 yesterday. So here's the thing. When we first see Mobius (or Don) in 2x5, it's only 2022. So I guess he wasn't gone that long then? Writers didn't want him to look like a deadbeat dad who doesn't care about his sons. Owow "Just Add Water" Wilson the GOAT wingman actor and first billing enhancer. Owen gets second billing to a project but he can always enhance the actor receiving first billing in whatever Frat Pack or Jackie Chan movie he's in. Just add water and stir! He's that guy. Owen Wilson had already worked with Tom Hiddleston in Midnight in Paris (2011). I'm hearing Mobius will appear in Deadpool 3, so everyone's favorite jet ski salesman who loves his key lime and McDonald's pies isn't going to be gone from us for very long. It's cool that Don/Mobius and Rebecca/Ravonna are both from Ohio. It makes me wonder if Mobius and Ravonna hooked up at some point like Cassian Andor and Bix Caleen? Again, I think Renslayer deserves better considering she worked as a TVA judge making all the tough decisions on variants when she happens to be a variant. She's been living a lie for EONS. True, she did kill C-20 who was finding out about her real origin from Sylvie, but it's not like Renslayer was operating at her own free will either. By 1893, she looked unhinged and lost her way. She was used, man! It's not like Renslayer is completely heartless. She did look torn and hurt when she pruned Mobius, someone she always looked out for. I would love to see her back in some way. For her to end up in the Void kinda sucks. She might have had it harder than Sylvie. That's who Sylvie would become if she was caught. Renslayer carrying the TVA on her back for eons after helping He Who Remains win the Multiversal War. Taken from her own timeline. I think she deserves a vacation with a free jet ski included. Maybe there is a happy ending for Rebecca/Ravonna next to single dad of two, Don, while living in Ohio somewhere? I guess the Mobius = Jack theory didn't come to be if Don was living in Cleveland and Jack was in Oklahoma. Sorry, Erik Voss. And well, Mobius' real name happens to be Don and not Jack. It's a nice read about Loki S2 on Wikipedia that Sophia Di Martino helped develop her character next to Kevin Wright and the McDonald's idea came up. I'm glad that this episode of Sneak Peek really puts emphasis on the writers. We must applaud Eric Martin who I plan to follow in whatever future projects he will be part of. Michael Waldron set such a great foundation with the TVA and all the rules and lingo in S1. Eric carried the baton well. Great projects will come down to great writing. If the writing sucks, the project sucks. It's that simple. Right, Zawe Ashton? Don't blame Tom Hiddleston's significant other for that character. So the theory is Loki will be Avengers Prime by Secret Wars. So this isn't the end for Loki. That's been out there for a while. I believe this is the happy ending we'll have when Loki reunites with Sylvie and Thor. Of course, when you leave a happy ending like that ala Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989), it doesn't open the book to have more projects for them. And Disney plans to milk MCU forever and ever. So no happy ending is really a true ending with MCU. I thought Toy Story 3 would be the last Toy Story movie but Disney went out and did a Toy Story 4 and a Buzz Lightyear prequel which flopped. No IP is ever safe with Disney because they love money. Thank goodness Robert Zemickis and Bob Gale never fell into this sequel/prequel/reboot/remake/spinoff trap. Michael J. Fox has Parkinson's. Back to the Future Part III did say THE END at the end. Leave it as is. Speaking of BTTF, today is November 12. Save the clock tower! ⛈️ 8⃣8⃣
*HE* *WHO* *REMAINS:* The most *informative* character in Phase Four and Five. You really need to listen to everything he says and watch how he reacts and his every nuance because he knows all and has seen all. So I was rewatching Silicon Valley (2014-2019) and it's true like my first watch when it still aired. After S3, the decline in quality is quite apparent. I would rank SV's seasons like this: 2, 1, 3, 5, 6, 4. Collider had it: 2, 1, 3, 4, 5, 6. It's still a very hilarious show and I grew to love Jared Dunn the longer it went. But similar to 24, LOST, The Walking Dead, and Game of Thrones, Silicon Valley didn't have the best later seasons. Silicon Valley was never quite the same after they fired TJ Miller (Erlich Bachman) before S5. I'm okay if Loki never gets a Season 3. *The* *writers* *never* *needed* *a* *re-shoot* *for* *it.* Got all the scenes they ever wanted pointed out by Sean Chandler. They originally created Loki like a two-parter. Think Back to the Future Part II and III. Or perhaps closer to Kill Bill Vol. 1 & 2 because Tarantino didn't want to cut scenes. He sees Kill Bill as one movie broken into two. The writers of Loki S1 and S2 said the same thing. Two chapters from the same book. Don't get me started with The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions as those 2003 sequels ruined the first one's lore and mystique as Tarantino said. Even if we got a Loki Season 3, we would probably still need to wait for how long? Another 2 to 3 years for it? That's a long wait and what more do you want from this Loki character? To finally settle down with Sylvie? This isn't animated The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and Aladdin. It's not going to be a happy ending. The ending for Loki is actually similar to Conker's Bad Fur Day for the N64 and the first God of War for the PS2 in 2005. Loki is sitting on a throne but it's bittersweet. He's still all alone. It sounded like in the title from the TH-cam video with Tom Hiddleston appearing on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon recently that Tom might be done with the character? He's retiring from it? He's been portraying the character for 14 years (early prep was around 2009 before the Thor movie release in 2011). Tom is a great actor and there is an article on how MCU ruined him the way Star Wars can ruin other actors' careers. If Tom wanted to pursue other roles, he should get it the way Robert Downey Jr. needed to break away portraying Iron Man. Any actor should have their free will on what they want to pursue without feeling enslaved by a popular franchise which ends up typecasting them. At least we still have Loki S1 and S2. A new gold standard for MCU for me. Best character development I have ever seen with an MCU character. As humans, I guess we're greedy. When things are good, we want more. We become spoiled and we don't want it to stop. Then when we get more, we'll grow tired of it and we're hoping it finally ends. It's like stuffing ourselves with delicious key lime pie until our stomachs starts to hurt. We can be self-indulgent with things we enjoy. I do agree with Erik Voss that Renslayer was a bit underdeveloped this season. She only appeared in two episodes as the finale only showed her briefly. She was usually next to Miss Minutes who also only appeared in two episodes this season. If there was ever a character who needed a vacation, it's Renslayer. Gift her a jet ski courtesy of Don/Mobius while she's on one. "I put the TVA above myself. Even at the costs of my own happiness. My humanity." Ravonna Renslayer is the one character where I want to see her get rewarded in whatever future MCU project she might appear in. She was the one character working for the TVA who was taken advantage of. She's like female Michael Jordan in The Last Dance while Dennis Rodman wanted a vacation. Renslayer might be a ball-breaker but "leadership has a price". Sylvie, on the other hand, got better for me during the last three episodes starting with The Heart of the TVA after she probably started off an annoying, dumb character on a revenge trip trying to screw more things up. I thought her whole speech with Mobius and then Loki was great. I think Sylvie and Mobius brought the best out of Loki. Without his bonding with them, he would've never changed for the better. I didn't rank the Loki 1x6 (S1 finale) as my favorite episode prior or the best one but I think it's the one I've rewatched or relistened to the most. I like the slower pace and enjoy listening to all the dialogue similar to The Hateful Eight. When I was doing my laundry at a coin-op last night because I have this huge comforter that won't fit in my washing machine at home, "For All Time. Always." was the episode I was rewatching. I'm starting to prefer He Who Remains more than Victor. He's an interesting guy. And 1x6 was probably the most informative Loki episode we ever got while still being the most quiet. A lot of the episode was basically 20 minutes of HWR speaking to Loki and Sylvie in the Citadel. It's not the best episode but it's probably the most rewatchable for me next to the two episodes called Glorious Purpose, The Nexus Event, Journey Into Mystery, and 1893. How He Who Remains dropped his act in 2x6 and started using his real voice as Erik Voss pointed out in his breakdown was very interesting. HWR interacting with Loki was the most important scene to me in 2x6. We all know Jonathan Majors' legal troubles and these court cases are going to cost him money and work time like it did for Johnny Depp, but each time he's on screen, I'm always fascinated on what he says or does. It's crazy to think Owen Wilson attempted suicide back in 2007 from depression. It's