BETA RR250 RR300 2018+ review of known issues and common problems︱Cross Training Enduro
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- www.crosstraini... Beta main bearing failures are now a significant issue on 2018, 2019 and 2020 Beta two strokes. See this vid: • Beta main bearing fail... When I talk about known issues on any bike, there are always guys who freak out and say that bike sounds like a pile of shit, no way I'm buying that! Well, don't watch the Beta known issues and common problems review vid if you are a panic merchant. You can make a comprehensive list of small issues with any brand like Beta. Like any brand, the Italian bikes have their niggling little faults and I covered these way back in a 2015 Beta enduro review. The good news? They have fixed quite a few. The bad news? There are a few things they keep ignoring... and some new issues with bikes the Beta Xtrainer, RR300 and RR390.
Let's start with the good news. The mudflap for the rear shock used to slowly wear away the swingarm, now it's reshaped to avoid this. If you have an earlier model just trim it to suit.
There were occasional false neutrals between some gears, a new gear selector on 2018 models has fixed this. Check our Beta reviews for more info.
Beta plastics were very prone to cracking instead of bending in even small accidents or just leaning your fenders against a tree. It's early days, but our experience with the 2018 models suggests they finally got around to using the nice flexible materials everyone else uses.
see ben's footage GH010707 ben crash stack jump backflip!! and my comments too.
After several years of riders saying Beta enduro seats feel like slabs of concrete, the 2018 models finally have a softer foam.... good news if you do like to sit a lot on bikes like the Beta 2018 RR300 or RR250.
Forum threads about Beta main bearing failures
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One area we felt Beta let themselves down with Beta known issues and common problems was the heavy clutch. It wasn't bad compared to say cable clutches, but by European standards it wasn't good. The 2018 model is a big improvement. We've done a vid on clutch mods if you have an earlier model.
Okay. So are the Beta 2018 known issues and common problems? This includes the RR350, RR390, RR430 and RR480 and two stroke models too.
Europeans could still learn a lot from the Japanese about good electrics. It's a good idea to remove your headlight and fuel tank then use a pile of zip ties to get your wiring loom neat and not rubbing on anything. There is a critical electrical connection which is easily corroded and can shut down the oil injection system. Apparently it's been fixed for 2018, but some 2017 and all earlier models had the capacitor and diode block mounted upside down allowing water to enter heat shrink. The wires going into the magneto can be snagged by sticks when riding. On 2018 models these are secured better but still it can still happen.
Also the positive wire from starter to the solenoid runs over the frame backbone above the rear shock. Reroute under the backbone to avoid the tank rubbing the wire... some dealers fix this in pre-delivery.
More 2018 Beta known issues and common problems? The four stroke model RR350, RR390, RR430 and RR480 still use plastic cogs for the oil pump. These need to be replaced every 100 hours but most riders agree it would just be easier to make these steel. You can buy aftermarket steel cogs from Boano in Italy.
The standard coolant has too much glyco-*
The two stroke oil injection system works great for most riders, however there's a small but noticeable number of issues with bikes running too rich and fouling plugs. This is because the system defaults to something around 20:1 to avoid any engine seizures but of course it can foul plugs. Apparently the majority of cases are debris left in the system at the factory and a bit of carb cleaner will fix it. But if you can get some compressed air through it will be even better. Remember to always top up your oil. If your system stuffs up and defaults to the very rich mix it could be possible to drain your oil tank on a long ride if it wasn't full. Some riders are simply removing the system with parts from Beta that cost around $70.
Text: Debris sometimes gets caught
internally in the two ball valves of the
internal solenoid during manufacturing,
resulting in over oiling.
A small but persistent Beta known issue and common problem is that pointy-ended sidestand that just sinks into soft ground. The crazy thing is the 2012 sidestand base was double the size and worked great. Why did Beta go back to the chopstick design. Who knows. A very simple fix but Beta has been ignoring complaints for years now.
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UPDATE: MAIN BEARING FAILURES 2018, 2019 2020 2021 BETA TWO STROKES
Unfortunately there been main bearing failures in late model Beta two strokes... Beta USA estimates about a 5% failure rate (and later reported a 10% rate). Unfortunately there have been cases of multiple failures - in one case three times even when fixed by Beta mechanics, evidently as it has been hard to find the exact cause. Beta head office has agreed to fix these cases up to 90 hours, after that it is a case-by-case basis and they may only supply parts. Google 'Beta main bearing failures' for more information. The rate dropped a fair bit for 2020 models, it has been quite rare in 2021 models so hopefully they have fixed most of the problems.
2019 AND 2020 BETA KNOWN ISSUES?
Many have asked me for an updated list of known issues on 2019 and 2020 Betas. I just rang a Beta mechanic and he said there are three main issues for two strokes.
One, the main bearing failures continue but at a lower rate thankfully.
Two, the speedos are failing quite a bit. Often they keep resetting, this can be fixed by securing the input wires more firmly. But the speedos have other issues and dealers stock up on these to replace faulty units under warranty. Electrics can be dodgy and sometimes the whole wiring loom is replaced under warranty as it can be difficult to see where the problems are.
Three, may sure you oil injection supply tube isn't kinked! A few guys have discovered this just in time to prevent seizing.
