Cummins vs Duramax vs Power Stroke: All New 2020 HD Trucks Tow 30,000 lbs Up The Ike Gauntlet
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Super video.... I like raw move better than others. Andrew - Spasiba !!! , Mr. Truck - Thank You :)
Pro towing gauge package was a very good idea. 👍
Shut up
Both clowns are clueless. Can't tell an upshift from a downshift ¿ cmon guys showing ur ignorance to knowledge
The ram doesnt have more grunt down low. 1000lbft is less than 1050lbft. All three diesels have the peak torque @1600rpm. The ford is the fastest because the torque is what is doing the work and it has more torque from 1600 to 2800. Which all three trucks hp ratings are @ 2800. The reason the GM with less peak torque beats the Ram(910 VS 1000) it's the gearing advantage. At the hp ratings the ford has the most leverage
475hp@2800 = 890lbft
445hp@2800 = 835lbft
400hp@2800 = 750lbft
Now the reason people feel that the Ram has the most torque, is called torque rise. It's the fact that torque is doing the work. As the rpms fall the ram has a larger difference in torque(ability to do the work) so it keeps pulling "harder". What most people(almost all people) fail to understand is what hp actually is. It's just a rating of how fast work gets done. NOT HOW MUCH!!!! All three trucks did the same work 30k trailer, bit the slowest was the lowest Rated HP truck(just like 90% of the tests in the past) the strength is in the torque, and the torque is the limitation on how much work can be done. The torque can be manipulated, not the hp. That's why the GM in First gear has 445hp at 2800 and 14400lbft@1600(910lbft x 4.64:1 x 3.42:1 =14400lbft) but not 7061hp at 2800 in first. Hp is a rating and torque is the force doing the work.
The simple way to explain this is here
3.5EB
450hp@5000=451lbft
6.7 powerstroke(2018-19)
450hp@2800=844lbft
8.9L Cummins ISX 9
450hp@2200=1074lbft
12.7L Detroit Series 60
450hp@1900=1243lbft
14.8L Cummins ISX15
450hp@1600=1477lbft
All 5 engines are rated the same power but on their own at their rated power(without gear manipulation) they all could do the same amount of work just at sized loads(ISX15 would be 3.27 time heavier than the 3.5EB) and vise-versain order for the EB to move the load the cummins does it would need a 3.27:1 gear reduction box before the transmission, hp doesnt change with gearing because it's a CALCULATION.
My volvo D13 is rated 500hp@1700rpm/1850lbft@11-1350 but the torque band is where all the work is done
Volvo D13
1850lbft@1100=387hp
1850lbft@1200=422hp
1850lbft@1300=457hp
1850lbft@1350=475hp
1800lbft@1400=479hp
1750lbft@1500=499hp
1650lbft@1600=502hp
1550lbft@1700=501hp
1400lbft@1800=475hp
1250lbft@1900=452hp
The pattern in the data shows how the "rating" is a calculation.
How can 200 lbft(1550 and 1750) be the same power at differen speeds. Because the engine can do that amount of work at a different rate of speed. The engine pulls a hill way better in a lower gear where there is more torque(because manipulation) 1850 is huge compared to 1200 and so is the 1200rpm vs 1900rpm. One is clearly more capable. If you were to have 1850lbft@1900rpm it would be 670hp you can get these D13s in marine applications with 1000hp@2400rpm(2188lbft) that's a vastly different engine than a truck engine
this is the smartest & most well thought out reply I've seen to date in regards to all these truck comparisons. not to hard to see why 10 speed transmissions are going to be the standard moving forward. thank you for writing this up!
Awesome write up. Thank you for that. 👍👍
I think if people could see 3 charts of Torque & HP, what you're explaining is there is more "area under the curve" for the Ford, which is why it had the fastest time. i don't favor one brand over another; my dad is Ford for life - we pulled a trailer all over the US together & he LOVED catching other trucks on hills & outpolling them or die trying. My Father in-law drives a Cummins & that torque-rise you described is REAL. I really like how it feels when you drive it. Personally, I drive an L5P duramax and rarely pull but still find all this stuff fascinating.
