I tried to look for the first video but i cant find it , could i please have the link ? and most importantly Thank you to you both for an amazing video regarding TS
I will never understand why so many people assume that just because a person is speaking about their experience as a minority that they are speaking for the entire community. If a tall person says "I like baseball" you don't assume all tall people like baseball. But it so often happens with minorites. Even across very broad categories, like disabilities. Just because something helps or hurts me due to my disability doesn't mean it affects every disabled person the same way. In fact something that helps me might hinder someone else.
I will never understand either. Lol They get all triggered and the thing was she is just speaking her story. she didn't say that everyone with TS is like me. LOL Good lord. People are exhausting sometimes
I'm tall and I hate basketball...but I love volleyball 🏐 I gladly help shorter people get things off the top shelf at grocery stores...it's my super power 😁
My sister has severe PCOS and can't have kids. She also is losing her thick, beautiful curls in her 40s and having a lot of facial hair. Societies view on what it means to be a woman has severely harmed her mental health and self image. Thank you for bringing awareness to this topic.
Love this comment bc I love that you see your sister and how much societal ideals have harmed her, but also I love you’re username. Burninate the countryside Burninate the peasants (specifically the ones who make your sister doubt herself)
My girlfriend has PCOS and worries about these things happening when she gets older (we are in our early 30s) and regardless of how many times I tell her she's gorgeous, I think she's thinks "well he's gunna say that he wants me to feel better" or somthing like that. I don't worry about the looks side so much, her heart and mind is what I love and have fallen in love with, but I worry about the health issues she will have. But all we can do is be there, for your sister and my girlfriend, as best we can, and make sure they know that we are. Good luck and God bless you and your sis 🙂
@@goodanytimej8688 If she can't shake self-doubt and can't believe in compliments, that could be a sign she would benefit from seeing a professional about anxiety. Having supportive loved ones is so important, but it's good to have someone with training to help too.
@Connor Barkington I agree and appreciate the advice. She's gotten much better in the time we've been together, almost a year so not very long, but before that was in a very one sided and abusive relationship which did nothing to help thw situation. I've told her the same, I needed that kind of help at one time and due to upbringing, was very much against getting it until I grew up and realized there's nothing wrong with it. She's much the same with not wanting to admit when she needs help. But we are getting there, and I think it will take her far less time than it took me to see that accepting help like that isn't a negative
When Chris used the word „graceful“ to describe Celeste‘s attitude, I thought, yes! Graceful, and beautifully eloquent. I want to learn to be like them when it comes to discussing my point of view, my identity, and other people‘s reactions to what I say. Thank you, Celeste! And best wishes from Germany!
No shit Celeste doesn't represent the entire Turner Syndrome community? Isn't the entire point of this channel that you should get to know people through their condition, rather than for it?
I have a child with special needs and is socially awkward. I have to say 99 percent of people have been gracious, kind and accepting. My approach throughout my daughters social challenges was to have an open mind, open heart. Patience, politeness, and kindness are key.
People are twisted, your child is sheltered because he or she is surrounded by good people but that is just not how most people or the world is. Best of luck to her.
Does your child have autism? Because autistic people would and can be socially awkward at times and that even those with mild autism, including me that would have problems with social interactions.
When I saw this video post, I was like YAY-an update on Celeste. I instantly stopped what I was doing to watch it because Celeste's first video has always been one of my top 5 fave on this channel. I was sad however that they experienced negative feedback. Despite the challenges they have faced, Celeste exudes compassion, kindness, insightfulness, gentleness, intelligence and so articulate, nonjudgemental and 1,000 other positive adjectives. I cant imagine anyone being offended by anything in the first video.. Keep being you Celeste because you are so awesome and inspiring.
People are always offended by everything. Think about it, you got offended by someone else being offended in a different video (which I definitely don't perceive as wrong - I'm just using this as an example). I wish it was easier to accept people for who they are, no matter what they like, prefer, dress as, act like or want to be. It's our job to accept those that need it. Like one of my favorite songs, "Bully" by Three Days Grace. The lyrics in this song describe problems in people who aren't accepted perfectly, but it's sad
I can definitely understand why people were offended. Because they are people who have been set in their ways and don't adapt to change. Remember: even Jesus had enemies...and He still does. You'll probably see a few pop in here and spout off about how He doesn't exist or was just a man. It doesn't matter what someone does, how they think, or how hard they try to please everyone, there is always going to be someone who will "Bah humbug!" someone who is different. This is where we need to keep in mind that the issue has nothing to do with the person being bullied, and EVERYTHING to do with the bully. Bullies need therapy. They have issues. And they will ALWAYS exist.
It's really interesting how some people are so defensive about a representative with the same condition as their child being part of another minority. I think it's because they already had to deal with the backlash of how society treats their child just with the TS label alone and don't want to risk their child getting even more deviated from the norm just for society to bash them even harder. But if you're going to try to "clear your child's reputation", at least be kind about it. If you don't want your child getting any more ashamed for just being who they are, don't give other people that treatment yourself. These people clearly never had the intention to cause harm to or misrepresent anyone, so don't go pointing any fingers if they happen to mess up one time, according to your perspective. Don't stoop any lower than the people that don't give your child the respect they deserve. Everybody with good intentions deserves at least a simple bit of respect, even when they make mistakes or you don't meet eye to eye on certain subjects. 💖
They're transphobic, so they believe that being intersex is an insult. I feel sad for their children, since these type of "parent" rarely actually cares about their children's wellbeing. Instead, they care more about what other people think and they force their children to "be normal".
"Don't stoop any lower than the people that don't give your child the respect they deserve" 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 People who don't respect you won't magically start respecting you just because you catered to them.
I have Turners Sydrome and very much identify as a girl, this is definitely Celeste's personal journey, but it's always interesting to hear other's who have the conditions experiences!
I'll just add that it doesn't make them any less valid to the community at all and they're right, anyone can identify as non-binary and gender non conforming. Just because they have a genetic condition that only effects AFAB doesn't make their identity any less meaningful to them.
well said. Ditto for me. I have TS and very much identify as female as well. But this just shows how diverse our TS community is and how unique each one of us are with our experiences.
@@Helelsonofdawn that is a very vague comment. Who isn't accepting themselves in this situation? Also, why is your acceptance so important to absolute strangers? If I said I don't accept you for who you are at this point in your life ( which is just an example, you are perfect in any point in your life) would it ruin your entire day? Would you try to change yourself to make me accept you? Or would you just say that it doesn't matter if I do or don't accept you because your life and personal choices are none of my business?
it's interesting that these parents had the response "my daughter is a girl, how dare you" and not "oh hey a video on turner syndrome, my daughter has that too." makes you wonder what they're so scared of 🤔
I am intersex too,Born with CaH and have always felt more genderdluid since as long as I can remember (I'm 38 now). Thanks for bringing awareness to people like me,we are often not represented so it feels nice to see us being represented positively 😀
@@k1_w3 genderfluid is someone who feels their gender can fluctuate fluidly all along the gender spectrum and even outside of it. Use this beautiful internet, there are many educational resources you can easily find for free.
I really appreciate Celeste's patience and understanding here and appreciate Chris giving them the platform to have this discussion. As a disabled transwoman this was really great to see especially during pride month.
I’m an autistic trans guy so I also know what it’s like to have a disability and feel a different gender than what you were assigned. Happy pride month btw🌈
@@Sonicfan-cc1te I'm a pansexual trans ftm with severe gender dysphoria (so much so that it's held me back in school, lost friends, turned me into an extremely socially anxious guy and develop depression), Type 1 Diabetes, P-ANCA a rare kidney disease unrelated to the previous, got chemotherapy at 8 years old due to that and have obsessive compulsive tendencies thanks to genetics. My bro's a high functioning autistic, one of my 14 cousins is too, so I get what you're going through, my friend. Life is hard. Just keep trucking along ;)
Thank you so much for sharing your personal experiences with us, Celeste!! I really love how you talked about the complexity of intersectionality. you express yourself so intelligently and eloquently; I could picture you doing a podcast or something! Your kindness is so genuine, it felt like a conversation with a good friend 😊 And thank you Chris for your awesome content as always! ❤️
Celeste expressed themselves clearly in the first video. I appreciate the opportunity to learn more about Turner Syndrome and respect Celeste for staying true to who they are.
