I found it interesting how in high honour the conductor yells all aboard before Reverend leaves, maybe showing that Reverend would have talked longer if he had a few more minutes. But in low honour Reverend leaves before the conductor yells this, showing that Reverend had no more to say.
Noticed the same but what I noticed was the cutscene ended earlier as compared to good honor cutscene,Just shows he don't want to talk that much to a low honor arthur
@@yasininn76 I understand it may feel that way, but it's a matter of perspective. Life is constant struggle, but if you keep reminding yourself of the good things you take for granted, you will start seeing your life completely differently
If it’s a bad story, I’ll do an evil play through for laughs. If it’s a decent story, I’ll do a good play through and then an evil one. But if it’s a great story, I can’t bring myself to play it evil.
😂 I've played it through twice properly (taking my time, completing all the sides and random missions etc) with the intentions of the second one being low honour.. second play through had even higher honour than the first
Same man. i wanted te restart RDR2 and do it in low honor. BUT I CAN’T. The story that I did.. In full full full honor I just can’t do it again and be extra mean to people💀 makes me sad lol
That's understandable I'm on my 21 play through of Red Dead Redemption 2 and I never played with low honor once because I never really could I like to think that High Honor Arthur is the cannon ending to Arthur Story where he's not a good man but still tries to help people even when he got sick Dutch and Micah going crazy to the point where Arthur is willing to sacrifice himself to allow John to live with his family and knowing by letting John live his life after the Gang Arthur knows he won despite Micah thinking otherwise
You should definitely try it. Idk why people are so terrified of low honor when hardly anything changes, low honor DOES NOT mean “evil”, low honor Arthur is just a more cold and self interested person. They only act like Arthur low honor is a psychopath bc people are lazy and go on mass killing sprees just to get rid of all their honor fast, but if you start the game utilizing the rob mechanic and knocking people out and looting them you’ll gain low honor much more naturally and more in character for Arthur
The conversation with the sister is probably better in my opinion. She is an outside influence, someone who isn't an outlaw or criminal, and she still praises Arthur in spite of him openly confessing his criminal past to her. Instead of running to the nearest authorities and turning Arthur in, she saw him as a struggling child of God who needed help and guidance. It goes to show that anyone can change course in their lives and progress and move forward and become better no matter what they've done in their past.
The voice acting and cinematography are great but the writing in this game is awful, it's like the game and story were made seperately, go do a bank heist and kill 75 enemies then hear Arthur after "I feel like I'm a bad man, am I bad man?" like yeah no shit buddy. Not to mention no matter what you do the outcome is the same, all the changes is you get a stupid ass deer gif in the background over your body if you're good or wolf if you're bad. I felt like I wasted my time playing in a particular way.
Got my honor tanked last time I played after an entire save file being damn near a saint because of a tiny little massive 40 minute farm shootout against waves of cops because I tried to stop a lynching in the woods, and the subsequent patrolling bounty hunter death squads that also tank your honor for fighting them. So whenever I play again this is unironically good advice, because I don't want to advance any missions on low honor and get the asshole Arthur versions of the cutscenes and journals.
Man the subtle changes! In high honour, Arthur taps his arm in a polite way to get him to sit with him. In the low honour Arthur just sits, thinking only about himself.
Reverend only leaves in high honour because he has to, his train is leaving and the conductor has called for him to board. In low honour he runs away before he has to because he doesn’t want to be around Arthur longer than he needs to be.
@@SovTheCherub except it is because someone had to manually move each and every part of the animation and replay and rework and replay them so everything is done with attention for the fine details
@@StarwayBunny "Save those you can". Being altruitic and being an idiot are two different things. If you throw your life away trying to save those you can't, then you're an idiot.
@@StarwayBunny Not really, simply means you can't save everybody. Not everybody is open to changing. That's their choice, not your guilt to carry. Some people need to go through hell to change, do you want to go through it with them?
@@take7upyours822 If they're 100% not open to changing for the better or making any attempt to improve, then yes I would say sayonara. But I'd make it clear that if they ever want to change I would be there for them.
Fun Fact : this cutscene only unlocks if you don't meet the sister at any point of time. In my first playthrough I didn't met her I got this, in second I met her I didn't got this.
You can tell how goddamn terrified Swanson is in this scene. You can really tell how fear inducing Arthur was even up to and after he started really getting sick.
@@sirlothric6357Last fight pissed me off so much the first time I played it. I knocked Micah all over that mountain top the only hits he got in were scripted ones. You can manoever Micah around to a position where you can knock him off the cliff and you get a "Mission Failed - Micah Died" lol wut? Its a fight to the death. I get its a scripted part of the story but with the detail Rockstar puts in they should have had a secret ending where you can throw him off the Cliff. They could have still had the epilogue as John, and had rumors Micah survived, hell have him turn up in a wheel chair at the end of American Venom or something.
@@stevepalpatine2828Micah rolling up in a wheelchair like "hey Scarface, Blacklung got me pretty good, huh?" is the single funniest thing i've ever imagined
@@stevepalpatine2828Yeah that's the problem with the last few Rockstar games - the open world is so non-linear whereas the missions are so linear, and often give you nonsense BS reasons for failing when the real reason is simply "you went off script". That one bothered me, but it got really annoying when you get a bronze medal for a mission because it only shows you what you were being judged on *after*. I guess the idea was so you weren't distracted and enjoyed the experience first time without feeling like you were being graded. NakeyJakey's video "Rockstar's Game Design Is Outdated" sums this up perfectly.
@senseiMcAllister for some reason I can't play Arthur as a low honor bad guy. Even my first playthrough I made enough good choices so Arthur died at the top of the mountain rather than at the bottom at the hands of ratboy
Same. I can’t justify Arthur dying a bad man. My head canon is that he’s either good the whole game or bad then good. It just makes it more impactful as a story that Arthur chooses to save John and die a good man.
@@arthurmorgan8529the proper way to play is to be pretty low honor through the first few chapters and see if you can do enough good to get high honor once he gets his tb diagnosis. It's how all my playthrough's play out and it fits his story perfectly. arthur is by no means a good guy until like right before he dies, and even then it's debatable. it's not canon to be a complete high honor, undoubtedly tryna avoid thomas downes cuz of how nice you tryna play out to everyone. then a couple missions later shooting up all of valentine.... then robbing the bank the next chapter. I'd say once sean dies is the earliest I get close to being a high honor arthur. through cinematics early on in the prologue, it's pretty clearly shown that although arthur pulls a lot of the weight(and probably why he is smack dab in the middle of the honor meter in the beginning of the game)he's also the most callous and rough member of the group not named micah. I think in other dialogue, some member, I forget who, is confused why arthur and micah don't get along. I personally think something happened at blackwater between them that kinda changed arthur's morale compass. like other gang members witnessing dutch, and EXACTLY why arthur didn't witness dutch's actions. as players. we'll witness it as the callander twins, or jenny kirk. the writing is on the wall for them to be the next characters.
@@jtzoogodwap *puking noises* did you really have to capitalize all the first letters instead of using proper grammar? it should be: It's not funny, it's true though but again, the only problem was Strauss and Micah. dude forgot commas, and doesn't understand masterofbass1351's humor, which is like an average person's humor.
I think the best part is the difference in timing. The high honor feels like Arthur's life is slipping away and it's beyond his control. The best specific example in this scene is that the conductor only yells "All aboard" in the high honor scenario. Even their conversation doesn't have time to finish. It's awesome details like that which make this the best game ever.
3:02 look at the minute little details dude, look how Reverend bumps into Arthur's arm for a second a Arthur moves slightly to the side, thats just a tiny insignificant detail that just makes it feel so much more real
"You're...well you're, you're not a good man, Arthur..." (90 seconds later) "You lived your life like a man, Arthur and you turned into a good man." Kind of threw me out of the scene. I wish Swanson and Arthur did a handshake in the High Honor too.
