Goodbye GS3 | Why I Sold It & Moving On From La Marzocco
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Those who follow me on Instagram may have noticed a peculiar story post; I put my GS3 up for sale. Thankfully, it didn't take long for someone to reach out and give it a good home, but with the post came all the questions, "Why are you selling?", "You were so in love with it?". So instead of answering everyone individually, and glossing over what I really want to say I figured I'd make a video saying farewell to my GS3 and the ownership of any La Marzocco espresso machine.
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It’s rad you mentioned the Lelit Bianca- I’ve had a Linea Mini, GS3 AV and MP, but I’ve been enjoying the Bianca so much. The flow control, smaller footprint, modular water reservoir, fairly quick warm up time… it’s such a well engineered and fun machine. Thanks for the open mind and consistently insightful and enjoyable content 🤘🏽
I respect and applaud your honesty. Not much of that going around these days. As a novice who may never own a high quality espresso machine, but love them anyways, I've always felt that a high majority of the population is all about the money, and not about right from wrong. You don't come across as being part of that train of thought/circle. Good for you, and keep up the good work.
I really liked that kind of video. Because everyone always talks about why they buy/bought a machine and not enough about why they sold it, which kind of says you're not satisfied anymore. Helps to remove that bias towards certain manufacturers like La Marzocco
You have to follow your heart and those new horizons. I look forward to your future content and all the new discoveries and infotainment (meant in a positive way) that you will experience and share. Thank you, as always.
I had several lamarzocco s, and currently work on a decent de1xl. Sure, the decent doesn’t have the most amazing materials and build quality , similar to a Tesla , but it just works flawless every time . I love how the decent will do literally anything you want , including amazing pour overs .
There's a calm tone in the way you speak now than few years back. I quite like and enjoy this treatment more 🙂 good afternoon!
Looking forward to your spring-lever experience. 👍
Many great points, especially from a content creator point of view.
On a side note, I see the Lagom 01 in your grinder corner and can't wait to see a full review.
Just thought I'd pop in and say I love your new style of content!
Much appreciated! Thanks for sharing that, it’s good to hear!
We love you Spro and we'll follow your nice content whichever machine you'll use
Been talking about selling the Ferrari for the last 12 months, finally did it 😂
That’s good, because let’s face it….Porsche is better.
@@Sprometheus if La Marzocco is the Ferrari of the espresso world, what would the Porsche be in your opinion?
I really think that the analogy of La Marzocco and Ferrari is very fitting.
@@lIlIlIllIlIlIlIIlLelit or Rocket.
@@lIlIlIllIlIlIlIIl Kees Van Der Westen
Since half a year I consider to buy lever machine. It looks like it will be either La Marzocco Leva X 1 group or Kees van der Westen Spiritello, which will be introduced in May in Busan
Kudos and respect for making this decision and video: I appreciate it massively! All the nest on your new coffee journey chapter! ✌️✌️✌️
La Marzocco GS3 isa great machine. A beautiful machine too. I personally decided to go for ECM Synchronika. Cheaper, but also very well built and reliable.
Great video Spro - lots to unpick here. As a Linea Mini owner since late last year (and influenced largely by you), I think they're great machines, and they fit perfectly with how I want to make coffee with two small kids. I want rock solid build quality and shot repeatability, and the ability to change a few parameters for lighter-roast SO and darker blended coffees. Home espresso is really maturing now into a more nuanced market, and while 'La Marzocco Logic' (it's great in a cafe so it'll be great at home) still rings true, people are also wanting to tinker more, and I think LM have missed the boat here, and rested on their heritage for too long without innovating. I love your honesty about where you're heading with the channel, and that you're probably getting fussier due to all the machines that come across your bar (where as most of us don't know what we don't know). Keep it up mate!
Makes total sense you’re a professional content creator, viewers have short attention spans and want to see new shiny things which cover the broadest tastes and budgets. That said I’m on my fifth espresso machine in over 30 and it’s a LM GS3, along side a Kafatek Flat Max it’s my ‘EG’ espresso setup. I’m excited to see your channel develop into new and interesting areas. Thanks for your exceptional and original content.
