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1) do you have a link to your sticks? Maybe something you make money off of too ;) 2) I would LOVE to know your button setup with those sticks. EDIT: 3) Love the vid btw
I appreciate that you use the aurora in this demonstration. It REALLY shows the depth and control that can be enjoyed with the very basic ship and shows that you don't have to buy a more expensive ship to have an amazing experience.
The Aurora is actually a pretty good ship. Okay, not "pretty" but that's in the eye of the beholder. Anyway, the Aurora will take you where you want to go reliably, and is an annoying opponent, thanks to her small size as a target. And if you want to get a more dedicated fighter, they are only a couple hundered grand, that you can easily make WITH the Aurora. No one NEEDS top spend more money than the initial 50 or so bucks to play and enjoy Star Citizen. Also the community is always more than willing to show, or share the bigger ships, because more people means more fun.
You can do anything you want to in the game with an aurora or mustang starter pack, outside of the specialized things like ship mining, salvage, etc... I've even seen people take on ERT bounties in an aurora with the right loadout (though that will be almost impossible in 3.14, of course). When a friend of mine decided 5 years after backing the game to finally install it and try it out a couple months ago he was super unimpressed with the Aurora and I kept telling him to stick with it and not to toss a bunch of $$ into the game on a different ship. 30 minutes later he had a constellation, lol.
Aurora is a solid ship. I finally installed SC after years of waiting and watching (and being totally disappointed by ED Odyssey...) and got the most basic Aurora package. 2 weeks of occasional gaming later I have > 1Mil credits from the Xeno threat event and am now considering what ship to buy next. It's super fun to fly circles around bigger ships in this thing and just keep strafing away.
Do you still use duel sticks for ground combat(out of the ship)? I saw the mouse and keyboard next to the sticks, so is it switching back and forth from mouse to keyboard when doing mission out of a ship?
@@blackmamba___ That's what I do, you could get creative and desk mount your sticks and use the kb/mouse on your desk. Some mounts slide, so you can find something that works for you.
@@1Triton Thanks for the reply, that really clears it up for me as I wasn’t sure how I would do running around and shooting with duel sticks. Makes perfect sense for space flight. Glad to know the duel sticks are more of an addition.
Pretty much the same here. The biggest difference seems to me to be the absence of pinky finger control, which is critical in decoupled flight. The stick twist doesn't seem the same to me
The way you fly really allows you to feel the ship. I would love to see you review other ships doing the same maneuvers and getting your first experience with them on cam.
I for one would like to see a full key bind map for your setup. Anyone can always use that as a starting point and tweak as they see fit. Also, a friend had almost convinced me that I didn't need a second Virpil, and then I see your video. Such great sticks!
Just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to show how you do what you do! It's great to see how other people apply their controls to maneuver their ships around.
Amazing! This is the exact video I was looking for. Two joysticks from Virpil playing in star citizen. I was already sold but I’m happy to have found this in depth video you have provided. Thank you.
was searching for a dual stick setup for playing games and found your video, along with some info from others it really solidified me into buying the virpil thank you very much
Thanks for the display and use of the teall display. Spent a couple of hours last night setting one up for my Hotas setup for Ursa driving for the Daymar Rally. Really interesting. Have to work out getting square dots instead of the round ones. Well done and grea video on your flying technique and setup!
I think this is by far the best demonstration and explanation of HOSAS flight, seeing your widgets was a great addition to showing what your doing with inputs. Its definately helped me decide on trying the HOSAS setup as I'm currently on a HOTAS with a Virpil Constellation with a Saitek X55 throttle. I've been considering getting the Virpil Throttle but have been very curious of the HOSAS setup and if I'm spending the money on a second Virpil, I don't want to buy one just to later switch to the other. I'm not going to get a cheaper stick to try the HOSAS setup and then will make my mind on which second Virpil product to buy. Once again... great video!
Also, the screenwipes technique of transition is excellent, and will always be my favorite. It's always reminded me of Star Wars and how screenwipe transitions were big in the George Lucas films. And motion in shots, Star Wars and Akira Kurosawa shout outs as well! Love it.
Dual stick pilot here. It's an amazing feeling I actually fly with my roll being on the Twist axis, and my yaw being on the X (left/Right) Axis for my right stick. Clockwise Twist rolls the ship left. I am imagining as if I had the joystick in my hand, and just straightened my elbow and held it at my side, so the top of the joystick is pointing forward Then my Vertical Trust is on the twist axis for my Left Hand. My left hand twisting clock-wise is "thrust-up", because in my head it makes sense as a mirror of the right hand rule used for Vector multiplication. I grew up on flight sims, so it was an awkward transitions at first, It actually makes it easier to track targets when in 6DOF combat, since you don't NEED to bank before turning, and you have MUCH more accuracy in your X/Y axis on your joystick than you do on your twist axis
I love seeing what you can do with an Aurora! Would totally want to meet up ingame and let you fly some of the other ships just to see what's happening.