Four, go over your new bike and check for bolts that are too tight, too loose, or missing. It seems this problem still hasn't gone away.
Four, charging problems on the four strokes and electrical issues. Thee big one is bikes not charging the battery and it keeps running flat. Again, sometimes whole wiring looms are being replaced under warranty. Also there can be lots of niggling issues - read this story about one guy's Beta RR480:
"My Beta 480 was a problem child. Battery went (again) third time out, replaced. Next time out it stopped dead after about an hour, after over a month in the shop the fault was traced to a loose bullet connector in guts of the loom. New harness ordered, weeks rolled by, fixed. A few more rides without issue, then I noticed oil dripping from both the transmission and engine cases. My 'local' dealer had now shut up shop, which meant over an hours drive. That was a biggie. Those leaks were the result, so I was told of a crook batch of gaskets. This required complete disassembly of the motor (cases split) to remedy, plus another month and then some off the road. Beta covered the labor for the job, but not the consumables, so I still copped a $100 bill for that. All this on an engine not even 12 hours old.
In both cases Beta seemed reluctant, at best to make things right, and I got the impression the dealers were trying to get blood from a stone. I dunno, maby the thing will run for another 500 hours without missing a beat, maby not. I can live with boutique brands and limited dealer coverage, but not a company who doge their responsibility to customers, then acts like they're doing you a favor to honor a warranty claim".
Many have asked me what the known issues are on 2019 and 2020 Betas. I just rang a Beta mechanic and he said there are three main issues for two strokes. One, the main bearing failures continue but at a lower rate thankfully. Two, the speedos are failing quite a bit. Often they keep resetting, this can be fixed by securing the input wires more firmly. But the speedos have other issues and dealers stock up on these to replace faulty units under warranty. Electrics can be dodgy and sometimes the whole wiring loom is replaced under warranty as it can be difficult to see where the problems are. The four strokes? Mainly electrical issues, the big one is bikes not charging the battery and it keeps running flat. Again, sometimes whole wiring looms are being replaced under warranty. Also there can be lots of niggling issues - read this story about one guy's Beta RR480:
"My Beta 480 was a problem child. Battery went (again) third time out, replaced. Next time out it stopped dead after about an hour, after over a month in the shop the fault was traced to a loose bullet connector in guts of the loom. New harness ordered, weeks rolled by, fixed. A few more rides without issue, then I noticed oil dripping from both the transmission and engine cases. My 'local' dealer had now shut up shop, which meant over an hours drive. That was a biggie. Those leaks were the result, so I was told of a crook batch of gaskets. This required complete disassembly of the motor (cases split) to remedy, plus another month and then some off the road. Beta covered the labor for the job, but not the consumables, so I still copped a $100 bill for that. All this on an engine not even 12 hours old.
In both cases Beta seemed reluctant, at best to make things right, and I got the impression the dealers were trying to get blood from a stone. I dunno, maby the thing will run for another 500 hours without missing a beat, maby not. I can live with boutique brands and limited dealer coverage, but not a company who doge their responsibility to customers, then acts like they're doing you a favor to honor a warranty claim".
whenever i mention known issues of certain bikes there are always viewers who panic and think it must be the worst bike ever. especially when i do these vids that list known issues. and no matter how many times i say this, they simply don't get it. here we go again....
- all bikes have a list of known issues if you dig around for info
- they usually only affect a small number of riders
- most have very easy fixes.
you can really spot the 'glass is half empty' crowd in these responses lol.
Just picked up 2019 300RR. how deep and long of a water crossing do you think will cause a problem with the carby? the hoses look long enough that you'd have to submarine this thing for a full minute before aspirating water in the carb.
tell that to my friend with his ktm 450 2014...he is sick with maint. still she blow up...3000 euro is a damn lot for a 4000 euro bike..i dont know why you ktm doesnt brake but here all of the have serius issues...we talk about used bikes..and 90% of us is used we buy..its a gamble against you..just like bmw-audi-merc same eu mentality..small companies that love what they do will survive...all enduro safari here they use beta 300 with a shit load of hours ..1000 hours and still going with only piston change.ktm owners they keep say BS so ktm hold a value when they want to sell her..but people know it now thats why a wr450 at same year of any ktm enduro..wr cost way more used...that says all..beta is way better than ktm. true
There is one very serious problem with the Beta enduro line up. The dealers are aware of it but don't admit it until you confront them about it. The problem? One Beta isn't enough. I bought a 2018 390 rrs and thought I had the perfect all around bike that could do everything and was super fun. Well it was and still is, but then I rode a 250 Xtrainer. Wouldn't you know it? now I need a 250/300 Xtrainer. Damn you Beta and your free demo days. I was happy with one bike and now I need two. Be aware of this issue when buying a Beta enduro bike. You may end up with more than one if you aren't careful...
Seriously tho, that Xtrainer is ridiculously fun.
i've been through an italian detox unit several times now, hard to kick the habit. :(
LOL, same thing happened to me. I bought the Xtrainer first and then went for the 390 rr-s. Now I'm lusting for the 125 rr smoker. I think I need an intervention.
Buzz'n a 125 is a different experience and the challenge a small bore provides in the hills is mucho fun.
Yeah already thinking about the 430 not sure how that is going to work with my other 5 bikes, damn fine 10 miles for sure! Gotta another 5 days to wait.