@John Null Singular they/them pronouns have been in english for centuries so they're perfectly acceptable to use in cases where you are unsure of gender or are referring to a non-binary person, such as Celeste
@@myamdane6895 A quote from Merriam-Webster "In an 1881 letter, Emily Dickinson wrote 'Almost anyone under the circumstances would have doubted if [the letter] were theirs, or indeed if they were themself' People have used singular they to describe someone whose gender is unknown for a long time" And the first recorded use of singular they in English literature is from 1375 in the text "William and the Werewolf" Hope this helped 😁
Coming from a fellow intersex non-binary person I loved this!!! I loved that our voices are being heard more and more and that more people are curious and positive! Celeste you are absolutely amazing:)
@@HannahRose19960 intersex is when someone doesn’t usually fit the box of male or female at birth. let’s say someone comes out of birth and they have both parts . some doctors will go and have surgery on the baby to fix the parts to make the look like what ever chromosomes they were supposed to be assigned or what ever their parts looked closest to. some times, people don’t figure out until later that they are intersex. some times, these people identify as transgender and since the doctor/parents make them have surgery to change at a baby, they make the choice to change as an adult
I absolutely love what Celeste said about fertility!! I am a 20-year-old cis-gendered woman who had a tubal ligation, literally four days ago, because my numerous health issues would make having biological children very dangerous for myself and potentially the child. I made the choice that was best for my health/safety and I know my femininity and ability to be a wonderful mother have nothing to do with my ability to have biological children. Having this surgery was a difficult decision and at one point I did question my role as a woman because of it, but at the end of the day I am proud of myself and Celeste's words helped me remember that!!
Celeste, you are amazing and SO brave for returning for a second time to expand on your experience. You should not have to justify your existence or identity, you are entirely valid and seen and from looking at a lot of the comments here, it's clear that you are an inspiration for other non-binary intersex people 🥰❤️
Celeste comes across as very eloquent, wise and worldly. I can only dream that their calm and intelligent discourse here is an example of the direction the world is going, in the hands of Celeste's generation. Celeste, thanks for sharing your experiences and thoughts. You've taught me something new and I value that so much. Much love, peace out 🥰👍
Chris has been such a great advocate for those with neuro diversity and different levels of ability. It's nice to see this platform used to help educate about intersex and trans people too. And obviously Celeste is a great spokesperson for our communities too. Thank you both for your very necessary work!
YES it was so awesome hearing Celeste talk about how much value and worth society places on giving birth/bearing children!!!!! it's so completely interwoven into our society and just hearing it be acknowledged and addressed was amazing, ty so much Celeste for touching on this topic and continuing to share your story!!! 💕
Agreed! They both were judged and for NO reason. Time and time again Chris AND guests state that they're by no means speaking for an entire community, but rather simply telling their story. If people could stop projecting their own insecurities that would be swell!
@@Helelsonofdawn lol what? Then maybe don't make your kids shower in public. Also women can be pedos too. You're extremely sexist against men. If you mean trans people then that's a whole other thing. Trans women look like women so what's it matter? Would you want a big burly, Harry, muscular trans man with a beard in the women's showers next to your daughter or an extremely feminine trans woman?
You're dead right about having kids. I can't have kids due to severe Crohn's Disease.. it's hard because society doesn't understand how hard it is for people who cannot have kids . Love from Dublin-ireland ❤️
@@acrxsls1766 I would think if it were as simple as that they would have done that. Please be sensitive to others situations. That can be taken as an awfully invalidating comment.
My acquaintances who have Crohn's have gone into remission during their pregnancies. If you have been advised by your doctor not to get pregnant, please research.
@@acrxsls1766 wow.. trust me if it was that easy, then I'd be cured! Whined your neck and mind your business.. Crohn's is an autoimmune Disease not just dietary. Do you research before you comment!
It’s odd how defensive people can get over one’s own experience. Almost as if ALL people with turners syndrome should feel how they do. No one else was attacked for how they exist as a person with the same difference in genetics
seeing the stories of disabled nonbinary people on this platform is so meaningful to me - i'm disabled (albeit not in the same way) and nonbinary too, and i think celeste is so thoughtful in the way they express themself, and this channel is doing wonderful work in giving them a platform to help challenge the strict gender binary and explore their personal relationship with their gender and body ♥️
Also this interview makes me appreciate you even more than I already did, Chris. (: I think with the topic of gender identity, especially being trans or non-binary, there are a lot of people who react very strongly and negatively and at the moment there is a huge backlash in society in general. So I really appreciate your openness, your calm way of listening and asking great questions. And also how you are always open to challenging your own preconceptions. I also really liked how you brought up the topic of intersectionality. It's great that you have conversations like this one, because you have such a big, open community that is always willing to learn about other peoples lifes. (:
Why would people have a negative reaction to them clearly talking about THEMSELVES? They're not saying the whole community is like this. I don't understand people honestly, but they responded very well to it.
Celeste and Chris, thank you! I identify as gay and have Spina Bifida, and also.happen to be in recovery. It is so important to be confident in who you are!
It’s so sad what the parents of TS kids were commenting. Most egregious of all, they clearly ignore the points of the original video. Celeste clearly isn’t speak for the entire TS community, they are just sharing their story (Very well an eloquently the first and second time around I might add). In fact, shading stories like theirs is wonderful because highlighting intersectionality is important for all communities. Thank you Celeste for both your first and second video. You are such a sweet, thoughtful and wise person. ❤️
People hear something they disagree with, and forget anything that was said before or after. 😕 Celeste, you seem like a awesome person and I’m glad you and Chris made this second video, it’s very interesting!
Hey, Celeste! You’re back!! Nice to see you again, and great to hear how you’ve been progressing since your last interview. Kudos for speaking up confidently for yourself, and for supporting others that haven’t found their voice yet. The world needs advocates like you, and I hope any negativity you’ve experienced since speaking out will not deter you - your resilience, your courage and as Chris said, your grace, are just a few qualities we all could benefit from being closer to and learning from. Keep doin what you’re doin, and hopefully we will see more updates in future!! 👏🏼💖🌈😊
Everything about gender has so much potential to be nuanced. Like Celeste said themselves, having an intersex condition and identifying as non-binary has no inherent link but it can still change the experience of either. Forrest Valkai has an interesting video titled "Sex and Sensibility" that explains a ton about gender and sex from a biological perspective better than I ever could in a single comment. A lot of people seem to have this fear of others not falling into designated boxes and staying in them, in this case man or woman, despite there being so much that could be beyond. The variety should be explored and celebrated rather than shunned. Chris, I really appreciate your genuine interest in this sort of topic and having Celeste back here again as someone to help you explore it - you both did fantastic. :)
I always heard when a child is born intersexed, the parents make a choice to which genitalia they want to keep and which one they want removed. And then I heard from adults who let's say we're born intersexed and their parents chose for them to be a boy and they grew up and did not feel like a boy at all or the other way around. I'm just wondering if a child today is born intersexed do they just keep both genitalia? Curious how things have changed over time. Great interview very articulate and wonderful.
Genital surgery on intersex babies is cruel and unnecessary. Intersex people should be able to live as they are and make their own decisions, being intersex is not a mistake
Physical intersex traits are much more complicated than you seem to realize. That said, decent, educated parents now allow their child to grow up in an affirming environment so when the time comes for them to decide they will do so for themselves. Unfortunately, not all parents and medical providers are informed and caring.
Sadly the medical practitioners in the room can make the decision too, it still happens. Celeste mentioned ambiguous g3n!talia... that is the rule of thumb that drs still use. If they can't tell the s3x of the newborn baby by looking at them, they do surgery to fit into and check a Male or Female box. There has been more pushback recently regarding these protocols but its still practiced.
@@throughthedin thank you so much for your thoughtful reply. Yeah I wish they would have talked more about that aspect of being intersex. You know like you're explaining to me what happens at birth and I have seen all kinds of documentaries about this and it seems really confusing and barbaric in some ways. Why can't the child just have both genitalia. Also there's a book out I don't know if you've heard about it it's called a boy named it or it might be a boy called it because they did do a surgery on him and he wasn't the gender of the genitalia. I guess it can be rather confusing but I don't really know what the answer is. It really upsets me though that a doctor or surgeon can make this decision without the consent of the parents. That doesn't seem to be in any way ethical. Have a great day.