@@jamms2966 I feel the ram will be more competitive with the 9 spd Allison or the 8 spd ZF trans Andre was talking about on tflnow yesterday. But the limitation will still be the 750lbft@2800(400hp) vs the Ford 890lbft@2800(475hp) on every hill. It will perform better than the GM especially in the lower and mid-band, where it already shines, even better with a 4.10 axle
Sooo..What are you trying to say?
1st Ford- 10:20.83 minutes 2.4mpg
2nd Dodge- 11:32.65 minutes 2.5mpg
3rd GMC- 11:47.68 minutes 2.4mpg
Interesting how the v8s have closed the mpg gap in the straight 6... I think it's from exhaust treatment killing the mpg advantage of the 6 and it's the transmissions.
@@ArcolaBridge killing all of them, but yes the inline should do much better than the 8's
@@teds4983 yeah but... For the best unfortunately... New injector tech might change that though Sandia labs has a game changer in the making.
The turbo never did better during towing or hard driving. They do well during normal driving.
Ted s why?
20 years ago this would be impossible with 1 ton trucks. It’s amazing how much power these trucks have.
Zack De they did it somehow 20 years ago
@@donald61398 lol no they didn't...
People still hauled way over loaded back in the 90's. They didn't run 3.50 rear end gears. They were running 4.10 or lower. 30,000 pounds on a 1 ton truck is extremely heavy though. Most people hauling that much weight are not doing it with an f350 or 3500 ram or gm. They would probably have a 5500, f650, or a regular 18 wheeler.
TexanUSMC8089 ddddddddddd
Idk my 99 24v could definitely pull that. But I don't have any confidence that it can slow it down.
Perfect timing...6:00am on a Sunday time for some breakfast and a TFL video! Love these unedited Ike videos.
“The transmission is relatively cool. “Well of course it’s February”. Love the honesty
Andrew Medeiros aisin transmission always run cooler than ford and Allison. Mine runs around 160-180 on summer towing on my 5500
Ford is greasing this test. They run way too hot.
Yeah 226 on a stock truck and trans is really starting to push it. And it wasn’t even “max load”. I would also suspect it would get hotter in a urban towing setting from all the starting and stopping and shifting.
Ford and GM use thermostats in the transmission coolers to keep the transmission from running too cool, a higher trans temp improves efficency and lubrication.
Yeah runs cooler, but lost by over a minute. That’s like the second place runner in a sprint race, finished not breathing as hard as the winner. Ford is all in house. Ram has 2/3 outsourced and GM has 1/3. Body, Engine, and Transmission. Complain when Fords Transmission is known to be problematic. Right now the Aisin transmission is outdated and outmatched.
Love y'all's videos and love how honest Mr.Truck is, you can tell he is not brand loyal, I agree with him about gauges and all the information you can get, I made a cross country trip last year towing heavy in my 2015 6.7 Ford powerstroke and when I got Yuma Arizona I hit a dust storm, shortly after I can feel the truck starting to lose power, I looked at my boost gauge and noticed it was only making 8 to 10 lb of boost and no engine light, pulled over and found the air filter was completely clogged with sand, cleaned the filter the best I could on the side of the road and the truck ran normal again and the boost was back up to 20, without a gauge it would have taken me longer to figure out what was happening, great video guys and kept up the good work!
Yea!!! Representing Yuma AZ!!!!!!!!!
I would say mr. truck is partial to ford. just from looking at his channel and previous videos. but still a great part of this channel!
Mr. Truck is very open minded when it comes to trucks, but his POV is a Ford F-150.
I always thought he was GM guy and Nathan was a Ram guy.
Never thought I’d see my home town Yuma being talked about in any TH-cam comment section 😆 👍 glad you figured out the issue before you got stuck on I-8. People don’t help out around here unfortunately...
I would appreciate it if, at the end of your comparison videos, you would include a view of the window sticker so we could see how each vehicle is configured, options, gear ratios, etc. which would give us a better idea how closely matched vehicles are.
Great request!
that Powerstroke is a animal , pulling 30k uphill at nearly 60mph !
For having 75 horses more than dodge and a 10 speed trany it should be the better one. If cummins put a 445hp or 465hp it would win even with the 6 speed
@@MCMUSICH No it wouldn't the Cummins has always been slower than both the Powerstroke, its I6 design could never keep up with the V8's Ford, a 10-Speed would help it some, but I'm certain it would still be slower.