I mean, he's not a good man, even on High Honor, he's still an outlaw. But high honor implies his redemption into being a better man, that's what he meant.
Well if you think of a man just as someone who defends his own and does what he has to for his families survival, then he is a man, just not a good one that also cares about doing what's right.
He’s saying that because he knows of almost all of Arthur’s past sins, even the ones we don’t see before the story. He recognizes nobody running in an outlaw gang is entirely “good” but he sees in Arthur that he has a heart, and he also sees that Arthur is slowly changing but Swanson knows for Arthur to be completely redeemed he has to save those he can and let the others rot. It’s better than the nun just telling him “You’re a good man bc the last 2 times we saw each other you helped me” and also Swansons “Save whoever you can and let the rest rot” sounds less corny than “Take a gamble love exists and do a loving act” as if a high honor player wasn’t already a goody two shoes
@@blulikefriendlyhit1213 the criticism was more that he said Arthur was not a good man and then a minute later he said so. It is jarring; would have been better if they chosen a different phrase.
"Leave the lies and the hypocrisy to fools like me" - the deepest, truest and most meaningful thing said by either of them in this entire vid. Low honor ftw!
Watching Arthur cough like that breaks my heart everytime 😢 still think they could've added a secret outcome where through our precise actions Arthur somehow survived & left with Mary. ❤❤
Well said. Since, I never played the game with low honor, I must admit that the subtle dialog changes in the cut scene was very insightful and true to everyday life in the real world.
I played this game like 2-3 times before actually going through most of it with low honor and man some of the dialogue is almost heart wrenching. After some character deaths when Arthur narrates his journal entries just feel so much colder and sad because he almost feels less emotion for his brothers dying.
@@Vinnare I think the spotlight is really on how the culture romanticizes the rebels, even if they have a toxic personality disorder. I think our American cult of personality rewards and glorifies the bad boys persona and that's the reason why the last storyline mission is title, "American Venom." Real people were so quick to defend Dutch's actions because of his charm- but they were quick to rationalize his hypocrisy. And they completely overlooked his cold-blooded murder of an innocent woman; his premeditated murder of Cornwall; his somewhat abandonment of Molly, John, and Arthur (leaving them to die; and leading the rest of the camp in the complete opposite of settling out West. With John and Arthur, their actions were our choice. My playstyle was to stick to the script and stick to the code. I never played so I can just run around terrorizing and shooting up the townsfolk, although I had to fight and shoot my way out of Van horn a couple of times.
I think high honor fits better… Arthur’s story makes sense when it makes him change. When it makes him open his feelings and start amending before life catching on him. I understand low honor playthroughs but I feel high honor is canon for this.
Low- medium low honor up til end of chapter 4. Medium- medium high til he finds out officially that he got TB. After he finds out hes got TB high honor
I love the little details... In the high honor version, Arthur stands by the reverend and only sits when he sits, but in the low honor version he just gives a damn and goes for the seat without waiting. I never noticed things like this even after many playthroughs because usually you never see these scenes back-to-back. Amazing.
Crazy ive played the story 5 times and i NEVER passed up the Sister at any point. Its awesome to see that even 6 years later, theres still cutscenes and things that people still havent seem before! I only wish they included this conversation on top of the conversation with Sister. I feel like having more than one person tell Arthur hes doing right by others would hit so much deeeper
This high honor dialogue resonates so much with me. I do what is right, even if sometimes that is a bad outcome for me, I have multiple times put me in disavantage to help others, altruistic life. Even tho I know I am a good man, sometimes you need to hear other people saying that, and telling you that your life will be fine, because you have done the right thing
How do you get Swanson as a high honor player? I only ever got Sister Calderon, and thought you could only speak to Swanson in that scene if you had low honor...
Arthur interacts with Sister Calderón or Orville Swanson at the end of this mission, based on whether or not "Of Men and Angels" has been finished. Swanson will automatically appear at the end of this mission if it is replayed, regardless of whether the Strangers mission was finished.
Didnt realize there’s other reverends. I got a lady and Arthur said he was “afraid” to die. Thought that was the best scene throughout the entire game. The one moment where he let his guard down.
Not any time soon. The people who now run Rockstar didnt build this game, Benzie's and all the OG's did. The ones now running Rockstar are merely standing on their shoulders, and from how they treated RDR2 Online, Im not so sure we will get another game like this from RS.
I love this game so much man ❤❤❤ The fact that they even went out of their way to change so many cutscenes depending on your choices; and even when the words spoken are still the same, they are even altered ever so slightly in the WAY THEY ARE FREAKING SPOKEN to give a different meaning to those words. Just incredible writing, character development, world building, NPC interactions, everything was done amazingly. Favorite game of all time
Nope. There's no sentimental response in any low honor interaction. For example when Tilly says goodbye and that she'll miss Arthur. High honor Arthur calls her sweetheart and says he'll miss her too. Low honor Arthur tells her not to start getting sentimental.
@@chandlerbraaten847 It feels more realistic though,him not getting emotional and rather keep an act of rogue.I always enjoyed Low Honor in the end,considering how things are sometimes so hopeful and cheery in High,Its grim but considering world we live in i prefer the way it was in low.
@@kolyasmirno9116 It doesn't feel realistic for a man who knows he's about to die to not try and make something meaningful of his life at all. Low honor Arthur is a throwaway character with no depth and no arc; it just appeals to nihilists who don't appreciate the deeper and impactful meaning of the high honor story.
I never paid too much attention to my honor and was always teetering between high and low. I saw the black wolf all the way up till the end when on the last mission the deer showed up. Im so glad i got low honor for this conversation, the dialogue is amazing compared to high "i know you will face your destiny like a man, like a warrior, cause thats what you are"
I knew there was something different in that dialog from the high and low honor gameplays I did but couldn't pin point it. High honor he told him he was worried his path was coming to an end. Then, Low honor he said his path was coming to an end.. Never noticed the early hinting of his tuberculosis though. Rockstar killed it with this game in every aspect!
Munny still chooses to change though and abandon that life for the sake of his children. Low honor Arthur doesn't change for anyone. Inherently they are still very different. Low honor Arthur is clearly just included to give the players a sense of choice, but it really negates the meaning of the story.
@@Dagger_323Low honor Arthur does change. The fact that he can still help John in the end is proof of that. He just doesn't go around and act like he can make for all his killing while near the end of his life and he kills and steals like he always done. I see low honor Arthur as one who knows what he was and doesn't change that just because he is dying. He instead continues being against the world and continues being angry and dodgeful of emotions while still helping people and being loyal to them. Yet, everyone tries to paint him as bad, but he isn't. He knows what he is, and still helps the people he cares about. And remeber, low honor or high honor, Arthur still thinks about going back for the money. As much as people love to say that high honor Arthur is so honorable, he still is thinking about the money when his friend's life is on the line while the friend is running from the law to get to his family. High honor or low honor Arthur get this decision. Arthur redeems himself by helping John up to a certain point and encouraging him to get out of the gang, he redeems himself by kicking out Strauss, he redeems himself by saving Jack's mom even though it would have been easy not to. Everyone tries to paint low honor Arthur as worse than he is and say that he goes against the redemption theme, that isn't true, he just redeems himself while still retaining his brutality that he had before we ever assumed control.
@@channel45853 True low honor Arthur abandons John in the end and goes back for the money. That completely negates his redemption and neutralizes his character arc. Like it or not, none of those things you mentioned redeem Arthur. The thing that redeemed Arthur was sacrificing himself for John to ensure his safety. The same way that John's sacrifice at the end of RDR1 was necessary to solidify his redemption. You can't become redeemed for a life of crime and killing if all you do is kick out a usurer from the gang's camp (but not actually help any of the people he swindled), help a child's mom who is in your own gang by gunning down a Pinkerton Agent who was out to kill you for the whole story anyway, and helping your brother in arms "to a certain point" and then abandoning him in the end of the story to go back for a loot of cash. The only way such a man could find redemption is through an act of selfless self-sacrifice, a "loving act" as Sister Calderon called it. And sorry, but just because High Honor Arthur _thought about_ the money in the end does not negate the fact that he still chooses to not go back for it, and ultimately sacrifices himself to make sure John gets to safety. Abandoning John in that moment is the turning point where Low Honor Arthur forgoes his redemption in the pursuit of greed. There is absolutely no redemption for true Low Honor Arthur.
