Simple answer. The Tenno are not heroes, we are mercenaries. There's a reason why the Tenno don't help in every invasion, namely the infested ones, if the reward isn't there neither will the Tenno be.
This reminds me of a song... soundcloud.com/user-168042611-872573264/battle-hymn-of-the-mechwarrior-1 Not made for this franchise, but feels rather appropriate
True enough. I always get a bit concerned seeing theoperator speak so highly of themselves as noble and honorable warriors when we massacre thousands on the regular. I hope some quest can touch on that.
Thing is though, General Sargas Ruk touches on this. During his boss fight, he questions whether the Tenno fight for honour or for treasure, and that they are nothing to him but just more Corpus machines.
Solaris Prisoner : "you and me let's make some ruckus" Me : "Okay" (used zenith granum crown) 5 seconds later Solaris Prisoner : "good to know you mate see ya" (warps out) Me : "dude...... uncool......."
When you say you freed the prisoners, You are actually paying tribute in the form of a coin to send them to the grannum void. The actual animation is the same as someone getting into the grannum void So, technically, you are sacrificing fortuna people to grannum which will be saved by another tenno from the void.
The best thing are the truly sadistic corpus. Only one crown per mission, but also 3 (?) solaris in every single mission. That makes you the judge not only about if you save them, but also who you save, since you cant save them all. So, this develops into a fundamental question: are you grasping the lore, the knowledge, and lose your humanity by not saving anyone and becoming totally reckless much like the corpus (are you gonna be a corpus?)? Or are you sacrificing the chance for knowledge and might, for progress, and saving as much solaris as you can (are you gonne be a human?)?
"How much human can you lose and still remain human?" Is a question posed by transhumanist media everywhere. In the Solaris' case, as seen when reaching rank 5, their heads are still completely intact, just in a different location. This in my opinon means they are still 100% complete humans, even in the case of Thursby who literally only has his head left. The only case where a person stops being a person is when the brain itself is tampered with, as seen in Ticker's memory fragments where she describes her lover coming back to her from Brain Shelving as a completely different person, their memories and personality gone.
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 You are 100% correct. This was a year ago and I didnt realize it then. my reply has been corrected and thanks for pointing it out 😊
I had an interesting experience playing a week or so ago, when i was solo farming for the Granum Crowns. I knew you could use it to rescue Solaris people, but i had just assumed they were all stuck in the granum void. Then as i was exiting the mission, i stumbled onto one of the trapped ones, because i heard them calling out to me and my curiosity won over me. I freed him with a regular crown and then headed to extraction, only to be stopped because i ran into another one, who was nearby but hidden. It took a bit of exploring, but i found them trapped on a lower level, and was about to free them but paused because i realized i had already used two zenith crowns for the void hand, and i had one zenith left. After a couple minutes of internal debate, I ended up using it to free the Solaris because it would be hypocritical for me to have a positive karma wheel but just leave them there... even though the gamer side of me was pissed about wasting the Zenith coin to only get 900 standing. I didn't think about it then, but reflecting on it, there is nothing really stopping you from never using crowns to free them, aside from maybe the desire for standing and your morals. Edit: Man, this was deep. It makes me wish we could spend standing instead of crowns.
Haven't spent even one yet since I'd rather have a more meaningful way to save them en masse. I guess going to the granum void might be the way to do that. I guess. But I don't know.
you know, I find it funny that the Corpus closest to Parvos' ideals is Alav V. - Most of the machines he made, he made by repurposing old tech (Zanuka, the Mutalist gene and the amalgamation process); - He's the only (former) board member that fights us directly, deals with us often, and honors his deals (looking at you, Nef) - He's probably getting very close to bankruptcy, because I doubt Natah pays him. - He has a direct hand in the creation of all his projects. All he really need to succeed is luck.
Suddenly... “You turn your backs on a lot of people, tenno. But what do you care?”(Steel Meridian) “You tenno seek for treasure. You are just another corpus to me”(Sargus Ruk) Suddenly they feel more ominous because we used to laugh as they try to present excuses to belittle us, who are clearly superior... but now we know... they were right... the Grineer were right. The grineer who were defending their homes from an invading tenno. “I was born a mimic, to swallow the pitch eggs of their war machines.” You succeeded, lotus. You got us right in our moral core...
That's the vibe I got since I started the game, well before I knew any lore. I didn't get what the Tenno were, a space police, just random heroes, or just another faction working towards their own goal. That's the case with most stories based in space. When you spread so many creatures across such a big area it's hard to tell what's evil and what's good. We're currently on just one planet and everything still becomes gray when you look at a bigger picture
@@incog0956 The best explanation is that we're mercenaries without masters and with a conscience. We use all the factions to control one another for the benefit of the little guys who can't fight for themselves.
@@incog0956 I think the worst part of it all is that everything was once connected so tightly, most of the shit in the universe was created by people, and now those people have become so distant that you can barely tell what's similar about them besides being humanoid. The machines and monsters they face, all of their enemies, are of their own creation. We play as one of their creations, in a time after they were somewhat forgotten. It's hard to say what we were even fighting for, why we left, or why we are seen as enemies.
@@TheDsIEGE looks like the only faction worthy of trust is other tenno, and ironicly the infested. If only we could use helminth to connect the tenno and other infested.
@@aylmao9899 Good is not good, if it's linked to a superior reward - or even a decent one. To do good, to do *real* good... requires you to sacrifice something you wanted. Lore... weapon parts... whatever it is you're after, giving it up for the sake of someone else without even being compensated for your loss - that is proof that you have done good. That said, they do kinda make it easy on you here - there are solaris trapped in the part-dropping missions as well, and it's unlikely that the corpus you save outside of the granum void are going to be killed - more likely repossessed. And bringing a full squad means that save for the rare missions where you find four trapped solaris, you can still save everyone and also get your lore
Question: did you use Revenant as your "avatar" for this episode on purpose since his lore/storyline, he is the warden of the plains? Or was that on accident? If on purpose, very fitting b/c wardens can "sometimes" be the judge, jury and excutioner of prisoners...even if they don't want to/don't care for the prisoners.
VERY VERY NICE CATCH. There's a few very subtle things I put in each video, movie quotes, visual changes or relevant frame/weapons, they are like my "easter eggs"... And you found one...
@@TheDsIEGE hell yeah. And as much as I love playing Rev, I would 100% believe that he would just stare at the solaris prisoners and just say, "....no" and just walk away leaving the poor solaris to their fate. As Revenant been a warden for who know how long, he strike me as someone who just can't be kind anymore.
I haven't even done any grannum void stuff or tenements because it goes like this. Banker shows up. Yes I got a Coin! Please don't let me run into a prisoner. Prisoner screams for help as I go by. Aw Crap. Fine. You got Solaris standing.
