LINEA MICRA - La Marzocco Just Killed The Mini
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ค. 2024
- La Marzocco just dropped their brand new home espresso machine the Linea Micra. This espresso maker has essentially the exact same features and even looks suspiciously like the original Linea Mini. So the question is, what sets these two espresso machines apart that makes up their $2,000 price gap?
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[1:27] LINEA MICRA & THE MINI
[3:31] PERFORMANCE OVERVIEW
[4:19] QUIRKS & DOWNSIDES
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Great Review! I was leaning towards the Micra and you did a good job of providing some extra details and measurements that really helped with my decision. TY
Great video!!! I just got my LM earlier this year along with the Niche as it was my grail home set up and I love the machine. As you said in the video I never thought to myself that I wish it was smaller. I think the business move was smart and to really tap into a market segment that would otherwise be left to the likes of ECM and Rocket. If this was available last year when I purchased the ECM Syncronika, I may have never owned the Syncronika. Overall I think we will start seeing more La Marzocco users pop up which is great for brand recognition from a company that has been such a staple in the industry.
Thank you! And yeah I think even though the price is still high this could bring more people into the LM game, so that’s a win on its own. And it’s not super far off price wise from the ECM, Rocket, or Lelit.
I really appreciate this video as I ordered the Micra because it appears to be the perfect machine for me. (I’m currently using a Rocket Mozzafiato R.) While the Decent is intriguing, I don’t relish the Android data/tech overload first thing in the morning before coffee. I also have space - especially height - constraints in my city kitchen, so the Micra is the first La Marzocco machine that will fit in my space. Honestly, I don’t mind having to use the app to control temperature; in fact, to me it seems more convenient and precise as I always have my iPhone nearby.
However, I don’t think the Mini will disappear as it’s still a great catering tool.
Thanks for doing this informative video. I am a mini owner and very pleased with the video coverage you did on the Micra. I hope they don't get rid of the mini for catering, wedding and shops. The mini offers a fair price for big production in my opinion. Regardless to that I am shocked that the weight is only a small difference. That's crazy!
I don't think It will kill the mini, I think the mini is still king in the light comercial setting, like small bakery centric cafes
You're exactly correct, that said, I can't wait for get one for my home.
I agree with your analysis & I just bought the Micra in white & love it 😊
@@bellavista643 where did you buy it how much?
But that’s why they have the linea classic 1 group
I would have got a mini but it was the price. As a long time Silvia user I updated to the Silvia pro x for $2k. I agree they are trying to lower price to compete with the prosumer dual boiler market, but the plastic snap on crap is unacceptable at $3900
Yeah, I get you. The cap doesn’t feel premium that’s for sure. I like the idea, and understand the reasoning, but it just doesn’t do it for me in the long run.
Honestly, 90% of people just toss the spouted portafilters in favor of a bottomless for home use anyways, so that's kindof a moot point. Those 90% of people are just going to do the same thing now, but instead of an entire portafilter, it'll just be a piece of plastic that ends up in the back of the junk drawer. Less waste and overall usability for people who are going to be using their machines is a good move in my book.
@@totallynotserious that's a fair point, thumbs up
@@totallynotserious True, personally I like the feedback that the bottomless provides.
@@totallynotserious In that case, they should send the machine with a bottomless filter and offer a metal adapter for those who want it. The plastic is absurd, especially on a premium machine.
Hey Spro! Looks like a really well-done machine and the heat up times are certainly impressive. For me, that really scratches the itch for a beautiful, yet efficient home machine that's not too much of a computer (i.e. not a Decent). That said, there is one giant reason that makes we not want to get one and that is the login requirement for the app. Having no temperature control on the machine itself is almost a deal-breaker by itself, but hiding it behind an additional server that makes me dependent on LM's good will really doesn't sit right with me. Time will tell whether that is enough to keep me off the Micra (it is soooo tempting) but for now I'm managing to resist.
Yeah, thats like planned obsolescence for a machine costing and build to last multiple decades.
What would you buy instead, besides the Decent or Lelit? Thanks!
Yeah I’m with you. The app is a nice addition but it shouldn’t be a requirement for basic functionality like temperature adjustments. And to be honest, the app itself can be pretty spotty and finicky so there isn’t always a guarantee it’ll work. But that said the machine is solid, and I’m sure you’d be happy with it in terms of what it can produce.
@@Sprometheus, I often call myself a nerd, looking for cool gadgets to makes my homeofe easier. My automatic vacuum is a life saver. That does mean I want a computer operating every appliance in my home. A fridge works just fine without a video camera and monitor on the door. This goes for small appliances like a coffee/espresso machine. An alarm clock to start the brew is more than enough, and possibly a lazy automatic espresso machine is fine too.
@@Sprometheus
100%. When I bought my Mini, one of the big incentives is that it’s a “buy it for life” kind of machine. Who knows if this app will still be around in 20+ years.
I expect that they will keep the Mini for pop up stands and small commercial locations.
Personally, I chose the Mini over its competitors for the 3.5L boiler. I don’t have large gatherings often, but love being able to smash the drink service around the holidays. That said, the Mini is a really big machine for the home counter. The “Meecra” is a much friendlier size.