A wonderful video! I feel as though this should be the second stage of learning decoupled. I got the logic in space quickly where it can be useful for combat, but did not quite realize that it is so "hover" based in atmo. Can't wait to try it! Nice work with the widgets and your setup. It is worth pointing out that Virpil is not "the" only answer; you can achieve this with VKB just as well, or with a right-hand Winwing with a twist module. And arguably on the left stick Thrustmaster does a good enough job since the centre-detent is not an issue (even an advantage for thruster separation). Worth pointing it all out so you don't sound like a commercial! Unless you have to? ;)
nice, was enjoying the previous videos of you testing out the racing around PO, now seeing the setup its even cooler to watch the smooth racing, hope one day to encounter you in the verse and maybe even fly the 350r as a nice race xD
FINALLY someone who has roll on the left-right axis of the right stick, I think most people are setting yaw there and it might even be the default in Star Citizen, which is so wrong
Thanks young man for this video. I’ll be starting SC this week so I’m trying to do my homework on joysticks and other things I’ll need to play and be effective
Thanks for this video. I'm a Hotas pilot and I have been debating dual sticks but could not wrap my mind around configuring the left stick. Thanks for breaking down how you configured it. Great video
Thank you so much. This blew my mind and made me buy those sticks. I am sooo looking forward to enjoying a premium space helicopter experience. Love and light 2u. 😸😇
I have two VKB Gladiator NXT's (both premium). I personally enjoy my pitch being the Y axis, yaw being the X axis and Roll being the Z axis. For my left stick, Doing a right Z axis turn pushes the ship up, and the left Z axis turn pushes it down. X and Y operate for thrust too. The trigger is for boosting on the left stick.
I used to have my right stick mapped that way, but I decided pretty early on to swap roll and yaw. I did this because, while it's not as intuitive, it gives me better precision for aiming with fixed weapons. The left stick I have mapped the same way but, because my sticks don't have analog pinky levers, I have the twist axis on the left stick for vertical strafing.
Nice rig you have there!! I use the Thrustmaster Warthog stick and throttle and I love them. Solid steel is the way to go. I also use a VKB T-Rudder MKIV which is also all steel construction. I round it all off with the Obutto tubular steel cockpit. Star Citizen is such a dream to fly when you are in the proper seating position. Get a good cockpit, mine is designed for sim racing, but works excellent with flight sims also. It also has a mouse and keyboard mount that can sit above your lap making it easy to switch back and forth between air and ground controls.
Thanks for this! Really appreciate it. Just waiting on my virpil dual sticks to arrive (although I also got peddles due to wrist problems not allowing me to use twist)
I've had the TM Warthog stick/throttle for a few years now (with Monstertech mounts), lately been thinking about changing to HOSAS. About a week ago your video "CIG IS SITTING ON A GOLDEN NUGGET - The Star Citizen Flight Experience" found its way to my news feed. Strange as I don't think I've ever seen your vids before and yet I've been into SC since 2013 lol. Noticed how knowledgeable and awesome you are at flying in SC so I checked out this video. Liked, subbed, and just now ordered 2x Alpha's, 2x WarBRD base, and try out the Z-Extension. Great friendly voice and really well put together interesting videos about SC, proper superb!
These smooth maneuvers are lovely, thanks for sharing your setup. I've got the Warthog and I'm wondering how its throttle would get along with a 2nd stick.
really nice flying! great setup as well.. those Virpil sticks are a bit out of my price range, but I'm definitely considering the VKB Gladiator dual sticks.. hopefully I can achieve the same precision
I create and export binding for Star Citizen. I support Dual Alphas, Dual T-16's, FCS HOTAS and Virpil HOTAS with an Alpha and CM3 Throttle. I also work with Subliminal to support the VKB Gladiator NXT's. My Axis setup is a little different. I have pitch and yaw on the right stick with roll on the Z axis. I find this helps with precision aiming of fixed weapons. My Lateral movement is on the left stick with twist being the vertical thrust (collective). I use the pinky on the left as an analog space brake and the pink on the right is my mining laser throttle.
I've been using your bindings since 3.10 for my T16k's and have enjoyed each iteration sinice as I learned Star Citizen. I've already rebuilt these sticks once and now the left twist is jittery at rest/idle. So, I just ordered a set of the Alphas for Virpl's black Friday sale and can't wait to get them in. Definitely checking out your bindings, although roll as x-axis is a hard habit to break.
Eyo, It's SierraOneOneSeven from the verse! It was really exciting running into you and I'm looking forward to flying with you with my HoTaS/Pedals and see how the HotaS/Pedals stacks up against the dual-stick.
thats gorgeous. atm i used dual t16000 but def going to look into getting these when i move. the space allocation in my current apartment is used to its full capacity... maybe i should throw out my bed to make room
Nice, I use a TM Warthog myself and have the "left stick" mapped to the 2 hats on the back of the throttle. Might have to try out dual sticks though for the coolness factor.
So cool! Thank you for showing this. I've been wanting to do dual stick for a while and this video just sent me over the top. I'm definitely going to do a dual Virpil setup. Would love to know where you got the attachments for your chair.
