Why Didn't "Defund the Police" Happen? | Renegade Cut

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  • In 2020, the "defund the police" movement swept the streets, but not much was accomplished in the legislatures. Why not? Support Renegade Cut on Patreon: / renegadecut
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  • @tuuudes3449
    @tuuudes3449 ปีที่แล้ว +1068

    Another thing that needs to be mentioned is that the slogan "defund the police" was not created in a vacuum by naive idealistic activists. It was partially the result of a long series of failed slogans that were immediately co-opted by the police and their lapdogs and stripped of their political content.
    Slogans that included "police reform" have historically been used by pro-police politicians to justify increasing police funding and avoiding any meaningful increase in accountability, because those slogans were not explicit enough in their demands. "Defund the police" is a simplified version of a very real policy proposal that cannot be co-opted by police-friendly politicians and pundits, so they instead misrepresented and attacked the slogan (and the movement behind it).
    So whenever you see some self-righteous liberal saying "you should have advocated for police reform instead of defunding the police", be aware that advocating for generic "police reform" has literally never worked for activist movements. At best, it results in a small number of consent decrees that are ignored by the police departments in question, or the creation of civilian police oversight boards which are immediately hamstrung by pro-police politicians. More often, it just results in increased levels of police funding and no meaningful increase in accountability or decrease in crime.

    • @renegadecut9875
      @renegadecut9875  ปีที่แล้ว +299

      I'm pinning this because people are still commenting "They really should have workshopped that name and called it 'reform' instead, actually."

    • @auntijen3781
      @auntijen3781 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      I also think using the phrase "defund" is especially important bc whenever we talk about these State/Local/Municipal budgets we are talking about a FINITE BUDGET- Unlike the Federal budget, the S/L/M budgets can't be unbalanced or exist on borrowed money. So if someone (the police) is taking a 64% slice of the pie, right off the top it forces everything else that the budget must cover to split the remaining 36% or tough luck. Dig?

    • @CorbCorbin
      @CorbCorbin ปีที่แล้ว

      It should be replace.
      *not talking about a slogan, but what needs to happen

    • @KarlMarcus8468
      @KarlMarcus8468 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      damn cops still haven't grown up past the being a bully phase cause it looks like they still use the 'stop hitting yourself' technique.

    • @devifoxe
      @devifoxe ปีที่แล้ว

      Not fro USA... And I am thinking I point the obvious..
      This slogan it was doom to fail from the start...
      It was a compromise to approach the liberals.
      We all ready have a perfect slogan "abolish the police"
      don't need to reinvent the wheel...
      You don't need the American way for everything!!
      american exceptionalism is a strong drug...

  • @Huntracony
    @Huntracony ปีที่แล้ว +674

    It's still wild to me that police dogs get several times more training than police officers.

    • @MeldaRavaniel
      @MeldaRavaniel ปีที่แล้ว +86

      And people who cut your hair have more training.....
      Scissors be dangerous!

    • @erichmyles4481
      @erichmyles4481 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Its wild to me that they exist lol

    • @forstudentpower
      @forstudentpower ปีที่แล้ว +16

      In most jurisdictions, hair dressers do too 💇‍♀

    • @ahouyearno
      @ahouyearno ปีที่แล้ว +19

      You might even say police officers are worse than dogs.
      At least when it come to training

    • @savageblackfish5117
      @savageblackfish5117 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I thought you were calling all police dogs. Which would really be quite an insult to dogs.

  • @HistoryScope
    @HistoryScope ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I really like the list at 2:40. In my own country of the Netherlands crime is on the rise: youth gangs are reappearing, organized crime syndicates are appearing, and political assassinations of lawyers and journalists are becoming more frequent.
    And when looking at the list our government has been systematically eroding nearly all of these services for the past 12 years. Your videos are not just important for the USA, but show in general how not to run a country.

  • @VinceWhitacre
    @VinceWhitacre ปีที่แล้ว +125

    Too bad the people who need to watch this won't. Great job, as always.

    • @MeldaRavaniel
      @MeldaRavaniel ปีที่แล้ว

      And even if they did, they won't believe the facts. Not even kidding, my mom tried to tell me Biden ballooned the deficit, so I pulled up the deficit over time graph from the Treasury and she won't believe that because they must be in on it somehow.
      The only source I've found I can rely on is the Constitution, but i have to actually read it to her because she even claims stuff is in or not in it that, again, is demonstrably false.
      If you believe nothing, you'll fall for anything.

    • @austinhernandez2716
      @austinhernandez2716 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      It happens but very rarely. I was one of those people. I used to be a so called "libertarian". Now I'm a leftist, a real "libertarian"