Nathan McDonald hp is energy per timeframe. If the engine puts out 455 hp and has the same gear ratios, it will pull more.
Nathan McDonald doesn’t matter if it has 12 cyl or 1 hp is hp, doesn’t matter where it comes from
@@justinmartin8887 Horsepower is horsepower, you're right, but your cylinder arrangement can effect how its put it down, the I6 Cummins is great at lugging but it doesn't have the same ability to breather and circulate air/fuel at higher RPMS like the V8's do. I'm just saying, in every single head to head test I've ever seen the Cummins compared to the Powerstoke its always a couple of ticks behind, not that it really matters, these trucks are so grossly overpowered that it doesn't really matter which you buy, because it will tow good enough for you, and if won't you don't need a pickup, you need a semi.
The banter between these two is seriously priceless. Great videos guys.
I really like the comedic interchanges we see in the raw videos. Andre and Mr. Truck is the perfect combination.
You do the most comprehensive, real-world testing of whatever you test. In doing so, you answer, or almost always answer all questions that are on a potential buyers mind. I wouldn't buy a truck, new, or used without 1st checking to see if you guys have done some kind of comparison on it. Thank you brothers.
I use to pull my 7300# trailer up the Ike with my 2015 F150 5.0 and my top speed at the top was 38 mph. With my new F250 turbo diesel, pulling the same trailer, my speed is at 70 mph with power to spare at the top. That 6.7 is a high altitude beast.
The new Power Stroke with that 10 speed can’t be touched
Absolute beast
They get touched by the mechanics more than you think.
Ted s that’s so true.
@Dirty Harry i just have a few friend's that have had pretty bad luck with that ford 6.7. And they are actually very responsible driver's.
@@teds4983 ahh, thee ole "my buddy has a (insert make and model here) and it's junk blah blah blah"
I call BS, you sound like every other sore loser.
It's a fact that the 6.7 power stroke and the torqueshift is an extremely reliable powertrain. Stop with your fake propaganda because your favorite brand got its tail kicked.
Jeff Clark why are you Ford guys so insecure? Why do you care if someone else likes your brand?
The semi that passed you at the end of your run. Is so typical of today's me first steering wheel holders. A very small percentage of today's truck drivers are truly professional
You guys should get a Bluetooth obd2 dongle for these tests and read the live data information on a tablet. It would be safer and easier than reaching over from the passenger seat and playing with the wheel controls while Mr. Truck is driving. Plus, with the right software you'll more than likely be able to get the information GM doesn't want to show you in the display like boost pressure and what gear you're in.
It’ll show actual temps and pressures from all the sensors.
or the driver can do it himself. once you spend about 2 days with these trucks, you pick it up quick. but i bet mr.truck didnt have that
I love the new form. Much less editing makes your comparisons so much more interesting and transparent. Before you guys would edit video catering to people who aren't truck nerds. Now the real enthusiasts will love this channel.
Do some testing in AZ in middle of summer. Phx to Flagstaff.🔥👍
Or Yuma to Pheonix and back when it's 120 degrees.
@@TexanUSMC8089 some more realistic testing 👍. It's only a bit warm...
jesus trevizo 👍🏼👍🏼
@@TexanUSMC8089 In the extreme cold the Ford wins in the Rams and Chevs the boys would need more than Russian hats and have to keep their windows closed.
We'll get some first hand experience this year. Hauling about 5200 lbs payload (truck camper). Overweight, but whatever, lol. Will be coming cross country, through AZ, in August.
Love what you guys do! Thank you. One thing I would like to see at the end is a written side by side graphic with the results from the 3 trucks.
Ram should thank their lucky stars for Cummins. Its Cummins who has made Ram trucks relevant.
And if they wind up getting the 9speed Allison they will steal the market
@@toofastnobrakes I don't think Allison wants to be exclusive to any manufacturer. I think they are more interested in gaining market share by selling to any and all.
