Well how bout the auto industry they been killing thousand for many years through bad design and yet everybody still gets in turns the key, crank the radio up..and don't say a word 🤔
The new ceo is making the right decisions. I feel he is turning this huge ship and BA will thrive again. It will not be rapid but this will recover like GE did
It will be an interesting study (for future MBA/Business 'gurus') seeing how long it takes to rebuild a 'trust-based' relationship between management and employees once this has been so badly damaged. And then if the company will ever be able to re-assert the presence it once held within the industry. It must be a hard time for all Boeing employees - wondering.
Boeing needs to restart the 777x certification ASAP after the new thrust linkage installed. Clearly they went through and figured something out as it has been months.
Another month without MAX deliveries, thus no income for it. Not to mention the mounting delays for their customers, again. Boeing's scary end, or endless Boeing scare? What is it?
Boeing once had a passion for building Aircraft and a love of Aviation that goes way way back to William Boeing. I do hope they get back to the once great Company it was
@@PaulVerhoeven2 There were two crashes. Just two. And the door plug was not bolted in. Certainly that is not the FAA's responsibility. And it is not the direct fault of Boeing management. I mean, which mechanic forgets to bolt in a part?
@@jaym8257there should be a QA process in place that ensures a forgotten bolt gets detected. Mistakes happen but with proper quality assurance you’ll find those mistakes and they don’t matter. And that is the responsibility of the management. And the responsibility of the FAA to monitor the situation.
The trust was justified when there were people there who put their reputation ahead of profit. Once they started chasing dollars instead of excellence then the FAA should have increased oversight instead of going off the past.
So in the case of the Lion Air Max crash, where a THIRD WORLD Jakarta based airline with a terrible safety record, used a non approved AOT sensor, failed to calibrate it properly, didn't tell the pilots, and returned this damaged aircraft to service in Indonesia, how exactly would the bureaucrats at the FAA have prevented this?
I fear Boeing has yet to learn that quality must be the only concern, not the freaking stupid delivery schedule. I believe the governments FAA must stay on site and not give their job to the internal FAA and that is sympathetic to the stupid pressure of the delivery schedule.
Most of Boeings woes are self inflicted , which maybe the beginning of the end as we know it for the company ! It will not go out of business, but the Government will step in as it is “To Big to Fail “ .
The damage done to reputation is by far larger than any financial loss. Thus, Boeing must concede terrain to Airbus, which has already done in the hard way, and start solidifying good business practices to come back.
“Could not increase the rates so they needed to he capped” - makes sense only in conjunction with”we here at FAA has shorted Boeing stock so until our shorts are covered yoy are fked”. The same applies to the union bosses striking and blackmailing for 40% increases while their company is losing money.
Seems to me that there is a vacuum that can be filled by Embraer as well as Airbus, as Airbus has already been enjoying a thriving increase in business as of late.
Boeing could have a real problem on their hands with the current layoffs. That will release workers who would have to move to Airbus to continue in their chosen career. While that may be good for Airbus, if Boeing wants to expand again, those trained workers will no longer be available to hire. Boeing used to offer 6 commercial aircraft ranges, which is pretty much covering what the market needs. If they keep shrinking, they could struggle to manage even the three that they are left with. Some would argue that they already are.
It's not the FAA that is dragging their feet, and politics should stay out of it. Leave it to the regulator to ensure safety. The entire Max debacle was possible because the FAA didn't give enough oversight.
@@jungbolosse3034 They should be effective, I agree. And they should not act under political pressure from either side. When Boeing is ready to get along with their business, then let them get along with it. They should not be an obstacle.
@ I could be mistaken but I’m old enough to remember the 737-200/300/400, etc. That airframe is quite old. I suspect a Google search could provide the answer as who has sold more units, 737 or A320 series
@@jameskeys971 the last time I checked all the 737 series the total was over 10,000 wheras the A320/21 series was over 12,000 including current orders but could depend on the sources
I think Boing need to come up with a new design and shelve the ill 737 ! Get their s…t together and start again. They have to get confidence back first! I’m not going to fly on the 737! No ways!