  • @I.____.....__...__
    @I.____.....__...__ ปีที่แล้ว +153

    2:08 It's even worse than that, the police don't prevent crime, or even respond to it. It has been repeatedly upheld that the police do NOT have a constitutional duty to save lives, or to protect and serve, or even to solve crimes. Basically, tax-payers are paying them to do stuff _if they feel like it_ anything they do is at their largess, but they don't actually _have_ to do anything. Maybe that's why they spend so much time harassing and assaulting people instead. 😒
    How many times has someone begged the police for help only to hear "we'll do what we can, but it probably won't get anywhere" or "we've got bigger/more important crimes to deal with"? 🤦 Most cops are NOT running around, chasing serial-killers, so wtf can't they try to track down your stolen bike or phone? 🤨 I guess they need their time to sit in their squad-car at a donut shop instead (I have numerous photos).
    At most, they "uphold laws" by finding ways to harass innocent people by abusing the letter-of-the-law instead of following the spirit of the law. Things like that cop who curb-stomped a kid's head into the road because he skateboarded through a red-light and could have gotten hurt. Or the countless times we've seen them pull over people who were driving just fine. Or all the times they arrest people for NOT causing harm, but because some nobody wrote some nonsense words in a paper somewhere to invent infinite laws so that EVERYBODY can be made a criminal for some reason or other in order to squeeze money out of them as "fines".
    It shouldn't come as a surprise that law-enforcement as an institution has higher rates of domestic-violence than the NFL (I think I saw that stat on this channel 🤔).
    People pay violent people to NOT help them but rather, to ruin lives.
    * 14:53 *Jerkulese (I never did like him 😒)

    • @genossinwaabooz4373
      @genossinwaabooz4373 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is the truth.
      Once you see what really goes on, it's painfully obvious what they're all about.
      They don't know the law, nor would they conform to it if they did.
      More tickets more assets more court fees more incarceration more money.
      They're just crushing the poor for kicks.

    • @MeldaRavaniel
      @MeldaRavaniel ปีที่แล้ว +30

      One might say they're a protection racket, no?

    • @RT710.
      @RT710. ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MeldaRavaniel that's so damn true and I never thought of it like that. They are totally a protection racket. The cops are the soldiers and the prosecutors are the enforcers...

    • @margotpreston
      @margotpreston ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, the police are a mafia, and we're paying a protection racket.

  • @redmaple1982
    @redmaple1982 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    A thing to note is that in response to the uprisings the media presentwd the debate as "should we allow for police brutality or should we allow for looting" and the talking head activists fell for the obvious wedging rather than rejecting the framework as a false binary.

  • @gardenboydon
    @gardenboydon ปีที่แล้ว +222

    "You can't expect the Democratic party to do anything cool". Perfect summary

    • @stoodmuffinpersonal3144
      @stoodmuffinpersonal3144 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      "I wish they were half as cool as reactionaries made them out to be."

    • @MrPiccoloku
      @MrPiccoloku ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@stoodmuffinpersonal3144 You can expect them to do cool things sometimes, but only if you force them

  • @cassiedevereaux-smith3890
    @cassiedevereaux-smith3890 ปีที่แล้ว +291

    "The United States is also a one-party state, but with typical American extravagance, they have two of them"
    -Julius Nyerere, first president of Tanzania
    The Democrats didn't defund the police because they are part of the party of Wall Street; a party that comes in two colors but has the same flavor. Police protect property, not people, and protecting property is what Wall Street wants and therefore their servants in office bend to their will. It's not that they failed to get on board with defunding the police. It's simply the opposite of what they exist to do, the handful of so-called progressives notwithstanding.

    • @foujj
      @foujj ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah that's kinda bullshit. I mean there are leaders in the Democratic party that cozy up to industry because without money you can't win an election, but to call them soulless corporate shills is reductive and ignores the fact that many in the party are actively trying to pass legislation for social issues. I mean they kinda suck at it and don't have the unity of purpose the GOP has, but they do manage to squeak through progressive policies from time to time, which is the best that can be expected when they receive so little support from the very electorate they seek to help. We get the government we deserve and we have let the process be corrupted because the messaging on the right has successfully painted simple common sense policies like free college and negotiating for prescription drug prices as some evil Bolshevik agenda.

    • @emilyrln
      @emilyrln ปีที่แล้ว +19

      "To Protect and Serve Capital"

  • @kedafu
    @kedafu ปีที่แล้ว +318

    As a Social Worker-Outreach-SAR. I often semi-joke with the Police here by saying you do not hear activists wanting to defund our department.

    • @ahouyearno
      @ahouyearno ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nobody ever says fuck the firefighters
      Well. They do. But they literally mean intercourse

  • @HoneycuttVideos
    @HoneycuttVideos ปีที่แล้ว +206

    Using the example at 4:12 of the police not being well-suited to handle mental health crises, my neighborhood launched a new program to dispatch mental health professionals as first responders for those types of emergencies, instead of the police. They started in March, and have been incredibly successful in helping people in ways the police can’t- even talking some people out of committing suicide. It’s a fantastic example of what we could see on a national, even global level, of reducing/removing police presence in emergencies that they cannot properly handle.

    • @pellabologna
      @pellabologna ปีที่แล้ว +7

      what neighborhood?

    • @kenpanderz
      @kenpanderz ปีที่แล้ว

      you can be sure that even if more communities implemented this solution, the police, with the help of the broader government, would spin the news, numbers and even actively sabotage these efforts to make it look like it failed in order to not just maintain police supremacy, but even bolster the perceived need for police involvement on every level of human society. without strong government support for it, this can only be done on extremely small scales and/or for relatively short periods of time.
      id love for this solution to be scaled up, but that would only make it an irresistible target for those who want to and absolutely can dismantle it

  • @altothealtoiest1682
    @altothealtoiest1682 ปีที่แล้ว +227

    I remember over the summer the mayor of Buffalo NY was accused of defunding the police and that’s why the shooting back in May happened, at which point the mayor pointed out that he actually raised police budgets.
    So you know just to show where we’re at with “Defund The Police”

    • @Corbomite_Meatballs
      @Corbomite_Meatballs ปีที่แล้ว +29

      "Something bad happened, which shows you didn't do what I want!
      Actually, we did more than what you asked for, and it happened anyway.
      You're still not doing what *I* want!"