But I’m keeping my Mini. 😎
Yeah, I’d say if the Mini stays it should be a LM commercial offering over a home option.
I disagree. Particularly when you see the structure of their commercial machine options. You have EE (manual on or off for brewing), AV (auto volumetric), ABR (Auto brew ratio/integrated scales) and MP (Manual paddle). Both the micra and the mini are EE machines. They wont coexist for long IMO.
The GS3 with its volumetrics (AV) is much better suited for commercial applications along with larger steam and coffee boilers. If you decide you want to emphasize quality in a commercial environment over workflow, get the GS3 MP to be able to pressure profile.
The mini is likely going to be phased out as a result, just like they're doing with the Linea Classic in favor of the Classic S. And besides, if people can rock events and popups with a breville dual boiler, the Micra will be more than enough for a lot of those contexts.
Or they’ll just push those customers towards a GS3?
@@nichj487 - The Mini is about $2,000 cheaper than the GS3 and might be better for transport. The knobs are a bit exposed, but everything else is within “the box.” The GS3 steam wand and group head are a bit exposed.
I can see the volumetric version being good for cranking out the drinks thought. I used to have a Livia 90 volumetric, and it worked surprisingly well before we all fell in love with scales.
The Mini is a real tweener though. It’s kinda home and kinda pro. But I kind of like that about it. I have no desire to downsize to the Micra. But shopping new today, I’m not sure that I would have saved up the additional funds for the Mini.
@@JonFairhurst All solid points. I’ve used my Linea Mini for some commercial events, and it’s definitely easier to transport than something like a GS3. I kinda wish they’d do a redesign of the Mini, and replace the paddle with the 3-button setup used on the Linea PB.
Best review I’ve seen compared with the rest out there. I don’t like it as much as the mini but it’s okey, they kept the essential parts and they reduced the price a little bit. It’s fine
100% agree from a business perspective makes total sense. This will compete more directly against the Profitecs, ECMs, Rockets etc. and offer build and prestige at a slight premium. The Mini is now too expensive sitting on its ow in the market.
as a Linea Mini user, the short steam wand, and the short space under the spouts make the micra a non viable option from a design point of view for me. I already struggle with cups selection if I want to pour a double shot or a milk based drink on a scale.
Raising the front part of the machine (or the whole unit except the cup holder plate to fit under more cabinets) would have made it a more compelling offer as it would have solved both issues. On top of that, the plastic bottom of the portafilter will push most people to buy a standard full metal one , increasing therefore the already high price for a home appliance. Lelit, Rocket and other E61 brands are probably offering more compelling prossumer espresso options at this point, with lower prices. I think it calls for a rethink of the mini in terms of usability and functionality rather than the death of this range. A lowered or shallower drip tray (or even better a drip tray with an adjustable hight like a lowrider) with an active control paddle could be a way to differenciate the mini from the micra. But as it is, the micra feels like a small sensor Leica camera. The recent red and white limited edition of the mini also feels like a safari edition of the same Leica cameras. It is more about milking the logo than steaming the milk. I am not sure about this strategy.
Sure, the Micra is going to cannibalize some (a lot of?) Mini sales, but I think that it's going to capture significantly more sales that would have gone to machines from other manufacturers. The Mini will be more niche, but will stick around in that small cafe/coffee cart market.
I think there is some truth to that. The Micra may bring in more folks that maybe wrote of LM to begin with, but the enthusiast market I think will end up maybe going to a different machine due to lack of control. The Mini itself would be better suited to move over to the commercial side of LM and be sold by them and not home.
Absolutely agree. I know two people who have been pining for a Mini for years, but always saw it as being too large for their domestic kitchens. They both bought Micras this week.
I'm in that group. The MINI was just a little too big for my aesthetics (DownTown TownHouse), always felt a little "unnecessary" in terms of features to explain its size (pulling commercial all day) etc ... I'm this Machine's Market, my lever is an Olympia Cremina, overpriced for nothing more than quality, pleasure, and aesthetics. I chose the Cremina for build, quality of parts, reputation, the company, unique aesthetics, and personal pleasure of use. I would chose a MICRA for build, quality of parts, reputation, the company, unique aesthetics, and personal pleasure of use. Is it all logic, nope. Am I a client where LM has canibalized itself, no, because I just couldn't bring myself to get the LMLM despite being exposed to it several times. I'm a a client they've gained, not displaced.
Yep…I was looking at a Bianca V3 in white which is $3500 US… now Micra is in same ball park. Do I want one of many E61 machines out there or a one of a kind? The warm up and ease of using an app on my phone rather than toggling through a tiny lcd screen is also huge. People complain about lack of flow but now with programmable low flow… winner!
Thank you for the video!
is linea mini holder compatible with linea micra? do they have the same brew groups?
Excellent review as well as being insightful.
I just ordered a Mini for Pantechnicon Design with wood, paint, Brass, etc. I am still good with the decision. These options with take custom houses some time to react with these items for the new micra. And the clearance would be frustrating. And when we have people over, we can do 6-10 back to back milk based drinks.
