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- Two years after George Floyd's murder, what's changed for police in America? Federal lawmakers couldn't pass a reform bill, and the few cities that initially defunded their police departments have since increased their budgets. Alexis Johnson looks at the 2020 protests impacted the way cops see their job, and how activists are continuing to push for accountability.
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I live near Baltimore and have met all types of people who have fled the city. None of them ever said that they left because of the police they have ALL said they left because of the criminals.
Police and criminal activity go hand in hand. What are the police doing to combat that criminal activity? Barely anything. That's why people were calling for the defunding.
@@deviantmoore9744 no they defunded the police cus police brutally
and the area they move to the crimes go up....
Nice sidestep that completely ignores the root cause of both WHY there is so much crime, and WHY the police are such a massive part of the problem.
@@deviantmoore9744 what do you want them to do? Infringe on your rights…?
BLM founders living it large though.
Shhhh 🤫 You can't talk about that.
They're the ones getting the last laugh....all the way to the bank.
American anarchy
Not for long!
BLM 99% criminals who think they have a right to steal and plunder PLUS they think if you arrest them - its racist lol
People can’t keep saying “ defund the police” and then are surprised when a police officer takes hours to show up after their emergency call . They are understaffed right now because many cops can’t take it anymore. This is what some of you guys wanted. And it won’t end well . Some neighborhoods are having issues where police offers don’t show up until 2 hours later. You guys asked for this.
Grab a gun and solve your own problem. What do you think happened 400 years ago when policing wasn't globally available? I think cop response time can be over an hour already in large, dense cities, while a law abiding citizen could be at the scene in literal minutes. Most people don't take action because they fear retaliation from the government. As a conservative, I believe the police are a waste of funds to an extent and should have limited power.
So basically saying you can never criticize the police or they'll act like petulant children and not do their job.
@@BadBrucey strawman detected, opinion rejected. Action to defund the police is far different than just complaining about said police genius.
@@Lol-vt2ln LOL. You have no clue what a strawman argument is do you?
@@BadBrucey you literally started the sentence with “so basically saying” and anyone with eyes can clearly see he was referring to people who want the police defunded and not critics as a whole. Your last reply just cries insecure.
"What Happened to the Defund the Police Movement?"
Elections were over, that what happened
Realist comment yet!
The usefull idiots are now expendable.
lets go brandQn 🤪
@@kusho3800 trump lost btw
Bingo!
People who actually care about their community don't like crime. Imagine that. It's up to the community to look within and fix their pathological behavior.
we're talking about a community filled with majority black people here.
Like it or not, these are types who were conditioned *FOR YEARS* to think and act like victims just because they are black and then blame the government or the police for their problems when 99% of their problems are actually caused by their decisions and bad behavior. Plus they even have the gall to claim the pains, trials and tribulations of their ancestors or those before them as their own as if they're the actual victims when in reality they are far better off now than their predecessors.
Barely any or even *NONE* will admit that the crime their is actually *THEIR FAULT* and that the supposed "pOwLeEz bRoOtAaLeEtEe" are actually an after-effect of their misconduct.
If they would for once just drop their "gangstah" behavior and act like normal, well-mannered and behaved people, none of their problems now would even occur.
@@dickmelsonlupot7697
Youre literally the 'Average Citizen who dont know what Defund-the-Police even meansw' that Some-More-News made his video for??
@@loturzelrestaurant
Dude, I'm from the Philippines.
Crime and the shhhtt going on here especially in places like Manila makes what happens in Detroit look like a nursery fight between toddlers.
And even here we know that defunding the police is a stupid idea and that funding them more, funding them properly and making sure the money they get actually gets into the hands of the hardworking officers and for them to get the best equipment our budget can get them is the best solution there is.
So no, shthtt the fckkk up in saying that I don't know shttt when I literally know shhttt far better than you
@@dickmelsonlupot7697 Maybe the black community needs to fix their failed voting habits.
@Fred Freddy What about how all the Experts define it?
Finish the Video 'DEFINING Defund-the-Police' By Some More News and then tell me again it was so dumb.
“Defund the police” was a poorly advised rallying cry to begin with. Way too polarizing, not enough nuance, and was never going to get off the ground. There should have been a movement the likes of “fund our streets” that focused on community investment and restorative services. These streets are too wild for the average suburban voter to entertain “defunding” the police.
If you wanted to sway people away from defunding the police this would be the most persuasive way to do so. I think ppl could retort that a lot of the finances to go into services and restorative help can get sucked up by large militarized police forces but even then you’ve moved the conversation to budget distribution and that’s already constructive
Defunding the police was always associated with funding other services. It never was "defund the police only" the polarization came from people disingenuously talking past each other and tone policing
Ah, nothing a little overlook here and pay no mind there can’t fix right, buddy?😉
Kinda like "Build the Wall"
@@kevincuevas8877 After the first Trump election, you would be kinda stupid not to police your tone even a little bit. Saying "Reform the Police" just invites more people you want to the table, mainly independents, centrists, and only slightly right leaning people. "Defund" did actually mean only that and nothing else for a lot of progressives, or at least enough to cause infighting on the issue.
I remember when everyone was saying the money for police was gonna go to prevention and rehabilitation instead of punishing people. LMAO, how quickly have things changed! I think that might have been the fastest reversal of opinion/policy ever!
