Did you see the incident the other day of the police officer who flipped a pregnant woman's car on the highway even though she was following the law by slowing down, putting her hazard lights on, and looking for a safe place to pull over?
Yeah, she was complying, she would've likely pulled over at the next exit and stopped somewhere like a gas station, the officer should've been fired and I hope the woman's lawsuit sticks
that make me extra sick. i remember before i learned how to drive over fifteen years ago, that if you were getting pulled over at night, you, especially if you were femme, had the right to find a lit place to pull over, like a gas station for your own safety.
I've often used this as an argument against people who believe that America has more "freedom" than other nations. Where I live, it's not legal for the police to kill me.
@@Riddickisawesome101 New Zealand. Recently, there was a trial here where three cops were charged after a man died in custody. The man had simply taken an overdose of drugs and alcohol (at around the same time as cops were called because he was beating up his partner). The police didn't know what he'd taken, thought he was drunk, and just left him in the cells to sleep it off. No evidence that they were violent towards him. They just picked him up and carried him after he passed out in the back of the car. He still died. The three arresting officers were put in trial for manslaughter. They were acquitted, presumably because the jury found that they did not play a part in causing his death, but they were put on trial because they didn't follow procedure. They were supposed to give him regular medical checks, and they didn't. They are no longer cops. I can't find an equivalent case in America where police would be fired and charged over a suspect dying from an OD in the cells. The expectation here is that they had a duty to keep him alive.
Thank you for addressing the "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear" argument, it's something that is still used a lot, even from people who could be victimized by it, in regards to sacrificing your right to privacy from the state.
The Supreme Court rules the police have no obligation to do either, though I would argue they have a moral and ethical obligation to do so. It could be argued that they are supposed to serve and protect the public at large. If the public is being harmed or threatened, the good of the public outweighs the good of the individual. Again, that's my interpretation; what do you think?
I think what needs to be talked more about is police interrogating mentally ill, autistic and also deaf/hearing impaired people because as someone who's all three, it never ends well for me and even worse for others who are in those groups.
And then there's the fact that many of these situations shouldn't be handled by the police, anyway. Why are police and not, say, medical professionals or social workers, doing welfare checks?
I've known deaf people to put signs on their car windows telling officers that they're deaf and won't be able to follow commands correctly. Imagine having a disability and constantly being afraid of getting pulled over because there's a non-zero chance a cop will just murder you the second you fail to comply without a second thought.
Yup. My husband has worked with the neuro divergent population in our area for decades, in many capacities- when he worked in assisted and independent living situations, he had to deal with neighbors or other staff who were ignorant af calling cops for melt downs etc. It was awful every time and he always says he can't imagine what would have happened without him or another good advocate there. As a matter of fact a situation like this precipitated us moving out of a county and hom finding a job w/a different agency because of 1) the agency's policy to involve police in unnecessary situations and 2) local cops turning the situation into them wanting to know what my (large, tattooed, long haired Salvadoran) husband did to be able to afford the 10 yr old BMW he was driving. Smh.
On a different note, it bothers me how in a lot of films and TV shows, they glorify police or detectives breaking rules to catch the “bad guys”, like breaking into private homes, planting evidence, or stealing possessions. Like, that is illegal too! And it makes police seem justified in doing it in real life, which is NOT true.
@@Fr0stbite1801 The worst thing about it, the clearest origin of this trope - Judge Dredd, based on various Dirty Harry esque characters, was supposed to be a satire. Now it's a fucking goal it seems.
Same folks who’ll defend accused sex traffickers in congress by saying “innocent until proven guilty” have no problem with cops executing suspects without trial because “they shouldn’t have resisted”. They often confuse the court of public opinion with the court of law too.
loaded questions are so hard for neurodivergent people. we take things so literally. i have gotten myself in trouble by being unable to think quickly when under pressure to understand i'm being tricked like this. i spit out an answer, then realize what i said, panic, & try to talk back out if it. it's purposeful manipulation, because the idea is, "if you didn't do anything wrong, you wouldn't be so nervous." at least for me, as a person experienced a lot of trauma & manipulation, this is very false. i am consistently a ball of nerves.
I was watching Cops last year when it was still airing and one of the most common questions police asked each suspect was "Why you so nervous?" Because they're in the presence of a potential bully, obviously.
Neuro typical people are weird in general. Say what you mean! Don't get mad at the other person because you're being vague and you expect everyone to read your mind. Do I look like Jean Grey?
Even when I know I'm doing nothing wrong, my hear starts beating harder and I get nervous just to drive past a cop, let along speak to one or be interrogated by one. Even if I was completely innocent, I'd be nervous as hell! Oh and NEVER listen to the police that you look guilty for refusing a lie detector or refusing questioning without a lawyer present. There's a reason lie detectors can't be used in court, and there's a reason you have a right to not be questioned without a lawyer. USE THOSE RIGHTS!!! Even if you're innocent!!
Do you know of any English language YT channels where I can see and learn more about this? I read the world news in English daily but a lot doesn't get adequately covered.
Police are, by their very nature, an institution of violence. They use violence to enforce the will of the state. The fact that people expect such an institution to be capable of mellowing out is... odd.
Under no circumstances should you speak to the police! They are not your friends and talking to them can only hurt you. No one talks their way out of trouble but many talk their way into it.
surely not speaking to police, though a constitutional right, could be considered non-compliance and hence a “reason” for police brutality. it’s a lose lose situation all around
@@imParisthoee the only thing you're required to give them is your name, identification, maybe address. Other than that, nothing. But ya I get what you mean that if you're out in the real world and its just you and the cop, you run the risk of that cop getting frustrated or angry and lashing out because you refuse to answer other questions. Which in their mind is misconstrued as "non compliance" when this is actually the law. . So many cops seem to have not even a basic level understanding of the rights of the citizens they're supposed to "protect." I think that should be mandatory in their police training.
@@doperagu8471 If they didn't want to brutalize people they would not have become cops. Only a complete psychopath would become a cop in this day and age.
"If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear." Ah yes. The same argument used by my abusive ex when he was trying to justify going through all of my texts and emails. A perfectly reasonable statement that's only ever used by rational people who mean you no harm.
Also used by authoritarian governments all over the modern world (including in many so-called "democracies") to justify everything from arbitrary searches, seizures, arrests, interrogations, etc. to today's global surveillance system. And the two things are very connected. Rationalization of dominance relations. Any chimp would recognize it.
The idea that I’ve thought of is if someone resisted arrest and is not killed, do you think the person should be out on death row? No? Then the justification of “don’t resist arrest” is BS
The more i think about it, the more i realize that relationship between the police and the general public is too similar to a very abusive romantic relationship
Yep. Every time someone dies after being shot in the back by the cop the conversation is always about how the VICTIM could have avoided it and not how the person with the gun could have just chosen not to shoot. Its the logic of all abusers. "Look what YOU MADE ME do."
Multiple times, I've been stopped on the street by the police thinking I "match the description" of someone that did something. I'm 5'7", stocky, and bearded since high-school. Why do I always fit the description of tall, skinny and clean shaven. Maybe it's skin tone.
I'd like to talk about how police use pain compliance to engineer the appearance of resisting. I have a background in submission grappling and a host of other martial arts and so often I notice that cops will crank shoulder locks and wrist locks to the point where it's impossible to not resist them because the body will instintively protect itself from joint injury. I see this in videos all the time and always with the eternal refrain of "stop resisting!". It's no more possible to cease struggling in those circumstances than it is to temporarily shut off a portion of your nervous system but it plays so well for the cameras and I legitimately hate it. If the general public knew how much engineering of these types of situations took place than I think they'd have a very different perspective on videos of struggling arrestees on the verge of debilitating shoulder, elbow, wrist and neck injuries.
