SHOSTAKOVICH Symphony No 4 in C minor op 43 Dir Valery Gergiev Orq Mariinsky theatre
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- VALERY GERGIEV - MUSICAL DIRECTOR AND CONDUCTOR
THE MARIINSKY ORCHESTRA AND CHORUS
1° DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2013 - DECEMBER 1th ,2013
TEATRO SALLE PLEYEL IN PARIS
of all of SHOSTAKOVICH's amazing symphonies number 4 is favorite one. What a musical and artistic conosor.
on another note SHOSTAKOVICH is the best composer, better than beethoven, mauler, or any of the other greats.
The most intriguing and expanding symphonic music. I never grow tired to it what so ever. No one, I mean, no one could have conducted such a symphony as well as Dir Valery Gergiew.
I am somewhat Classical fan, years ago I was big Contemporary/avant-garde listener, than I got tired of awkward and weird pieces and I turn towards the true classics. But they can be too mellow. I have no idea why Shostakovich was under my radar for so long, but I feel he is just the right amount of unpredictable/weird exploration and solid classical structure. Such a great splice of rhythms and melodies as well. It's a feast.
Had Stalin heard Shosta would have disappeared a few days later along with the entire brass section . Spectacular performance if one my all time favorite symphonies. Shosta was in his stride between symphony 4 through 8.
Эти последние такты произвели на меня одно из самых яркий музыкальных впечатлений.
В живую это слушается просто незабываемо…
1:01 Allegretto poco moderato
29:47 Moderato con moto
37:56 Largo - Allegretto
My impression is that Shostakovich plays with us. The fact is we come into his play or not.
One can say of many works, "That's a striking passage." But in this work there are nothing but striking passages.
ШОСТАКОВИЧ!!! Мой Шостакович. Автор сам снял премьеру...Потом исполнил Блажков...через 25 лет! ШОСТАКОВИЧ!!!
One of the greatest 20th century Symphonies,and also one of the most terrifying and dispiriting works in the entire repertoire,the coda of the finale is music without hope,beyond despair into an aching lifeless darkness!
It has very stiff competition for greatest; Shostakovich #5, Shostakovich #7, Shostakovich #10, Shostakovich #11 - shall I continue? Genius, through and through.
Creo que el régimen de Stalin no le dejó competir con nadie, cuando ves morir a la mitad de tu orquesta por el hambre , no creo que estuviera pensando en ninguna competencia, vas a ensayar y te falta un oboe, otro día te falta un trompeta.
Fue uno de los mejores genios musicales de la historia.
Escuchas 10 compases de Dimitri y sabes que se trata de una obra suya, su estilo es único.
The ending of this symphony is out of the world.
It's also entirely of this world...which is why it is so terrifying.
After such an ending I prefer to leave the concert hall without applause and in silence or not leave at all
Agree - hauntingly so1
@@---ul1yf Shostakovich suffered tremendously under Stalin and yet never made disparaging remarks about either his country or its rulers when he came to NYC in the early 1950's. Although the life of an artist under Stalin in Soviet-era Russia was certainly more fraught than is the case today, I imagine that Gergiev's reluctance to speak out about Ukraine is based on the same sense of vulnerability and fear that an artist of his calibre would feel under the authoritarian watch of Putin and his administrators in the cultural sector. I disagree with the West's treatment of Russian performers and sports figures. They are not to blame for the actions of their leaders - and to hold them accountable the way we have is, in my view, reactionary and counter-productive.
This symphony becomes a symbol of the current state of this world. Putin's friend conducts something that he probably doesn't understand philosophically.
Love the mad-man conductor. Very Shoshtakovian.
Superbly played, sublimely shattering music by one of the greatest masters of all time. I weep for Russia.
Don’t weep for mother Russia. She is winning!
Это Россия о всех скорбит. Не вы.
Every Monday and Thursday morning at around 8.30am, the National Environment of Agency of Singapore will send people with leaf blowers to wake me up. The incessant noise is terrible. So today when I was woken up again, I blasted this symphony, and it was so satisfying! 😅😅😅
haha. Good for you!
I hope you have big speakers like the Klipschorn!