It would be... if it were ever implemented or even seriously considered.
It was supposed to go to services who won't shoot people who are ill too. It never was a policy, and it STILL is the opinion of smart people.
@@701delbronx8 Wow, you get the Non Sequitur Award. Congrats!
@@701delbronx8 Redirecting funds from the police for jobs they no longer do, to people who are actually QUALIFIED to do those jobs lowers crime. I'm on the side of reason.
Also we're giving so much money to the police and for what to show for also I think police is more of a reactionary response to crime not really preventative
"defund the police" was the wrong slogan for noticing a valid problem. We need to focus the police's scope of work into actual policing, not doing the stuff that mental health professionals should be doing. Also quotas for traffic violations are a huge problem.
there's zero proof police have traffic quotas...people should be focusing on real problems
The increase in traffic deaths is a huge problem. The laws need to be enforced, sorry you don’t like that.
except the laws are only “enforced” in low-income communities and communities of color
@@alexill Unless you have some form of valid proof your statement is garbage.
City doesnt have that quota, county does. But yes you are absolutely right. But they have no applicants for police or for the potential alternatives to police
It is easy to put blame on one side but we need to look at own community. Our community becomes what we allowed it to become
Stop voting democrat thats a start.
I agree! The communities should band together to end crime. However, the crime has gotten worst. I see less police and more criminals.
@@caaarbz Do you know what Defund the Police even means?
Have you even seen Some-More-News define it?
Exactly. There are way too many black people blaming the issues in the black community on the police or non blacks who don't even live there. Single mother households, Gang initiations and black on black crime is more devastating to the black community than the police or white people in the suburbs. Until people in the black community start realizing that they are doomed. Black people kill each other more than the KKK or the police put together night after night in America. Until that's addressed or recognized there's no hope.
Indeed. Certain communities would much rather put up with sky high crime and violence generation after generation than look at itself in the mirror.
"Defund the police" is a moronic slogan. "Improve and reform policing, with more investment in education and mental health" was too complicated for a quick media soundbite though.
What about the term police reform?
Whoever is coming up with these ill nuanced, and antagonistic slogans within these groups, needs to be reassigned to a different job.
@@itheuserfirst3186 I think they all live in mansion's now and care nothing about your petty problems. BLM scammed people real good.
@@Kick_Rocks I believe they tried that for like 10+ years.. I agree though, that defund the police sounds too extreme.
Nope
The problem with that movement is it was riding on reactions and impulse. It wasn't thought out, its a half-assed plan whose premise went way too far. Even if they weren't actually calling to abolish the police or anything like that, the slogan of "defund the police" comes off as extreme to the average person. It was a poorly-made campaign.
Police arent the problem, thugs are, so more black people died because of police inaction.
No it didn't show about we find how where the idea came from First like where did it come from?
How*
@@softlightlaboratory if English isn't your first language then maybe this subject doesn't involve you
Really!? You're surprised this idea was impulsive and not well thought out!? Now tell me who's the kind of population infamous for their lack of impulse control, that always react with physical violence and go to physical altercations because of the slightest offense! Tell me who are the people that go berserk because of a word! People whose fragility it's so in your face is exhausting! Tell me how this idea wasn't going to backfire!?
Hint hint there was never a problem with policing in the first place
Since "defunding" the police became the trend, many cities are now refunding police budgets due to a rampant increase in crimes and drug abuse. I agree to abuses in many Police dept's needed to be stopped and addressed.
increasing the police budget doesn’t make the community safer, that is a fallacy.
@@jared3519 faxs. But training the police 'correctly' can. You can have all the money in the world, and still have shitty trainin
@@jared3519 What happens is that the far left ignores this security because it would mean suggesting that the police are doing their job, which they are for the most part. Don't get me wrong the police still need reform in a lot of areas to become more well defined and limit unneeded death. But TO REFORM means you need money. Organizations cannot function nor reform at a deficit.
@@jared3519 are you serious? Having a higher budget for the police means more officers which means more time spent policing up bad areas it's not a fallacy regardless of what they tell you on tiktok or Twitter or where ever you kids get your information from nowadays
@@edencastillo4417 where are you getting this information from? What are your sources? I would love to hear your ideas on how to reduce crime in urban areas especially coming from you which I'm willing to bet you are a white person so please enlighten us
Don’t worry in the next election cycle it will come back, and with some new movement. Then some normal person will say they are the leader of that movement and next thing you know they are living in mansions. Communities that need help guess what? They will still look the same while more people get rich. Politicians use tragedies to their advantage. It’s horrible
*looks at profile pic
Yep, you truly understand their situation.
@@Wapak95 look at your profile pic. You truly understand their situation by living in a cartoon right. You have no freaking clue where I grew up. You probably wouldn’t last one day in the neighborhood I grew up in. Don’t pretend you know somebody just because of their skin color. You’re getting mad at me for trying to help. How pathetic of a person are you? You seem like you’re just part of the problem.
Anytime I hear community activist I turn away lol 😂
...Well, that claim is easy to debunk. Here, 'Defund the Police' was defined correctly in the video by 'Some More News' that literally talks about Defund the Police and how people are r/confidentlyincorrect about it - like you are. C'mon, lets test. We both watch the video and then we see.
Women who put "feminist, ACAB" in their tinder bio 😬
Community activists are basically people who have NEVER or can't get a REAL job.