For a good example of this, watch the video where the cop in Colorado dislocated the shoulder of an elderly woman with dementia - all while telling her not to resist (she literally wasn't resisting, unless he was just referring to the fact he had to strain a bit in order to dislocate the joint). Disgusting.
That's one of the first things I thought of, too. The cops screaming "stop resisting" while they beat the shit out of someone. Meanwhile the person is purely trying to defensively cover their head and face to avoid blows, and squirming to not have their joints twisted out of their sockets.
@K C Thank you. When I was in High School, I asked a female "resource officer" to demonstrate the placing of handcuffs. She didn't want to, because it would hurt; she said. When I insisted, she "gently" cut into my wrist with the steel cuff. I lost a bit of innocence that day, but what I learned... Stay away from them at all costs!
Hey, just wanted to thank you SO MUCH for reading the content warning aloud. I often listen to your videos as I get ready for the day, and the heads up is letting me save this for later rather than when I'm getting ready for work, lined up by autoplay. That was very considerate, thank you
I get a kick out of the phrase “police shoot a suspect”. Because the constitution protects individuals from the assumption of guilt but can be condemned to death by a paramilitary public servant with a god complex because the suspect didn’t listen to badge daddy.
4:15 I was told exactly this when stopped biking to work at the town grocery at 5:00am and searched thoroughly at 17 years old. One of many times I could have ended up framed or dead in the nearby ditch. Because a young brown man out before dawn can apparently only be trouble, not working to go to college
I'm anxious anything to do with the police after having my abusive parents call the cops on me after THEY threw me out and made it out to be I got kidnapped by my friend taking me in. Also, work with cops as an EMT and the cops straight up tell me they would have me get fired or "forget" to back us up on a call if any of us dared to tell on them in our paperwork about what ever injury my patient got was from them. I can't feel safe near cops now due to that shit
I'm real sorry. I've seen and heard of cases where police supported abusive parents and husbands a lot. And higher up authorities too. It's no coincidence. Dominators defend dominators. Helpers defend helpers.
If you're in a one party recording state, consider switching your phone on in your pocket to record audio when dealing with cops. You might record a gem one day that gets one of these pigs locked up good.
It is based on vengeance. The fact that police dont solve many of the crimes committed does t change that at all. Our prison sentences are punitive as hell. Its cruel and unusual punishment. We should all demand the same standard of LE as in England or Canada if nothing better
@sunbro of astora the law enforcement in America is broken because it was NEVER set up to be a 'law enforcement' of the country rather the blacks. Your police were literally built to police the blacks and we're able to abuse whatever law they wanted. They've had to learn to police the general population and obviously are doing a sh*t job at it. The chickens have come home to roost. Taste your own medicine
"A pizza delivery driver is far more likely to be killed in the line of duty than a police officer." I am a former delivery driver, I have witnessed police injustice and have suffered it (albeit mildly in comparison), and I couldn't agree more.
Also post January 6, 2021 Inserruction I think it's safe to say that most folks that claimed "blue Lives matter" were lying and only used that language to mock black folks - IMO
It's hard to listen to this and not also conclude that the interrogation room light always seems to be swaying because the authorities have just used it as an improvised weapon.
Or conclude that the smoke drifting into the scene is from the brazier they're using to heat pokers red hot. Or that the stock footage sellers should have found a wall without a big double window and venetian blinds to film against... (real interrogation rooms don't have lights made out of a kitchen bowl hung at head height... *while sitting* )
Also people with some mental health problems or under the the influence of drink or drugs lack the capacity to be aware of their surroundings or how to act when being arrested. There is a racial aspect to this aswell
Even here in Switzerland, police are excessive. That's why I can't stand the amount of cop shows on tv, and stopped watching years ago. That "hero cop" narrative pushed everywhere is getting more and more ridiculous, it is plain propaganda and it begins to show 😒
Death in police custody is such a common occurrence that they invented a fake medical condition to justify it: “excited delirium”. If you hear that a suspect died of “excited delirium” you can more or less assume that there was some fuckery afoot, either straight up murder-by-police or malicious negligence. “Excited delirium” is not recognized by the medical community at large (it’s definitely not in the DSM-V) and is largely promoted by a select number of professionals who already work closely with police and manufacturers of police equipment (see: The Axon corporation, the incredibly litigious manufacturers of the Taser), and who are paid to testify as professional experts in court.
It always bothered me that the way were supposed to act with cops is same way were told to act with a vicious dog. No sudden movement's. Dont raise your voice. Dont turn your back. Every police encounter ive had i have Dr Grants voice in back of my head "dont move. They cant see you if you dont move"
I had a skeptical encounter with local police in my teens. Local police pulled over a friend and I riding to his house on a moped. They claimed to pull us over because we were violating moped passenger laws and asked to search us. I quickly answered for both of us, saying no and that they had no right to without a warrant. They scoffed and said they would note our refusal in their report, but let us go. There is very much an incentive for police to crack down on anyone and everyone they can as far as that incident has taught me, and I'm glad I told them no. Granted, I don't think we would've been nearly as lucky if we hadn't been Caucasian, but that makes it worse in my eyes
I had a horrid experience with the police. Before I transitioned I was caught with a weed pipe. 8 years later they picked me up and even though they had pictures of all my tattoos and scars and had no reason they took me into a room with 6 male officers and made me strip entirely naked. I had been arrested in the past where all charges were dropped and they didn’t strip me there nor have they stripped any of the people I know. They just wanted to harass the trans woman
I feel like being a social worker is more dangerous than being a police officer, in some cases. My brother was a social worker for a while, and he told me there were situations where the police would straight-up refuse to help out because it was "too dangerous". Here for our protection? My ass.
I'm really glad someone pointed how irrational this "nothing to hide nothing to fear" argument is. Under normal circumstances, this would be seen as a breach of privacy. But because the cops do it, everyone just assumes it's totally normal to give up your autonomy.
I once got pulled over by a cop because I passed him while going 5 mph (8 km/h) *under* the speed limit. He had me get in his car and ran a search on me. He asked me if I had anything in my car and ask why I was flustered. He let me go. Now I try to avoid cops whenever I can.
I was a victim of police last week. I called 911 because I was having a panic attack, police and a helicopter showed up and took me by gunpoint. They undressed and groped me in the street, didn’t let my parents see me, then mocked me on the ride to the hospital (a pig compared me to her kid in conversation with the other swine) it took my family three days to find me.
@@thetwilightzone2403 Suicide hotlines only chat with you for a little while. They don’t know you, don’t know your life so it’s a very inefficient resource for many circumstances. I actually originally called an emergency clinic and they turned me to police. I would actually suggest that if you don’t have a therapist, that one build a network of friends/loved ones one could call in an emergency, let them know about what’s going on and how to handle it. This is obviously not available to everyone and is a lot of work, but that’s the problem, we’re stripped of options and forced to rely on cops, on under-funded hospitals and indifferent doctors.
The rate of Aboriginal deaths in custody in Australia is a national disgrace. When arrest is shockingly likely to result in your death, why wouldn't you resist that!? Yet exactly this justification by non-compliance is used all the time here, whether arrest was 'resisted' or not.
*If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about* I have no criminal record, and I STILL got nervous when I was pulled over, because I didn’t know if I was going to deal with an officer who felt they were above the law or not.
If I’m ever in a situation where I’m being arrested, I’ll just moan softly and say, “~harder~” That’ll make them really uncomfortable and I’ll have the real victory.
