Should you buy a 250 or 300 two stroke dirt bike?︱Cross Training Enduro
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- www.crosstraini... tractionerag.com Should you buy a 250 or 300 two stroke dirt bike? I still get heaps of questions from guys about bike recommendations. Despite constantly saying there are a gazillion things I'd need to know about their situation first. And then I am hopelessly unqualified to make recommendations anyway. Sigh.
Anyway many ask me if they should buy a 250 or 300 two stroke when looking at the Sherco, Gas Gas, Beta or KTM. So should you buy a 250 or 300 two stroke enduro bike? Get a test ride, it's the only way you will know for sure. But if you want a dodgy opinion from a dirt riding muppet, hang around. Mind you, our research indicates that plenty of experienced riders love the hit of the powerband when you put change the power valve setting from mild to wild... your previously tame beast is suddenly wheelspinning uncontrollably, the front wheel is pawing the sky, your arms are pulled out of their sockets and your eyeballs are pushed back into your brain. The milder power in the low to midrange revs will keep you out of trouble, and if you adjust your power valve you can soften that hit of power you usually get with the 250s at higher revs. The 300 dirt bike is all about a linear powerband, looking at 250 v 300cc. heaps of low down grunt, same in the midrange, same in the top end. I love it for our slow technical riding. At low revs a small blip of throttle lifts the front wheel for all those obstacles, it's almost impossible to stall as long as you have some throttle applied, and there's way less clutch work needed compared to the 250. I can with the heavier four strokes where there's a lot more rotational mass, but what about a Sherco 250 v KTM 300 two stroke? Nup. However plenty of experienced faster riders say they can tell. So up ahead is Pete on his 250. It's all he will buy and he often tells us we will sell our 300s and get 250s when we learn how to ride properly. Of course we tell him he is a skirt wearing nancy boy who will sell his princess pony 250 when he mans up and grows a pair. Now the funny thing is that often the complete 300 upgrade kit is around $1000 too, if considering a 250 or 300 two stroke enduro bike - KTM, Beta, Gas Gas and Sherco. If this is your sort of caper then the 250 can be a winner for experienced racers too when choosing a 250 or 300 two stroke, whether it's KTM, Gas Gas or Sherco. The smaller engine revs up faster, usually a bit higher, and despite having less lowdown power in most brands the 250s are putting out the same top end power as the 300s. For less experienced riders the 250 will probably be safer and less tiring too when considering 250 v 300. The power valves are just getting better and better at totally changing engine characteristics. The mapping switches are also improving, especially on the Shercos where you would swear you are on a completely different bike when you flip the switch. So beginners can start with the 250 then later on spend their savings on an upgrade to a 300. Sweet! Okay, that all makes the 250 sound pretty good. But me? I love 300s. Riders were raving when the first 300s came out, saying they are like riding a four stroke but so much lighter and better handling. Another alleged advantage of say a KTM 250 is less rotational mass. A few years ago Stephen Hawking sent us this easy equation that explains everything. The idea is all the moving bits in your engine tend to keep the bike upright. So a bike with a smaller engine should be be easier to tip over into corners. So how do they compare? Well two strokes have come a long way recently, and especially the 250s. The Europeans are really getting some serious low down grunt from the little smokers, which has narrowed the difference considerably with the bigger 300s. Get a test ride and see what you think. Interestingly some riders say this makes the 250 less tiring to ride. But then others say the same about the 300 because it requires less rider input with clutch slipping and gear changing. But the 250 is still a favourite for guys who like a lively engine, and like to rev more without killing themselves. In KTMs you can fit the motocross heads for increased compression, or just head your existing head modified. It's all a far cry from the old deadly peaky two stroke beasts that were the ulimate way to commit suicide, whether a 250 or 300 two stroke Sherco, Gas Gas, Beta or KTM dirt bike.
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I'm going for a 3 stroke 275, seems like a great compromise.
Is it front wheel drive?
Hahaha
3 strokes are just misfiring 2strokes😂😂
Never heard of a 3 stroke
@@Isaiahstetson do some research 😜
I should keep weighing the differences between a 250 and a 300 despite the fact that I can only afford 10 year old 125's
Haha same here
I've bought a 20 year old 380 exc💪😂
2000 YZ250 and I dump $3000 into it. Oh well, at least it’s a cool old restored POS
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Anton Glonner yesss! Sick bike. I had a 99
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same here, i only made this vid because so many supporters had requested the topic. i'll be happy on either (but a smidge happier on a 300). 🤗
@@crosstrainingenduro i ride a 300 2 banger aswell just saying
I ride a DR350, no shortage of fun!
