I’ve owned an xDiavel S since first launched and am still very much in love with the bike. I frequently ride the bike between the UK and Valencia, normally covering the trip across Spain in one hit. I don’t have any issue with forward pegs or a bad back, although my backside gets a tad uncomfortable in the final few hours (normal on any bike). The Termi exhaust system will give you more noise than you’ll know what to do with. And on a final note, too many people comment here, knowing nothing about this bike or ever owning one!
I’m about to make a 700-800 mile trip from Northern California to Portland Oregon and back and seeing your comment has me reassured I got this!!!! All for the “TERMI!”
@@TheMissendenFlyer As you're a Ducati fan-boy I was surprised by your relatively negative conclusion. I also respect your honesty. I hope Ducati do as well.
Have just sold my Diavel Carbon White after two years of ownership and I, like you, found that on the throttle in corners the front end was looking to drift wide. After an hour or so the riding position coupled with the vibration was doing my back in. But I am an old git! It’s a hefty old price for the X but one like mine you would get for less than half of the twenty grand they’re asking. Can’t disagree with your review as an honest opinion though.
Banditmanuk That was an initial plan but decided against it as I’d probably have found myself wrapped around some Armco! I’m here just now organising for the move in April. Nice little mid-range bike is ideal for here as you know!!
Bang on conclusion and precisely why I backed out of both the Diavel and the new Rocket: once the novelty has worn off, you’re basically left with a very expensive garage ornament.
Paul, you're missing out ! While I haven't been on the X Diavel I do own a Diavel 1260 . The diavel line has been a homerun for Ducati. And review after review on the Internet indicates that. Everyone loves the power and comfort of these bikes. Lastly I have owned cruisers and sportsbikes and my Diavel is truly my favorite. Go on a demo one of these days
As an XDiavel owner it's hard to disagree with most of your points except for what you say about the handling. I have never run wide in corners on mine. Nor had issues with tramlining. This bike will out corner any cruiser on the market including the Rocket 3. It sounds and rides like an absolute beast with the termi exhaust. But without it, it looks like Rambo but sounds like Frodo.
Well I’m not used to riding cruisers so it’s probably just down to me - I know in the right hands they do handle, but as someone used to a more conventional position I struggled a little. Glad we concur on the other points! Thanks for watching....
I'm with you Mike, I have a Diavel 1260 and these bikes handle incredibly well. I still appreciate a good review and this was a good one none the less.
I've had mine about 6 months and as much as I loved it it killed my back after a few hours! I started having doubts and remorse . However I fitted the rearset controls (right under your hips, not the mid set) and an extra high seat. I cannot overstate how much it has transformed the whole experience, now it's a masterpiece. I think TMF comments are valid but change the set up and it's a completely different machine. I have fallen in love with it again and would definitely recommend but the rear set controls and extra high seat are essential.
Im glad I'm not the only one who thinks this bike is hard to ride after an hour or so, I keep thinking of putting the mid pegs on and an aftermarket seat to get rid of some of the pain. The 2016 rocket 3 roadster is night and day when it comes to touring comfort.
One of the downsides with belt drive is the 10-15% (depending on the setup) power los, while a chain only has 1-4%. It's also much more expensive. But a lot less work to maintain.
Belt drives are quieter and that may be the reason for their use. Environmental laws regulate sound and once they quiet the engine the chain can become very noisy at high revs. I hears this is why HD began using belts on some models.
@@anthonyrosa5006 That's interesting. I didn't know that. I never even thought about the noise level of a chain, but it makes sense. An old chain often is stretched unevenly, and will smack the swingarm as it tensioning. At high speeds, that is a lot of times per minute and a lot of energy.
I have owned both the diavel (chain drive) and the X diavel (belt). And really, honestly, in the real world that % loss is just a statistic. I know the bikes engines are set up differently but believe me, you don't miss those %'s
@@dimsandwich Was there a difference in town riding between them? Like slow traffic splitting? I've never rode belt and I'm looking for the smoothest setup. My MT09 was horrible in traffic
Spot on, the only genuinely accurate review to date. I stated the reasons my mate and I I sold my Diavel and his XDiavel in your initial review so wont repeat, but will say we changed exhausts because they are so tame for such a bike and fitted tail tidies which puts the number plate under the back of the seat so cured (ish) the wet back problem. Word of warning though, illegal sized plates must be used or the indicators / stop lights are obscured! I own several feet forward cruisers, Harleys, Victory, Indian etc and can honestly tell you the only one that is comfortable on long rides is the Yamaha 1700 Warrior. It is fast too, mine has the same size rear wheel as it's a Custom and is as long but handles far better. The brakes are brilliant too (R1 derived front end). Much cheaper than all competitors despite being MUCH better, MT-01 based engine so will last forever so try one before spending a fortune.
Hi Paul, I too owned a Warrior and do not feel it can compare to a Diavel. If your only looking at price, a Warrior is an awesome bike. But, lets talk about all the technology, the looks and the fact that the Warrior isn't even being made anymore. I rather pay 10k for a used Diavel 1260 than 6k for a used Warrior...No comparison!
Cruiser back! I had a 2006 Wide Glide Harley Davidson for six years, beautiful bike but bad back after a while and in the wind you find yourself pulling forward so aching neck and arms. Back on ordinary normal bikes now, don't feel as cool but can ride all day and enjoy the ride.
I bought a 2021 XDivel Dark, I've just broken it in with 1,600 mi. I wasn't in the market for a bike until I saw a picture of this bike on the internet and fell in love with it. I'm 62 and have had Harley's since 19 my first was a 68 FLH stripped, I've had suicide shift choppers, and a new 1990 Fat Boy... I absolutely love this Ducati and have nothing bad to say about it....
@TheMissendenFlyer - Tyre pressures are vitally important on the Diavel. I run my Diavel at 42 psi R and 40 psi F. If you still have the bike try these pressures and see what a difference it makes to the handling. My Diavel can be flicked around through tight bends (as many riders around here have remarked).
Spot on - if you fall into the mid 30s with the pressure the bike wants to stand back up in turns. Higher pressure lets the bike fall nicely into the corners.