so easy to forget that. He doesn't seem like the type but he was. His characters always injects this calming demeanor. I read Owen used to frequent the Playboy Mansion and hook up with plenty of women. He has 3 kids from 3 different women, so he never really settled down. I hope he found his peace. Be a shame to lose him like what Robin Williams did to himself. Without Mobius, I'm not sure Loki would've been as great as it is. Mobius' origin story sorta became a backbone to Loki's evolution. Owen is the perfect wingman actor. He's your "add water" actor because he mixes well with anyone. Loki Season 1: A- Loki Season 2: A- Under the development tab is a good read - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki_(season_2) Must thank Michael Waldron, Eric Martin, Justin Benson, Aaron Moorehead, Kevin R. Wright, and so many more for such a great series. Think about how consistent this show was. Take your least favorite episode and it's probably still better than all of Season 8 and most of Season 7 from Game of Thrones. I have tons of different TV shows and it's rarely pretty for most of them during their later years. We got 9 hours of good consistency from Loki. That's like 4.5 Back to the Future movies. Say Lamentis and Breaking Brad are your least favs, that's still 7.5 hours of great content. Back to the Future and The Godfather is between 4 to 6.5 hours of great content if you don't like the Part III of their trilogy. And I don't find the worst episodes of Loki to be that bad. Better than most episodes that came from The Book of Boba Fett, Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Mandalorian S3 and Ahsoka. New favorite rankings for Loki episodes and characters... 1. 1x6 For All Time. Always. (my most rewatched) 2. 2x6 Glorious Purpose 3. 1x1 Glorious Purpose 4. 2x3 1893 (definitely growing on me) 5. 1x4 The Nexus Event 6. 1x5 Journey Into Mystery 7. 2x4 Heart of the TVA 8. 2x1 Ouroboros 9. 1x2 The Variant 10. 2x5 Science/Fiction 11. 2x2 Breaking Brad 12. 1x3 Lamentis First series I know where the first and last episode have the same names and actually complement each other well since 2x6 went backwards like Memento. I keep rewatching 1x6 the most and 2x3 lately from S2. The Miss Minutes scene with Victor still creeps me out from 1893. I snicker when I watch Renslayer hold that giant time stick at Victor like she's carrying a heavy gun as if she's Rambo and The Terminator. When Gugu acts pissed is when Renslayer really shines. She's a ball-breaker. 1. Loki 2. Mobius (became the ♥ of the show) 3. O.B. 4. He Who Remains 5. Victor Timely 6. Classic Loki 7. Miss Minutes 8. Renslayer 9. Sylvie 10. Casey He Who Remains is the one who moved up big time. Each time he appears, I find him fascinating. It's a chess match with him in that same room because he knows all and sees all. He's only appeared in two episodes (appeared very brief in 2x4) which were the finales and he always shines for me because he's the one giving us the most new information. Majors needs to be applauded for his contrasting Kang personalities. I know it's called Loki and it should be about him. We shouldn't expect the writers to close every thread for every character. Some do need to have their story open ended. But I do wish we see Ravonna back in some form in a future MCU project. Perhaps with Victor and Miss Minutes. To see all three on that boat in 1893 and without Loki and Mobius was kinda refreshing. That's the strength in the writing. None of those three are the leads and the episode still worked. O.B. could've simply been a comic relief add-on but I'm glad they went deeper with him. His wife left him. He was a struggling science fiction author. But O.B. became one of the four most important characters for the TVA next to HWR, Victor, and eventually Loki. It's funny how Ke says, "We're all gonna die!" I thought Goonies never say die? 😉
Yea I think HWR was set free by Loki. Remember he could’ve ensured the death of all Loki variants and sat at the end of time forever. But for some reason he found fascination in Loki. I think HWR wanted Loki to take the spot for some reason because he planned literally everything else it doesn’t seem out of the possibility HWR would plan for the one thing that seemingly defeated him. In the same way Loki is now bound to that set HWR was and with Loki now on it HWR is free. At least that’s my theory. HWR is kind of a villainous hero and an amazing character along with the rest of his variants. Also might be reading into this too much but HWR is included in marvel’s intro with the rest of the hero’s. I just don’t think that’s the last of HWR we will see.
Loki was already time slipping when Valkarie had him kneeling in the apartment on Sakar. Banner asked him "where have you've been?" Loki's answer is "it varies from time to time."
6:00 Why Loki looks the way he does really could be even more simple... We never see his birth mother and he was very small for a Frostgiant baby but notice he looks an awful lot like Hela. I think MCU Loki is only half Frostgiant and his mother is Hela, so Odin didn't adopt a random Frostgiant baby, he adopted his grandson and he just tipped what genes showed through.
I think Loki was the one to build the citadel in the first place and then Victor found it and used some parts to build the tempad. What if it's origin is Lokis crown and power? Then it goes around and around forever, Loki and Victor switching places.
I still haven't hear anyone mention it but check out the top of the building OB lives in on Earth in the opening scene from outside of it (aerial side view) the top part is obviously the head design of Arishem the Judge you won't be able to 'unsee' it- its really obvious
Thank you. I was lost. I am a huge classic Marvel fan, but I don't know anything about the variants and versions of the comics. I guess I should have kept reading them after I grew up. Here I am a 55 year old wondering WTF is going on, and your explanation of the ending of Loke S2 truly help me make sense of it all. I'd love to be in a room with those developing the over all story and see how they are plugging in this and that and giving themselves outs and options. Blows my little old mind.
I do believe that Time-God Loki still capable of using his avatars. Maybe his powers were somehow drained. But eventually he will regain strength and will appear as Avatar/Illusion to others. Unable to psychically influence the timestream, but still be inside of it.
@@ClaudiaM-js6ol could be true, but his line about if Loki destroys the loom the war will start and this time the multiverse will die sounds like Loki could've broken the cycle he had, but you never know with a Kang variant
Well, if you pay attention during the conversation at the end of season one, he who remains tells both of them that there is only one alternate outcome, and it's if they take his place, so it would make sense that at the end, the only way to beat it is if he uses the Citadel and its power and his power and how much he's been through time now and aged. To take his place and be the guy. He thinks he should be as he says!!
I think loki is only a couple hundred years old at that point because every time he time slips he goes back to his original body. Even with the time slipping added, hes maybe in the thousands. The main thing thing making him "old" is all that temporal radiation he experienced before he takes his throne. Im pretty sure it is said at one point that it makes time pass through you very fast. This also explains how he just walks out there with no suit; asgardians have a much higher lifespan.
Him learning to time slip told me when he sat on that throne he can sit there for millions of years or billions of years and he can always jump back into a younger variants body in any timeline/universe throughout time and space
Amazing! It made very sense! I know you are a real fan when you mention BEYONDER. I stopped reading about 30 years ago, but I still remember beyonder as being the most powerful ever! I remember when he showed up, innocent... lol. I have a vague memory of a scene with spiderman where beyonder is eating for the first time... (hot dog, I think) and then asks spiderman "what is this I am feeling in my tummy?..." (his first shit was never directy mentioned ahahahah)
Watching Loki season 2 ending i sadly get this impression that, What Loki did would Only be temporary at the end because looking closer in season 2 of key parts of "He Who Remains" and a certain "Judge" added the fact that "she" wakes up towards in the end of the episode, Not really in fear but with a determined "not going to lose" look in her eyes.
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I think whoever wrote Loki Season 2 should write the next avengers movies honestly. Season 2 felt way more consistent and always brought up interesting conversations and choices within the characters.
kinda agree but they should honestly bring back the Ruso Brothers
@@johntheanimator4317I think the Russo brothers are taking a break from superhero movies
Agreed
That or the across the spiderverse writers
@@dragon9slayer250no they’re not they’re with DC and said they might come back
I believe Loki’s power doesn’t just come from him getting older, but spending the time gaining knowledge. Knowledge being power especially for somebody like Loki.
Loki, Mercury, Hermes
God of communication & knowledge for sure!