I don't have a bike:(
I ride a yz426f
Yz85
Ssr140
Tw200
Xl100
All fun bikes for different reasons
Love the 300s all I'll ever ride now, I moved to it after 8 years on 450s and the bike setup the way it is now, head, port exhaust, red PV exc. It pulls harder, is significantly lighter feeling and is faster than any stock 450 I have ridden or owned. Best part is i can still just lug around all day out in the trails almost effortlessly if I'm not out on a track.
Best explanation yet.
I had a group of XR400 riders. We loved the bottom end. Most bought KTM 300EXCs and never looked back.
I had a license plate on my XR400 and bought a KTM 200SX for variety. Same HP, 60 lbs lighter, lots of torque for a 2T 200.
I went from a Beta 300 to a Sherco 250. I love both bikes, but am very happy with my Sherco. Very manageable steady power in the Technical stuff.
I used to race my kx 250. I started with a kx 500 which I liked to ride but the problem was no matter what I did it wouldn't pass the sound checks for the enduro races. So that's why I got into the kx250. Now I sold my kxs and bought a 300 2 stroke gas gas. I loved it. It had so much grunt it was like riding a 4 stroke. Then in 2020 I traded the 300 in for a 2019 250 two stroke. I dont regret it . The 250s have more power than you can use. I like the lighter feel and the snappier engine. All though the 300 felt like the power of my 500 yet handled like a 250. When it comes down to it... get a bike you like and learn to ride it. They are all good anymore... keep rideing and God bless
Great video. Explains it perfectly. I have had 250 and 300 XC's. I like them both and owning either is ok with me.
I'm still riding my 1977 Honda CR125 Elsinore. Why mess with perfection!
Why is the video hidden? Anyways, I as a unexperienced rider i would opt for a 250 since it´s harder work and requires you to do it correctly, it teaches you more that a 300. Either get a 250 or a old 300. Still the 300's are brilliant fun and can offer a quite similar learning experience. It´s just that they don´t punish as much when you get it wrong, thus not teaching you as much. Great vid BTW.
Here's my take. I ride extreme enduro trails on a regular basis and two people who ride with me had 250's. Both of them moved to 300's and loved them so much more. I think the 250 just lacks that touque that makes the 300 so good. If I was forced at gunpoint to get a fourstroke, I would get a 250.
certainly my take on it too. it was pretty hard to stay objective in this vid lol.
I grew up riding 250s and finally just bought myself a new 2020 te300i... there's no going back!
How is the te300i in the sand/mud???
I am in doubt! I live in NL and I want a 300 or 350.
I loved the 300 in the mountains...but I dont know how he is in sand and mud....you know? :)
The 250’s are more fun to ride to me.
Love riding my YZ 250X.
I'm pretty sure the answer is just a straight up yes. I haven't compared similar models of 250 vs 300, or even relatively new ones, but have both an old KTM 300 and a slightly less old YZ250. Both are a ton of fun, seem to be super reliable when trail riding instead of racing (especially with forged pistons), and while they are completely different bikes, both are great options. And being older used bikes means I can afford to have both options.
Love your shows. Comical as always and informative.
Peace
I still prefer the 300's it's the 500 4t of 2 strokes.
I'll just continue riding my xt 500 :P
500 4t has 10 less hp than 300 2t
except it’s handling is much nicer than a 500F
what about 2 stroke 500cc ?
@@gurjindersingh199: no one makes one anymore.
You have a fantastic voice for narrating! Awesome video like always
Just got a 300 Beta RR. The best bike for me ever. I have had lots of 250s. 300 is like 500cc power. Although Im not fast enought for that!!! LOL
Have had both 250 and 300 exc both on red power valve spring but i always come back to the 250 just suits my style and all current euro 250/300 seem good these days.
Really comes down to cost/ available units, local support and parts available/ reliability.
I bought a 250 and used the savings to pay for suspension work and skid plate etc. It's still a pretty torquey motor, too. 2021 ec 250.