I get your irony and I hope you are never in that situation. Out of concern for another citizen, I would be careful about your plan because you never know who you’re dealing with and what they are capable of
I was the victim of a kidnapping and imprisonment when I was a child in a massively convoluted series of events. While the men who kidnapped my sister and I were kicking down the door, I called the police and screamed for help. I gave 911 my address before we were kidnapped. Not only did they not come out and help for two hours, but the kidnappers had let my sister and I go before the police even arrived at our house. When the police found my sister and I on the street corner where the kidnappers had let us out, they handcuffed me and made me ride in the back of the car. Every single cop is a bastard. They do not help victims. They do not stop crimes. No one was ever arrested even though I could ID the men who kidnapped me. They threatened my mom telling her that her kids need to stop calling the cops over "bullshit".
Yeah, don't resist arrest... What about being yelled at to do one thing, but no! don't do that! OH! You're resisting arrest! Comply with the contradiction! Stop resisting arrest! BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG! Oh, that was so traumatic for me! I deserve a tax-free pension for the rest of my life!
End of PART 2 - ADD that resistance in the face of harm is a neurobiological response that happens in the autonomic nervous system. It's a hard-wired system that's evolved from our ancestors for survival.
I was handcuffed by a cop for a frivolous reason (then released) and the prick ABSOLUTELY used excessive force and purposefully pretended I was “resisting” when I wasn’t at all. This happened when I smiled slightly and DARED not to take him seriously, btw. This “argument” is a practically a Gestapo tactic at this point. It’s gaslighting for a police state.
I honestly feel like you need to admit that breaking the law is sometimes, is not often, okay, as laws are used to dehumanize people. Sodomy used to be illegal. Native people using civil disobedience when our treaties are broken is illegal. Laws often are often used to deny people who actually have the legality to fight what's happening to them.
When police find nothing illegal and that a person did nothing wrong, they always seem disappointed and angry. If they really had our safety and best interest at heart, you would think they would be happy to find a good, law-abiding citizen doing their part to maintain order. But that's not how they see it. To them, everyone is guilty, everyone is a suspect, they just need to push hard enough and they can find something that "sticks."
It's a crazy double standard how people will argue that normal citizens should remain perfectly calm and compliant when they have a gun pointed at them and they are being restrained... But those same people will defend the police for killing a teenager who was holding a water gun or a cell phone or anything, because the cops thought their lives were in danger so they panicked and defended themselves... So the ones who are trained to deal with these sorts of situations are allowed to panic, but the normal citizens are expected to react to these brand new threatening situations calmly? Awesome, that doesn't seem backwards at all.
I have an interresting story about "nothing to hide, nothing to fear". Which is about how you may have nothing to hide now, but may in the future. In my country, the Netherlands, we used to have extremely accurate and well organised record keeping. The government knew everything about a person. Where they lived, their age and most importantly, their religion. But then 1940 came around, and the nazis invaded my country. And suddenly, the nazis had an extremely well organised list of where all jewish people lived. This is one of the reasons why such a large percentage of jewish people were captured in comparison to other countries.
"Don't resist arrest" coming from someone giving their kids the talk is fair. "Don't resist arrest" coming from the murderer of the arrestee is fucking disgusting.
One of the things that REALLY needs to be instituted is the removal of penalties for resisting if the arrest is for a crime the suspect did not commit. If you prove in court that you did not commit the crime that you were being arrested for, any and all force used to resist that arrest should be legally justified, as what you are doing is resisting being kidnapped. If cops knew that a person could legally fight back and potentially get away with it, they would be far less eager to arrest anyone over the most minor of suspicious and encourage them to get their facts straight before attempting to detain someone. As it stands now, there are virtually no consequences for cops detaining someone for something they didn't do, and that encourages sloppy and lazy police work.
I don't think that's a good idea. It's an open door for escalation, that could end on a very fatal final note. A better idea is to simply have better rules about arrest and detention. In my country, anybody can arrest someone comitting an offense punished by prison, but only a supervisor can decide if that arrest can be turned into a detention at the station, and the district attorney must be notified. And it's only for flagrant case. Otherwise, an arrest must be approved by the DA.
One of my more subtle gripes against non-compliance justification is that it dehumanizes the person on the receiving power imbalance of a police interaction. Even if you wanted to make a rational argument, you would never extend it to any other situation. If someone was getting mugged at gunpoint and they were arguing with the gunman, you'd call the person a moron but would ultimately agree that the gunman is in the wrong for threatening the life of another person and trying to take their possessions. When police are involved, however, they are absolutely infallible beings and murder becomes A-OK, or worse the person at the receiving end of the gun automatically becomes a sub-human criminal and the police "had to do what had to be done". Edit: also thank you for saying "what police do during arrests would in any other circumstance be considered assault and kidnapping" sometimes I felt crazy when no one would understand that. As someone who was personally arrested under false premises, even though the charges were immediately dropped the arrest itself has messed me up even years later.
Thank you for this. I'm stuck in bed sick & you're keeping me company. I've learned alot 🤔 The only thing I have to add is that being unable to comply. We've seen a few incidents where disability, injury or illness mean you can't do what the police are asking. The language barrier is an obvious example. Others people rarely think of are: Deaf people who communicate exclusively with sign language, disability that means they can't move in the way the police ask (I can't put my hands on my head or behind my back due to a shoulder injury), people who are neurodivergent who struggle with language, people with mental illnesses that involve hallucination & a bunch of others.
the thing I have noticed in many of these incidents where a person is seen "resisting" arrest and then the cop starts abusing that person is that the "suspect" that is being arrested has no idea that they are even being arrested, I have watched video after video where a police officer simply reaches out and grabs a them without any warning, they don't ever say "you are under arrest" they just start using force without warning and naturally the "suspect" will start to resist cause they haven't been told they are being arrested and then of course the cop starts to escalate and worsen the situation and then you have cops that go to arrest the first person they see without even knowing the situation, they always talk about just comply with the demands of the police, well how many times have we seen a person being completely compliant and peaceful with a cop and still get shot, Philando Castile ring any bells, there was a social worker once trying to protect a mentally ill person from the cops, he was compliant and calm with his hands up and many feet away and the cop still shot him
Although this systemic inequality is usually addressed on this channel, i'm so glad you make a full video on this!, i know your content is mostly focused to the US but i believe we share a lot of the same issues here in México on a more violent and cynical way by the police, military and "special forces" (all of them armed to the teeth and in cahoots with cartel ) with the same protection by media and law makers sadly with no solution within reach... always touched by your empathetic and sensitive approach to writing, your work is very inspirational, looking forward for your next video already!
Ah, I found it. There’s this lecture by a lawyer on why invoking your 5th amendment right is likely your best course of action. th-cam.com/video/d-7o9xYp7eE/w-d-xo.html
(early scene from Jak 2, 2003) Krimson Guard: Surrender and Die! Daxter: Uh, excuse me sir, don't you mean "Surrender, *or* die"?! Kor: Not in this city! I never thought that scene would be relevant today...
Looking back at the film Training Day I fully understand what the character of Alonso represents when it comes to police. The line " I'm the police , I run shit here you just live here" makes more sense now when discussing the institution of cops and want they represent.
I work in the field of civil rights litigation. I can report that the majority of clients or traumatized by a false arrest. I can also report that many of them are physically assaulted, even though they are innocent, and not suspected of a violent crime. Many are subject to sexual abuse, while they are being frisked, including groping, genitalia and breasts. Many suffer serious physical injuries from physical beatings, tasers, dog attacks, and pepper spray.
I cannot understand the how seeing officers cheat and lie the weak and poor out of their last dime in their weakest moments over, and over, and over again is ever seen as heroic.