That sounds like something a young person would say. Wisdom comes with age, manipulating time requires practice. You can't replace Loki with just anyone, He Who Remains already tried, he mastered the materials and the mechanics but still failed and only managed a loop. It had to be a Loki with high mileage
@@mrceadthat’s basically what op said
@@mrceadwell that basically what they said lmaooo
He did go back and read up on TVA and how to fix time for a thousand years soooo... yeah, that makes sense. This series was epic!
This season was a very strong return to form for an MCU production.
I'm glad Loki got a proper arc and a worthy "conclusion" to his story. Especially since the MCU completely neutered Thor.
Majors did a killer job also at the end there in the conversation with Loki at the citadel.
I hope the MCU takes note. All we want is good content, it's not too much to ask
I really hope that Marvel manages to get back to how they were once. I really don’t like any of the new movies. I watched The Marvels yesterday and the script is just bad…
@sebrukai3337 agreed I was hoping they'd use Kang to kill off some of these mistakes they made in phase 4 but they blew it in Quantumania.
Potential spoiler: I didnt realize that He Who Remains is a variant of Kang until now, now have a little, little hope in the MCU@@Cheo.M
We want quality not quantity.
@@ayeRiseAi 💯
When he who remains says to Loki in their last encounter in the show "do you know who wins?" [paraphrasing] and Loki says "he who remains" it's a double meaning. Loki is now becoming he who remains. He's the last one at the end of time holding it together.
Yes. You said that last time I was here.
@@No_auto_toon funny, you think that was the only time i hear that from you?
Just read and I agree
I think the first time Loki actually realized he could flip the script on himself was that time in the TVA theatre where Mobius was showing him how his sacred timeline would progress. With his mother dying, how he reconciles with Thor and how Thanos takes his life. This was a therapeutic experience and a huge lightbulb moment that made him stubborn and eager to form connections and change his future. Something that Sylvie never got.
You are so right. That was the first time something shook in him.
Everything on the show built upon itself to the next realization
Virgo perfection!!
It helped guide the audience slowly onto the climax
Nothing out of place!!
Silvie's role in this mess was tragic. She was basically a feral child
@@mrceadSylvie's purpose was to make Loki realise that he had a higher purpose, a Glorious Purpose. He saw his flaws through her and realized he could be better. He could make the ultimate sacrifice to save all.
Without her he would've never become who he was truly meant to be. That is why HWR paved the way for them to arrive at the citadel together and have the confrontation they did, and even allow her to kill him, all so Loki can grow and figure out what needed to be done to replace him.
@@GraysonJStedmanjr It's not a sacrifice if it turns out to be the greatest thing he can do for himself as well. Give Loki his dignity. He found out he was nothing but a pawn and fought his way out of that. That isn't sacrifice it's taking charge of his own destiny.
the other thing about this scene: the temporal radiation ages things away. if asgardians get stronger with time, then the temporal radiation is actually just making him more and more powerful as well
He's not Asgardian though. He was adopted because his father the kind of the frost giants abandoned him for being a runt. He had an enchantment placed on him to make him appear Asgardian. I'm not saying you're wrong I'm asking how it's possible if he isn't Asgardian.
@@Mar032891 maybe the enchantment wasn't just to make him appear asgardian, but trulybecome asgardian
@@ebinmemes2298 nods* yeah if anyone is strong enough to cast an enchantment so powerful it would be Odin. Yeah actually I can see him infusing him with his Odinmagic to almost blood adopt him. I dig it.
@@Mar032891that's how I've seen it from the beginning
There all asgardians even frost giants they just are frost giants
To those of you unaware of the writers of Loki Season 2; they are Justin Benson and Aaron Moorehead who also wrote/directed/starred in a couple of their own movies with Time Loop/ Time Travel/ Connected universe stories. The movies are Resolution and The Endless, both of which are fantastic. Moorehead also directed another time travel movie called Synchronic. They are the masters of Time Travel in film and is why Marvel picked them to write Loki Season 2 and it was phenomenal as their other work is. I truly hope Marvel picks them to write Kang Dynasty.
Yeah, I was really excited when I saw those names. And it's not only timeloops, the Resolution and The Endless both contained some cosmic being (though a little more prominently in The Endless). I was hoping they would put that talent for cosmic horror (for lack of a better term) to good use for Loki, and wasn't disappointed.
Kang is gone thankfully.
Thanks 🤜
The writing, the acting. This show was amazing. Thanks guys.😊
Loki is the most well written character in marvel’s cinematic universe. His story and character development is a masterpiece. They need to keep the writers from the show to work on more shows and the movies
The moment Loki asked how long it will take him to learn everything about the psychics, television and book and they just time-skipped thousands of years, I knew the ending will be mindboggling.
I know right? At that point when I was watching I thought, "No... they wouldn't... really? But they went there, and then much further. It was very ambitious, and they mostly pulled it off."
It took loki 100 years to get wise like he who remains on physics
@@youtubeaccountserio2633I think it was 200 years ago
I think the gold throne is a reference to kintsugi , the Japanese art of repairing ceramics with gold to show that something broken can be even more beautiful because of its past. Loki is the gold holding the Marvel multiverse together.
No
That’s good
did u even seen the season 2@@superpanda3857
Even if it’s not true, I believe in this.
I thought the gold was referencing Asgard. He always wanted an Asgardian throne, Asgard is completely made of gold. 🤷🏽♂️
Exellent analysis on the aging of loki, you forgot that the time votex ages everything it touches, so the suit rapidly ages and degenerates , victor timely was hit with so much he aged to atoms instantly. With loki it aged away his clothes , his face momentarily showed aging but then his magic was super boosted.
Makes perfect sense when you think about how the time stone affected thor as you said.
But loki is a frost giant he is not really of asgard
@wheelsmcgee9770 Yeah but he learnt magic and probs have some odin magic infused in him. So makes him a superpowered frost giant. Frostgaints have powers anyway, so he was always an innate magical being.
Interstingly instead of futuristic armors (NY Avengers - Loki, Quantumania - Kang), both He Who Remains and Loki That Remains are wearing clothes that reminds midival times.
how the time vortex change loki horns?
@@AdhityaRamaputraLoki was most likely powerful enough to conjure horns and an outfit that were seemingly unaffected by temporal decay.
Or he just conjured some material that would last a hell of a long time (or forever)
I'm so glad they finally portrayed the whole "Asgardians + time = strength" rule in the MCU
I remember in one of the old Avengers cartoons there was a scene where Thanos obliterates everyone including the Hulk by using the time stone to age them into dust, but all this does to Thor is make him strong enough to deflect the beam which makes Thanos old, forcing him to undo the action and inadvertently revive the other Avengers.
I knew they'd never be able to depict that in the MCU, but this is also an acceptable way to do it and arguably just as badass.
If you're talking about Avengers: Assemble, then that show ended in 2018. I wouldn't exactly classify it as old yet.
Especially an Asgardian that can now Omnilock, the scale of his strength is now truly infinite.
Loki is a frost giant not asgardian
@@tconc8594 Yes and no. At least mythologically, he's both a god and a Jötunn (frost giant). I believe it's safe to assume that since Loki doesn't turn into a giant member of the blue man group once he enters the TVA (Since magic doesn't work in the TVA), whatever Odin did to Loki as a baby effectively turned him into the half Asgardian half Frost Giant.
Yeah it's good
He Who Remains actually, I believe, wanted Loki to finish as the heart of the multiverse. He said, in S1E6, he paved the way for Loki & Sylvie to get there. He was looking for someone to take his place, as he had been doing for millions of years. Also, in S1E2, they actually showed multiple variants of Loki that they pruned. In the void at the end of time, he meets multiple variants of himself that survived the pruning (and each other). HWR was obsessed with finding the correct variant, and would have variant after variant pruned after they failed his test, until he found Loki & Sylvie (whose nexus event was her deciding to be a hero, in my opinion). He only told them two options, one that would lead to the multiverse war and the other to them continuing his work pruning timelines. He never gives them any other option, forcing Loki to discover the best option to deal with HWR’s variants without pruning entire timelines.
Anyway, that is only my opinion. What do you think?
This is exactly how I interpreted it as well. Kang is one of the coolest characters ever
Yes, Loki at his throne in end of time is the plan of HWR. Loki travelling to past and talking to HWR gave him enough time to adjust his plan and keep Loki path in the same direction.