I never once outside the quest used a coin to re enter, nor do i plan too. Used a couple on the lore but I always hunt out a prisoner to free if i can.
I have to wonder if those choices alongside the moral sun/moon choices that came a few quests back but didn't seem to go anywhere will affect the players time in the duveri paradox whenever it drops.
There is also the choice of how to do ship tileset sabotage that comes up in the tutorial, do you do it quick and dirty by blowing up the reactor (and killing everybody on board) or do you wait couple minutes for the coolant to freeze the reactor and not blow up the ship?
@@darkolli i do like the sound of that but systems like that are going to be very background things that at best would be tied to some lore. Unless of course it's tied into the focus/void abilities in some way. For example chosing dark side morality would give a particular void ability related to that and a different one for the light side while chosing the middle road would have a weaker version that combined the two.
I dont see DE doing anything that fantastic and complex. Do i need to start on how disappointed i am at kuva leaches? I played middle-earth and that is no where close to the nemesis system... its just another endless farm, the interaction is not organic at all... Damn i am so salty at how they did it -.-' So much potential (T . T)
@@TheDsIEGE run in a squad all 4 people can pick up the crown that drops, but missions very rarely spawn 4 rescue-able solaris. Most of the time you can free everyone and still have one person get their lore or open a void- just rotate who gets to do it every time, and you're set
@@TheDsIEGE I grabbed all the lore and farmed enough granum void for protea and all the weapons. Which was about another 25 crowns. 38 people I could've saved. Geez, the one thing that makes me not hate myself is the separation of reality and the game, they arent real people so their arent any real consequences for my actions.
A person is their memories in my opinion. If you lose your memories your no longer you. Your memories are your "soul". What comprises who you are and how you act
First off, thank you for being one of the few people recognizing "lore" and information as a valid reward. That's how games used to be...we played because we wanted to "beat" the game, sure...but once games started to involve more story, we played because we wanted to know what happens. These days, TH-cam and reddit make it so playing for info isn't necessary. But at some point, I want to have enough crowns for the tenet fragments. Anyways... Awesome emphasis on the moral dilemma here, I think about it on the Corpus ships as well. I think it was a phenomenal decision on DE's part to work Fortuna and the Solaris into the Corpus ships. As well as granting Solaris standing for freeing the prisoners, it's a great way to connect basic missions with the greater world they've created. People hate the islands of content, and this creates great connective tissue. Granted, longtime veterans aren't as concerned with the standing reward (on my PS4 account, I can kinda concur), but I just finished Deadlock Protocol on my Switch account, and I'm only rank 2 or 3 of 5 there, so freeing prisoners with any Crowns I pick up will be my priority. Kuva Siphon missions on Corpus Ships are great for getting Zenith Crowns, I'm finding, overlapping rewards is where it's at. I need to get a squad of folks to run those with me sometime, get some Kuva, get a Crown, head into the void.
As of right now there is no consequence one way or the other, just a reward or standing. If you remember those crossfire missions were you had to do three of them for one side or the other you could only choose one side to get a prize from while the other side or keep track and possibly send out assassins after you.
So much as we know... See I was thinking about the fact that... if they take everything, isn't it possible some of the ones that can't pay the debt just get incinerated or if nothing else, "removed off the books"? I feel like we're only seeing the "lucky" ones in fortuna...
The quest and post quest explains that the ones trapped on the ships are sent to granum void eventually. So there are two options, take xoris and free solaris or turn your crowns into credits (using Crown at the tenet shrine provides credits once you own all 11.). Tickers debt bond entry's explain that the corpus claim limbs till they have none left. Including the head. The mind is worked in the proxy system to earn their way back out, but you earn less then you rack up in nefs part of the corpus. Tickers boy friend (ticker is confirmed gay in the codex entry's) is one of the unlucky souls to lose even their head. Ticker worked to buy back his boy friends mind, but once ticker got him back, he wasn't himself anymore, being in that proxy network of other minds had made him no longer himself. So don't waste your crown saving one solaris, save a group. Eventually you save those guys you saw locked up. Your only saving a fraction of the solaris taken either way. Not all research is on granum void.
Ha, so ticker is gay? He always had some of the most peculiar and interesting things to say which I appreciate when I looked deeper into what was actually being said. If you would take them on the surface value it’s easy to dismiss what he is saying though.
Vlad in saturn six wolf story night wave he not kill the wolf friends to lead him vlad trap the mind controls on saturn six wolf head but back fire sorry my grammer
Wait y'all did not farm/kill the wolf either. I thought of him as a Robin hood kind of character. He was talking out big bosses around the solar system. Seems like an ok guy to me.
I really wish this was brought to the forefront in the game. Can you imagine one day you jump into Solaris, and the inhabitants are begging you, angry at you for deliberately choosing not to save people while the Biz and Eudico try to justify your actions "for the greater good"
So many times this situation made me feel somewhat guilty, walking by a prisoner, hearing them turn so hopeful at the sight of me, and not having _anything_ to help them. As for the question of how much can you replace... There is a line from one of the residents of Fortuna... "At first I felt like I was losing who I am. But after all this time I understand that who I really am is the only thing I didn't lose".
In order to conveniently solve that morale dilemma, there would need to be two new mission types: a crown heist where the players ambush a place where granum crowns are stored and an endless type rescue mission. The devs should have been so fair to give players the option to mercy kill the prisoners that can't be saved.
The way I tackled it is pretty straight forward. I got everything I needed from the void. The void no longer has significant use for me so anymore coins I get randomly will go to prisoners that I happen across, not that I'll go out of my way to find them if I'm just running though XD.
I've been saving the the locked guys when I come across them...but only when accidentally find them. I want the lore, but I keep have to spend crowns. Since we treating these ones and zeros, I have two question: 1. How many crewmen joined up to, just to avoid becoming like those in Fortuna, and not because they're evil? 2.How many crewmen (who were like the guy from the glassmaker nightwave) have we killed and how many people ended up worse off in the short term because of us?
This is imo the embodiment of the heros dilema "do you choose to die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain" you can't save everyone and eventualy the weight of having to choose who lives and who dies, it corrupts you, twists you into something you never thought you'd be. The real question, is how long can you go, how long can you fight against all odds, how long can you go saving 1 for every 5, how long till you stop saving them? How long, until you become the villain?
This is subtle way to tell us, the players, to do those missions in a squad. Everybody gets to pick up the coin the treasurer drops, and more people can be saved with those coins
yeah, this is was steve was refering to while talking about choosing "greed" or the other thing (i cant remember the proper word)... of course the players would straigh up ignore the prisoners, farm the granum void until its dry and then worry about lore or prisoners. in short, the idea is awesome as well as the execution but it kinda lacks the feeling that all 3 possible reward are equally necessary at the same time. still a good mechanic if you think about it.