@@channel45853 You realize that none of the things you brought up actually demonstrate Arthur changing, right? Low honor Arthur is just doing what he's always done: living by his code, defending and assisting those he's associated with, and ultimately looking out for his best interests. High honor Arthur actually portrays him going out of his way and doing things that he never would have done throughout his depraved past, becoming a better and changed man to make his life mean something. Redemption comes from change. Not from doing the same exact things you've always done.
@@channel45853 "Low honor Arthur does change." lol it's funny how you say that and then immediately go on to explain exactly how he DOESN'T change and thus does not achieve his redemption.
if u want to go blackwater as arthur get any bounty poster, then get the bounty. when u have the bounty on your horse u can go to blackwater without bieng caught. hop this helps
The beauty in the actor’s performances. Reverend is genuinely concerned and compassionate for high honor Arthur and concludes by expressing his admiration for him while Arthur himself is disappointed and understanding of Swanson’s decision. He doesn’t leave until the conductor calls to him. Reverend is wholeheartedly terrified of low honor Arthur and is incredibly careful with his words. Even going so far as to make space between Arthur and himself to try to secure some path to escape. He leaves at the first opportunity he believes he’s calmed Arthur enough to walk away peacefully and strokes his ego in order to keep him calm well before the conductor calls. Meanwhile low honor Arthur just doesn’t care what Swanson does and justifies staying by declaring he’s always been a bastard and a fighter. And he smirks while saying his path is coming to an end suggesting he plans some form of comeuppance or revenge against the members of the gang that manipulated him into being this way, which is just Dutch, and has some mental satisfaction that before he dies he’ll get back at them. This game deserved every award in the book.
Ah yes the legendary conversations at the heartlands. Swanson is the reason I wear his belt buckle in RDO as a symbolism of reformity, everchanging, and evolution.
The game makes so much more sense playing with low honor it gives a sense of you get what you get there's no happy ending to a murderer and a theif high honor is too ride off in the sunset for his character he is a broken man that realizes what he is doing wrong but in the hope of redeeming himself even though he knows he doesn't deserve anything better
He dies in both endings how is high honor "ride into the sunset"? It just shows a man using his final moments of life helping people he holds close. Acknowledging you are a bad person while continuing to be a bad person doesn't lead to redemption, knowing you are a bad person and making the effort to fix yourself or right past mistakes is something that leads to redemption, the entire point of the game.l
You know my very first play thru I had the lowest honor the entire time and I truly thought that’s how I wanted my canon Arthur to be, and then Micah shot him in the head, cold and rainy, Arthur was wheezing on his deathbed and Dutch just watched and walked away, it really made me rethink my entire playthrough and I was disappointed in myself for making him go out like that, truly amazing game
I played low honor outlaw first play through, mostly because I had binged watched West World before. It wasn't until the last few chapters I started to have a change of heart. It was one of the debt collection quests where you were sent to take money from the single mother, with I think a sick daughter, but they couldn't pay. I felt really bad and was a bit of an eye opener to how messed up the gang and Dutch really were, and it started to put things in perspective for Arther's life. From then on I played trying to redeem Arther, and my actions fit the story perfectly. I've never had such strong emotions in a game from the story that made me want to rethink my playstyle so dramatically. I ended the game shy of being back at the middle of the system. I got the low honor ending, but I can't complain. I still felt redeemed. Honestly I like the low honor ending more, because I hate it when the villain walks away from his ONE GOLDEN CHANCE to put down the good guy in such manner. Plus it felt like a fitting end for my playthrough. RDR2 is the perfect example of you only play the first time once.
I know this is all camera angles but I like how light is used in these two scenes. In the high honor one Arthur's head is very conveniently placed to block the bark cliffs behind him and everything is completely washed in golden sunlight. In the low honor scene his head is used to starkly divide the dark cliffs from the sunset and the camera is set wider to get a shot of the storm on the horizon as the Reverend gets on the train. Its little stuff like that along with the changes in body language that are just *chef's kiss*
I would argue that red dead redemption 2 makes more sense from a low honor perspective - Arthur Morgan knows one way to live, and that is brutally, without compromise. He is an outlaw; one that will fight tooth and nail for those he loves, and one that will develop hatred for those who betray and discard him. As he descends into the madness that is chapter 6, and his death seems all the more imminent while the camp - his family - falls apart, he clings to the last thing he can - John. His fellow soldier and brother in arms. One that shares his suspicions of Dutch and his emotions. However, Arthur is not sentimental, nor is he doing what he is doing for himself. John is the last real part his family left, he fights like a rabid dog to protect him and his family, and in the end, dies to protect them. Later on, John and the remainder of the gang ride to avenge Arthur - an event that only makes sense if Micah is the reason Arthur dies, which in low honor is a gunshot to the head. Another interesting thing of note is that Arthur predicts he’d go out that way in chapter 2 - with a bullet through him. I believe a lot of people forget that RDR2 is a game meant to expand upon the past of John Marston. Sure, Arthur is our protagonist, and he is his own individual, but he, in the end, only serves to be a piece of what John is in RDR1. Red Dead is his story. John is the one who redeems his past or selfish behavior. Arthur was simply a stepping stone in making it to the light. Never once does John make any mention of “good men” in his gang during the events of RDR1, which high honor Arthur very much is. He says that they were all bad. Every one of them. So, imo believe Arthur was just as bad as the rest of them. Low honor Arthur makes more sense with red dead 1 in perspective, and fits more in line with the tone of the games.
When I played rdr2 for the fisrt time... I got that scene with low honor. And I understood the warning. After that scene I tried to do everything to make my honor higher. And I did it. In last mission. I finished the game with high honor... I saw the deer... I was so fucking proud. "But I tried.. At the end... I did". These words were much better in my game.
This frickin game...I swear, no movie, book, or other ANY form of media has had me so emotionally involved as this masterpiece of a "video game." You can just tell how much love and passion went into this project. We owe them all so much, besides our $60..
The thing i like the most about the low honor dialogue, is that reverend don't ever get to judge arthur about the things he did. He doesn't tell him that his bad and he deserves a bad ending for it, he simply say that he lived his live his way and will die his way. Not judging in any moment.
I mean, these cutscenes are ultimately pointless if you just decide to go around doing good deeds to replenish your honor (which there are plenty of by the end of the game because god forbid rockstar had the gall to lock your honor permanently at some point in the late-game).
Yeah, because locking karma would fly in the face of what the game is trying to say 'it's never too late to find redemption.' locking you into low honor past a certain point is literally antithetical to the games core message.
I played with the intention of low honor once i found out about the system. As time went on, i would slowly start making the right choices because of Arthur. I have never felt so many feelings all in the span of one game. I cant explain it. I just wanted Arthur to be played like he deserved...with high honor. Im just not capable of letting Arthur sink that low when he just deserved the best. Rockstar made an incredible protagonist once again. This game is and will forever be a masterpiece
1:10 he leans in 3:35 he moves away while saying the parallel dialogue about his path. Crazy good detail w body language. Never would have noticed without the side by side, body language is so subtle it could have been him just adjusting to face Arthur but now we know...he's inspired by or scared around Arthur
I love how at the start of high honor, reverend looks down, ashamed of himself, ashamed of leaving everyone. However with low honor, reverend just stares at Arthur, scared of him, scared of what he might do to him.