I think Kang wanted Loki to take his place but without having to die in the process. He wanted to protect the loom, not break it. Loki destroyed it and sacrificed himself to keep everything alive
Loki is now HWR 😊
This Kang likely has gone down this road multiple times coming out as victor, and perhaps really was one of the good Kangs (this one wanting to preserve his timeline and ensuring the people on it had a life to live) believing he rather be the devil we knew instead of something worse. That being said, I believe he was just tired. Of the whole thing he knew at some point the timeline would fail, likely restarting the war or starting the war. He saw just like the single timeline that there was a cycle of repeat. (the man was tired), yet he must have saw that there was a chance for him to change the guard perhaps giving his timeline a chance to survive. Hence Sylvie and Loki. They were variants that likely were a once in a million glitch. Assuming we treat the sacred timeline and its off shoots before pruning as a system of cycle and repeat, every once in a while in a repeating system, given enough time something unexpected might occur.
In this case a Loki that actually had a chance of doing actual good.
Sylvie who is a female Loki (all loki's were male that we are aware of gator loki included)
Bet what happened was Kang then created the events and paths that would lead them to him and giving them the offer, hoping to give him a opportunity to retire, or killed off so long as the timeline was preserved. If it didn't well the war starts and he comes back. The problem was that Kang didn't consider the possibility of a third option likely cause he didn't think a third option was on the table. At least not until Loki showed what he was capable of.
Since Loki decided to take the third option of sacrificing himself to destroy the loom and preserve multiple timelines himself, It likely gave Kang perhaps a smirk before dying again that maybe there is a chance that the war will go different and that no longer will it be won be a Kang variant.
I think you're right about loki living longer than He who remains. When he's tearing down the loom his face morphs to og loki. I think his young face is an enchantment so non of the tva is freaked out by his age.
I just hope that we one day get to witness Thor & maybe some of the other og Avengers witness what Loki has become. That will have to be an incredible moment.
The Hulk is gonna piss his pants!!
I had the same thought after I watched the finale of season 2. Like, how proud would Thor be to see his brother finally fulfill his glorious purpose!
@@surajbarkul2828I want loki to pick up Thors hammer just to screw with him
@@wor1dconquerer170 yes pls I need this in my life
I always thoughtLoki would end up as one of the few successful entries post endgame. I'm glad it did. Easily my favorite MCU show.
I still cant shake the feeling that Dr Doom will have something to do with that castle. But I do think the Celestials are watching over the multiverse and time, and so im sure we will see more of them as we move into this multiversal, cosmic, time - warping saga! Its pure chaos and I love it! I just wish Marvel would focus more on stories like this than political messaging and character changing.
I agree because my mind was blown when they were in the citadel again and HWR showed that he is a much bigger threat than Thanos ever dreamed of being and ofc the ending was somewhat expected but I didn't think it would be such a masterpiece. I waited all year for this show and it didn't disappoint oh how I wish they would've done secret invasion in the same epic fashion. Gaiah was the first OP now Loki well I guess Wanda technically.
Arent the celestials universal level beings only, they exist to maintain life on their own universes, why would they go or exist beyond the multiverse
@@kenworks15I think they are differentiating mcu and marvel comics. So theorising that in mcu, celestial are multi versal.
So star lord could be there
No more white males!
One thing ive noticed in this phase is how their leveling up alot of the heroes.
When the MCU was first starting out they had to tone down the powers of some of these charecters, but slowly theyve been getting stronger and stronger~
Yeah cause the villians an threats are getting stronger an stronger so they have to get stronger aswell its about time tho been boring lately
Like a doctor strange with three eyes and some corrupted Wanda
That'd not exactly true though. So far the people we've seen get a power up have been removed/died. Loki now stuck holding the multiverse, Wanda presumably dead after suiciding, dr strange awaiting another movie to find out if he gets screwed over or not
Ending Loki as a series here tho is perfect. He's set up like a true mythical figure. They should figure out a way to do the same for Thor rather then just kill em.
Thor could turn into the Rune King
ye but i have a feeling they gonna do something like use a loki variant to replace him,maybe sylvie wil take his place for some times
@@ppsarrakisI would go with Sylvie being the Loki now on the main timeline. Our Loki could make it so no one but Mobis and Sylvie knows the truth that lead to the change. Would be funny to see Thor interacting with his sister Loki rather than his brother Loki.
@@dreamweavercreations.2451 thats actually brilliant and prob most likely since i heard Tom Hiddleston is done with the MCU aparently,prob for the better
I got a different vibe when he responded to "He Who Remains", as though it wasn't exactly him who wrote the story to get Loki where he is but rather a subtle nod to the fact that history is written by the winner and whomever is left to write the story, it will have been that person who remains. Maybe acknowledging that Loki could have been the reason the story played out as it did and that he's gonna win over Kang
I'm getting goosebumps just from hearing this theory. Imagine Loki surprising everyone taking on Beyonder Kang, it would be like when Thanos' ship gets destroyed but so much deeper
I'm glad someone mentioned the connection between Lokis horns and HWR's Tempad, really sticks out to me though and nobody seems to have noticed
I been searching everywhere for that and couldn't find anybody pointing that out. I'm almost sure Kang defeated a Loki god of stories in the past and made his tempad out of lokis crown and that's how he wins with lokis magic.
@@jesusaajoh I understood it as he created his own version of the temple but used his horns as the "conduit" instead of a spherical disk but with the time play they have been writing yours is also plausible
Edit: tempad not temple
it could be that "quantum ore" shit, no idea tbh, it just seems weird that out of nowhere loki's horns are made of the same stuff as HWR tempad' its also what the throne and citadel is made out of.. i doubt its important xD but it threw me off a little
@@Lorfind949 He's always been the god of stories and then somehow Kang defeated him or killed him and used lokis crown to make the tempad, look at it it looks just like lokis crown. This has always happened.loki becomes god of stories than the war and somehow gets defeated and Kang uses his crown to creat the tempad and erases everybody's minds and creates the loom until a new Loki comes again does the whole TVA thing and becomes god of stories again and it starts again.I bet you that's what it is.
@@jesusaaj Why are you thinking it as a loop? So what no more movies after that because it's a loop
He Who Remains literally said he was just another random Kang but he got Alioth and Won and made the Multiverse into a single timeline and then all of Marvel takes place then Loki and bam, and with the emergence of the Multiverse, a new Multiversal War will take place but the heroes will be involved leading to them winning but having to restart over, creating a soft reboot for Marvel
7:05 that actually make a lot of sense. The temporal radiation also make thing grow older faster. You can see Victor suit getting rusty the more he is getting close to the temporal loom. So it explains the change of clothes, the power surge and even his face when he is destroying the temporal loom (although I would have expected some bear at some point but maybe he doesn’t have any facial hairs )
In that final episode in one of Loki’s final time slips when victor tilmey is putting his head in the temporal aura machine, Loki time slips in at the exact moment that the computer voice says “welcome back he who remains” and he proceeds to become just that
Fantastic redemption arc for a character. If and when he randomly appears in the next avengers movies the entire movie theater will cheer just like when cap catch Thor's hammer
Only the ones that watched it
The finale of Loki was Awesome! also bittersweet. Tom Hiddleston has stated that it's the conclusion of six films, 12 episodes, and the character of Loki. 14 years of his life in the MCU. He was 29 when he started and he's now 42. Tom is saying Loki is done, therefore no season 3 of Loki. It's sad to see him finished as Loki, I can't see anyone else being Loki. I'm very happy that it ended with Loki at the top and left us with Loki being a great guy, finally fulfilling his purpose. Thanks, Tom so very much. Job well done. Love you always! ❤️ We will definitely miss Loki.😢
I agree, Loki is only temporarily holding the multiverse together in HOPE that somehow the Kangs will be defeated this time.
Sounds like a case for Dr Strange.