ACTIVIST => Person who makes lots of noise, leaves loads of trash, but feels better about themselves when they return to their normal lives far away from the problem.
Agreed 👍
It got defunded and the criminals got bold. Crime crime and more crime. 😂
Defunding the police means open season on drug dealers rapists murderers. Aka different good guys with guns will deal with the sacs o shyt. 🤷♂️
The problem with "defund the police" is no advocate has ever articulated what it actually entails. Is it simply the moving of some funds away from traditional law enforcement towards alternative crime fighting means, or is it something more ambitious?
This
What's it matter to you if a cop kills someone over a normal everyday citizen is there really a difference or it just "sounds" better to you since it's a cop?
@@four-x-trading5606 If a cop murders someone then it's still murder. How does that affect my point?
@@alexgray2482 exactly
@@four-x-trading5606 You said "killed", not "murdered". There's a big difference between the two. You're not specifying if a cop killing someone is murder or not. Statistically speaking, when a cop kills someone, it is justified. When a civilian kills someone, it is not. Of course there are exceptions, by I am speaking strictly in terms of probability. Cops are placed in positions where they're required to shoot people more often than civilians.
It backfired HARD.
Yup.. people will learn the hard way now.. oh well..
They say it over and over, they dont want police reform, they want community reform and that's what is really needed.
"We dont need more police out there catching killers, we need less killers"
Ray Kelly, direct quote from the documentary.
Unfortunately that isn't somethign the government should be responsible for to an extent. Preventing/Rehabilitating ill-intentioned people lands directly in the laps of their peers. The government/police hasn't failed us, it's the community.
@@biggiesmalls7939 What power would the every-day person have to rehabilitate? I agree it is a communal effort to prevent. However, what's your proposal for rehabilitating? It seems like the community's responsibility would be to advocate and assist in the rehabilitation efforts. To some extent, the gov would need to get involved (If we are talking about creating high quality, community led coalitions, there would be a need for funding. If not, then it would just be effective for a select few or it would be ineffective for all and we'd be in this same situation.) but I agree, it's not the role of the Police. The criminal justice system is not design to rehabilitate in its current form. I am just curious to understand your proposal for how the community could create an effective rehabilitative program.
@@biggiesmalls7939 how is the average community going to do things like reduce pollution (heavy metal poisoning is linked to more violent behaviour), increase job and education opportunities etc. without government funding and support?
@@makslargu5799 I was referring to parenting and being a model citizen.....
Fear of the law, and fear of imprisonment leads to less killers. That's the truth. That's how things have worked for thousands of years. People need to realize this.
This should go down as the single worst slogan to have ever been conceived.
Agreed. The worst slogan after that would be "Abolish The Police."
We need more of this in America
People realized how dumb a blanket statement it is, and that nuance is needed to create a solution that approached reducing crime in the most effective manner.
"Defund the police" and "ACAB" are both terrible slogans and I don't get how people didn't understand this from the start. What did they think the reaction to that would be? I know people who have been in the police force, who have explained some of their concerns and frustrations with their job, as well as the people they deal with (both in and out of the police). I'm not going to demonize an entire profession for the actions of some of their constituents. But I also realize there is corruption and a need for reform. That won't happen if people are split between reform and actually defunding law enforcement though, because they picked an idiotic slogan that doesn't even represent what their supposed goal is.
@@ns8158 this was said in a very articulate way, couldn’t have said it better myself, glad I’m not the only one who feels this way
Wrong
I agree and I think most effective way to deal with crime is to actually take funding from police which on average is about 60 percent of your states budget. Maybe call this defunding police and moving those resources to fix social issues that causes crime to begin with. Like poverty and mental health issues.
TL;DR but just the 1 st paragraph should start helping , the Temperance Movement from the 18th amendment showed us the public is our worse enemy. The law makers gave us actually what the masses wanted. Just like with the crack epidemic and lifetime sentences for crack offenses...
Anyone who has slogan that people are convinced that this simple solution will solve a complex problem, never learned their history. Be it ban police, ban guns, just stop X and no more Y happens sounds great but fails. Look at The "Temperance Movement" that caused the 18th Amendment(one of the worst) lasted for about ten years to fully repealed but during that time made criminals out of many harmless people and activities, it also help create and give us the plague of organized violent crime syndicates/gangs. Because they convinced everyone "if we just banned alcohol it would cure all of society ills" from laziness, to homelessness, to mental health issues, etc.... Which it did not and this lesson is not taught as it should be in history, in school, in the home, in the church, nor from mentor to under educated person. Banning something, to solve a problem seems the easy fix but seldom does it solve the actual problems that what item/group was villianized for.
We have problem that it starts with reforming the police,
fixing the prison system, starting with no more "for profit prisons" that no incentive to have their inmates not re-offend, because that is just a bad business model. Prisons & jails systems are full of scams upon scams that prey on both the community paying for them, the prisoners in the cells, and their families to benefit the corrupt politicians and richer criminals(modern day plantation owners).