Makes sense except dead wrong. No Cummins in the 1500 yet that is the second best selling truck right now. Ram just knew they couldn’t make a diesel and brought in an expert. Ford tried that and failed so they made their own.
blang38 I didn’t say exclusively to ram. But the Allison would be the best choice. It’s the single most Successful combination and the commercial trucking world
@@smiley3303 I'm a big Ford fan but I can't lie your speaking facts.
The biggest loser in this test was GM, Same 10 speed as the Ford, but couldn't out perform the Ram with the 6 speed
@Frank Mischler not for the HD trucks!
I’ll still take the Chevy, with Fords having the death wobble and dodge having doors like a tin can and the typical electrical issues they all have I’ll stick with what I grew up with
The rams Toyota Japanese built transmission is the best.
Mr M yeah and have been having troubles so far for the 19 trucks. Slamming in gear while gearing down and redlining with no load.
@@allamerican7830 the death wobble is an old saying so that means nothing. I'm just wondering how long before the chevy starts rusting? That is an old saying that still holds true to GM trucks
Great content as usual, and the multi-view format really separates it from other reviewers. This definitely immerses the viewer in and I felt like I was there with the fellas lol.
5 AM on a Sunday. Good time to watch a TFL video. 😁
Nice. I appreciate these trucks stacked together like this. Thanks guys!
Liking the unedited version. Great job guys! A pro towing package is a fantastic idea, wonder who will come to the table first?
Guys, Thanks for these real life tow videos. I just upgraded from my 2019 Super Duty to a 2020 DRW. This video was very informative and helped me make the decision easy. Thanks again.
I did the same... 2017 SWR 250 to 2021 DRW... what a difference in power and stability.
Thank you TFL! We know these Ike gauntlet videos are hard work! I actually prefer unedited videos! All the cuts in the edited videos and music is just distracting.
You are all fantastic. I love the way you compare unbiased. Always eager to see more. Bravo!!
Hats off to TFL fast lane truck. Because of you guys I have changed my mind on which truck I'm going to buy I always was a Chevy fan and now I started looking at Ford's I also started following you guys back when you had less than a hundred thousand subscribers and truly your channel has taken off thank you TFL fast lane truck for your true and unbiased reviews.
Smart man. Ford, because the best never rest!
This is Cool...I like the split screen set up..you guys do Awesome work over there at TFL..thank you to Andre n Mr Truck.
You're welcome
Honestly they are all great trucks that have proven themselves more than worthy over the years.
They are all great but the Chev has improved the most. Twenty years ago in the fast lane when they ran got in their truck and raced the quarter mile the Chev guy still had the broken door handle in his hand before he could the key in the broken ignition switch in the Diesel truck they stopped making because they had poor fuel pumps and engines so could not even get third place in a three truck race!!
@@davemurphy2774 all the trucks ran great with the AP3 pumps. but as soon as the AP4 came out, dodge had issues, GM had issues, and ford had the worst. ford didnt screen their pumps, so when they grenaded themselves, they screwed everything else throughout the powertrain. GM and RAM at least had screens on theirs
I really enjoyed this video. Gave even more perspective. Thanks guys
For what its worth, to all the people who claim the ram/ Cummins is most reliable, let me share my observation on a trip last month from colorado to california up and over the rockies on the same highway this test was done on. And before anyone says im a fan boy, let me tell you now i dont own any of these trucks and dont care who won what, this is purely an observation over the 3,000 mile trip. I did not see 1 single ford or gm pulled off the road with the hood up. But i did see 3 Rams/Cummins pulled over with hoods up. And just for the hell of it, my wife and i started counting trucks just to see which brand had more on the road. My wife counted rams while i counted fords because that seemed like the closest race. But the number of fords on the road did in fact double the number of rams that we saw (we included half tons as well as 3/4 and one tons and even f450-f550 and 4500-5500's). I will say this, the 3 rams pulled over with hoods up did have large 5th wheels attached. And the number of trucks towing with big trailers between the two brands were close to the same even though there were twice as many fords total on the roads. So percentage wise more rams were towing, but there was 3 broken down (which we didnt count, only counted vehicles driving). Pure unbiased observation, and that is it. Say what you will
Another Great Video Guys ! Thanks 👍
I don’t know how you guys have had such good luck with traffic going up I-70 lately. I’ve been stuck in stop and go traffic a mile or more from the tunnel the last 3 times I was coming from Steamboat.