I remember my first play through I had low honor because I didn’t care about it, but I always loved reverend, when he showed up I would always help him and try to not be a horrible person to him, and when I got this scene I was crying, but also happy that he got out before everything went to hell
The second cutscene is also triggered if you kill a lot of people even if you have high honor. I've played it twice to test this theory and in both of them i got the second cutscene
It's crazy the number of small details that are affected by Arthurs actions. He struck me as a good man that has done bad things because he's in a bad situation. Because it's all he's ever known. Vs someone like Micah who is just plain evil, or Dutch, who is delusional. I chose to play high honor on my first playthrough. It is a redemption story after all.
I played the game like an outlaw and I died like a dog. I didn’t think about the consequences. I never thought Arthur would die. I never played the first one either and i haven’t touched story mode since. What a great game
I saw this video pop up, didn't watch it, I opened the game and literally just got this cutscene, word for word, atleast my honor isn't in the red, but now I know I need to increase it
For those who don't know, there are 3 seperate cutscenes for this mission 1. Low honor: Having any low honor will have the cutscene with Reverend where Arthur declares that his path is coming to an end, that this is it, his end is here and he's accepted it. He's lived bad and he knows it, but can't help it. He can't be bothered with the consequences that will fall on others upon his death, he just knows that he won't have to keep fighting for anyone anymore. In contrast, 2. High Honor, no Sister Cauldron missions: This is the cutscene we see at the start, it showcases a more compassionate man, caring for all others who he knows are atleast decent in life, he's more open to admit that he's afraid, as he actually is in this case, he's scared he can't help everyone in time is due, he knows the gang is falling apart and is only focused on making sure that those who had no choice but to join or live their whole lives in the gang get to be free and safe, primarily Jack and Abigail, as he himself knows how it is to lose a family, given the loss of his son, Isaac and lover, Eliza, and lastly 3. High Honor, all Sister Cauldron missions: This is yet another great showcase of how arthur has changed for the better, helping not just the gang and people he know, but strangers too, if it just be a bit of change to a begger, to teaching people all they need to do to survive. He's not too inclined to share his fears at first, but as he learns how everyone is not perfect, nor fully good, he realizes that all he can do now is keep helping folk and giving them the troubleless life he never could have. This game. Wow.
Reverend seems so much more sure of himself in low honor. As others pointed out, he’s short and sweet and to the point, he boards the train before the condoctur announces the final call and he doesn’t have a shaky voice like he did in high honor. I love the attention to detail in this game. Wish online got the vip treatment GTA online did but oh well
Wow, look at that detail. The light glowing through Arthur's ears when lit from behind. Who would have thought that such detail would be built into this game. Amazing. And this scene? It is part of the story that truly has Shakespearean dramatic quality.
My first play through was with high honor. And after i completed the story i wanted it to play it again with low honor just to see how the story would change, and ultimately i eneded up completing the story with high honor again for the second time. After many years i came back to this game and again I'm playing it with high honor. There's something about this game that just doesn't let me bring myself to play it evil. I guess that makes Arthur actually a good man.
First time i played this game and saw the karma meter again i thought “well im an outlaw so im gonna do an evil playthrough first” then artur got sick and the gang turned on him so i really got driven to seek Fing “redemtion”. Literally everything about this game is so Fing perfect.
I found it interesting how in high honour the conductor yells all aboard before Reverend leaves, maybe showing that Reverend would have talked longer if he had a few more minutes. But in low honour Reverend leaves before the conductor yells this, showing that Reverend had no more to say.
He acted scared of Arthur in low honor and couldn't wait to get away from him.
Great observation! The Reverend said all he needed to say to low honor Arthur 💔
This is just great, thank you for comment!
I think him saying all aboard on good honor and not on bad means Arthur would aboard heaven if he was good and not if he was bad
Noticed the same but what I noticed was the cutscene ended earlier as compared to good honor cutscene,Just shows he don't want to talk that much to a low honor arthur
**Proceeds to ride straight to Saint Denis and greet every NPC in the city for max honor**
And accidentally trampling peds with your horse while leaving 😂
Sounds super wack to do, still an outlaw no matter how many times you do that
Nah @@luislomeli8732
or go fishing and relesing fish:-)
That's is not possible or it is good luck doing it for 8h
"You don't get to live a bad life and have good things happen to you."
-Arthur Morgan
Sad thing is most people live good lives and still don't have good things happen to them.
@@ANDREWSAMY562 Or they're so focused on the bad things that they don't realize how much good they actually have
No trust me, it's the first thing. No matter how hard you focus on the good things, if the bad ones outweigh them tenfold it's a pointless war
@@yasininn76 Love this comment.
@@yasininn76 I understand it may feel that way, but it's a matter of perspective. Life is constant struggle, but if you keep reminding yourself of the good things you take for granted, you will start seeing your life completely differently
If it’s a bad story, I’ll do an evil play through for laughs. If it’s a decent story, I’ll do a good play through and then an evil one. But if it’s a great story, I can’t bring myself to play it evil.
😂 I've played it through twice properly (taking my time, completing all the sides and random missions etc) with the intentions of the second one being low honour.. second play through had even higher honour than the first
Same man. i wanted te restart RDR2 and do it in low honor. BUT I CAN’T. The story that I did.. In full full full honor I just can’t do it again and be extra mean to people💀 makes me sad lol
That's understandable I'm on my 21 play through of Red Dead Redemption 2 and I never played with low honor once because I never really could I like to think that High Honor Arthur is the cannon ending to Arthur Story where he's not a good man but still tries to help people even when he got sick Dutch and Micah going crazy to the point where Arthur is willing to sacrifice himself to allow John to live with his family and knowing by letting John live his life after the Gang Arthur knows he won despite Micah thinking otherwise
You should definitely try it. Idk why people are so terrified of low honor when hardly anything changes, low honor DOES NOT mean “evil”, low honor Arthur is just a more cold and self interested person. They only act like Arthur low honor is a psychopath bc people are lazy and go on mass killing sprees just to get rid of all their honor fast, but if you start the game utilizing the rob mechanic and knocking people out and looting them you’ll gain low honor much more naturally and more in character for Arthur
@@josephstalin2606 It's not that I'm terrified of doing a low honor playthrough it's just I always want to do high honor playthrough
The conversation with the sister is probably better in my opinion. She is an outside influence, someone who isn't an outlaw or criminal, and she still praises Arthur in spite of him openly confessing his criminal past to her. Instead of running to the nearest authorities and turning Arthur in, she saw him as a struggling child of God who needed help and guidance. It goes to show that anyone can change course in their lives and progress and move forward and become better no matter what they've done in their past.
And that is the true meaning behind both RDR games, something that not too many people acknowledge.
I completely agree with you.
« Take a gamble that love exist, and do a loving act! »
Yup
You can Rob her in RDR1
This game has better acting, cinematography and dialogue than some movies, I swear...
Well games are praised for those very reasons but then again they take several more years to to make than a film
Yea, it’s the length of like 10 movies.
@@CenoriaWoah its basically like a netflix show not a movie
@@mrdemonictaco5879 Yeah, but few Netflix shows are like this. The Crown and Peaky Blinders are the some of the ones that come to mind.
The voice acting and cinematography are great but the writing in this game is awful, it's like the game and story were made seperately, go do a bank heist and kill 75 enemies then hear Arthur after "I feel like I'm a bad man, am I bad man?" like yeah no shit buddy. Not to mention no matter what you do the outcome is the same, all the changes is you get a stupid ass deer gif in the background over your body if you're good or wolf if you're bad. I felt like I wasted my time playing in a particular way.
Reverend: "Just Make sure you go say Howdy Partner to 1000 people."
Do your rounds, make amends. You'll be forgiven.😂😂😂
@@ElGranSantohomie sounds Catholic
😂
@@agentbertmacklin9880it works just like that in the game lmao. The honor system is Catholic lmao
Got my honor tanked last time I played after an entire save file being damn near a saint because of a tiny little massive 40 minute farm shootout against waves of cops because I tried to stop a lynching in the woods, and the subsequent patrolling bounty hunter death squads that also tank your honor for fighting them.