    • @troubadour723
      @troubadour723 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh, I thought the shooting was the result of the shooter's ideological indoctrination. But in fact it was because the mayor did something he didn't actually do. Good to know. Glad those folks didn't die in vain.

    • @kenpanderz
      @kenpanderz ปีที่แล้ว

      defund the police might aswell be the attack helicopter meme at this point with the way republicans, and many democrats, talk about it

  • @pedrogarcia8706
    @pedrogarcia8706 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    God that video of Joe Biden saying "Fund the police" to massive raucus applause and cheers is bone-chilling.

    • @ladyjustice5282
      @ladyjustice5282 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Or at least it would be if it wasn't so expected

    • @42Caio
      @42Caio ปีที่แล้ว

      Why the fuck you americans treat this guy as left wing?

    • @kenpanderz
      @kenpanderz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      he might aswell have said "legalize murder". probably be less harmful overall

  • @bigcrazewolf
    @bigcrazewolf ปีที่แล้ว +248

    You'd think it did happen judging by all the politician's that insist it is. We spend an obscene amount of money on policing this country.

    • @StopLizard
      @StopLizard ปีที่แล้ว

      it's like how republicans still claim Obama destroyed our military, while we spend more than the next several countries combined

  • @beebo7071
    @beebo7071 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    I remember when my great aunt called for help and the police ended up threatening her unprovoked. People who believe cops are any form of the solution probably have never interacted with them

    • @generatoralignmentdevalue
      @generatoralignmentdevalue ปีที่แล้ว

      Matches my own experience with being stupid enough to call the cops. I'd rather just be murdered. It would likely be faster and I won't have to live with the memory.

    • @kenpanderz
      @kenpanderz ปีที่แล้ว +4

      like calling wolves to save your chickens. lets hope they're not hungry..

  • @masonsmith5726
    @masonsmith5726 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Ted Wheeler being on screen as the word "cowards" was a wonderful touch.

  • @beylethdirons2160
    @beylethdirons2160 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    "In an age of disinformation, the truth is a precious commodity." Thank you. Thank you for your work, because it makes it easier to tell fact from fiction.

  • @kevinmcqueenie7420
    @kevinmcqueenie7420 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    To quote the late great Bill Hicks, "I'll show you politics in America. I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs. I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking. Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding up both puppets! Shut up! Go back to bed America, your government is in control"

  • @validpostage
    @validpostage ปีที่แล้ว +154

    although i'm glad that the "defund the police" idea has hit a bigger audience, it's a shame the goal of "abolish the police" was neutered to "defund the police"

    • @genossinwaabooz4373
      @genossinwaabooz4373 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Supporters of Abolition are still working on it. Pragmatically, what has to be top priority is local action to confront the worst problems, FOIA, and get your community talking about it.

    • @foujj
      @foujj ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree that the police are corrupt. But when your car breaks down you don't set it on fire and walk away, you fix it. I'm not even sure how abolishing the police would work. Who do you call when something happens? Ghostbusters?

    • @EvdogMusic
      @EvdogMusic ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Most of the rampant corruption in policing is City and County police acting with no oversight. "Abolish Local Police" (a.k.a. strip their autonomy and make them under State Police) would make corruption harder to hide, would stop corrupt cops county-hopping, and would make change less patchwork.

    • @terrestrialTerror
      @terrestrialTerror ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That's my worry too, I remember when it was abolish the police and now it's this weird concession that claims "oh we shouldn't do that but better allocate funding :)" fuck that, I want the police gone replaced with something that would actually fucking protect people.

  • @revolutionofthekind
    @revolutionofthekind ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I would say, as an abolitionist involved in the midwest, the most traction we've gotten has been in the midwest. The particpitory budget comittee was created by several activist groups in cleveland, and is largely why after over a decade we got a new and more progressive mayor. It also got the local horrificaly corrupt and destitute county jail closed, and has been at the forefront of making sure any prison built has the resources and safety, staffing, and standards that actually Help people. Theres been set backs, and cleveland cops are fucking viscious, but this is at least one case where change has been happening and continue to happening. Its just not News grabbing except very local news, and most of the mainstream newspapers (the plain dealer, the news herald) are often hysterical when it vones to crime. I see this in a lot of cities, a bunch of small battles won or pusged forward but in thr context of a much larger, long term fight they dont seem like much and for some of the younger acivists, disheartening.
    It is complicated, and i wouldnt say that the defund and abolish movemebt has been 100% a success, but it hasnt been a failure either. Its just an ongoing fight, and we dont know where it'll end up just yet

  • @VicViper1984
    @VicViper1984 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    I live in Portland, it's exhausting hearing people claim that the city was essentially "burned down" and blame the spike in crime here to us allegedly defunding the police.

    • @nerag7459
      @nerag7459 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just visualize the city as a vast smoking crater based on the characterization of the city by right wing nutjobs

    • @nerag7459
      @nerag7459 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@haileybalmer9722 What a bunch of crybabies

    • @clarkharrell2227
      @clarkharrell2227 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Seattle dweller here, I know your pain.