I have a right hand alpha and v2 throttle, my left hand alpha and rudder pedal set just shipped yesterday after a 1 week waiting period. I HAD been using a t16k for left stick, so I had to order another base plate for my monstertech desk mounts. A little galling to pay $41 shipping for a $38.5 item, but it is what it is. I'm excited, in 2 weeks or so I'll have my setup! Also, the pit landings are more difficult when you have a ship that barely fits in the hole they want you to park in. Carrack, C2, Cat, are a little more difficult. IMO CIG screwed the pooch on hangars by not either doing it like ED with a landing pad that takes your ship down, or by simply having all hangars being huge like they were back when the hangar modules first released. Use all overly large hangars and you'll likely never have to redo them. Use smaller hangars and the likelihood of having to rework them is much higher.
Thank you so much for this video, enjoyed it a lot. I think this is the best demonstration of flight controls I have seen so far. Now I'll have to figure out how to configure my gamepad for decoupled flight ;) I guess I'll just get rid of weapon triggers for the benefit of two more axis :D I don't like shooting things anyways.
I really like the quality of your videos. I was hoping to see more details about the kit accompanying your constellations. I find it very confusing which base goes with the sticks and which accessories support the bases on the chair etc... I know this is about Star CItizen and not a Vipril buying guide but if anybody has any relevant input, it is much appreciated.
I am in the same boat haha. I am looking at gettig 2 sticks but so confused about what bases to get. I am thinking the Mongoose T-50CM2. But I also want mouse and keyboard next to the sticks like his but not on a chair. Idk if monstertech is worth it and it's hard to find info about this.
About to order my VPC alphas tomorrow with the Z-adapter What seems natural to me is Right Stick: X-Axis roll Y-Axis pitch Z-Axis strafe Left Stick X-Axis yaw Y-Axis thrust Z-Axis vertical thrust With the Z adapter twisting up will make you vertically move up. All of your strafing movements are bound to Z-Axis. Yaw on left stick X-Axis has always been my go to in battlefield and Elite on Xbox controllers and it just seems natural for it to carry over. Having it on a twist movement when you have so many joystick axis seems counter intuitive and seeing it mapped that way in game confirms my personal bias haha. Really can’t wait to get this mounted on my chair and get my hands on it.
Chair and control setup costs more than my entire computer. Pretty sweet. That is some very impressive smooth movement considering your thruster and speed limiter are maxed out.
Personally i use a HOTAS : T16000 + WCS and Rudder. Using the little joystick on the WCS for translations up/down and right/left, rudder for yaw, and T16 for pitch/roll, z axis used when on foot or in EVA mode for yaw, rudder 2nd function used for walk and run forward/backward.
Time to also get : Haptic feedback VR gloves to access the panels with your hands instead of with the joysticks or mouse + keyboard. VR Headset Hydraulic Seat that Adjust to the best of it's ability to match what's happening in the game. Fans that blow air depending on how fast you go. (Mostly to help with motionsickness, but also to "feel" the speed) Pedals for more Thrust and rotation control. If I had money I'd go so far as to create a PC Room/ Arcade. Where you bring your own headset and joysticks. To use the facilities hydraulic cockpit. Instead of PC's or arcades. It's cockpits. Just gotta make sure the customers do some rudimentary cleaning, and make sure employees sanitize and clean the chair and armrests.
Recommend to switch your X and Z axes. Setting X-axis to yaw will greatly improved your shooting accuracy if you ever get into bounty hunting. I don't do much myself but when I did I saw so much improvement.
I wish there was a combat mode and a flight mode that we could switch to on the fly. I fly a *lot* better and can perform maneuvers much smoothly with z-rotation as yaw and x-axis rotate.
@@DJHeroMasta you can do this with the third party program joystick gremlin, but that adds another level of complexity on top of the basic SC keybinds…
It's definitely not the case that everyone has the right stick set up that way - I know a bunch of people, myself included, have yaw on the X-axis rather than roll, usually with roll on the twist axis in that case. Coming from atmospheric flight sims it took a while to get used to, but now I find it much easier to point my crosshair by essentially moving it up, down, left or right with the pitch/yaw joystick, and out in space roll is much less important so having it on a less easy axis isn't a problem. Interesting video and beautiful flying, though, thanks! I really should practice in decoupled mode more.
HOLY COW!!! amazing piloting! wish i could do 1/4 of what you are even doing!!! Have a thrustmaster t16000 hotas dont know if my finger muscles is able to do it... simply amazing
I just wanted to say a big thank you for explaining this at such detail. I've been contemplating on what setup to get for SC and was torn between many things: was I going to stick with with mouse and keyboard (having clocked many hours of Arma with that setup got me pretty decent at flying heli's with WASD+arrow keys) or was I going for a HOTAS (which makes sense to me with previous games I played with that classic setup) or was I going for a controller (having played console games on a regular basis for over 2 decades) or going for HOSAS (which makes the most sense when I look at space sims) whereas I always lacked an axis when I tried to visualize that setup, but seeing how you've bound it to that brake lever it just hit me! Still will probably go for a controller in the meantime (since I have those lying around) or going for a HOTAS (which I have somewhere, but it clutters up my desk, so I only install it when I know I can play multiple session within a short period of time), but this HOSAS and especially with the Virpils has been added to my wishlist! A man can dream :P Once again, thanks for this detailed dive into your setup
@@BlackMaze I will! Waiting on the mounts and Assembly kit this week. Not sure why monstertech decided to ship those parts separate but I’m definitely excited :)
I have no idea who you are. I found this video on my recs and I'm not disappointed. At least not disappointed about the video but maybe by the fact that I don't own a pair of these sticks! I play SC fully on an xbox controller; flying, driving and even boots on the ground. Yes, I'm that guy... Nevertheless this is actually the first time I started thinking about buying a pair. If you got some sort of link to a market place that gives you profit when used (or an order code) let me know, you've earned it (: This was a great video!