In Europe law enforcement officers are for the most part respected and trusted and they deal with the same problems like their US colleagues do on a daily basis. I think Police in most of Europe have syndicates too and no country is immune to corruption, political influence, abuse of authority etc. My father served for decades in various law enforcement departments and has told me the difference is mostly in the protocol and procedures which must be very strict but well defined and followed to the letter. He explained that when in a uniform an officers personal beliefs and opinions are left in the locker and protocol and procedure is the only thing that matters. Also, punishment for police officers who break the law either deliberately or by accident should be more severe than the punishment of the same type for a civilian because people in authority also carry a lot more responsibility and should be held to a higher standard.
While it's fortunately not as bad as in the US, there are still many issues and abuses from cops in Europe, they are clearly supported by their hierarchy, the media at large and the laws (although with less outrageous things like qualified immunity and civil forfeiture) and very rarely punished.
Police genuinely piss me off when it comes to guns like you have tazers no it's not really ok either but the tazers usually are less likely to kill someone or even mace which also blows.
Love your content, you articulate positions that I instinctively share but lack the academic knowledge to convincingly argue amazingly well and give me ammo for debates going forward. Hop you keep doing great work like this for a long time.
Forgot what state enacted a law if you feel you’re being illegally detained you can resist BUT the damages you get from fighting back are on you and you give up your rights to sue.
thats bullshit, self defence at the minimum, it makes no sense that they would accept they were qrong and then say that your damages are your own fault. Its just assault
Another assumption people make is that if you are not guilty, then going to jail and getting your day in court will exonerate you. But once you are arrested, there is a 98% chance of conviction, even if you are not guilty. I would rather risk my life to run than spend a day in police custody
You see it’s quite simple, I simply cannot go to prison or else they’ll figure out that it wasn’t actually Al Capone who evaded those taxes… it was me 😔
Our system has higher standards for criminals than for "Law Enforcement" officers in what gets someone punished appropriately for their actions. We should have the opposite, hold police (and politicians) to a higher standard. They should be obligated to have actual knowledge of their job, the law, and constitution; it is essential to their job, to do it right. They should receive much harsher punishments for their crimes too. Lose their position, have more time behind bars, pay larger fines. Why not? They have positions of power and they abuse it, they don't know the law and/or don't care. This is disgusting.
There is a video of a cop shooting an undercover cop who he actually knows. This vid shows how they really are, the undercover cop did obviously nothing that provoked to be shot at but still got shot
I dont think I remember if there ever was a time when i thought police officers are heroes, or seen them as a protective force. I grew up hearing bits of whispers of the few dreaded police stations that were known for torturing people in them. I was a kid when my dad got arrested for ''smuggling gasoline'', the police offered to just confiscate the goods and presume he ''learned his lesson'' and wouldnt file charges. My dad refused and took them to court, they did their best to stretch out the process hoping my dad would give up cause paying a lawyer wasnt cheap. My dad won, but they gave us a barrel of gasoline mixed with sugar water ''back''. Then I started high school. I was attacked by a dude going home from a party one night. I managed to defend myself and ran home. Talking to the cops I was told not to even try to file anything, since '''nothing happened and i cant prove it''. My high school roommate dated a cop, one night he got drunk (yes they regularly drank during their night shifts with us), and he told me about being sent to take a statement from a girl who had called in r@pe. He was drunk then too, he and his buddy asked her parents to let them talk alone, they had a blast demanding this girl show them what the guy did to her, where he touched, hit her etc. he told me this while laughing his ass off. Cut to a year later, on a trip with our school in front of the hotel me and 3 of my girl friends were talking, I was bitching about some dude that followed us with his car yelling shit at us. At that point a police officer that was standing a few meters away walked towards me, grabbed my arm, and pulled out his gun, saying something among the lines of: Would you like this to go take care of him? I froze, so the guy continued with something like: You girls stay with me, ill take care of those guys for you. still holding his gun in his hand, playing with it now. I never felt safe around cops, never will. Most of them are vile abusive fucks. And just seeing them around makes me feel uneasy.
Did you see the incident the other day of the police officer who flipped a pregnant woman's car on the highway even though she was following the law by slowing down, putting her hazard lights on, and looking for a safe place to pull over?
Yep
Yeah, she was complying, she would've likely pulled over at the next exit and stopped somewhere like a gas station, the officer should've been fired and I hope the woman's lawsuit sticks
@@wolfmantheimpaler The officer should be jailed.
that make me extra sick. i remember before i learned how to drive over fifteen years ago, that if you were getting pulled over at night, you, especially if you were femme, had the right to find a lit place to pull over, like a gas station for your own safety.
@@wolfmantheimpaler Complying EXACTLY HOW SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO no less!
Police officers don't seem to appreciate it when the "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about" mindset is pointed at them.
The Venn Diagram of people who unironically say “comply and don’t die” and “America is great because of our freedoms” is a circle.
I've often used this as an argument against people who believe that America has more "freedom" than other nations.
Where I live, it's not legal for the police to kill me.
@@Kiki-cs8xv what country is that?
@@Riddickisawesome101 New Zealand.
Recently, there was a trial here where three cops were charged after a man died in custody. The man had simply taken an overdose of drugs and alcohol (at around the same time as cops were called because he was beating up his partner). The police didn't know what he'd taken, thought he was drunk, and just left him in the cells to sleep it off. No evidence that they were violent towards him. They just picked him up and carried him after he passed out in the back of the car. He still died.
The three arresting officers were put in trial for manslaughter. They were acquitted, presumably because the jury found that they did not play a part in causing his death, but they were put on trial because they didn't follow procedure. They were supposed to give him regular medical checks, and they didn't. They are no longer cops.
I can't find an equivalent case in America where police would be fired and charged over a suspect dying from an OD in the cells. The expectation here is that they had a duty to keep him alive.
@@Kiki-cs8xv New Zealand basically has the culture and ethics that Americans pretend to have.
@@whysocurious7366 "pro life" people are literally the complete opposite of being pro life lol
Thank you for addressing the "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear" argument, it's something that is still used a lot, even from people who could be victimized by it, in regards to sacrificing your right to privacy from the state.
Yah, its as if cops dont care about your rights
I support our delivery drivers who put their lives on the line every day. Salute the thin-pepperoni line.
Honestly, no one who claims to protect and serve me should also be allowed to kill me. This is a paradox.
The Supreme Court rules the police have no obligation to do either, though I would argue they have a moral and ethical obligation to do so. It could be argued that they are supposed to serve and protect the public at large. If the public is being harmed or threatened, the good of the public outweighs the good of the individual. Again, that's my interpretation; what do you think?
It then follows that the person does not protect and serve you.
This is actually a big reason why nurses aren't allowed to talk about organ donation with families.
They serve and protect capital. Not people
what if it's genuinely in self defence, though?
I think what needs to be talked more about is police interrogating mentally ill, autistic and also deaf/hearing impaired people because as someone who's all three, it never ends well for me and even worse for others who are in those groups.
And then there's the fact that many of these situations shouldn't be handled by the police, anyway. Why are police and not, say, medical professionals or social workers, doing welfare checks?
ADHD is another big one
I've known deaf people to put signs on their car windows telling officers that they're deaf and won't be able to follow commands correctly.
Imagine having a disability and constantly being afraid of getting pulled over because there's a non-zero chance a cop will just murder you the second you fail to comply without a second thought.
Yup. My husband has worked with the neuro divergent population in our area for decades, in many capacities- when he worked in assisted and independent living situations, he had to deal with neighbors or other staff who were ignorant af calling cops for melt downs etc. It was awful every time and he always says he can't imagine what would have happened without him or another good advocate there. As a matter of fact a situation like this precipitated us moving out of a county and hom finding a job w/a different agency because of 1) the agency's policy to involve police in unnecessary situations and 2) local cops turning the situation into them wanting to know what my (large, tattooed, long haired Salvadoran) husband did to be able to afford the 10 yr old BMW he was driving. Smh.