When Hans A was looking to move off his 450 we tried all the Husky models - FE450 (a brute!), FE350 (nice but you could feel the 4T inertia and it was too tame), TE300 (mine) and the TE250. He settled on the 250 and never looked back. Being 70+ (and no, you wouldn't know it!) he wanted something that was quick, light and easy to get through the flowing single we love. We swapped bikes for a long section and the 250 was a revelation! So easy to go fast! Didn't want to stand up in tight corners or push the front end, and so smooth on the throttle - I almost thought about selling my 300. It reinvigorated his riding. Then of course he upgraded and the new one was even better! I now recommend the 250's to any new rider as the perfect single track weapon.
excellent points, glenn. occasionally when i've headed interstate or off to canada the only available bike has been a 250. i'd groan to myself a bit as i love that lowdown grunt instead of revving, but of course within minutes i stop whinging and begin enjoying the fun side of the smaller engine!
I'd love to try out one of these modern 300s that all the cool kids keep going on about. I'd love to know how it compares to the vintage 440 Maico. Compared to a vintage 250, hill climbs on the 440 are like cheating. You can drop anchor on a gnarly hill, take a break for 15 minutes, and just start back up like you're at a traffic light.
The map switch on the 21 300RR Beeta also makes a huge difference. I call it the angry switch. I leave it on neuter mode in the slick stuff.
Most excellent synopsis your Gumby guru lordship. We are truly fortunate to be living in a golden age of dirt bike. You can tailor and blur the lines of the displacements. For me sometimes hard charging revver type on a 2t and weighing in under 200 lbs with full offroad kit on, the 250 is perfect , the 300 being a bit overkill more often than not. Just the opposite or my 280lbs son, but we can be effective on either depending on the day.
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So if I were to buy one for motocross as well as enduro… am I right in saying 250 would be better ??
I personally find the power of the 250 to be more intimidating then the 300's. Once the 250 hits the power band it just takes off while the 300 has a softer hit.
Adjust the powrervalve turn and change the spring ;)
Put the red spring in the 300. Power hits hard.the 300 same as 250 but bit more power.
If I where to buy one for motocross as well as enduro/green lane do you recon the 250 would be more suitable for motocross ?
So you would say if you want that 2 stroke buzz to go 250 over a 300? Is the 250 more brutal?
I love my 250. Another great video. Keep up the great work!
Somehow, I think if you're asking which to buy, ya should be going with the 250. Learn that bag of tricks, then put the 300 engine kit to it. Best of both worlds......
Guess im buying a 250😂
I have for the most part owned 250SX's but recently got a Beta 300RR. I gotta say i miss the kick. After playing around with power valve springs and adjustments it seems the Italians have ported the engine for linear power. And of course there is diminishing returns on port timing as CC's increase. However the extra bottom end is very handy on the hill climbs and tight sections. It's a double edged sword but i think for aging riders who have had a few good winters a 300 is a better pick.
Well said... very linear power on all the 300s, but especially the Beta and Shercos. The 250s still have that kick as the power comes in though for those who like the thrills. 😊 Still a lot milder than the mx bikes though.
what a hoonigan on the ktm, those powerslides were wicked!
I have both a 300 and a 250, you nailed the differences. Not much but the 300 picks up the wheel easier to hop over stuff. 250 takes a tad more skill you have to be more aware of what gear you’re in.
It's funny how each appeals to different riders. In our group most of us are 300 junkies. But one guy swears by his 250 and says he'll never ever buy a 300, just doesn't like them. And another guy has a 200cc because he loves small bore bikes.
Great summation Barry. The evolution of the 2T enduro motor has been fun and rapid. The new TPI KTM/ Husky models have really come a long way. The counterbalanced engine, E start, fuel injection, and tuned steel ( and carbon with Husky) frames all come together to provide the smoothest, most linear powerband yet. I have 45 hours on my TE 300i and it has been flawless. These are the best of times for enduro riders.