    • @sithpsychopath3189
      @sithpsychopath3189 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Same in Denver. My own father is convinced the whole city burned. They live in a separate reality

    • @dinosaysrawr
      @dinosaysrawr ปีที่แล้ว +21

      At the height of the BLM protests, it was indeed exhausting (perfect word; thank you) explaining to people from Podunkatucky that, no, actually, Portland had more to fear from the forest fires that summer than the protests. So nice to have people who live a thousand miles away Fox-splain your own city, state, or region of the country to you! :V

  • @acidbased2654
    @acidbased2654 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I live in the Bay Area and it's wild how people can look at the rampant homelessness (and resulting crime), then look at the average SF rent of ~$3400, and say, "yep, must be Chesa Boudin's fault. needs more cops."

  • @Kite403
    @Kite403 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    It upsets me to no end that Defund the Police didn't materialize. Even some independent news channels I follow were saying it was a bunk proposal, without ever actually elaborating on what the movement meant to stand for. The US is a facist hellhole

    • @guy-sl3kr
      @guy-sl3kr ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, the 2020 BLM protest was the biggest movement in this country's history and it amounted to nothing politically. Less than nothing, actually, since police and military budgets skyrocketed instead of shrinking. The fact that our politicians can nakedly betray their constituency with complete impunity reveals what a sham this "democracy" is.

    • @liamtreat5194
      @liamtreat5194 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I do wonder how much branding effected this. Seriously, ‘defund’ doesn’t accurately convey ‘redistribute into things that will do the job better’. It allows them to dismiss the idea outright just based on what it seems to be rather than actually explaining it, since then it suddenly sounds reasonable.

    • @gamewrit0058
      @gamewrit0058 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@liamtreat5194 The pinned comment addresses this concern
      👍

    • @brokentower3148
      @brokentower3148 ปีที่แล้ว

      punish the police

  • @rem7259
    @rem7259 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I love watching your videos minutes before going on air as a crew member of a neoliberal talk show that repeats many of the talking points you mentioned and continues to side with the status quo. Makes me feel a little less insane.

  • @matiasmendoza9274
    @matiasmendoza9274 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Isn't just the problem that capitalism will always require a police force that steps on the working population?

    • @renegadecut9875
      @renegadecut9875  ปีที่แล้ว +42

      That's why I'm an abolitionist more than a defunder.

    • @berjanbeen7188
      @berjanbeen7188 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Though this is true, police forces in other countries show that better education standards, trained focused on non violent de-escalation and better funding and organizing of mental health and poverty solutions lessen the harmful impact of the police.
      Austerity measures in the Netherlands have worsened our mental health care, resulting in an increase of people being arrested and harmed for being "confused". It has also led to more gas explosions (accidental and intentional) and house fires.
      If capitalism and police continue to exist, it's better that their harm is reduced.

    • @MusicIsMyOxycontin
      @MusicIsMyOxycontin ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The ideal would be abolition but here we are in an unideal world.

    • @RedSpade37
      @RedSpade37 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@renegadecut9875 Thank you for all you do. Change is real, and change is coming!
      Let's continue to do our best before the Planet evicts us.

  • @justme0910
    @justme0910 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    One thing that is really important to understand about people who advocate for policing and punitive measures as a "deterrent" for crime and thus the only way to keep communities "safe" is that those people are being disingenuous - or rather, they are framing what they are truly advocating for in a deeply disingenuous way.
    The longer I am engaged in secular and antitheist activism, the more obvious it becomes to me how much of our current justice system is wrapped up in spiritual notions of "sin" and "virtue". A lot of people - conservatives and liberals alike, and even a few leftists - absolutely HATE the idea of harm reduction and preventative justice through eliminating criminogenic conditions because they're obsessed not with the material effect antisocial behavior has on others, but with ritualistically casting out "evil" from the community.
    For the record, this is something that isn't unique to any particular religion, and non-religious people also engage in this type of thinking. I guess to a degree, it's just a side effect of human nature, and it's easy to see why: Performatively judging unacceptable behavior is not only a way to reassure yourself of your own virtue, it's a social bonding opportunity, and we are highly social animals.
    Painting the transgressor's behavior as the outcome of some sort of innate moral flaw also absolves the community of their collective responsibility and stops them from critically examining the existing social hierarchy. In order for the Status Quo to be preserved, criminals must be fundamentally different from non-criminals somehow, and preventing them from committing crimes is framed not as a desirable outcome, but as a moral rot that will fester and eventually consume the community. Therefore, the only way to deal with the "problem" is to put people to the test - make life needlessly hard for them, expect them to cope with this through "legitimate" means, and punish those who turn to "illegitimate" means like theft, drug use or physical violence.
    Looking at all of this through a materialist lens, it clearly doesn't work and only makes things worse for everyone. But this way of thinking makes EMOTIONAL sense and is therefore psychologically tempting to fall into and difficult to unlearn.
    Unlearning it is a long, painful, difficult process, but it's extremely important to move towards true, transformative justice, rather than this farce inspired by magical thinking. It's what anarchists mean when we say: "Kill the cop in your head."

    • @anxez
      @anxez ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Well said. This is getting to the real core of it.

  • @meganegan5992
    @meganegan5992 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I've had shit stolen from me or lost constantly, and no matter how many times I'll ask the police for help, they've never solved a crime for me. Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but yeah, I ain't seen a cop solve a crime, so until they do, I've no reason to trust them.

  • @abaracskai
    @abaracskai ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Democrats REALLY love playing zero sum games with fascists, do they.

    • @agoo7581
      @agoo7581 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I remember a couple of years, some democrat was like talking about the annual softball game they play with everyone in congress and said something like "isn't it great, that even though we have our disagreements, we can put that aside and get together for a fun afternoon?"
      It's nothing but a fucking game to them. Repulsive.