I owned a standard Diavel, back in 2011, just after they came out. Interesting to hear, you've got the same views about the X Diavel that I had with my standard bike. Got rid of it after 18 months and 2000 miles on the clock. While another bike I had did 2000 miles in 4 days!!! Great rounded review as ever, keep up the good work.
@@TheMissendenFlyer I was running the Rolling road Africa Twin DCT demo all weekend.....When the bike had a cool down I had a quick break from the stand.
I watch your review and decided that your negatives were not a problem for me so I went and put down a deposit on one today. I have always loved big heavy bikes and am the proud owner of an 04 Rocket 111, which I have had for just over 6 years now. Spent way too much money on her and we will never be parted, K&N air filters, full Maxton suspension front and rear, Dave Platt outlaw exhaust and more little things than I can even remember. I was looking for something just for me that was a bit more manageable, if I want to go two up I will use the Rocket. This bike was a steal at £14,999 brand new from Riders out of Bridgewater. Could not help myself, didn't even need a test ride as I tested a Diavel last year and loved the engine and sitting on this I new it was perfect for me. I am 6 foot 3 and big with it:) Can't wait for my first ride on her, just hope my Rocket doesn't get too jealous!
I’m taller and older yet I find the X- diavel one of the finest bikes I have every ridden. Yes I had pains in my back when I first started riding one, yet over time the pain has passed away. If you want your feet to be in the middle get the Diavel but I like the feet forward that’s the whole point of the bike, it’s a cruiser not a muscle, café racer or enduro and it does a very good job of being a sport cruiser.
Why more bikes don't use belt drive is a mystery to me. Mine (BMW F650CS) needs no maintenance at all and as I ride every day through winter it makes a massive difference for little power offset.
Another excellent review with a nice twist: you sitting on the bike. Since I'm 5'7" with a 30" inseam it gives me a real appreciation for the riding position. It really hits home seeing the feet forward, shoulders slightly forward position rather than if you just said your feet are forward and that causes back pain after a while. Thanks.
Have this exact bike and all the comments are spot on. You have however been plagued with terrible weather not suited to the bike so hope you have a chance to review in the dry as it’s a top banana bike in the dry
I bought my XDiavel back in 2016. I had to fit mid peg controls, Termi exhaust, Nitron R2 rear shock and Rapid Bike evo. I suspect that if you rode my bike you would have loved it. Took it around the Nurburgring and it was great
As a fairly recent "standard" Diavel "Dark" owner, I agree totally with your conclusion, with the "X" version sharing many of the negatives of the standard one that I had. I would add another negative, which is the non-existent front mudguard - I mean.......what is the point of that!? With hindsight I bought mine with my heart rather than my head and was rather seduced by the Diavel's stunning (in my opinion) looks. However, after the honeymoon period reality and doubts soon crept in. I found the seat uncomfortable after about 45 minutes, with no room to move around when your rear-end goes numb, the engine vibes were very noticeable and obtrusive. Also, like you, I could never find neutral gear when the bike was stationary and I spent all my time going up-down up-down between 1st and 2nd....that very soon became a real pain. I thought it would get better as the mileage increased, but it didn't. For me, handling was also an issue, with that big back tyre deciding where it was taking you rather than vice-versa. I mentioned the lack of front mudguard - it would throw all the road crud straight at the front of the engine and in through the radiator grilles, where it is impossible to clean without taking things apart. All in all, a fantastic looking bike.......BUT!! After 6 months I sold the Diavel and got a Yamaha FJR1300AE, which was the opposite to the Diavel (i.e. better) in almost every respect.
great honest and personal review tmf. that said it shouldn’t put anyone off buying one.. just make them aware of the little things that reviewers don’t always tell you. motorbikes are very personal things.. each to their own and all that. keep up the good work 👍🏻
I've been looking forward to this review for ages, thank you, I agree with everything you say, 100% spot on. But Ducati have a secret room no one knows about and when the bike's built, they wheel it in there and breathe fire into it, I've just bought one and I LOVE it, I'm proud to own it and ride it, I have other bikes too but I think you buy it with your heart and not your head. Ps, mine came with a VERY loud exhaust 😊🙈, cheers.
Great review on the bike. Being an owner of an Xdiavel I do agree with some of the cons you said. All these items you noted can be corrected. You just have to spend money to a new motorcycle. With the weight ratio to a power cruiser from Ducati noting compares.
Its refreshing to hear someone actually tell the truth for a change. Congratulations sir you have earned my respect, that is something that can not be purchased. Keep it up sir... I will be watching.... :)
Thank you Jon, I do try and be honest in all my reviews - it is only my opinion though of course and I’m not saying mine is any more valid than anyone else’s.
Honestly Xdiavels are mainly for fun, stay away from this bike if you want comfort. But let me just say you'll have the biggest smile on this bike if you just ride short distances.
I have the XDiavel S for 3 years now, and I have to say it's not an easy bike to ride. Specially if you live near the alps in Switzerland full of sharp turn up or downwards. You really need to have some good technick to ride it which I had to develop (and god knows I don't master it yet). I agree is not the most practical bike but I never had a single problem with the posture which I find totaly comfortable. I have the default exhaust and it's true it's not the loudest one but for this country it's better like that otherwise wouldn't be approved for riding and people would complain. I already had a 40 years old lady asking me to turn the engine off as I was preparing my GPS...
This bike is for cruising down the Tiber and peeling off to the Piazza Navona for an Espresso, not down Snake Pass for a pint; at which it would be excellent.........IN RED! My mate does just that on his......loves it......so definitely ‘horses for courses’. Good honest review!
Having owned one for 3 years I agree on some points. Pot holes transmit major shock to ones back. Riding in the rain destroys the confidence inspiring handling, I put this down to the riding position and part worn rear tyre. You do get a different rear seat and sissy bar for pillion use which you failed to mention. I’ve never run wide into fast corners but do find small roundabouts interesting as the wide bars go so far away! Cleaning not the easiest bike, especially Matt black. Worn tyres make big difference to ease at which the bike tips in. Fresh rubber on mine transformed it. I find exhaust plenty loud enough when winding on power above 6k rpm, variable valves must come into play! Good review tho TMF think you should have got the use of one in the summer though as better weather is where it really performs. Keep up good work.