Boeing must focus only on the future. Get the 797 program the funding needed. Show the FAA that the 737 production line is back to old Boeing standards. And fix the 777X engine mounting issues immediately. I believe Boeing has lost the excellent team of engineers they used to have. They need to add retired experts to the "fixing" effort.
Since 2009 Boeing has spent an estimated 60 billion dollars on stock buybacks and dividend enhancements in order to enrich management and short term traders. This money should have been used to enhance and develop new product. The investor class has installed an Accountant CEO whose only job is to raise the stock price and cut costs. The board of Directors is also stacked with people who know nothing about how to run an aerospace company. You can blame DEI all you want. It’s EXACTLY what these vultures want you to believe. It’s classic misdirection.
I don’t think is a good idea for Boeing to restart the 737-MAX as this make or break them completely and I don’t think if the 737-MAX is going to Survive in 2025 as many changes will be in place if these could save Boeing or replace it…. The Boeing 737 MAX is one of the main factors on why Boeing’s reputation is completely tarnished as they needed to rebuild again or they’ll end up in a even worse situation which could be bankruptcy or worse. They would have to make a sacrifice if they have give up the 737MAX and make a new plane ((New Midsize Plane (NMA)) AKA: The Boeing 797) or restart production of making a better 757 or anything else to save Boeing or getting replace by a better carrier like Lockheed Martin (Formerly known as Lockheed Cooperation).
Boeing has become the best example of how not to run a big business
Best? That is one from a lot of examples.
Well how bout the auto industry they been killing thousand for many years through bad design and yet everybody still gets in turns the key, crank the radio up..and don't say a word 🤔
The new ceo is making the right decisions. I feel he is turning this huge ship and BA will thrive again. It will not be rapid but this will recover like GE did
It will be an interesting study (for future MBA/Business 'gurus') seeing how long it takes to rebuild a 'trust-based' relationship between management and employees once this has been so badly damaged. And then if the company will ever be able to re-assert the presence it once held within the industry. It must be a hard time for all Boeing employees - wondering.
What the engineers say might be true or not, but I can prove that we can save a penny if we don't do it the engineers way.
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It’s not so much trust between employees and management but trust and confidence with its customers!
As we know the production cap has little effect in Boeing in their current state - If they were even meeting that I think they would be happy.
True, the current cap is a bit like a speed limit in a traffic jam!
@neilpickup237 Haha! This is a flawless analogy!
I agree, healthy competition is a good thing.
Healthy competition breeds health corruption, what about unhealthy corruption and death of passengers ?
I must have missed what the major news was - seems like the same thing - they have their work cut out for them
Boeing needs to restart the 777x certification ASAP after the new thrust linkage installed. Clearly they went through and figured something out as it has been months.
Boeing needs to stop making newer planes and bring back the 757, 727, and the 777 300.
@@Perich29so does airbus.
@@Perich29that makes no sense whatsoever.
@@nickolliver3021 that makes no sense whatsoever. But not surprising coming from you
@@jungbolosse3034 yes it does make sense but no surprise as you lot don't accept truth
Another month without MAX deliveries, thus no income for it.
Not to mention the mounting delays for their customers, again.
Boeing's scary end, or endless Boeing scare? What is it?
They did deliver the max in both October and November.
Miniscule numbers, but they did deliver them to customers!!
Spreading out deliveries while not producing is not really helpful.
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They are more concerned with the stock price than the product or safety. Boeing used bailout money for stock buybacks.
Boeing once had a passion for building Aircraft and a love of Aviation that goes way way back to William Boeing. I do hope they get back to the once great Company it was
Surely it's how they built planes previously that got them into the mess they find themselves in.
There is no 'h' in resume, therefore its REsume, period.
The FAA messed big time also.. no consequences for them?
There is a new sheriff in town. I have already written one of my senators who sits on the commerce and transportation committee to ask your question.
Government never punishes itself.
Besides, the MAX crashes were not Boeing’s or FAA’s fault, just misallocation of responsibility.