UPDATE: MAIN BEARING FAILURES 2018, 2019 & 2020 BETA TWO STROKES
Unfortunately there been main bearing failures in late model Beta two strokes... Beta USA estimates about a 5% failure rate. Unfortunately there have been cases of multiple failures - up to three in a row even when 'fixed' by Beta mechanics. Beta head office have never been clear about the exact cause. After being pressured, they said it was an 'assembly problem'. Months later they changed their story to it being a 'supplier problem' and they were given incorrect bearings. I've checked again and according to a distributor it's back to being 'an assembly problem' as they were heating the engine cases incorrectly, causing them to warp. This would explain why some riders are having two or even three bearings fail in a row. Get your engine case checked and replaced if needed!
GREAT informations - makes sense after replacing main bearings and still failing. How do you like your Beta you got a 300 correct?
So the RCA process was incomplete. Not sure what happens at the Beta factory but a good process failure and effects analysis would consider the bearing installation procedure and what could happen when overheating the casing during bearing installation. Anyway, some musings from some that had the bearing failure AND is a professional quality/manufacturing engineer. For what it's worth we have another over 35 hours on ours after the replaced bearing.
Currently on the 250. Both are good. I prefer the 250. If you weigh over 200 pounds buy the 300 and as someone mentioned the 300 is worth more money when you sell it used.
Rode a 250 GAS GAS EC and 300 EC, Latter is the bomb ! And iv ridden 250 all my life !
I was a sheep and joined the 4 stroke revaluation after 28 years on 2 stroke MX and enduro bikes .
The maintenance required on the 4 strokes gets very annoying and it isn't cheap for the high quality oil they require.
My 4 stroke needed two oil filters per service .
For me now it would always be a two stroke OR if it was four stroke it would be old school style where services are in the thousands of miles NOT 8 hours use
Why i went XR650L and not CRF, also next bike is the 300, i miss 2 strokes!
@@Jesus_Christ_is_alive two strokes are amazing fun
im rocking a new sx250 with a flywheel, weight, gnarly pipe, and geared up a few teeth in the rear. has been smoking single track. few changes and its track worthy also!
250 is the best bike. people buy the 300 cause they watch them in extreme enduro but lets face it few riders can take advantage of the 300 but we all suffer from their disadvantages. except if the rider is older than 40 or overweight...
I've got a '19 TC250 MX bike. There is a sand pit with some fairly big/steep hills. Hitting them in 3rd I have no issues. Even if my front wheel sinks in and I loose speed, it has the torque to pull me up the hill.
I found a good deal on an xc250 and love it. Then I got an RR300 because I can plate it. I love them both. Xc250 is fast and snappy RR300 is smooth and will pull stumps. I love them both. Life is good.
Just went from a old rm125 up to a2017 TM 250. Man it’s got a lot of torque. I don’t think a 300 is really necessary. Plus it has the map switch so I’m riding in the mild mode most of the time anyway. It’s deff much harder to corner than my 125 though so I would say that rotational mass theory holds true
I just went to pick up a gas gas 300 yesterday. The salesman actually talked me out of it and told me to get the 250 because he had ridden both and there wasn't much difference. But the price difference was $700. So I got the 250 and I love it. Broke it in today. Kind of reminds me of the two strokes of old. I also got the cross-country version instead of Enduro version. Where I ride it's more open. Love the suspension! I weigh 230 lbs and it has no lack of power.
Good to hear, Keith. My brother and I bought brand new Shercos and he opted for the 250 and loves it. I can see why, it has so much grunt compared to 250s of old.
I own a 2014 250 XC. You can tune the powervalve even on the older models to be completely linear. I don't feel a hit at all. But man, that scream up top!
Very good comparison from a better than average rider.
Thank you!
No problem 👍
I don't know why all these old video's are showing up on my front page now. But to me, as you said, it is all up to the rider. I've seen people on 125 kick the crap out of people on 400 2 strokes, just because they were way lighter and quicker. But in my opinion it is 70% rider and 30% bike. So my best advise is to learn the bike you have and use it to the best of it's abilities. Just my thought. And the old beasts were fun to try and control.
TH-cam algorithm. 😒 So many viewers have said despite subscribing AND ticking that little bell for notifications that they were rarely seeing my vids over the past two years and views were dropping. I've been posting less lately as a result, I wonder if this is TH-cam's way of trying to get me to post weekly again? But it's definitely the rider, not the bike in most cases! Although all the manufacturer advertising will try and tell us it's the other way around lol!
@@crosstrainingenduro Just can't understand why they are all at least a year old, nothing from this year.