KANG was IN the chair for EONs so way more , and if he pick loki to be his champ it was because he has a plan
maybe the kangs kill the celestial in charge of the timelines
The writers of this show sure did live up to their glorious purpose! For you, for all of us💙💙💙💙
This season was beautifully done we love Loki and his character arc/development and growth
This loki searies is like going to school and listen to the teacher but still not clear to you so you have to go back home and look for more information. Brilliant writing
So this ancient material that Loki uses to create throne to wrap all the timelines together into a Multiversal Tree. I like the reference to the God Quarry, as well as the theory of Loki being the Custodian of the Multiverse.
Comics explained had the theory first and that's exactly what Loki is doing anchoring the multiverse as it's custodian.
I really think the golden liquid is god blood. If you watch Love and Thunder it is exactly the same consistency and color.
Ichor?
Only greedy gods blood is golden like that. Idrk what golden liquid you're talking about though.
Thor bleeds red
@@castynscott4394 Gods bleed gold when they are dying. Odin died into gold dust during Ragnarok and Jane did the same at the end of L&T. Thor has bled red because he never truly died. Loki bled red because he's not actually a god - he's a “small” Frost Giant.
@@onedudesmind Jane is not a god, Odin, Frigga, and Jane turned to gold dust bc they were going to Valhalla, and Loki is a real god Odin made him a god Odin is the allfather he changed Loki’s whole DNA which is why he’s not blue in the TVA, if Odin only changed Loki’s appearance that would be a huge risk if Loki had a kid and it came out as a frost giant
Loki came to the same conclusion as Scott Lang, "we both just need to lose"
Only way to beat a kang
Except Scott didn't lose shit 😂
@@Marukanitelwell his plan was to lose but luckily sub par writing saved the day
If you think about it, Loki now works as the loom did, he’s the new failsafe! Once the council of kangs destroy time- Loki will be able to timeslip around in order to go back and defeat them. Honestly such a mindfuck, but soooo cool!!
I wish there was a little more to the understanding that the Citadel at the end of time looks like OB’s office AND OB’s real home
Loki will return. If you guys remember he pruned himself at the elevator scene. Him and Renslayer will meet up at the Prune world.
Nah, that same Loki that he pruned was Past Loki, which was the Loki that got pulled out of the time stream by Mobius
I think everyones forgetting the fact that Loki brings ragnarok, which technically applies to everything, not just Asgaard, but also Midgaard, Nephilhiem, and the rest. But he also brings the rebirth of the universe.
This can easily bee overlapped with the TVA and celestial making/breaking the multiverse, and also the nordic tales.
I would call this a mixture of all of them, in a way that can make sense.
It makes total sense and does not surprise me that they tell Loki's story thus way.
I can't wait to see how this will tie into quantum realm, multiverse, celestials,and hopefully involve the Watchers, and the Celestials, which means also Galactus, that means Silver Surfer and the FF.
This type of storyline could really blossom.
Or what about Firestorm, or other former Galctus heralds?
I have a theory, Loki gave a fighting chance against kang to every universe by giving life to the multiverse but i believe in secret wars he will realize that he who Remains was right and council of kangs becoming more powerfull so loki comes up with a new plan which would be creating a battle world and i think we will see another conversation between he who remains and loki.
It would make no sense for Loki to create battle world
@@Unknown_-bt8uv why? We haven't seen the origin of he who Remains, he can reborn in this multiverse now and if I'm not wrong he who Remains only said he tamed alioth but I don't think he said he built the TVA I think he eventually took over the TVA after taming alioth with the help of renslayer and this cycle will repeat and Loki will realize that at some point and the only way to break this cycle is to create the battle world or even if Kang creates the battle world Loki will be free of his duties of sustaining the multiverse then could play a huge part in the secret wars
@@lastsaviour4916but there could be a version outside of time like this kayne like in the quantum world
Or he completely took care of the entire Kang problem right there, allowing Marvel to write Kang out of the story after the firing of Jonathan Majors. However, I hope they recast Kang rather than fully abandon the character.
@@lastsaviour4916 We literally do in Season 1
He was just a random Kang but got help with the use of Alioth and won.
It was a Kang Battle against Kangs not other heroes
The cool thing about this series is that they put everything in front of us and hid nothing. Just like the grooves on a record, we see it but it doesn't make much sense until the needle gets there, freakin brilliant writing. The cosmic time element was always present and every being that weilded cosmic power had a cosmic metal to harness it (infinity gauntlet, Eye of Agamoto, Asgatdian weapons, Celestial tech and Eternals science). Right there in front of our face the entire time, He Who Remains has a device that looks completely out of place with the TVA, looks Celestial and we're here thinking it's just some future bling🤦🏿♂️Thanks for pointing it out
I’m just happy that this analysis gave Loki the chance to come back and be with his friends and reunite with Thor again. I cannot stand the thought of him being alone.
My thought was that he could use time traveling like ground hogs day to further his knowledge, and became so knowledgeable about time and quantum physics that once he entered the TVA with his magical abilities intact, he could use those abilities to manipulate the elements around him that would allow him to manipulate time, such as the gold and the onyx rock of the citadel. Loki could conjure things made out of metals. If he had the intricate knowledge of how he who remains technology worked he basically became a living temp pad.
Makes sense actually
@TheDenofNerds Having watched several of these reviews and explanations I just realized something about the gold flowing through the citadel's structure. When it's flowing like a liquid up to and forming Loki's throne it reminds me of the god's blood from L&T. Is it possible that all the gold in the citadel is the blood of dead gods acting as a power source for everything including HWR's temp pad. It would be a believable explanation of how a mortal like Kang is able to control all of time like he did. It would even fit with your theory that the citadel is the god quarry.
I think that Loki is the reason why the time stone is green also yellow energy in the mcu is usually related to cosmic energy or entities like cap marvels powers and the eternals powers so Loki using gold energy’s would make sense seeing as he would need massive amounts of cosmic energy to manipulate time but what I don’t understand is how the celestials were showing to be these all powerful beings but kang rules time not them 😂
I know, how Kang just a future human rules time and not Eternity (thor 4) or the Celestials (eternals) or the living tribunal (doctor strange 2).
What gets me is episode 5 was literally written over a weekend as they changed the story last minute leaving the writer to have such a short time. How on earth was that episode which wasn’t the best compared to the rest of the series but still so much better than the dribble we’ve been fed over the last few years
about asgardian age thing, loki didn't get powerful as he aged, because he was time traveling back and forth, so that asgardian aging thing couldn't have any effect on loki, as he technically didn't age. what happens here is that loki had limitless time thanks to his time traveling abilities and used it to learn lot and get lots of experience, you know so he was more experienced, smarter, wiser and so on.
Just that in the episode alone where Loki ask Ouroboros how long will it take for him to learn...
OB said Decades, Time said Centuries... Then the episode skips to "Centuries Later"... If Loki Actually works as an Asgardian... We have not yet to see his full powers and everything He've learned over the centuries
He Who Remains is simply using Loki for his powers and only as a temporary solution to hold the timelines together so he could prepare for war. He showed Loki everything he needed to know to break the Temporary Loom and control the timelines. Its either He Who Remains or Kang the Conqueror that Ravonna Renslayer see at the end.
I like the idea that Loki is now older than he who remains, likely Odin himself. Loki is now way beyond intelligent, far above Ironman or Reed Richards, likely the most skilled version of Loki with his magic, including sorcerer supreme Loki. With his powers and control over all the timelines, he could harness infinite numbers of infinity stones, or anything else the MCU has at its disposal.
Can you prune a celestial? How would they fair against alioth?
I think Alioth is like Scarlet Witch, just one in the multiverse so more power than a Celestial that are many in just one universe
@@HIWHYAIWYAGD is mcu scarlet witch more powerful than the celestials!
@@MasterKnight2K she deleted the darkhold in all the universes. That alone can make her delete any characther from all the universes or a least a powerfull characther in just a universe
@@HIWHYAIWYAGD yeah, I didn’t think of it that way
@@HIWHYAIWYAGDshe destroyed the darkholds in every universe by destroying wundagore.
0:01 BRO I absolutely LOVE the pulp fiction add in right here man ❤
One thing I wondered was that as Loki learned to control his time slipping to the point that he would slip to being in himself rather than physically appearing as a separate self that he wouldn't slip to a future version of himself that already figured it out. Bc it seemed like all he had to do was think of where/when he wanted to go and he could. Kang mentioned in Quantumania that it's hard to not skip to the end. I see that it would take away from Loki's arch and growth and change the story but I did wonder.
how would he think of a time when he already figured it out if he doesn't know when that time/ point that is? doesn't he have to think of the time & place he wants to travel in order to get there?