How come all these folks have such excellent speaking skills...so perfect. No shyness of camera accurate pronunciation and it feels as if they should go on speaking. I loved them 🌹🌹
Celeste, thank you so much for sharing your experiences with the SPSK community TWICE! You’re an incredible person and I especially appreciated your insights on intersectionality of identities. Our human spirits and beings are so complex, and I think many people forget that someone may have many identities and not just one.
What gracious, well spoken, and emotionally intelligent people Celeste and Chris both are. I am twice Celeste's age but wish I had more friends like that. I think they are great in every way.
I thought this interview was really well done! It was nice to hear Chris talk to the person who is interviewing normally. We all have our upbeat professional working voice and it was just nice to hear his normal one in this video!👍❤️
I appreciate you talking so clearly and succinctly about these topics. They are a hot button issue now and you did a great job at speaking for yourself and your own convictions without speaking for others. I also see the value of intersectionality, in how it applies to you, that brings the concept of not being shoe horned into a predefined larger societal category and finding that gender euphoria. That is a concept I haven't been exposed to before in that way.
Just want to thank you both for such an informative, thought provoking interview/conversation. Love the flow you guys have. Looking forward to the next one!
So proud of SBbSK for inviting Celeste back to talk about their experience with both Turner Syndrome and their experience being nonbinary, even if it's something some viewers aren't comfortable with. We don't often see integrity like that on youtube. Celeste's perspective is so important, and I love that Chris lets his friends speak for themselves in these videos. Keep up the amazing work! You rock, Celeste!
It's good to see you gain, Celeste. Everybody is unique & it's inevitible that some people with ts, just like some people without ts, will be non-binary. A person's identity is not fully defined by their diagnosis. I didn't have any issues with your first interview. I enjoyed "meeting" you & getting to know you as a person, not just your ts diagnosis. Thank you so much for sharing more of your story. People can learn a lot from you.
Great video, thank you! Celeste, it was a pleasure to hear you speak! People often commit to misunderstanding others if it doesn’t apply to their story line. Lots of love to you!!
It really takes away from the acceptance thing when it only applies to some who are discriminated and not to others. Thanks Chris for highlighting this discrepancy.
Love to see returning friends! I knew Celeste wasn't speaking for everyone with TS or every intersex person or every nonbinary person, but perhaps some folks needed to hear that reiterated. Anyway, happy Pride y'all! LGBTQIA+++ is a wide and gorgeous spectrum.
Celeste is great! They are so calm and good with expressing their thoughts - I'm not sure I would have as much patience for people pushing back against me sharing my experiences. So "graceful" is definitely a good word to describe Celeste!! I'm a perisex (not intersex) non binary person and I'm glad that the topic of queer community having problems with accommodating disabled people or people in recovery was mentioned - intersectionality is really important and we should all remember that being discriminated against or being a victim of prejudice doesn't mean we can't discriminate, be prejudiced and inconsiderate towards other people from marginalized groups. Chris, I'm thankful that you are also trying to be intersectional in your thinking and that you give people a platform to represent their reality. I think that this video is really important in so many ways!
@@gothgrrl8711 They're a troll. They're doing this on all the comments and saying the typical "I thought you were supposed to be a tolerant community" bs to people who are trying to educate them because they're "being rude" IMO this person probably doesn't even watch these videos. Any videos on TH-cam that have anything to do with the LGBT community always attract a bunch of outside trolls.
@@k1_w3 Not unnecessary if it helps people have discussions and differentiate conditions. Just like disabled and abled-body, even if disabled people are a minority, abled-bodied is still helpful language. Interesex people deserve to have their own words to talk about their experiences. Also, you make a dangerous implication by saying intersex people aren't part of the norm, as if to say they're unatural in a negative sense. Might be just me but be careful about that.
I have Turner Syndrome like Celeste, and they're not wrong - there was massive backlash in the community. My biggest guess why? The fact that TS comes with a really *BIG* potential for infertility. In our overall society, fertility is the cornerstone of feminity/womanhood in general. So for a cohort that already struggle to feel "woman" enough in this world, for us to have this kind of representation can be a really hard thing for them to manage internally. Note: I don't agree with this viewpoint, But this took YEARS of introspection to say that. TS is absolutely intersex.
Celeste, as a TS women around you same age I’d love to meet you! I personally identify as a female with an intersex condition and use she/her pronouns. I like to say I’m running on default settings! I understand the grief of infertility for sure as well. I also saw the pushback within TS support groups when your video gets brought up. It’s a very sensitive topic for most in the community. Let me know if you would like to connect!
It sucks how hard it is to use they/them with Italian grammar. There are many ways we've been trying but the grammar it's very hard and it sounds so forced. They/them works better, I've seen a few Italian people asking to use that but saying a full sentence in Italian and having to change to English mid feels kinda weird. Sorry for the grammar rant, just saying English it's great for LGBTQ+ people 🌈 I appreciate them so much!
Turkish doesn't have gendered pronouns and gendered objects also we don't have any gender grammar wise. Some languages that are connected to Turkish (such as Korean,Japanese,Mongolian,Finnish and Hungarian) have this same thing as well.So when we talk we dont use words like boy/girlfriend(common word for these is lover and most people use this) or she/he so you can't really figure out somebody's gender without you asking or figuring out later in convo.
Thank you Celeste for being so open about your gender identity. As a women with ts some trouble watching the first video, mostly due to personally never feeling like a boy in any way. But not fully feeling female, just not being complete. I understand that not everyone feels the same. And you don’t deserve negativity in any way. I am glad you had the chance to explain more how you felt. It is a shame gender is such a difficult topic within our community. Love and thank your for sharing your story
That’s called being human and it’s how most women feel. Just cause sexist society says women have to act a certain way to be women doesn’t mean it’s true.
Thank you so much for sharing your story, Celeste! So many interesting layers to dissect when it comes to your story. You are so brave to be open to sharing it all! We have a lot to learn from you and stories like yours! Nonbinary love 💜💛🤍🖤
Celeste and Chris, thank you for sharing such a heartfelt and sensitive topic. I hope Celeste knows that fostering or adopting is an option for them. You seem to be an amazing, thoughtful, compassionate and loving person. I would think that a child would be proud to call you their own. I commend you for your willingness to keep moving forward. I hope that your sobriety continues to be a healthy part of your journey. I don’t know what kind of work you do, but I do know that I would be proud to call you friend and colleague. Your star is as bright as your smile and laugh! Sending love from CALIF!
I am intersex and AFAB too, although not with Turner syndrome but hyperandrogenism. I identify non-binary as well, agender to be precise. And yes, I found out that the intersex community, especially those people who actually don't belong to the community but are parents or friends of intersex people, are extremely transphobic. If you're intersex and haven't a hard time with those nasty people, try to educate them if you have the energy and they are ready to listen but otherwise, don't waste your time on them and just ignore those nasty people.
@@k1_w3 AFAB is assigned female at birth, agender is someone who doesn't feel like any gender fits them so they exist outside of the gender spectrum. You could just plug these questions into your chosen search engine, you'll learn a lot on this big ol internet!
@@k1_w3 AFAB is an acronym for the phrase "Assigned female at birth" which includes cis woman and me for example even though I'm non-binary. Meanwhile agender is a term for people who don't identify with any particular gender. Agender is one of the specific identities within the non-binary spectrum/umbrella term. Basically an Agender person is someone who doesn't use a strict set of pronouns like he/him, she/her, or they/them, depending on who you meet some will be fine if you refer to them by any pronouns or specific ones. Its different for person to person.
It’s sad. The people/community that should be the most understanding seems even less inclusive than the general cisgender population with no connections to anyone in the intersex community.
@@k1_w3 i don't mean this in a mean way but if you're that confused i would advise you to just google it. because it gets a little bit tiring having to explain your identity all the time. but also, by googling it you can find different resources that explain those terms in different ways, if for some reason a certain explanation isn't well written or whatever. that way you can find more info about the topic in general! i understand that if it's the first time you hear these terms you might be confused so that's why i advise you to google it, some identities can sound very similar and that makes it a little confusing, but each of them have their own flags so that also helps you to differentiate them in a visual way. i hope this helps lol!