Tbh id rather a 250 because i like to keep the wheel to the sky and the rpm high :)
Go the 150 most fun you'll have on 2 wheels
Well addressed subject !. Very true on the 300's, but I want MORE !!!!
I would love a 350 two stroke Paul! Wonder if we'll ever see one....
@@crosstrainingenduro Perhaps can stroke one; may need a little trenching (or not. I have doubts can bore out that far. Perhaps a combination of the two ?.
- Should I buy a 250 or 300 dirt bike?
- Yes, you should! Do it, now!!!
I use to have a 250 exc when I was younger. Great bike. I got out of riding for a while. Now I have a 501FE. However, if I was going back into racing or hard enduro I would probably buy one of the 200's out.
It would be good to redo this video soon and incorporate the 200 as well....
Get a 275 problem solved :|
Ya this I big brain time
I love my cr80, not even kidding. Have a 450 too but 80s more fun. Where are these trails!
What about 200?? I LOVE all the 200s I ride.... hahaha it's that old thing hey. Each to their own and you need to ride them!!
yep, this was strictly answering a much requested topic from supporters joe. keen to try a 200 myself!
Yea people that don't give them a thought are missing out, I upgraded to a 250 because the 200 was to much work to ride fast on certain tracks but its a great bike for turn tracks, if it has the low end power to get you up the hills your doing without working it to hard its a fun bike in slow technical stuff as well as its just so easy to throw around.
Beta 200 RR
I got a 300 but 200s are great single track bikes with plenty of power
I'm getting the brc 500 twostroke 😏 I'll let you review it when it's done 🤗
sweet! i reported on riding a KX500 in one of the supporter vids. i'd be super keen to see some of the manufacturers move to 350 for that bit of extra grunt. 500 models would just be icing on the cake. 😎
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS I will need to start a piggybank to get you the ticket to Norway tho. All of my money went into the BRC 😂 ALL of it 😅
or just ship it over to here. you'd get it back. eventually. maybe.
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS 🤔
Correct answer, 125, ringing out a 125 is probably my favorite thing to do on a dirtbike.
Three year old 300 RR - still feelin the love !
Same, nothing but smiles
300 it is... well done. Linear power please. For trail riding.
After riding for the last 25 years,just got the tpi gas gas 300 , coming from my 92 Yamaha wr 200 which is exceptionally competent
That's a big step up, Ruari! Hopefully the TPI will be trouble-free, if it's not we've done a recent vid on common TPI problems. If it's a 2021 model we strongly suggest getting the dealer to make sure it has the 'extreme' map to ensure more oil use.
You guys are super cool, in my oppinion as long as you get out and ride thats wat mater, but be realistic about it dount get in a big and poweful bike if your skills are not that god ....
Keith I love ya work, when ya learn to ride buy a 250, thats gold..
Your videos are fantastic!! I watch some a few times
I bought a 01 ktm 380 about a year ago to try out as a second bike. Best decision I've ever made 10/10 would recommend over a 300 or a 250.
My brother had one when they came out and loved the grunt. It's interesting that none of the Europeans have bored out their 300 models to something like a 350... I wouldn't mind a bit of extra grunt!
@@crosstrainingenduro It certainly brings some excitement to the party whenever the trails open up!
Guys are all the time adding flywheel weight to 250s to tame the motor some. 300? Maybe out west in the wide open trails.
I upgraded an 07 300XC to a !7 250 XC and I miss my 300. there is a big difference in riding them and i had to retrain myself. I feel like it is more work and hits harder. More shifting, wheel spin, and miss the grunt. I think the 300 makes you lazy and I'm 50 years old so i like lazy. i miss my 300
Only 2 stroke I had was my RGV250. Guessing these motors aren't really like that?
I wanted a 300 tpi but all where sold out so I got a 250 tpi with a discount, bought gear for the difference and I’m super happy 😃. I’m a lightweight dude so I imagine grunt and power per kg is better on my setup than my buddy and his 300, in all rpm ranges 😉.
Got to ride a beta 200rr what a nice bike
Great review I really liked the the way you sprinklered in the old dirt bike adds great new school verse old school thanks for the post
great job, informative and funny!