  • @KarlMarcus8468
    @KarlMarcus8468 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think you nailed it with how conservatives would have handled it if the slogan would have been different. They absolutely do that all the time and it's so obvious that it means the best they can do is strawman basically everything they don't take 5 fucking seconds to understand. They're like toddlers, nuance is totally gone from anything they think about until it comes to having to jump through hoops to convince themselves that trump is still a hero fighting the deep state "well you just dont understand trump he had to do all that stuff, you see, it all started in...." give me a break.

  • @montecristo1845
    @montecristo1845 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Politicians are like amateur chefs in the kitchen. We the people are the water which cooks the pasta when you turn on the stove. But if the heat is left on for too long, the pot boils over. The pot lid is the police. They are used to contain crime, rather than solve it. The chef politicians never think to turn down the heat. Just push the lid down harder and hope for the best. Never properly understanding cause and effect. Saying things equivalent to “The water just needs to calm down and be content! Why is it so angry? We need bigger lids! Throw some ice in there, that will solve the problem!”
    It’s just a twist of the wrist, you idiots!

  • @richardbuckharris189
    @richardbuckharris189 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    "The most absurd apology for authority and law is that they serve to diminish crime. Aside from the fact that the State is itself the greatest criminal, breaking every written and natural law, stealing in the form of taxes, killing in the form of war and capital punishment, it has come to an absolute standstill in coping with crime. It has failed utterly to destroy or even minimize the horrible scourge of its own creation." ~ Emma Goldman

  • @greggthomas8980
    @greggthomas8980 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Our local BLM chapter used the slogan "Divest from the Police" which I felt accurately communicated the goals while staying short and snappy. It wouldn't have changed the disingenuous reaction to the movement, but it may have allowed for a softer landing spot for people on the fence.

    • @waleuska
      @waleuska ปีที่แล้ว

      I think that would have the same problem as defund the police. Normal people don't like the idea of taking money from the police.

  • @forstudentpower
    @forstudentpower ปีที่แล้ว +10

    📚 Relatedly, I highly recommend the recent book "Classic Writings in Anarchist Criminology: A Historical Dismantling of Punishment and Domination" published by AK Press in 2020.

    • @genossinwaabooz4373
      @genossinwaabooz4373 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly what I need to help w my research. The current developments in policing looking forward are terrifying.

  • @chriswillis713
    @chriswillis713 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Things I have gotten tired of saying: okay. Let's look at their budget for the police in that area for the last few years and see if this place has actually lowered or defunded the police before this rise in crime. I feel like that's a reasonable thing to ask before assuming the rise in crime is related to defund the police.

  • @NaderNabilart
    @NaderNabilart ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I really appreciate your work. Defunding the police cannot happen without a political platform behind it, but this shouldn't be disappointing nor discouraging. DoD and Police need to take it down a few notches, even if we agree to funnel the extra funding into officers' pension funds. Anything would be better than spending these amounts of money on militarizing the police force by new guns, ammo, armored vehicles and cutting-edge à la mode Israeli training courses on crushing peaceful riots and revolts using deadly force.

  • @Recondite101
    @Recondite101 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    "I'm saying we didn't have *enough* rioters to make it happen" absolutely based.
    Also, one of the biggest talking points I hear for why we shouldn't defund the police is "who would keep us safe if all the police were gone?" But if you research crisis/community response teams where mental health clinicians and paramedics respond to mental health and substance abuse issues, you find that these programs are INSANELY effective. A case study of the S.T.A.R. program in Denver shows that many nonviolent crimes drastically decreased in districts where the crisis response team was deployed. Not to shill or anything, but I covered these programs in a video on my channel.

    • @gamewrit0058
      @gamewrit0058 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ooh, thanks for mentioning it! Added your crisis response vid to my watch later, and subscribed!

  • @the999mann
    @the999mann ปีที่แล้ว +12

    `"They are cowards"
    Yes they are, 100% correct. Absolute G
    Edit: "We didn't have enough rioters"
    This guy is amazing.

  • @garrettblack
    @garrettblack ปีที่แล้ว +30

    One of my biggest fears is the realities of the defunded police movement and the George Floyd riots and basically everything about why 2020 went down the way it did being forgotten. Thank you for making this and other videos.

  • @matthuck378
    @matthuck378 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    If it makes sense, and benefits the most possible people, the right wing will have NONE of it!
    Excellent video as always. Thanks!

  • @Supermonistic
    @Supermonistic ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Knocked another one out the park, 100% agree. Love your videos

  • @cynicthehedgehog385
    @cynicthehedgehog385 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The powerful dont wanna give up their power

  • @_UnknownStory
    @_UnknownStory ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The reason why there is such heavy lobbying for the continuation of police funding is that late-stage capitalists would rather help pay $60,000 a year in taxes (if they pay taxes at all...) per police officer than pay ALL their workers a fair, livable wage. It costs less in the long run, especially with the increase in police equipment / vehicles and training that drills into officer's heads that they will likely be killed every night, so it's "them" against "us." They keep self-preservation at the forefront, instead of serving the public (considering they are public servants...)
    Police immunity doubles down on this, allowing officers (outside of heavy civil protests) to get away with murder or worse. So now we have Robocop / Judge Dredd hybrids running the streets, scared shitless because of indoctrination that everybody is a criminal and everybody has a gun. Body cameras were supposed to stop this, but half the time they "accidentally" get torn off or turned off. And even if the cameras function, they could still have footage and the police will "investigate" and "find" themselves absolved of guilt for technicalities or even just because.
    These capitalists think "who cares if a few workers have to steal to get by? Cops will take care of it for less pay than it takes for my workers to not have to starve. And they are less likely to steal anyways for fear of the police state. If a worker dies of a lack of resources, well, there's a sucker born every second who will also need to eat, and better that they are younger and willing to take shit jobs for shit hours so I don't have to pay for medical."
    Police protect property - never people. Invest in social services and people.