I prefer to call it charachter instead of known issues.
Besides, all the "issues" can be fixed with zip ties (:
Or even a feature?
You must work in sales Rockabilly Rambler (:
Very handy list. As you say, it's always fun seeing viewers panic the moment you list a bunch of small problems you'll find with any manufacturer.
Very thorough. Fortunately, I have a thick layer of denial keeping me from taking such a fine-tooth comb across my bike. I prefer to find my ‘known issues’ on the trail 😉.
Excellent and helpful summary! It's funny how many viewers see a list of known issues and panic or assume it's a bad bike. I know from personal experience you can make lists like this with any bike. And you have your one-eyed fundamentalists who ignore the common problems of their favorite brand and think all the other brands suck LOL.
fundamentalists for sure, ken! often there's not a lot of rational thinking when it comes to dirt bikes, with guys either ignoring problems with their favourite manufacturer or blowing issues up out of all proportion.... sigh.
Own a Beta 300RR 2018 for over a year now, fantastic bike and best in its class. I watched this great video that covers a lot of points that I would make too. One point that in my opinion is overseen is the SPEEDOMETER, I ride in Brazil hard-enduro and over 90% of the bikes here have broken bases where the bolts hold the speedometer, I have a 3D printer and fabricated a very light base where these "titties" stick in and alleviate tension and solves this problem. The rear leds also burn quickly. Another mod I made I removed the nuts from the steering angle limiter and related them with 2 rivets which allows me too make tighter angles to do 180degrees turns. ZipTy also the radiator fin protectors as they will fall off eventually and you lose them. My biggest complaint is the stock suspension set-up that didn't work for me and most riders at 180lbs in 2019 the suspension is noticeably better - I revalved and put SAE 2.5W in the front . I also got rid of the oil injection system and transformed it into a radiator expansion (not that I ever needed that) , I run (like I have done for decades) Motorex Cross Power its a much superior oil grade to the fast diluting "autolub oils" that the manufacturer recommends - the Motorex is more than the double the price but I spend less as it consumes noticeably less and the bike runs so much cleaner. I have done all plus a number of other DIY upgrades to make this already great bike an absolute winner - I too run Tubliss on both wheels and get the best of my tires much longer and never any punctures.
What an awesome public service!
Ruth Walker
hi ! Even in France (close to Italy), we don't have such helpful reviews. Keep going, I am your best suppporter
de rien et aussie un plaisir, laik!
I've owned a 2017 300RR for a couple years now. Best bike ever owned. You know when most of the the issues can be fixed with Zip ties you have a real winner!!! Is it possible to make a better dirt bike, Yes, but it would not be too much better, without anti gravity technology. This is a really good bike. I feel like it has actually saved my life, at least injury, a couple times with its great power band. I stocked my tool box with all the extra carb jets and the power band is so wide and smooth I have not found a need to change the jetting yet!! I ride mostly in my area from 2000 to 8000 ft. 100F to 40F. I've been riding Enduros since the 70's, this bike today, is like a PE250 Suzuki was in the 70's. All you need to have fun in the dirt and come home with a grin.
it really is a great engine, ross. some riders say the new KTM engines are smoother with the counter balancer but i haven't had a chance to try them yet. but the beta power delivery is brilliant. 😊
Yes, the power band is where it really shines, the suspension can be dialed in nicely too. I think it is in the ball park with the Husqvarna or KTM. Closer than the price difference would imply. Certainly one of the great 2 stroke dirt bikes out there today. I changed out the springs for my weight, put on decent radiator guards and hand guards and a spark arrester muffler, it is as good a bike as I will ever need.
Maybe more individual problem, but 2023 300 RR (35h) had dashboard battery holder come loose and doesn't have proper contact. When started to replace the OEM battery, found out that the factory one still works, but only on specific angle / tapping on the battery. The interesting part would be that I'd consider it quite common problem as there isn't any vibration killer material between the battery skrew and battery, meaning it's plastic against battery and eventually the 2T vibrations I'd assume would vibrate battery holder connections open from the panel (as there's 1mm 'free' space between the dash panel and the battery holder). Contacted the Beta and waiting for their input (dealership shared that not covering pbly), but youtube has shown to add some sponge between the skrew and the battery to hold it in place (until the contacts come completely loose, then probably need to break it to pieces to be able to solder the contacts back together).
Beta electrics have been an achilles heel for a long time. Some have said if the Japanese did the electrics you'd have a near perfect enduro bike!
Crikey, that is a BIG list. 😲
A lot of the items mentioned could fall under the quality control banner.
Dangermouse the finish on the shercos seems up a trim level for sure
Julian Heer
I'd have to say I agree there.
The blue and yellow team are quick to address know issues as well.
There was some trouble with the starter Bendix on 2016 & some 2017 2t models, they beefed the unit up and replaced any that had issues with the new part, often outside warranty.
Not too many other common faults seem to surface.
There's always a few in all brands of course.
The oil injection warning lamp should stay on at start up for a few secs. Mine didnt, and when the pump was disconnected the light didnt come on. This was a potential disaster obviously, fixed by dealer replacing the loom. Late 2017 bikes affected. Disconnect your pump for a few minutes at idle and check the light comes on.