Being proud of who you are. That's really helped me thank you so much 💚. I'm facing different hardships at that moment and I'd lost my own view of me. But these words hit me. Thank you xx
Hi Celeste, I think it is so beautiful how you respond to the push back from others. You were able to take something negative and turn it into a learning opportunity for others. You are such a ray of sunshine and I’m so glad I stumbled upon this video - you are so incredibly emotionally intelligent and I think how you spoke in this interview was inspiring
I don't have turner syndrome, but I _do_ identify as non-binary as well as using they/them pronouns. It astounds me how much backlash I get over something so little as a pronoun preference or how I 'should just pick one.' I hear a lot of people say that "they/them" isn't a valid pronoun 'set' and it is used to describe 'plural' amounts of people. Which is true, but its also the most comfortable pronoun for me, as well as other people who identify as nonbinary. Its upsetting.
The whole pronoun thing is fairly new and has been very trendy. When the list of genders are literally endless and becoming impossible to keep track of, I don't know how long it will keep going at this speed. I understand that people want to be different and unique, this is something that young people are latching onto. Time will tell where it goes and how society will accept or reject the practice of self-selected pronoun use.
Actually, the usage of singular "they" can be traced back to the 1300s, which makes it both older than the singular form of "you" and an entirely valid pronoun set to use. And ignore the guy above me, being nonbinary is definitely not a trend lol. People have displayed gender non-conformity for as long as we have existed, the only "trend" regarding this identity in our current day is spreading awareness so that nonbinary people are able to live comfortably and freely. I'm wishing you the best, wherever and whoever you are :D
Hey Celeste, I can't believe you had negative comments on your first video! I thought you spoke so clearly that it was YOUR experience with TS and this was how YOU identify. Some people have such knee jerk reactions to others who are outside their worldview, they act like it's a personal attack on them, but in reality they are uncomfortable because they are so closed minded. I think you are totally awesome and I'm happy you are living true to how you feel. Also congrats on your sobriety, such and achievement, proud of you!
It's such a shame that despite SBSK clearly trying to maintain a respectful, understanding, non-judgemental community, transphobic people think that they have the right to comment so unkindly.
I feel so bad that people made you feel bad for expressing who you are! I will never understand why anyone feels like they have the right to tell another person how they should feel, or think, or be. You are a beautiful person inside and out. Congratulations on the success you've had in your recovery journey!! That's amazing! I'm so happy for you, Celeste.
Great video! I think people were more confused about the fact that her gender identity was included in the same video speaking about Turner's syndrome. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it...but obviously other people did. Possibly, it might have given the impression that girls with Turner syndrome are non binary. Probaly should have done a separate follow-up video where we can learn more about Celeste and that she also identifies as non-binary. Great interview Celeste!
Life is complicated. Then add to that a disability of any kind and it becomes extra tricky to navigate. I've always been different and have become socially isolated over the years due to feeling extremely self conscious of my differences. What doesn't help is when other people invalidate my experience with their lack of understanding. Celeste, you spoke beautifully not just for those who identify as non-binary and intersectional but for all of us who are different. I have ADHD, Dysthymia and CPTSD. It's taken me a lifetime of living and research to understand myself more and I'm still learning how to function within my limits. Thanks Chris for the work you do and the way you give people a chance to speak and be heard. It's a most valuable gift we are given here on your channel. xo
I so appreciate the courage it takes to share your story in a world that limits us with labels. You have such a beautiful, kind and generous soul. It’s incredible. Thank you for being unique and helping the world learn to embrace our uniqueness. We are all connected despite our differences.🙏🏻💕🌻
Celeste - You are a beautiful person, compassionate, insightful, nonjudgmental, and clearly very intelligent. Whatever you want to do with your life, you will be successful.
Just wow. What a bright and intelligent human being. Thank you for your clear expression of the way you identify .You would make an incredible teacher. All the best.
Celeste is someone I have so much respect for. They have so much compassion and understanding for the people who had a negative reaction. I also loved the conversation regarding intersectionality! This video will be so useful and beneficial for people to see.
Celeste, never feel bad, guilty or embarrassed for openly expressing who you are; most people aren't half as self aware as you are, you explain your own experience, TS or no TS. Let all the negativity wash right over you, keep your positivity untarnished by any 'sticks & stones' thrown your way(cos the saying is wrong, it should be "name calling hurts like sticks & stones" ) & just keep on smiling, being you & spreading the openness & understanding you show in this video, even to those "haters" out there; you are an amazing person ❤️
I think you hit the mail on the head when you characterized Celeste as “gracious “. They have a lot of wisdom, thoughtfulness, and empathy which is the epitome of Grace.
Excellent video! Congrats to Celeste for your recovery, including that process of recovery from open heart surgery. I've had a mechanical mitral valve for 24 years. Trying to keep within the therapeutic zone is still a challenge sometimes. It's great to get to learn about you & your journey!
Thank you Celeste for your willingness to have such an important conversation!
Thank you so much for sharing this video sbsk
Yes thank you i was born with a mixture of female rep organs and male Gen it's kinda hard to see yourself as one or the other. You go
@@aprylrittenhouse4562 im really expressed with that that is very unique apryl
Celeste is amazing!
I tried to look for the first video but i cant find it , could i please have the link ? and most importantly Thank you to you both for an amazing video regarding TS
I will never understand why so many people assume that just because a person is speaking about their experience as a minority that they are speaking for the entire community. If a tall person says "I like baseball" you don't assume all tall people like baseball. But it so often happens with minorites. Even across very broad categories, like disabilities. Just because something helps or hurts me due to my disability doesn't mean it affects every disabled person the same way. In fact something that helps me might hinder someone else.
I will never understand either. Lol They get all triggered and the thing was she is just speaking her story. she didn't say that everyone with TS is like me. LOL Good lord. People are exhausting sometimes
@@larissahostetter2335 *they, not she
@@larissahostetter2335 they*
You are awesome
I'm tall and I hate basketball...but I love volleyball 🏐
I gladly help shorter people get things off the top shelf at grocery stores...it's my super power 😁
I love when SBSK revisits previous guests on the channel, such an awesome community!
I agree. It really shows the changes that are experienced with those people.
My sister has severe PCOS and can't have kids. She also is losing her thick, beautiful curls in her 40s and having a lot of facial hair. Societies view on what it means to be a woman has severely harmed her mental health and self image. Thank you for bringing awareness to this topic.
Love this comment bc I love that you see your sister and how much societal ideals have harmed her, but also I love you’re username.
Burninate the countryside
Burninate the peasants (specifically the ones who make your sister doubt herself)
@@Cbbartelt 😁
My girlfriend has PCOS and worries about these things happening when she gets older (we are in our early 30s) and regardless of how many times I tell her she's gorgeous, I think she's thinks "well he's gunna say that he wants me to feel better" or somthing like that. I don't worry about the looks side so much, her heart and mind is what I love and have fallen in love with, but I worry about the health issues she will have. But all we can do is be there, for your sister and my girlfriend, as best we can, and make sure they know that we are. Good luck and God bless you and your sis 🙂
@@goodanytimej8688 If she can't shake self-doubt and can't believe in compliments, that could be a sign she would benefit from seeing a professional about anxiety. Having supportive loved ones is so important, but it's good to have someone with training to help too.
@Connor Barkington I agree and appreciate the advice. She's gotten much better in the time we've been together, almost a year so not very long, but before that was in a very one sided and abusive relationship which did nothing to help thw situation. I've told her the same, I needed that kind of help at one time and due to upbringing, was very much against getting it until I grew up and realized there's nothing wrong with it. She's much the same with not wanting to admit when she needs help. But we are getting there, and I think it will take her far less time than it took me to see that accepting help like that isn't a negative
When Chris used the word „graceful“ to describe Celeste‘s attitude, I thought, yes! Graceful, and beautifully eloquent. I want to learn to be like them when it comes to discussing my point of view, my identity, and other people‘s reactions to what I say. Thank you, Celeste! And best wishes from Germany!
Wow! both of you handled "push back" comments like mature confident people! I learned a lot...
Thank you!
No shit Celeste doesn't represent the entire Turner Syndrome community? Isn't the entire point of this channel that you should get to know people through their condition, rather than for it?
i think it's because people were accusing Celeste of trying to represent the entire community.
@@intheskatepark But Celeste never did that.
@@intheskatepark I know, im saying the people making these accusations should have known better.
I have a child with special needs and is socially awkward. I have to say 99 percent of people have been gracious, kind and accepting. My approach throughout my daughters social challenges was to have an open mind, open heart. Patience, politeness, and kindness are key.