  • @jhazel
    @jhazel ปีที่แล้ว +7

    is the intro song on Spotify so I can listen to several times a day for the rest of my life?

    • @renegadecut9875
      @renegadecut9875  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      My tracks come from a paid subscription archive called Epidemic Sound. Unfortunately, that means most of the music in my videos are behind a paywall. Even if I knew where else to find it, the Terms of Services for Epidemic Sound look so strict that I just don't mess around with that.

  • @con-f-use
    @con-f-use ปีที่แล้ว +3

    > Research shows that criminogenic conditions [...] can be better resolved through equity and education, infrastructure and the reduction of poverty through public housing, universal health-care, greater resources for the un-housed and drug rehabilitation.
    Not to mention accessible child-care, self-governance and gun-control.

  • @monsterhunter4398
    @monsterhunter4398 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    “There are accepted revolutions, revolutions which are called revolutions; there are refused revolutions, which are called riots.” - Victor Hugo, Les Misérables

  • @UlrichTheOmega
    @UlrichTheOmega ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Funny, from the way gop candidates in my district ranted during the debates, you'd think this happened all over the country.

  • @ringo8410
    @ringo8410 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Police abolition is what we need(ed) but the state would never voluntarily give up its monopoly on violence short of revolution.

  • @spuriusbrocoli4701
    @spuriusbrocoli4701 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I live in Boston, MA. & what Democrat Mayor Marty Walsh (at the time, current mayor as of October 2022 is Michelle Wu, tho she voted in support of Walsh's final city budget) did to "defund the police" were some minor cuts focusing on the police accountability office. Yet every single day I see online or hear in real life ppl complaining abt the current state of the MBTA. Wu's loudest policy was that she would make the T free, yet that has at time of writing only been done to a few underused bus lines. For context, police *salaries* -- not total costs, just salaries for cops -- dwarf the city's yearly MBTA budget 3:1. That's three times as much paid into the pockets of cops (who largely aren't even Suffolk County constituents; many, many BPD officers live in Newton). Several of the highest-paid cops make more than the mayor based on overtime hours *they don't even work*.
    & yet my entire life Massachusetts has had a major opioid epidemic. That money spent lining the pockets of cops to arrest drug users could do so much to actually help ppl, like w/ safe-injection sites, city-funded rehab, publicly available narcan, & public housing. & yet we as a city spend more money on cops & prisons & hospitalizing houseless ppl &/or ppl struggling w/ addiction than we do any of the actually evidence-based solutions. I want to be clear that I hate heroin & wish nobody would do it ever. But the last thing anyone struggling w/ opioid addiction needs is jailtime & it's a massive sink on city budgets.
    While it genuinely sickens me how Republicans characterize our capitalist, gentrifying city as a "leftist city", there is at least some hope. City councilor at-large Julia Mejia has abstained from ratifying Mayor Walsh's police budget on the grounds that it didn't actually meet demands to defund the police & has advocated for a mandatory non-compliance w/ ICE officers in Boston. She's not perfect, but Mejia gives me a lot of hope that my immediate community may be capable of change for the good.
    -- Michael-Giuliana
    (they/them)

  • @asdfghyter
    @asdfghyter ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I wonder how well "replace the police" would have worked as a slogan? It points very clearly to an actual action that would solve the problems but at the same time doesn't leave much room for interpreting it as keeping the police around still. The worst misinterpretation I can think of is that it would be seen as just a police reform, where the police is replaced by new police instead of other things.

  • @TwinRiver100
    @TwinRiver100 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    17:18
    does any country have a major party to it's left that is effective and has gotten things done that is currently active that is mainstream?

    • @margotpreston
      @margotpreston ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not any in the imperial core, no.

  • @michaelsantangelo6192
    @michaelsantangelo6192 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Saying that crime is caused by a lack of police is like saying that a headache is caused by a lack of aspirin.

  • @renemies78
    @renemies78 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This video really made me re-think my thoughts on the name of "Defund the police" being the main cause as to why it didn't work. Great videos like always.

  • @shkamarustorm
    @shkamarustorm ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Honestly the Austin, Des Mois cuts just tell me that that was gonna happen anyways, they just wanted to score good boy points with the motion

  • @genossinwaabooz4373
    @genossinwaabooz4373 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I'm from this Minneapolis neighborhood. I do research as part of my work on these issues. I got involved in the neighborhood organization incl the safety commitee years before this all went down...
    Want to point out - crime needs definition overhaul. Cops mostly prey upon poor and ppl of color, & terrorize homeless and use ALPR and other surveillance tech to target ppl who want change. "Crime" is now = poverty & race profile. They will go pretty far to set you up if they can; it's alot of work to keep aware and avoid their efforts.
    The way that tech has been developed and set up to be used (currently + future) by police especially, is nightmare come to life.
    Also - look at "HOTS" teams combined social workers w cops. This is bad.
    Anything can be bad if it's intentions aren't right. Abuse will continue as long as the state has the will.
    PODIWID.
    The purpose of a system is what it does.
    Great video!
    Revolution harder!!!