I have the dual Alphas as well, but I have vertical on one of the z-axis. Your configuration seems smoother. I wonder if the scroll wheel could somehow be programmed to increase/decrease vertical thrust? Then you could adjust to the right level and leave it.
Some things I think the game needs, especially after watching this... Something in between coupled and decoupled mode that can be used in gravity wells that lets the ship operate as if it is in decoupled mode, but automatically applies enough thrust to keep you from falling... that would be neat An autopilot mode to maintain pitch that can be used near planets so you can feel comfortable leaving you chair while flying near a planet knowing you won't be slowly changing angle or anything. I'd love to get a virpil setup but I'm kind of torn... Twin stick does seem optimal but I also really like HOTAS for things other than SC and E:D etc. I know some people have done dual stick plus a throttle, but that gets pretty expensive and possibly unwieldy to set up depending on your gaming space.
Maybe give an "Engineer" mode for those tech heads who like to tweak the ships to get full control and manage it exactly the way they want. If anyone else were to steal it and fly it they would probably crash because they wouldn't understand what is going on. This would allow pilots to personalize exactly how the ship flies for THEIR needs.
Ive been using a cheapie set of dual logitech 3d pro joysticks for Star Citizen for a long time, they work pretty well, though not as robust as your sticks.
You videos got me very interested in Star Citizen. One question: have you thought about getting pedals with braking function on each pedal, like the MFG Crosswinds? I'm using them for yaw in helicopter sims and it's beyond amazing. Other than the regular yaw you could use the brake function on each pedal for the up and down motion. Whats you opinion about this?
I know this video is a year old but I've REALLY been wanting a good flight stick setup for my new PC build and for Star Citizen and other flying games but this review has definitely made me wanna pull the trigger on these bad boys so thank you so much for your awesome review!!! I can't help but notice those don't look like the 'virpil mounts' and I've been racking my brain trying to figure out which mounts you're using for the sticks, keypad and your chair cause that's the most I've been struggling with to find xD
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@BlackMaze - I don't want to make any extra work for you, but I'd love to see your button setup!
1) do you have a link to your sticks? Maybe something you make money off of too ;) 2) I would LOVE to know your button setup with those sticks. EDIT: 3) Love the vid btw
what half keyboard are you using?
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This made me laugh way more than it should have! 😃
I appreciate that you use the aurora in this demonstration. It REALLY shows the depth and control that can be enjoyed with the very basic ship and shows that you don't have to buy a more expensive ship to have an amazing experience.
The Aurora is actually a pretty good ship. Okay, not "pretty" but that's in the eye of the beholder. Anyway, the Aurora will take you where you want to go reliably, and is an annoying opponent, thanks to her small size as a target. And if you want to get a more dedicated fighter, they are only a couple hundered grand, that you can easily make WITH the Aurora.
No one NEEDS top spend more money than the initial 50 or so bucks to play and enjoy Star Citizen.
Also the community is always more than willing to show, or share the bigger ships, because more people means more fun.
@@kenzoryba1017 exactly!
You can do anything you want to in the game with an aurora or mustang starter pack, outside of the specialized things like ship mining, salvage, etc... I've even seen people take on ERT bounties in an aurora with the right loadout (though that will be almost impossible in 3.14, of course).
When a friend of mine decided 5 years after backing the game to finally install it and try it out a couple months ago he was super unimpressed with the Aurora and I kept telling him to stick with it and not to toss a bunch of $$ into the game on a different ship. 30 minutes later he had a constellation, lol.
agree, no need to put in additional $$ in the game unless you really want to. most ships can be bought in game, you can grind for it. i did.
Aurora is a solid ship. I finally installed SC after years of waiting and watching (and being totally disappointed by ED Odyssey...) and got the most basic Aurora package. 2 weeks of occasional gaming later I have > 1Mil credits from the Xeno threat event and am now considering what ship to buy next. It's super fun to fly circles around bigger ships in this thing and just keep strafing away.
DUDE yes, i've been waiting for a video like this! Everyone is flying dual sticks but hardly anyone wants to talk about how to set it up.
Have a look at BuzZzKiller
He has up to date Control Profiles for common Joysticks and Starcitizen to download ;)
People avoid talking about it from fear of looking dumb. This shit is complicated, lol I'm amazed mine works! This video is invaluable.
Do you still use duel sticks for ground combat(out of the ship)? I saw the mouse and keyboard next to the sticks, so is it switching back and forth from mouse to keyboard when doing mission out of a ship?
@@blackmamba___ That's what I do, you could get creative and desk mount your sticks and use the kb/mouse on your desk. Some mounts slide, so you can find something that works for you.
@@1Triton Thanks for the reply, that really clears it up for me as I wasn’t sure how I would do running around and shooting with duel sticks. Makes perfect sense for space flight. Glad to know the duel sticks are more of an addition.