It's all about weather and timing
Rubbed N' Tugged BBQ they drive during the week and not on weekends. That weekend traffic is terrible.
Always love the raw tell it how it is videos! 👊🏽🇺🇸❤️Keep them coming
Going up this hill in my naturally aspirated 2.5 L manual Subaru wagon fully loaded I think I struggled to do 45 in 3rd gear.
I wonder what my 07 yaris 1.5L naturally-aspirated 4 speed auto could do. 😆
I don't care what vehicle a person has, that "test track" is a tough road to climb. I've done it in my Dodge 2500 with no load and had no issues but with a load it's a very different issue.
been there dude, 5 speed foresters need more oomph
i struggle in my 2.0L dodge dart going east over aspen. 4th gear, pinned, i think i was around 50mph at the most.
@@explorationgabe honestly another gear might be the difference. im surprised to see a 2.5 Scubby doing worse over a lesser climb
Tell the driver he doesn't have his foot all the way down... until he gets a pedicure from the fan blade, lol.
Thanks for the test. I'm looking forward to more on the 7.3 Ford gasser. Maybe a 7.3 gas dually IKE gauntlet test. "Keep on Truckin". 👍
Trying to find a truck with the 7.3 gas engine is a real challenge. I've been looking for a F350 for about six months but they are difficult to find.
In November I went to Ford to order a new truck. I thought I was gonna order a F-350 SRW with the 7.3. I left Ford having ordered a F450 6.7 when I had to put a down payment on a truck I just couldn’t do it on the 7.3 was afraid that I won’t be happy with the gas engine after my last 3 trucks being diesel, I need more feed back from 7.3 owner. If Ford would have let me do a test tow with the 7.3 I may have bought one.
If you tow regular, you'll hate the 7.3 gasser... they get terrible mileage and still are way down on power from the 6.7.
These raw & unedited videos are awesome!!!
Not sure people realize how badass towing 30k up the Ike in the winter with a damn pick-up truck is
Love how Andre says 'the Chruck'
These videos are great 👍 .. they always seem unbiased and truthful. I own a 2021 F350 6.7 Dually so that may be part of why I enjoy watching them so much lol. In all seriousness, these videos are most of why I chose the Ford over the other trucks. Thanks Guys!
Ford is the king in work truck imo. Always have been
They’re warranty department is absolutely terrible
Great job, love the video and all the action packed information.
Love the unedited videos!
Great video, as always, however, would rather the large view was the gauges and the smaller inset was you guys. We would be able to see the gauges much better.
Always love & look forward to your Ike videos. One more thing I would love to see integrated into all HD trucks is Dashcams (at least front & rear). The trucks already have all the cameras. So the only component missing is the a spot for the micro SD card to record the footage like on The Blackvue DR900S-2CH. While the manufacturers are it, they might as well integrate the Haul Gage (HaulGauge measures tongue weight, pin weight, payload, and gross combined weight in real-time with an OBD-II connector that communicates wirelessly via Bluetooth with an app on your iPhone or Android device.) that we currently have to plug into the OBD port. When spending almost $100k on a truck, it should have ALL the bells & whistles!!
Great videos, very informative, first ones I've seen. For curiosity's sake, what trucks do you guys drive personally? On my third Duramax, just got 2019 kept my 2007 just couldn't trade it in! I'm a subscriber now, thanks!
The boys wearing their Siberian winter Toques kinda of remind me of Bob and Doug McKenzie.
LMAO. Steamroller.
Take off ya hoser.
The epic battle has begun !!!!
That was fun. Thanks, guys!
Love these! Love TFL!!!
The new Powerstroke is impressive. I think when the Cummins gets the 8-speed it’ll be more comparable.
I like that y'all are bringing back the old video style with less editing and more truck.
Thank you guys. I like they way you test these trucks.
Great job again TFL crew, and the winner is!!!
Here's how I think you could improve the IKE runs for your fans. Have GPS speed overlayed with the video, or have a camera on the gauges the whole way up so we can see for ourselves when and how much each truck slows down.