Then comes reforming the mental health system which badly needs that, where patients are "cured" or in remission right when their insurance limits are reached.... Their is an anti-psychaitry movement(all medical issues have anti- movement/group except this one is not about the disease/disorder but about the abuse they endured while trying to get help in the psychiatric system. If you think strip searching sexual assault victims that are mental health patients in a mental health crisis while being admitted is going to do anything but make them worse, you are part of the problem and not smart enough to be in solution discussions. The mental health system is badly broken and has always been. The only real progress we have made is some on "that is ok to need help" but getting help will instantly bar you from employment in many professions. Going through a divorce and seeking mental health help & support can endanger or end a pilot's career, for just one example If you haven't been through divorce and/or been in battle in court for yourself, you have no clue how abusive and toxic that crap is.
Then we still have to fix poverty issues.
There is so much that is corrupt and rotten in all the systems, it will take massive undertaking of each to fix the issues. We don't need institutions to lock up people with issues, we don't need to force them on dangerous and unsafe medications, serious medications that have suicide and homicide has black box warnings on them are legal. That is how bad the FDA corruption is... So pile on yet another ""system"" that needs vastly over hauled. We need people to grow up being safe and not develop mental health problems from just living in the USA....... We have generations that will have life long issues from the systems that went corrupt.
Court is the power check we have with civil and criminal juries and nullification of laws, but people always try to get out of jury duty. Leaving only those too stupid to come up with an excuse and/or say something to get disqualified or a person that says all the right things because they have an "ax to grind" and will use that juror position to do it....
Which none of the issues stay in the news cycle because we the public quit caring if we continuously keep hearing about it all the time, unless there is emotional manipulate behind the messages. Politicians engaged in disgusting acts and gerrymandering , along with dancing around on the soap box with fresh corpses only to farther their political career.... They don't actual care to fix the issue, and will change the view if the polls don't show enough percentage increases with numbers holding....
It was a horrible, ridiculous, awful idea…that’s what happened.
No stats to back up any claims made in this video. The only stat listed at 4:17 was a slingshotted stat from WP. But that stat is cleaver to not point out how many of those were against an unarmed individual. Year in and year out that stat hovers around a total of around 30 ppl total. Not 1k plus.
Exactly 💯💯💯💯💯
It is as if they want it to look that the bad policemen are killing 1k innocent kids
So that they can get some people to hate the heros who protect us
We don't talk nearly enough about psychologically SCREENING police. If a bully become a cop so he can bully more viciously but with impunity, you're not going to TRAIN him to be better than that. You can train him on HOW to de-escalate a situation, but you can't train him to WANT to.
Great point!
Oh Shut up. You also have the Hero complex who joins, the goody-two shows, the overbearing feminist too! WHO gets to be a cop, huh? Who decides? That's a whole different kind of discrimination
@@timberwolfe1645 You opened with "shut up" and then argued that any form of screening is discrimination. I don't know even know how to communicate with people operating down on your level.
PD's have an ever shrinking pool to choose from due to their vilification and lack of nuance in judging specific cases so good luck with getting better candidates.
It's a white supremacist organization that has it's origin in catching escaped slaves. Its top leadership is full of bigots and murderers. It doesn't matter if you're a 'good guy' going into the police. They are there to oppress marginalized people and protect the rich.
Better policing is something that we have to work on. In the US we deploy police as the only answer for everything. The police only have one tool which is law enforcement. They aren't the answer to most problems and they are not equipped to deal with issues beyond law enforcement. The money needs to go to the best training, background checks, wages, equipment, mental health resources for officers, and research for combating crime, not more guns and other bad investments. We can't expect the best when we are not making it a priority to have high standards and provide them with the tools to be the best police they can be.
Part of the solution I think is the adoption of peelian principles
@@davidqbs Most police departments never even heard of the principals.
@@davidqbs Peelian principles?
This would be nice but our fucked up government wont do this. They rather keep the money for themselves.
@@JYYB Oh yeah!
As Eminem would say...
They had to "SNAP BACK TO REALITY"
This movement was all child’s play and it was made out of emotional impulse. Lol who was going to answer for their robbery at the bank or at home? Without police there would be chaos everywhere and people free to do whatever they wanted.
What happened to it⁉️
Simple answer is Democrats were forced to realize how stupid the idea was to begin with, and Poll numbers are more important.
This is B.S. police should be feared and not be joke. The police should instill a chill and fear amongst the criminals and anti socials.
It's a good point..
I live near Oakland and what I have seen when police are thinned out is a city that is falling apart. Oakland didn't defund police, but the bad press and hatred for them caused many to retire and quit and turned off a lot of potential candidates from becoming officers. There are now around 600 officers when there is a need for 1,000. Add to that the law policies that seem to give criminals more rights than regular citizens and the city is becoming cow dung. I have lived in high crime cities like Birmingham, Atlanta, Baltimore, and New Orleans. But I was never fearful in those cities like I am in Oakland because I knew what I could and couldn't do, even in bad parts of town. But in Oakland, criminals have gotten so bold and fearless (since they know there is not enough police and know that law consequences are weak) that they are doing things that couldn't be imagined several years ago and the measures that someone can take to protect himself/herself are getting less and less.
It’s accountability that’s needed.
The police always investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing. They lie to the public and local and national media outlets spew their propoganda. They aren't being held accountable 99.99% of the time. They need to be defunded.
@@grady7420 Defund the police was the single stupidest “campaign” ever. Crime has sky rocketed.
I realize they are not held accountable, that’s why I believe it should change!!!!
Cold africa is cringe.