I have social anxiety disorder, your daughter is probably exhausted I hope she's OK
People are twisted, your child is sheltered because he or she is surrounded by good people but that is just not how most people or the world is. Best of luck to her.
@@sugarbear0502 Bless your heart..
@@unitedstatesofamerica9948 she’s not sheltered by any means. But good luck to you, your negativity will only attract negative people.
Does your child have autism? Because autistic people would and can be socially awkward at times and that even those with mild autism, including me that would have problems with social interactions.
When I saw this video post, I was like YAY-an update on Celeste. I instantly stopped what I was doing to watch it because Celeste's first video has always been one of my top 5 fave on this channel. I was sad however that they experienced negative feedback. Despite the challenges they have faced, Celeste exudes compassion, kindness, insightfulness, gentleness, intelligence and so articulate, nonjudgemental and 1,000 other positive adjectives. I cant imagine anyone being offended by anything in the first video.. Keep being you Celeste because you are so awesome and inspiring.
People are always offended by everything. Think about it, you got offended by someone else being offended in a different video (which I definitely don't perceive as wrong - I'm just using this as an example). I wish it was easier to accept people for who they are, no matter what they like, prefer, dress as, act like or want to be. It's our job to accept those that need it. Like one of my favorite songs, "Bully" by Three Days Grace. The lyrics in this song describe problems in people who aren't accepted perfectly, but it's sad
I can definitely understand why people were offended. Because they are people who have been set in their ways and don't adapt to change. Remember: even Jesus had enemies...and He still does. You'll probably see a few pop in here and spout off about how He doesn't exist or was just a man. It doesn't matter what someone does, how they think, or how hard they try to please everyone, there is always going to be someone who will "Bah humbug!" someone who is different. This is where we need to keep in mind that the issue has nothing to do with the person being bullied, and EVERYTHING to do with the bully. Bullies need therapy. They have issues. And they will ALWAYS exist.
It's really interesting how some people are so defensive about a representative with the same condition as their child being part of another minority. I think it's because they already had to deal with the backlash of how society treats their child just with the TS label alone and don't want to risk their child getting even more deviated from the norm just for society to bash them even harder.
But if you're going to try to "clear your child's reputation", at least be kind about it. If you don't want your child getting any more ashamed for just being who they are, don't give other people that treatment yourself. These people clearly never had the intention to cause harm to or misrepresent anyone, so don't go pointing any fingers if they happen to mess up one time, according to your perspective. Don't stoop any lower than the people that don't give your child the respect they deserve.
Everybody with good intentions deserves at least a simple bit of respect, even when they make mistakes or you don't meet eye to eye on certain subjects. 💖
Beautifully said.
Seems like a bunch of homophobia, but that's a nice way to think of it.
They're transphobic, so they believe that being intersex is an insult.
I feel sad for their children, since these type of "parent" rarely actually cares about their children's wellbeing. Instead, they care more about what other people think and they force their children to "be normal".
"Don't stoop any lower than the people that don't give your child the respect they deserve"
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 People who don't respect you won't magically start respecting you just because you catered to them.
Maybe because women feel like they are under attack. Maybe ask a woman?
I have Turners Sydrome and very much identify as a girl, this is definitely Celeste's personal journey, but it's always interesting to hear other's who have the conditions experiences!
I'll just add that it doesn't make them any less valid to the community at all and they're right, anyone can identify as non-binary and gender non conforming. Just because they have a genetic condition that only effects AFAB doesn't make their identity any less meaningful to them.
well said. Ditto for me. I have TS and very much identify as female as well. But this just shows how diverse our TS community is and how unique each one of us are with our experiences.
@@laurastainforth4612 i wont accept anyone who cant accept themselves
I also have turners
@@Helelsonofdawn that is a very vague comment. Who isn't accepting themselves in this situation? Also, why is your acceptance so important to absolute strangers? If I said I don't accept you for who you are at this point in your life ( which is just an example, you are perfect in any point in your life) would it ruin your entire day? Would you try to change yourself to make me accept you? Or would you just say that it doesn't matter if I do or don't accept you because your life and personal choices are none of my business?
it's interesting that these parents had the response "my daughter is a girl, how dare you" and not "oh hey a video on turner syndrome, my daughter has that too." makes you wonder what they're so scared of 🤔
Yup. While I want to give some parents the benefit of doubt, they're coming off like "my kid can't see that, it'll turn them gay!"
👀 don't say {gay} and it might go away!
@@throughthedin "stop grooming children to be interested in destructive lifestyles" more like it
Society are getting crazy about non-binary people. So parents wants their children to be ordinary.
You are incredible Celeste. You dont let anyone bring you down.
I am intersex too,Born with CaH and have always felt more genderdluid since as long as I can remember (I'm 38 now). Thanks for bringing awareness to people like me,we are often not represented so it feels nice to see us being represented positively 😀
Happy rainbow-month! 🌈
@@siiiriously3226 Thank you! You too! That was a nice comment 💛💜
@@k1_w3 genderfluid is someone who feels their gender can fluctuate fluidly all along the gender spectrum and even outside of it. Use this beautiful internet, there are many educational resources you can easily find for free.
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@@MISNM0 💜💙💚💛🧡❤
I really appreciate Celeste's patience and understanding here and appreciate Chris giving them the platform to have this discussion. As a disabled transwoman this was really great to see especially during pride month.
Happy rainbow-month! 🌈
I’m an autistic trans guy so I also know what it’s like to have a disability and feel a different gender than what you were assigned. Happy pride month btw🌈
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ADHD bi & trans/nb here, happy pride 🏳️🌈
@@Sonicfan-cc1te I'm a pansexual trans ftm with severe gender dysphoria (so much so that it's held me back in school, lost friends, turned me into an extremely socially anxious guy and develop depression), Type 1 Diabetes, P-ANCA a rare kidney disease unrelated to the previous, got chemotherapy at 8 years old due to that and have obsessive compulsive tendencies thanks to genetics. My bro's a high functioning autistic, one of my 14 cousins is too, so I get what you're going through, my friend. Life is hard. Just keep trucking along ;)
Thank you so much for sharing your personal experiences with us, Celeste!! I really love how you talked about the complexity of intersectionality. you express yourself so intelligently and eloquently; I could picture you doing a podcast or something! Your kindness is so genuine, it felt like a conversation with a good friend 😊 And thank you Chris for your awesome content as always! ❤️
Celeste expressed themselves clearly in the first video. I appreciate the opportunity to learn more about Turner Syndrome and respect Celeste for staying true to who they are.
@John Null Celeste goes by they/them
@John Null Singular they/them pronouns have been in english for centuries so they're perfectly acceptable to use in cases where you are unsure of gender or are referring to a non-binary person, such as Celeste
@@erinpennington19 been in English for centuries? Where?
@@myamdane6895 A quote from Merriam-Webster "In an 1881 letter, Emily Dickinson wrote 'Almost anyone under the circumstances would have doubted if [the letter] were theirs, or indeed if they were themself' People have used singular they to describe someone whose gender is unknown for a long time"
And the first recorded use of singular they in English literature is from 1375 in the text "William and the Werewolf" Hope this helped 😁
@John Null these people are far gone
Coming from a fellow intersex non-binary person I loved this!!! I loved that our voices are being heard more and more and that more people are curious and positive! Celeste you are absolutely amazing:)
I have a learning disability can you help me understand what intersex and what non binary means
@@HannahRose19960 intersex is when someone doesn’t usually fit the box of male or female at birth. let’s say someone comes out of birth and they have both parts . some doctors will go and have surgery on the baby to fix the parts to make the look like what ever chromosomes they were supposed to be assigned or what ever their parts looked closest to. some times, people don’t figure out until later that they are intersex. some times, these people identify as transgender and since the doctor/parents make them have surgery to change at a baby, they make the choice to change as an adult
@@HannahRose19960 and non-binary means when someone doesn’t feel 100% boy or 100% girl. their gender identity is non binary
Oh ok thank you 😊
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I absolutely love what Celeste said about fertility!! I am a 20-year-old cis-gendered woman who had a tubal ligation, literally four days ago, because my numerous health issues would make having biological children very dangerous for myself and potentially the child. I made the choice that was best for my health/safety and I know my femininity and ability to be a wonderful mother have nothing to do with my ability to have biological children. Having this surgery was a difficult decision and at one point I did question my role as a woman because of it, but at the end of the day I am proud of myself and Celeste's words helped me remember that!!