Have watched two of your cross trainer videos and have already decided what to buy.... Solid information from a transparent point of view, definitely giving you a sub, keep up the good work man 👍
Good video! Another one to add is the speedo cable at the caliper. In stock form it loops outwards and can get caught by branches and such. If you pull it in tight to the caliper and "zip tie" it the chances of it getting pulled (or broken) are slim to none.
I've had great initial quality on my 2018RRS. It was prepped by Browne's Cycles in Paso Robles, Calif. I'll be taking it in for the 90 hour service soon. There is one thing it has done maybe 3 times in ~7 months I want to ask them about. After a cold start and about minute idling the bike seems to be running smooth. Once riding the idle speed starts to climb. Within a couple minutes it will be 4K rpm or higher. Shutting down, waiting a few seconds, and restarting fixes the issue. I've read the posts in the user forums that suggest not touching the throttle before starting. I'm careful not to move the throttle before or immediately after starting. At all other times the fuel injection works brilliantly.
they do say don't touch the throttle when starting FI bikes but i'm not sure what the problems are if you do....
I had the exact same thing happen to me with my '18 390rrs. My very first ride it happened the same way you described. I let it idle for maybe a minute ( I was excited to ride my new bike) engine is still relativly cold and set off. A couple hundred meters down the road the revs started to climb so I pulled the clutch, the motor sputtered and then cut out. I re started the bike and it ran smooth after that. Happened a few more times before I stopped setting off before the motor was at temp. No more issues since.
I want a Beta for my next bike and those probleme won’t kill my dreams!
I stick with my 04 xr250 .
Great video and well researched as usual. I got my MY18 Xtrainer from Jody South at Euro Enduro and agree that he is a good bloke to deal with and knows his stuff. When I pick up my bike he went over everything with me and showed me all the stuff he tidied up pre delivery. There was so much stuff he tidied up I couldn't remember it all but it seemed like all the stuff that has been mentioned on this video. Now for a few comments of my own for Xtrainer owners and possible new owners. Suspension and deflection is pretty bad in standard trim for a rider that is around 93kg all up with riding gear, tools, water etc. Fitting a Fatty Golden tyre on the front made an instantly noticeable difference, especial on downhill runs. I have now had the full suspension treatment done by FFRC... springs, valving etc (Barry has an excellent video on these mods) and it has transformed this bike. The difference is amazing and worth every cent. Highly recommended.
glad it's working out well for you rod, i wonder if beta might start putting a 'fatty' up front from the factory one day...
Dude, this list is amazing. Looking forward to getting my 2018 cross trainer very soon and will look very close at some of these recommendations. Love your channel.
cheers bill. obviously this is a very detailed list and a lot of the stuff might only happen in 1 or 2% of cases but i figure it's all good to know... but the panic merchants will get carried away as usual lol.
Managed to implement all the fixes suggested by the video on my xtrainer 2018. So a big thanks, you are spot on!
hopefully i've covered the important ones alexandru.... the beta rider forum could be worth looking through too. 🤞
Making a perfect bike is bad for business because consumers will start to expect perfection all the time. Making the consumer fix/improve things themselves saves money and also supports the aftermarket business.
The pointy kickstand is so your bike falls over and breaks. Thats the only logical reason.
superb reasoning ron, i now stand corrected. :)
It was probably to "Save weight"
Got a 2018 KTM300xc-w, swapped to the 38mm keihin.... so far so good. 40 hours problem free
stock needle on 2017 300rr is way too rich. Suzuki NECJ 3rd clip or NEDJ 2nd clip works best for me.
My odometer lost total km data on weekend, still shows 41hrs but only 16km. if I change it to miles it shows total distance of 770miles which is correct total.
put a filter block on carb vent hoses after getting contamination through bowl vent causing stuck needle at wot 😥.
Best bike I've ever owned, love it.
Love how comprehensive you are with these mate!
cheers joe. it panics a of people though... i think everyone likes to think their bike is perfect and then get into a flap when the known issues are listed.
I had the oil leak on a lid, which covers the opening, where kick-starter was mounted on previous models. Have 2018 RR 350. It happened after 15 hours and was fixed by a dealer for free.
Beta also overstates their spring rates. It is hardly sprung for 180 pounds out of the box. Stepping up two rates on the forks and 1 on the Shock (for the rocky terrain here) proved to be properly sprung for a 180 pound rider like myself. A slight rework of the fork valving also improved things greatly. No other issues so far on my 18 RR with about 50 hours.
The thermostat on my 18 350rrs was bad before I even rode the bike first in the dirt. Since I live in the desert I got the samco hose kit with thermostat bypass. But it shook my confidence In the bike a bit.
Very nicely done. Thank you for remaining objective/honest when we all know you love Beta. Much appreciated
a pleasure, sir :)
Re throttle carburettor boot.. suggest using self-amalgamating tape as this not only secures the boot but waterproofs properly preventing any water ingress into carb.👍
Thank you for this! I posted a pretty in depth detail of prepping our 4Ts for Baja in the BETA DUAL SPORT/ADVENTURE BIKE SETUP: RS390, RR-S390, RS500, RR-S500 (but left out the 430 RR-S :X) thread on ADV Rider. We did a lot of work on the wiring harness. As soon as the bikes are out of warranty we will really attack these issues.
yep thanks for your input gwynne, always makes a great difference when riders are happy to share their hard won knowledge. :)
Can you make a video of it ;)
Robert, if you are on ADVRider this is the thread that keeps on giving advrider.com/index.php?threads/beta-dual-sport-adventure-bike-setup-rs390-rr-s390-rs500-rr-s500.1198210/ Tons of relevant information.