I think they’ll release a new Mini at some stage in the next few years with new features that push it up the price scale a bit more, and increase the differentiation with the Micra.
That’s possible. But at what point does a mini with more features and a higher price begin to cannibalize the GS3? I think it would better suit the business to have distinctly different units in terms of price/features.
Programmable profiling, like the VA E1
What’s the brand of glassware you have on top of the Linea micra? I’ve been searching for them like crazy 😅
I have wrestled with this for a bit ever since it came out. The price on the Micra is a huge win. However, the size of the Linea Mini, and the space that it takes is truly a sight to behold when I wake up first thing in the morning. Though both are technically the same, I’m leaning towards the Linea Mini as my home machine just because of how beastly it looks
Yes! Big Bold Beautiful:)
I second that
Micra > everything!
Great video and thank you for posting it. I have a 20 month old Linea Mini, sadly this is its 4th breakdown, packed in again at Christmas😢. My machine has had a new board, numerous problems with water overheating, engineer blamed the LM app!, eventually it went away for 2, yes 2 months for repair. On Christmas Eve it popped all the power in my house, checked trip switches, coffee machine socket, machine won’t heat now, checked all resets, none have popped at all. Sadly LM are closed till the 9th of January, by the time it’s all repaired, I’m not expecting it to be back till February, I think it’s been a Friday afternoon build, really disgusted by this machine.
Keep up the good work, I just love your videos, maybe you could recommend a good reliable machine for me?.
Kind regards
Johnny
Great video man! Loved that transparent overlay shot with the milk jug. The price is a big difference, but I just don't like the plastic knobs and slider. The wood accents are much nicer imo. That's probably fixable real quickly on Etsy sooner than later I guess.
Thank you as always for the good review. If I had some extra Cash an Space I would buy one, but sadly I have nether of two. I will have to make my Espresso with my good little Delonghi Dedica. Keep up your good work my friend.
Hey if it works it works! Thanks for watching and the kind words my friend!
The Lines Micra is at an enticing price! The one thing that puts me off is the black polymer attachments. Was wondering if the Micra takes the standard portafilter that goes with the Linea Mini and the Classic? Oh and that small steaming wand.
I'll Have to start a savings strategy... found my goal machine.
Could you tell me if there is any difference in steam and hot boiler tanks? If I want to use them for commercial purposes which one should I buy? I have a linea mini so I am very curious
Great review. Thanks. Do you plan to review Strada EP 1 group or Leva X 1 group machines in the future ?
I’d love to put those side by side. I’ll see if LM will even talk to me after this one hah.
@@Sprometheus I think your opinion is well justified ,cause I also think there was not a demand for a smaller machine other than a Linea Mini rather than for it to be cheaper.But I sure hope they wouldn't.
I wouldn’t mind this but I love my Rocket and the spout is on the left side (I’m left-handed). This would be comparable with an Appartmento except I would prefer a shot clock. The low clearance of the portafilter spout is also a concern as taller cups will come into contact when you remove it.
That basket flex at 0:13 is 🤯
Thank you for the review. I was wondering the difference between the two. Micra would probably be in alot more peoples price point.
Great content. As I understand your point, the technical differences between the Mini and the Micra are not worth the price difference of 2k. Two questions: 1. what if the difference would „only“ be 1k (what will happen next week here in Germany)? 2. You didn’t mention the fact that you likely won‘t be able to buy the Micro at your favourite dealer. Isn’t that a big disadvantage in your opinion? Thanks a lot!
I'll stick to my mini for the cup clearance, and its proven ability to handle small cafe, back to back brew flow. Micra is definitely interesting, but at the moment, I'm not replacing my mini with it.
Yeah I see this machine for someone on a smaller budget
The cup clearance is identical
Depends, I usually make several milk based drinks at a time so I need lots of space on the tray and on the cup heater (top). That's one of the reasons I choose my mini. But the mini is a big machine. If I was low in counter space the micra would be great.
what arre the black matt cups you have on the machine? Love the all black look
Going to take a Devil's Advocate posture here. I predict they will pivot and present the Mini as a small shop commercial unit. Which will allow the higher MSRP. The Micra then slips in more comfortably as a true middle/high home barista machine. Conceivably the long game plan from the start. As an entrepreneur of over 35 years, I like it 👌🏻
Yeah I’m with you, if there is a place for the Mini in LMs lineup in the future it’ll be on LM’s commercial side and not for home.
The funny things is that it's not even small for a commercial, single group machine.
In My Country where the Mini is way too expensive for home use, Small Cafe is where its at, I see sooo many of them, and They're very capable as that. The Micra will not be able to keep up after a certain number of drinks for light commercial use. What I wish is a cheaper version of GS3 where users can do either flow or pressure profiling under $4000.
good point to the point review. How about this scenario for the future of these machines - So micra takes mini spot, LM add profiling (pressure or volume) to the mini (as the paddle is already there) and charge more, and then add much more to the GS3 (I don't have it so not sure what all they could add to that but I am sure they can add more to it) and then charge more for that as well..