The Doc Holiday turn of phrase was very fitting.. every victory has a price and you can imagine the toll such a choice would take on a person... Got to wonder what would happen if the level complete screen had a listing of those you let perish.
You have to remember these characters are given depth out of someone's own thoughts, they are a reflection of there makers humanity. The deeper the person the deeper the character.
I'm glad I found your channel, I really enjoy listening to you while I pay games. You have a soothing voice and I like the topics you choose. Keep it up I think you deserve many more subs!
the way you said "what is it gonna be hero?" reminded me of a dnd story I saw a while back called "how a simple street thug killed a god". if anyone knows the story they would know what I mean. I won't spoil it, it's a good read.
This can be negated by going in with a full squad as you have the ability to save all onboard and still come out with a coin spare as everyone gets one from the tresurer but void and freeing only takes from one person. We all lift together, not we all lift alone in solo mode.
i don't know how many people feel the same way but the only thing stopping me from reaching max rank with solaris is knowing that i'll have to see a severed head in a robots chest every time i go to fortuna.
You forget theres 4 of us and everyone grabs their own instance of the coin. But I think the prisoners freed with coin dont give everyone the standing, so nothing changed.
You never have a right choice to do with the crowns everything you do with the crowns is a right choice Another thing is that if parvos Granum was leader of the corpus again the corpus would be less greedy cause in the quest parvos despised nef his own son for greediness so parvos leading the corpus could be better for them but worse for us
The major difference between Parvos and the rest of the corpus is the concept of charity. Parvos says that he believes being charitable is beneficial in the long run, but in fortuna Ticker even says that Nef Anyo despises charitable individuals.
To ascribe 'guilt' to being unable to save everyone, is to think more of yourself than you are. Save who you can; you hold the power to help by some twist of fate. A true monster saves no-one, yet spends the crowns all the same. Also going in as a squad means four crowns, so you can actually save everyone usually.
This is why we all lift together. The answer you are seeking has literally been in your ears the whole time. A team of four tenno can get 4 individual crowns per treasurer/mission. I've never seen more than 2 shackled prisoners per mission. The team can only enter the gran void once per mission. I'm fairly certain that everyone can be theoretically saved per mission. Of course, only one greedy tenno gets the lore tablet/progress if they use their token on the statue...
As someone who consistantly plays games for the "good endings" first, this drives me up the fucking wall. I feel so much rage at how I cant save them. Its not even a question of choosing between the void, the prisoner, and the lore. You will NEVER have enough coins to save them. It's like the Mass Effect ending. Your choice doesnt matter.
Siege - have you seen the HoD leaked images (looks like 5 glyphs w/ accompanying text) (I won't describe them or say anymore - you can find on reddit if your interested). Anyhow - lets just say - there is potential Jungian fodder in the far left and far right images descriptions - and maybe some in your face yen/yang stuff if you look at it hard enough. Maybe potential for a speculation video if you can pop it out before tennocon.
The games that gave me the most feels is LISA, The first Nier, and The Cat Lady. As for Warframe we kill so many people I kinda don't care about what happens to some random dude.
Basically this is the "you open a door and two gets closed", as you have to carry the decision you made in the ship. But I don't think the Tenno are the heroes that everyone thinks they are. Yes, they prevented really bad things to happen, but they're also part of what made these bad things to appear in one way or another. And because of this, I think the story won't have a happy ending, or at least not a truly satisfying one. Sorry, I started rambling a bit. Good video!
O.o talk about deep... I never got into the granum lore yet but i feel like this is some deep thinking X.x Im kinda glad we as humans haven't gotten to this serious of a type of reality >.
7:03 What about if all of your crowns were farmed from squads(like in my case, or in some people that I know), and Solaris *did* get rescued? That means that there was always something about the Solaris down in the chopping blocks.
Never thought of that as much of a choice. I usually use it to save the random people because I just don't care about the granum void all that much. Also worth noting that I've not regularly seen treasurers, prisoners, or otherwise, as not a guarantee any or all of them will spawn.
After the first few missions in the new tileset, my brother and I spent a few days just doing railjack missions in the veil proxima. Fighting the grineer and sentients at least made sense
It's why I think like a robot in certain situations. I think in Objectives, not in Morality. I go in with a purpose already in mind, and I complete that Objective and move on to the next, or bug out if I'm able. I only care about information I should know, and need to know, in order to complete said Objectives as efficiently as possible.
This aint me, but I do know it is fairly reasonable to save everyone: If you play with a full team, you pull four coins from a mission. That lets you do the void, and open up three shackles. Usually, there's not even three shackled. Which means, over time, you can expand a profit, and get the lore, or build a stockpile.
We are mercenaries, we just go wherever there's a mixture of money and trouble, and everyone in the galaxy is a potential customer. As always there are customers we serve, and customers we service. At least that's my oath.
2:24 the kills dont increase, the only increase is in the levels, not amount of kills, the kills only increase if there r multiple players in the squad Also, whenever there is a lich territory on the corpus ships, the solaris dont spawn, so could the grineer be "saving" them for their own interests? With the invasions and litches i cant see why they wouldnt regularly take control of their ships
tbh i feel as though the lesson here with the choice between saving the Solaris member in the void or in the ships is that you can't save everyone at once because if you save the one on the ship the other stays in the void and vice versa
So, interesting thing is that, if you haven't actually started the quest, the prisoners and treasurer still spawn...but the treasurer doesn't actually drop a crown. There is no crown to pick up from the treasurer's corpse, so he's literally a random red marker you can kill any time you do a mission in that tile set, but unless you've started the quest, he never drops anything when he dies. You also consequently have no way of freeing the prisoners you come across if you haven't started the quest, either.
VERY NICELY SAID. And interesting video yet again! It's like you're taking up the roll of StallordD and being the best Warframe lore TH-camr and catch all kinds of nice subtle details! Btw one thing that I really like about this update, is that it is actually quite a political one. I found out when listening to the Lore of Parvos: it's basically a criticism of capitalism. The story is basically Parvos creating capitalism within a feudalist empire. It is literally the same story as how capitalism is created. And how capitalism is supposed to work. But if you think about his philosophy than you'll realize that the Corpus becoming what they are now: just like the feudalist Orokin, was inevitable. Which is like a nice criticism on the libertarian mentality as well. They criticize our current form of capitalism for not being as it was intended and some even claim that we aren't even living under capitalism at all. But just like the Corpus, capitalism becoming what it is now, is inevitable. Lastly there is the part where Parvos mentioned that teh Corpus should either be violently restructured or abandoned completely. Which is a way to show us that he kinda has accepted that it was inevitable that the Corpus would become the way it is now.