Gwynne Fitzsimmons tnx dude
I just got one 2018 rr250 2stroke from sale :) this is a vid that i was looking for! Thanks! Now i know how i can make my bike work better with zip ties
Truly excellent! Thank you for your thoughtful review!! I ride the 4t Sherco but have long had my eye on the X-trainer based on your dodgy videos.
almost got the sherco 300 four stroke a few years ago, nice bike!
I love it!! I have a Factory edition, and the bike consistently impresses me. It does devour rear tires--not due to wheel slipping slow trails, but because of raw acceleration on the straights--but I suppose that's half the fun!
Thanks for the excellent heads up..will reroute a few cables & break out the zip ties for my 18 350rr which is superb
390RRs 2018: Thermostat leaked when delivered. Dealer fixed it ASAP. Radiator hoses were loose and leaking. I fixed them easily. Noticed a very small leak between the case halves gasket right at the bottom of the engine when I dropped the skid plate to change the oil. Beta USA has acknowledged at least 6 additional 2018 390RRs bikes with the same issue. (losing about 1-2 drops of engine oil each day when the motor is NOT running) The dealer will remove the engine, split the cases, and replace the gasket just before the warranty expires. I would like to know if this issue is showing up in Austrailia. I am LOVING the 390RRs!! Thank you, Barry, for this vid and all the training ones.
thanks for the details rick, i've listed all the issues two dealers have faced, and particularly jody who is a beta mechanic as well so sees the common problems all the time. poorly tightened bolts is common but only the less important stuff... engine bolts etc have always been torqued correctly in their experience. no oil leaks... so far!
Perhaps better communication needs to be had between the mechanics and Beta, then disseminated to all dealers. It would be nice to take care of these things in the PDI.
Thanks for the video Barry.
not sure what happens in other countries jason, but i think all the beta dealers share info and fix the small stuff in pre-delivery.
I know for a fact there is good communication between Beta USA and their dealers. The community is pretty small so I would assume there is pretty good communication between the dealers too. What did surprise me was when I learned my local dealer's mechanics did not have any formal training from Beta. I would have assumed there would be at least 1 "factory trained" technician in each dealership. That being said, they never fail to amaze me on how well they respond to questions and how much they enjoy promoting the Beta brand. They are good people.
Yeah I'd like to think that's how it would work. Maybe some things just get overlooked. What's that saying? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure :)
On a positive note: I've heard really good things about our local Beta dealer "Clay's Offroad" here in New Brunswick, Canada. I'm looking to purchase a 2018 XTrainer. I've been watching this old guy who rides one and he's been promoting the bike for a while, I think I've drank the Koolaid. That old guy must be getting a cut... ; )
Right on for the always great content.... and for making me chomp at the bit to get down under and go riding
I would say the biggest reason for me not switching to Beta yet. Is i'd like to see them balance the motor better like their competitors. I believe they would gain a lot of sales by changing this.
Z Shark are you talking 2t or 4t? I'm not sure about 2t, but my 4t is the smoothest single I've ridden (dirtbike that is, there are smoother big bikes like klr and 690) give one a try if you get the chance, it was love at first ride for me.
Hey Jacob... sorry i should have specified.. I was talking about the 300 2troke.. I actually own a 690 as well... great bike...cheers
U ride a kdx bro. It can't get any more unbalanced for u!
actually the KDX isn't that bad on vibration.. maybe because of smaller cc's.. But whatever the case... if i were to upgrade.. I would want smoother than what i have now. because it's available.
Oh it's worth it I bought a 300rr race edition back in Easter and I've sold 2 other bike because i really only ride my beta only.
Beta changed their clutch design in 2018 from a 4 spring to a 6 spring and that probably has to do with the stiff clutch but i personally feel like my stock clutch from 2013 feels fine i did the washer on the springs mod with only 1mm and thats how ive been using it
I really like my (2015) Beta 300rr but I was a bit surprised that almost none of the electrical wiring and connectors were taped. Coming from a '94 Suzuki DR350 were everything was neatly taped and secured to the bike, my Beta felt a bit cheap on that part.
cheap or just not very organised when it comes to electrics lol
instructions unclear;
now my willie is zip tied to the carb....please send help.
The Hundredth Monkey
Does Betty Beta do house calls
that sounds right actually, the bike should idle better now with a nearby schlong to calm it down.
Amazing in how comprehensive your review...🤯
all thanks to the two beta dealers mentioned in the disclaimer at the beginning :)
Just had my battery claimed under warranty. Lipo on a '18 390rrs. 10 minutes of ignition on and the thing is completely dead. Not even enough to prime the injectors to bump start the bike. One in 10,000 is always a dud. I guess I won...bike is still awesome tho.
Barry, thanks for sharing this info. It will come in handy on my 2018 300RR Race Edition.
a pleasure tomm!