Feet forward riding position is the best thing ever! Strange that it would feel uncomfortable... It's when my legs are bent backwards that they cramp up after an hour or so of riding. Perhaps it's because of the ergonomics of the thing; when a manufacturer is so specialised in high performance machines, it would be hard pressed to build a relaxed cruiser. Same thing with BMW cruisers, the huge cylinder blocks sticking out on either side (namely the new R18) make it impossible to have forward controls. Which is a real deal breaker for most of the cruiser fraternity...
I have enjoyed these videos, I must say I own an xdiavel s and as yet have never had back issues when on long rides etc! The feet forward defo took some getting used but for Sunday rides what I do it is soooooo comfortable and great to chill on or blast!
Had a good look at one of these incredible machines in Wheels Honda Leicester yesterday. Unbelievably huge back tyre...bigger than my Peugeot 106 diesel tyre. If I had a larger garage and a bit of money in the bank I would be very interested in one.....
I don't think its the feet forward alone, its a combination of the feet forward and the handlebars. If both are set forward, its a killer for the back really (you sit like a U). I changed to mid controls on the xdiavel and man it makes a world of difference. I can ride it all day long.
Very interesting review, thank you for that! I was wondering about something - you emphasized your dislike for the forward controls (we're on the same page in that regard). From that I guess you haven't spent much time on heavy cruisers and when I think of other reviews and opinions on the Diavel's handling I remember them to be quite enthusiastic - especially seasoned "feet forward guys" described the Ducati as a "sportsy" bike like experience for them. Could it be that the "going wide on some corners" roots more in your not being used to this kind of bike or does it really stiffen up in an unnatural way (read: way too much) at higher speeds? Thanks again for all your hard work, Michael
As an owner of a 2017 model I agree with most of this but the comfort. Its the most comfortable bike I've ridden (been on quite a few), this might be down to height? I'm 6'3. I also carry my gf on the back sometimes and she complains that its very uncomfortable after 30 mins.
More often than not, I agree with your reviews. One look at this bike and it yells “gorgeous”. Upon closer review it screams “impracticality”. So there you go, gonna have to pay closer attention to your reviews to find disagreements. TMF scores a win again. 👍🏼
I heard an XD owner say rear brakes wear fast, belt cover makes it easy for belt to get damaged. Can you get off the cool factor? Get to the maintenance, etc. 3 times you say it's coo0l? Compare to how Divael rides, too.,
A VERY HONEST REVIEW! Thank you TMF. But lets be clear on this, it's not an honest review because of a few (possibly) negative constructive criticisms which can sometimes over shadow a review. Over time it's become very obvious from existing owners where the short comings are, as well as the positive!
Interestingly there have been quite a lot of comments from owners agreeing with my summary! It is only my opinion of course and I'm no more of an expert than anyone else. Thanks for watching and for stopping by....
william smith because he likes the bike.. just because tmf isn’t blown away by it, that doesn’t mean everyone won’t be. tmf gave an honest opinion on what he thought were negatives... an opinion is a personal thing.. it doesn’t make him right. if we were all to ride what we’re told on youtube, you’d probably only see a handful of different bikes on the road.
@@andyjackson5 Hi Andy. I think we are exploring here the madness of love. William thinks he loves the bike. Sounds like he may not have actually ridden it, perhaps he will tell us?
All well and good but when are we going to see your Rocket 3 review? Took the R out last week and it has a very naughty engine! GT next week but would love to hear your opinions of it.
Diavel looks cool, I do quite like it. To me the Rocket 3 looks cooler . All of these types of bike, it's the manual handling weight I find intimidating. I find pushing around my ( 215 Kg wet) Speed Twin enough of a slog, I quite like the lightness of my ( 187 kg wet ) Street Triple 660cc . I miss pushing around my 126 Kg CB125R ! That was easy. However I've got to get me a test ride on at least a Rocket 3 ...
Bit late to the party, but I have 10 mins to waste Great review, fast, tactful and no faff. I don't agree with some points but do with most of it. That's just an "each to their own" thing. I've had the Diavel and now have the X Diavel. The Diavel embarrassingly blew it's engine up on the Cadnam on slip of the M27 after I'd just obnoxiously overtaken another biker at the roundabout before it. It only had 10,000 miles on it. Ducati were good about it and I ended up on the X. I've now had that for 29,000 miles and it's been the most reliable Ducati of the 3 I've owned. Make of that, what you will 😜. (The other was a multistrada which was a pain but great when it didn't have a warning on the dash). I don't get the bad back and have done a number of european trips (Alps, Pyrenees, Pecos etc.) With 3 and 400 mile days no bother. I also don't get wet up the back but I run mine with the little sissy bar on it, wonder if that's shielding me? As far as cornering goes, I would understeer early days, then had a bloke monkey with the suspension settings and all of a sudden I was happily pushing the inside bar a bit harder and grinding pegs with a big grin on my chops. Oh and if you squint at the backlit switchgear, the ones on the left make an X shape and the ones on the right make a sort of lower case d (or is it an exclamation mark?). Thanks TMF
Great review as usual. I am an older guy Who has only started riding 12 months ago. I am currently riding a new learner legal Ducati Monster here in Australia and am looking to move to something more powerful. The Xdiavel has always appealed but maybe is too much bike for a newby (but sensible) rider. The alternative is a Multistrada 950s although I have no interest in off road adventure riding. I do most riding around town and short trips but am planning some longer touring type rides all on bitumen. Thoughts?
Yet another excellent honest review. The bike will appeal to the cruising fraternity I'm sure but it wouldn't have been for me. I would imagine that standing is either impossible or downright dangerous and that would take away a lot of the pleasure I used to get from more normally pegged machines. Roll on the Rocket 3!!