@@PaulVerhoeven2 There were two crashes. Just two. And the door plug was not bolted in. Certainly that is not the FAA's responsibility. And it is not the direct fault of Boeing management. I mean, which mechanic forgets to bolt in a part?
@@jaym8257there should be a QA process in place that ensures a forgotten bolt gets detected. Mistakes happen but with proper quality assurance you’ll find those mistakes and they don’t matter. And that is the responsibility of the management. And the responsibility of the FAA to monitor the situation.
The trust was justified when there were people there who put their reputation ahead of profit. Once they started chasing dollars instead of excellence then the FAA should have increased oversight instead of going off the past.
Like the auto industry?
So in the case of the Lion Air Max crash, where a THIRD WORLD Jakarta based airline with a terrible safety record, used a non approved AOT sensor, failed to calibrate it properly, didn't tell the pilots, and returned this damaged aircraft to service in Indonesia, how exactly would the bureaucrats at the FAA have prevented this?
But also Airbus have complained that the paperwork for accreditation with EASA has grown more and more.
Easa are crooks look how fast the 321xlr came out.. there's your next disaster waiting to happen
@@AndrewLarson-mq7xcfast?! It actually took pretty long considering the changes compared to the standard A321.
I fear Boeing has yet to learn that quality must be the only concern, not the freaking stupid delivery schedule. I believe the governments FAA must stay on site and not give their job to the internal FAA and that is sympathetic to the stupid pressure of the delivery schedule.
Boeing has back off delivery schedule by 70%
Very happy for the most popular Boeing
Most of Boeings woes are self inflicted , which maybe the beginning of the end as we know it for the company ! It will not go out of business, but the Government will step in as it is “To Big to Fail “ .
Too
Awesome
The damage done to reputation is by far larger than any financial loss. Thus, Boeing must concede terrain to Airbus, which has already done in the hard way, and start solidifying good business practices to come back.
Go Airbus ❤
Every day "Major news from Boeing!"
How does that work?
What is it - workshop foreman gets splinter in finger?
Until boeing gets full production authorization from the FAA they have to layoff employees.
omfg FINALLY
“Could not increase the rates so they needed to he capped” - makes sense only in conjunction with”we here at FAA has shorted Boeing stock so until our shorts are covered yoy are fked”.
The same applies to the union bosses striking and blackmailing for 40% increases while their company is losing money.
Seems to me that there is a vacuum that can be filled by Embraer as well as Airbus, as Airbus has already been enjoying a thriving increase in business as of late.
Boeing could have a real problem on their hands with the current layoffs.
That will release workers who would have to move to Airbus to continue in their chosen career.
While that may be good for Airbus, if Boeing wants to expand again, those trained workers will no longer be available to hire.
Boeing used to offer 6 commercial aircraft ranges, which is pretty much covering what the market needs.
If they keep shrinking, they could struggle to manage even the three that they are left with. Some would argue that they already are.
Airbus is doing layoffs as well.
@BPiperDude In the space and defence division.
If the layoffs mostly involve DEI employees, Boeing will produce a better product.
@@theresacaron4238 And what led you to that conclusion?
major news, more like SOS
I've written my senator to make sure the FAA does not drag their feet on certification.
The FAA must be totally independent and free of pressure from anyone specially youtubers nobodies.
It's not the FAA that is dragging their feet, and politics should stay out of it. Leave it to the regulator to ensure safety. The entire Max debacle was possible because the FAA didn't give enough oversight.
@@jungbolosse3034 They should be effective, I agree. And they should not act under political pressure from either side. When Boeing is ready to get along with their business, then let them get along with it. They should not be an obstacle.
@@Hans-gb4mv It should be insured they are not dragging their feet. I look forward to congressional oversight.
@@jaym8257 you want to put pressure over your congress to put pressure over the FAA, hence you are part of the problem.
So they are laying of 17k people but are also severely behind…
Yes, it really helps to fire thousands of employes in order to speed up the production and develope new tech.
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I agree, kind of counter intuitive.
Like they have any other choice after the strike and 40% salary increases damaged them further while they already were down after covid etc.