A video on the full tenets of Parvos is on the way! I've seen his philosophy in another very prominent video game... gonna match the two up... Btw, thank you for the kind words. If StallordD is the historian, I'm the crazy conspiracy theory homeless dude always yelling at everyone to repent, lol!
Well the thing is, there is another thing you can or more precisely cannot do. If you haven't completed the Deadlock protocol yet, you can't pick up coins, you can't get lore, enter granum void nor help them. While I've been running missions without coins and means to get them, I just had no choice but to leave them there. I was powerless to help them. That was the worst feeling.
The fact that he doesn't tell us anything that porvis says in the lore option makes it worse because you have to figure it out yourself. And because of the butterfly effect if you choose the lore option then the prisoners die.
Too many times I’ve come across prisoners before doing the quest, so I couldn’t free them. I just stood by one for five minutes wondering if there was another way to free them, we’re Warframes for crying out loud!
Sadly, due to the Granum Void farm, I've got more coins than I rightly know what to do with and every one I spend is replaced by another treasurer appearing before me so I never have to worry about the moral implications leaving a solaris crewman on board a ship I'm sabotaging to blow up.
It is possible to have multiple crowns and still saved all the solaris you encountered. There is only one Solaris per map, and the treasure drops a crown for each tenno. That means only one tenno has to save the solaris, everyone else walks with their crown
Yeah as soon as I saw a prisoner I knew what was up. But you must remember, the Tenno are mercenaries, we fight for a reward. Those Solaris better hope they're the ones that get sent to the Void.
The worst thing about this for me is that I feel DE might not expand on the fate of the people we save (or leave behind) at all. They have left so many unanswered questions for years (remember that Chroma we had to chase and scan? how does our Warframe move during 2nd dream despite not having an operator yet? you name it) and I feel this might be another one to add to the ever growing pile. It's sad.
Erm, these treasurers respawn on defense tile sets. So, after sticking around for about eight or so rounds will at least net you more than one crown. Just rinse and repeat till you have enough crowns to accomplish all objectives. Been doing this while grinding baro currency. Interception tile sets work too. Also, to counter TheDsIEGE a bit here, there isn't any golden hands or prisoners spawning on these missions anyways, so you can save the crowns for later tile sets that actually has the captures Fortuna prisoners, golden hands, etc. Yeah, it takes a little grinding, but everything takes a little grinding in warframe anyways.
Simple answer. The Tenno are not heroes, we are mercenaries. There's a reason why the Tenno don't help in every invasion, namely the infested ones, if the reward isn't there neither will the Tenno be.
This reminds me of a song...
soundcloud.com/user-168042611-872573264/battle-hymn-of-the-mechwarrior-1
Not made for this franchise, but feels rather appropriate
True enough.
I always get a bit concerned seeing theoperator speak so highly of themselves as noble and honorable warriors when we massacre thousands on the regular. I hope some quest can touch on that.
Thing is though, General Sargas Ruk touches on this. During his boss fight, he questions whether the Tenno fight for honour or for treasure, and that they are nothing to him but just more Corpus machines.
Exactly the tenno are built to kill in a way
We are not mercenaries,
We are kids driven by rewards
I always feel aquerd when I see the next prisoner in the ship like "oh... Uh... I already used it on the last guy..."
This deserves more likes!
It is awkward when you still have to farm the drops.
Its a fall Dow on your knees and scream then want to kill nef anyo more than.ever moments
Yeah same which I can't help bu5 to feel bad but what can we do?
"shout save us" and you'll whisper "no"
alright there Rorschach
AgentZombie6021 XB1 that’s not the only movie quote in the video...
@@TheDsIEGE Doc Holiday from Tombstone.
Frank Allotta YOU GOT ANOTHER ONE!!! I wasn’t sure anyone would get it!!!
Solaris Prisoner: "save meeeesa"
Mesa: "Mesa not going to kill yousa, but mesa don't have to save yousa"
Solaris Prisoner : "you and me let's make some ruckus"
Me : "Okay" (used zenith granum crown)
5 seconds later
Solaris Prisoner : "good to know you mate see ya" (warps out)
Me : "dude...... uncool......."
batman!
When you say you freed the prisoners,
You are actually paying tribute in the form of a coin to send them to the grannum void.
The actual animation is the same as someone getting into the grannum void
So, technically, you are sacrificing fortuna people to grannum which will be saved by another tenno from the void.
Oh ho ho, we got a smart one here, chief.
well after that you got to go into grannum void and rescue em thats a lot of work just let em die may the darkness guide you
A prison now a freedom later
I noticed that animation too and wondered about it.
Call it coridination between tenno, without the com link item lol
Deadlock Protocol: *the toughest of decisions require the strongest of wills edition*
You ain't kiddin, Kiddo...
The best thing are the truly sadistic corpus. Only one crown per mission, but also 3 (?) solaris in every single mission. That makes you the judge not only about if you save them, but also who you save, since you cant save them all. So, this develops into a fundamental question: are you grasping the lore, the knowledge, and lose your humanity by not saving anyone and becoming totally reckless much like the corpus (are you gonna be a corpus?)? Or are you sacrificing the chance for knowledge and might, for progress, and saving as much solaris as you can (are you gonne be a human?)?
@@vorerstniemand which is why I whenever I kill a treasurer I spend the coin to save at least one of them showing a bit of humanity...
Go with a friend. Each person gets a coin.
It's two coins per run if your friend isn't greedy.
Vorerst Niemand it seems to be that the number of solaris prisoners on ship is randomized, but i encountered ships with 4(!) solaris prisoners.
"How much human can you lose and still remain human?" Is a question posed by transhumanist media everywhere.
In the Solaris' case, as seen when reaching rank 5, their heads are still completely intact, just in a different location. This in my opinon means they are still 100% complete humans, even in the case of Thursby who literally only has his head left.
The only case where a person stops being a person is when the brain itself is tampered with, as seen in Ticker's memory fragments where she describes her lover coming back to her from Brain Shelving as a completely different person, their memories and personality gone.
Ticker is a gal, isn't she?
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 You are 100% correct. This was a year ago and I didnt realize it then.
my reply has been corrected and thanks for pointing it out 😊
@@SanguineDoe ah you're welcome. She's a great gal and, as she'd say, don't wanna let the bats do we? Hehe
Damn, now this makes me feel like a sociopath for grinding all those damn crowns without much thought.
You monster... You need to go on a prison break spree methinks...
Lmao leave them where they are don't waste your crowns and after you are done farming the frame and weapons horde the crowns
It's a game, but you're not in the wrong here, it's Neff.
I had an interesting experience playing a week or so ago, when i was solo farming for the Granum Crowns. I knew you could use it to rescue Solaris people, but i had just assumed they were all stuck in the granum void. Then as i was exiting the mission, i stumbled onto one of the trapped ones, because i heard them calling out to me and my curiosity won over me. I freed him with a regular crown and then headed to extraction, only to be stopped because i ran into another one, who was nearby but hidden.