So whenever I play again this is unironically good advice, because I don't want to advance any missions on low honor and get the asshole Arthur versions of the cutscenes and journals.
You lived your way... You die your way 😢
😢
@@adushaiq😢
You live by the gun you die by the gun.
52 Jesus then said, 'Put your sword back, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
(St. Matthew 26)
@@thenoobgamer816 Mkay.
I kinda like the low honour dialogue better - more fits the position Arthur's in - but high honor story's better
Same
The high honor num scene makes more sense thats why
no low honor is more fitting
I agree
@@synth648 with whom
Man the subtle changes! In high honour, Arthur taps his arm in a polite way to get him to sit with him. In the low honour Arthur just sits, thinking only about himself.
Reverend only leaves in high honour because he has to, his train is leaving and the conductor has called for him to board. In low honour he runs away before he has to because he doesn’t want to be around Arthur longer than he needs to be.
Nilla it ain’t that deep
Arthur swaggers and postures more in the low honour one too, that was the first thing I noticed. That and the Rev holding his book like a shield
@@SovTheCherub except it is because someone had to manually move each and every part of the animation and replay and rework and replay them so everything is done with attention for the fine details
"Save those you can, let the rest rot and look after yourself"
Actual life advise
Comes off more like selfish life advice to me.
@@StarwayBunny "Save those you can". Being altruitic and being an idiot are two different things. If you throw your life away trying to save those you can't, then you're an idiot.
@@ziwawe I'd call it more "selfless to a fault."
@@StarwayBunny Not really, simply means you can't save everybody. Not everybody is open to changing. That's their choice, not your guilt to carry. Some people need to go through hell to change, do you want to go through it with them?
@@take7upyours822 If they're 100% not open to changing for the better or making any attempt to improve, then yes I would say sayonara. But I'd make it clear that if they ever want to change I would be there for them.
Fun Fact : this cutscene only unlocks if you don't meet the sister at any point of time.
In my first playthrough I didn't met her I got this, in second I met her I didn't got this.
thankyou
I met the sister completed her missions and got her
I got both
No if you low honor you will always meet reverend
Incorrect, Sister comes if you are high honor and Reverend comes if you are low honor.
You can tell how goddamn terrified Swanson is in this scene. You can really tell how fear inducing Arthur was even up to and after he started really getting sick.
He did kick the piss out of Micah when he was literally minutes away from succumbing to tuberculosis
@@sirlothric6357Last fight pissed me off so much the first time I played it. I knocked Micah all over that mountain top the only hits he got in were scripted ones. You can manoever Micah around to a position where you can knock him off the cliff and you get a "Mission Failed - Micah Died" lol wut? Its a fight to the death.
I get its a scripted part of the story but with the detail Rockstar puts in they should have had a secret ending where you can throw him off the Cliff.
They could have still had the epilogue as John, and had rumors Micah survived, hell have him turn up in a wheel chair at the end of American Venom or something.
@@stevepalpatine2828Micah rolling up in a wheelchair like "hey Scarface, Blacklung got me pretty good, huh?" is the single funniest thing i've ever imagined
@@TarsilyWasTaken I'm imagining it squeak as he rolls up lmao
@@stevepalpatine2828Yeah that's the problem with the last few Rockstar games - the open world is so non-linear whereas the missions are so linear, and often give you nonsense BS reasons for failing when the real reason is simply "you went off script". That one bothered me, but it got really annoying when you get a bronze medal for a mission because it only shows you what you were being judged on *after*. I guess the idea was so you weren't distracted and enjoyed the experience first time without feeling like you were being graded.
NakeyJakey's video "Rockstar's Game Design Is Outdated" sums this up perfectly.
For me the canon conversation is with sister calderon
i think it depends on the side missions you must done chruch side mission
That is the canon version.
@senseiMcAllister for some reason I can't play Arthur as a low honor bad guy. Even my first playthrough I made enough good choices so Arthur died at the top of the mountain rather than at the bottom at the hands of ratboy
Same. I can’t justify Arthur dying a bad man. My head canon is that he’s either good the whole game or bad then good. It just makes it more impactful as a story that Arthur chooses to save John and die a good man.
@@arthurmorgan8529the proper way to play is to be pretty low honor through the first few chapters and see if you can do enough good to get high honor once he gets his tb diagnosis. It's how all my playthrough's play out and it fits his story perfectly. arthur is by no means a good guy until like right before he dies, and even then it's debatable. it's not canon to be a complete high honor, undoubtedly tryna avoid thomas downes cuz of how nice you tryna play out to everyone. then a couple missions later shooting up all of valentine.... then robbing the bank the next chapter. I'd say once sean dies is the earliest I get close to being a high honor arthur. through cinematics early on in the prologue, it's pretty clearly shown that although arthur pulls a lot of the weight(and probably why he is smack dab in the middle of the honor meter in the beginning of the game)he's also the most callous and rough member of the group not named micah. I think in other dialogue, some member, I forget who, is confused why arthur and micah don't get along. I personally think something happened at blackwater between them that kinda changed arthur's morale compass. like other gang members witnessing dutch, and EXACTLY why arthur didn't witness dutch's actions. as players. we'll witness it as the callander twins, or jenny kirk. the writing is on the wall for them to be the next characters.
The Rev scoots away from Arthur remembering he’s got TB 😂
It’s Not Funny It’s True Tho But Then Again The Only Problem Was Strauss And Micah
@@jtzoogodwap *puking noises* did you really have to capitalize all the first letters instead of using proper grammar?
it should be:
It's not funny, it's true though but again, the only problem was Strauss and Micah.
dude forgot commas, and doesn't understand masterofbass1351's humor, which is like an average person's humor.
@@TheCatstronautyap
Absolutely rascal way of typing something. L@@jtzoogodwap
@@TheCatstronaut always got to have a grammar nazi in the comment section.
I think the best part is the difference in timing. The high honor feels like Arthur's life is slipping away and it's beyond his control. The best specific example in this scene is that the conductor only yells "All aboard" in the high honor scenario. Even their conversation doesn't have time to finish. It's awesome details like that which make this the best game ever.
this is off topic but 3:24 the realism is so good that the light shines through his ear and makes it look red
I thought I was the only one who appreciated this
"My path is coming to an end Reverend." 😭 The conviction he says this with in low honor--owie, my heart.
Should have said "My path is coming to a reverend"
@@Broelapegood one lmao
3:02 look at the minute little details dude, look how Reverend bumps into Arthur's arm for a second a Arthur moves slightly to the side, thats just a tiny insignificant detail that just makes it feel so much more real
I wish I could go back in time and play this game over for the first time. It's truly a one of a kind experience.
Just rebuy it. I recently did that got it for 20 bucks at Walmart
@@adamhicks-r9h I already own the game...I'm talking about playing it for the first time again to feel how special it was the first time around.
This and the last of us 💯💯💯
Play it again in 10 years. You will forget a lot of the story.
@strider1237 do it with mods.
Game is still beautiful after six years.
It desperately needs a next gen patch for Xbox Series X/S and PS5. Adding raytracing to this like they did to GTA V would be incredible.
6 years and beaten the game 3 times. Its so weird how RDR2 is 6 years old and still one of the most realistic games now.
@@WystericalHysteria Rockstar are just a different breed.
ITS BEEN 6 YEARS?!?!?
@@Justinbadger4I legit thought it has been 2 years
"You're...well you're, you're not a good man, Arthur..."
(90 seconds later)
"You lived your life like a man, Arthur and you turned into a good man."
Kind of threw me out of the scene. I wish Swanson and Arthur did a handshake in the High Honor too.
I mean, he's not a good man, even on High Honor, he's still an outlaw. But high honor implies his redemption into being a better man, that's what he meant.
Well if you think of a man just as someone who defends his own and does what he has to for his families survival, then he is a man, just not a good one that also cares about doing what's right.