On a different note, it bothers me how in a lot of films and TV shows, they glorify police or detectives breaking rules to catch the “bad guys”, like breaking into private homes, planting evidence, or stealing possessions. Like, that is illegal too! And it makes police seem justified in doing it in real life, which is NOT true.
You know that they've been doing that deliberately since at least the 1970s, right? Domestic propaganda.
Yup. Copaganda
The whole "loose cannon sheriff cop" stereotype was a mistake.
@@Fr0stbite1801 The worst thing about it, the clearest origin of this trope - Judge Dredd, based on various Dirty Harry esque characters, was supposed to be a satire.
Now it's a fucking goal it seems.
Great to see someone has the same opinion on this as me
Same folks who’ll defend accused sex traffickers in congress by saying “innocent until proven guilty” have no problem with cops executing suspects without trial because “they shouldn’t have resisted”.
They often confuse the court of public opinion with the court of law too.
loaded questions are so hard for neurodivergent people. we take things so literally. i have gotten myself in trouble by being unable to think quickly when under pressure to understand i'm being tricked like this. i spit out an answer, then realize what i said, panic, & try to talk back out if it. it's purposeful manipulation, because the idea is, "if you didn't do anything wrong, you wouldn't be so nervous." at least for me, as a person experienced a lot of trauma & manipulation, this is very false. i am consistently a ball of nerves.
I appreciate your comment. My stepson is neurodivergent an I am concerned for him.
I was watching Cops last year when it was still airing and one of the most common questions police asked each suspect was "Why you so nervous?"
Because they're in the presence of a potential bully, obviously.
Neuro typical people are weird in general. Say what you mean! Don't get mad at the other person because you're being vague and you expect everyone to read your mind. Do I look like Jean Grey?
Same i had some trama, and when cops are near by im nervous
Even when I know I'm doing nothing wrong, my hear starts beating harder and I get nervous just to drive past a cop, let along speak to one or be interrogated by one. Even if I was completely innocent, I'd be nervous as hell!
Oh and NEVER listen to the police that you look guilty for refusing a lie detector or refusing questioning without a lawyer present. There's a reason lie detectors can't be used in court, and there's a reason you have a right to not be questioned without a lawyer. USE THOSE RIGHTS!!! Even if you're innocent!!
This is really sad, youth in my country tunisia are being killed as we speak in protests. The brutality of the police is international...
Do you know of any English language YT channels where I can see and learn more about this? I read the world news in English daily but a lot doesn't get adequately covered.
I second what Patrick said. I would love to see and hear is going on
Police are, by their very nature, an institution of violence. They use violence to enforce the will of the state. The fact that people expect such an institution to be capable of mellowing out is... odd.
Under no circumstances should you speak to the police! They are not your friends and talking to them can only hurt you. No one talks their way out of trouble but many talk their way into it.
Every single lawyer will tell you - NEVER talk to the police
surely not speaking to police, though a constitutional right, could be considered non-compliance and hence a “reason” for police brutality. it’s a lose lose situation all around
@@imParisthoee the only thing you're required to give them is your name, identification, maybe address. Other than that, nothing. But ya I get what you mean that if you're out in the real world and its just you and the cop, you run the risk of that cop getting frustrated or angry and lashing out because you refuse to answer other questions. Which in their mind is misconstrued as "non compliance" when this is actually the law. .
So many cops seem to have not even a basic level understanding of the rights of the citizens they're supposed to "protect." I think that should be mandatory in their police training.
@@doperagu8471 If they didn't want to brutalize people they would not have become cops. Only a complete psychopath would become a cop in this day and age.
@@doperagu8471 police are not supposed to protect people - they're supposed to protect the interests of the government.
"If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear."
Ah yes. The same argument used by my abusive ex when he was trying to justify going through all of my texts and emails. A perfectly reasonable statement that's only ever used by rational people who mean you no harm.
Also used by authoritarian governments all over the modern world (including in many so-called "democracies") to justify everything from arbitrary searches, seizures, arrests, interrogations, etc. to today's global surveillance system. And the two things are very connected. Rationalization of dominance relations. Any chimp would recognize it.
I genuinely don't understand how people still say this with a straight face, a 6 year old could debunk this argument.
The idea that I’ve thought of is if someone resisted arrest and is not killed, do you think the person should be out on death row? No? Then the justification of “don’t resist arrest” is BS
Sadly a lot of these people think we should just execute every criminal
The more i think about it, the more i realize that relationship between the police and the general public is too similar to a very abusive romantic relationship
Yep. Every time someone dies after being shot in the back by the cop the conversation is always about how the VICTIM could have avoided it and not how the person with the gun could have just chosen not to shoot. Its the logic of all abusers. "Look what YOU MADE ME do."
Spoken in Richard Nixon voice:
“I’m saying if a policeman does it, it’s NOT illegal!!!”
“Murder is a crime / unless it’s done / by a policeman” - “Know Your Rights”, The Clash
@@danielludwig647 "Or an aristocrat..."
@@ourdivinemouseoverlord3308 Right? Like we're actually gonna see someone like Gaetz see justice
Multiple times, I've been stopped on the street by the police thinking I "match the description" of someone that did something. I'm 5'7", stocky, and bearded since high-school. Why do I always fit the description of tall, skinny and clean shaven. Maybe it's skin tone.
I'd like to talk about how police use pain compliance to engineer the appearance of resisting.
I have a background in submission grappling and a host of other martial arts and so often I notice that cops will crank shoulder locks and wrist locks to the point where it's impossible to not resist them because the body will instintively protect itself from joint injury. I see this in videos all the time and always with the eternal refrain of "stop resisting!".
It's no more possible to cease struggling in those circumstances than it is to temporarily shut off a portion of your nervous system but it plays so well for the cameras and I legitimately hate it.
If the general public knew how much engineering of these types of situations took place than I think they'd have a very different perspective on videos of struggling arrestees on the verge of debilitating shoulder, elbow, wrist and neck injuries.
For a good example of this, watch the video where the cop in Colorado dislocated the shoulder of an elderly woman with dementia - all while telling her not to resist (she literally wasn't resisting, unless he was just referring to the fact he had to strain a bit in order to dislocate the joint). Disgusting.
That's one of the first things I thought of, too. The cops screaming "stop resisting" while they beat the shit out of someone. Meanwhile the person is purely trying to defensively cover their head and face to avoid blows, and squirming to not have their joints twisted out of their sockets.
Kelly thomas
Just get rid of them. If police cant do the job, why do we even have them. theyfe just a gang
@K C Thank you. When I was in High School, I asked a female "resource officer" to demonstrate the placing of handcuffs. She didn't want to, because it would hurt; she said. When I insisted, she "gently" cut into my wrist with the steel cuff. I lost a bit of innocence that day, but what I learned... Stay away from them at all costs!
Hey, just wanted to thank you SO MUCH for reading the content warning aloud. I often listen to your videos as I get ready for the day, and the heads up is letting me save this for later rather than when I'm getting ready for work, lined up by autoplay. That was very considerate, thank you
Agreed! It’s also important for those who are blind. Watching videos doesn’t always mean seeing videos.
I get a kick out of the phrase “police shoot a suspect”. Because the constitution protects individuals from the assumption of guilt but can be condemned to death by a paramilitary public servant with a god complex because the suspect didn’t listen to badge daddy.