Beautiful explanation. Thanks for your insight. I just ordered the P64 yesterday because of your review. Keep being honest. It’s so needed and so few TH-camrs have the courage to do it because of the brand endorsements and the gear they get.
I look forward to your reviews of spring lever machines as that may be the route that I go next.
It all made sense since you compared the LM Mini with the Gaggia Classic and you thought that the Classic made a better coffee in a blind test (with the 9 bar spring mod)
Owning a La Marzocco for home becomes like owning a Herman Miller Eames Lounge Chair: timeless, still does it job pretty well, but you own it for the name and the legacy behind it.
Love your content, I feel like you're one of the few creators in the scene that keep everything on point and focus on what they really believe, without any brand related bias
Nice explanation Spro. I guess, as you mention, from your channels perspective and content creation standpoint, it makes sense. As a GS/3 owner, I think you'd enjoy a lever machine! I'll look forward to seeing what pops up next 😎
I won't stop eyeing the Strada X, but it's still insightful to listen to your thought process behind parting with LM.
I would love to see your take on either the ACS Vostok (or EVO Leva 2 which is nearly identical internally) or the Nurri Leva. Both are hybrid spring levers that provide a preinfusion function via a pump and use the spring for the rest of the pull. They offer a lot of flexibility on top of the traditional lever setup. I have had had both and wish more people could experience these setups.
Can’t wait to see what you do with a spring lever. Have been wanting one for quite some time.
Lovely honest and frank video Spro.
I suppose it’s prolly easier to part ways with a LM Machine once you’ve owned one. I got the Bianca a few months ago and I love it . But my heart will always long for a LM. I just never had the funds for a LM. And you’re right for the price it’s way too expensive. But the heart wants what the heart wants.
I was recently looking for an expresso machine in the 2500-3000$ price range and went for the Lelit Bianca.
Your honest take on it, I think, was what made me go for it after being very undecided for a long time.
And I haven't regretted it a bit.
What lever machine(s) are you looking at or considering? I got a Londinium back in September and am loving it.
I have a Nurri Leva with a pressensor and loving it. ;-)
You Sir, does an amazing job on this channel, thank you.
Love your honesty bro and couldn’t agree more on what you said. I guess it also that status quo effect hahaha. Anyway all the best bro and keep on sharing your expertise we love it ❤🎉✊💥
So, if the grinder is where it’s at, what grinder do you suggest for espresso? Thanks
Understandable! Luckily, i'm not there with my mini yet! Still very happy and having fun with it. But new machines are always fun no matter what “end game” machine you land on
I know the modern levers are all the rage today, but I’d love to see your take on some of the older classics and refreshes. The Strega, Alex Leva, Cremina SL, MCAL, Pro 800, and R24 are all underrepresented on TH-cam.
Nice. I just sold my linea mini that I chose because of your channel. As soon as our kitchen remodel is done I will be purchasing a la marzocco Leva X
I'm excited to see new Spr-ontent with different machines. I don't know if it's up your alley, but I would love to hear your take on the Odyssey Argos, which can be set up as spring lever and direct lever.
At 6:59. Wow, a spring lever espresso machine. Never thought I'd hear it but I'm so excited. Asa, you deserve the very the best. Don't you think? You deserve the... Kees van der Westen Spiritello.
Thank you my friend.
Of course! Thanks for watching.
Looking forward to a spring lever machine showing up on your channel!
I think you made a great point about espresso machine purchases not being entirely made within reason and one i've been thinking about for a while is that people don't necessarily buy into a machine, but rather buy into a brand. I think that's one of the reasons why some people will get so vehemently worked up when someone is down talking a machine they purchased because it feels like an attack on the brand and their investment.
Also, I think you should get an Olympia Express Cremina on the bar at some point. From what i've heard it's a classic and still one of the best spring lever espresso machines available today.
Why spring levers? Why not a straight lever? CT2? Cremina?
Looking forward to see what spring lever machine(s) will be featured on this channel 😎 I am currently considering a Profitec Pro 800 (as one of several very different options 😅)
Sounds like you might want to get an Argos machine, I do enjoy the La Pavoni Europiccola if you want a manual lever machine.