He’s saying that because he knows of almost all of Arthur’s past sins, even the ones we don’t see before the story. He recognizes nobody running in an outlaw gang is entirely “good” but he sees in Arthur that he has a heart, and he also sees that Arthur is slowly changing but Swanson knows for Arthur to be completely redeemed he has to save those he can and let the others rot. It’s better than the nun just telling him “You’re a good man bc the last 2 times we saw each other you helped me” and also Swansons “Save whoever you can and let the rest rot” sounds less corny than “Take a gamble love exists and do a loving act” as if a high honor player wasn’t already a goody two shoes
@@blulikefriendlyhit1213 the criticism was more that he said Arthur was not a good man and then a minute later he said so. It is jarring; would have been better if they chosen a different phrase.
@@ingen_nate_kenny6588 It's Strauss at the end of the day, what do you expect
I can hear the fear in reverends voice and it makes the game so real and worth whatever price tag is on it right now
60$ is still worth it. This game is pure magic.
Rn on Xbox red dead collection is just over $52
@@spinningpeanutI got it last year at Walmart for $20 dollars😅 hell of a sale for a hell of a game
i got it free , well it came with my play station online subscription
"Leave the lies and the hypocrisy to fools like me" - the deepest, truest and most meaningful thing said by either of them in this entire vid. Low honor ftw!
Watching Arthur cough like that breaks my heart everytime 😢 still think they could've added a secret outcome where through our precise actions Arthur somehow survived & left with Mary. ❤❤
What if that true
That's disney not Rockstar
@@liamsdad33"and they lived happily ever after" ass 😂
no good endings for outlaws
@@liamsdad33 deadass lmao
Even when you had low honor, Reverend still supported you.. 😢
Well said. Since, I never played the game with low honor, I must admit that the subtle dialog changes in the cut scene was very insightful and true to everyday life in the real world.
I played this game like 2-3 times before actually going through most of it with low honor and man some of the dialogue is almost heart wrenching. After some character deaths when Arthur narrates his journal entries just feel so much colder and sad because he almost feels less emotion for his brothers dying.
@@Vinnare I think the spotlight is really on how the culture romanticizes the rebels, even if they have a toxic personality disorder. I think our American cult of personality rewards and glorifies the bad boys persona and that's the reason why the last storyline mission is title, "American Venom."
Real people were so quick to defend Dutch's actions because of his charm- but they were quick to rationalize his hypocrisy. And they completely overlooked his cold-blooded murder of an innocent woman; his premeditated murder of Cornwall; his somewhat abandonment of Molly, John, and Arthur (leaving them to die; and leading the rest of the camp in the complete opposite of settling out West.
With John and Arthur, their actions were our choice. My playstyle was to stick to the script and stick to the code. I never played so I can just run around terrorizing and shooting up the townsfolk, although I had to fight and shoot my way out of Van horn a couple of times.
I think high honor fits better… Arthur’s story makes sense when it makes him change. When it makes him open his feelings and start amending before life catching on him. I understand low honor playthroughs but I feel high honor is canon for this.
Well yeah, that's the whole point of redemption.
Low- medium low honor up til end of chapter 4. Medium- medium high til he finds out officially that he got TB. After he finds out hes got TB high honor
that’s why the game is called red dead redemption
Arthur still redeems himself regardless of honor by realizing how Dutch has gone crazy and helping John and his family
@@anqr7193unless he goes back for the money
Low honor Arthur's dialogue is interesting but scary. High honor Arthur's feels honest but restrained especially when he talks to sister
I love the little details... In the high honor version, Arthur stands by the reverend and only sits when he sits, but in the low honor version he just gives a damn and goes for the seat without waiting. I never noticed things like this even after many playthroughs because usually you never see these scenes back-to-back. Amazing.
Crazy ive played the story 5 times and i NEVER passed up the Sister at any point. Its awesome to see that even 6 years later, theres still cutscenes and things that people still havent seem before! I only wish they included this conversation on top of the conversation with Sister. I feel like having more than one person tell Arthur hes doing right by others would hit so much deeeper
It's really interesting to see Swanson seemingly know exactly what Arthur needed to hear, whether he was good or bad.
Well, he IS a Reverend. Shepherding broken and lost souls is kind of what they do.
This high honor dialogue resonates so much with me.
I do what is right, even if sometimes that is a bad outcome for me, I have multiple times put me in disavantage to help others, altruistic life.
Even tho I know I am a good man, sometimes you need to hear other people saying that, and telling you that your life will be fine, because you have done the right thing
How do you get Swanson as a high honor player? I only ever got Sister Calderon, and thought you could only speak to Swanson in that scene if you had low honor...
You'll get Swanson if you never met Sister Calderon in Saint Denis through the game.
Arthur interacts with Sister Calderón or Orville Swanson at the end of this mission, based on whether or not "Of Men and Angels" has been finished. Swanson will automatically appear at the end of this mission if it is replayed, regardless of whether the Strangers mission was finished.
That kind of sucks I’d rather have this scene
@@Player_7 Good to know, thanks for the info! 🤠👍
@@SongsForSorrows That makes a whole lot of sense, thanks for that! 🤠👍
The conversation with the nun is more emotional in my opinion
I didn't know that... Reverend was supposed to be there? I was greeted by the nun.
Didnt realize there’s other reverends. I got a lady and Arthur said he was “afraid” to die. Thought that was the best scene throughout the entire game. The one moment where he let his guard down.
yeah you got Sister Calderon, she was a wholesome character.
The way he talks really shows how he changed. May god bless us with another game this quality.
No no I don't want a new game that could ruin it
DID YOU SEE WHAT THEY DONE TO BATMAN IN SUICIDE SQUAD?
Not any time soon.
The people who now run Rockstar didnt build this game, Benzie's and all the OG's did. The ones now running Rockstar are merely standing on their shoulders, and from how they treated RDR2 Online, Im not so sure we will get another game like this from RS.
Sister Calderon's conversation with Arthur is great, but I wish we could get both conversations in a playthrough.
I agree. The one with Reverend should have been first and the one with Sister Calderon's should have been the second. Depends on our honour.
@oskarurbas4970 and without Reverend's scene, he just randomly disappears in a high honor playthrough with Sister Calderon.
I love this game so much man ❤❤❤ The fact that they even went out of their way to change so many cutscenes depending on your choices; and even when the words spoken are still the same, they are even altered ever so slightly in the WAY THEY ARE FREAKING SPOKEN to give a different meaning to those words. Just incredible writing, character development, world building, NPC interactions, everything was done amazingly. Favorite game of all time
I know most people prefer the banter with the sister but I like this one much much more. It feels more personal.
This game is 5 years old, it will be 6 years old this year, and it *still* is one of the best-looking games I've ever seen.
The voice actors gave their soul in this game
I love how even arthurs inflection on each word changes with the honor
The entire game gives hints to the end. You can say this about a ton of scenes.
Just say "Hello there" to a bunch of unknow people.
wow so there's no sentimental in low honor
Nope. There's no sentimental response in any low honor interaction. For example when Tilly says goodbye and that she'll miss Arthur. High honor Arthur calls her sweetheart and says he'll miss her too. Low honor Arthur tells her not to start getting sentimental.
@@chandlerbraaten847 It feels more realistic though,him not getting emotional and rather keep an act of rogue.I always enjoyed Low Honor in the end,considering how things are sometimes so hopeful and cheery in High,Its grim but considering world we live in i prefer the way it was in low.