It took a bit of exploring, but i found them trapped on a lower level, and was about to free them but paused because i realized i had already used two zenith crowns for the void hand, and i had one zenith left. After a couple minutes of internal debate, I ended up using it to free the Solaris because it would be hypocritical for me to have a positive karma wheel but just leave them there... even though the gamer side of me was pissed about wasting the Zenith coin to only get 900 standing.
I didn't think about it then, but reflecting on it, there is nothing really stopping you from never using crowns to free them, aside from maybe the desire for standing and your morals.
Edit: Man, this was deep. It makes me wish we could spend standing instead of crowns.
Haven't spent even one yet since I'd rather have a more meaningful way to save them en masse. I guess going to the granum void might be the way to do that. I guess. But I don't know.
3:38 parvos did imprison amd possibly enslave his brother, makimg an example out of him. Background of last or second to last tablet
you know, I find it funny that the Corpus closest to Parvos' ideals is Alav V.
- Most of the machines he made, he made by repurposing old tech (Zanuka, the Mutalist gene and the amalgamation process);
- He's the only (former) board member that fights us directly, deals with us often, and honors his deals (looking at you, Nef)
- He's probably getting very close to bankruptcy, because I doubt Natah pays him.
- He has a direct hand in the creation of all his projects.
All he really need to succeed is luck.
That watchman reference though
YES!!!!!!!!!
Suddenly...
“You turn your backs on a lot of people, tenno. But what do you care?”(Steel Meridian)
“You tenno seek for treasure. You are just another corpus to me”(Sargus Ruk)
Suddenly they feel more ominous because we used to laugh as they try to present excuses to belittle us, who are clearly superior... but now we know... they were right... the Grineer were right. The grineer who were defending their homes from an invading tenno.
“I was born a mimic, to swallow the pitch eggs of their war machines.”
You succeeded, lotus. You got us right in our moral core...
Hey, Sargus promotes the abducting of children and the desecration of both dead and living cultures. He also attacks refugee safe zones.
I don’t think the lotus got us...
DE got use instead. XD
That's the vibe I got since I started the game, well before I knew any lore. I didn't get what the Tenno were, a space police, just random heroes, or just another faction working towards their own goal. That's the case with most stories based in space. When you spread so many creatures across such a big area it's hard to tell what's evil and what's good. We're currently on just one planet and everything still becomes gray when you look at a bigger picture
@@incog0956 The best explanation is that we're mercenaries without masters and with a conscience. We use all the factions to control one another for the benefit of the little guys who can't fight for themselves.
@@incog0956 I think the worst part of it all is that everything was once connected so tightly, most of the shit in the universe was created by people, and now those people have become so distant that you can barely tell what's similar about them besides being humanoid. The machines and monsters they face, all of their enemies, are of their own creation. We play as one of their creations, in a time after they were somewhat forgotten. It's hard to say what we were even fighting for, why we left, or why we are seen as enemies.
I wish if the Solaris have use like letting you know the location of hidden cash or aytan or some important room.
YEAH! That would cool, now that you mention it...
@@TheDsIEGE looks like the only faction worthy of trust is other tenno, and ironicly the infested. If only we could use helminth to connect the tenno and other infested.
The point is to have a weak reward for you if you choose this path imo. Not all good things will be rewarded appropriately
@@aylmao9899 Good is not good, if it's linked to a superior reward - or even a decent one. To do good, to do *real* good... requires you to sacrifice something you wanted. Lore... weapon parts... whatever it is you're after, giving it up for the sake of someone else without even being compensated for your loss - that is proof that you have done good.
That said, they do kinda make it easy on you here - there are solaris trapped in the part-dropping missions as well, and it's unlikely that the corpus you save outside of the granum void are going to be killed - more likely repossessed. And bringing a full squad means that save for the rare missions where you find four trapped solaris, you can still save everyone and also get your lore
@@Darasilverdragon I've had multiple ship runs where there wasnt a trapped solaris. Definitely made my choices easier.
Question: did you use Revenant as your "avatar" for this episode on purpose since his lore/storyline, he is the warden of the plains? Or was that on accident? If on purpose, very fitting b/c wardens can "sometimes" be the judge, jury and excutioner of prisoners...even if they don't want to/don't care for the prisoners.
VERY VERY NICE CATCH. There's a few very subtle things I put in each video, movie quotes, visual changes or relevant frame/weapons, they are like my "easter eggs"... And you found one...
@@TheDsIEGE hell yeah. And as much as I love playing Rev, I would 100% believe that he would just stare at the solaris prisoners and just say, "....no" and just walk away leaving the poor solaris to their fate. As Revenant been a warden for who know how long, he strike me as someone who just can't be kind anymore.
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Oberon is the gaurdian of all life revenant is the intern
I haven't even done any grannum void stuff or tenements because it goes like this.
Banker shows up.
Yes I got a Coin!
Please don't let me run into a prisoner.
Prisoner screams for help as I go by.
Aw Crap. Fine.
You got Solaris standing.
I never once outside the quest used a coin to re enter, nor do i plan too. Used a couple on the lore but I always hunt out a prisoner to free if i can.
Very nice... Respect.
I think the best I can do is to help the one in front of me who is in need...
I only use it for lore. Now that I've completed my collection, I don't even use them
I have to wonder if those choices alongside the moral sun/moon choices that came a few quests back but didn't seem to go anywhere will affect the players time in the duveri paradox whenever it drops.
Only time will tell. It would be fantastic if it did tho...
There is also the choice of how to do ship tileset sabotage that comes up in the tutorial, do you do it quick and dirty by blowing up the reactor (and killing everybody on board) or do you wait couple minutes for the coolant to freeze the reactor and not blow up the ship?
@@darkolli i do like the sound of that but systems like that are going to be very background things that at best would be tied to some lore.
Unless of course it's tied into the focus/void abilities in some way. For example chosing dark side morality would give a particular void ability related to that and a different one for the light side while chosing the middle road would have a weaker version that combined the two.
I dont see DE doing anything that fantastic and complex.
Do i need to start on how disappointed i am at kuva leaches? I played middle-earth and that is no where close to the nemesis system... its just another endless farm, the interaction is not organic at all...
Damn i am so salty at how they did it -.-'
So much potential (T . T)
Hmm, factionalized tennos and civil war via Conclaive. Seems like the foundation for a refreshed PvP...
I've only had to worry about two choices most of the time because I can never seem to find/spawn those lore fountain rooms on the new tilesets XD
Well, at least you're saving people... I grabbed some of the lore... I'M SORRY I FEEL TERRIBLE!