Тревога Эпохи. в Музыке Шестоковича. !!!
I listen to a lot of classical music, I just don't know much about it. I think Gergiev is the only conductor I can name by sight.
Sheer genius ❤
私が聴いた中でベストの４番。ゲルギエフは素晴らしい。
For me, this is one of the best symphony in the catalogue of DS. Great conduction by Gergiev on this...
Please listen to 11 by sondergard,You will love it, I am not sure which is my favourite this one or 11 ,I found out 4 just today and listened to it 2 times already and it goes directly to my favourites playlist
I prefer Haitink with London Phil
This symphony is more spot-on than ever. Thanks Mr. Gerijev and sorry for the horrible treatment of yours in Germany earlier this year.
Not sorry for someone who supports such a regime. We will probably disagree, but I d not think being a musician or any kind of artist makes anybody above other considerations.
I disagree. Russian artists are not inherently responsible for their government's atrocities (if we say they are, then by the same standard, all American musicians should be sent to lifelong exile on St. Helena island). However, Gergiev himself is very very vocal about his support for Putin and the government's policy, so I can understand the desire to censure him in particular.
@@dsch0 "all American musicians should be sent to lifelong exile on St. Helena island" - huh? Why such an indictment?
@@sasha42196 I don't actually believe that! It is meant to reflect a double standard in the treatment of Russian artists, who have been censured and punished for the war against Ukraine regardless of their views, compared with American artists who are rarely held responsible for any of the countless wars of aggression the USA has waged in the past several decades. I don't think it's fair to hold artists personally responsible, in general. That said, Gergiev is a vocal supporter of Putin and has been for many years, so it is understandable why he might be blocked from performing in certain countries.
He was dismissed because he is a Putin sympathiser. Ironic really, considering much of Shostakovich's music was questioning the similar sort of leaders in charge during his time.
Beautifully recorded and great camera work. But, must the the hardest autographed baton to come by in history.
What a spectacular performance..Thank you! Already outstanding on their own, all musicians were "in The Zone", which is particularly important for the Master of Color that is D.S. Particularly blown away by the Bassoon, Violon, English Horn, and Piccolo soloists. I have listened to other performances by this group and conductor of Shostakovich (9th recently), and they don't come close to this. Bravo.
Музыкальный Гений.
ХХ1. Века !!!
Musica ideale per i film-thriller hollywoodiani, cosi' com'e'
How could anyone not like Gergiev's conducting. Most thing's he conducts is magnificent. This is outstanding. I love Shostakovich's work. Especially when Gergiev conducts them. He truly understands Shostakovich's work's. Thankyou so much for uploading this.
put him in front of a high school band and let's see if he can start them up. then we'll talk.
One can not like his conducting because it's perfunctory, sloppy and dull, for example.
@@dennisdeemii have a listen to this recording of Gergiev conducting Shostakovich 10th with the US National Youth Orchestra :) th-cam.com/video/fSJwP5dvzPg/w-d-xo.html
@@RobberZhi ???
He may understand Shostakovich's music, but his googly-eyed love for Vlad Putin makes him as a man the polar opposite of Shostakovich. That's problematic, since even the DSCH motif itself is an anti-Stalinist musical middle finger.
I've been searching this for an eternity ! Thank you very very much !!!
Should I read proust?
And you have now found an eternity of music!
Y muchos corazones dejaron de latir...(coda)
Como ocurre justo al final de la 15ª, donde se autocita en numerosas ocasiones.
Сыграли отлично. Если есть божий суд, то Гергиеву зачтется в плюс.
Interpretação magistral de uma obra genial. Por aqui se vê como o rigor de execução pode consorciar-se com a mais profunda emoção sem quebra do decoro profissional e elegância humana do conjunto
In today's perspective, this performance is a clash between establishment and anarchy.
This is a fantastic performance of a towering masterpiece of modern music. Deepest thanks to Gergiev, the performers and the spirit of Shosta. If one wanted to understand more about Russia under Stalin, this would be a perfect place to start, especially in the realm of what language cannot possibly express. (Debussy quote: "Music begins where language ends.")