To me, and for most people I think it's actually better to have LESS gear (or switch less frequently), I usually have too many grinders and different espresso machines and it makes deciding which to use more tricky :p BUT also I think it's better to get really familiar with one machine and know it's quirks and capabilities so you can work with those. Also for grinders most of my burrs I've been using have probably been unseasoned and I'm starting to believe it does have an effect at least with some grinders/burrs.
I completely agree with you here. I never felt that Marzocco was a brand for the home barista. Even with the Micra I just can't see how not giving you volumetrics is acceptable at the price. I would have bought a Decent ages ago but I just feel it doesn't hit the spot when it comes to aesthetics. Though yours looks very nice, I still cant get over the RGB on a coffee machine 😢 And I super excited for you to get in to lever machines. If I had the space, I would absolutely own one, but you saw my setup 😂 As long as I am confined to that kitchen corner, it won't happen
Great video, thank you.... what about the Odyssey Argos? It might be the machine you looking for....
As an owner of both an Electra Micro-casa a leva and an Olympia Cremina (manual version), I can get behind the idea of going down the lever rabbit hole. However, these machines are very much about enjoying the (somewhat leisurely) process of making espresso beyond the experience of consuming espresso (and espresso based drinks). Everyday is an adventure with these machines as variables such as temperature, water volume, and pressure (quite dependent upon puck preparation even with a spring) are not as easily controlled. If that sounds like fun to you, then welcome to the club.
100% sounds appealing! I feel like having a Decent and a lever like that will give me the best of both worlds sort of experience. Though I do want the lever to be a spring version, so with the Cremina I would opt for the SL.
@@SprometheusThese are well made and very durable machines. Simple to use and maintain, but hard to master. The things to keep in mind, are 49mm portafilter (hard to find the latest gizmos for), a small but passionate community (the spring model, likely a very small community), and limited support options (one authorized dealer in the U.S., but I have no complaints about the service).
Interesting video, I always wondered why you went with a GS3 and not straight to the Decent after you sold the Mini. As a Bianca owner I’ve always wondered what the difference really is - besides price. Have a look at the Unica espresso machine, I saw it a while back and found it interesting. The guy behind it popped the hood and revealed its piston driven, so not quite a spring lever but the results are excellent and operation is silent. I’m sure he would loan it to you if you reached out. I have his card somewhere if you need an intro.
What about an argos ? There not a lot of review of it online, the busget and bench space is limited and you can choose between spring and direct
Gotta agree with this one. There's plenty to cover as far as their rocky rollout as well. I'm super interested in learning how it performs.
Congrats Spro! My dream is to have something like a Faema Jubilee and and Nurri Lever machine…just to compare the two shots.
Hi Sprometheus, I enjoy all your videos. Maybe you could have summarized your farewell to LM in a short intro…. No need to expand SO much into why. It gives the impression that your love for espresso is more about the machine than the experience altogether. In short, it’s perfectly OK buy and sell whatever you want, without judgement. It would be fun if you brought in a simple Gaggia or Rancilio, and pulled some awesome espressos to show some newbies that you can in fact get great espresso with knowledge, meaning being creative with what’s at hand… just a thought!
I bought a heavily modified strega last year with pid grouphead and added pressure gauges. It’s fantastic
Planning on modding mine.
No need to PID the boiler?
I do want to add a pressure release (full shot pressure gauge) like the ‘knukkel’ guy did.
For the price and if you can tinker, I think it’s one of the more compelling spring lever machines.
@@nissanguy16 Strega isnt filling the group from boiler, so boiler PID isnt a need. But pressure gauge for group head is.
@@Horologiist right, it’s a HX, just making sure it stays stable for you with only the heater cartridges being controlled.
Do you have pressure reading throughout the entire shot or only the first few mm of piston travel?
Since it isn’t the same as a LSM group, we have to do some machining to get full shot pressure reading, and if we want, a relief valve.
Planning to mod mine pretty soon too. I was thinking of grouphead PID, new lower pressure pump with a pulsor, vaccum relief valve to drip tray and maybe adding a pre-infusion pressure gauge.