2:35 the cables are secured beta XD I think thats really funny
if those are the problems then beta is taking over..with the most dope 300cc enduro bike...did you see how many people cry about ktm problems serius ones
we covered some of KTM's main blunders in the video link at the end. keep in mind though that the main bearing failures in 2018 and 2019 two stroke betas has been a serious issue.
@@crosstrainingenduro because of no grease yes?
fully explained in the main bearing failures vid
The problems I have encountered in the six months of owning my 390rrs. The thermometer for the engine temp is tempermental at best. Some days it gives me a temp other days nothing. If I wash the bike it says the motor is over 150 C when the bike has not been run at all that day. The plastics explode but they are cheap to replace. The suspension is a little soft for my taste but I am 215lbs with gear and bag so maybe I need a tune. The gearing is a little tall for really tight single track 15/48 is great for the road 13/48 is great for logging/fire roads but I will have to go to 13/52 for any serious single track, especially if I want to race.
All in all the bike is fun reliable and relatively cheap compared to orange or white pumpkins. I will buy another Beta but only because of the other very serious problem the bikes have.
See my other comment.
dodgy plastics exploding lol! i hope it's finally fixed, our 2018 models aren't exploding yet....
Mine have rear black plastic bit broke into over 12 pieces.
I've been running 13/50 on mine with pretty good luck, I live in Washington state so trails are super tight and rocky/covered in roots. I still wish I could get it to go slower in first though, I have a 480 and in 1st with no throttle at all it goes along at 6mph. It's perfect for more open mountain trails though.
I am on Vancouver Island, so similar terrain. You have helped me make the decision between 50 and 52. Thankyou.
Another fantastic video Barry, cheers for a spot on summary. I'm 3 oil pumps in with my 300 18 beta, thanks for explaining why I was fouling plugs. Are you running oil injection in your 300?
i hope this solves it darcy. there's also a very small number that have been a problem in the ICU but so rare i didn't mention it. still running injection on mine with no probs. :)
To be honest I'm too scared to go back to oil injection, I don't have the best luck with this stuff and adding oil to the mix is not that bad. I wish it just worked! Great to hear you having good luck with your OI.
I've got another issue to add to the list, cage on the main bearings gone on my bike last week. The dealer tells me it happens 1 in 15 bikes, to me that sounds like a lot.
The engine breather hose for both me and my dads bike on the left side came off and starting spraying black gunk all over because part of the tube ripped right at the turn and came off
The Doctor 808 me and my dad both have betas too :)
Nice video.... all those little things are just a reminder to "maintain your bike"!!!
the perfect summary richard!
Very well made video, i think it would be fantastic to ear your opinion on injected two stroke
I bought a 2018 300 race and had to zip tie the exhaust connection. Also had many loose bolts from the factory. I went through and torqued everything on the bike to be sure not to loose bolts.
a good point brent, just after i finished the vid another dealer said the factory is good at torquing the important bolts correctly (e.g. engine) but they often get very sloppy with all the other ones. very good idea to run over the entire bike with a spanner before your first ride!
My rubber exhaust coupler split after only 3 months and left a nice mess.
Is the suspension any better?
Thats quite a long list tbh :(
yup, but you can make an equally long list with all the other brands too if you find dealers and/or mechanics willing to tell you :)
Yeah, I had so many issues on my '17 xtrainer 300. With my '18 Yamaha YZ250FX -- ZERO issues. Well the seat is damn hard though.
Although very true for brands like Beta, GG, Tm and even Husqvarna (pre KTM models), definitely not for all. I could make an interesting list for GasGas no doubt but when I think of my Yamaha YZ from 2006.. I did not have to fix anything on that bike in 5 years and even sold it with the original spark plug. No modifications needed, no cracked plastics, no loose screws! Nothing at all! Not even loose spokes after the first hours... Same goes for my friends Honda CR from 1989! Truly extraordinary build quality. Can't say the same for GG ('10, '18), Husky ('07) or KTM ('14) unfortunately. (that said I am very happy with my '18 GG)
as a rule of thumb i'd say japanese bikes are definitely better on the fine details stuff e.g. electrics, finish, mechanicals etc. but their issues list grows because of things like getting with the 21st century and using hydraulic clutches and putting sixth gears in the bigger bikes etc. all currrent dirt bikes are brilliant of course, but just saying they all have a fair number of small issues. :)
I just picked up a 14 250rr and I noticed a few of these things wrong with it. I think they are fine but it is just a little bit extra work for me. Overall the bike is amazing though.
we did an earlier known issues vid a while back that should apply to your bike, lucas.....
Well done Barry, thank you for sharing all that info's, really appreciate that. Regards from Austria, Steve
bitte schon, steve!
Has anyone mentioned the side stand bolt getting loose very easily? Easy fix with a little squirt of Loctite
I have an issue with my RR 300 2018 model , the battery doesn’t get charged and after a while stops starter to work. Not sure if it’s the wires.
the wiring looms are quite messy. i know a guy who bought a 2020 RR300 and he said the wiring looks a lot neater now but the connectors were still pretty bad... he had the whole loom replaced under warranty. i know almost nothing about diagnosing electrics but it might pay to take the tank off and check all the connections and spray some dielectic grease in. good preventative maintenance anyway.