Thanks Eric 😊
I mean a 250 motocross bike(what I ride aka a 2002 cr250r) still makes more power than the enduro 300 and 250
Both great..slight edge to 300. Would like a 200 rr too and a carbed 15’ 500 RS too... and a 15’ 430 race edition too!! Does thatcover it?? Yea close enough..wait maybe a new Holcombe replica 300 and a 250 race edition Chile with the ohlins..
I love my 6000SUX.... It really rips
let me just say, and I know this is a 2stroke video but my first dirtbike is a 4stroke WR250FK and all we do is trail riding, single track, and enduro. It's really killing it and I've gone from never riding a real dirtbike and having no clue what I was doing to riding with dude's who have ridden for 20yrs in only 2 rides. It's more about the rider than the bike, but if I just went and bought a 250 or 300 2smoker I'd have gotten myself into some hairy situations with accidental whiskey throttle I think, not that I didn't anyway but i didn't get hurt so it's fine hahaha. But I am currently saving up for the Yamaha Yz250x 2stroke right now.
I also changed my gearing from 13t and 50t, to 11t and 53t and that made my bike much more of a crawler for the technical stuff, along with an FMF q4 slip on pipe it feels much much much better than stock. With the power tuner and competition ecu I imagine it'd be even better than it is now and that would be crazy to me
I ended up going for a 2018 Sherco SE-R 250 6 days as I've always ridden 250's and I got a great deal oh and the fact they didn't have any 300 6 days models left but I'm convinced it was the right choice as it was the only choice. I don't think I'm being all that convincing am I. Oh well she's a beast and plenty powerful for me haven't really had to give it too much clutch as the aggressive map seems to open her up sooner and I probably haven't had it in any truly technical spots.
Love to try one, if you could find one.
Do live near Ohio?
@@markmtbrider Nah mate, I'm a fair way from Ohio I'm in Australia!
@@brownsworthy7323 if only I was I independently wealthy, would love to winter down under.
@@markmtbrider yeah, we've got pretty nice winters were I am no snow or black ice on the roads just a bit of rain and plenty of sunshine!
I used to have good over rev... I used to have good low end grunt... Now I just lug around at low revs. Oh wait, you were talking about motorcycles...!
I’ve got a 300. Tons of low torque. I only trail ride so usually I don’t get out of 3rd gear. It has more top end than I could ever use I need to dial the power valve down honestly. But blipping the throttle to raise the front end is really nice for log crossing and rarely stalling in low rpms is really nice. I haven’t had a 250 but I’m not sure I want something smaller even though I think about a smaller bike sometimes just cause I’ve had my bike try and buck me off when I was pretending to be McGrath around my trials. lol.
I know the feeling... occasionally the grunt of the 300 can actually be a bit too much. E.g. muddy conditions. But overall I'm a 300 2T addict!
Can you see if one of the gumby,s can try out the new YZ 250 X,,, supposed to have a power band suited for trails,
we did a non-review of the YZ250X....
I like 250s. When I'm lugging it I don't want a bunch of power. I'm riding low in the revs because I'm tired and trying to ride smooth
I am amazed when I jump on a buddies late model 250, so smooth off the bottom for finding traction that can be blown out on the 300.
Kdx 220 still is hard to beat 1st and 2nd gear trails.
i rode a KDX250 some time back in the 1990s, what a sweet engine! it would be awesome to see kawasaki update the design and bring it back but the japanese seem to be stuck in a rut with their enduro models. 😢
@@crosstrainingenduro any word or experience with the YZ250X? I've heard good things.
Wish me luck, I hope I'm making the right decision- I'm about to go try/ buy a '18 300 XC-W and I just hope I can get it to make power the way I want it to (Hard 2t hit at mid to high revs, while remaining "luggable"/ torqey and stall resistant down low) I know it's possible because I've ridden a couple bikes that had that perfect balance...