Good point regarding the seating position and putting weight on your lower back and Coccyx. I always thought that position would be comfy but makes sense now you’ve explained. They do look beasts on the road. Only seen one though. Keep up the honest reviews. 👍
great review, you captured the good and bad spot on. I liken riding my X to surfing a point break, wildly exhilarating! and a little scary all at the same time. I will be installing the mid-mount pegs. Trail breaking right to the apex certainly helps keep a tighter line in the twisties with the rake and longer wheelbase of this bike. I can relate to your but clenching moment. Keep up the great work.
My very first thought was who picked out that color geeez. You couldn’t give me that bike in that color. While I love the looks and styling, I’d never be able to ride it with those front controls. If Ducati is listening, fix a few things people are complaining about and you’ll have a near perfect bike. Oh yea and I’m a Harley owner.
if you give a Road Glide or Indian Chalanger a ride through some twistys that Diavel will feel like a Street Triple .. SEriously be careful trying the bigger baggers if you arent used to them ..The rules of momentum and finding a line are quite different at 900 or 1000 pounds ... THey are a very different cup of tea :)
I know I’ve mentioned it before and I don’t want to bang on to much but you really need to try some of the little 250 2 strokes. I had an RGV 250 and it was the most fun I’ve ever had on any bike. Utter 250 stroker on the twisty’s heaven. Big bikes just don’t compare. Very light 2 stroke power band fun. Please review some of those bikes. I think you’d have an absolute blast. It’s probably not too easy for you to get hold of these bikes so whatever. But reviewing some old classics might boost the channel? I dunno. Love your stuff anyways 👍🏻
Very pretty bike, but I have no use for a “bar hopper/pub crawler”. If I am going to be uncomfortable after an hour I would prefer it to be on a track. On public roads my old bones prefer a bit of comfort. Great review TMF! Peace!
Just had a good look at the new red 1260s Diavel at the motorcycle show in London, it looks lush. I wonder how different they are? The 1260 geometry is quite different at the front with the rake to give better handling. Do you think Ducati would lend you one for a comparison?😎
I had one when the diavel first came out and you could never find neutral on that so nothing changed there also cost me £650 for new dash screen as old one failed just out of warranty hence i didnt buy another ducati and don`t think i will in the future.
If I owned Ducati, who ever decided to paint a bike in grey primer and then offer it for sale as is, would no longer be in my employ...... absolutely horrendous!
A lot of car manufacturers are offering non-metallic greys. In this case, it does look as it if had been plastidipped. Thankfully they offer other colors.
great review.. but in all honesty I don't like the see the LED switch gear on all bikes.. it just adds another thing to the bikes to increase the price tags
I’ve owned an xDiavel S since first launched and am still very much in love with the bike. I frequently ride the bike between the UK and Valencia, normally covering the trip across Spain in one hit. I don’t have any issue with forward pegs or a bad back, although my backside gets a tad uncomfortable in the final few hours (normal on any bike). The Termi exhaust system will give you more noise than you’ll know what to do with.
And on a final note, too many people comment here, knowing nothing about this bike or ever owning one!
I’m about to make a 700-800 mile trip from Northern California to Portland Oregon and back and seeing your comment has me reassured I got this!!!! All for the “TERMI!”
@@domburney7 how was the comfort of your trip?
May i ask how reliable is it .. found a 2016 xdiavel s for good price and diavel 1260 2019 i dont know which one to pick
I agree 1000%
@@saituo take the X!!!! I had an Diavel and now I am very happy with x . It is one of a kind. Best sitting postion
An admirably honest review and conclusion. A very rare thing on TH-cam.
Thank you Ewen, I’m no expert it’s just my opinion, and this one wasn’t for me....
@@TheMissendenFlyer As you're a Ducati fan-boy I was surprised by your relatively negative conclusion. I also respect your honesty. I hope Ducati do as well.
Ewen Bruce
@@TheMissendenFlyer I think you're probably more of a expert by now than quite a few 'proper' motoring journalists.
Spot on Ewen well said mate
Stands beside 18ft high bike - "It's not intimidating"
Did it make you say that?
Blink twice for yes...
Have just sold my Diavel Carbon White after two years of ownership and I, like you, found that on the throttle in corners the front end was looking to drift wide.
After an hour or so the riding position coupled with the vibration was doing my back in. But I am an old git!
It’s a hefty old price for the X but one like mine you would get for less than half of the twenty grand they’re asking.
Can’t disagree with your review as an honest opinion though.
Glad we concur Ken - and here was me thinking we were going to scrap over this one!
Did wonder if you were going to ride your Diavel on an epic road trip to GC.
Banditmanuk That was an initial plan but decided against it as I’d probably have found myself wrapped around some Armco!
I’m here just now organising for the move in April.
Nice little mid-range bike is ideal for here as you know!!
@@kennethmccurdie5833 Ha ha, back on the CBF then? Hope you are enjoying retirement
Banditmanuk Last day of working is the 27th of next month, but it won’t come too soon.
Bang on conclusion and precisely why I backed out of both the Diavel and the new Rocket: once the novelty has worn off, you’re basically left with a very expensive garage ornament.
That description could apply to all the custom cruiser style bikes or even motorcycles in general these days.
Paul, you're missing out ! While I haven't been on the X Diavel I do own a Diavel 1260 . The diavel line has been a homerun for Ducati. And review after review on the Internet indicates that. Everyone loves the power and comfort of these bikes. Lastly I have owned cruisers and sportsbikes and my Diavel is truly my favorite. Go on a demo one of these days
This is the xDiavel which is a totally different beast to the Diavel 1260. Take a look at Jaret Campisi's Diavel 1260s review.
As an XDiavel owner it's hard to disagree with most of your points except for what you say about the handling. I have never run wide in corners on mine. Nor had issues with tramlining. This bike will out corner any cruiser on the market including the Rocket 3. It sounds and rides like an absolute beast with the termi exhaust. But without it, it looks like Rambo but sounds like Frodo.
Well I’m not used to riding cruisers so it’s probably just down to me - I know in the right hands they do handle, but as someone used to a more conventional position I struggled a little. Glad we concur on the other points! Thanks for watching....