@@cheyennelandgraf5081 Kinda part of it too. Bc it doesn't explain how much of a thought/details are needed to travel to the points he goes. Videos out there mention theories that he goes to when/where his friends are in the one episode. When the Loom blew up he didn't know where everyone ended up and where in their timelines but he found them. So, curious if all he had to do is think of the end point, or whatever thought he needs to have to get there, and he would arrive. Bc he got better at traveling to the point he wasn't physically appearing separate from himself he was traveling and showing up "inside" himself. And by the time he had the talks with HWRs he basically perfected his abilities. But again, the requirements aren't specifically stated in the show. I'm sure it just had to work out this way for the show to tell its story. Still love the show lol.
No one seems to mention the throne Loki sits on was mentioned by He Who Remains in Ep6 saying he sits in that chair because he makes the big decisions. Loki then went forth and made the big decision(s) to restore the multiverse and supplant HWR as the timekeeper. Another thing, what Loki power did he use to destroy the loom, no one has touched on that either.
He is the Custodian of The Multiverse
If Marvel can keep putting out quality like season 2 Loki…… they’ll have my respect again.
5:20: What you’re thinking about is from the animated Avengers cartoon, not from the OG Infinity Gauntlet comic. In that, the scene plays out with Thor aging via the time stone before telling him that Asgardians get stronger with age
Yeah, I was wondering that because I don't remember that from the comic. I remember him turning Thor to glass and shattering him while dropping Drax and Firelord thru time.
@@djhiem th-cam.com/video/VDMD2kbQJ-o/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
@@djhiem Yup. That’s exactly how I remember it 👍
Also, Thor was actually Eric Masterson in the IG series.
I ran into this video by accident but I'm glad I did. You are f'n amazing and I love how you went into depth and actually explained everything I needed to know! Definitely subscribing for more of your content
I hope at some point Thor gets to see Loki and how powerful he is now. That should be great for his fragile ego lmao
Loki is one of my #1 favorite characters in the mcu. W
They actually used every time travel concepts in this show and its fun to watch
My favorite part was when he time slipped back to when he was being interviewed by mobius. That was GOLD!!
Mobius said that the kang varient from antman 3 was handled so we are ok...for now. Which i take that as hes isolated for the time being, not dead so i think we will see him in Secret Wars
You're probably right, I believe that varient was just randomly teleported and is now stranded somewhere in the multiverse.
@@ToxynCorvin8008 exactly. But I guess it all depends on what happens with Majors' trial
9:55 the grinch
Notice the top of the tree is purple hue. So Loki is holding together the roots that form all the Kang branches at that certain point.
That's alot of Kangs lol
As an illusionist who can see into the multiverse from his thrones and literally hold all wolrds in his hands and upon his shoulders, I don't see why he couldn't project illusions of himself into the universes without leaving his throne.
One thing we all missing is that He Who Remains is the vilain of the Multiversal Saga in the MCU , not "Kang".
Ok , in the comics the main variant of Nathaniel Richards is named Kang and in that medium most of the others variants are just "Kang" variants, but pay attention here:
1- In the series HWR introduces himself as the winner of the multiversal war and never "name" any of his variants and the fact is the name Kang was never mentioned;
2 - By the end, the new goal of the TVA becomes hunt down HWR variants, not Kang Variants.
Actually Mobius confirms that the variant of his in Quantumania ( wich was named Kang) is dead.
It seems minor but i got the feeling Quantumania was the last time we will hear the name Kang - something that could in the end make easier to replace Majors moving on.
I kind of wondered what Disney was going to do about Jonathan Majors as they have been very tight lipped about his legal issues. I almost wonder since the Kang Dynasty is being delayed and delayed that maybe they are just going to drop that story and let Loki be a winner. I did see some headlines talking about how Doctor Doom is replacing Kang in the upcoming movies. It's all up in the air I guess.
The series just mentions "centuries later", and while long to spend on one problem it's not infinite eons. But that's plenty. Not just doing a groundhog day times 10-100k of fixing the temperal loom loop. But travel the multiverse, meet people, understand how everything works.
Many humans (Wanda, Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel) gain immense power in only a few decades. If he needed them he has access to an infinite number of infinity stone (some lying in drawers) and any teachers of space and time he could visit. Including his mother (and Odin).
He could definitely obtain any powers his variants have, plus some unique ones. Maybe study with a few sorceror suppremes, celestials or even dark beings like dormammu (as his daughter, Charlize Theron, will play a role). My theory is he can guide his own variants, kinda as extensions of himself but with free will, turning each timeline green with this link. If these variants can then also timetravel (timepads and timestones), he can be everywhere at once...
My Theory is, Loki is/was time slipping because after the meeting with HWR the outcome was already set in motion. What IS is what WAS and what WILL BE.
Loki is moving Loki through Spacetime, because he already destroyed the loom, even in the process of trying to save it, Season two is just witnessing
"Time" through the eyes of loki. Where did it change? when loki thought to go back to Mobius and Sylvie (even though it happened AFTER that it happens in at the same time)
He says He will stop all of Kangs Variants,
"I won't stop"
"I know.... Champ.."
but then he follows in up with a quote by T.S. Elloit. And you can tell Kang didn't know what he was talking about then panicked.
Saying he HAD to kill Sylvie (the first time he says this) The process was already started that HWR lost control of the loop, and i think he knew it.
Because Loki was put in a place in BOTH seasons where he was shown how he didn't want to be alone, his only fear. He would have to accept that to beat the game.
and in the end he does, for the only friends he's ever had.
I think that this variant of Loki is expediable and he will never be able to leave the chair.
What if Loki never destroyed the loom but instead just created the most elaborate illusion ever to slip away?
But I seriously think Loki needs to be in Dr Strange 3.
Loom was falling apart, Loki spent hundreds of centuries trying to repair it, but nothing worked. And he changed, Mobius really became close to him, even platonically close. Loki is no longer running away, he is burdened with glorious purpose he spoke of in 2012 and in the first episode "Loki", but not in the way he had previously imagined
Season 2 of Loki was the best MCU content we’ve gotten in a while. 2nd only to the quality of the Marvels.
Okay I want a game of thrones style prequel with asgardians. Song of ice and fire style. I want Odin to see a prophecy of Ydrasil and this leads to the eventual war between asgardians and ice giants. He had to turn Loki into a god because for whatever reason ice giant plus asgardians = god Loki idc make it happen
YES. THIS!
Cool video! I didnt know asguardians get stronger as they get older which makes sense with Loki having done CENTURIES of time travel! I think hes going to come back to help later with multiversal war or similar too!
If Episode 5 was supposed to be revisiting the moments that Endgame had already done, I'm okay with it being nuked. We don't need an Endgame rehash that could also end up being very expensive.
I do agree with Erik Voss of New Rockstars that the one flaw of the finale is not getting enough of Renslayer. She and Miss Minutes only appeared *mostly* in two episodes this season and both characters had so much potential being more than what we saw. They already built great chemistry in 1x6. Perhaps that's why I didn't love 2x5 as much because they were both missing along with Victor. Science/Fiction was still a good episode that I enjoyed but it could've been better.
I felt Renslayer got the short end of the stick in all this. I know she's a ball-breaker but she's only doing her job. That's what leaders do and that's making the difficult decisions. She put the TVA over her own happiness and humanity. Then her memories got erased. Then she ends up in the Void. Heavy Spoilers' theory is that's not Alioth that she sees in the Void but a Kang variant (likely Rama-Tut as we see a pyramid) where you see the purple color reflecting on her clothes.
I was rewatching Loki Ep 3-5 yesterday. So here's the thing. When we first see Mobius (or Don) in 2x5, it's only 2022. So I guess he wasn't gone that long then? Writers didn't want him to look like a deadbeat dad who doesn't care about his sons. Owow "Just Add Water" Wilson the GOAT wingman actor and first billing enhancer. Owen gets second billing to a project but he can always enhance the actor receiving first billing in whatever Frat Pack or Jackie Chan movie he's in. Just add water and stir! He's that guy.