Holy... and I just got my 16000m Thrustmaster. Gotta convince the wife this upgrade is necessary. That looks sick!
Pretty much the same here. The biggest difference seems to me to be the absence of pinky finger control, which is critical in decoupled flight. The stick twist doesn't seem the same to me
Since you have such a refined view of how the ships feel with this setup, I would love reviews on the flight characteristics of them all.
I like that idea!
seconded!
The way you fly really allows you to feel the ship. I would love to see you review other ships doing the same maneuvers and getting your first experience with them on cam.
I for one would like to see a full key bind map for your setup. Anyone can always use that as a starting point and tweak as they see fit. Also, a friend had almost convinced me that I didn't need a second Virpil, and then I see your video. Such great sticks!
Definitely agree it would be nice to see
Yes this is what we need
Just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to show how you do what you do! It's great to see how other people apply their controls to maneuver their ships around.
Amazing! This is the exact video I was looking for. Two joysticks from Virpil playing in star citizen. I was already sold but I’m happy to have found this in depth video you have provided. Thank you.
Nice setup I always think I don't need sticks till I see videos like this.
was searching for a dual stick setup for playing games and found your video, along with some info from others it really solidified me into buying the virpil thank you very much
Hands down one of the best explanation videos. I'm excited to get myself some joysticks and give this a whirl!
Wow if I ever get sticks, this will be high on my list of potential buys. Really smoothe, thanks for the vid!
Beautiful music selection. You're flying is mesmerizing to watch.
Thanks for the display and use of the teall display. Spent a couple of hours last night setting one up for my Hotas setup for Ursa driving for the Daymar Rally. Really interesting. Have to work out getting square dots instead of the round ones. Well done and grea video on your flying technique and setup!
I think this is by far the best demonstration and explanation of HOSAS flight, seeing your widgets was a great addition to showing what your doing with inputs. Its definately helped me decide on trying the HOSAS setup as I'm currently on a HOTAS with a Virpil Constellation with a Saitek X55 throttle. I've been considering getting the Virpil Throttle but have been very curious of the HOSAS setup and if I'm spending the money on a second Virpil, I don't want to buy one just to later switch to the other. I'm not going to get a cheaper stick to try the HOSAS setup and then will make my mind on which second Virpil product to buy. Once again... great video!
Also, the screenwipes technique of transition is excellent, and will always be my favorite. It's always reminded me of Star Wars and how screenwipe transitions were big in the George Lucas films. And motion in shots, Star Wars and Akira Kurosawa shout outs as well! Love it.
I love all your videos on Star Citizen. It has made me want to play it!
Amazing video on your setup. I can see also how much you enjoy flying.
Dual stick pilot here. It's an amazing feeling
I actually fly with my roll being on the Twist axis, and my yaw being on the X (left/Right) Axis for my right stick. Clockwise Twist rolls the ship left. I am imagining as if I had the joystick in my hand, and just straightened my elbow and held it at my side, so the top of the joystick is pointing forward
Then my Vertical Trust is on the twist axis for my Left Hand.
My left hand twisting clock-wise is "thrust-up", because in my head it makes sense as a mirror of the right hand rule used for Vector multiplication.
I grew up on flight sims, so it was an awkward transitions at first, It actually makes it easier to track targets when in 6DOF combat, since you don't NEED to bank before turning, and you have MUCH more accuracy in your X/Y axis on your joystick than you do on your twist axis
Your pilot skills are my Life Goals; beautiful work Sir!
I love seeing what you can do with an Aurora! Would totally want to meet up ingame and let you fly some of the other ships just to see what's happening.
After watching you ace an Aurora, I’m excited to see how well you can control a more powerful ship like a Medium fighter class.
A wonderful video! I feel as though this should be the second stage of learning decoupled. I got the logic in space quickly where it can be useful for combat, but did not quite realize that it is so "hover" based in atmo. Can't wait to try it!
Nice work with the widgets and your setup. It is worth pointing out that Virpil is not "the" only answer; you can achieve this with VKB just as well, or with a right-hand Winwing with a twist module. And arguably on the left stick Thrustmaster does a good enough job since the centre-detent is not an issue (even an advantage for thruster separation). Worth pointing it all out so you don't sound like a commercial! Unless you have to? ;)
nice, was enjoying the previous videos of you testing out the racing around PO, now seeing the setup its even cooler to watch the smooth racing, hope one day to encounter you in the verse and maybe even fly the 350r as a nice race xD
FINALLY someone who has roll on the left-right axis of the right stick, I think most people are setting yaw there and it might even be the default in Star Citizen, which is so wrong
Thanks young man for this video. I’ll be starting SC this week so I’m trying to do my homework on joysticks and other things I’ll need to play and be effective
Thanks for this video. I'm a Hotas pilot and I have been debating dual sticks but could not wrap my mind around configuring the left stick. Thanks for breaking down how you configured it. Great video
Most welcome!
I love how you video is on 21:9 aspect reatio! My ultrawide monitor feels so loved when he actually can play videos full screen! 💕
Thank you so much. This blew my mind and made me buy those sticks. I am sooo looking forward to enjoying a premium space helicopter experience. Love and light 2u. 😸😇
So this is how you pull off those clean Aurora landings :) Great vid dude.