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Cis gendered woman? No, you are quite simply just a genuine woman. No reason to have a prefix. Those who aren't real women use a prefix.
Celeste seems so calm and well spoken, I want to be more like them in that way.
No way!! I’m also non-binary and have Turner syndrome!!! I thought I was alone out there!
Celeste, you are amazing and SO brave for returning for a second time to expand on your experience. You should not have to justify your existence or identity, you are entirely valid and seen and from looking at a lot of the comments here, it's clear that you are an inspiration for other non-binary intersex people 🥰❤️
Celeste comes across as very eloquent, wise and worldly. I can only dream that their calm and intelligent discourse here is an example of the direction the world is going, in the hands of Celeste's generation.
Celeste, thanks for sharing your experiences and thoughts. You've taught me something new and I value that so much.
Much love, peace out 🥰👍
Chris has been such a great advocate for those with neuro diversity and different levels of ability. It's nice to see this platform used to help educate about intersex and trans people too. And obviously Celeste is a great spokesperson for our communities too. Thank you both for your very necessary work!
YES it was so awesome hearing Celeste talk about how much value and worth society places on giving birth/bearing children!!!!! it's so completely interwoven into our society and just hearing it be acknowledged and addressed was amazing, ty so much Celeste for touching on this topic and continuing to share your story!!! 💕
Celeste seems like such a kind person. They seem to be such a positive person despite the struggle they live with!
So good to see Celeste again! They are so incredibly eloquent, kind and patient. Also congrats on recovery!!!
You can tell Chris was pretty upset by those comments. Completely understandable, it wasn't fair.
Agreed! They both were judged and for NO reason. Time and time again Chris AND guests state that they're by no means speaking for an entire community, but rather simply telling their story. If people could stop projecting their own insecurities that would be swell!
@@heatherelizabeth9008 not wanting grown men to shower with my daughters at the gym is being insecure?
@@Helelsonofdawn you know damn well that’s not correlated to anything going on in this video or this comment section.
@@zircobyte women are women!
@@Helelsonofdawn lol what? Then maybe don't make your kids shower in public. Also women can be pedos too. You're extremely sexist against men. If you mean trans people then that's a whole other thing. Trans women look like women so what's it matter? Would you want a big burly, Harry, muscular trans man with a beard in the women's showers next to your daughter or an extremely feminine trans woman?
You're dead right about having kids. I can't have kids due to severe Crohn's Disease.. it's hard because society doesn't understand how hard it is for people who cannot have kids . Love from Dublin-ireland ❤️
Crohns is diet related. Cut out carbohydrates and sugars.
@@acrxsls1766 I would think if it were as simple as that they would have done that. Please be sensitive to others situations. That can be taken as an awfully invalidating comment.
My acquaintances who have Crohn's have gone into remission during their pregnancies.
If you have been advised by your doctor not to get pregnant, please research.
@@acrxsls1766 wow.. trust me if it was that easy, then I'd be cured! Whined your neck and mind your business.. Crohn's is an autoimmune Disease not just dietary. Do you research before you comment!
@@Dbiss thank you ❤️
I loved this interview. Celeste - you are so well spoken and I enjoyed hearing everything you had to say. Thank you for sharing. ❤❤
It’s odd how defensive people can get over one’s own experience. Almost as if ALL people with turners syndrome should feel how they do. No one else was attacked for how they exist as a person with the same difference in genetics
love that you had them back to talk more on this subject! and glad to hear their thoughts again on their identity as well as their syndrome :)
I am still trying to work it out and I will be 72 tomorrow. You be you, a lovely human being.
seeing the stories of disabled nonbinary people on this platform is so meaningful to me - i'm disabled (albeit not in the same way) and nonbinary too, and i think celeste is so thoughtful in the way they express themself, and this channel is doing wonderful work in giving them a platform to help challenge the strict gender binary and explore their personal relationship with their gender and body ♥️
How is she disable? Does she have something else other than Turner syndrome?
Here we go.. you Caucasian people are off the hook.
@@Toastymosty69 what does that have to do with it 💀💀
@@Toastymosty69 a bit of an enraged gamer are we?
@@AndyKnight big mad are we? Keep being pressed 🙂
Thank you Celeste for speaking so openly and for being who you are. (: you're great.
Also this interview makes me appreciate you even more than I already did, Chris. (:
I think with the topic of gender identity, especially being trans or non-binary, there are a lot of people who react very strongly and negatively and at the moment there is a huge backlash in society in general.
So I really appreciate your openness, your calm way of listening and asking great questions. And also how you are always open to challenging your own preconceptions.
I also really liked how you brought up the topic of intersectionality.
It's great that you have conversations like this one, because you have such a big, open community that is always willing to learn about other peoples lifes. (:
Celeste is an amazing human! I am so grateful to get to hear their perspective.
Why would people have a negative reaction to them clearly talking about THEMSELVES? They're not saying the whole community is like this. I don't understand people honestly, but they responded very well to it.
They* lmao 🤣
Celeste and Chris, thank you! I identify as gay and have Spina Bifida, and also.happen to be in recovery. It is so important to be confident in who you are!
It’s so sad what the parents of TS kids were commenting. Most egregious of all, they clearly ignore the points of the original video. Celeste clearly isn’t speak for the entire TS community, they are just sharing their story (Very well an eloquently the first and second time around I might add). In fact, shading stories like theirs is wonderful because highlighting intersectionality is important for all communities.
Thank you Celeste for both your first and second video. You are such a sweet, thoughtful and wise person. ❤️
Celeste is so well-spoken. As in their first video they convey clearly that they're talking about their own experience.
People hear something they disagree with, and forget anything that was said before or after. 😕
Celeste, you seem like a awesome person and I’m glad you and Chris made this second video, it’s very interesting!
Hey, Celeste! You’re back!! Nice to see you again, and great to hear how you’ve been progressing since your last interview. Kudos for speaking up confidently for yourself, and for supporting others that haven’t found their voice yet. The world needs advocates like you, and I hope any negativity you’ve experienced since speaking out will not deter you - your resilience, your courage and as Chris said, your grace, are just a few qualities we all could benefit from being closer to and learning from.
Keep doin what you’re doin, and hopefully we will see more updates in future!! 👏🏼💖🌈😊
Everything about gender has so much potential to be nuanced. Like Celeste said themselves, having an intersex condition and identifying as non-binary has no inherent link but it can still change the experience of either. Forrest Valkai has an interesting video titled "Sex and Sensibility" that explains a ton about gender and sex from a biological perspective better than I ever could in a single comment.
A lot of people seem to have this fear of others not falling into designated boxes and staying in them, in this case man or woman, despite there being so much that could be beyond. The variety should be explored and celebrated rather than shunned.
Chris, I really appreciate your genuine interest in this sort of topic and having Celeste back here again as someone to help you explore it - you both did fantastic. :)
I watched the video you recommended and it was extremely helpful for me to understand a lot of things, thank you!
@John McAlister themselves*
I love Forrest's vids
@John McAlister there's no woman in the video. Just an intersex non binary person. The pronouns are for their comfort, not yours.
@John McAlister not everything is about you.
I always heard when a child is born intersexed, the parents make a choice to which genitalia they want to keep and which one they want removed. And then I heard from adults who let's say we're born intersexed and their parents chose for them to be a boy and they grew up and did not feel like a boy at all or the other way around. I'm just wondering if a child today is born intersexed do they just keep both genitalia? Curious how things have changed over time. Great interview very articulate and wonderful.
Genital surgery on intersex babies is cruel and unnecessary. Intersex people should be able to live as they are and make their own decisions, being intersex is not a mistake
Physical intersex traits are much more complicated than you seem to realize. That said, decent, educated parents now allow their child to grow up in an affirming environment so when the time comes for them to decide they will do so for themselves. Unfortunately, not all parents and medical providers are informed and caring.
There are tons of people that still think that it's acceptible to mutilate the tip of a certain body part.
So there is your answer.
Sadly the medical practitioners in the room can make the decision too, it still happens. Celeste mentioned ambiguous g3n!talia... that is the rule of thumb that drs still use. If they can't tell the s3x of the newborn baby by looking at them, they do surgery to fit into and check a Male or Female box. There has been more pushback recently regarding these protocols but its still practiced.