Came to the comments to say the same thing. A big reason I didn't go with an LMLM or GS3 is that LM keeps their home capable machines super behind in the latest features. I couldn't justify the cost for a machine that felt less capable than competitors at similar price points.
Digging your content dude! Thanks for sharing your POV. Question for ya: your black version looks like " black on black" at 0:38. I wonder if this was a set up reflecting a black background or there is a "Black On Black" Linea Micra on the market ?
Thank you. And no, this is just the standard Micra with the stainless backsplash, though I'm sure you can powder coat that too.
Might have missed this, but have there been thorough tests on thermal stability of both the head and the steam on a consistent basis? Thanks!
Kaffeemacher did this (German / Swiss channel). Result: it's stable 😀
You said it though with the real difference being the mini can be used in a commercial environment and most likely is more tolerant of daily usage as the micra was most likely designed to pull a few shots per day max the mini can be used shot after shot for 8 hours straight. It is probably a reliability and longevity design difference.
Can you use a standard Portafilter in this machine?
Do you think there's space to do a Drain Tray Mod to move the scale into the tray?
Thank you. Most thoughtful take on the Micra that I have watched. Thank you. Temp via Bluetooth only seems weird (to me). Will be interesting to see if other manufacturers/OEM bring similar portafilter to market. Maybe I should do some research on possible for alternative shots (London, styles etc) that can be done.
Thanks Alan. And I’m sure there have been a lot of takes, but I can’t help but feel like mine is a little more nuanced having used the Mini for so long and really being able to look at them separately.
I will be curious to see how/if the convertible portafilter catches on. I have to be honest, I’m no clamoring to get one myself just yet.
What else would you buy if not this? With this being my max budget and caring about esthetic and performance equally. Did they talk about any concept of scale tie in Acacia to stop the flow when reching desired weight?
I've been holding out for your review! Short, succinct, and honest.
Is there a reason to go for the mini anymore?
Appreciably better portafiller to cup/drip tray clearance, larger steam boiler and water reservoir, and ability to keep producing shots with no loss in temperature stability. As a Mini owner, I certainly think the size of the Micra is much more kitchen-friendly. But the compromises they chose in terms of cup clearance (many of us use a scale beneath the cup) and portafilter design give cause for pause. I will wait for more user reviews. My main gripes with my Mini are the size (I have a small kitchen) and the difficultly of performing some basic maintenance. With the Micra, they seen to have improved size and user-friendliness in many ways (including maintenance accessibility) while maintaining the La Marzocco expectations for quality.
@@2deparrish thanks for the great overview. I feel like there have been a few compromises in build quality, with the switch being referred to as "toy-like". When spending that kind of money you're more than bezzera, ECM and profitec, which have no plastic at all (I appreciate it's a different machine styles, however).
Glad there is Micra now😂 I am thinking of saving money for a mini machine in a few years, but now Micra is more affordable. Thanks for your review, very helpful!
In my case I compared Micra vs Mini on La Marzocco local store, ended choose Mini. Mini with larger boiler, better temp stability if make 10 coffee shots (family reunion) and 100% the same commercial internals as other La Marzocco espresso found in coffee shop make me to decide to this wonderful machine. Probably in few years will move to GS3 MP.
I can’t see what type of pump they use for the micra. Is it the same?
And also i notice they use vertical Steam Boiler now.
what interests me is whether the steam on the micra is as efficient and dry as the mini.☺️
Its okayh for cafe? Or suitable for home?
I almost think I should just not comment because - I am not a Mini owner. I will only say that when I buy a machine regardless of price & the nameplate it has to have the ability to control all aspects of the process. (the P.I.D). I would not buy a machine by anyone that I would have to use a cellphone to make adjustments. I get by quite well with my Ascaso machine, and adjustments are a breeze, and it is half the price with no plastic. Thanks for the great review Spro.
I think they will grow the market for this kind of machine. As someone who fell into the rabbit hole of home espresso via a Breville Dual Boiler, the jump in price to a Mini was massive...three times the cost of the Breville DB where I live. The Micra brings all that I would want in a high end machine with less of a jump. But still...$3900 for a machine that won't revolutionize the taste of my coffees, I'll wait until my Breville gives up the ghost before jumping onto this bandwagon.
It’s just sooooooo much sexier than a Breville tho 😂…but that’s what LM is all about right…pride of ownership. It’s like having a Ferrari in the garage…you just like looking at it.
@@jaychu3850 no arguments there! Money no limit...it would be near the top of my list for a beautiful machine.
now it's $5900. yikes
Similar price tag, how does it compare with the Rocket R58 :)
You are right - I have been getting a lot of suggestions from “the algorithm” about the Linea Micra! Is it because I watch your channel religiously and they know I would be interested?!?
Have they modified the flow rate do you know?
Am I crazy to cross shop this with the Silvia pro x? 🤔
There’s no doubting the look of LaMarzocco no matter which one your pocketbook empties out on and the goal is delicious coffee so when you get down to it you are debating cost because machines like the Bianca in tandem with an excellent grinder put out excellent coffee at a fraction of the price and it’s great fun. So I think the debate is over price and style here
Are you still using the Linea? I am about to buy one 😅 you think it is still the best coffee machine for expresso? Thx!