Muslc begins where language ends
Великий шедевр классической музыки. Arcydzieło muzyki. A masterpiece.
56:39 to 58:48 Genius
O primeiro andamento é brutal. Experimentem correr duas versões ao mesmo tempo, com uns 10-12 segundos de desfasamento. Um espectáculo. O final do 3º andamento é magistral!
Валерий Абисалович
Достояние Нации. !!!
Бесспорно Великий музыкант
Маэстро в Серцевине Великой Русской Культуры но Валерий Абисалович Ещё Великий Осетин Осетинского Народа ! !!!
A masterly performance, of a symphony that is not always easy to interpret. I enjoyed this very much.
indeed , It's rare to take such an initiative and to achieve it properly , so this recording is precious
Mainly wanna hear for myself what scared Mista S. Didnt expect to experience the fear myself.
Ce chatoiement de sons, ce changement perpétuel de sons, de rythmes, de tonalités, exécutés avec brio, nous plongent dans un océan de plaisir .
nous plongent dans un océan de plaisir . very true and very poetic .... can I steal that line for one of my poems ...
@@pravemet4427 Im gonna use that line in a poem :-)
Magnificent !
好棒......謝謝
Unbelievable but true. This piece premiered a quarter of a century after it was written, according to Theodore van Houten's book Dmitri Sjostakovitsj, een leven in angst (a life in fear).
I don't know, but I would like to hear the last celesta note Bb2 instead of D3.
This may be a hot take but everyone takes this symphony way too seriously. It's not sad, nor personal; its not much at all to be frank. What it is, is a brilliant 1 hour experience of the most chaotic "anti music" played in a fun and unique way. We need to separate what Shostakovich wrote for the sake of music from what he wrote for the sake of much more, such as his 12th symphony vs his viola sonata. Both brilliant, but the 12th is just a refreshing catchy and seamless symphony, whilst the sonata is a truly dark yet intriguing take on his own mortality
Who is this unshaven genius who looks like he is homeless, and conducts like he is? In Valery Gergiev, Shostokovich has found a niche--just as Knappertsbusch ended up owning Bayreuth and Celibedache the Bruckner series.
BRAVO
Hoy el final de la cuarta me arranca con la madre llama de stalingrado arrodillada con la punta de su espada apoyada en el piso harta de tanta codicia sobre su tierra y levantandose caminando hacia europa lanzando fuego por su boca , rayos por los ojos y luz con su espada iluminando a los hijos fieles de todos los paises que quieren la paz de su regazo y a los otros dándoles oscuridad eterna
Gergiev and his toothpick
Hahahaha
I tend not to like Gergiev work, but this performance is just amazing. Thanks for sharing.
Why don't you like his work ?
How dare you
Presto yeah man!
Тимур Мартынов-1 Труба💐💐💐
Not my top Shosty symphony but the one I've been most fascinated to try and figure out -- since I saw Gergiev lead an open rehearsal of it nearly 30 years ago.
WOW ♥
666th like :D and yes, a fantastic performance of possibly my favourite of Shostakovich's smphonies. Fascinating to think where he might have gone musically were it not for the crackdown.
В никуда.
16:22 🤯🤯🤯🤯
What is the music that is played during the opening credits (when the line is drawing the face of Shostakovich)? I might expect it's something by Shostakovich, but I don't know what it is.
Что за музыка играет во вступительных титрах (когда линия рисует лицо Шостаковича)? Я мог бы ожидать, что это что-то из Шостаковича, но я не знаю, что это такое.
2nd movement Symphony No. 10 Shostakovich
@@francocastro4180 Thanks!
Yo me pongo un video de lanzamiento de soyuz con el final de la cuarta a todo lo que da y quedo manija por el resto del día , me sube la presión y todo , las imágenes y el sonido corresponden en tiempo y forma
Si Shostakovich hubiera visto un lanzamiento hubiera esgrimido las mismas notas
es verdad....minuto 56, 40 segundos en adelante ...inmenso poder , como la elevación del Soyuz hacia el Cosmos...muy emocionante de verdad...buen paralelismo entre la poderosa música y el poderio del Soyuz ...grande Sostakovich , grande el Soyuz ¡¡¡
GRANDE RUSSIA !!!!!!