@@throughthedin thank you so much for your thoughtful reply. Yeah I wish they would have talked more about that aspect of being intersex. You know like you're explaining to me what happens at birth and I have seen all kinds of documentaries about this and it seems really confusing and barbaric in some ways. Why can't the child just have both genitalia. Also there's a book out I don't know if you've heard about it it's called a boy named it or it might be a boy called it because they did do a surgery on him and he wasn't the gender of the genitalia. I guess it can be rather confusing but I don't really know what the answer is. It really upsets me though that a doctor or surgeon can make this decision without the consent of the parents. That doesn't seem to be in any way ethical. Have a great day.
So very happy for you Celeste! Your are a lovely human being inside and out, and thank you for sharing everything with us! Much love!
How come all these folks have such excellent speaking skills...so perfect. No shyness of camera accurate pronunciation and it feels as if they should go on speaking. I loved them 🌹🌹
You spoke so eloquently Celeste! Thank you for being you and for sharing your story!
Celeste, thank you so much for sharing your experiences with the SPSK community TWICE! You’re an incredible person and I especially appreciated your insights on intersectionality of identities. Our human spirits and beings are so complex, and I think many people forget that someone may have many identities and not just one.
What gracious, well spoken, and emotionally intelligent people Celeste and Chris both are. I am twice Celeste's age but wish I had more friends like that. I think they are great in every way.
I thought this interview was really well done! It was nice to hear Chris talk to the person who is interviewing normally. We all have our upbeat professional working voice and it was just nice to hear his normal one in this video!👍❤️
I appreciate you talking so clearly and succinctly about these topics. They are a hot button issue now and you did a great job at speaking for yourself and your own convictions without speaking for others. I also see the value of intersectionality, in how it applies to you, that brings the concept of not being shoe horned into a predefined larger societal category and finding that gender euphoria. That is a concept I haven't been exposed to before in that way.
Just want to thank you both for such an informative, thought provoking interview/conversation. Love the flow you guys have. Looking forward to the next one!
So proud of SBbSK for inviting Celeste back to talk about their experience with both Turner Syndrome and their experience being nonbinary, even if it's something some viewers aren't comfortable with. We don't often see integrity like that on youtube. Celeste's perspective is so important, and I love that Chris lets his friends speak for themselves in these videos. Keep up the amazing work! You rock, Celeste!
Yay Celeste! I really like their first video, good to see you back!
It's good to see you gain, Celeste. Everybody is unique & it's inevitible that some people with ts, just like some people without ts, will be non-binary. A person's identity is not fully defined by their diagnosis. I didn't have any issues with your first interview. I enjoyed "meeting" you & getting to know you as a person, not just your ts diagnosis. Thank you so much for sharing more of your story. People can learn a lot from you.
Great video, thank you! Celeste, it was a pleasure to hear you speak! People often commit to misunderstanding others if it doesn’t apply to their story line. Lots of love to you!!
What an amazing human being and incredibly well spoken.
It really takes away from the acceptance thing when it only applies to some who are discriminated and not to others. Thanks Chris for highlighting this discrepancy.
i don't usually comment but just wanted to say thank you for speaking out about your experience and congrats on your recovery journey!!
Love to see returning friends! I knew Celeste wasn't speaking for everyone with TS or every intersex person or every nonbinary person, but perhaps some folks needed to hear that reiterated. Anyway, happy Pride y'all! LGBTQIA+++ is a wide and gorgeous spectrum.
Celeste is great! They are so calm and good with expressing their thoughts - I'm not sure I would have as much patience for people pushing back against me sharing my experiences. So "graceful" is definitely a good word to describe Celeste!!
I'm a perisex (not intersex) non binary person and I'm glad that the topic of queer community having problems with accommodating disabled people or people in recovery was mentioned - intersectionality is really important and we should all remember that being discriminated against or being a victim of prejudice doesn't mean we can't discriminate, be prejudiced and inconsiderate towards other people from marginalized groups.
Chris, I'm thankful that you are also trying to be intersectional in your thinking and that you give people a platform to represent their reality. I think that this video is really important in so many ways!
@@k1_w3 google says “perisex” is a term proposed by and/or for the intersex community to describe a person who is not intersex.
@@gothgrrl8711 They're a troll. They're doing this on all the comments and saying the typical "I thought you were supposed to be a tolerant community" bs to people who are trying to educate them because they're "being rude" IMO this person probably doesn't even watch these videos. Any videos on TH-cam that have anything to do with the LGBT community always attract a bunch of outside trolls.
@@k1_w3 Not unnecessary if it helps people have discussions and differentiate conditions. Just like disabled and abled-body, even if disabled people are a minority, abled-bodied is still helpful language. Interesex people deserve to have their own words to talk about their experiences. Also, you make a dangerous implication by saying intersex people aren't part of the norm, as if to say they're unatural in a negative sense. Might be just me but be careful about that.
I have Turner Syndrome like Celeste, and they're not wrong - there was massive backlash in the community. My biggest guess why? The fact that TS comes with a really *BIG* potential for infertility. In our overall society, fertility is the cornerstone of feminity/womanhood in general. So for a cohort that already struggle to feel "woman" enough in this world, for us to have this kind of representation can be a really hard thing for them to manage internally.
Note: I don't agree with this viewpoint, But this took YEARS of introspection to say that. TS is absolutely intersex.
I have learnt a lot, thank you all, this has been an eye-opener.
Celeste, as a TS women around you same age I’d love to meet you! I personally identify as a female with an intersex condition and use she/her pronouns. I like to say I’m running on default settings! I understand the grief of infertility for sure as well. I also saw the pushback within TS support groups when your video gets brought up. It’s a very sensitive topic for most in the community. Let me know if you would like to connect!
I also have turners
I have Klinefelter Syndrome (XXY). I would love to be on your program if you have never had a discussion about it.
Celeste is one of my most favorite guests you've had on. Learned a lot from them. They are so confident.
Humans being humans, I love this channel. I learn so much every time 😁
Celeste is absolutely wonderful, the story they shared really touched my heart!
It sucks how hard it is to use they/them with Italian grammar. There are many ways we've been trying but the grammar it's very hard and it sounds so forced. They/them works better, I've seen a few Italian people asking to use that but saying a full sentence in Italian and having to change to English mid feels kinda weird. Sorry for the grammar rant, just saying English it's great for LGBTQ+ people 🌈
I appreciate them so much!
I Know What You Mean, I Am Italian.
Turkish doesn't have gendered pronouns and gendered objects also we don't have any gender grammar wise. Some languages that are connected to Turkish (such as Korean,Japanese,Mongolian,Finnish and Hungarian) have this same thing as well.So when we talk we dont use words like boy/girlfriend(common word for these is lover and most people use this) or she/he so you can't really figure out somebody's gender without you asking or figuring out later in convo.
In German literally everything is gendered either masculine, feminine or described as it/its. but officially there are no genderneutral pronouns.
Same in spanish, in english is much easier
Odio con tutto il cuore quel fottuto asterisco.
O niente o la "e" capovolta (che non ho sulla tastiera), ma l'asterisco proprio NO.
Thank you Celeste for being so open about your gender identity. As a women with ts some trouble watching the first video, mostly due to personally never feeling like a boy in any way. But not fully feeling female, just not being complete. I understand that not everyone feels the same. And you don’t deserve negativity in any way. I am glad you had the chance to explain more how you felt. It is a shame gender is such a difficult topic within our community. Love and thank your for sharing your story
That’s called being human and it’s how most women feel. Just cause sexist society says women have to act a certain way to be women doesn’t mean it’s true.
One thing that a sceptic can’t deny; Celeste, is incredibly intelligent. They know their situation in a completely and holistically way
Thank you so much for sharing your story, Celeste! So many interesting layers to dissect when it comes to your story. You are so brave to be open to sharing it all! We have a lot to learn from you and stories like yours! Nonbinary love 💜💛🤍🖤
Celeste and Chris, thank you for sharing such a heartfelt and sensitive topic. I hope Celeste knows that fostering or adopting is an option for them. You seem to be an amazing, thoughtful, compassionate and loving person. I would think that a child would be proud to call you their own. I commend you for your willingness to keep moving forward. I hope that your sobriety continues to be a healthy part of your journey. I don’t know what kind of work you do, but I do know that I would be proud to call you friend and colleague. Your star is as bright as your smile and laugh! Sending love from CALIF!