I make a few 14oz lattes every day, how bad is the steam wand? This is holding me back honestly. Also, the clearance... I already struggle to fit a small cortado glass on a scale under my Mara X, what are people pulling a double shot into on a scale under the Micra?
Can you still fit a full size, double spouted, stainless steel, La Marzocco portafilter on the Micra?
Very nice review of this new and interesting machine.
Quick question: If you were to take a standard portafilter assembly from a 'big boy' La Marzocco machine (GS3, Linea, GB5, FB80, etc.), will it lock into the Micra and extract? Looks for one thing like you'd have almost no clearance at all. Looks like 'small cups only.'
What's the biggest La Marzocco (or VST or IMS) basket you can put in the Micra portafilter with a spout? (Else bottomless, I assume?)
With that plastic portafilter quick-change assembly, heat transfer to the plastic part will be poor, so La Marzocco seems to be indicating the temperature of that part has no bearing on the quality of extraction (because the extraction is basically complete at that point).
Don't like the clearance issue, the blue-tooth app being required to set/change temperature, or the plastic portafilter bit.
Yeah you can put any LM portafilter in the Micra, everything group related is the same across the board with LM. In terms of basket size, the biggest I have is 22 and it seems to fit fine, but up to 24 you may issues.
And yeah, the plastic portion gets a little warm, but not hot. I’d say it is true that the extraction has already taken place before it hits the spouts so I don’t think it makes a difference other than heat transfer.
And yeah, the clearance is a pretty big hassle and I found myself having to use shot cups and pour them into my larger cups for cappuccinos, Cortados, etc.
@@Sprometheus Thanks for that - more very useful and candid info!
Hey Spro- Have you seen the Home Barista view?
You answered my question, which was, "What can't be done without the app?" Relying solely on software for any functionality says to me that it's not a lifetime product, not unless they have hired permanent staff to maintain and upgrade the app over the years. And every company that's not a tech company doesn't give me the confidence that they're prepared to maintain software. Big minus points for the Micra, IMO, and so I'd rather swing for the Mini.
Yeah that was a big surprise to me as well. I like the machine, but LM has a lot of work to do with the app. It’s a bit of a cluster and I worry about it’s long term functionality and even daily usability. It took me 10 or so tries on each machine I had (3 at the time) to upgrade the software as the app crashed or failed over and over.
This versus a Decent DE1XL? Thoughts?
Hey bro ive just bought a linea micra after using it it pumps to much water in the group head and my expresso is very watery, any idea why?
I was unable to purchase a La Cimbali Junior DT1 because it required a direct water inlet, thus requiring a water filter, necessitating breaking the wall to get piping were I wanted it.
The La Marzocco Mini would have been the perfect replacement has it had a water tank. But it was too tall to fit underneath the kitchen cabinet where I had space to fit it.
Now with the Micra, I will finally be able to get a La Marzocco....
I agree with everything you say except the linea mini is here to stay. The Micra’s size really just makes it feel like a toy next to the mini. The group clearance is a killer for the pro-sumer enthusiast looking for the closest cafe-at-home experience. I’d love to see the introduction of a manual paddle for the mini but you never know
You want a cafe experience at home, and are a prosumer, and are willing to spend 6k on a machine. Just get a gs3 and never think about it again. Either the AV or the MP depending on your flavor of prosumer.
It’s possible they move the Mini to the commercial side, which I guess isn’t killing it, but more so reincarnation. But I think on the home side it’s on its last legs. But yeah, I think the shrunk down size is purely for a home person who is focused on fitting it into their kitchen, and have bought it long before they realize they can’t fit their mug under it, haha.
@@totallynotserious if you're not pushing huge volume at home, I think a lot of people will choose the Mini over the GS3 on looks alone. I wouldn't want that thing in my kitchen unless it had a very industrial design.
@@veganpotterthevegan gs3 is ugly lol.
The mini is home espresso in its most prestigious form
@@Sprometheus you're so right about the cup clearance! If my calculations are correct, once I insert the timemore 3cm heigh scales, there would only be about 4cm of clearance for the cup to the spout! That's not even enough for a typical single Italian shot espresso cup, let alone a 150ml cappuccino cup (6cm heigh). How could they make such a "mistake"? Are people not weighing their shots anymore? ... Can anyone with an actual micra measure the actual cup clearance please (tray to lower point of spout).
Help needed: I Have been eyeing with a LM linea mini for years now. The new linea micra could be an option but still which would you suggest to go for for a home use? I could handle the price difference. The plastic portafilter sounds strange to be honest. The size of the micra is welcoming as they seemed to put nearly everything from the mini into this
For a home user I would say Micra all day. The only plastic part on the portafilter is the spouts, and they’re removable. If you want a spouted portafilter you can just get a normal one as all the LM portafilter fit.
As one of the few Micra reviews showing an actual shot being pulled and general workflow, i appreciate you lol Serious question/thought though. The micra seems to be written off by many "nO fLoW coNtRol at 4k?! but fail to see what it does offer to the market. I'm curious what other machines occupy the "DB, Rotary pump, full PID controls, serious steam, etc" segment and is NOT AN E61" for less than $5k. All that comes to mind, really, is the Vivaldi series and giving up plumbing you have the Pro 300 and Silva prox types. For those that want a plumbable DB machine without [chrome box] E61 group, the market seems pretty small...