4:15 I was told exactly this when stopped biking to work at the town grocery at 5:00am and searched thoroughly at 17 years old. One of many times I could have ended up framed or dead in the nearby ditch. Because a young brown man out before dawn can apparently only be trouble, not working to go to college
I like when they are friendly and chill until they run your friend’s license to see past crimes and come back and ask “why do I smell weed”
I'm anxious anything to do with the police after having my abusive parents call the cops on me after THEY threw me out and made it out to be I got kidnapped by my friend taking me in. Also, work with cops as an EMT and the cops straight up tell me they would have me get fired or "forget" to back us up on a call if any of us dared to tell on them in our paperwork about what ever injury my patient got was from them. I can't feel safe near cops now due to that shit
I'm real sorry. I've seen and heard of cases where police supported abusive parents and husbands a lot. And higher up authorities too. It's no coincidence. Dominators defend dominators. Helpers defend helpers.
Report that shit anyway, otherwise they just gonna keep on doing it
Unless you’re already planning on quitting or have thousands of dollars to throw around on a legal case, it’s not worth the risk most of the time.
If you're in a one party recording state, consider switching your phone on in your pocket to record audio when dealing with cops. You might record a gem one day that gets one of these pigs locked up good.
The shooting people in the back thing is completely insane. Who tf thinks it's justified to shoot unarmed people in the back!?
An unhealthy amount of Americans do.
Bootlickers
School Shooters, only that they are all grown up and essentially have a license to kill
ben shapiro probably, definetely if they look palestinian.
Hell, even shooting an *armed* person in back is pretty sus, imo...
its almost like the system is based upon vengeance and not "justice"
It is based on vengeance. The fact that police dont solve many of the crimes committed does t change that at all. Our prison sentences are punitive as hell. Its cruel and unusual punishment. We should all demand the same standard of LE as in England or Canada if nothing better
LE and the justice system and the penal system I mean. The entire apparatus
@sunbro of astora the law enforcement in America is broken because it was NEVER set up to be a 'law enforcement' of the country rather the blacks. Your police were literally built to police the blacks and we're able to abuse whatever law they wanted. They've had to learn to police the general population and obviously are doing a sh*t job at it.
The chickens have come home to roost. Taste your own medicine
"A pizza delivery driver is far more likely to be killed in the line of duty than a police officer."
I am a former delivery driver, I have witnessed police injustice and have suffered it (albeit mildly in comparison), and I couldn't agree more.
Also post January 6, 2021 Inserruction I think it's safe to say that most folks that claimed "blue Lives matter" were lying and only used that language to mock black folks - IMO
"Blue lives matter... except when the dear leader told me to go attack people who were just doing their job."
@@Kiki-cs8xv There's actually footage of them beating the shit out a cop (who survived) *under a Blue Lives Matter flag*. Just... wow.
@@fisheyenomiko The ironing is delicious.
Less mock more deflecting responsibility for cops transgressions.
It's hard to listen to this and not also conclude that the interrogation room light always seems to be swaying because the authorities have just used it as an improvised weapon.
Or conclude that the smoke drifting into the scene is from the brazier they're using to heat pokers red hot.
Or that the stock footage sellers should have found a wall without a big double window and venetian blinds to film against...
(real interrogation rooms don't have lights made out of a kitchen bowl hung at head height... *while sitting* )
"compliance will lead to a better outcome" tell it to oscar grant
Or Philando Castile
@@SpoopySquid Sandra Bland
Also people with some mental health problems or under the the influence of drink or drugs lack the capacity to be aware of their surroundings or how to act when being arrested. There is a racial aspect to this aswell
Especially with Stimming or Tics, the justice system has always been ableist and racist alongside other things
Even here in Switzerland, police are excessive. That's why I can't stand the amount of cop shows on tv, and stopped watching years ago. That "hero cop" narrative pushed everywhere is getting more and more ridiculous, it is plain propaganda and it begins to show 😒
Omg I said this years ago, and was called dramatic. This hero worship that is cop show, has never looked like reality ever.
Can't remember where I heard it, but the phrase "If you don't comply, you die; If you do comply, you also die" really sums this all up.
“You’re under arrest”
“For what?”
“🤷🏻♂️”
“Okay, then I’m not under arrest.”
“STOP RESISTING!!!”
Death in police custody is such a common occurrence that they invented a fake medical condition to justify it: “excited delirium”. If you hear that a suspect died of “excited delirium” you can more or less assume that there was some fuckery afoot, either straight up murder-by-police or malicious negligence.
“Excited delirium” is not recognized by the medical community at large (it’s definitely not in the DSM-V) and is largely promoted by a select number of professionals who already work closely with police and manufacturers of police equipment (see: The Axon corporation, the incredibly litigious manufacturers of the Taser), and who are paid to testify as professional experts in court.
The usual one round our parts is thrown in the paddy wagon and driven around with no seatbelt. Or just left in the sun to bake to death.
It always bothered me that the way were supposed to act with cops is same way were told to act with a vicious dog. No sudden movement's. Dont raise your voice. Dont turn your back. Every police encounter ive had i have Dr Grants voice in back of my head "dont move. They cant see you if you dont move"
They can shoot us with but the thinnest excuses, but we must remain calm with a maniac pointing a gun in our face.
I had a skeptical encounter with local police in my teens. Local police pulled over a friend and I riding to his house on a moped. They claimed to pull us over because we were violating moped passenger laws and asked to search us. I quickly answered for both of us, saying no and that they had no right to without a warrant. They scoffed and said they would note our refusal in their report, but let us go. There is very much an incentive for police to crack down on anyone and everyone they can as far as that incident has taught me, and I'm glad I told them no. Granted, I don't think we would've been nearly as lucky if we hadn't been Caucasian, but that makes it worse in my eyes
People expect people to just stop their reflexes when they’re getting beat ….
Lmao if they want me to stop resisting arrest I'll go limp. Can't be resisting if I'm not moving.
Stop resisting!! (Meanwhile a vicious police dog rips the suspects calf muscle from his bone)
@@bananamerchant6387 And they'll keep beating you anyway.
You have such a gift for organized, thorough presentations and me and my scattered, messy ADHD brain appreciates it.
Same
He lays it all out in a clean concise outline. Perfect for students.
Be thankful I am letting you off, is the tone of how every interaction I have ever had with the police has ended.
The answer seems obvious:
Pizza delivery drivers should be able to kill with impunity. In shelfdefense. Because danger.
Especially to defend themselves against Karens.
As a pizza delivery driver I am willing to be judge jury and executioner
I give my delivery driver permission to cap any motherfucker interfering with the delivery of my chicken nuggets!
If the internet has done anything good at all. It's exposing the fact that our law enforcement is out of control.
I had a horrid experience with the police. Before I transitioned I was caught with a weed pipe. 8 years later they picked me up and even though they had pictures of all my tattoos and scars and had no reason they took me into a room with 6 male officers and made me strip entirely naked. I had been arrested in the past where all charges were dropped and they didn’t strip me there nor have they stripped any of the people I know. They just wanted to harass the trans woman
My sympathy, fuck those abusive pigs right up their porkholes.
I feel like being a social worker is more dangerous than being a police officer, in some cases. My brother was a social worker for a while, and he told me there were situations where the police would straight-up refuse to help out because it was "too dangerous".
Here for our protection? My ass.
Police: our work is dangerous!😭😭
Pizza man: yeah they shot me in the leg when I was delivering a pepperoni pizza to the suspect
I'm really glad someone pointed how irrational this "nothing to hide nothing to fear" argument is. Under normal circumstances, this would be seen as a breach of privacy. But because the cops do it, everyone just assumes it's totally normal to give up your autonomy.
I once got pulled over by a cop because I passed him while going 5 mph (8 km/h) *under* the speed limit. He had me get in his car and ran a search on me. He asked me if I had anything in my car and ask why I was flustered. He let me go. Now I try to avoid cops whenever I can.