Only a miner issue but i noticed with my 2018 390 i just brought some of the factory graphics are already peeling in spots
Who said anything about riding the bike, I just thought you put it in your front room and looked at it😆. I do have to say bazzza you do a better job than the sales rep and seam to know more to👍
thanks but it's all the hard work of jody south at euro enduro and cameron graham at 01moto. they are old style dealers who are honest about the bikes and so customer-focused it hurts lol.
Big up to them 👍 no school like the old school. Wish all dealers was like them, all other dealers want to do now is just get sales and don’t have a clue about the bikes
Wow, good riding sir!!! I'm a noob and wish to be half as good and not fall all over the easy trails!!
Thanks Dru! It's certainly been an adventure trying to learn more since turning 50... it seems old dogs can learn some new tricks. 👍
@@crosstrainingendurowhoa at that age that's more impressive!! Ride safe and enjoy!
I’m about to buy a ‘17 Xtrainer 300 that’s virtually brand new. Less then 200 miles on it. Should I go over your list and check everything or are these issues really that common?
not sure why you are asking me that keegan. many would do so because that's what the video is all about but it's not up to me if you choose to do otherwise.
Thank you!-love my Beta 2018 2t.
Thanks for the tips awesome videos as per usual 👍
Great info! I'm finally treating myself to a 250rr.
hope you like it david. still quite linear power for a 250 but it still goes like a scalded cat at higher revs.
Thanks! I was debating about getting the 300. But, figured maybe the 250 would handle a bit quicker. I do like a bit of a top end rush at times. And I could convert it to a 300 if I felt I needed more grunt. Picking it up Friday!!
What about the way the seat side rails channel water and mud into the air box?
I love the schematic at 1:42 !
😂
Just wonders if anyone else has had their check engine light stay on and if so how did you fix it. It’s a 2018 xtrainer with 168km on the clock.
Here's hoping 2019 bettas are improved because that's when I'm by mine, fingers crossed
the good news is i couldn't find any 2019 cases, wadz up. so if faulty NTN bearings (or seals) were the issue it's possible the faulty batch was used up before 2019 production started. fingers crossed....
@@crosstrainingenduro I was really hoping your reply would say something along those lines great news and thank you for the reply
Make a video about what you should do if u brake a clutch cable mid ride
Shift using your throttle. Gas off to up shift and gas off and on quickly to down shift. Racers dont use the clutch often.
People don't seem to realize that these problems don't effect every new bike
Are zip ties Australian duct tape? Thanks for the info, Barry, I'm sure the Beta riders appreciate this vid
yes, we reserve duct tape for arterial bleeding most of the time.
betas are from Italy ...lol..
Great VID Thx...What Radiator Guard is mounted to the bike in this video?
Force accessories
I just bought a 2023 beta 390 RR! anything I should be careful with??
We haven't been tracking issues for four strokes since making this vid. 🤔
does anyone know what wrist brace he is wearing also if you see this what is your reason for wearing them injury or prevention I ask because I am currently struggling with a lingering wrist injury. Love the vids thanks
Max
see our wrist brace review over on the adventure oz channel, max :)
Hey mate where do you mount your gopro because i just bought one and have no idea what looks best .thanks
see our chinbar mount review, joseph. and all our filming vids too. :)
th-cam.com/video/DBTSq8OdWIc/w-d-xo.html
I love my 18 Xtrainer, but I feel I need a 350 Race Edition also!
Try the 390 race edition. Torque for days...
Guys, did you experienced strange noise during clutch slipping? Clutch is engaging too quickly. Is this a beta thing ?
Never, Doukan. Sounds like something is probably starting to wear... clutch plates? The basket?
@@crosstrainingenduro I hope it is the plates :) . thank you...
need other video for the 2019 300rr
!!!! i love my 300 2017 ! after 70hs
Nothing you listed are really show stoppers. Still a great bike.
absolutely, fred. it's easy to make a similar list for any bike if you can find dealers/mechanics willing to talk about it.
I am to noob, please answer me.
Beta RR300 2019 or KTM EXC 300 TPi 2019??? It's my second bike (after a noname 125 yr 2016)
th-cam.com/video/oPRwh_dUJuc/w-d-xo.html 😊
The Italian sheila community thanks you. I on the other hand, will keep my 04 KX250. Excellent vidya. Cheers from UTAH!
Does the 2020 300 rr got the same issues? I'm looking to get one!!
See our Beta 2020 2021 known issues vid, Sorin
What about the grabby front brake that can catch unexpectedly, did they fix that? That's a major safety hazard that a LOT of Beta owners complain about.
never heard of that one, do you have a link to any threads?
thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/1234977-front-brake/ & th-cam.com/video/wedgDBXBrls/w-d-xo.html just two examples of many.
first thread sounds like a guy who just came off a bike with mushy brakes. flipped quickly through the vid but couldn't find a reference to brakes. i've met so many guys riding betas and never heard a single complaint. googled 'beta front brake problems' and nothing.....
That's strange... One of my friends also test rode a Beta and said it had the same problem. Kyle from Dirt Bike channel has several videos were he mentions the bad front brake on the 2017 Beta 300. It took him weeks to heal from an injury because of it, and he's a good rider that's used to riding new KTM's.