Yes All Three Of Them Are Very Good Trucks & I Would Love To Have One Of All Three Of Them Please
Thanks To All & To All A Good Night
@The Fast Lane Truck, really enjoy watching the unedited versions of these tests, without real world testing the manufacturers wouldn't have proper direction to improve these HD trucks for people who buy them to use them. I have one small suggestion though for the GMC HD, Gale Banks offers the upgraded intake & exhaust systems along with the deringer tuner would be nice to see that same tow test with and upgraded truck of the same spec. Seems to me GMC has left some room for improvement specifically for the aftermarket.
I love your tests up the mountain. Don t change a thing
Love these unedited Ike videos! A detail that is bugging me is the camera angle on the instrument cluster. The off-angle makes it hard to read the speedometer. But it is nice to see the tach so clearly. Now if you could only post the unedited video of the GM 6.6 gasser that got trounced by the 7.3 Ford...
What GM 6.6 ? The video I saw on FTL showed the GMC 6.2 gasser destroy the Ford 7.3 gasser.
If I was hauling 30,000 pounds on a regular basis, I'd get a bigger truck. An F350, or 3500 is maxed at that weight. I go for at least a 5500 or move up to an 18 wheeler. Being able to pull something is just half of it. You need to steer and stop too. Great video though.
Thanks for sharing.
I love the enthusiasm these two have.
The raw videos are 100x more enjoyable to watch. Keep it up!!
Love all 3. But if ram actually does get that 9speed Allison to put behind the Cummins, I’m sold
They will literally steal the market for HD trucks. Ask anyone w a Chevy or ford diesel why they didn’t go Cummins and the answer a lot of times is the transmission issues with ram..
Something that interests me a lot: How did those trucks do going down that grade. One thing I loved about my f350 was going down a 6% grade with 45k on it at 40 mph safely.
I'm a farmer and half my operation is on the other side of Fish Creek canyon so I haul equipment over it a lot.
Only a farmer could get away with being that over loaded. Well done.
Watch the 2019 dually video. The downgrade the dodge has much better braking. Watch the video. Ford used service brakes 6 times to get back down to 45. Chevy used them 9 times. Dogde with the aisin transmission used their service brakes 0 times. You had 15000 more pounds than that ? Lol. You better watch the video. You are not controlling that much weight with a 1 ton safely.
That's funny shit.
@@samuelhatch8470 - Ford destroyed the other two going up tho did you see that too?
@@CoyoteFTW yup I did.
Terrific video! Since it's winter, I would imagine all the trucks are running No.1 Diesel fuel (winter blend) which has about 10% less BTU per pound than No.2 summer blend fuel. I would like to see this test run again in the warm weather with summer blend fuel to see if we have measurable improvements in performance as well as their ability to reject heat in hot weather.
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You know this is a good channel when you watch a video & 3 years later you watch it again.
Andre, you might consider getting one of those Bluetooth OBDII port adapters to monitor all the temps and things so you don't have to reach across the driver to scroll through them on the dash. You can just monitor it from your phone as he drives. Just a suggestion. They are relatively inexpensive I think.
Love mine
We could also see the throttle application aswell
It blows me away they have no pyro
I recently worked with two fleet mechanics that worked on all Ram trucks, constant breakdowns across every model. I think their brand has a long way to go.
Really?? Because I can say the same thing about Ford!!
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk I'm simply stating the facts based on this company's experience. Maybe all manufactures need to step up reliability.
Jophlo TheArtist I'm simply stating facts as well! My agency has mostly Ford fleet vehicles (f150 eco crap, exploders and superduty) with nothing but issues. The superduty gassers pre aluminum have been great though.
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk I'm not brand loyal at this point. Again, I believe all manufactures need to step up their overall quality in order to justify the exorbitant pricing.
My 86 F250 with a straight 6 was the most reliable truck I've ever owned!
Jophlo TheArtist right! With The price tag on these trucks, they should be perfect from day one. The older Fords were great trucks. They haven't made a good truck since 2015. Ram has really stepped up their game, but they can still be better.
It all depends what you feel is the best for you. I can prove how much better Ford is then anything, someone else can prove Chevy/GMC, and someone else Ram..they all offer amazing abilities now. Nothing matters more then comfort level for the driver. Thanks for the great videos. Really appreciate your time.