I'm with you Mike, I have a Diavel 1260 and these bikes handle incredibly well. I still appreciate a good review and this was a good one none the less.
I've had mine about 6 months and as much as I loved it it killed my back after a few hours! I started having doubts and remorse . However I fitted the rearset controls (right under your hips, not the mid set) and an extra high seat. I cannot overstate how much it has transformed the whole experience, now it's a masterpiece. I think TMF comments are valid but change the set up and it's a completely different machine. I have fallen in love with it again and would definitely recommend but the rear set controls and extra high seat are essential.
Good news k! Would love a go with mid set pegs...
@@TheMissendenFlyer rear set! The mid set are only 40mm back.
I stand corrected!
If you're ever in the new forest your welcome to have a go, we have beautiful routes around here
Im glad I'm not the only one who thinks this bike is hard to ride after an hour or so, I keep thinking of putting the mid pegs on and an aftermarket seat to get rid of some of the pain. The 2016 rocket 3 roadster is night and day when it comes to touring comfort.
Love my Xdiavel S and for me the seating position is perfect. I had much more pain on long rides with my Bmw R1200R.... very individual as you said.
One of the downsides with belt drive is the 10-15% (depending on the setup) power los, while a chain only has 1-4%. It's also much more expensive. But a lot less work to maintain.
Belt drives are quieter and that may be the reason for their use. Environmental laws regulate sound and once they quiet the engine the chain can become very noisy at high revs. I hears this is why HD began using belts on some models.
@@anthonyrosa5006 That's interesting. I didn't know that. I never even thought about the noise level of a chain, but it makes sense. An old chain often is stretched unevenly, and will smack the swingarm as it tensioning. At high speeds, that is a lot of times per minute and a lot of energy.
I have owned both the diavel (chain drive) and the X diavel (belt). And really, honestly, in the real world that % loss is just a statistic. I know the bikes engines are set up differently but believe me, you don't miss those %'s
@@dimsandwich Was there a difference in town riding between them? Like slow traffic splitting? I've never rode belt and I'm looking for the smoothest setup. My MT09 was horrible in traffic
Spot on, the only genuinely accurate review to date. I stated the reasons my mate and I I sold my Diavel and his XDiavel in your initial review so wont repeat, but will say we changed exhausts because they are so tame for such a bike and fitted tail tidies which puts the number plate under the back of the seat so cured (ish) the wet back problem. Word of warning though, illegal sized plates must be used or the indicators / stop lights are obscured! I own several feet forward cruisers, Harleys, Victory, Indian etc and can honestly tell you the only one that is comfortable on long rides is the Yamaha 1700 Warrior. It is fast too, mine has the same size rear wheel as it's a Custom and is as long but handles far better. The brakes are brilliant too (R1 derived front end). Much cheaper than all competitors despite being MUCH better, MT-01 based engine so will last forever so try one before spending a fortune.
Hi Paul, I too owned a Warrior and do not feel it can compare to a Diavel. If your only looking at price, a Warrior is an awesome bike. But, lets talk about all the technology, the looks and the fact that the Warrior isn't even being made anymore. I rather pay 10k for a used Diavel 1260 than 6k for a used Warrior...No comparison!
Cruiser back! I had a 2006 Wide Glide Harley Davidson for six years, beautiful bike but bad back after a while and in the wind you find yourself pulling forward so aching neck and arms. Back on ordinary normal bikes now, don't feel as cool but can ride all day and enjoy the ride.
I bought a 2021 XDivel Dark, I've just broken it in with 1,600 mi. I wasn't in the market for a bike until I saw a picture of this bike on the internet and fell in love with it. I'm 62 and have had Harley's since 19 my first was a 68 FLH stripped, I've had suicide shift choppers, and a new 1990 Fat Boy... I absolutely love this Ducati and have nothing bad to say about it....
That's great news - enjoy!
@TheMissendenFlyer - Tyre pressures are vitally important on the Diavel. I run my Diavel at 42 psi R and 40 psi F. If you still have the bike try these pressures and see what a difference it makes to the handling. My Diavel can be flicked around through tight bends (as many riders around here have remarked).
Spot on - if you fall into the mid 30s with the pressure the bike wants to stand back up in turns. Higher pressure lets the bike fall nicely into the corners.
I owned a standard Diavel, back in 2011, just after they came out. Interesting to hear, you've got the same views about the X Diavel that I had with my standard bike. Got rid of it after 18 months and 2000 miles on the clock. While another bike I had did 2000 miles in 4 days!!! Great rounded review as ever, keep up the good work.
Cheers Rob - came looking for you on the Honda stand on Sunday but couldn't see you??
@@TheMissendenFlyer I was running the Rolling road Africa Twin DCT demo all weekend.....When the bike had a cool down I had a quick break from the stand.
I watch your review and decided that your negatives were not a problem for me so I went and put down a deposit on one today. I have always loved big heavy bikes and am the proud owner of an 04 Rocket 111, which I have had for just over 6 years now. Spent way too much money on her and we will never be parted, K&N air filters, full Maxton suspension front and rear, Dave Platt outlaw exhaust and more little things than I can even remember.
I was looking for something just for me that was a bit more manageable, if I want to go two up I will use the Rocket. This bike was a steal at £14,999 brand new from Riders out of Bridgewater. Could not help myself, didn't even need a test ride as I tested a Diavel last year and loved the engine and sitting on this I new it was perfect for me. I am 6 foot 3 and big with it:) Can't wait for my first ride on her, just hope my Rocket doesn't get too jealous!
Refreshing to hear such detail and honesty from a foundation of knowledge in a bike review. A different review from all others.
Thank you!
I’m taller and older yet I find the X- diavel one of the finest bikes I have every ridden. Yes I had pains in my back when I first started riding one, yet over time the pain has passed away. If you want your feet to be in the middle get the Diavel but I like the feet forward that’s the whole point of the bike, it’s a cruiser not a muscle, café racer or enduro and it does a very good job of being a sport cruiser.
Why more bikes don't use belt drive is a mystery to me. Mine (BMW F650CS) needs no maintenance at all and as I ride every day through winter it makes a massive difference for little power offset.