@@VinDub18 I added a pulsar as well as some sound-deadening insulation per one of the forums on home-barista. They work great at reducing pump noise, but eventually I just plumbed mine in so that there's no pump at all and just preinfusing with line pressure. I did add a switch so that I can activate the pump if I want to use >3bar preinfusion for lighter coffees, but I prefer the Neapolitan roasts currently. You can see what I did on home-barista in the "Espresso Cart: Goodbye Plumbed-In" forum.
Hey Spro, thanks for the video. I, too, am a former GS3 owner and sold mine last year and bought a SL machine. If you are considering a SL machine, I recommend the Londinium R24. I own one and it is fantastic. Solidly built, reliable, great customer service. A bit pricey (around $4K U.S.) but half the price of the GS3 and, in my opinion, makes more flavorful, more consistent espresso. They also came out with a smaller SL called the Vectus late 2023. Either way, hope you find the right secondary machine. Keep up the great content and stay caffeinated!
How do you get a shot with less than 94c or 201F
Spring lever? I'm curious on how's your view on Bezzera Strega. Personaly I think it's an under rated machine. I probably bias, because I have one in my home.
I haven’t had a chance to even touch a Bezzera, but have heard the name a lot lately. I’ll have to see if I can connect with them me a retailer to get ahold of one to try.
Looking forwards to seeing more lever espresso content as well - I've been looking into them mostly out of curiousity and a lot of the vids on the more higher powered machines like the BZ Strega or the Ponte Vecchio Lusso are pretty old and aren't really full reviews. Same with the much newer Odyssey Argos, where are the videos out of them are all promo vids and not reviews
Not a spring lever but you should try CT2 Strietman. Great lever machine
Your Rancilio Silvia Pro X Vs gs3 video made me purchase the Silvia Pro X and I'm not disappointed one bit
Amazing beverages
It would be great to see a Profitec Pro 800 on your bar as a spring lever adventure. Love your honest and intelligent content👍👍
Profitec 800 is a good lever to try, i new a change was in the air when i saw your glowing review of the profitec 600. Was just about to order one and they brought out some new model's, so I'm waiting again to see what else comes along, for now i have my eye on the prof 700 drive but it's more money again😢😮👍😎🇬🇧
Change in the air indeed! And yeah, I’m sure you’d like the 600 or the 700(Drive). It seems the only major difference is the 700 has a rotary pump, which is quieter and more consistent pressure wise but I don’t think can make better espresso.
I've also heard that the heat up time for the Drive is much faster. I think it's like 15 minutes compared to the 30-45 people usually need for larger E61 machines.
I have a Londinium R24 spring lever and I really like it. It's pretty much the opposite of the Decent. There is no screen to see the temperature. There are no variables to control besides pre-infusion pressure. The pressure profiling will always be the same, that of the spring. But the results are very consistent and no fuss. I am often able to dial the grind within 2-3 shots. As you said, it's more about the grinder than the espresso machine. What having only 2 adjustable variables has meant for me is that I get to focus on more my preparation and experience drinking my espresso. It be great to hear what you think of Londinium's minimalist mechanical approach. I think the steam power is very good too. Also wondering how a R24 compares to La Marzocco's steam power.
I completely understand your thoughts and appreciate your honesty.
Maybe the Profitec Pro 800?
Having used a Flair for about 1,000 pulls now, the thing I like about it is that I can do many different pressure profiles based upon the coffee and roast, varying from shot to shot. Were I to get an automatic it would be a Decent, even though I don't like the tinkering/nerd aesthetic of it. Temperature control is important to me, and I have insulated the Flair so that it cools the water when not heating at a perfect rate for hitting a desired temperature. I can stick a fast response Thermapen temperature probe in it, amongst other things. Overall, I think the main variable I pay attention to is getting the puck fully saturated fairly quickly, and not having the extraction time be too long because I do not like the taste of coffee that has been in contact with water for too long - it has undertones of drip coffee. I am unconvinced that a spring lever can achieve what I now do, which is more in line with how I cook an omelette.
spring lever!! The Profitec 800 might be my next machine, if it still makes sense by the time I can afford it 😁 I've also been curious about the Odyssey Argos and really curious about the Kees van der Westen Spirtello, although the latter is likely going to be way, way out of my budget.
i do not know how easy it is to purchase Kees van der Westen machines in the states, but would love to see you test out the new Spiritello!