Could LM be getting ready to, instead of "axe" the Mini, update it and capture some of the new niceties of the Micra's design? A Mini refresh, if you will. But perhaps, Asa, you're right. Perhaps LM has increased the price of thier flagship product only to intentionally canabilize it with this new product.
Only time will tell! It’ll be interesting to see how it all comes out!
I've been a Rocket person myself, with my Appartamento now having six years on it with flawless results and only having to do regular work on gaskets, bushings, etc. That said, I think if the Micra stays in the line, which I imagine it will, at the ten year mark it may be time for me to move to this. I really love the look but Marzocco's pricing on the Mini and, ugh, the GS3, have been non-starters. This is much more approachable. Their plan is working.
Yes, I see what you mean. As I used to have the Rocket Appartameto myself. It serves up great tasting coffee. Still: it looks like any other stainless steel machine...Since I bought the Linea Mini, I've never had a single regret. Now I've got an art piece on the kitchen counter:)
I've been waiting for your take, but I'm already sold. It's the perfect machine for me and the way I make my coffee. Just trying to figure out how to get one in Canada. Just throw away those "useless" plastic modular portafilter pieces, add some wood accents and I'm set.
Who wants a plastic porta filter cap! Yuk! Thank you for pointing this issue out!
I have a mini, I have owned it for 2 years. I happen to live in Fort Wayne, IN. And was able to pull a few shots on the new micra at launch. I honestly like it more than my mini. It just seemed better. Specifically, the size for a home countertop is much better. The mini works, but completely fills the space. The micra just works better in the same space. The steam wand is much better, cool to the touch, smoother steam flow.. Frothing was easier and smoother. Pulling a shot was just the same, but all else seemed more simple. I’m a fan. Wish it was around 2 years ago.
Glad you had the chance to test the machine. It is really hard to spend almost $4k on an espresso machine without testing it.
Thanks for the info, I'm leaning towards the Micra
Like the video quite a bit. Strongly considering this purchase. Want a high quality machine that is very easy. Would you suggest looking at any other machines.
This price without flow or pressure control doesn't make sense in the modern espresso prosumer range that this price seems to fit into
I've watched your old videos about Linea Mini and I have a feeling that the price which we have to pay for Linea Micra now is not so much less than the price for Linea Mini few years ago... So we get a smaller espresso machine for almost the same price (more like $1'000 difference) of a bigger one in the pass... Do I see it right? I understand that nowadays the price of an old Linea Mini went up and we will have about $2'000 difference, while comparing the actual prices...
Nice, I hope you got to talk to Dave Bise at LM. Dude is dope and was so helpful when I got my GS3.
Thoughts: How have they released a new machine and still haven't improved the ability to notify you of a low water tank. c'mon! lol
Also, I agree. The micra does have major potential of killing the mini. And maybe that's the plan. Also, in some way it might be a good business move because if the price point deters people from getting the mini, the micra may allow many more people to want to buy in and perhaps turn a greater profit by simply selling more units. And by then, if you want to get a better machine, just going for the GS3 would be the move. A lot of thoughts, but I'm happy to see where this is going.
Yeah Dave has been very helpful. At this point I’ve chatted with nearly everyone on staff at LM home. All solid people.
And yeah, kind of wild they haven’t done away with that water level reminder. But it does tell you on the app too hahah.
@@Sprometheus get this. I bought my GS3 the month before they started selling them as built-in units. I swear to god lmao
Insulated steam wands are actually about keeping milk from overheating. The burn thing while true, isn't the point but was made up by salespeople (reviewers). I'm glad to see that this reviewer correctly referred to the shot paddle as a switch, which it is' even though it, like the mini, only emulates the direct flow control paddle of its biggest brother. Marzocco could just as well be more honest and use a toggle
Thanks a lot, dear
The Mini always suffered from not really being that mini, there appears to be a push to scale all the kit down in size and power consumption.
For sure, I get that. But wonder why they didn’t just shrink the mini and instead a whole new machine…
As an ex Linea Mini owner - The decision to spend $6K on a home espresso machine, making just 2-3 cappuccinos a day was a hard call to make and came after months of research. Watching an endless number of TH-cam videos, reddit threads, etc. The verdict is pretty much unanimous: It's not a financial decision that "makes sense", but it is (almost) the only machine that will relieve that itch of crazy coffee lovers from "wanting more" (Does anyone upgrade from a Mini to a GS3 or a Rocket R Nine One?). It gives you peace of mind. It's repeatedly referred to as an "end-game" machine.
I think that cutting the price by $2K, makes this a much more sensible buy, and even if it will cannibalize 90% of mini sales (for commercial use you still want the Mini...), it's much more likely to make more revenue for La Marzocco in the long-term, because although more expensive, it can now compete with the ECM Synchronika, Rocket R58, and others in that price range. (As a side-note, I find it kinda (just kinda) similar to how Tesla started with the Roadster, to sponsor the production of the Model S, followed by the more accessible Model 3).