Do any of the themes recur? Can someone point some of them for me please? (Movements 1 and 3)
Is the symphony that Stalin walked out approximately half way through????
Nope, this symphony was hidden from the public until after Stalin’s death. The piece you’re thinking about is probably Shostakovich’s opera Lady Macbeth of the Mtsensk District, which got him denounced for the first time
is the music used in the opening credits from the same symphony?
Introduction of the 2nd. movement from Shostakovich's 10th Symphony
@@francocastro4180 thanks !
The 4th movement quotes Oedipus Rex by Stravinsky. Possibly a cryptic dig at Stalin.
Stop about the toothpick guys, size doesn’t matter
And even if it does that toothpick is definitely average
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
このような名曲を発表すると命が脅かされるような体制には憤りを覚えます。
Alguien sabe a qué pieza pertenece el fragmento de la presentación?
2nd movement Symphony No. 10 Shostakovich
Si, yo lo sė
56:40 is my favorite part of the piece
minute 56, 40 ...yes, is sublime ...great music ¡¡¡¡
It's chilling when the theme at 57:42 returns. So effective
yeah, all the way tto the end from here is beyond words.
Did anyone hear Mahler in this symphony?
Of course. 2nd movement is just pure Mahler. And many more places .
I'm just being ignorant, but is there a tradition to direct with a toothpick?
the story goes that gergiev lost a bet and now solely conducts using a toothpick. typically conductors use a baton or sometimes just their hands
@@frogdogworm5963 This time a little more than his hands
It is just to avoid moving to nervously his hands
Beyond 1:02:52 I can't hear anything
Just soak yourself in the silence that follows its just deep ,very deep
What was the opening music with the credits?
The 2nd movement of Shostakovich's 10th Symphony.
Una simfonia de plena actualitat... qui diu el que pensa... el terror
I guess, I can understand, listening to this coda, where Pink Floyd got their sounds)
Субъективно в записи мало места скрипкам. Потелеснее бы их звук. Это любимая симфония одного из любимых композиторов.
I must compliment the audience--not a single cough.
1:00 is a good place to start.
17:18
1:00 Begins
Great, especially considering the Gergiev is conducting with a tooth pick :)
Maestro is obviously a minimalist conductor.
Olyan egyedülálló a dallamhordozása (ezt én találtam most ki), hogy bár tán csak egyszer hallgattam meg ezt a szimfóniáját (a 7-8-9-10-et többször is), messziről felismerném. Hogy ez hogy működik?
да нормальная!
please tell me he's not conducting with a toothpick.
Well... it´s... a... 🙈
@@charakter-etudenjohannesst8121 ahhaah drives me crazy. and he makes just under 10million a year. total bs.
@@dennisdeemii he conducts better with a toothpick than you would with a broomstick
Exactly, if your baton is small you are a bad conductor. Very logical
@@lucienr7931 leave them alone, they've no idea what the conductor is about.
スターリン進撃のテーマだな！
ぶっ潰してしまえ〜
42:35 56:39
56:38
19:25 41:23 57:31
1:00
1:01
Pity Shostakovich withdrew this symphony after his opera "Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk" caused a storm of criticism in the official media.
What is the story?
Read a biography of Chostakovitch instead of making a stupid question
@@LyubomirIko Follow this link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Macbeth_of_Mtsensk_(opera)
just noticing Gergiev has a toothpick in his right hand as he's conducting
Am I reading too much into this great work, but it sounds mostly like a parody of a grand symphony, perhaps giving the finger to Stalin and his regime. Shostakovich did withdraw this piece after hearing it in rehearsal, citing a disagreement with the conductor. Did he perhaps feel that it was a bit too obvious what the music was saying? Fearing the Gulag? Wow I don't know
No, it was banned in a special Stalinist way: the orchestra director was visited by certain party officials, who benevolently discouraged him from giving place for the performance. Everyone was aware the consequences if one didn't take seriously such benevolent warnings. Than the director discouraged Shostakowich from the performance and - according to the instructions of those officials - asked him to make a public announcement that his withdrawal was voluntary and of personal motifs. Although the 4th was never been officially put on index, even a fool could understand that a piece of art affected by such circumstances should stay in the drawer for an elongated period of time.