I am intersex and AFAB too, although not with Turner syndrome but hyperandrogenism. I identify non-binary as well, agender to be precise. And yes, I found out that the intersex community, especially those people who actually don't belong to the community but are parents or friends of intersex people, are extremely transphobic. If you're intersex and haven't a hard time with those nasty people, try to educate them if you have the energy and they are ready to listen but otherwise, don't waste your time on them and just ignore those nasty people.
@@k1_w3 AFAB is assigned female at birth, agender is someone who doesn't feel like any gender fits them so they exist outside of the gender spectrum. You could just plug these questions into your chosen search engine, you'll learn a lot on this big ol internet!
@@k1_w3 AFAB is an acronym for the phrase "Assigned female at birth" which includes cis woman and me for example even though I'm non-binary. Meanwhile agender is a term for people who don't identify with any particular gender. Agender is one of the specific identities within the non-binary spectrum/umbrella term. Basically an Agender person is someone who doesn't use a strict set of pronouns like he/him, she/her, or they/them, depending on who you meet some will be fine if you refer to them by any pronouns or specific ones. Its different for person to person.
It’s sad. The people/community that should be the most understanding seems even less inclusive than the general cisgender population with no connections to anyone in the intersex community.
@@k1_w3 i don't mean this in a mean way but if you're that confused i would advise you to just google it. because it gets a little bit tiring having to explain your identity all the time. but also, by googling it you can find different resources that explain those terms in different ways, if for some reason a certain explanation isn't well written or whatever. that way you can find more info about the topic in general! i understand that if it's the first time you hear these terms you might be confused so that's why i advise you to google it, some identities can sound very similar and that makes it a little confusing, but each of them have their own flags so that also helps you to differentiate them in a visual way. i hope this helps lol!
@@k1_w3 insidetheart's response wasn't rude at all. In fact, their response was very kind. Your response is what is rude.
Celeste, were we roommates in college freshman year? If so, it’s good to see you again! If not, I’m thinking of some other non-binary Celeste.
This is so sweet! If they're not your nonbinary former roommate, I hope you can find them and reconnect one day.
@@AdorkableArtist92 If they're*
@@OnlyMichaelJackson Oops! Thank you. I fixed it.
They are so sweet! No explanation needed I don't think! What an amazing soul they are.
My goal in life is to become this calm, patient and centered, I am struggling a lot with impatience and temper
Being proud of who you are. That's really helped me thank you so much 💚. I'm facing different hardships at that moment and I'd lost my own view of me. But these words hit me. Thank you xx
Hi Celeste, I think it is so beautiful how you respond to the push back from others. You were able to take something negative and turn it into a learning opportunity for others. You are such a ray of sunshine and I’m so glad I stumbled upon this video - you are so incredibly emotionally intelligent and I think how you spoke in this interview was inspiring
This is a family friend and they're amazing. Love seeing their story told.
They are such a cool person! Thanks for sharing your story, Celeste
I don't have turner syndrome, but I _do_ identify as non-binary as well as using they/them pronouns.
It astounds me how much backlash I get over something so little as a pronoun preference or how I 'should just pick one.'
I hear a lot of people say that "they/them" isn't a valid pronoun 'set' and it is used to describe 'plural' amounts of people. Which is true, but its also the most comfortable pronoun for me, as well as other people who identify as nonbinary. Its upsetting.
The whole pronoun thing is fairly new and has been very trendy. When the list of genders are literally endless and becoming impossible to keep track of, I don't know how long it will keep going at this speed.
I understand that people want to be different and unique, this is something that young people are latching onto. Time will tell where it goes and how society will accept or reject the practice of self-selected pronoun use.
@@davidparker9676 ?
Actually, the usage of singular "they" can be traced back to the 1300s, which makes it both older than the singular form of "you" and an entirely valid pronoun set to use. And ignore the guy above me, being nonbinary is definitely not a trend lol. People have displayed gender non-conformity for as long as we have existed, the only "trend" regarding this identity in our current day is spreading awareness so that nonbinary people are able to live comfortably and freely. I'm wishing you the best, wherever and whoever you are :D
Thank you for sharing your story Celeste! This discussion was great.
Hey Celeste, I can't believe you had negative comments on your first video! I thought you spoke so clearly that it was YOUR experience with TS and this was how YOU identify. Some people have such knee jerk reactions to others who are outside their worldview, they act like it's a personal attack on them, but in reality they are uncomfortable because they are so closed minded. I think you are totally awesome and I'm happy you are living true to how you feel. Also congrats on your sobriety, such and achievement, proud of you!
What an amazing person who has the best way of communicating what they live and thank you so much for this wonderful video, dear!! ❤️👍😇
It's such a shame that despite SBSK clearly trying to maintain a respectful, understanding, non-judgemental community, transphobic people think that they have the right to comment so unkindly.
@@BMWEnjoyer I'm so sorry you have to put up with it, it's completely unfair, I hope you know that you're completely valid in your identity ❤️
I feel so bad that people made you feel bad for expressing who you are! I will never understand why anyone feels like they have the right to tell another person how they should feel, or think, or be. You are a beautiful person inside and out.
Congratulations on the success you've had in your recovery journey!! That's amazing! I'm so happy for you, Celeste.
Great video! I think people were more confused about the fact that her gender identity was included in the same video speaking about Turner's syndrome. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it...but obviously other people did. Possibly, it might have given the impression that girls with Turner syndrome are non binary. Probaly should have done a separate follow-up video where we can learn more about Celeste and that she also identifies as non-binary. Great interview Celeste!
Life is complicated. Then add to that a disability of any kind and it becomes extra tricky to navigate. I've always been different and have become socially isolated over the years due to feeling extremely self conscious of my differences. What doesn't help is when other people invalidate my experience with their lack of understanding. Celeste, you spoke beautifully not just for those who identify as non-binary and intersectional but for all of us who are different. I have ADHD, Dysthymia and CPTSD. It's taken me a lifetime of living and research to understand myself more and I'm still learning how to function within my limits. Thanks Chris for the work you do and the way you give people a chance to speak and be heard. It's a most valuable gift we are given here on your channel. xo
Difficult so lets make it more by throwing new nouns out there. Perfect idea
@@CAPTINjacksparrow a bit of an enraged gamer, are we?
Can't believe all these discriminatory comments and people thinking they can decide who someone else should be.
I so appreciate the courage it takes to share your story in a world that limits us with labels. You have such a beautiful, kind and generous soul. It’s incredible. Thank you for being unique and helping the world learn to embrace our uniqueness. We are all connected despite our differences.🙏🏻💕🌻
Celeste - You are a beautiful person, compassionate, insightful, nonjudgmental, and clearly very intelligent. Whatever you want to do with your life, you will be successful.
Thank you Celeste for speaking so eloquently on your situation and how it impacts your life. I have learned so much from you. I wish you all the best.
Thank you for explaining everything so well, Celeste!
Just wow. What a bright and intelligent human being. Thank you for your clear expression of the way you identify .You would make an incredible teacher. All the best.
I love these videos super inspirational videos keep it up bro
this was so educational, thank you Celeste you articulated it so well for those of us who didn't know much about the topic!
Celeste is someone I have so much respect for. They have so much compassion and understanding for the people who had a negative reaction. I also loved the conversation regarding intersectionality! This video will be so useful and beneficial for people to see.
Celeste, never feel bad, guilty or embarrassed for openly expressing who you are; most people aren't half as self aware as you are, you explain your own experience, TS or no TS. Let all the negativity wash right over you, keep your positivity untarnished by any 'sticks & stones' thrown your way(cos the saying is wrong, it should be "name calling hurts like sticks & stones" ) & just keep on smiling, being you & spreading the openness & understanding you show in this video, even to those "haters" out there; you are an amazing person ❤️
I think you hit the mail on the head when you characterized Celeste as “gracious “. They have a lot of wisdom, thoughtfulness, and empathy which is the epitome of Grace.
Excellent video! Congrats to Celeste for your recovery, including that process of recovery from open heart surgery.
I've had a mechanical mitral valve for 24 years. Trying to keep within the therapeutic zone is still a challenge sometimes.
It's great to get to learn about you & your journey!