Yes, love these videos
Man that Ford is amazing you watch these videos side-by-side and you can see the Ford handles that massive load with great ease a lot of power in reserve I can’t imagine if you had a tune on that thing the ram is great at the downhill if Ford would master the downhill portion of this I can’t imagine the score
I think Ford's PCM programming is much better the other two seem to reduce boost for sustained WOT therefore reducing power output. Don't know about the GM but Ram was running around 20psi and the Ford was pushing 30psi. I think the Ford's computer takes ambient temp into account and since it was cold allowed for higher boost because the fan could easily reduce temp 10-20 degrees in a few seconds. Either way Ford ruled the day again, as they say the best never rests.
I could not live with that fan in the Ford. So annoying!!
01Cummins2 well would you rather have your truck blow up?
Morgan Virden buy a Cummins, problem salved
Cool stuff ain’t no problems to solve with a ford learn how to spell
I don't buy merch from TH-cam channels, but I would buy a TFL hat like Andre's.
It seems 4 mpg is a bit optimistic. Great video as usual. Love the real world testing.
Thanks for sharing this ♥️
I would definitely like to see this test done in the Summer when its in the 90s. If the Ford can maintain that level of power output without getting hot, then it really is the 2020 king of the hill. And only time will tell, but given the partial redesign to Powerstroke, I wonder how the long term reliability will be? Overall, the 6.7 seems pretty solid, so I'm hoping they've really nailed it with the new hardware and increased hp. We'll know in about a year or two.
I keep asking them to do testing in the summer. Big difference in density altitude from winter to summer.
@@jjsemperfiI would just like to see them do this test every year
I would like you to do same test in summer... if it is cold outside all thermodinamics works better...
Yeah do it again in full sun in July. At least 90 degrees F.
Very good trucks and high altitude test. Thank you TFL, keep up the great work.
I watch you all the time and been for the last 10 years and support you let’s get with manufactures Dodge always do something different!!!
You guys do a great job with the IKE Vids. I think the 30,000 lb haul would be very good for hot shot (CDL) drivers, and car haulers. There are not many Fifth Wheel Trailers that approach 30,000 lbs, but there are some in the upper 20k range. Most of those are pulled by Class 6 or better trucks. The average heavy Fifth Wheel Recreational trailer would be 18k to 22k GVW. I tow a 20,000 lb trailer with my 16 Ram with 110 gals fuel, and 4600lbs of pin weight. That puts me over the trucks GVW till I burn some fuel off. Also it bares noting that the Ford F450, with the bed has the same GVW as the F350 at 14,000 lbs. If I was pulling the IKE with my rig, I would be hand shifting the tranny and would be in 4th gear, rpms up at 60 mph and go from there. I tow in 5th gear, at 2150-2200 rpms. The 4:10 gears can’t handle the load in 6th and keeps hunting to fifth. Flat land towing in 6th results in 9.3 mpg. 5th gear is 10.4 mpg. Gets the load off the engine and is very close to a 4:30 ratio in 5th.
Not sure why they dont pay attention to the egt's while flooring it for 10 mins. Almost more important than anything
There's probably at minimum 4 pyro probes from the factory in the exhaust that double up for emissions monitoring. So I'm willing to bet stock trucks will defuel long before dangerous EGT's are an issue.
What's an EGT?
@@slongholio exhaust gas temperatures
That Red Ram in the snow 😍
Luv these videos please do more
Great video! I would love to see a long term reliability review of each. Maybe find some drivers of each and compare after 100 000 miles. This would give us a great idea of what truck is best.
Ford is the only one thatll hold up
Hurricane 863 With Ford’s history of engines, it’ll be the first to go.
Make no mistakes the Cummings has over the Long haul showed to be the most dependable bar none..
Great video, would love to see Dodge with a 10 speed!
only complaint.... shouldn't be going off the custer for fuel consumption.
you guys do great reviews love the old mans headgear with ol glory
What you should also add to your reviews is interior / seat comfort. The newer seats in many of these new trucks are not as comfortable as they used to be, which is tough for long hauls.
The reason the new GM's buck this year, is because they moved the 5th wheel center point slightly behind the rear axle. My father just bought a GM 3500 and hauls a 45' camper and hates it. Traded his 16' GM 2500 that never bucked. It was so bad he took the truck back and GM told him they moved the hitch back this year.