I actually just read in a book that during the rehearsal of this symphony for the premiere, a secretary of the Conposers' Union and a man from the Communist Party Headquarters came to talk to Shostakovich. They went into a private room, and when they came out, Shostakovich said that there would be no performance of this symphony.
It's avant-garde and weird as hell, but I think this symphony is deeply earnest and dead serious. I read symphonies 5 and 10 as parodies, at least a little bit, but this one feels like a serious subversion of a hero's journey more than a satire of one. In the end, it was retracted (for about 25 years) not because it was a parody, but simply because its avant-garde nature flew in the face of more traditional socialist realist work and fell under Soviet government suspicion. Personally, I think the Soviet government should have embraced this kind of work as an exemplar of what socialism allows composers to achieve.
@@dsch0 Agree with you about symph 5. Anyone who can't hear the finale as a piss-take "OK, so you bullies want nice tunes and major triads do you? I can do those if you insist" has tin ears. Really not so sure about symph 10, whose first movement in particular feels very much from the heart, but then Shost had a very complex sensibility - who knows? This one is earnest enough, and I'm sure you've heard weirder, but I don't think it's his best - he's trying to squash too much in and it feels undisciplined. Very good - in parts, unsatisfying as a whole.
@@dsch0EXACTLY. This symphony is sincere, serious, and dark and it conveys everything in a direct and clear way. There are “mocking” moments in it but that doesn’t make it a insincere symphony.
56:25 Gergiev loves Putin so much that he even invited him to play the double bass.
Je soupçonne que Gergiev doit avoir un sérieux problème de dentition, à le voir simplement diriger avec un cure-dents au lieu d'un baguette !
Do re mi da sol lâ si do😢 sol da sol😂😂....
Shostakovich on a week long drunk.
Gergiev is sweating to the oldies, as a certain diet/exercise guru, might have said 30 years ago. Dang, I am dating myself. :)
I must say I find all DSCH a bit the same...(except his preludes and fugues)
I think it is juste that his music is easily recognizable, but his work still explores a wide range of different emotion and styles
That's surprising, to me he's one of the most diverse sounding composers I've heard
@@BrendanCalliesComposer yes - I used to like his stuff a lot (and I even played the entire 2nd concerto second movement) - but since then I think MOST of his symphonic stuff is little better than film music.
Isn't it ironic how Gergiev, a Putin supporter, is conducting a symphony that was censored by the russian government for years
I don't think he's really Putin's supporter. It's more about his Mariinsky theater , he would've lost , if he condemned invasion.
@@ediccartman7252 what makes you think he doesn't really support Putin and just wants to keep his position? I'm curious to learn more, so if you have sources on this topic I would like to read them
@@juliee593 I'm from St.-Petersburg and have a few common friends with him ( even studied with his daughter). He cares about nothing but himself and building Mariinsky empire in all over Russia. He built a new stage for Mariinsky by money from the budget ( entirely! ). And also took a few more stages in other regions ( Vladivostok, Northern Ossetia , and forgot where else ). Nobody would've let him do , if he wasn't loyal, that's how it's going there for the last 20 years.
Still , he is smart enough, not to say openly, he supports invasion. And didn't go to Donbass , unlike Netrebko who's now returned to Europe and performs , like nothing has happened.
@@ediccartman7252 that's very interesting, thank you for sharing
Интересная музыка. Ещё не шум.
Но музыка должна создавать настроение. А эту психам точно нельзя слушать. Музыка недружественная психике.
dreadful intro music for this series, absurd
This conductor is an avid Putin supporter. Should be boycotted.
У вас жар.Примите пилюлю.Плевать ему 33 раза на ваш бойкот.Все в кучу смешали ,и конец и людей,и спорт,и искусство и политику.
@@larisamakarova8607 У меня нет лихорадки. Путин - ненавистник геев и разжигатель войны. Его следует бойкотировать. И он не очень хороший дирижер.