Owen Wilson had already worked with Tom Hiddleston in Midnight in Paris (2011). I'm hearing Mobius will appear in Deadpool 3, so everyone's favorite jet ski salesman who loves his key lime and McDonald's pies isn't going to be gone from us for very long. It's cool that Don/Mobius and Rebecca/Ravonna are both from Ohio. It makes me wonder if Mobius and Ravonna hooked up at some point like Cassian Andor and Bix Caleen?
Again, I think Renslayer deserves better considering she worked as a TVA judge making all the tough decisions on variants when she happens to be a variant. She's been living a lie for EONS. True, she did kill C-20 who was finding out about her real origin from Sylvie, but it's not like Renslayer was operating at her own free will either. By 1893, she looked unhinged and lost her way. She was used, man!
It's not like Renslayer is completely heartless. She did look torn and hurt when she pruned Mobius, someone she always looked out for. I would love to see her back in some way. For her to end up in the Void kinda sucks. She might have had it harder than Sylvie. That's who Sylvie would become if she was caught. Renslayer carrying the TVA on her back for eons after helping He Who Remains win the Multiversal War. Taken from her own timeline. I think she deserves a vacation with a free jet ski included.
Maybe there is a happy ending for Rebecca/Ravonna next to single dad of two, Don, while living in Ohio somewhere? I guess the Mobius = Jack theory didn't come to be if Don was living in Cleveland and Jack was in Oklahoma. Sorry, Erik Voss. And well, Mobius' real name happens to be Don and not Jack. It's a nice read about Loki S2 on Wikipedia that Sophia Di Martino helped develop her character next to Kevin Wright and the McDonald's idea came up.
I'm glad that this episode of Sneak Peek really puts emphasis on the writers. We must applaud Eric Martin who I plan to follow in whatever future projects he will be part of. Michael Waldron set such a great foundation with the TVA and all the rules and lingo in S1. Eric carried the baton well. Great projects will come down to great writing. If the writing sucks, the project sucks. It's that simple. Right, Zawe Ashton? Don't blame Tom Hiddleston's significant other for that character.
So the theory is Loki will be Avengers Prime by Secret Wars. So this isn't the end for Loki. That's been out there for a while. I believe this is the happy ending we'll have when Loki reunites with Sylvie and Thor. Of course, when you leave a happy ending like that ala Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989), it doesn't open the book to have more projects for them. And Disney plans to milk MCU forever and ever. So no happy ending is really a true ending with MCU.
I thought Toy Story 3 would be the last Toy Story movie but Disney went out and did a Toy Story 4 and a Buzz Lightyear prequel which flopped. No IP is ever safe with Disney because they love money. Thank goodness Robert Zemickis and Bob Gale never fell into this sequel/prequel/reboot/remake/spinoff trap. Michael J. Fox has Parkinson's. Back to the Future Part III did say THE END at the end. Leave it as is. Speaking of BTTF, today is November 12. Save the clock tower! ⛈️ 8⃣8⃣
New Rockstars now officially sucks.
Knowledge is Loki's power... Kang gave him the time. Loki can trick himself out of any situation given enough knowledge ahead of time!!!!!
*HE* *WHO* *REMAINS:* The most *informative* character in Phase Four and Five. You really need to listen to everything he says and watch how he reacts and his every nuance because he knows all and has seen all.
So I was rewatching Silicon Valley (2014-2019) and it's true like my first watch when it still aired. After S3, the decline in quality is quite apparent. I would rank SV's seasons like this: 2, 1, 3, 5, 6, 4. Collider had it: 2, 1, 3, 4, 5, 6. It's still a very hilarious show and I grew to love Jared Dunn the longer it went. But similar to 24, LOST, The Walking Dead, and Game of Thrones, Silicon Valley didn't have the best later seasons. Silicon Valley was never quite the same after they fired TJ Miller (Erlich Bachman) before S5.
I'm okay if Loki never gets a Season 3. *The* *writers* *never* *needed* *a* *re-shoot* *for* *it.* Got all the scenes they ever wanted pointed out by Sean Chandler. They originally created Loki like a two-parter. Think Back to the Future Part II and III. Or perhaps closer to Kill Bill Vol. 1 & 2 because Tarantino didn't want to cut scenes. He sees Kill Bill as one movie broken into two. The writers of Loki S1 and S2 said the same thing. Two chapters from the same book. Don't get me started with The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions as those 2003 sequels ruined the first one's lore and mystique as Tarantino said.
Even if we got a Loki Season 3, we would probably still need to wait for how long? Another 2 to 3 years for it? That's a long wait and what more do you want from this Loki character? To finally settle down with Sylvie? This isn't animated The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and Aladdin. It's not going to be a happy ending. The ending for Loki is actually similar to Conker's Bad Fur Day for the N64 and the first God of War for the PS2 in 2005. Loki is sitting on a throne but it's bittersweet. He's still all alone.
It sounded like in the title from the TH-cam video with Tom Hiddleston appearing on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon recently that Tom might be done with the character? He's retiring from it? He's been portraying the character for 14 years (early prep was around 2009 before the Thor movie release in 2011). Tom is a great actor and there is an article on how MCU ruined him the way Star Wars can ruin other actors' careers.
If Tom wanted to pursue other roles, he should get it the way Robert Downey Jr. needed to break away portraying Iron Man. Any actor should have their free will on what they want to pursue without feeling enslaved by a popular franchise which ends up typecasting them. At least we still have Loki S1 and S2. A new gold standard for MCU for me. Best character development I have ever seen with an MCU character.
As humans, I guess we're greedy. When things are good, we want more. We become spoiled and we don't want it to stop. Then when we get more, we'll grow tired of it and we're hoping it finally ends. It's like stuffing ourselves with delicious key lime pie until our stomachs starts to hurt. We can be self-indulgent with things we enjoy.
I do agree with Erik Voss that Renslayer was a bit underdeveloped this season. She only appeared in two episodes as the finale only showed her briefly. She was usually next to Miss Minutes who also only appeared in two episodes this season. If there was ever a character who needed a vacation, it's Renslayer. Gift her a jet ski courtesy of Don/Mobius while she's on one.
"I put the TVA above myself. Even at the costs of my own happiness. My humanity."
Ravonna Renslayer is the one character where I want to see her get rewarded in whatever future MCU project she might appear in. She was the one character working for the TVA who was taken advantage of. She's like female Michael Jordan in The Last Dance while Dennis Rodman wanted a vacation. Renslayer might be a ball-breaker but "leadership has a price".
Sylvie, on the other hand, got better for me during the last three episodes starting with The Heart of the TVA after she probably started off an annoying, dumb character on a revenge trip trying to screw more things up. I thought her whole speech with Mobius and then Loki was great. I think Sylvie and Mobius brought the best out of Loki. Without his bonding with them, he would've never changed for the better.
I didn't rank the Loki 1x6 (S1 finale) as my favorite episode prior or the best one but I think it's the one I've rewatched or relistened to the most. I like the slower pace and enjoy listening to all the dialogue similar to The Hateful Eight. When I was doing my laundry at a coin-op last night because I have this huge comforter that won't fit in my washing machine at home, "For All Time. Always." was the episode I was rewatching.
I'm starting to prefer He Who Remains more than Victor. He's an interesting guy. And 1x6 was probably the most informative Loki episode we ever got while still being the most quiet. A lot of the episode was basically 20 minutes of HWR speaking to Loki and Sylvie in the Citadel. It's not the best episode but it's probably the most rewatchable for me next to the two episodes called Glorious Purpose, The Nexus Event, Journey Into Mystery, and 1893.
How He Who Remains dropped his act in 2x6 and started using his real voice as Erik Voss pointed out in his breakdown was very interesting. HWR interacting with Loki was the most important scene to me in 2x6. We all know Jonathan Majors' legal troubles and these court cases are going to cost him money and work time like it did for Johnny Depp, but each time he's on screen, I'm always fascinated on what he says or does.