What a fantastic demonstration! This video may have cost me a lot of money, because I think I need this in my life! Subscribed!
Great vid! I would love to see a software tutorial on customizing the sticks.
I have two VKB Gladiator NXT's (both premium). I personally enjoy my pitch being the Y axis, yaw being the X axis and Roll being the Z axis. For my left stick, Doing a right Z axis turn pushes the ship up, and the left Z axis turn pushes it down. X and Y operate for thrust too. The trigger is for boosting on the left stick.
It was super interesting, very smooth (your voice, and the controls).
Wonderful elegant flying
I used to have my right stick mapped that way, but I decided pretty early on to swap roll and yaw. I did this because, while it's not as intuitive, it gives me better precision for aiming with fixed weapons. The left stick I have mapped the same way but, because my sticks don't have analog pinky levers, I have the twist axis on the left stick for vertical strafing.
Maze you fly so well and smooth!
Rrrr!
Nice rig you have there!! I use the Thrustmaster Warthog stick and throttle and I love them. Solid steel is the way to go. I also use a VKB T-Rudder MKIV which is also all steel construction. I round it all off with the Obutto tubular steel cockpit. Star Citizen is such a dream to fly when you are in the proper seating position. Get a good cockpit, mine is designed for sim racing, but works excellent with flight sims also. It also has a mouse and keyboard mount that can sit above your lap making it easy to switch back and forth between air and ground controls.
Thanks for this! Really appreciate it. Just waiting on my virpil dual sticks to arrive (although I also got peddles due to wrist problems not allowing me to use twist)
I've had the TM Warthog stick/throttle for a few years now (with Monstertech mounts), lately been thinking about changing to HOSAS. About a week ago your video "CIG IS SITTING ON A GOLDEN NUGGET - The Star Citizen Flight Experience" found its way to my news feed. Strange as I don't think I've ever seen your vids before and yet I've been into SC since 2013 lol. Noticed how knowledgeable and awesome you are at flying in SC so I checked out this video. Liked, subbed, and just now ordered 2x Alpha's, 2x WarBRD base, and try out the Z-Extension.
Great friendly voice and really well put together interesting videos about SC, proper superb!
Thanks a lot Tommy! That’s awesome. I hope you enjoy the Virpils! If you join our XGR Discord there are lots of people to talk to and get help from’
Lovely flying, lovely shots :)
Well I know what I'm upgrading to when my 2xT16000m setup finally kicks the bucket. Those Virpil sticks look incredible.
These smooth maneuvers are lovely, thanks for sharing your setup. I've got the Warthog and I'm wondering how its throttle would get along with a 2nd stick.
really nice flying! great setup as well.. those Virpil sticks are a bit out of my price range, but I'm definitely considering the VKB Gladiator dual sticks.. hopefully I can achieve the same precision
You sir...are a hero amongst men.
Amazing content.
Amazing game.
I create and export binding for Star Citizen. I support Dual Alphas, Dual T-16's, FCS HOTAS and Virpil HOTAS with an Alpha and CM3 Throttle. I also work with Subliminal to support the VKB Gladiator NXT's.
My Axis setup is a little different. I have pitch and yaw on the right stick with roll on the Z axis. I find this helps with precision aiming of fixed weapons. My Lateral movement is on the left stick with twist being the vertical thrust (collective). I use the pinky on the left as an analog space brake and the pink on the right is my mining laser throttle.
I've been using your bindings since 3.10 for my T16k's and have enjoyed each iteration sinice as I learned Star Citizen. I've already rebuilt these sticks once and now the left twist is jittery at rest/idle. So, I just ordered a set of the Alphas for Virpl's black Friday sale and can't wait to get them in. Definitely checking out your bindings, although roll as x-axis is a hard habit to break.
@@malcolmlee5499 Its pretty easy to change the bindings if you don't like something.
@@BuzZzKiller yep, I think you even had a toggle roll/yaw on the dual T16k. I run fixed weapons, so I should practice with yaw on x-axis.
Eyo, It's SierraOneOneSeven from the verse! It was really exciting running into you and I'm looking forward to flying with you with my HoTaS/Pedals and see how the HotaS/Pedals stacks up against the dual-stick.
Wow! .. wish one day I can fly as smooth as you! 👏🏿👏🏿
My Virpil Alphas are coming in on Thursday! I'm so excited! 😊
Congrats!!!!
enjoy them man they are some of the best sticks on the market
thats gorgeous. atm i used dual t16000 but def going to look into getting these when i move. the space allocation in my current apartment is used to its full capacity... maybe i should throw out my bed to make room
I'm using the same! Plus Logitech pedals, amazing control!
@@SirSpoof254 im def getting pedals next, the more stat citizens flight and combat improves the more excited i get to fly lol
I might need to sell my NXT Gladiators for these, those additional analog inputs are so nice!
Nice, I use a TM Warthog myself and have the "left stick" mapped to the 2 hats on the back of the throttle. Might have to try out dual sticks though for the coolness factor.
I would love to see your buttons setup. Maybe you could even share your stick setup files somewhere?
So cool! Thank you for showing this. I've been wanting to do dual stick for a while and this video just sent me over the top. I'm definitely going to do a dual Virpil setup. Would love to know where you got the attachments for your chair.