Another excellent review with a nice twist: you sitting on the bike. Since I'm 5'7" with a 30" inseam it gives me a real appreciation for the riding position. It really hits home seeing the feet forward, shoulders slightly forward position rather than if you just said your feet are forward and that causes back pain after a while. Thanks.
I love the honesty backed up with legitimate feelings and concerns. You’re the man TMF.
Thank you!
Great honest review, exactly what we want to hear, the good and the bad!
Have this exact bike and all the comments are spot on. You have however been plagued with terrible weather not suited to the bike so hope you have a chance to review in the dry as it’s a top banana bike in the dry
Yes not a great time of year for this type of bike - agreed!
I bought my XDiavel back in 2016. I had to fit mid peg controls, Termi exhaust, Nitron R2 rear shock and Rapid Bike evo. I suspect that if you rode my bike you would have loved it. Took it around the Nurburgring and it was great
Yes quite possibly - thanks for watching...
Yep, your review confirms my preconceptions. Not a bike for me. Thanks for the honest review - a valuable resource.
As a fairly recent "standard" Diavel "Dark" owner, I agree totally with your conclusion, with the "X" version sharing many of the negatives of the standard one that I had. I would add another negative, which is the non-existent front mudguard - I mean.......what is the point of that!?
With hindsight I bought mine with my heart rather than my head and was rather seduced by the Diavel's stunning (in my opinion) looks. However, after the honeymoon period reality and doubts soon crept in.
I found the seat uncomfortable after about 45 minutes, with no room to move around when your rear-end goes numb, the engine vibes were very noticeable and obtrusive. Also, like you, I could never find neutral gear when the bike was stationary and I spent all my time going up-down up-down between 1st and 2nd....that very soon became a real pain. I thought it would get better as the mileage increased, but it didn't. For me, handling was also an issue, with that big back tyre deciding where it was taking you rather than vice-versa. I mentioned the lack of front mudguard - it would throw all the road crud straight at the front of the engine and in through the radiator grilles, where it is impossible to clean without taking things apart. All in all, a fantastic looking bike.......BUT!!
After 6 months I sold the Diavel and got a Yamaha FJR1300AE, which was the opposite to the Diavel (i.e. better) in almost every respect.
I would be interested to hear your view of the newer diavel 1260 compared to this.
Bloody hell T shirt time in this cold ol weather! You bloody hero!
It was a rare sunny winters day!
Ha! Was thinking the same thing what a dude.
great honest and personal review tmf. that said it shouldn’t put anyone off buying one.. just make them aware of the little things that reviewers don’t always tell you. motorbikes are very personal things.. each to their own and all that. keep up the good work 👍🏻
Yes I agree - these are only my opinions and I’m no more right than the next person!
I've been looking forward to this review for ages, thank you, I agree with everything you say, 100% spot on. But Ducati have a secret room no one knows about and when the bike's built, they wheel it in there and breathe fire into it, I've just bought one and I LOVE it, I'm proud to own it and ride it, I have other bikes too but I think you buy it with your heart and not your head. Ps, mine came with a VERY loud exhaust 😊🙈, cheers.
Glad we concur Jonathan and glad you’re enjoying the bike - I agree and think all bikes should be heart purchases!
Great review on the bike. Being an owner of an Xdiavel I do agree with some of the cons you said. All these items you noted can be corrected. You just have to spend money to a new motorcycle. With the weight ratio to a power cruiser from Ducati noting compares.
Its refreshing to hear someone actually tell the truth for a change. Congratulations sir you have earned my respect, that is something that can not be purchased. Keep it up sir... I will be watching.... :)
Thank you Jon, I do try and be honest in all my reviews - it is only my opinion though of course and I’m not saying mine is any more valid than anyone else’s.
Thank you for an honest review. I'm a Ducati fan but comfort and ride-ability come first.
Honestly Xdiavels are mainly for fun, stay away from this bike if you want comfort. But let me just say you'll have the biggest smile on this bike if you just ride short distances.
I have the XDiavel S for 3 years now, and I have to say it's not an easy bike to ride. Specially if you live near the alps in Switzerland full of sharp turn up or downwards. You really need to have some good technick to ride it which I had to develop (and god knows I don't master it yet). I agree is not the most practical bike but I never had a single problem with the posture which I find totaly comfortable. I have the default exhaust and it's true it's not the loudest one but for this country it's better like that otherwise wouldn't be approved for riding and people would complain. I already had a 40 years old lady asking me to turn the engine off as I was preparing my GPS...
This bike is for cruising down the Tiber and peeling off to the Piazza Navona for an Espresso, not down Snake Pass for a pint; at which it would be excellent.........IN RED! My mate does just that on his......loves it......so definitely ‘horses for courses’. Good honest review!
100% - For expert riders I’m sure it’s great, just not for me....
TheMissendenFlyer me neither, and I’ve been riding since I was 13 (47 years).
More this type of review Please. This is real truth talk. Appreciate it.
Having owned one for 3 years I agree on some points.
Pot holes transmit major shock to ones back.
Riding in the rain destroys the confidence inspiring handling, I put this down to the riding position and part worn rear tyre.
You do get a different rear seat and sissy bar for pillion use which you failed to mention.
I’ve never run wide into fast corners but do find small roundabouts interesting as the wide bars go so far away!
Cleaning not the easiest bike, especially Matt black.
Worn tyres make big difference to ease at which the bike tips in. Fresh rubber on mine transformed it.
I find exhaust plenty loud enough when winding on power above 6k rpm, variable valves must come into play!
Good review tho TMF think you should have got the use of one in the summer though as better weather is where it really performs.
Keep up good work.
Thank you Andy!
Feet forward riding position is the best thing ever! Strange that it would feel uncomfortable... It's when my legs are bent backwards that they cramp up after an hour or so of riding. Perhaps it's because of the ergonomics of the thing; when a manufacturer is so specialised in high performance machines, it would be hard pressed to build a relaxed cruiser. Same thing with BMW cruisers, the huge cylinder blocks sticking out on either side (namely the new R18) make it impossible to have forward controls. Which is a real deal breaker for most of the cruiser fraternity...