Flush line and replace fluid. Try a small bevel on the leading edge of the pads, or a different pad. Like CTES mentioned elsewhere, could be something in the production run of the models with the issue, versus no issues with the aus models.
Did they finally fix the forks hard coating issue or do all new owners expect to spend 400 dollars to correct this again this year?
never heard of that issue in australia, and i spoke to a few beta mechanics and dealers for this vid who were very happy to share all the problems they've hit over the past few years. any more details? how often has it happened? which year models?
hi Barry, it was an ongoing issue with the Sachs forks wearing internally due to missing / poor hardcoating on the upper tubes. There's a 35 page thread on BetaRiders forum detailing it.
wow. i'll check it out and update the known issues list i've started on a few forums.
here you go...Cheers.
www.betarider.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2071
cheers, just put this up on the forum posts too.
Hi, i am interested in a 2018 beta. It has the oil injection bypass. I would like it to be electric oil injected. Would you consider reinstalling the electrical oil injection system?
I know a long-term Beta mechanic who says the failure rate is low, but high enough to consider eventually removing at some point after your warranty is finished.
One reason I come back here over and over . Had a chance to druel all over my first Beta today but got stuck working maintenance on that worthy fat girl you introduced me too . Getting stuck at another shop full of Katy Eames and , , .
Well them things don't have a thing to do finding out what yawl' are up to now . Thanks All , Thanks be
What is the seat cover you mentioned???
I second that comment. Let me know if you find that seat cover. I put a MotoSeat brand on mine about 2 years ago and it was better but now it is time for another one.
Yeah, what about the Australian distributor mess up and increased parts prices? 😡
waiting to see how all of that pans out but can't say i've been overly impressed with how a 'family owned' italian company has treated a national distributor who made so many sacrifices and did so much for them. :(
I was seriously thinking of buying a leftover 2018 250rr tomorrow, in favor of same in 250 xc-w flavor and 2019 250fx until i saw this comment. @@crosstrainingenduro
What about the noisy clutch?
My ‘18 300rr screams when it’s slipped.
??? something ain't right there!
Does these also apply to beta 400 rr? (4-stroke) Im looking to get 2013 model.
The year model this video applies to is mentioned in the video title
@@crosstrainingenduro And that's why I asked in the comments, if it would also apply to the 2013 model, lol.
I tried to go though the vids you have but I can’t seem to find on one on the hand rear brake you are running, I have seen the Clake and it looks awesome but very expensive. Have you put out a vid or are you planning to eventually. Thank you!
just one vid so far brad, just google as per this link :) th-cam.com/video/DBTSq8OdWIc/w-d-xo.html
Lol ok sorry about that, still can’t find anything on the new one you use. Love the vids anyways good for a laugh and info on improving my Gumby skills.
google "cross training enduro ox brake" :)
I have the Clake on my beta hand operated rear excellent piece of gear .spend the extra you wont be disappointed.
Great vid! thx Berry
Bro
U will produce a review about the new beta 200rr?
Kind regards from somewhere;)
if they offer me one to ride max, but no one except gas gas have been keen to offer me bikes for review lately
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS
Let’s see and maybe we get lucky before Christmas 😋
Take care.
So is the oil injection bullet proof? Other than the diode problem, is there record of any other failures?
this was covered in the video, luke. and i didn't mention any diodes in relation to the oil injection so not sure what you mean....
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS yes, you cover a small portion on the injection that I have watched. But I am referring more towards it failing as in not allowing oil(since it’s not a pump) I like the idea that it uses engine vacuum but has there ever been reports of a blown engine due to lack of oil or something with the oil system other than going rich. should have been a little more clear.
Plus you did talk about diode 😏 just referring to the earlier issue.
Have a good day!
gotcha luke. the oil pump failures i'm aware of occurred due to the mentioned reason, or could most likely be attributed to that. i didn't find any evidence of the the pump itself failing due to poor design etc. but then it's still all quite new so who knows if they'll become very unreliable after 100 hours? i know some riders convert back to premix after six to 12 months on the bike for this reason, because the long term reliability hasn't been established yet.
@@crosstrainingenduro I am deleting mine, just for the peace of mind, I really liked the idea of it, but without going into deep details, I had a broken subframe, which caused an air filter sealing problem(everytime you put pressure on the subframe) causing a gap, so It sucked in all kinds of sand and dirt. Huge motor rebuild. Well I dont want to go through this again, so I am going to delete. and its not really the gate itself I am worried about, its the hose, and nipple. all it takes is a pinch while you're riding, or the nipple getting broke off, or getting loose. Thank you!
ah that reminds me, one guy did have the hose melt against the exhaust pipe but he noticed just in time. definitely pays to zip tie on to the nipples and well away from the exhaust.
Wow, this video is fantastic.
Glad it's useful, we've got a few more floating around for various year models.
@@crosstrainingenduro May I ask; does the 2020-2022 Sherco 300 2-strokes have oil injection, or do you mix oil in the fuel?
Still premix, which we like. In our group no one ever had oil injection problems but it's always in the back of your mind once the warranty lapses. Our Beta dealer always recommended ditching it before getting too many hours up on the bikes.
Ben Grabbo's Beta at Finke 2018 had a known issue!
was it the rider? lol
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS No, the rider was capable
Sounds....great
Thank you!!