@@nunyanope4988 an increase in police budgets won't decrease crime. Eliminating poverty will reduce crime
@@bald_flop8063 Nobody said it would.
That doesn’t change the crime rate today.
Defund the police movement is dumb.
I believe in our freedoms. If folks think we should defund/disband the police: Let's create a list of their names & addresses. If they call for emergency services: we don't waste time/money.
Heres a wild idea, if you dont want a bad interaction with police. Dont be stupid and do crime.
Everyone should be able to live
Defund? I've been a cop for almost 20 years...I got a great raise and a great pension just around the corner. Sorry Folks...not my job to teach you right from wrong...I'm just the consequence.
Well, that claim is easy to debunk. Here, 'Defund the Police' was defined correctly in the video by 'Some More News' that literally talks about Defund the Police and how people are r/confidentlyincorrect about it - like you are. C'mon, lets test. We both watch the video and then we see.
People: defund the police
Government: ok but crime will go up
People : defund the police
Also people : omg we made a mistake please we need more policing
Exactly!
So left wing
Please stop with the black people are oppressed
Defund the police had a severe negative effect on the morale of police officers. That is why so many from San Francisco,Seattle, Los Angeles, Portland and Oakland quit. No wonder why crime has sky rocketed in these cities. This is what happens when you give in to mob mentality versus common sense.
Cops need to get rid of their bad apples...they dont, and thats the problem
Hiring people is not the answer .do you these cities...start giving people some hope in this country...like jobs.affordable housing ect..
If I was a policeman and I went to a call, and everyone started yelling at me, I would just say, ok, no problem, you figure it out!
Then I would leave.
The looks on their stupud phukkin faces would be priceless.
There should be independent audits of these MASSIVE budgets. They include new police facilities, police gear, cars, and tons of other things. That’s great. But they also need to include training, employment opportunities for the community, and direct investment in the community. There is a lot of work to be done all over but the amount that these federal, and local governments bill and set aside in these budgets is enormous. Who is paying for it, and how is it helping the average citizen. With the amount of money they collect, budget, allocate, year after year, you could of built a lot of stuff. Fix a lot of issues.
No, more money should be invested into schools, books, computers, supplies, food, etc for the youth and community. Why do the police need newer facilities, gear, and cars when they’re already fully militarized? they need to be defunded
You're welcome to conduct them yourself. Submit a few FOIA requests and you've got yourself an audit.
@@KingTrizz That's pretty much what OP said dude
@@RepEvox The obvious solution is to have fucking social workers handling social programs, and curtail the police to actually protecting and serving the public, which is what they should have done in the first place. But noooooo, Bumfuck, AZ just has to have their APC's.
this insane police equipment is just an end result of the military-industrial complex that wants to sell more of its products by shipping off its leftover products to the police. And local governments are often invested in the military-industrial complex in one way or another.
Baltimore has a high crime rate, well above the national average. I’m sure this police chief will reduce that and truly make Baltimore residents feel safe 🙄
You're assuming having more funding for the police will somehow lower the crime rate but this has yet to even be seen.
@@jghifiversveiws8729 This entire video is assuming defunding the police reduces crimes and increases income mobility for people of color. Which remains to be seen
I wonder what the common denominator is with all these cities?
People against Defund the Police: If we defunding them, who you would call when there's tragedy like mass shooting?
When mass shooting happens: ..........
Apparently not the Uvalde PD. Call the border patrol.
Police officers are not obligated to protest citizens. And that’s congress baby! Look it up
Well I guess it depends on whether the government planned and coordinated the school shooting… if so, you aren’t getting help from anyone.
@@jessimint9528 It makes me wonder what the purpose of militarizing them If they are not even obligated to fight baddies? They are only obligated to 'investigate' afterward, which Sherlock can do with only magnifier.
@@pepperonish but who would stop the parents who want to save their kids if not the police?!
That opening shots of Baltimore. Nothing has changed since The Wire filmed there.
I have friends and family members that are police and that job sucks.
What happened, was the opposite happened
Police is to crime what ICU beds were for COVID. The more COVID hospitalizations happened, the more ICU beds you needed. Having more ICU beds didn’t prevent COVID hospitalizations. Once you address the cause of COVID hospitalizations and it begins to reduce, then the need for ICU beds will reduce. Same for crime and police.
Police are more akin to COVID itself than they are to ICU beds.
Well said
Will VICE report on the BLM scam? Will those that donated money, receive refunds?
To protect and serve is an oath and a paid for service so when service hasn't been rendered who will refund the public tax payer's?! Fohs..
I had a stroke reading this
THIS ***
@@RepEvox If you're a cop, you had better damn well be sure you are ready to run into a school to stop a mass shooting or be ready to hand in your badge.
As a European who would like to see America progress its sad to see how stupid the Dems were to run with such a bad slogan.
Europeans colonized, enslaved, and committed genocides on every piece of land they ever stepped foot on. European countries are still sabotaging sovereign nations as we type preventing “progress” and sending any country with natural resources back to the stone age.
Worry about your own corruption pal. It’s deeper than politics.
@@mygumsnumb LOL Most Europeans were colonised by other Europeans, British, Russian, German, Austian Empires etc. Take your Opression Olympics someplace else.
"Defund the Police" is one of the worst slogans I have ever heard in my entire life and I say this as someone who earnestly advocates for police reform.