Monstertech
I have a right hand alpha and v2 throttle, my left hand alpha and rudder pedal set just shipped yesterday after a 1 week waiting period. I HAD been using a t16k for left stick, so I had to order another base plate for my monstertech desk mounts. A little galling to pay $41 shipping for a $38.5 item, but it is what it is. I'm excited, in 2 weeks or so I'll have my setup!
Also, the pit landings are more difficult when you have a ship that barely fits in the hole they want you to park in. Carrack, C2, Cat, are a little more difficult. IMO CIG screwed the pooch on hangars by not either doing it like ED with a landing pad that takes your ship down, or by simply having all hangars being huge like they were back when the hangar modules first released. Use all overly large hangars and you'll likely never have to redo them. Use smaller hangars and the likelihood of having to rework them is much higher.
This is the very one video that will make me buy dual stick for this amazing space sim ;)
Thank you so much for this video, enjoyed it a lot. I think this is the best demonstration of flight controls I have seen so far. Now I'll have to figure out how to configure my gamepad for decoupled flight ;) I guess I'll just get rid of weapon triggers for the benefit of two more axis :D I don't like shooting things anyways.
I really like the quality of your videos. I was hoping to see more details about the kit accompanying your constellations. I find it very confusing which base goes with the sticks and which accessories support the bases on the chair etc... I know this is about Star CItizen and not a Vipril buying guide but if anybody has any relevant input, it is much appreciated.
I am in the same boat haha. I am looking at gettig 2 sticks but so confused about what bases to get. I am thinking the Mongoose T-50CM2. But I also want mouse and keyboard next to the sticks like his but not on a chair. Idk if monstertech is worth it and it's hard to find info about this.
About to order my VPC alphas tomorrow with the Z-adapter
What seems natural to me is
Right Stick:
X-Axis roll
Y-Axis pitch
Z-Axis strafe
Left Stick
X-Axis yaw
Y-Axis thrust
Z-Axis vertical thrust
With the Z adapter twisting up will make you vertically move up. All of your strafing movements are bound to Z-Axis. Yaw on left stick X-Axis has always been my go to in battlefield and Elite on Xbox controllers and it just seems natural for it to carry over. Having it on a twist movement when you have so many joystick axis seems counter intuitive and seeing it mapped that way in game confirms my personal bias haha. Really can’t wait to get this mounted on my chair and get my hands on it.
Chair and control setup costs more than my entire computer. Pretty sweet.
That is some very impressive smooth movement considering your thruster and speed limiter are maxed out.
I can't believe I am considering flight sticks now. Dammit, this was beautiful.
Virpil Sticks are really awesome !
@BlackMaze - I bet you're going to be a really good pvp pilot in SC.
I would love to see some in game bounty hunting footage from you
Personally i use a HOTAS : T16000 + WCS and Rudder.
Using the little joystick on the WCS for translations up/down and right/left, rudder for yaw, and T16 for pitch/roll, z axis used when on foot or in EVA mode for yaw, rudder 2nd function used for walk and run forward/backward.
Time to also get :
Haptic feedback VR gloves to access the panels with your hands instead of with the joysticks or mouse + keyboard.
VR Headset
Hydraulic Seat that Adjust to the best of it's ability to match what's happening in the game.
Fans that blow air depending on how fast you go. (Mostly to help with motionsickness, but also to "feel" the speed)
Pedals for more Thrust and rotation control.
If I had money I'd go so far as to create a PC Room/ Arcade. Where you bring your own headset and joysticks. To use the facilities hydraulic cockpit.
Instead of PC's or arcades. It's cockpits.
Just gotta make sure the customers do some rudimentary cleaning, and make sure employees sanitize and clean the chair and armrests.
Get the smell thing they have on that ride in Disneyland that makes it smell like tees and stuff when you 'fly' over a forest hahaha
Recommend to switch your X and Z axes. Setting X-axis to yaw will greatly improved your shooting accuracy if you ever get into bounty hunting. I don't do much myself but when I did I saw so much improvement.
I wish there was a combat mode and a flight mode that we could switch to on the fly. I fly a *lot* better and can perform maneuvers much smoothly with z-rotation as yaw and x-axis rotate.
@@DJHeroMasta you can do this with the third party program joystick gremlin, but that adds another level of complexity on top of the basic SC keybinds…
This a great video on control setup and work flow. Thanks for sharing. :)
It's definitely not the case that everyone has the right stick set up that way - I know a bunch of people, myself included, have yaw on the X-axis rather than roll, usually with roll on the twist axis in that case. Coming from atmospheric flight sims it took a while to get used to, but now I find it much easier to point my crosshair by essentially moving it up, down, left or right with the pitch/yaw joystick, and out in space roll is much less important so having it on a less easy axis isn't a problem. Interesting video and beautiful flying, though, thanks! I really should practice in decoupled mode more.
Nice flight demo.
HOLY COW!!! amazing piloting! wish i could do 1/4 of what you are even doing!!! Have a thrustmaster t16000 hotas dont know if my finger muscles is able to do it... simply amazing
Love your compare vids. This one made me sub though. Great stuff and jealous of your virpils.
very cool flying
I'd love to see more details of your controller setup... please!