Try running seargant or hyena, usually they spawn in those roomd
@@TheDsIEGE Im getting shamed by DE for wanting to complete 100%... 😭
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@@TheDsIEGE run in a squad
all 4 people can pick up the crown that drops, but missions very rarely spawn 4 rescue-able solaris. Most of the time you can free everyone and still have one person get their lore or open a void- just rotate who gets to do it every time, and you're set
@@TheDsIEGE I grabbed all the lore and farmed enough granum void for protea and all the weapons. Which was about another 25 crowns. 38 people I could've saved. Geez, the one thing that makes me not hate myself is the separation of reality and the game, they arent real people so their arent any real consequences for my actions.
A person is their memories in my opinion. If you lose your memories your no longer you. Your memories are your "soul". What comprises who you are and how you act
Dsiege: You have to choose
Me who doesn’t have any crowns:
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those treasurers are too wily for me to take down in the first place
Yooo this is awesome, keep up the FIRE
Can't wait for what the Duviri Paradox will bring
Thank you! We got a long way to go til then, but... there's always new stuff to dig into!
@@TheDsIEGE hell yeah
@@johnmivule-novabow8143 nope,you're not getting the paradox any time soon, but the heart of deimos might have interesting lore !
@@valentin4761 heck yeah
First off, thank you for being one of the few people recognizing "lore" and information as a valid reward. That's how games used to be...we played because we wanted to "beat" the game, sure...but once games started to involve more story, we played because we wanted to know what happens. These days, TH-cam and reddit make it so playing for info isn't necessary. But at some point, I want to have enough crowns for the tenet fragments. Anyways...
Awesome emphasis on the moral dilemma here, I think about it on the Corpus ships as well. I think it was a phenomenal decision on DE's part to work Fortuna and the Solaris into the Corpus ships. As well as granting Solaris standing for freeing the prisoners, it's a great way to connect basic missions with the greater world they've created. People hate the islands of content, and this creates great connective tissue. Granted, longtime veterans aren't as concerned with the standing reward (on my PS4 account, I can kinda concur), but I just finished Deadlock Protocol on my Switch account, and I'm only rank 2 or 3 of 5 there, so freeing prisoners with any Crowns I pick up will be my priority.
Kuva Siphon missions on Corpus Ships are great for getting Zenith Crowns, I'm finding, overlapping rewards is where it's at. I need to get a squad of folks to run those with me sometime, get some Kuva, get a Crown, head into the void.
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Thank you!! I just hope you enjoy the video, that's what's important.
@mrgerminaro well at least it isn't my lich, "Pulin Riburto"
Wtf is with that name lol
FINALLY someone is addressing the moral decision of not saving a Solaris
I can't not think about it on a corpus ship now...
@@TheDsIEGE having the option to tell a Solaris something like "I can't liberate you right now" would really help in my opinion
Solaris:Help,HELP
Tenno:Sorry i can't save you right now,do you want to be saved later?
It would be strange
As of right now there is no consequence one way or the other, just a reward or standing. If you remember those crossfire missions were you had to do three of them for one side or the other you could only choose one side to get a prize from while the other side or keep track and possibly send out assassins after you.
At least fortunately, losing arms, heads, and legs aren't fatal to rig jockies. But they do collect more debt replacing those limbs.
So much as we know... See I was thinking about the fact that... if they take everything, isn't it possible some of the ones that can't pay the debt just get incinerated or if nothing else, "removed off the books"? I feel like we're only seeing the "lucky" ones in fortuna...
@@TheDsIEGE That would just be brain shelving, wouldn't it? The ones incapable of getting the debt paid off/can't afford new limbs.
The quest and post quest explains that the ones trapped on the ships are sent to granum void eventually. So there are two options, take xoris and free solaris or turn your crowns into credits (using Crown at the tenet shrine provides credits once you own all 11.).
Tickers debt bond entry's explain that the corpus claim limbs till they have none left. Including the head. The mind is worked in the proxy system to earn their way back out, but you earn less then you rack up in nefs part of the corpus. Tickers boy friend (ticker is confirmed gay in the codex entry's) is one of the unlucky souls to lose even their head. Ticker worked to buy back his boy friends mind, but once ticker got him back, he wasn't himself anymore, being in that proxy network of other minds had made him no longer himself.
So don't waste your crown saving one solaris, save a group. Eventually you save those guys you saw locked up. Your only saving a fraction of the solaris taken either way. Not all research is on granum void.
I thought it was that Ticker was a trans lady
Ha, so ticker is gay? He always had some of the most peculiar and interesting things to say which I appreciate when I looked deeper into what was actually being said. If you would take them on the surface value it’s easy to dismiss what he is saying though.
ticker is referred to with she/her pronouns, therefore, she's presumably a lesbian, and somewhat implied to be trans.
I love how Siege treats pixels on a electronic screen like a living soul XD
They do have souls!!!
It's the point of immersing yourself in universe, i thoroughly enjoy treating every decision in an game with gravity others wouldn't give it
That's what being invested in a story does to you. I remember balling my eyes out playing Ace Combat 5 when Chopper dies.
They are more alive than some of us to an extent so i understand him completely
@@Raso719 Oh, one of the most emotional moment...
One thing a Hero should always know is, you can't save everyone.
But you can save as many as you can
in my defence for saving almost no one: i have bad hearing
This has the potential to be a new kind of Rescue mission.
There's people to save, sorry i was moving to fast didn't notice them
Ma boi gauss goes blind in complete absurd speed
Vlad in saturn six wolf story night wave
he not kill the wolf friends to lead him vlad trap
the mind controls on saturn six wolf head but back fire
sorry my grammer
in a nutshell DoomGuy with a sledgehammer saves his comrades and lures Alad Pimp
@@TimothyMark7 true
Wait y'all did not farm/kill the wolf either. I thought of him as a Robin hood kind of character. He was talking out big bosses around the solar system. Seems like an ok guy to me.
@@conspark9946 I farm him for the hammer the saturn wolf alert event also the mask for my tenno
@@d9507 oof. I see
Great content! I hope Warframe's official channels highlight this.
I really wish this was brought to the forefront in the game. Can you imagine one day you jump into Solaris, and the inhabitants are begging you, angry at you for deliberately choosing not to save people while the Biz and Eudico try to justify your actions "for the greater good"
It would be incredible. I wonder if DE ever thought it to that point...
@@TheDsIEGE I would certainly hope so. I can imagine some Solaris turning against you if your standing is not high enough.
bro you got me thinking back to the "in my time of need" quest in skyrim, these decisions are tough
I think some people are playing Warframe too much. I dont see prisoners i see useless standing.
LastSight this made me laugh out loud...
So many times this situation made me feel somewhat guilty, walking by a prisoner, hearing them turn so hopeful at the sight of me, and not having _anything_ to help them.