@@kolyasmirno9116 It doesn't feel realistic for a man who knows he's about to die to not try and make something meaningful of his life at all. Low honor Arthur is a throwaway character with no depth and no arc; it just appeals to nihilists who don't appreciate the deeper and impactful meaning of the high honor story.
agreed @@kolyasmirno9116
fair enough@@chandlerbraaten847
I never paid too much attention to my honor and was always teetering between high and low. I saw the black wolf all the way up till the end when on the last mission the deer showed up. Im so glad i got low honor for this conversation, the dialogue is amazing compared to high "i know you will face your destiny like a man, like a warrior, cause thats what you are"
I knew there was something different in that dialog from the high and low honor gameplays I did but couldn't pin point it. High honor he told him he was worried his path was coming to an end. Then, Low honor he said his path was coming to an end.. Never noticed the early hinting of his tuberculosis though. Rockstar killed it with this game in every aspect!
I love how Low honour Arthur feels like William Munny from unforgiven he does not like himself but he accepts himself in the end.
Munny still chooses to change though and abandon that life for the sake of his children. Low honor Arthur doesn't change for anyone. Inherently they are still very different. Low honor Arthur is clearly just included to give the players a sense of choice, but it really negates the meaning of the story.
@@Dagger_323Low honor Arthur does change.
The fact that he can still help John in the end is proof of that. He just doesn't go around and act like he can make for all his killing while near the end of his life and he kills and steals like he always done.
I see low honor Arthur as one who knows what he was and doesn't change that just because he is dying. He instead continues being against the world and continues being angry and dodgeful of emotions while still helping people and being loyal to them.
Yet, everyone tries to paint him as bad, but he isn't. He knows what he is, and still helps the people he cares about. And remeber, low honor or high honor, Arthur still thinks about going back for the money. As much as people love to say that high honor Arthur is so honorable, he still is thinking about the money when his friend's life is on the line while the friend is running from the law to get to his family. High honor or low honor Arthur get this decision.
Arthur redeems himself by helping John up to a certain point and encouraging him to get out of the gang, he redeems himself by kicking out Strauss, he redeems himself by saving Jack's mom even though it would have been easy not to.
Everyone tries to paint low honor Arthur as worse than he is and say that he goes against the redemption theme, that isn't true, he just redeems himself while still retaining his brutality that he had before we ever assumed control.
@@channel45853 True low honor Arthur abandons John in the end and goes back for the money. That completely negates his redemption and neutralizes his character arc. Like it or not, none of those things you mentioned redeem Arthur. The thing that redeemed Arthur was sacrificing himself for John to ensure his safety. The same way that John's sacrifice at the end of RDR1 was necessary to solidify his redemption.
You can't become redeemed for a life of crime and killing if all you do is kick out a usurer from the gang's camp (but not actually help any of the people he swindled), help a child's mom who is in your own gang by gunning down a Pinkerton Agent who was out to kill you for the whole story anyway, and helping your brother in arms "to a certain point" and then abandoning him in the end of the story to go back for a loot of cash. The only way such a man could find redemption is through an act of selfless self-sacrifice, a "loving act" as Sister Calderon called it.
And sorry, but just because High Honor Arthur _thought about_ the money in the end does not negate the fact that he still chooses to not go back for it, and ultimately sacrifices himself to make sure John gets to safety. Abandoning John in that moment is the turning point where Low Honor Arthur forgoes his redemption in the pursuit of greed. There is absolutely no redemption for true Low Honor Arthur.
@@channel45853 You realize that none of the things you brought up actually demonstrate Arthur changing, right? Low honor Arthur is just doing what he's always done: living by his code, defending and assisting those he's associated with, and ultimately looking out for his best interests. High honor Arthur actually portrays him going out of his way and doing things that he never would have done throughout his depraved past, becoming a better and changed man to make his life mean something. Redemption comes from change. Not from doing the same exact things you've always done.
@@channel45853 "Low honor Arthur does change." lol it's funny how you say that and then immediately go on to explain exactly how he DOESN'T change and thus does not achieve his redemption.
playing woth low honor is the most challenging thing cause you don’t wanna do it but it adds more to the story
if u want to go blackwater as arthur get any bounty poster, then get the bounty. when u have the bounty on your horse u can go to blackwater without bieng caught. hop this helps
The low honor conversation really gives vibes of "you're talking to the crazy man in the bus so he doesn't kill you"
A man only lives once but hell is forever
“You’re not a good man, Arthur”
Literally a minute later
“You turned into a good man”
Top tier dialogue
The beauty in the actor’s performances. Reverend is genuinely concerned and compassionate for high honor Arthur and concludes by expressing his admiration for him while Arthur himself is disappointed and understanding of Swanson’s decision. He doesn’t leave until the conductor calls to him.
Reverend is wholeheartedly terrified of low honor Arthur and is incredibly careful with his words. Even going so far as to make space between Arthur and himself to try to secure some path to escape. He leaves at the first opportunity he believes he’s calmed Arthur enough to walk away peacefully and strokes his ego in order to keep him calm well before the conductor calls. Meanwhile low honor Arthur just doesn’t care what Swanson does and justifies staying by declaring he’s always been a bastard and a fighter. And he smirks while saying his path is coming to an end suggesting he plans some form of comeuppance or revenge against the members of the gang that manipulated him into being this way, which is just Dutch, and has some mental satisfaction that before he dies he’ll get back at them.
This game deserved every award in the book.
Ah yes the legendary conversations at the heartlands. Swanson is the reason I wear his belt buckle in RDO as a symbolism of reformity, everchanging, and evolution.
The game makes so much more sense playing with low honor it gives a sense of you get what you get there's no happy ending to a murderer and a theif high honor is too ride off in the sunset for his character he is a broken man that realizes what he is doing wrong but in the hope of redeeming himself even though he knows he doesn't deserve anything better
He dies in both endings how is high honor "ride into the sunset"? It just shows a man using his final moments of life helping people he holds close. Acknowledging you are a bad person while continuing to be a bad person doesn't lead to redemption, knowing you are a bad person and making the effort to fix yourself or right past mistakes is something that leads to redemption, the entire point of the game.l
You know my very first play thru I had the lowest honor the entire time and I truly thought that’s how I wanted my canon Arthur to be, and then Micah shot him in the head, cold and rainy, Arthur was wheezing on his deathbed and Dutch just watched and walked away, it really made me rethink my entire playthrough and I was disappointed in myself for making him go out like that, truly amazing game
I played low honor outlaw first play through, mostly because I had binged watched West World before.
It wasn't until the last few chapters I started to have a change of heart.
It was one of the debt collection quests where you were sent to take money from the single mother, with I think a sick daughter, but they couldn't pay. I felt really bad and was a bit of an eye opener to how messed up the gang and Dutch really were, and it started to put things in perspective for Arther's life.
From then on I played trying to redeem Arther, and my actions fit the story perfectly.
I've never had such strong emotions in a game from the story that made me want to rethink my playstyle so dramatically.
I ended the game shy of being back at the middle of the system.
I got the low honor ending, but I can't complain.
I still felt redeemed.
Honestly I like the low honor ending more, because I hate it when the villain walks away from his ONE GOLDEN CHANCE to put down the good guy in such manner. Plus it felt like a fitting end for my playthrough.
RDR2 is the perfect example of you only play the first time once.
I know this is all camera angles but I like how light is used in these two scenes. In the high honor one Arthur's head is very conveniently placed to block the bark cliffs behind him and everything is completely washed in golden sunlight. In the low honor scene his head is used to starkly divide the dark cliffs from the sunset and the camera is set wider to get a shot of the storm on the horizon as the Reverend gets on the train. Its little stuff like that along with the changes in body language that are just *chef's kiss*
I would argue that red dead redemption 2 makes more sense from a low honor perspective - Arthur Morgan knows one way to live, and that is brutally, without compromise. He is an outlaw; one that will fight tooth and nail for those he loves, and one that will develop hatred for those who betray and discard him. As he descends into the madness that is chapter 6, and his death seems all the more imminent while the camp - his family - falls apart, he clings to the last thing he can - John. His fellow soldier and brother in arms. One that shares his suspicions of Dutch and his emotions. However, Arthur is not sentimental, nor is he doing what he is doing for himself. John is the last real part his family left, he fights like a rabid dog to protect him and his family, and in the end, dies to protect them.