I know some people are mean as *"partially* defund the police" but that is such an unintuitive understanding of the phrase. Like when people say "defund Planned Parenthood" they aren't thinking "partially defund Planned Parenthood", they want the entire thing to be defunded. The average person thinks the same thing about "Defund the Police" and it turns people against your cause because society needs some kind of law enforcement.
As a result, I think the slogan "Defund the Police" did more harm than good and it's a tragedy the serious issue of policing reform got bogged down by a bogus slogan. Not to mention that reform and more training requires *more* money. Even if you partially defund the police, you're just making the problem worse because now your taking an imperfect institution and squeezing it for cash. Do you think a badly funded police is going to be more productive than than a well funded policy?
And the guy in the video said it himself, defund was an "immediate" word meant to incite a reaction. It was a reactionary word. But reactionary responses are often emotional and not well thought out. To make actual change, you can't have a reactionary response, you need to have intelligent, rational, and nuanced responses. Defund the police was never going to last because all it did was capture the anger of the moment, and change seldom comes from an immediate, angry reaction.
Same here. It's evil to the nth degree. Who hurts the most, the inner city.
People realized it was a ridiculously ignorant thing to push and once crime started to skyrocket 200% they realized how moronic that view is.
Trump lost
@@asecretturning ???????? The sky is blue, so what.....
people dont wat to be police, because police are such a dangerous job and are hated by a large portion of the population. That is why the requirement are so low. So first step is honoring and appreciating the police more, so more people will want to become police. As long as police is not respected, police will attract people that are bad at the job. Or not enough poilce officers, which leads to a worse job being done.
When will they address the elephant in the room. Federal government has funded many of these cities in need. The funds disappear with city leaders. There are usually no repercussions from this.
Seen 'Defining Defund the Police' by 'Some More News'?
There are many issues that are associated with crime. Having the father out of the home, bad schools, drugs in the community, and more. While crooked police are definitely an issue it is nowhere near the issues that plague different communities around the US
It is one of the issues. An unjust justice system creates more crime by default.
If you will defund the police then I better buy a ar 15 to defend myself from bad people
It ended because it was a stupid fucking idea
Lol, so true. Crime is out of control now
I’ve heard this argument before “at some point” which means not now not ever. Because doing the right thing is always right now.
investing in primary schools won't improve the quality of your graduates until the people who were in that primary school have graduated.
Now there’s more killings then ever before 🤦🏽♂️
The U.S has an ethos of quantity over quality, with some of the poorest police training in the western world. Until that changes, & screening develops higher standards, nothing will change.
That massacre of innocents hit different when you can verify you’re the only one you know of that escaped.
Poorest police training in the western world? Lmao what western world are you living in bud? Name one western country has more brutal criminals than America.. I’ll wait. Police from any other western country could NOT handle crime in America. They couldn’t. You left wing knuckleheads are so silly and deluded.
if they did really defund the police or got rid of police all together in the country it would make Tijuana Mexico look safer than any city in the usa
Yahtzee!
Cops are useless. They proved that yet again this week.
@@linat5671 right okay...lol you say that now while we have police on the streets. If they weren't there, you'd be screwed.
@@linat5671 if they’re back out, thats a court issue, not the police. You think police officers are happy with seeing criminals back on the street after spending hours apprehending, possibly fighting, and doing reports on them? And if they don’t show up, it’s because of the staffing shortage and precedence and severity of other calls. They aren’t magic. They’re humans and have human limitations.
@@linat5671 true
Race grifters will always be with us
Uvaldes well-funded police department stood by for 50 minutes while children were slaughtered. Instead, they stopped parents from saving their kids lives. *That* police department should be defunded.
@@RepEvox maybe because they didn’t went inside Alec?? Don’t you think it makes sense to police to go inside, while keeping the parents out? Well police let kids die by not going in and one mother had to “trespass” to save her kid, because the police wouldn’t. Now they want to give better armor vests to those useless officers.
@@RepEvox It’s not “a surface level” statement though. OTHER law enforcement had to get in because the law wouldn’t. Why do Uvalde police deserves more funding but re insercion programs, mental health programs, etc don’t?
@@RepEvox dumbazz,if they can't save people,then why fund them,it's like saying leaders are not there deal with problems,they waiting for god
The truth was that it wasn’t popular, the idea of reform was popular, but by making “defund” the core part of it people blamed all the crime they saw around them on this movement that they saw as getting rid of cops, and it’s support is mostly gone now
Keep voting Democrat!😂. Ain’t it great?😂
People who created the slogan "Defund the Police" were incredibly dumb. They should have used the words "Partial re-direction of police funds". This wording would not have scared anyone. Defunding, on the other hand, sounds more like: "Let's get rid of safety and let the gangs rule our streets!"
1:07 it's not surprising at all honestly. Maybe from the perspective of some suburban kids who've never had to actually deal with high crime rates. Some type of police reform makes a lot of sense, but literally de-funding the police is completely counter productive
Facts
It's the police that are responcible for the high crime rates in the vast majority of low income neighborhoods in the first place.
Defund the police was the stupidest idea ever
"police don't prevent crime" HUH? So if there were far few police or none at all, would crime go up? Yes. Do they think about what they say?