...it would make me more likely to have one! Oh well, we cant all like the same things can we....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Rings true that olde saying about meat and poison eh?! Haha!
Hey MissendenFlyer. It's kids, hope you're well
Glad to see Andy can't be bought, even after a months loan of a top of the range Ducati. Refreshing.
I have enjoyed these videos, I must say I own an xdiavel s and as yet have never had back issues when on long rides etc! The feet forward defo took some getting used but for Sunday rides what I do it is soooooo comfortable and great to chill on or blast!
Glad to hear it - I guess we can't all like the same stuff, just not for me this one....
Really a quality review Mr Flyer! Cheers and have a great weekend!
Thanks Rutger - you too!
Had a good look at one of these incredible machines in Wheels Honda Leicester yesterday. Unbelievably huge back tyre...bigger than my Peugeot 106 diesel tyre. If I had a larger garage and a bit of money in the bank I would be very interested in one.....
excellent honest review - that's why I watch your channel!
Ducatis actually always been my favorite
Gotta love Ducati's!
I’ve always thought “feet forward” type bikes would be bad for my back...
And they truly Are......Makes you slouch.
I don't think its the feet forward alone, its a combination of the feet forward and the handlebars. If both are set forward, its a killer for the back really (you sit like a U). I changed to mid controls on the xdiavel and man it makes a world of difference. I can ride it all day long.
Very interesting review, thank you for that! I was wondering about something - you emphasized your dislike for the forward controls (we're on the same page in that regard). From that I guess you haven't spent much time on heavy cruisers and when I think of other reviews and opinions on the Diavel's handling I remember them to be quite enthusiastic - especially seasoned "feet forward guys" described the Ducati as a "sportsy" bike like experience for them. Could it be that the "going wide on some corners" roots more in your not being used to this kind of bike or does it really stiffen up in an unnatural way (read: way too much) at higher speeds? Thanks again for all your hard work, Michael
Yes I think you could well be right Michael.
Great review, chap and congratulations on the 150k subscribers!
Thank you for noticing!
As an owner of a 2017 model I agree with most of this but the comfort. Its the most comfortable bike I've ridden (been on quite a few), this might be down to height? I'm 6'3. I also carry my gf on the back sometimes and she complains that its very uncomfortable after 30 mins.
Yes maybe it's a height thing - I'm a shorty compared to you....
These long term reviews are really good
Thank you....
More often than not, I agree with your reviews. One look at this bike and it yells “gorgeous”. Upon closer review it screams “impracticality”. So there you go, gonna have to pay closer attention to your reviews to find disagreements. TMF scores a win again. 👍🏼
Thank you Bradley!
I have already bought one without driving it it will be dilvert in November I hope it will be fit
I'm a primary school teacher and nowadays I say to my kids "stick around and stay tuned" after telling them what we're learning today
Nice!
I wonder where you got that from? LOL
I heard an XD owner say rear brakes wear fast, belt cover makes it easy for belt to get damaged. Can you get off the cool factor? Get to the maintenance, etc. 3 times you say it's coo0l? Compare to how Divael rides, too.,
It’s a sunny day bike. You hit the nail on the head TMF 👍
Excellent review: comprehensive and above all honest. Thanks TMF 👍
Great review....do you have one for the Diavel of the non-X type?
A VERY HONEST REVIEW! Thank you TMF. But lets be clear on this, it's not an honest review because of a few (possibly) negative constructive criticisms which can sometimes over shadow a review. Over time it's become very obvious from existing owners where the short comings are, as well as the positive!
Interestingly there have been quite a lot of comments from owners agreeing with my summary! It is only my opinion of course and I'm no more of an expert than anyone else. Thanks for watching and for stopping by....
I want and need this with every fibre of my being 😂
But why ? Did you not just watch the review ? Are your eyes painted on ??
william smith because he likes the bike.. just because tmf isn’t blown away by it, that doesn’t mean everyone won’t be. tmf gave an honest opinion on what he thought were negatives... an opinion is a personal thing.. it doesn’t make him right. if we were all to ride what we’re told on youtube, you’d probably only see a handful of different bikes on the road.
@@andyjackson5 Hi Andy. I think we are exploring here the madness of love. William thinks he loves the bike. Sounds like he may not have actually ridden it, perhaps he will tell us?
How many horsepower does this one have?
Is there a difference between xdiavel S and this one?
There is a reason these things are "rare"....... fair play to you for the honest appraisal
I would never buy a Ducati......don't trust the reliability. But godddamn they are works of art!
Mine has been very reliable (899 Panigale) - I love them!
Excellent review I appreciate your honesty and straightforward approach...
Thank you!
Good honest review. Look forward to your thoughts on the new Rocket 3 now you've ridden the XDiavel.
Stay tuned!
Would the standard diavel (not the X) actually be better in this case?
Possibly....
All well and good but when are we going to see your Rocket 3 review? Took the R out last week and it has a very naughty engine! GT next week but would love to hear your opinions of it.
I’m working on it! Stay tuned!
Diavel looks cool, I do quite like it. To me the Rocket 3 looks cooler .
All of these types of bike, it's the manual handling weight I find intimidating.
I find pushing around my ( 215 Kg wet) Speed Twin enough of a slog, I quite like the lightness of my ( 187 kg wet ) Street Triple 660cc . I miss pushing around my 126 Kg CB125R ! That was easy.
However I've got to get me a test ride on at least a Rocket 3 ...
Any chance at a similar video for the new Triumph Rocket 3?
Coming soon! Stay tuned....
Very honest and concise review
Bit late to the party, but I have 10 mins to waste Great review, fast, tactful and no faff. I don't agree with some points but do with most of it. That's just an "each to their own" thing. I've had the Diavel and now have the X Diavel. The Diavel embarrassingly blew it's engine up on the Cadnam on slip of the M27 after I'd just obnoxiously overtaken another biker at the roundabout before it. It only had 10,000 miles on it. Ducati were good about it and I ended up on the X. I've now had that for 29,000 miles and it's been the most reliable Ducati of the 3 I've owned. Make of that, what you will 😜. (The other was a multistrada which was a pain but great when it didn't have a warning on the dash). I don't get the bad back and have done a number of european trips (Alps, Pyrenees, Pecos etc.) With 3 and 400 mile days no bother. I also don't get wet up the back but I run mine with the little sissy bar on it, wonder if that's shielding me?
