John Sees Dutch Again After 4 Years And He Kills A Woman The Same Way He Did On The Ferry - RDR
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ค. 2022
- This was purposefully done, I believe, since John was always talking in RDR 2 how traumatized he was about Dutch killing Heidi Mccort, and how he acts like he forgets about her in RDR 1 to cover up his emotions about how messed up he felt about that day. And Dutch having that knowledge tries to play psychiatric mind tricks on John to discourage him emotionally by blowing this poor woman’s brains out all over his face.
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Note to anyone: Don't trust Dutch when he says "of course"
“Of course, pal”
@@irish9766 "Whatever You.....Think is Best"
@UCd1vRUQ-m0wZv2zgGZ0u8ag I will… see to it. He insists upon it, INSISTS!
Of course... Of course, I surrender John, you're the master now
Dutch in the 20th century was just a fucking madman 😂
Well technically it was 4 years since they saw each other when John went to kill Micah.
Thanks for correcting me, I completely forgot
crazy that in the span of 4 years, he goes crazy
@@actualgxat3326dude he was going crazy early in the first game.
@@actualgxat3326Putting Annabelle aside, Hosea and Arthur were basically the only ones left keeping him sane altogether. Once they were gone as well, Dutch just lost it... Oh well, he had it coming.
Crazy how Dutch went full on crazy, I think knowing what we know after the prequel Dutch couldn’t deal with the fact he was responsible for the gangs downfall and Arthur’s death.
Personally I think he’s more narcissistic than that. His ego was entirely built on being a leader everyone looked up to and being needed. When everyone began questioning his plans and leaving the gang, his whole sense of self shattered and brought out his true self.
I think it was a bit of a Phineas Gage situation. Phineas Gage suffered an accident that resulted in brain damage, when a railroad spike was sent up through his jaw and into his brain. He survived, and recovered, but afterwards, he had a noticeable change in character. Where before he had been polite, and affable, and friendly, after the accident he was crotchety, and surly, and irritable. Now, to some degree that can be "I had a fucking railroad spike go through my face," but it can also be that, since we are a brain, damage to the brain can change who we are and how we both perceive and interact with the world.
Dutch sustained a head injury in the prequel, and after that, he started acting... differently. Worse.
@@DarthVader-qq8ci Exactly, I dont understand why everyone says "oh dutch fell off". Dutch was always a narcissistic ahole, he litterally sold Arthur and John out the river for his own dreams. Dutch deserves his death in RDR1 and I wish Arthur and John killed him originally. The only people in the main gang who really ended up redeeming themselves were Arthur and John, Dutch would never be capable of that.
No he just couldn’t deal with the fact the west was dying and being left behind in the world
@@DarthVader-qq8ciVery interesting perspective dude. Yeah, it appears Dutch was in the middle of a full blown identity crisis at the end of RDR2.
You can see that woman getting off the boat at the start of the game
Does she have a name?
@@GXprogamer Muriel Scranton.
Well shit
😂😂😂 this is crazy because this is the comment i was looking for i thought Rockstar made a mistake or was just lazy and didnt want to cast another npc
@@colt2128 that’s just there way of making him killing her more real they gave her a name and multiple scenes I wouldn’t say that’s lazy
Dutch really did lose his mind. I think he began with narcissistic tendencies but he really took a lot of good people down with him. So much for idealism.
Feels like Dutch really went insane after that trolley station job
I've seen people suggest he may have had some brain damage from it that could explain the sudden shift in personality
@@carlmiller757 right after the trolley mission if you return to the camp. abigail will start talking to dutch. but he's mumbling to himself. he's just sitting at the chair.. then he realizes abigail is there and greets her.
Nah, Dutch was always an evil and manipulative sociopath. John puts it better than anyone else; "You see a man corrupted by evil, I see a man who was found out for who he truly was".
Pay attention to the opening. He went crazy before the game started.
Do y’all not actually pay attention to anything? He killed an innocent girl shortly before the game starts. The whole point is that he was never really the person he made himself out to be.
Why is dutch voice actor so good
Like the line where he says i never took you for an errand boy sounds so sad for some reason
It was less sad and more pity sounding. Like he's in disbelief John takes orders from the Government.