I think the insulated steam wand, and the detachable water tank are excellent upgrades. I believe this is an *excellent* business decision by La Marzocco, and if nothing else, a decision that will soooo many coffee lovers happy.
If in the end you're not buying any new machine, that decision makes sense. Bought GCP, aimed Lelit Bianca, got Lelit Bianca, now ogling at this beauty. I don't have the budget (just yet), but had I have it, LMLM would be my very first pick. Second best was VA E1 Prima. The only (so I've heard) disadvantage for LMLM is its price. So technically if you got one, it's not a disadvantage anymore, you're pretty much set for the lifetime of the machine.
That’s my case. I’ll definitely buy a Micra and my main reason is due to space constraints.
@@flare9612 I've recently purchased the Lelit Bianca, also have the La Pavoni Europiccola with the pressure gauge kit. Would you seriously consider a machine w/o the pressure kit after having played with the Bianca (for example)? R9 One would be the next step for me (I enjoy playing with the paddle), the GS3 seems a bit ugly and outdated (but that's subjective). Maybe for capuccinos any 9bar machine would work fine...
@@andreyartsisheuski1011 honestly not really. Idk why having a pressure paddle isn't something that i appreciate. Maybe my skill is not up there yet. That being said, LMLM doesn't actually offer anything of significant value compared to Bianca. So most probably I will not upgrade anymore. My budget will next go to my grinder.
@@flare9612 i've been making very pleasant shots on both the La Pavoni and the Bianca at 4..6 bars - with long and accurate preinfusion (10-15 sec easily).
And I support the idea with upgrading the grinder - waiting for my DF83 to arrive! Using a manual one (JE Plus) for now.
Do you know that the ad at the start of the video is Clooney promoting Nespresso ? 😂
I was looking forward to your opinion, not disappointed.
La Marzocco had the opportunity with the Linea Micra to engineer a proper paddle to regulate pre-infusion. Instead, we get the same old paddle that's a simple on/off switch. People love the Linea Mini but the number one complaint about it is the fake paddle. La Marzocco could've improved the Micra but decided not to. Competition has grown exponentially. Big mistake. Still, it will be great to see custom Micra's by Specht Design.
THIS!^^^. The serious home espresso market has divided into Lever or Flow control, LM making a brand new top end price (check out ECM) machine that does neither is pointless. Did LM actually check what the most common mods were to their machines after market? No, a fully functioning FC paddle á la GS3 is the option punters want. Sometimes the Italians do my head in making machines that only suit their preferred dark roast coffees. FFS!
This Micra is very desirable. However, I can hardly understand why the PID (with chronometer) is not integrated at this price. By the way, can you know the temperature of the boilers in real time with the app ?
The micra is beautiful, but imo the Decent just wins at this price point. More programmable settings and longer steam wand. Someone who wants cafe consistency will love this machine though.
I’m with you. If you want functions the Decent wins, but it doesn’t that over nearly any machine. I think this one is in its own market, similar price point or not.
@@Sprometheus this is true. You cannot beat the aesthetics and build quality of a la marzoco machine.
A lot of great things, especially the heating time but without flow profile or pre-infusion, it is too expensive!
Well it does have pre-infusion, but only if it’s plumbed in and on the application. But there are a lot machines that have more functionality that’s for sure.
I’ve never had an appreciation for the La Marzocco aesthetic, and that continues here. That said, the quality of espresso is the goal. Sadly I’ve not tried the brand for myself. If it’s better than my Quick Mill (and I had a whopping 3900 laying around, which I don’t) I might be persuaded to switch. Just will have to figure out how to not look at the thing every morning😅
Yeah I’d say their aesthetic isn’t for everyone, I much prefer it to the E61 style machines but to each their own.
In terms of quality of espresso it’s solid, but I can’t imagine leagues better than most other units with a rotary pump and some solid components.
Agree with you. At this price I'd much rather have my ECM Synchronika Dual Boiler with flow control. My guess is they make equally good shots, if the ECM isn't perhaps better with flow control. And I've never like the LM design esthetic or the water reservoir under the machine. So my bottom line is: BFD!
@@Sprometheus do you think rotary pump improves the quality of the shots compared to vibration pumps?
Had a Quick Mill. Nice machine and decent coffee, but the saturated group on the Linea Mini/Micra and the powerful, dry steam (at least on my Mini) are head and shoulders above the Quick Mill. The difference between good and great.
The price makes this machine really unattractive to me. I know people will point to build quality, but there's plenty of well built machines out there that have way more features that cost a lot less than this thing.
That’s one way of looking at it, to be sure. I’m probably in your camp. But certainly there is a market of folks who were willing to buy the Mini at $2k more, and this will seem to them like a massive discount.
Basically this or a Decent, I can't see any reason to get this over a Decent
I agree. If I could afford 4k for a would have gladly spend the bit more for the mini. Unless I have no space for the mini. Moreover I hate the steam wand on the micra. Won’t ever pay 4k unless I think it’s perfect for me.