Go tell that to those parents in Texas. Cops exist to protect economic capital and the interest of the ruling class not to protect random poor citizens who don't have enormous capital or the political and social control of an entire nation.,
Don't show up to prevent crime they show up after the crime has been committed
Police don't prevent crime, they respond to it. Post the whole quote, not just the cherry picked BS.
@@margotpreston Police do prevent crime. To say they don't is dishonest.
@@xXG3TPWNEDXx People will commit crime regardless if police are present.
For everyone talking bad about police. The defund movement did assist in getting rid of thousands of police officers. Now you can apply and be the change you claim can be made from your keyboard.
That would involve volunteering for a dangerous job that people actively attack
You just made that up. They have actually increased funding.
In this case no one will be safe anymore 🥲
For more than 30 years, I've worked with patients suffering from mental illnesses. I even ran a medical mobile unit that provided free mental health services. The infrastructure required to effectively provide for those suffering from profound, chronic mental illnesses, is not in place (adequate housing, follow-up, trained professionals, peer-support, police-clinician inter-training, etc.). Also, the highly dysfunctional family dynamics in some of our Black urban communities, have GOT to be successfully addressed as a root cause of mental illnesses.👋🏽👨🏾⚕️
What a messed up place, and it seems to be getting worse every day...
They realized it's insanely stupid
The money got stolen and wound up in the pockets of people who run minority neighborhoods. Again.
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Just like all the blm money..
Defending the police is dumb for anywhere but Especially Baltimore Which is where I live. I know that Corruption is rampant and it runs deep. We need more police of a better quality
It takes more funding for training, which is what they need.
Lol they realized they needed the police
Wow Vice really doing their part to get it going for the midterms🙄😂
"what happened to the defund the police movement?"
we're still here. we've been here. mainstream new outlets just forgot about us the second they could find a more "entertaining" story.
Also, it was coopted and twisted and made impotent by liberals who didn't want any systemic change from a system that they benefit from.
i have never seen a worse newsletter then vice news please for the love of god just stop making videos/posts
You got that right! People need to wake up!
I really wish they would shut down the police or a whole month in this country. At times people don’t realize something until its gone 🤷🏽♂️
People don’t want them to be 100% gone (most people) they are tired of police working against the common folk. It really is the simplest way I can explain you why policing is wrong on so many levels in the USA. Around 6 months it takes to become a police officer legally. You can display hate speech attitudes, and nothing happens.
In the uk all people m9an about is how the police stop illegal drivers and pull over people with unsafe vehicles,people that are speeding, drivers with no insurance..... for us it seems its an out right war on people that drive, all people ever tell the police 'Solve real crimes ' despite the fact the police are preventing loss of life due to people breaking the law.
As for police shootings in the uk my brother was shot by police, unarmed because someone saw him preparing an airaoft pistol through his front room window and they called armed response. Before he had a chance to do anything they shot him
@@pascualsmithvaldes9038 a lot of protesters will disagree😹😹
@@pascualsmithvaldes9038 acab,abolish or defind the police,now what refund😹😹
@@pascualsmithvaldes9038 democrats used people to get biden
I'm obsessed with the people who are so confident that defund is the wrong answer but can't ever face that discussion or back up their position when challenged.
Just look at Portland Oregon. That is the perfect example of how defunding the police does NOT WORK! Now there definitely needs to be a lot of procedures that change within the police department in the US, from how they interact with locals, who they hire, ECT. but defunding is not the answer
@@TheTouchdownWithDougSmith the first Google result for "Portland defund" is how they added funds back already, last year. Once again, every argument against defund is incredibly misinformed and loosely anecdotal to make an argument about a system not working when we haven't even actually tried the proposed solution you're making out to be a failed case.
@@audhdylan I hear what you’re saying bro, I feel like it needs to be a healthy balance. A few years ago I lived in Raleigh North Carolina and while it has many big city problems that comes with having a major population, a big reason that they have low crime and not as much of a need for police is that they invested in education. For example, if you live in a lower income section of town like Southeast Raleigh, your child will automatically go to a magnet school and receive the same education as kids on the northside. This results in Raleigh being one of the safest cities in America. Now is education to fix all? No because there’s still an issue of fatherlessness in these communities, Which then leads to prison reform which I 1000% support. But overall, I do support police reform if it’s done the correct way, but I think that many cities are struggling with not only that but how to attack all of these issues at the same time
@@TheTouchdownWithDougSmith there is of course more to the solution. Training, reorganizing, etc. But to reject defund is counter productive. We spend more time litigating the slogan than recognizing that so many other things are constantly "defunded" with less argument around its merits. Health programs, social security, education, disability services, etc are all defunded regularly when the one thing that is recklessly and extremely overfunded is off limits to even discuss in such a capacity.
@@audhdylan You are revising your statement. Defunding police budget in cities (not cutting... defunding) has unilaterally led to MORE crime and at exponential rates. What you are describing is reallocation of funds, using money better and more effectively. That is not defunding. So your opening statement is actually not the argument you are representing. You may want to change the wording.
Its just happened in Illinois, they got their wish, the Purge has begun
The answer is not to defund the police.. the answer is to train police longer. Police academy is only a couple months. If that was extended to at at least a 6 month minimum, I believe policies and procedures would be better learned and used in the line of duty.
For every situation with a police response, laws should be referred to. Unless, the situation is an active shooter situation.