My first bike was a 1996 Yamaha WR-250 (smoker) that I bought off eBay modded by the previous owner, and I must have gotten lucky because it was PERFECT. Long gears + heavy flywheel and extremely capable down at low speeds/ RPM on rocks/ mud/ hills/ twisties, while the top half to third of the RPM range was snappy and brutal. It was like having 2 different bikes, both the best in their class for their perspective rolls, combined into one perfect package. It was Definitely my favorite bike SO FAR. MY second favorite was my friend's RMX 250 which was very similar in power delivery but just wasn't quite as powerful. I haven't ridden anything else that scratches that itch (I do have very limited dirt bike experience tho), everything else has either been too peaky/ weak down low (YZ 125/ 80) and/ or too tall for me to ride on the trails (RM 250). I sold my RM 250 after a few months because I realized MX bikes don't do great on our tight east coast trails with that tall first gear and light flywheel (always stalling out and constant clutch slipping. It was all or nothing). I also didn't like how I thought it felt exactly like a 4 stroke in power delivery.
🤞 that I'll be able to get the 300 XC-W to run like a modern lighter version of my old WR-250 without having to do anything to extreme.
Well, I got it. I didn't get to really ride it yet, but during the test ride I already realized the suspension is on a much higher level than anything I've ridden before.
KTM often got their suspension to work well, but then WP would decide to try something different and it would take a few years to get it right again. They seem to go through these loops for some unknown reason. The worst was the 4CS and air fork debacles which they scrapped pretty quickly.
@@crosstrainingenduro That's really good to know for future reference...
I thought I wouldn't like the stiffer springs (Race Tech iirc) added by the previous owner but it feels great so far. Admittedly, I'm not an advanced rider and most of the bikes I've ridden are 10+ years older, so I can't say anything more than I love it.
it's taken me 20 years to realize I'm in first and 2nd gear in single track , I could probably get by with a 150 !!
I rode a Beta RR125 in some tight single track a few years back... wow. It was hard staying the powerband but my lap times were way quicker than on my RR300.
@@crosstrainingenduro try a 200. Same power and weight of a 125 but lots more torque and can lug pretty good. One the best all around bikes imo. Can have screaming top end but also very controllable lugging bottom end.
I got a Yamaha but the power valve is wild
IT 490, now there's a widow maker !!
But lets be honest here #1 bike kdx 220r
yes. but keep it quiet or everyone will turn green....
If kawa would have only had the vision to make another generation or 2 .....especially with the love of hard enduro sweeping the moto scene.
Everyone seems to like the 200 more
@@devengoyette1497 the 200 from my experience was a faster machine odly enough but the 220 was perfect for single track had enough bottom end.
alexei fedoroschuktait they are both great bikes I just prefer the 200 I have mx forks on mine and some engine mods and it’s great
You're absolutely right. My KTM 300 TPI lugs like a tractor 🚜. Better to have to much power than not enough. Love the vids. Keep up the good work
I am on a 530 exc 4 stroke, but would love a 300 2 stroke, but the money is the thing stopping me from moving over.
The price of new ones is a deterrent for many, Destry. I guess the good news is that with less things to go wrong with the engine there are less risks with a secondhand one?
I do both 250 4 stroke n 300. 2 smoke. Both KTM
I went from a 690 Enduro to a 300 XCW. Still feels like I’m riding a mountain bike.
I'd say !
Would like your opinion on the XC W 150!? Greetings from Azores, i'm a fan of your humor and perspective!
unfortunately never ridden one... or even seen one around here
I’ve owned both and love both the 250 will do everything the 300 will do it’s just the 300 does easier
I have a 230 4 stroke and she serves me great
how did you get a pic of my Suzuki PE?
speaking of power valves, when are they going to put a turbo on a 2 stroke?
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hi mate just sub...that was the best review ive seen in a long time(funny and info). On another note i think ive got the balls for the 300 but i havent used them in a long time and am considering another 2 stroke. Have invested 2500 on me husq - how ever the rest of that is spelt te610e 1998 sick but heavy 117kg and want to upgrade. Still keeping me 610. will have to ride both and i hope i can handle the 300:)cheers
good thing with the 300s is you can usually turn them into pussycats with the power valve and mapping switch. 😊
Thanks for doing this. Best enduro channel for muppet heads.
Great review. Cheers
best comparison yet ;;;
Politicians all of ya TH-camrs!! Lol. Just frickin bawls up and say it. PC has no place. Enjoying the videos.
Please someone help I can’t rap my brain around a 125cc 2 stroke or the 250cc 4 stroke or the 300cc 2 stroke can someone please recommend which one is better did beginners, thank you!
I will tell you the best way to choose- If your body weight is above 180 pound then go for 300cc, if you are less than 180 pound go for 250cc.