@@KnowledgePerformance7 that’s the beauty of this beautiful world we live in. We all have a choice. Both are great machines. I doubt LM would release this at this price point without doing some research. I’m sure there will be plenty of folks who buy this machine. The decent has way more functionality, and I can see how it would be a great option for many people. However, I bet there are a lot of people out there who would buy the Micra over the decent purely based on looks alone. So that’s one reason I can see folks buying the Micra over the decent. Others will say stuff like LM has a rich history and they trust them more, or they prefer the simplicity. Personally, I’d love to try a decent out, but I worry if I had one, I wouldn’t have the time to enjoy all of its features.
Where I live it’s cheaper then a Decent… it’s also very different machines one is like meant to last and just continues deliver the same result, the other a high technology advanced machine with all bells and whistles and with whatever downside of that.
Really like the added graphics it makes the video look super slick. I definitely agree with your take on La Marzocco's current direction. Tbh I think people overrate how popular the linear mini really is. The price is just too high for consumers except for people flexing on reddit and the linea mini just isn't capable in a commercial setting. Coming from someone with a breville dual boiler, the upgrade is probably not worth it but the linear micra in light blue will be my white whale for the future.
And I just recently ordered an LMLM and I'm waiting for it to come to me ... but here it turns out there is a more compact model, and even for less money .....
Does anyone know the dimensions of this?
Do you think the Micra is good enough for a small coffee shop? Or how would the Mini outperforms the Micra in a small commercial environment?
As a LM Mini owner, I can't imagine wanting the micra - in fact, I want something bigger! - but I agree 100% this is a smart move to get more people into the LM eco-system (and more importantly keep them there, which they are experts at for good reason). I can also potentially enjoy the prospect of LM killing production on the mini and ending up with a machine that's a collectable... but I love my mini, and now I just need to figure out a way to justify getting a Linea Classic LOL. Great move, La Marzocco!
As a newbie, I’m curious, why would you want something bigger? Is it about needing to make a lot of espresso in a short period of time for entertaining, or something? I’m just looking for something for my wife and me. Is there a reason that I might still want something bigger?
@@strouth64 its a dangerous rabbit hole to fall into LOL. Ever had a fast car, then become numb to how fast it is and then want the next thing up? Welcome to the espresso game where your need for endless gear never ends haha
@@strouth64 For home use, the only reason would be for more features since the mini is a bit simple in that regard. I've had my mini for 2 years and I love it, have no issues pulling multiple shots over and over for family and friends.
To answer whether the Micra id a good business decision, i think we would need to know what the profit margin is on each. The Micra may well sell more units and be a higher profit margin.
Hmm, I’d say the profit margin is probably pretty high. I’d guess about 1/3 of each machine is profit. That may fluctuate a bit. But considering the maybe broader audience for home machines now after the pandemic it may help push more and more sales.
Great review, guessing Spro if you were to purchase one you would buy it in white ;-)
Maybe, this black was nice. But this one also comes in a super nice gray that matched the color in my logo and thumbnail text blocks.
@@Sprometheus yes I’ve seen the grey want to see them in person before buying one. Guessing no Black Friday sale expected
I am surprised that the lack of clearance under the portafilter for a cup and a scale isn't a deal killer for everyone on the Micra? How can you accurately espresso without a scale? Am I missing something?
will defend LM on this one. old school espresso / cappuccino. visit italy's many cafes and not likely you will see many scales, distro devices, levelers, thermometers, etc. just solid espresso the traditional way
I couldnt find this anywhere on their site. Can the Micro be plumbed, and if so is it simpler than plumbing the Mini?
Yeah it can be, the process is essentially the same to do it.
Thank you my friend.
Of course! Thanks for watching and have a good weekend!
Hi there,
If I want to buy a good machine what do you advise
Rocket
Profitec
Lelit
Ranchilio
Lamarzocco
Or other?
ECM is better than Profitec, Lelit and Rocket in Terms of Quality! Just to throw another name in there. La Marzocco is the most beautiful imo, but if you don´t have enough money to buy a premium Grinder, Wdt-Tool and scale (Because there is no flow control on the micra), I think you´re better of with an ECM, Lelit etc.
Thanks for reply
ECM
Any specific model?
@@desawy1982 Depends on the money you want to spend and what exactly you need the machine for. I would say either the ECM slim six, profi IV or Synchronika if you have a lot of money to spend. There should be a lot of reviews and comparisons!
Appreciate your videos so much. Very grateful I found your page.
The biggest drawback for me in regards to the Micra is that it’s NOT NSF certified. I’m looking to purchase the Linea Mini for my coffee trailer and will be using it commercially. Thanks again and continued successes!
Couple things I things I think need to be addressed, that plastic piece on the portafilter absolutely NOT acceptable at that price (inexpensive for la marzocco but still a lot of money) just include a bottomless and double spout, and the weird position of the wand needs to be addressed as well, and I think a hidden PID kinda like they do on the rocket hx machines I think would be quite acceptable. Gives you manual control and ability to use the app.
Someone gave me a Bugatti espresso machine. Does anyone else know have one and know where you can get replacement parts like the steam wand tip?