  • @NAWWMANNN
    @NAWWMANNN ปีที่แล้ว +10

    One little facet of all this that gives me the slightest little shimmer of hope:
    In spite of it being outright rejected by the Dems, (coming as a surprise to literally nobody on the actual left) "Defund the Police" has actually succeeded in very small but VERY important way.
    This slogan alone, just the idea of it and its popularity, has scared the SHIT out of the fascists and parasites within the ruling class.
    Just the mere existence of this catch phrase has shaken them to their core, and every single one of their talking heads has been shakily pearl-clutching ever since.
    We scare the SHIT out of them.
    Even when we are not technically winning.
    They know how powerful we really are.
    They know damn well that the left (socialists, communists and anarchists) have the very real potential to strip them of their precious privilege and unjust authority.
    Imagine the effect we could have on them if we were actually, seriously organized.
    They are TERRIFIED of us.
    ❤🖤❤🖤

  • @johncorvo5520
    @johncorvo5520 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Calling Mutha Tucker as "talking head" is locating the source too far north on his body.

  • @XxSupaBAMxX
    @XxSupaBAMxX ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I don't think I'll ever get tired of that intro

    • @renegadecut9875
      @renegadecut9875  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's just a track from Epidemic Sound, a music archive for content creators.

    • @XxSupaBAMxX
      @XxSupaBAMxX ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@renegadecut9875 I like both the sound and the video

  • @jaesdarkness
    @jaesdarkness ปีที่แล้ว +2

    America is a one-party state. And with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.

  • @DJDiskmachine
    @DJDiskmachine ปีที่แล้ว +4

    In my country, police go to school for three years.

  • @yabadabadont8219
    @yabadabadont8219 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The average tenure for a social worker is 7 years. No one wants to do this shit because working with people who are likely to commit crimes really sucks. Not only for all the reasons you state, but also because it can be extremely gut wrenching.

  • @MikeTooleK9S
    @MikeTooleK9S ปีที่แล้ว +4

    To me its a huge success. So many people are one side or the other now, the gaslight is lifting. Thats huge and can't be taken back. We won't forget who the real police are, or the materialism of it, they need funds to be a gang

  • @echandler9651
    @echandler9651 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Love your vids! so happy I was able to catch this right as it came out :)

  • @Gabykk
    @Gabykk ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am not american but this is the level of reality check on things the USA needs to do if it wants to be great. Anyway, very insightful video, as american politics flavors bleed to the rest of the west...

  • @shane9723
    @shane9723 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Defund the insurance industry

  • @smileyp4535
    @smileyp4535 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    God I hope accelerationism isn't how it goes but it looks like it's happening that way the problem with that is revolutions are bloody and awful and can always fail, it looks like liberals are going to have to become poor for anything to happen we have about 50 years for climate change to become so bad we're done and probably another 20 years for things to get worse and worse until revolution becomes likely. Do what you can to prepare yourself, learn how to defend your and others, if you can learn a trade and get into a union and then get involved in that union and spread class consciousness as best you can
    Edit: there's always hope so don't lose it, we need everyone we can, there is a light at the end of the tunnel, it's just gonna be a loooong tunnel, but that light is always there

  • @LogicGated
    @LogicGated ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All these politicians crying about defund the police while police were receiving usual or even greater funding smh

  • @FinickyVoid
    @FinickyVoid ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't get how these videos are performing so poorly. Wondering if you're just demonitized with a shadow ban or something? Idk. Your scripts are strong, your voice isn't annoying or grating, and you don't make the content about you/to make yourself look good type of shit. I just don't get it. Not that I'll get a response... but are you on good terms with a lot of the other leftist youtubers? I'm thinking Foreign man in a foreign land, Noah Sampson, Mexie and the like? They seem to be creators that excel in community building and sharing in eachother videos. I know you get passed around the RM Brown discord too but he's a much smaller creator. I'm going to keep watching, keep liking, keep sharing and continuey rewatching. I enjoy your content and I really hope you find motivation in that you're putting out important, informative videos that are going to stand the test of time. Much love comrad!

  • @xlxl9440
    @xlxl9440 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know that this HUGE social issue is more thsn branding. BUT....the defund the police slogan wss bad branding. Most same thinking people know what was meant by this slogan. But the masses didn't. And its opposition could and did pounce on the words, disregarding the actual meaning.

  • @inurokuwarz
    @inurokuwarz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why didn't it happen? It's a reasonable idea that would create a more equitable and just society.
    Can't have that, people might get the idea they can push for other good ideas. And then where would we be? Someplace nice to live? No siree bob.

  • @pauljohnson271
    @pauljohnson271 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    God bless you
    Never quit

  • @legendaryvegangaming7761
    @legendaryvegangaming7761 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Missed a golden opportunity to say 'Jercules.'

  • @ImpoForrest
    @ImpoForrest ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wouldn’t say increased gun ownership was a result of paranoia. This was happening as a direct result of the traumatic events you’ve mentioned, and more responsible / educated owners.

  • @Robin-of2jt
    @Robin-of2jt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    absolutely incredulous that police officers get less training than im getting to be a fucking beekeeper

  • @DarkZerol
    @DarkZerol ปีที่แล้ว +13

    My favorite Social Anarchist.