I was a victim of police last week. I called 911 because I was having a panic attack, police and a helicopter showed up and took me by gunpoint. They undressed and groped me in the street, didn’t let my parents see me, then mocked me on the ride to the hospital (a pig compared me to her kid in conversation with the other swine) it took my family three days to find me.
That is fucking horrifying, I thought I hated pigs before, but you just brought it to a whole nuther level.
I'm sorry that happened to you. Whenever your having a mental health crisis, call the suicide hotline.
@@thetwilightzone2403 Suicide hotlines only chat with you for a little while. They don’t know you, don’t know your life so it’s a very inefficient resource for many circumstances. I actually originally called an emergency clinic and they turned me to police.
I would actually suggest that if you don’t have a therapist, that one build a network of friends/loved ones one could call in an emergency, let them know about what’s going on and how to handle it. This is obviously not available to everyone and is a lot of work, but that’s the problem, we’re stripped of options and forced to rely on cops, on under-funded hospitals and indifferent doctors.
@@burtgrabmore2972 same here. I came out of that experience with a fiery need to abolish police. Every single choice they made was wrong and harmful.
The rate of Aboriginal deaths in custody in Australia is a national disgrace. When arrest is shockingly likely to result in your death, why wouldn't you resist that!? Yet exactly this justification by non-compliance is used all the time here, whether arrest was 'resisted' or not.
You also see in videos of the police of them yelling contradictory commands like the lyrics of a 90s alt rock song.
"the opposite of accountability" should be the title of the law that enacted qualified immunity for police officers.
*If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about*
I have no criminal record, and I STILL got nervous when I was pulled over, because I didn’t know if I was going to deal with an officer who felt they were above the law or not.
If I’m ever in a situation where I’m being arrested, I’ll just moan softly and say, “~harder~” That’ll make them really uncomfortable and I’ll have the real victory.
🤣
OR it'll encourage them, which, if you're acting, won't be something you want.
I get your irony and I hope you are never in that situation. Out of concern for another citizen, I would be careful about your plan because you never know who you’re dealing with and what they are capable of
I appreciate the work you do sir
I was the victim of a kidnapping and imprisonment when I was a child in a massively convoluted series of events. While the men who kidnapped my sister and I were kicking down the door, I called the police and screamed for help. I gave 911 my address before we were kidnapped.
Not only did they not come out and help for two hours, but the kidnappers had let my sister and I go before the police even arrived at our house. When the police found my sister and I on the street corner where the kidnappers had let us out, they handcuffed me and made me ride in the back of the car.
Every single cop is a bastard. They do not help victims. They do not stop crimes.
No one was ever arrested even though I could ID the men who kidnapped me.
They threatened my mom telling her that her kids need to stop calling the cops over "bullshit".
End qualified immunity for police.
He ended with Daunte Wright, but while he was making the video, Minneapolis police murdered Winston Smith for driving while black
driving while black. lmao. im using that one sometime
The amount of times I see the “just don’t commit crimes” argument is repulsive
Yeah, don't resist arrest... What about being yelled at to do one thing, but no! don't do that! OH! You're resisting arrest! Comply with the contradiction! Stop resisting arrest! BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG! Oh, that was so traumatic for me! I deserve a tax-free pension for the rest of my life!
End of PART 2 - ADD that resistance in the face of harm is a neurobiological response that happens in the autonomic nervous system. It's a hard-wired system that's evolved from our ancestors for survival.
My favoriate response to "you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide" is "A private life isn't evidence of a crime."
I would send this to my dad (classic far right conservative) but he would just call me a “commi cuck”
Send the video to him and say: "get served cuckservative"
I was handcuffed by a cop for a frivolous reason (then released) and the prick ABSOLUTELY used excessive force and purposefully pretended I was “resisting” when I wasn’t at all. This happened when I smiled slightly and DARED not to take him seriously, btw.
This “argument” is a practically a Gestapo tactic at this point.
It’s gaslighting for a police state.
We have EVERY reason not to trust the state
I honestly feel like you need to admit that breaking the law is sometimes, is not often, okay, as laws are used to dehumanize people. Sodomy used to be illegal. Native people using civil disobedience when our treaties are broken is illegal. Laws often are often used to deny people who actually have the legality to fight what's happening to them.
When police find nothing illegal and that a person did nothing wrong, they always seem disappointed and angry. If they really had our safety and best interest at heart, you would think they would be happy to find a good, law-abiding citizen doing their part to maintain order. But that's not how they see it. To them, everyone is guilty, everyone is a suspect, they just need to push hard enough and they can find something that "sticks."
It's a crazy double standard how people will argue that normal citizens should remain perfectly calm and compliant when they have a gun pointed at them and they are being restrained...
But those same people will defend the police for killing a teenager who was holding a water gun or a cell phone or anything, because the cops thought their lives were in danger so they panicked and defended themselves...
So the ones who are trained to deal with these sorts of situations are allowed to panic, but the normal citizens are expected to react to these brand new threatening situations calmly?
Awesome, that doesn't seem backwards at all.
I have an interresting story about "nothing to hide, nothing to fear". Which is about how you may have nothing to hide now, but may in the future.
In my country, the Netherlands, we used to have extremely accurate and well organised record keeping. The government knew everything about a person. Where they lived, their age and most importantly, their religion. But then 1940 came around, and the nazis invaded my country. And suddenly, the nazis had an extremely well organised list of where all jewish people lived. This is one of the reasons why such a large percentage of jewish people were captured in comparison to other countries.
"Don't resist arrest" coming from someone giving their kids the talk is fair. "Don't resist arrest" coming from the murderer of the arrestee is fucking disgusting.
Damn Leon! This video was EXCELLENT. You do great work, but this video was exquisite. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
One of the things that REALLY needs to be instituted is the removal of penalties for resisting if the arrest is for a crime the suspect did not commit. If you prove in court that you did not commit the crime that you were being arrested for, any and all force used to resist that arrest should be legally justified, as what you are doing is resisting being kidnapped.
If cops knew that a person could legally fight back and potentially get away with it, they would be far less eager to arrest anyone over the most minor of suspicious and encourage them to get their facts straight before attempting to detain someone. As it stands now, there are virtually no consequences for cops detaining someone for something they didn't do, and that encourages sloppy and lazy police work.
I don't think that's a good idea. It's an open door for escalation, that could end on a very fatal final note.
A better idea is to simply have better rules about arrest and detention. In my country, anybody can arrest someone comitting an offense punished by prison, but only a supervisor can decide if that arrest can be turned into a detention at the station, and the district attorney must be notified. And it's only for flagrant case.
Otherwise, an arrest must be approved by the DA.
One of my more subtle gripes against non-compliance justification is that it dehumanizes the person on the receiving power imbalance of a police interaction. Even if you wanted to make a rational argument, you would never extend it to any other situation. If someone was getting mugged at gunpoint and they were arguing with the gunman, you'd call the person a moron but would ultimately agree that the gunman is in the wrong for threatening the life of another person and trying to take their possessions. When police are involved, however, they are absolutely infallible beings and murder becomes A-OK, or worse the person at the receiving end of the gun automatically becomes a sub-human criminal and the police "had to do what had to be done".
Edit: also thank you for saying "what police do during arrests would in any other circumstance be considered assault and kidnapping" sometimes I felt crazy when no one would understand that. As someone who was personally arrested under false premises, even though the charges were immediately dropped the arrest itself has messed me up even years later.
Thank you for this.
I'm stuck in bed sick & you're keeping me company. I've learned alot 🤔
The only thing I have to add is that being unable to comply. We've seen a few incidents where disability, injury or illness mean you can't do what the police are asking.