Oh yes. I’d love one. They are available-ish, but parts are hard to come by and I’d have to get a 220v plug in my studio as they don’t make any home-focused option.
La Mar-no-Spro
Can always count on you with the witty replies haha
Kind of sharing the same boat with you. My primary machine is a La Marzocco Strada EP 1.
I like this machine very much. And this is difficult to me not to turn the machine in each single day.
Recently I am thinking to invest a second machine for some reasons. The first machine in my mind to invest is a Linea Micra - a simple, small machine.
However, when I see your review of Desent DE1 XL. You changed my mind.
What makes me wanting to get the Decent instead of a Micra, is the “handy” availability of the Decent.
Decent has full control of all variety to pour a shot; however, it can also be as simple as “hit and go”. This super simplicity hits my need.
Hi. I’ve just bought a strada EP1. Can I ask a question as I cannot get the boilers to fill. When you first switch the machine on how do you select the “first installation” procedure as I cannot for the life of me select it. Every time I press enter with the knob it just switches on. I’m scared to burn out the elements lol.
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These is an option of using water reservoir. If you do use the reservoir instead of direct pump in. Please make sure to choose this option under the technician menu.
Unfortunately, my Strada EP1 wasn’t come as a brand new machine. I bought it from a cafe which was being used for nine months for 30% of the original price.
Maybe the Argos from Odyssey Espresso might be interesting, since it is pretty easy to switch between spring lever and fully manual lever - meaning numerous possibilities to play around and broaden your horizon.
Could he tricky to get your hands on one though ...
I think boredom is a real thing. About 18 months ago (or so), I got the "endgame," which was an LMLM fully upgraded with Specht Design. So we're talking custom color, wood and bronze accents, EMP-mod so it's basically full control. Not cheap. Here I am and there's a part of me that just wants to do something different. Maybe go all the way back to manual levers that I loved for so many years. Will it make "better" coffee? Ofc not. If we're honest with ourselves, that really isn't what this whole thing is about.
For sure. I also think we tend to forget that the machine is just a piece of the puzzle, but after years of testing machines and grinders, it’s the grinders that do the heavy lifting in terms of the qualities in the cup.
@@Sprometheus Oh absolutely, but even there, boredom is a factor for a lot of us. Had a Monolith MAX, now the MC5 and they're both top-tier. . . but the itch is there.
This is why I love my Decent. Whatever other failings it might have, the ability to essentially emulate other machines or brewing methods, as well as experiment with entirely new ways, has kept me from growing bored.
Not a good thing to have. I usually stick to my stoff for many years and try to be happy. just sell it, get some nice money and try something different 😊
As an owner of an E61, then Linea Mini and now GS3 MP, I completely understand your reasons for parting with La Marzocco, price for features being "front and center". Still, I think you're in a different situation than most of us. And what you like coffee-wise (I'm more into traditional espresso than 3rd wave, though I like dabbling and trying new coffees) has an effect on your machine of choice. The mouthfeel and shot quality of La Marzocco is second to none. The paddle gives me a capability to do some tweeking of shots without too much complication. But the built-in reservoir is an issue, and repeatability of shots for lignt roasts is not easy. Fir many people, the biggest issue is cost.
BTW, has Decent solved the "mouthfeel issue" yet?
Good for you on keeping it fresh. I, as a mere coffee layman, need creators like you to help me figure out what kit to get. I (and I think I represent the vast majority of your viewers) don’t have the budget to be buying 4 different kinds of grinders or espresso machines, just to figure out which one is best for me. Or to keep them all in a “I feel like this kind profile today,” kind of way. Nor do I have any kind of upgrade-itis. Example: my Breville 450XL just died. It is, I assume, a rebadged Wilfa Svart. I got it a dozen years ago for $120CAD, which seemed extremely expensive at the time. Only with its death, am I now looking for a replacement that will be an upgrade. I was seriously considering the Varia VS3 with upgraded Hypernova Ultra burrs as it seems to be fairly high clarity/acidity for a conical and Gen 2 seems to have the major bugs solved. I do wish they would sell the damn thing with your choice of burrs installed for a little less money than buying the second set extra, but I digress. The recent release of DF54 has really caught my eye. If I knew for sure that aftermarket burrs would eventually be available, it would be a total no-brainer. I think a flat burr, electric, would nicely complement my J-MAX.