The slightest bit of humanity still in there, remembering the potential he saw in John. He's still a monster tho.
Probably my favorite scene, so much build up to who could this van der linde be, and two people with a lot of history have a meaningful talk
If you were ever wondering what happened on that ferry in Blackwater years back that’s probably what happened
but rdr1 takes place after rdr2.
@@dawnslayer he means about the ferry job it's probably how Dutch killed Heidi McCourt in the same way he killed that woman in RDR1
@@arnaldofraire925Why didn't they show us what happened in black water massacre?
@@santhosh9221 from what I gathered either they wanted it to be in red dead online in a later event but rockstar decided to halt that to focus sources on GTA VI and it was cut content that just never seen the light of day. They honesy could've showed it in story mode it's been mentioned a few times about the incident but maybe they wanted that event that be kept to the players imagination
@@arnaldofraire925 I always wanted to know this .Anyway, Thanks for your reply :)
We all had her
BUT HE MARRIED HER!
Wild west cuckold
Everyone bussed up in Abigail but John fell in love dayum.
@@Snpiedogfell in love, wifed her and started a family with her smh
Read that in his voice 😂
Abigail is a woman who's made poor choices throughout her life. The fact that she still tried her best to love & accept John in early chapters of RDR2 despite John being who he was, and raised Jack alone almost all by herself until John finally manned up, proves had she not been in an unfortunate situation, she would've been a great woman that most men would've wanted to have.
Immediately considering her to be a bad character just because of her past work, is just immature as hell. Grow tf up
Never forget my first time playing this and my jaw dropping to the floor when he shot her
*If John hadn’t gone after Micah* then it would’ve been Micah in RDR1 going after Bill, Javier and Dutch… as he was already working with Pinkertons to turn Dutch in.
I don't think Micah would have lasted long. Javier would have just shot him. The reason why he didn't shoot John is because he deep down still cared about him.
The way he kills the woman is giving me flashbacks to Hosea’s death
Yes but Hosea was shot In the chest and this poor woman had her brains blow own both horrible deaths tho
@@Uknown76One's quick, one's slow...
The fact dutch did this twice is insane
Just like Heidi mcourt
This is such a great scene
That was so sad
Why?
@@bloodymosquito-km3ofbecause it’s someone getting shot in the head. Even though it’s just a video game.
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"You keep killin folk Dutch"
Tragic
Psst... you can rob the safe in the room before you go up the ladder :)
How much do you get? Is it worth going back to an older save if I missed it? I just finished the dutch on the mountain mission and I don't have nearly enough cash to buy the explosive rifle but I want it
Legend has it Dutch is still saying "One more train Arthur" in heaven's train station
Lmao dutch in heaven?
Both Arthur and Dutch ain't gonna be in heaven if it exists.
Arthur has a good heart but at the end he was still a bad man.
@@Zanoladab he tried doing the best before his death right after he contracted tb though, he helped lots of people, something Jesus would appreciate
Why didn't any of the lawmen try to shoot Dutch or even his gang members? They left the room with a brisk walk. Heck why didn't Ross with the sniper try to shoot them?
Plot armor bruv
Maybe they escaped through a window or something
@@waywardstoner9416 Ross says they left through the front door
They could hit the woman and there was another person being held hostage too, maybe it was shock, since they though he let the woman go, then proceeded to shoot her.
Deputy on the left could totally take the shot at numerous times. Dutch was totally exposed to that deputy.
Yup I agree these deputies were completely incompetent there was no reason Dutch should’ve left black water alive
Shes just sleeping. She's all tuckered out
2:28 me at my friends wedding
When did Dutch left John to die? Not rescuing him from prison(rdr2)?
The final train robbery. John was shot and Dutch left him to die
@@tomdoug7606 thanks 👍
Can any historical linguistics say whether or not John's use of "man" at 1:49 is anachronistic for 1911?
Why do you think so?
@@-Finlandia Well, John's using it like a term of endearment. Like it's the equivalent of saying "It's over, brother." I don't think the word "man" started being used like that until the 1950s or 60s, but I'm not an expert.