Thanks for sharing.
And to think Ford is the only one that makes their own engine and transmission.
I wish I could afford any of these. Love the video!
Great information!
So the 2017 GMC you guys tested against the Freightliner M2 was only 20 seconds behind 1st place? How could the Denali be so much slower? The CM bed that 2017 had was more than enough to make up for the extra weight of the Denali package, too.
“Cummins motors don’t ever scream” - PD Diesel Power.
No they sound like they are coming apart at 3000rpm. If the cummins only spun 2200rpm I would possibly be interested. I used to drive an 08 sterling that had a cummins 8.9L L9 280hp w/Allison 6spd 3000RDS and I hated driving it because it always was hunting between 2nd and 3rd, all while sounding horrible at 2200rpm. And the smaller cummins 6.7 spins higher. Love my volvo D13 only time if ever over 1800rpm is when you pull the max engine brake control at 53mph, drops from 12th to 9th gear and hits 2250rpm. Pulling she never crosses 1800.
@@jnk26 nah they will run 3100 all day long, I would set the cruise up hills in 3rd running 75 to hold hills never a problem, on the contrary you have to absolutely whip a V8 to pull a hill that the Cummins will hold more easily in a situation where you are just trying to maintain speed uphill, flat out acceleration from a stop loaded the v8s win and it's meaningless
@@doddgarger6806 Dodd Garger well everyone boasts about the Cummins low end grunt, why would you want to spin the poor thing above the peak hp of 2800? Seems like it's a smart thing to do to a $10-15k engine. Let me guess it will last a million miles at 3100rpm as well? I know for a fact that 13 litre engine that are beat on(hot rodded) dont make 750k, let alone a million. On other points, I seem to know what in talking about and an engine that has more hp at said rpm will have more torque as well(be cause torque at rpm is horsepower)
400hp@2800rpm=750lbft of torque
475hp@2600rpm=959lbft of torque. Now this being stated the both the V8s have the high rpm advantage, more torque means there is more leverage to do the work. What I said about the Ram was I dont like the way it sounds at high rpm(I consider 2200 high rpm) because I spend 14-16 hours a day at 1300rpm, I have always disliked the sound of a small I6 engine(under 12L is small in the real world). It you look at it the Duramax@910lbft w/3.42 and the 10spd, is just as capable as the Cummins@1000lbft w/4.10 and the 6 speed. Given this is the gearing manipulating the torque. The GM is on par with the "better" Cummins. What you feel is called torque rise. As the engine lugs back the amount of leverage goes up(750lbft@2800 rises to 1000lbft@1800) the V8s dont have as dramatic torque rise(959lbft@2600 only rises to 1050@1600 in the Ford) so the gain of 250 lbft in the cummins gives you the illusion of better power. When ultimately the Ford and GM pull through it at the hp rating
445hp@2800=835lbft which is more that rams 400hp@2800=750lbft. Remember torque exists without hp but hp doesnt exist without torque, it's just and equation. If you truly believe that a less powerful, less torquey engine is stronger, fools on you. There is a reason the Ford beat the almost identically geared GM up the hill(140lbft at the bottom end, and 124lbft at the top end), by almost a minute and a half, the Ram just tied the GM with a considerable axle advantage 4.10 vs 3.42, and the deficit of gear manipulation(6spd vs 10spd)
Ford is impressive this year, Ram nearly just as good. GM is a distant 3rd and a disappointment. A local Ford dealer sales guy in twin cities has says they have sold a lot of 2020 6.7s including several F450s. I literally saw a guy testing driving a 2020 F450 in inver grove heights mn. What a BEAST of a truck, my goodness!
I really like this format with the speedometer
Great info
Thanks guys I depend on your videos!!
Somehow i get the feeling that Andre annoys the bejesus out of Mr. Truck. 😂
You should finally insert the data into the videos, that would make it much better.
Ready to see the upcoming Powerstroke 6.7 HO test when you get one. I am currently driving a '22 F450 and I love it. So much so that I drive around with my trailer empty JUST to drive! Sometimes I load my Pathfinder Armada on to feel like I'm doing something!
Спасибо , ребят. Очень информативное видео.