As a middle aged man with wife, two university aged kids and a mortgage, I’m highly unlikely to ever get a multi-thousand dollar coffee anything. But seeing reviews of such equipment is fun in a “Top Gear” kind of way. So keep them coming. AND the VS3 and DF54 level reviews. The low end stuff is is just as useful to me, and I’m sure many others, as the high end stuff.
And don’t feed the Trolls. Referring to the unsubscriber earlier.
Some of the recent "modern" spring levers have been extensively reviewed (ACS and Nurri notably). One machine that deserves a proper review is the Londinium R24.
Another one that has kind of been under the radar is the Lapera.
Wait for Kvdw new machine
Would love to see your clinical and thorough take on a newcomer like the Argos. Modern take on a classic dipper style send very on brand for this channel.
Lever machines are a blast. You are far more involved in the process. 🎉
Spring lever...Yess. I would love to hear you view on how well the Decent can imitate a good spring lever.
With so many more modern machines coming out, I think it’s crazy to get a top tier LM. The machines like meticulous and decent are the way of the future.
Thanks for keeping it real Spro and not allowing anyone own you.
I get it and if you think it's the right move, then it is. I own a Lelit Elizabeth and it does everything I want and haven't considered selling it because I'm not in your position (content creator), but I do often wonder what other machines are like. I have gone through a few grinders though.
The Nurri Leva is such a beautiful machine! I've seen others discuss it on TH-cam. Seems like it gives a lot of control over the shot despite being a lever machine. It even allows for pressure release so that there's less waste/clean-up required. You can stop the shot whenever you want without having to pull the cup out from under an active stream.
Nah, it’s ugly.
Nurri is a great lever machine, but unfortunately has 54mm group, what means to collect every new piece of things for coffee distribution. So I rather consider La Marzocco Leva X or Kees van der Westen Spiritello (will be introduced in May in Busan)
@@user-js2fi7qw2i right, the group size is definitely a con. Although, the Nurri Leva is about $10k USD cheaper than the La Marzocco Leva X.
The cost of buying a new 54mm tamper, distributor, screens, baskets etc. is but a fraction of the money you have to put up for a
KVDW Spiritello over a Nurri Leva. From personal experience, transitioning from 58mm to 54mm extras will set you back between $350 to $500.
The Nurri Leva retails from $4500 to $5500 (depending on exterior finish).
The KVDW Speedster retails for $13500, so the Spiritello will probably be in that ballpark.
In other words, it is hardly the 54mm tamper etc. that is gonna break your bank…
@@user-js2fi7qw2i It is more 55 mm. But it gives less chanaling because the puck is dicker
Wow, never have such true words been spoken; grinders have a far greater impact to making a good coffee than literally any espresso machine. So true!
I’ve never owned a spring lever machine however one of my favorite machines to use is effectively any La Pavoni lever machine. I have had both professional and europicola. Both great!
They are quirky, not temp stable and probably in the worst of times require upgraded parts to get ‘the best’ out of them, yet it is my most satisfying machine to use and by a long margin. I can only suggest go for a non spring lever machine, maybe like an Olympia or get in line for an Argos, which is bi-springable- it goes with or without. I love my Pavoni. It’s not the coffee but the ritual one needs to go through and once you get it, it’s a bit like a really good dance move.
Get an Olympia and a Bentwood grinder and don’t look back! No spring, please!
My San Remo Cube works really well, solid, E61, great steam, but the Pavoni is way more fun in the hand.
La Marzocco is definitely worth the price, especially considering their reputation for longevity. That being said, it's likely a bigger issue for a commercial application vs. home use.
I bought a used gs3 coming from a decade of la pavoni levers, my thinking was that I wanted to explore deeper into the software of coffee with a really stable platform. I think of it as a subway train for espresso, you can do exactly the same thing twice.
That does make it less interesting as a machine, once you’ve understood what it does it just does it. Especially to create machine contents on, I understand perfectly.