That girl died 2 times
Red Dead zombies
And here
I get that the end of rdr2 tries to show us players that Dutch goes crazy but I feel like they keep flipping back and forth bc they showed that Dutch basically raised John and then went crazy betrayed him and Arthur in 1899 and in 1907 he like switched back and killed Micah and now looking back at rdr1 it seems unrealistic that Dutch would talk about John like this
I thought Dutch looking for Micah was just to show the start of maniac drive almost like hunting him down because he finally understood Micah played him
Dutch is not only narcissistic but also bipolar. He never went crazy per say, he just went from passive to down right evil
Damn, Dutch was an asshole in the first game 😮
Oooooh RDR2 is a prequel?!
@@EpinardscaramelYes, Dutch died being an asshole, bro changed so much
Dutch just became crazier and crazier , even started wearing ugly 4ss pajamas
He wear ugly ass pajamas probably no money tho
Is it not 4 years actually? Because John went to kill Micah??
Oh shoot your right, I’ll make that correction
@@RedsDeadBaby ok
It is 4 years john came to kill micah it was 1907 and that year in video its 1911
Had to do the mission in the Mexico cloths ah??..... Lmao
which mission is this
honestly, after Undead Nightmare I frickin hate that lady
I played Undead Nightmare a few years ago so I don't really remember, did this same lady appear in it? Also why do you hate her because of it? Lol
what’s up with Dutch and killing women, is that a side affect of the brain injury ?
Well the brain injury is one interpretation that I don’t subscribe to. But let’s say I did maybe going crazy led towards him becoming more violent and coincidentally this has been shown as mostly against women on screen. Also having them be innocent bystanders really shows how how off the rails Dutch has gone
Dutch didn’t just start acting like this after he hit his head idk why people believe that theory the game literally talks about him murdering a woman in a bad way before the game started, The whole head injury theory completely ruins Dutch’s character development
I'm not defending Dutch, but he does also kill men. I don't know if murdering this hostage serves Dutch and his associates any purpose in their escape, but if the circumstances were similar to when he killed the woman before the prequel, Arthur and much of the rest of the van der Linde gang seemed to have their impression of the moral character of Dutch challenged by his actions at Blackwater. I'd propose that if Dutch did sustain a brain injury in Saint Denis, it only served to undermine him maintaining his facade of having the wider gang's best interests at heart (Tahiti etc.), but I didn't play RDR, and don't have a detailed memory of RDR2 (in which I didn't get far enough in the story to take control of John), for which my own brain injury may contribute.
He’s an outlaw/criminal lmfao y’all act like these characters are saints
@@yuppy64 Killing women is different, because back in those days most women did not carry guns but men did. And in the Old Wild West's honour, it's unhonourable thing to kill a person who is unarmed.
Don't get me weird people, i think men, women and this those who claim neither should treated what they please and be equal in front of the judgement. But back in wild west most women were unarmed. I don't have any strong arguement why they didn't carry arms but that's the truth, there is nothing i can do about it.
Maybe colm killed annabelle like that and he traumatized by it or something
dutch started it by killing colm's brother
I was thinking about that cause Dutch really killed like 4 innocent women
What i dont get is if dutch's girl was killed how could he kill that lady?? Shouldnt that be the last thing he could ever do??
Blackwater massacre similar kill
Horrible.
Why? They kill men too
I have plan... is a good one:)
Put “it’s” instead of “is” or just write “I have a plan.. a good one”
I Hate Dutch More than Micah Fr Fr cause dayum he became such a hypocrite while Micah was never seen as good at any point
See, but Dutch, along with Bill and Javier, were much more sympathetic characters, even as the antagonists they were in RDR1. Maybe Bill wasn't quite as much as the other two, but I don't think John particularly wanted to kill him until he and his gang started going after Bonnie MacFarlane.
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You know this explain a lot why Dutch or anyone else ever told Arthur or Hosea how he killed the woman after playin rdr i don’t see either standing by this at all. They actually prolly were scared why they stood wit him nd his bs till da end
WHY IS SHE MOANING?!
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