Secondly, police make people feel safe. They don't make areas more safe.
Makes some people feel safe, not all.
You will never make a people feel safe if the city they live in is unsafe or the area or the town or even the road. When the emphasis is on the criminal and the people suffer? No sir you will never have a population that feels safe.
@@briancarey1159 Hypothetically, a city, town, or area can be surrounded by 50 feet high and 20 feet thick concrete , facial recognition cameras everywhere and some people will still come up with reasons why it is not safe. It drives funding. You have to understand all variables and factors of "safe"
Baltimore is dead !! Move ..
Many street crimes can be solved by healing the black family. 💯
The single black mother rejects this.
The sons of single black mothers are last in every metric that's good and first in every metric that's bad.
All I know is as a black man I raised my three myself and they're all very successful and I try my best to be accessible to young black people because just a damn smile from me may be the only fucking smile they got all week !!!!!
If someone got indicted for tax fraud that means they were using Street money somehow someway
I think we realized defunding the police isn't the solution.
No one with a brain should have had "to realize" it. Anyone WITH a brain KNEW immediately this was the most stupidest and INSANE idea that was EVER created by the Dems and Libs.
Did vice news get defunded
My Indian cousin has been living in New York for quite some time now.
I asked him about this topic almost 1 year ago and he told me that he has never met a single policemen who treated him badly or did anything racist.
Why only one group of people is having difficulties with Police out there?
Defunding the police is such a retar**d decision.
Because that one group as you call them are the criminals of this society and their crackhead buddies
@SincerelyMe training is the main problem. In most countries a handful of police officers with guns would have solved that situation in 15 mins max but the fact that a lot of US police have guns yet don't know how to deal with situations like uvalde due to not having the proper training
May I ask, whose this “one group of people” you are referring to? I’m just here to listen🤓
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@@Trendsetter5420 Of course i was referring to Black community, Everyone knows about it. Indians and Asians rarely get in trouble with American police.
Member when cops across the nation essentially stated, in response to public outcry to their abuses, they'd stop policing?
So crime went up since then, eh?
We never learn, do we.
Liberals: Defund the Police!
Me: Cringe take, but if there is gonna be less police, I might as well buy a gun for self-protection.
Liberals: You should not own guns! More Gun Control!
Me: What, how am I supposed to protect myself?
Liberals: I don't know. Call the police.
Repeat.
It failed like most regressive policies , more policing protects communities ( especially those communities that commit more violent crime)
literally false lolo we have been hearing this since the nineties. All more policing does is eat away at city budgets while poverty continues to march throughout the community cause the city has no money to curtail it with social programs cause the cops ate 40% of a budget or more in some cities. Poverty creates crime. Your solution literally creates more crime lol which is why reactionary politicians with financial and political investments in our police state keep spewing those same talking points you just spewed after every police shooting.
More armed agents of the state patrolling the streets is the regressive policy mate.
Unfortunately, the word "defund" was made synonymous with decrease the amount of police. It was not a new concept and was used as a way to rebuild police departments long before George Floyd. And it was successful. One dept. in NJ defunded, their words exactly, and before Floyd. They had every cop reapply for their jobs. It got the bad ones out who had bad reputation with the community and things got 100% better.
In NYC, many, many years ago. there was a special department of officers trained in dealing with emotionally disturbed persons. They were Godsend. So what happened to it? Scraped by budget cuts in the city, not in the NYPD. MH budgets are the first to be cut across the country. I know this first hand.
Community policing is one answer. Put resources in that. Institute task forces with special police with training in MH with MH services available to the persons in need. Examine use of police monies. Any going to meaningful stuff like yearly psych testing of officers, examination of their records regarding civilian complaints, provision of MH services for police that would not be entered into their employee files (many cops will tell you that they want services but they are scared it would be in their files and used against them.
So perhaps defund was an unfortunate term that had many meanings to people. But on the whole, people saw it as decreasing police officers.
Really? A great Frued session will diverse the violent situation? Wake up. We don't live in a world that some peacemaker shows up and throws some holy water and a blessing over someone. Good for you if you live there and think lawless is the way to go. The Wild Wild west revalitized..
Stupidest movement ever
"Defund" as in less money for Military grade weapons such as A.R.s while using existing budgets towards police training that doesn't include Cop Vs. Civilian in every interaction. If you've never been disrespected/ harassed by the police whether right or wrong, no one expects you to understand. BTW ... way too many Police trolls in this comment section. Remember "Innocent until proven guilty." Most migrants and tourists in US major cities aren't taught about slavery and Jim Crow, so you can't possibly comprehend.
should've probably changed the slogan then, with a phrase like "defund the police", its bound to fail socially and politically.
@@jeff-nz3ij it's Not a 'slogan,' it's an Outcry! Stop Murdering unarmed civilians!
The FED has lost it and the sad fact is it's pretty obvious we are headed for hyperinflation.i think stores better have tight security because when people can't afford to feed their families, things might get ugly.
If they want less killings in there community.... why don't they improve there community.
You guys are killing eachother.
Bless this man doing HARD ASS WORK! These are not easy problems to tackle and im so thankful to see some people stepping up to do it!
He says he doesn’t know that Floyd or Taylor is wrong but those events were clearly wrong. (The police commissioner I mean)
BLM 🗑️🗑️😂