And
@@PaulVerhoeven2yet they have enough money to pay their CEO five times the salary the Airbus CEO is getting…
I wish Boeing and Airbus only had to make large planes. Narrow bodies just aren't comfortable to ride on.
Thanks Dj!!
Yeah,but for how long.
Well, they’ve dumped DEI so quality should return quickly.
Quickly? It's aviation, capable and experienced mechanics and engineers aren't growing on trees each year. It takes years to get back on track.
@@craigbeatty8565 what even is dei and what is bad about it?
T think that the issues with the fuel tank of the A320 XLR were more a counter-action of the FAA, as Boeing has nothing comparable.
It was the EASA, not the FAA.
@@jacobzimmermann59 The FAA requested EASA to investigate the danger more thoroughly, AFAIK.
I recently did 4 trips in the back end of those 737 max planes. I hate those planes! They jam us in like, well, berries in a jam jar.
The airline decides how far apart the seats are, not Boeing.
Most popular single aisle...I dont think so
Over the life of the 737 airframe was what he meant I believe.
@@jameskeys971 Hasn't the A320 surpassed that?
@ I could be mistaken but I’m old enough to remember the 737-200/300/400, etc. That airframe is quite old. I suspect a Google search could provide the answer as who has sold more units, 737 or A320 series
@@jameskeys971 the last time I checked all the 737 series the total was over 10,000 wheras the A320/21 series was over 12,000 including current orders but could depend on the sources
Just produce the Ford model T for long enough and people will recommend buying it, as it is the most popular car model by far.
Yeah ....
Most popular! The only reason it's selling is Airbus can't build A320 Neos fast enough to meet demand.
Yes!
I don't know why any airline would order Boeing planes anymore.
Lots of them still would
@ yeah, unfortunately.
@Singthad unfortunately. Lol
@@nickolliver3021 yup
@Singthad why unfortunately
A sick and tyred company that has forgotten what it does..
I think Boing need to come up with a new design and shelve the ill 737 ! Get their s…t together and start again. They have to get confidence back first! I’m not going to fly on the 737! No ways!
Boeing must focus only on the future. Get the 797 program the funding needed. Show the FAA that the 737 production line is back to old Boeing standards. And fix the 777X engine mounting issues immediately. I believe Boeing has lost the excellent team of engineers they used to have. They need to add retired experts to the "fixing" effort.
Have they sacked all the DEI hires?
Since 2009 Boeing has spent an estimated 60 billion dollars on stock buybacks and dividend enhancements in order to enrich management and short term traders. This money should have been used to enhance and develop new product.
The investor class has installed an Accountant CEO whose only job is to raise the stock price and cut costs. The board of Directors is also stacked with people who know nothing about how to run an aerospace company.
You can blame DEI all you want. It’s EXACTLY what these vultures want you to believe. It’s classic misdirection.
Pretty sure they did not.
A lot of good people have retired over 2020, but junk who should not be there in the first place clings.
They're working on it
The FAA is not well known for competence. I am starting to wonder if Boeing is being strangled by FAA incompetence?
I don’t think is a good idea for Boeing to restart the 737-MAX as this make or break them completely and I don’t think if the 737-MAX is going to Survive in 2025 as many changes will be in place if these could save Boeing or replace it…. The Boeing 737 MAX is one of the main factors on why Boeing’s reputation is completely tarnished as they needed to rebuild again or they’ll end up in a even worse situation which could be bankruptcy or worse. They would have to make a sacrifice if they have give up the 737MAX and make a new plane ((New Midsize Plane (NMA)) AKA: The Boeing 797) or restart production of making a better 757 or anything else to save Boeing or getting replace by a better carrier like Lockheed Martin (Formerly known as Lockheed Cooperation).
Comac now looks reliable than Boeing!
Don't place trust on Chinese product.
@pramitghosh6234 Better than Boeing, just how Huawei is better than Motorola.
can we bet about the potential date of the B777-9 certification? 2026?????
Certification is late 2025.
Think it will tip into 2027 there will no doubt be some more problems over the next 12 months.