  • @Ellington3
    @Ellington3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    A nuanced view and video. Thank you for clarifying this topic.

  • @khazermashkes2316
    @khazermashkes2316 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I will watch this once I am in a better headspace

  • @Mac9136
    @Mac9136 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this video. This articulation of defund the police has been completely forgotten and lost in the sauce by even people who would otherwise support it. This problem I guess will just get worse.

  • @MrShaclakclak
    @MrShaclakclak ปีที่แล้ว +2

    To people who are lied to constantly, the truth sounds insane.

  • @PapaMagnum
    @PapaMagnum ปีที่แล้ว +18

    My favorite video essayist!!

    • @mickiemallorie
      @mickiemallorie ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "Our" favorite video essayist.

  • @auntijen3781
    @auntijen3781 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why is it that everytime I watch a Renegade Cut video, I think this is the same guy who used to do the fantastic radio all program "New World Notes?"

  • @CodeNameX001
    @CodeNameX001 ปีที่แล้ว

    Study at the Police Academy averages around 17 weeks.
    The average time to graduate college with a law degree is between 3 to 5 YEARS.
    It takes more than twice as long to understand and practice law than it does to "enforce" it.
    Most cops are expected to learn what they need to when riding with a Senior Officer. Who of course, learned everything they do when THEY rode with THEIR Senior Officer.
    And the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was, only 63 years ago. It's only been about 3 or 4 generations since Jim Crow ended.

  • @dreddiknight
    @dreddiknight ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nuance and politics are not easy bedfellows

  • @jayplay8869
    @jayplay8869 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A two party one vision system that literally is the police state miiiight have something to do with it.

  • @timlutton6037
    @timlutton6037 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "arson on structures" would make for an incredible band name

  • @user-ox6oh2zv2s
    @user-ox6oh2zv2s ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10:00 pain

  • @CaptPatrick01
    @CaptPatrick01 ปีที่แล้ว

    I cannot help but think that every single timeline where the protests did succeed in their goals are also the same timelines that saw the balkanization of the United States into 3 to 6 new countries at around the same time.
    There were no outcomes where the police and justice system are fully held to account for their injustices & reformed, _and_ the country remains whole.
    I should note that whether said breakup occurs relatively peacefully through the senate, or through mass bloodshed and civil war is a different question entirely and both are possibilities.

  • @rikmichaels9233
    @rikmichaels9233 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It was a terrible slogan. It should have been “restructure the police” or “demilitarize the police”

  • @mandobrownie
    @mandobrownie ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I agree with basically everything in this video, and the defund the police policies generally, but isn't a 7 percent increase in arson on structures kind of a lot actually? Think about if there was a 7 percent increase in poverty, water shutoffs, muggings, etc., and chances are you wouldn't see a 7 percent increase as nothing. Now, you might still be right that these additional arsons on structures are just not related to any rioting, that they're almost mostly separate from them, but that wasn't really detailed here. The burned down cities point is still, as you say, ludicrous, but a 7 percent change in crimes whose normal variance is less than a percent is something worth being concerned about.

  • @freezoneproject567
    @freezoneproject567 ปีที่แล้ว

    Because the police union and lobbyists have pervasive influence, and half the population's not willingly or able to engage with new ideas.

  • @edwardschneider5194
    @edwardschneider5194 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    but my take is how will they keep the industrial prison complex going? you know that when you lock someone up they are statistically more likely to commit more crimes upon release,... even if they don't get caught

  • @YTWanderer
    @YTWanderer ปีที่แล้ว +1

    14:51
    correction:
    it's not Hercules but JERKules

  • @RebekahSolWest
    @RebekahSolWest ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great analysis. Thanks for making this!

  • @katek1381
    @katek1381 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s a god damn crime you don’t have more views per video. You present the information so well, the production is fantastic, the topics relevant and interesting… I do my part sharing your videos but man fuck the algorithms

  • @itizzano8233
    @itizzano8233 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You got me into politics, and I really appreciate that.

  • @forstudentpower
    @forstudentpower ปีที่แล้ว +1

    18:32 Absolute mic drop sentence, cue the DJ airhorns 💥💥💥

  • @dissonanceparadiddle
    @dissonanceparadiddle ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awww man come on Burnie. I thought you knew better than that😤

  • @astabaker9421
    @astabaker9421 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Might send this to my family to reinforce a recent discussion we had about this...

  • @ninjaboyjoel9183
    @ninjaboyjoel9183 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Excellent as always

  • @grimmgoosegoose216
    @grimmgoosegoose216 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another excellent video ♡ also I have to say, I love your intro music so much

    • @renegadecut9875
      @renegadecut9875  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's just a track from Epidemic Sound, a music archive for content creators.

  • @The_Glasses_Character
    @The_Glasses_Character ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best intro music

  • @ModernRelic69
    @ModernRelic69 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I would have named it "tweak the police" haha!

    • @not_enough_space
      @not_enough_space ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I expect that would have actually been more effective. "Tweak the police" is a bit sassy and playful but not dangerous. And it suggest some kind of changes, which people might naturally ask about.
      In contrast, the people I've talked with about "defend the police" typically interpreted the slogan on their own to mean "reduce the police budget to $0". The only questions it inspired were how a $0 volunteer police force would work and why I'm saying it means something else. After all, it's the activists' own slogan rather than a Republican invention, so the scary interpretation can't be offloaded onto an unfriendly third party.