It's crazy to think Owen Wilson attempted suicide back in 2007 from depression. It's so easy to forget that. He doesn't seem like the type but he was. His characters always injects this calming demeanor. I read Owen used to frequent the Playboy Mansion and hook up with plenty of women. He has 3 kids from 3 different women, so he never really settled down. I hope he found his peace. Be a shame to lose him like what Robin Williams did to himself.
Without Mobius, I'm not sure Loki would've been as great as it is. Mobius' origin story sorta became a backbone to Loki's evolution. Owen is the perfect wingman actor. He's your "add water" actor because he mixes well with anyone.
Loki Season 1: A-
Loki Season 2: A-
Under the development tab is a good read -
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki_(season_2)
Must thank Michael Waldron, Eric Martin, Justin Benson, Aaron Moorehead, Kevin R. Wright, and so many more for such a great series. Think about how consistent this show was. Take your least favorite episode and it's probably still better than all of Season 8 and most of Season 7 from Game of Thrones. I have tons of different TV shows and it's rarely pretty for most of them during their later years.
We got 9 hours of good consistency from Loki. That's like 4.5 Back to the Future movies. Say Lamentis and Breaking Brad are your least favs, that's still 7.5 hours of great content. Back to the Future and The Godfather is between 4 to 6.5 hours of great content if you don't like the Part III of their trilogy. And I don't find the worst episodes of Loki to be that bad. Better than most episodes that came from The Book of Boba Fett, Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Mandalorian S3 and Ahsoka.
New favorite rankings for Loki episodes and characters...
1. 1x6 For All Time. Always. (my most rewatched)
2. 2x6 Glorious Purpose
3. 1x1 Glorious Purpose
4. 2x3 1893 (definitely growing on me)
5. 1x4 The Nexus Event
6. 1x5 Journey Into Mystery
7. 2x4 Heart of the TVA
8. 2x1 Ouroboros
9. 1x2 The Variant
10. 2x5 Science/Fiction
11. 2x2 Breaking Brad
12. 1x3 Lamentis
First series I know where the first and last episode have the same names and actually complement each other well since 2x6 went backwards like Memento. I keep rewatching 1x6 the most and 2x3 lately from S2.
The Miss Minutes scene with Victor still creeps me out from 1893. I snicker when I watch Renslayer hold that giant time stick at Victor like she's carrying a heavy gun as if she's Rambo and The Terminator. When Gugu acts pissed is when Renslayer really shines. She's a ball-breaker.
1. Loki
2. Mobius (became the ♥ of the show)
3. O.B.
4. He Who Remains
5. Victor Timely
6. Classic Loki
7. Miss Minutes
8. Renslayer
9. Sylvie
10. Casey
He Who Remains is the one who moved up big time. Each time he appears, I find him fascinating. It's a chess match with him in that same room because he knows all and sees all. He's only appeared in two episodes (appeared very brief in 2x4) which were the finales and he always shines for me because he's the one giving us the most new information. Majors needs to be applauded for his contrasting Kang personalities.
I know it's called Loki and it should be about him. We shouldn't expect the writers to close every thread for every character. Some do need to have their story open ended. But I do wish we see Ravonna back in some form in a future MCU project. Perhaps with Victor and Miss Minutes. To see all three on that boat in 1893 and without Loki and Mobius was kinda refreshing. That's the strength in the writing. None of those three are the leads and the episode still worked.
O.B. could've simply been a comic relief add-on but I'm glad they went deeper with him. His wife left him. He was a struggling science fiction author. But O.B. became one of the four most important characters for the TVA next to HWR, Victor, and eventually Loki. It's funny how Ke says, "We're all gonna die!" I thought Goonies never say die? 😉
Oh you must be joking
Who has time to read that whole thesis ?
Yea I think HWR was set free by Loki. Remember he could’ve ensured the death of all Loki variants and sat at the end of time forever. But for some reason he found fascination in Loki. I think HWR wanted Loki to take the spot for some reason because he planned literally everything else it doesn’t seem out of the possibility HWR would plan for the one thing that seemingly defeated him. In the same way Loki is now bound to that set HWR was and with Loki now on it HWR is free. At least that’s my theory. HWR is kind of a villainous hero and an amazing character along with the rest of his variants. Also might be reading into this too much but HWR is included in marvel’s intro with the rest of the hero’s. I just don’t think that’s the last of HWR we will see.
can’t say how much i enjoyed the banter between he who remains and Loki. Chemistry was so important
I like turtles.
Loki was already time slipping when Valkarie had him kneeling in the apartment on Sakar. Banner asked him "where have you've been?" Loki's answer is "it varies from time to time."
6:00 Why Loki looks the way he does really could be even more simple... We never see his birth mother and he was very small for a Frostgiant baby but notice he looks an awful lot like Hela.
I think MCU Loki is only half Frostgiant and his mother is Hela, so Odin didn't adopt a random Frostgiant baby, he adopted his grandson and he just tipped what genes showed through.
Thank you for sharing. Excited for season 3!!
When his helmet became a temp pad. I lost it. I noticed it instantly. This episode was so amazing.
I think Loki was the one to build the citadel in the first place and then Victor found it and used some parts to build the tempad. What if it's origin is Lokis crown and power? Then it goes around and around forever, Loki and Victor switching places.
I still haven't hear anyone mention it but check out the top of the building OB lives in on Earth in the opening scene from outside of it (aerial side view) the top part is obviously the head design of Arishem the Judge you won't be able to 'unsee' it- its really obvious
Thank you so much. I appreciate you citing your comic sources so that I can follow your assumptions. Lots of new information for me.
Thank you. I was lost. I am a huge classic Marvel fan, but I don't know anything about the variants and versions of the comics. I guess I should have kept reading them after I grew up. Here I am a 55 year old wondering WTF is going on, and your explanation of the ending of Loke S2 truly help me make sense of it all. I'd love to be in a room with those developing the over all story and see how they are plugging in this and that and giving themselves outs and options. Blows my little old mind.
I think Loki will be able to step away from the throne using his duplication casting powers
Nobody literally Nobody thought Loki would become everyone's favorite 🎉
This guy deserves more subs
I do believe that Time-God Loki still capable of using his avatars. Maybe his powers were somehow drained. But eventually he will regain strength and will appear as Avatar/Illusion to others. Unable to psychically influence the timestream, but still be inside of it.
At least we know why the time stone is green because of Loki
Great video 🔥
Cool explanation!
I loved how he was actually able to catch he who remains off guard
I love it too. He even stopped talking in a theatrical, condescending manner after Loki showed him up like that 💀
@@ClaudiaM-js6ol could be true, but his line about if Loki destroys the loom the war will start and this time the multiverse will die sounds like Loki could've broken the cycle he had, but you never know with a Kang variant
Well, if you pay attention during the conversation at the end of season one, he who remains tells both of them that there is only one alternate outcome, and it's if they take his place, so it would make sense that at the end, the only way to beat it is if he uses the Citadel and its power and his power and how much he's been through time now and aged. To take his place and be the guy. He thinks he should be as he says!!
I think loki is only a couple hundred years old at that point because every time he time slips he goes back to his original body. Even with the time slipping added, hes maybe in the thousands.
The main thing thing making him "old" is all that temporal radiation he experienced before he takes his throne. Im pretty sure it is said at one point that it makes time pass through you very fast. This also explains how he just walks out there with no suit; asgardians have a much higher lifespan.
Great episode!
Him learning to time slip told me when he sat on that throne he can sit there for millions of years or billions of years and he can always jump back into a younger variants body in any timeline/universe throughout time and space
Amazing! It made very sense! I know you are a real fan when you mention BEYONDER. I stopped reading about 30 years ago, but I still remember beyonder as being the most powerful ever! I remember when he showed up, innocent... lol. I have a vague memory of a scene with spiderman where beyonder is eating for the first time... (hot dog, I think) and then asks spiderman "what is this I am feeling in my tummy?..." (his first shit was never directy mentioned ahahahah)
Watching Loki season 2 ending i sadly get this impression that, What Loki did would Only be temporary at the end because looking closer in season 2 of key parts of "He Who Remains" and a certain "Judge" added the fact that "she" wakes up towards in the end of the episode, Not really in fear but with a determined "not going to lose" look in her eyes.