The language barrier is an obvious example. Others people rarely think of are: Deaf people who communicate exclusively with sign language, disability that means they can't move in the way the police ask (I can't put my hands on my head or behind my back due to a shoulder injury), people who are neurodivergent who struggle with language, people with mental illnesses that involve hallucination & a bunch of others.
the thing I have noticed in many of these incidents where a person is seen "resisting" arrest and then the cop starts abusing that person is that the "suspect" that is being arrested has no idea that they are even being arrested, I have watched video after video where a police officer simply reaches out and grabs a them without any warning, they don't ever say "you are under arrest" they just start using force without warning and naturally the "suspect" will start to resist cause they haven't been told they are being arrested and then of course the cop starts to escalate and worsen the situation and then you have cops that go to arrest the first person they see without even knowing the situation, they always talk about just comply with the demands of the police, well how many times have we seen a person being completely compliant and peaceful with a cop and still get shot, Philando Castile ring any bells, there was a social worker once trying to protect a mentally ill person from the cops, he was compliant and calm with his hands up and many feet away and the cop still shot him
Loaded question reminds me of when I was 8 years old and kids would ask you "does your mom know your gay?"
Although this systemic inequality is usually addressed on this channel, i'm so glad you make a full video on this!, i know your content is mostly focused to the US but i believe we share a lot of the same issues here in México on a more violent and cynical way by the police, military and "special forces" (all of them armed to the teeth and in cahoots with cartel ) with the same protection by media and law makers sadly with no solution within reach... always touched by your empathetic and sensitive approach to writing, your work is very inspirational, looking forward for your next video already!
I wonder how police apologist view civilians exercising their 5th amendment right to silence and not self incriminate.
Ah, I found it. There’s this lecture by a lawyer on why invoking your 5th amendment right is likely your best course of action.
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(early scene from Jak 2, 2003)
Krimson Guard: Surrender and Die!
Daxter: Uh, excuse me sir, don't you mean "Surrender, *or* die"?!
Kor: Not in this city!
I never thought that scene would be relevant today...
cops be like "it's not kidnapping if we do it"
Looking back at the film Training Day I fully understand what the character of Alonso represents when it comes to police. The line " I'm the police , I run shit here you just live here" makes more sense now when discussing the institution of cops and want they represent.
The expectation: Complying when they tell you to
The reality: Getting brutalized anyways
I work in the field of civil rights litigation. I can report that the majority of clients or traumatized by a false arrest. I can also report that many of them are physically assaulted, even though they are innocent, and not suspected of a violent crime. Many are subject to sexual abuse, while they are being frisked, including groping, genitalia and breasts. Many suffer serious physical injuries from physical beatings, tasers, dog attacks, and pepper spray.
I cannot understand the how seeing officers cheat and lie the weak and poor out of their last dime in their weakest moments over, and over, and over again is ever seen as heroic.
In Europe law enforcement officers are for the most part respected and trusted and they deal with the same problems like their US colleagues do on a daily basis. I think Police in most of Europe have syndicates too and no country is immune to corruption, political influence, abuse of authority etc. My father served for decades in various law enforcement departments and has told me the difference is mostly in the protocol and procedures which must be very strict but well defined and followed to the letter. He explained that when in a uniform an officers personal beliefs and opinions are left in the locker and protocol and procedure is the only thing that matters. Also, punishment for police officers who break the law either deliberately or by accident should be more severe than the punishment of the same type for a civilian because people in authority also carry a lot more responsibility and should be held to a higher standard.
While it's fortunately not as bad as in the US, there are still many issues and abuses from cops in Europe, they are clearly supported by their hierarchy, the media at large and the laws (although with less outrageous things like qualified immunity and civil forfeiture) and very rarely punished.
Police genuinely piss me off when it comes to guns like you have tazers no it's not really ok either but the tazers usually are less likely to kill someone or even mace which also blows.
Love your content, you articulate positions that I instinctively share but lack the academic knowledge to convincingly argue amazingly well and give me ammo for debates going forward. Hop you keep doing great work like this for a long time.
I don't resist arrest but police will say that I did.
Forgot what state enacted a law if you feel you’re being illegally detained you can resist BUT the damages you get from fighting back are on you and you give up your rights to sue.
thats bullshit, self defence at the minimum, it makes no sense that they would accept they were qrong and then say that your damages are your own fault. Its just assault
Defund the police!
@@mangonel *disarm
defund?? just get rid of the fuckers and let's set something up like peacekeepers
Arm your local garbage collector. #5thmostdangerousjob
Another assumption people make is that if you are not guilty, then going to jail and getting your day in court will exonerate you. But once you are arrested, there is a 98% chance of conviction, even if you are not guilty. I would rather risk my life to run than spend a day in police custody
You see it’s quite simple, I simply cannot go to prison or else they’ll figure out that it wasn’t actually Al Capone who evaded those taxes… it was me 😔
Literally was just arrested n this feels too close to home
I hope your feeling well, I been arrested twice and it’s sucks
Our system has higher standards for criminals than for "Law Enforcement" officers in what gets someone punished appropriately for their actions.
We should have the opposite, hold police (and politicians) to a higher standard. They should be obligated to have actual knowledge of their job, the law, and constitution; it is essential to their job, to do it right. They should receive much harsher punishments for their crimes too. Lose their position, have more time behind bars, pay larger fines. Why not? They have positions of power and they abuse it, they don't know the law and/or don't care. This is disgusting.
I'm a little surprised you didn't mention arrests where "resisting arrest" is the only charge.
There is a video of a cop shooting an undercover cop who he actually knows. This vid shows how they really are, the undercover cop did obviously nothing that provoked to be shot at but still got shot
I dont think I remember if there ever was a time when i thought police officers are heroes, or seen them as a protective force. I grew up hearing bits of whispers of the few dreaded police stations that were known for torturing people in them. I was a kid when my dad got arrested for ''smuggling gasoline'', the police offered to just confiscate the goods and presume he ''learned his lesson'' and wouldnt file charges. My dad refused and took them to court, they did their best to stretch out the process hoping my dad would give up cause paying a lawyer wasnt cheap. My dad won, but they gave us a barrel of gasoline mixed with sugar water ''back''.
Then I started high school. I was attacked by a dude going home from a party one night. I managed to defend myself and ran home. Talking to the cops I was told not to even try to file anything, since '''nothing happened and i cant prove it''. My high school roommate dated a cop, one night he got drunk (yes they regularly drank during their night shifts with us), and he told me about being sent to take a statement from a girl who had called in r@pe. He was drunk then too, he and his buddy asked her parents to let them talk alone, they had a blast demanding this girl show them what the guy did to her, where he touched, hit her etc. he told me this while laughing his ass off.
Cut to a year later, on a trip with our school in front of the hotel me and 3 of my girl friends were talking, I was bitching about some dude that followed us with his car yelling shit at us. At that point a police officer that was standing a few meters away walked towards me, grabbed my arm, and pulled out his gun, saying something among the lines of: Would you like this to go take care of him? I froze, so the guy continued with something like: You girls stay with me, ill take care of those guys for you. still holding his gun in his hand, playing with it now.
I never felt safe around cops, never will. Most of them are vile abusive fucks. And just seeing them around makes me feel uneasy.
We need to start a hash tag for them delivery drivers. Brave souls getting the food to those who can't
"Laws don't apply to pigs"
-Porco Rosso
im pretty sure "gunfire" includes friendly fire and suicide, not just killed by a suspect resisting arrest
i thought that count was "in the line of duty." i doubt many commit suicide while on duty, but friendly fire would certainly count.
2:46 I saw a video comparing the background video with the tianamen square tank video (nobody got run over there)