Great Vid dude, Thank you very much! I Learned a great deal.
Hey, awesome vid, you deserve so many more subs, thanks for sharing
I just wanted to say a big thank you for explaining this at such detail. I've been contemplating on what setup to get for SC and was torn between many things: was I going to stick with with mouse and keyboard (having clocked many hours of Arma with that setup got me pretty decent at flying heli's with WASD+arrow keys) or was I going for a HOTAS (which makes sense to me with previous games I played with that classic setup) or was I going for a controller (having played console games on a regular basis for over 2 decades) or going for HOSAS (which makes the most sense when I look at space sims) whereas I always lacked an axis when I tried to visualize that setup, but seeing how you've bound it to that brake lever it just hit me!
Still will probably go for a controller in the meantime (since I have those lying around) or going for a HOTAS (which I have somewhere, but it clutters up my desk, so I only install it when I know I can play multiple session within a short period of time), but this HOSAS and especially with the Virpils has been added to my wishlist! A man can dream :P
Once again, thanks for this detailed dive into your setup
Great video - subbed. Thanks for your time.
I used to use a very similar setup with ED flying in VR, with two logitech sticks.
Dude your video finally pushed me over the edge to purchase the virpil setup. Are you able to create a guide for setting them up for SC?
Just saw this video.. impressive control
Here’s a tip, landing gear down or raised affects the controls when the gravity assist is on or off.
Just in time. I just received my blackbird chair and dual virpil alpha :)
Congratulations!!! Enjoy them!
@@BlackMaze I will! Waiting on the mounts and Assembly kit this week. Not sure why monstertech decided to ship those parts separate but I’m definitely excited :)
Awesome video, keep em up
I have no idea who you are. I found this video on my recs and I'm not disappointed. At least not disappointed about the video but maybe by the fact that I don't own a pair of these sticks! I play SC fully on an xbox controller; flying, driving and even boots on the ground. Yes, I'm that guy... Nevertheless this is actually the first time I started thinking about buying a pair. If you got some sort of link to a market place that gives you profit when used (or an order code) let me know, you've earned it (: This was a great video!
Would love to see your actual individual button binds :)
Great video!
Lately I have the doubt as to how the new radar mechanics could be integrated into these sticks...
This is the way.
Best joysticks for space flight, period.
I have the dual Alphas as well, but I have vertical on one of the z-axis. Your configuration seems smoother. I wonder if the scroll wheel could somehow be programmed to increase/decrease vertical thrust? Then you could adjust to the right level and leave it.
Hey Great Video again, yea a video about your button setup would be great. I really appreciate your videos
Excellent! I needed this
Awesome video! The detail and commentary is really great.
Which gamepad are you using alongside the sticks?
Super cool! I'd actually like to see a video on your button set up!
I have it up!
@@BlackMaze sweet! Checking it out now 😁
Some things I think the game needs, especially after watching this...
Something in between coupled and decoupled mode that can be used in gravity wells that lets the ship operate as if it is in decoupled mode, but automatically applies enough thrust to keep you from falling... that would be neat
An autopilot mode to maintain pitch that can be used near planets so you can feel comfortable leaving you chair while flying near a planet knowing you won't be slowly changing angle or anything.
I'd love to get a virpil setup but I'm kind of torn... Twin stick does seem optimal but I also really like HOTAS for things other than SC and E:D etc. I know some people have done dual stick plus a throttle, but that gets pretty expensive and possibly unwieldy to set up depending on your gaming space.
Maybe give an "Engineer" mode for those tech heads who like to tweak the ships to get full control and manage it exactly the way they want. If anyone else were to steal it and fly it they would probably crash because they wouldn't understand what is going on. This would allow pilots to personalize exactly how the ship flies for THEIR needs.
twin conny alphas, very nice, what i myself use, plus pedals for yaw and the throttle for the big ships where twin stick doesn't make sense.
Ive been using a cheapie set of dual logitech 3d pro joysticks for Star Citizen for a long time, they work pretty well, though not as robust as your sticks.
You videos got me very interested in Star Citizen. One question: have you thought about getting pedals with braking function on each pedal, like the MFG Crosswinds? I'm using them for yaw in helicopter sims and it's beyond amazing. Other than the regular yaw you could use the brake function on each pedal for the up and down motion. Whats you opinion about this?
I know this video is a year old but I've REALLY been wanting a good flight stick setup for my new PC build and for Star Citizen and other flying games but this review has definitely made me wanna pull the trigger on these bad boys so thank you so much for your awesome review!!! I can't help but notice those don't look like the 'virpil mounts' and I've been racking my brain trying to figure out which mounts you're using for the sticks, keypad and your chair cause that's the most I've been struggling with to find xD
You’re very welcome! I am using chair mounts by Monstertech attached to the Virpil WarBRD bases.
The keypad is just a cheap Chinese knock off. Any will do!
The chair I do not recommend. It’s not great!
@@BlackMaze Thanks so much!! I'll have to check it out later for sure!
Thanks for the video! I just discovered Star Citizen. It looks almost as good as GPolice :D
Have 2 NXT that are just waiting to be bound up to fly with but needed that push to actually do it. Think this vid did the trick :)