As far as cornering goes, I would understeer early days, then had a bloke monkey with the suspension settings and all of a sudden I was happily pushing the inside bar a bit harder and grinding pegs with a big grin on my chops.
Oh and if you squint at the backlit switchgear, the ones on the left make an X shape and the ones on the right make a sort of lower case d (or is it an exclamation mark?). Thanks TMF
Cool!
I had the same issue with my back. Good for a short time ride 👍🏻
Glad it wasn't just me!
Nice honest review - well done!
Great review as usual. I am an older guy Who has only started riding 12 months ago. I am currently riding a new learner legal Ducati Monster here in Australia and am looking to move to something more powerful. The Xdiavel has always appealed but maybe is too much bike for a newby (but sensible) rider. The alternative is a Multistrada 950s although I have no interest in off road adventure riding. I do most riding around town and short trips but am planning some longer touring type rides all on bitumen. Thoughts?
Touring not good in this position IMO - short rides fine
Yet another excellent honest review. The bike will appeal to the cruising fraternity I'm sure but it wouldn't have been for me. I would imagine that standing is either impossible or downright dangerous and that would take away a lot of the pleasure I used to get from more normally pegged machines. Roll on the Rocket 3!!
Good point regarding the seating position and putting weight on your lower back and Coccyx. I always thought that position would be comfy but makes sense now you’ve explained. They do look beasts on the road. Only seen one though. Keep up the honest reviews. 👍
Will try my best! Thanks for watching....
U've rode a rocket and diavel which is btr? We are dying to know...
For me the Rocket by a country mile....
Easy solution for back pain just get the diavel and not the X diavel . I’ve the S version in black the pegs are in the normal place no problems!!!!
Yes I would be curious to have a ride on one of those, thanks for watching!
great review, you captured the good and bad spot on. I liken riding my X to surfing a point break, wildly exhilarating! and a little scary all at the same time. I will be installing the mid-mount pegs. Trail breaking right to the apex certainly helps keep a tighter line in the twisties with the rake and longer wheelbase of this bike. I can relate to your but clenching moment. Keep up the great work.
Cheers Peter!
My very first thought was who picked out that color geeez. You couldn’t give me that bike in that color. While I love the looks and styling, I’d never be able to ride it with those front controls. If Ducati is listening, fix a few things people are complaining about and you’ll have a near perfect bike. Oh yea and I’m a Harley owner.
It would be great if you could test an X-Diavel with mid-controls.
I’d like a go on one I must say - could possibly transform the bike for me...
if you give a Road Glide or Indian Chalanger a ride through some twistys that Diavel will feel like a Street Triple .. SEriously be careful trying the bigger baggers if you arent used to them ..The rules of momentum and finding a line are quite different at 900 or 1000 pounds ... THey are a very different cup of tea :)
Duly noted!
That color is awesome! I love my XDiavel. But this color is 🔥
I'm not sure I;m a fan on this particular bike.....
I know I’ve mentioned it before and I don’t want to bang on to much but you really need to try some of the little 250 2 strokes. I had an RGV 250 and it was the most fun I’ve ever had on any bike. Utter 250 stroker on the twisty’s heaven. Big bikes just don’t compare. Very light 2 stroke power band fun. Please review some of those bikes. I think you’d have an absolute blast.
It’s probably not too easy for you to get hold of these bikes so whatever. But reviewing some old classics might boost the channel?
I dunno.
Love your stuff anyways 👍🏻
Thank you, as always, for your honest review.
Very pretty bike, but I have no use for a “bar hopper/pub crawler”. If I am going to be uncomfortable after an hour I would prefer it to be on a track. On public roads my old bones prefer a bit of comfort. Great review TMF!
Peace!
Just had a good look at the new red 1260s Diavel at the motorcycle show in London, it looks lush. I wonder how different they are? The 1260 geometry is quite different at the front with the rake to give better handling. Do you think Ducati would lend you one for a comparison?😎
Dunno!
I had one when the diavel first came out and you could never find neutral on that so nothing changed there also cost me £650 for new dash screen as old one failed just out of warranty hence i didnt buy another ducati and don`t think i will in the future.
I hate mid set pegs. I love how XDiavel pegs are!!! I love my XDiavel S.
Do you have the Termi on your XD?
Love the XDiavel, but what kind of paintjob is that?
It’s not thaaaat bad is it!?
@@TheMissendenFlyer It takes some getting used to. On the other hand, always black is also boring, so why not try something different...
Actually Ducati gloss red is my favourite on these....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Mine too, actually!
If I owned Ducati, who ever decided to paint a bike in grey primer and then offer it for sale as is, would no longer be in my employ...... absolutely horrendous!
A lot of car manufacturers are offering non-metallic greys. In this case, it does look as it if had been plastidipped. Thankfully they offer other colors.
supposedly from what i heard belt drive motorcycle gets less Hp to the wheel then chains. correct me if im wrong.
I think you’re probably right...
As a newbie and after riding my Kawasaki Vulcan S, I must admit that every bike is intimidating!! Hahaha…
Agree. Options are limited considering the cost etc.
I must have watched at least 100 of your videos, which I truly enjoy, but please, please tell me what does TFT stand for?
Thin film transistor
Beat me to it!
Feet forward will give you herniated disc unless you’re built like a tank however it’s very very comfortable
great review.. but in all honesty I don't like the see the LED switch gear on all bikes.. it just adds another thing to the bikes to increase the price tags
Fab review as always thanks again 👀👍
Certainly looks impressive, quite tron. Ducati trying to do Harley-Davidson from your comments about ride and handling?
Excellent review!!
Thank you....
I prefer it to the rocket ! Looks so cool.i bet she goes like a beast !!