Later on, John and the remainder of the gang ride to avenge Arthur - an event that only makes sense if Micah is the reason Arthur dies, which in low honor is a gunshot to the head. Another interesting thing of note is that Arthur predicts he’d go out that way in chapter 2 - with a bullet through him.
I believe a lot of people forget that RDR2 is a game meant to expand upon the past of John Marston. Sure, Arthur is our protagonist, and he is his own individual, but he, in the end, only serves to be a piece of what John is in RDR1. Red Dead is his story. John is the one who redeems his past or selfish behavior. Arthur was simply a stepping stone in making it to the light.
Never once does John make any mention of “good men” in his gang during the events of RDR1, which high honor Arthur very much is. He says that they were all bad. Every one of them.
So, imo believe Arthur was just as bad as the rest of them. Low honor Arthur makes more sense with red dead 1 in perspective, and fits more in line with the tone of the games.
When I played rdr2 for the fisrt time... I got that scene with low honor. And I understood the warning. After that scene I tried to do everything to make my honor higher. And I did it. In last mission. I finished the game with high honor... I saw the deer... I was so fucking proud. "But I tried.. At the end... I did". These words were much better in my game.
Seeing Arthur sick like this still hurts. 😢 That’s my boah!
Even the Reverend's inflections change between versions of the cutscene, not just the lines.
Good attention to detail.
Wisdom will bring kind and enjoy for you but stupid things will bring you only suffering in the future
My first playthrough i had no idea about the honor system and i was so confused when my game would suddenly chime, and that ending surprised me 💀
If you complete secondary missions, a sister will talk to you instead.
This frickin game...I swear, no movie, book, or other ANY form of media has had me so emotionally involved as this masterpiece of a "video game." You can just tell how much love and passion went into this project. We owe them all so much, besides our $60..
The thing i like the most about the low honor dialogue, is that reverend don't ever get to judge arthur about the things he did. He doesn't tell him that his bad and he deserves a bad ending for it, he simply say that he lived his live his way and will die his way. Not judging in any moment.
I mean, these cutscenes are ultimately pointless if you just decide to go around doing good deeds to replenish your honor (which there are plenty of by the end of the game because god forbid rockstar had the gall to lock your honor permanently at some point in the late-game).
Although the low-honor version of this cutscene gave me more respect for Reverend.
Yeah, because locking karma would fly in the face of what the game is trying to say 'it's never too late to find redemption.' locking you into low honor past a certain point is literally antithetical to the games core message.
I played with the intention of low honor once i found out about the system. As time went on, i would slowly start making the right choices because of Arthur. I have never felt so many feelings all in the span of one game. I cant explain it. I just wanted Arthur to be played like he deserved...with high honor. Im just not capable of letting Arthur sink that low when he just deserved the best. Rockstar made an incredible protagonist once again. This game is and will forever be a masterpiece
1:10 he leans in 3:35 he moves away while saying the parallel dialogue about his path. Crazy good detail w body language.
Never would have noticed without the side by side, body language is so subtle it could have been him just adjusting to face Arthur but now we know...he's inspired by or scared around Arthur
I love how at the start of high honor, reverend looks down, ashamed of himself, ashamed of leaving everyone. However with low honor, reverend just stares at Arthur, scared of him, scared of what he might do to him.
Rdr2 teaches us for how you can to be good man
This whole game is “the fine art of conversation” every scene is so believably human it tugs at the heart strings.
HELLO Player7 SUPER RDR2 POOR Arthur R.I.P 😢 KEEP GOING CONTINUE YOU ARE THE BEST GOOD JOB EXCELLENT FANTASTIC ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Lmao
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I remember my first play through I had low honor because I didn’t care about it, but I always loved reverend, when he showed up I would always help him and try to not be a horrible person to him, and when I got this scene I was crying, but also happy that he got out before everything went to hell
The second cutscene is also triggered if you kill a lot of people even if you have high honor. I've played it twice to test this theory and in both of them i got the second cutscene
After this cutscene, The phrase "Hey Mister!" Was running through my head for weeks 😂😂😂
I have never been high honor exep while i was john
It's crazy the number of small details that are affected by Arthurs actions. He struck me as a good man that has done bad things because he's in a bad situation. Because it's all he's ever known. Vs someone like Micah who is just plain evil, or Dutch, who is delusional. I chose to play high honor on my first playthrough. It is a redemption story after all.
I played the game like an outlaw and I died like a dog. I didn’t think about the consequences. I never thought Arthur would die. I never played the first one either and i haven’t touched story mode since. What a great game
man that dialogue went straight over my head so i didnt change my ways and now ill regret that forever
cool also first
It’s the culmination of every great western story ever told. And my favorite video game of all time. It was in my top 5 and now it’s number one.
I saw this video pop up, didn't watch it, I opened the game and literally just got this cutscene, word for word, atleast my honor isn't in the red, but now I know I need to increase it
For those who don't know, there are 3 seperate cutscenes for this mission
1. Low honor: Having any low honor will have the cutscene with Reverend where Arthur declares that his path is coming to an end, that this is it, his end is here and he's accepted it. He's lived bad and he knows it, but can't help it. He can't be bothered with the consequences that will fall on others upon his death, he just knows that he won't have to keep fighting for anyone anymore. In contrast, 2. High Honor, no Sister Cauldron missions: This is the cutscene we see at the start, it showcases a more compassionate man, caring for all others who he knows are atleast decent in life, he's more open to admit that he's afraid, as he actually is in this case, he's scared he can't help everyone in time is due, he knows the gang is falling apart and is only focused on making sure that those who had no choice but to join or live their whole lives in the gang get to be free and safe, primarily Jack and Abigail, as he himself knows how it is to lose a family, given the loss of his son, Isaac and lover, Eliza, and lastly 3. High Honor, all Sister Cauldron missions: This is yet another great showcase of how arthur has changed for the better, helping not just the gang and people he know, but strangers too, if it just be a bit of change to a begger, to teaching people all they need to do to survive. He's not too inclined to share his fears at first, but as he learns how everyone is not perfect, nor fully good, he realizes that all he can do now is keep helping folk and giving them the troubleless life he never could have.
This game. Wow.
I think this is the point that arthurs redemption truly kicked off, where he finaly decided to do the right thing
Reverend: Just make sure you go let about 100 fish
cant understand people who dont like or dont take time to play this, this is literally a oscar winning movie in form of a game.
Reverend seems so much more sure of himself in low honor. As others pointed out, he’s short and sweet and to the point, he boards the train before the condoctur announces the final call and he doesn’t have a shaky voice like he did in high honor. I love the attention to detail in this game. Wish online got the vip treatment GTA online did but oh well
Wow, look at that detail. The light glowing through Arthur's ears when lit from behind. Who would have thought that such detail would be built into this game. Amazing. And this scene? It is part of the story that truly has Shakespearean dramatic quality.
I just finished the arthur storyline and.......
I'm sad to see him go.....
A warning I like(or a hint) is in strawberry, there’s this guy who says something like “Just do more good things than bad” trying to send a message
If RDR2 taught me anything, it's that any ANY bad thing done can be resolved by saying hello to a hundred or so people.
My first play through was with high honor. And after i completed the story i wanted it to play it again with low honor just to see how the story would change, and ultimately i eneded up completing the story with high honor again for the second time. After many years i came back to this game and again I'm playing it with high honor. There's something about this game that just doesn't let me bring myself to play it evil. I guess that makes Arthur actually a good man.
With the audio error at 3:39 i thought my earplugs were going to crap😭😭
The Reverend was the smartest one in the group. He knew things were going to go south FAST.
First time i played this game and saw the karma meter again i thought “well im an outlaw so im gonna do an evil playthrough first” then artur got sick and the gang turned on him so i really got driven to seek Fing “redemtion”. Literally everything about this game is so Fing perfect.