As for the question of how much can you replace...
There is a line from one of the residents of Fortuna...
"At first I felt like I was losing who I am. But after all this time I understand that who I really am is the only thing I didn't lose".
In order to conveniently solve that morale dilemma, there would need to be two new mission types: a crown heist where the players ambush a place where granum crowns are stored and an endless type rescue mission. The devs should have been so fair to give players the option to mercy kill the prisoners that can't be saved.
The way I tackled it is pretty straight forward. I got everything I needed from the void. The void no longer has significant use for me so anymore coins I get randomly will go to prisoners that I happen across, not that I'll go out of my way to find them if I'm just running though XD.
I've been saving the the locked guys when I come across them...but only when accidentally find them. I want the lore, but I keep have to spend crowns.
Since we treating these ones and zeros, I have two question:
1. How many crewmen joined up to, just to avoid becoming like those in Fortuna, and not because they're evil?
2.How many crewmen (who were like the guy from the glassmaker nightwave) have we killed and how many people ended up worse off in the short term because of us?
Good questions...
i choose the granum void because then I can rescue more people per coin
This is imo the embodiment of the heros dilema "do you choose to die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain" you can't save everyone and eventualy the weight of having to choose who lives and who dies, it corrupts you, twists you into something you never thought you'd be. The real question, is how long can you go, how long can you fight against all odds, how long can you go saving 1 for every 5, how long till you stop saving them? How long, until you become the villain?
This is subtle way to tell us, the players, to do those missions in a squad. Everybody gets to pick up the coin the treasurer drops, and more people can be saved with those coins
I don’t usually play corpus ship missions but when I do, I use my granum coins to save the Solaris prisoners.
yeah, this is was steve was refering to while talking about choosing "greed" or the other thing (i cant remember the proper word)... of course the players would straigh up ignore the prisoners, farm the granum void until its dry and then worry about lore or prisoners. in short, the idea is awesome as well as the execution but it kinda lacks the feeling that all 3 possible reward are equally necessary at the same time. still a good mechanic if you think about it.
The Doc Holiday turn of phrase was very fitting.. every victory has a price and you can imagine the toll such a choice would take on a person... Got to wonder what would happen if the level complete screen had a listing of those you let perish.
You have to remember these characters are given depth out of someone's own thoughts, they are a reflection of there makers humanity. The deeper the person the deeper the character.
I'm glad I found your channel, I really enjoy listening to you while I pay games. You have a soothing voice and I like the topics you choose. Keep it up I think you deserve many more subs!
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoy it! I usually do a video a week, so... expect one in the next few days!
"Justice flows from the muzzle of a gun. Sack up."
the way you said "what is it gonna be hero?" reminded me of a dnd story I saw a while back called "how a simple street thug killed a god". if anyone knows the story they would know what I mean. I won't spoil it, it's a good read.
This can be negated by going in with a full squad as you have the ability to save all onboard and still come out with a coin spare as everyone gets one from the tresurer but void and freeing only takes from one person. We all lift together, not we all lift alone in solo mode.
i don't know how many people feel the same way but the only thing stopping me from reaching max rank with solaris is knowing that i'll have to see a severed head in a robots chest every time i go to fortuna.
Well... They say ignorance is bliss, right? lol
If you go to options and toggle the creator mode, you can keep the solaris in pre-rank 5 rep states.
You forget theres 4 of us and everyone grabs their own instance of the coin. But I think the prisoners freed with coin dont give everyone the standing, so nothing changed.
You never have a right choice to do with the crowns everything you do with the crowns is a right choice
Another thing is that if parvos Granum was leader of the corpus again the corpus would be less greedy cause in the quest parvos despised nef his own son for greediness so parvos leading the corpus could be better for them but worse for us
The major difference between Parvos and the rest of the corpus is the concept of charity. Parvos says that he believes being charitable is beneficial in the long run, but in fortuna Ticker even says that Nef Anyo despises charitable individuals.
To ascribe 'guilt' to being unable to save everyone, is to think more of yourself than you are. Save who you can; you hold the power to help by some twist of fate.
A true monster saves no-one, yet spends the crowns all the same.
Also going in as a squad means four crowns, so you can actually save everyone usually.
This is why we all lift together. The answer you are seeking has literally been in your ears the whole time. A team of four tenno can get 4 individual crowns per treasurer/mission. I've never seen more than 2 shackled prisoners per mission. The team can only enter the gran void once per mission. I'm fairly certain that everyone can be theoretically saved per mission. Of course, only one greedy tenno gets the lore tablet/progress if they use their token on the statue...
As someone who consistantly plays games for the "good endings" first, this drives me up the fucking wall. I feel so much rage at how I cant save them. Its not even a question of choosing between the void, the prisoner, and the lore. You will NEVER have enough coins to save them. It's like the Mass Effect ending. Your choice doesnt matter.
Siege - have you seen the HoD leaked images (looks like 5 glyphs w/ accompanying text) (I won't describe them or say anymore - you can find on reddit if your interested). Anyhow - lets just say - there is potential Jungian fodder in the far left and far right images descriptions - and maybe some in your face yen/yang stuff if you look at it hard enough. Maybe potential for a speculation video if you can pop it out before tennocon.
The games that gave me the most feels is LISA, The first Nier, and The Cat Lady.
As for Warframe we kill so many people I kinda don't care about what happens to some random dude.
I love all the times that even as high and mighty as the tenno proclaim themselves to be, the tenno have still done some really bad things
I'll point out that on a couple of missions I've searched the entire generated map and found only the golden hands but no prisoners or lore stations.
I didn't even notice them crying out for help on the ship and justgrinded for the tokens
Best Warframe lore channel out there. Dare i say, OP!? Stick to it, they need folks like you.
Thank you... This year's gonna be a big one!
and just remember that sometimes you have to full on explode the entire ship
killing every solaris inside
I didn't even know about those prisoners I only thought they were in the granum void
Dude really started to sound like an anime villian near the end,lol
Thank you for putting it into words!
I'm not sure how much I trust Parvos, though.
Basically this is the "you open a door and two gets closed", as you have to carry the decision you made in the ship. But I don't think the Tenno are the heroes that everyone thinks they are. Yes, they prevented really bad things to happen, but they're also part of what made these bad things to appear in one way or another. And because of this, I think the story won't have a happy ending, or at least not a truly satisfying one.
Sorry, I started rambling a bit. Good video!
O.o talk about deep... I never got into the granum lore yet but i feel like this is some deep thinking X.x
Im kinda glad we as humans haven't gotten to this serious of a type of reality >.
7:03 What about if all of your crowns were farmed from squads(like in my case, or in some people that I know), and Solaris *did* get rescued? That means that there was always something about the Solaris down in the chopping blocks.