My journey is also into the machine, renovating it, but that’s a different story. 😊
You made a great choice! I love my GS3 MP----I have no intentions of trading it:).
I would love to see the Advanced Coffee Solution Vostok 1 group here. I think it is one of the best in terms of quality/price ratio. But also aesthetically (with all the customizations it offers) it is beautiful!
this video doesn't glorify the gs3, it deserved a good bye for being such a huge part of this channels beginnings
Not a spring lever but I'd love your thoughts on the Meticulous
Yes! Manument coming 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
The comment about the importance of the grinder is interesting. Having a Lelit Anna PID and an Eureka grinder, I wonder if getting an extra conical grinder would bring more variety than upgrading to a Bianka?
Truly appreciate your honesty ;~)
Or maybe it’s how much water that gets wasted by the pressure profiling, how the paddle doesn’t actually give you micro-control over that pressure, and how maddening LM’s app is to use.
Maybe it’s those things too :)
you wont say it, but I will...as a former barista that has worked on La Marzocco machines on the bar in Seattle, La Marzocco to me overprices its machines and fails to innovate to the level many other companies do...they move too slow and try to die on the hill that is their 'name' within the market and thats not good. They are the proverbial stick in the mud in how they do business and their product reflects this. I am not getting something 'more' through paying more for outdated or very rudimentary La Marzocco machines.
Get a la lapavoni and or mcal to kick it off. You’ll have a great baseline to compare against the spring levers with the Pav.
Speaking directly to the mini, I agree that it’s super expensive for very basic functionality. But, what ‘better’ saturated groups are in the same price range? I do understand the mini isn’t a completely saturated group but what else is there, there’s a plethora of E61 choices but not much else that I know of.
Looking out for a spring lever ending up with the X Leva? 😊 have fun..
Haha well $15k for an espresso machine is a little too much in my opinion
In Europe You can find it for 12,9k € incuding VAT tax
It's tough. I still love my now 8 year old mini, but I get it. The Bianca and others are are great machines - and there are relatively few compromises. You're not giving up quality to save money.
I also think that for most of us -- a machine provides joy in some form, and we can't justify rotating so quickly, usually. Or if we do, it's about the fun of something new and not the value necessarily.
But all of this is because LM has clout. If you had a Faema or an Eagle One for nearly as long, I doubt there'd be quite as much interest. Maybe a Slayer...lol. Anyway, all's fair. You get to have fun, and get to make fun content and we all get to benefit from that too!
Spring lever, absolutely perfect, fun love story, cheers
How about getting something completely different like a strietman?
Makes total sense.
Eloquently said, it makes sense
Meanwhile, the Bianca in the background undergoing surgery 😅
I know right? Of course right after I did the year review it sprung a leak on an inlet tube coming from the pump. I’ve got the part, but haven’t had the time to make the repair.
Upgraditis is always on my mind, but a Flair 58 with a good grinder will produce excellent espresso that rivals that of machines costing 10x more. I’m quite satisfied with my 58 and for now, it’s my “end game” setup.
I have the same setup, and yes sometimes I would like a high end machine but when you can control the outcome of every shot it is hard to beat the Flair 58!
You guys have no clue what you are missing out on
@@Justbein_honest descaling and backflushing?
Very exited to see how the
Meticulous pans out
Haha no plans to get one as it stands today.
Looking good.
Yeah having a lever machine makes sense. I think it's a practical call.
Yeah, I think paired with the something like the Decent a spring lever would be a great way to maintain that connection to the process that the cold, calculating DE1 doesn’t provide.
Do you have fears of reliability with the decent?
That's quite the body-slam on La Marzocco!
Don't know how you can say "LaMarzocco-less" with a straight face. 'Consistency, repeatability, and control' sums it up. You're doing the right thing, going forward. You can always come back if you want to.
I think LM is a pure luxury brand like any other. I would have never thought the value was fully justified, you're paying for the name. Of course you can get the same results on a cheaper machine. Buying a Ferrari doesn't mean you're getting the best car in the world, a modified Miata can out perform a stock Ferrari, but if you want a Ferrari, then you buy a Ferrari.