You run with a squad of 4, one trip to the void, and 3 prisoners rescued.
Also, my head canon is still that the Tenno are the villains.
When looking at the debts you can by from ticker in Fortuna it tells you what will happen to them if they can’t pay
It's a rare occasion but sometimes there aren't any prisoners stuck in the ship. Only in the void. Makes the choice real easy.
Whenever I hear a prisoner, I try to free them. It hurts when I have no crowns to help them.
Never thought of that as much of a choice. I usually use it to save the random people because I just don't care about the granum void all that much.
Also worth noting that I've not regularly seen treasurers, prisoners, or otherwise, as not a guarantee any or all of them will spawn.
After the first few missions in the new tileset, my brother and I spent a few days just doing railjack missions in the veil proxima. Fighting the grineer and sentients at least made sense
So many times they asked for my help and all I could do was apologise for I physically could not free them
It's why I think like a robot in certain situations. I think in Objectives, not in Morality. I go in with a purpose already in mind, and I complete that Objective and move on to the next, or bug out if I'm able. I only care about information I should know, and need to know, in order to complete said Objectives as efficiently as possible.
This aint me, but I do know it is fairly reasonable to save everyone:
If you play with a full team, you pull four coins from a mission. That lets you do the void, and open up three shackles. Usually, there's not even three shackled. Which means, over time, you can expand a profit, and get the lore, or build a stockpile.
We are mercenaries, we just go wherever there's a mixture of money and trouble, and everyone in the galaxy is a potential customer. As always there are customers we serve, and customers we service.
At least that's my oath.
2:24 the kills dont increase, the only increase is in the levels, not amount of kills, the kills only increase if there r multiple players in the squad
Also, whenever there is a lich territory on the corpus ships, the solaris dont spawn, so could the grineer be "saving" them for their own interests? With the invasions and litches i cant see why they wouldnt regularly take control of their ships
tbh i feel as though the lesson here with the choice between saving the Solaris member in the void or in the ships is that you can't save everyone at once because if you save the one on the ship the other stays in the void and vice versa
So, interesting thing is that, if you haven't actually started the quest, the prisoners and treasurer still spawn...but the treasurer doesn't actually drop a crown. There is no crown to pick up from the treasurer's corpse, so he's literally a random red marker you can kill any time you do a mission in that tile set, but unless you've started the quest, he never drops anything when he dies. You also consequently have no way of freeing the prisoners you come across if you haven't started the quest, either.
Btw I just checked. The captured ones count into the daily standing cap, because god forbid us getting an extra 300 standing
VERY NICELY SAID. And interesting video yet again! It's like you're taking up the roll of StallordD and being the best Warframe lore TH-camr and catch all kinds of nice subtle details!
Btw one thing that I really like about this update, is that it is actually quite a political one.
I found out when listening to the Lore of Parvos: it's basically a criticism of capitalism. The story is basically Parvos creating capitalism within a feudalist empire. It is literally the same story as how capitalism is created. And how capitalism is supposed to work. But if you think about his philosophy than you'll realize that the Corpus becoming what they are now: just like the feudalist Orokin, was inevitable. Which is like a nice criticism on the libertarian mentality as well. They criticize our current form of capitalism for not being as it was intended and some even claim that we aren't even living under capitalism at all. But just like the Corpus, capitalism becoming what it is now, is inevitable. Lastly there is the part where Parvos mentioned that teh Corpus should either be violently restructured or abandoned completely. Which is a way to show us that he kinda has accepted that it was inevitable that the Corpus would become the way it is now.
A video on the full tenets of Parvos is on the way! I've seen his philosophy in another very prominent video game... gonna match the two up... Btw, thank you for the kind words. If StallordD is the historian, I'm the crazy conspiracy theory homeless dude always yelling at everyone to repent, lol!
@@TheDsIEGE well that title suits DkDiamantes way better hahah
"What is your desire"
Corpus support against the sentients
In my defense I just discovered the trapped Solaris in the ships..... my blind ass jumped all around and never found those were a thing.
i just find it funny that Steves "greed mechanic" turned out to be the granum crown crap.
Well the thing is, there is another thing you can or more precisely cannot do. If you haven't completed the Deadlock protocol yet, you can't pick up coins, you can't get lore, enter granum void nor help them. While I've been running missions without coins and means to get them, I just had no choice but to leave them there. I was powerless to help them. That was the worst feeling.
The fact that he doesn't tell us anything that porvis says in the lore option makes it worse because you have to figure it out yourself. And because of the butterfly effect if you choose the lore option then the prisoners die.
Too many times I’ve come across prisoners before doing the quest, so I couldn’t free them. I just stood by one for five minutes wondering if there was another way to free them, we’re Warframes for crying out loud!
Fortuna Worker: You'll save me right?
Tenno: I'm sorry little one.....
*Uses coin on shrine instead*
(uses a coin on an oversized vending machine instead)
Sadly, due to the Granum Void farm, I've got more coins than I rightly know what to do with and every one I spend is replaced by another treasurer appearing before me so I never have to worry about the moral implications leaving a solaris crewman on board a ship I'm sabotaging to blow up.
It is possible to have multiple crowns and still saved all the solaris you encountered. There is only one Solaris per map, and the treasure drops a crown for each tenno. That means only one tenno has to save the solaris, everyone else walks with their crown
Yeah as soon as I saw a prisoner I knew what was up.
But you must remember, the Tenno are mercenaries, we fight for a reward. Those Solaris better hope they're the ones that get sent to the Void.
How dare you drop a video whilst I'm asleep 😂 great work as always Siege, keep at it ✌
Hey thank you! I just wanted to get it out there, but I'm glad you got a chance to check it out. Btw... the dojo looks straight fire!
The worst thing about this for me is that I feel DE might not expand on the fate of the people we save (or leave behind) at all. They have left so many unanswered questions for years (remember that Chroma we had to chase and scan? how does our Warframe move during 2nd dream despite not having an operator yet? you name it) and I feel this might be another one to add to the ever growing pile. It's sad.
From the moment I realized I can free them I did only that ... but now still have a bad feeling on those I needed to leave behind ...
I’m no hero, I’m a demon in a metal vessel, no right to get help and no obligation to help
Erm, these treasurers respawn on defense tile sets. So, after sticking around for about eight or so rounds will at least net you more than one crown. Just rinse and repeat till you have enough crowns to accomplish all objectives. Been doing this while grinding baro currency. Interception tile sets work too. Also, to counter TheDsIEGE a bit here, there isn't any golden hands or prisoners spawning on these missions anyways, so you can save the crowns for later tile sets that actually has the captures Fortuna prisoners, golden hands, etc. Yeah, it takes a little grinding, but everything takes a little grinding in warframe anyways.