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I know a lot of feelings are thrown into this lol but reactions on twitter lol and the real world are 2 different things. The ps5 pro willl sell out over and over lol you’re a fool if you think otherwise. I’m sure I’ll get someone on here that thinks they know better but you’ll be wrong. The ps5 pro is either where you’ll game or not lol it’s very simple. If it’s too expensive as they say get a more expensive pc lmao
You WILL be forced to buy a PS5 pro. Developers will complain about base ps5, like how they do for Series S. Sony will withhold features from base ps5 and force other developers to do the same. Gaming got super expensive.
Sony made promises of standard 4k 60fps when they marketed the OG PS5 and even put 8k on the box originally. Now they’re telling us we need PS5Pro for that. They think they’re going to fool those of us on the fence this time again…they’re wrong.
Technically they were not wrong that the PS5 is capable of outputting those kinds of resolution and frame rates but obviously didn't mention that this was not gonna happen in most games as the hardware is just not powerful enough .
Ps5 digital (with stand) $399 Ps5 pro (only digital): $699 + no stand ($29) $728 vs $399. 82 % markup 4 YEARS later for 45% more performance??? What is sony smoking? This is a $599 console at most
It's not even 45% more performance. The CPU is the same but overclocked by 10%. The only real increase is the GPU which only makes it faster, not better.
@TheWholeGrainBread_Real If the CPU changed it would no longer be a ps5. It would a ps6. Ps4 pro has same cpu as ps4. If the cpu changes the games would not recognise the console
You know what would have really helped the PS5 Pro announcement? Showing an actual new game running on the PS5 Pro, not just a bunch of old games. This would have been the perfect opportunity to showcase something like Insomniac’s Wolverine game.
@@Dis2good They didn't need to show multiple new games at this reveal. All they needed to do was show a SINGLE new game. 99% of people don't care about seeing these older games getting a minor performance/graphical boost. They want to see how new games will perform on this hardware.
The price is egregious, the demonstrations were unimpressive, but the worse is them showcasing PS4 games 5 years into the PS5 because the current PS5 exclusive catalogue is sparse and with nothing at all for the near future.
Final Fantasy XVI looked really bad for being a PS5 exclusive, not the kind of game they could use for a presentation like this either or a game that justified its exclusivity. This generation is sorely lacking in exclusive content to justify even migrating to the base PS5 and judging by the numbers, almost half of the people didn't care and stayed with their PS4s, idk how many of those migrated to PC tho. In my case, I did, sorta, and it seems the PS5 Pro is only on par with a gaming laptop. Everything they showcased are things gaming laptops already do
They shat the bed, the floor, the curtains, the ceiling, the door, everything. No new games, no new design, no disc drive, no stand, couldn't hire an editor to show the differences in resolution, couldn't hire an intern to record gameplay with an fps counter, $300 more than the non-Pro equivalent... All the signs of a mass misappropriation of funds at PlayStation. I'm calling it right now: someone is stealing money in that company.
It's poor but Xbox isn't doing a good job either I'd say they're doing worse are going to a state that's unrecoverable. The PS5 Pro even with it's ridiculous price will still push some units Xbox due to gamepass has ruined their sales as there's no incentive to buy games when game pass hell there's no real reason to own an Xbox when you can literally play anywhere and now that games are going to the PS they're direct competitor something Sony would never do as blatantly it's the writing on the wall and as an Xbox fan this might be my last one. But I still want to own both systems regardless but Xbox has become a Joke, Playstation has just become Greedy.
@@mbphilipblack8993 You're 100% right. Xbox is unsalvageable; they're almost 50 million consoles behind the PS5. They have a less than zero chance of making a comeback, which is why all of their future software is being developed for PlayStation as well. PlayStation's business feels like it's being run by criminals. I'm not joking: I wholeheartedly believe their business would fail multiple audits. There's greed, there's incompetence, and then there's illegality. Their decisions all lean towards a lack of finances; which is literally impossible for a business that makes billions of dollars in profit each year. How does a multi-billion dollar business fail to hire a $30 an hour person?
Nah, this is simply Sony being arrogant and thinking they can do anything and succeed, just like they did when going from PS2 to the PS3. Hopefully this bites them as hard as that arrogance did.
It’s kind of surprising to me that Sony can’t read the room. There has been talk of Sony being anti-consumer, willing to nickel and dime their customers, And that they don’t have enough new games. This announcement literally touched on all of those subjects, but in a way that paints Sony in an even worse light. Does Sony even have a PR team? Or is this just an indication that Sony really does feel like they can do whatever they want because they’re at the top?
@@albertogarrido6411 wait till the next generation of PS six or even the series X next generation whatever they call it, , probably be close to $800 realistically.
Funny how no one mentions how much additional money you have to spend every few months buying another controller since they fail that often. Easily another $100+ a year at the least.
Also if people want to play their physical library they have to pay for the disc drive and the vertical stand for those that need it upright. That's gonna be a total of $800.
@@lottji Hate seeing these BS comments blaming people for their controllers failing, controllers are just made worse now and you have been lucky. I have has no issue with my Dualsense but had like 4 bad Joycon sets ( treat all my controllers well and clean them with compressed air regularly) so it definitely happens and is an industry problem.
Honestly, for me, it was the disk drive. Pro versions are always expensive, and their prices always go down. But this whole digital-only future thing is annoying; it doesn't have to be that way. Companies just want to control everything and squeeze you dry.
For me it's the whole negative view on the customer side and echo-system that is going all in on digital. And yeah not including a stand is the worst part. a 10 cent component for 30$ I have been supporting this industry since 1980's and have bought to many computers and video game consoles. That i almost threw up during the showcase when the pricing and "bundle" were revealed. I then realised one thing, this is not going to stop, not going to change nor becoming cheaper. But i do not have to support this negative downward spiral
I guess broadcasting a video in 1080p with downgraded bitrate to demonstrate graphic fidelity differences was a bad idea from the start. People felt like they were invited in a contest of finding the 7 differences between the two pictures for 10 minutes...
not just that, but then revealing the price tag just kills any and all hype anyone could even have at that point. 800 euro for a PS5 pro is way too much, i'll gladly shove a bit more money for a proper PC that can do everything, instead of a PS5 pro what can only play games and watch videos/streams. I already got a PS5, why would I even be even remotely interested in the PS5 pro (also that my PC is stronger than the PS5 pro, which again can do more than a console)
@@DarkDyllon globally mobile and PC gaming has been on the rise, this will likely to accelerate things... I would save the money for a new GPU for my kids...
The curious thing is that when you have to explain to someone in a direct comparison what actually looks better, it's essentially a statement that the improvement is so minimal that it's barely noticeable. You can really tell the difference when you compare it to PC games running on ultra settings.
I've literally waited this long to get a PS5, as soon as the slim version was announced, there was rumor of the "Pro" so I waited for that. Missed out on Resi 4 Remake, FF7 Rebirth. At this point i might as well just get the Slim then.
Exactly. Most games they showed like TLOU2 or Ghost of Tsushima are already pretty flawless on the base PS5. Even games that “could” be improved like Alan Wake 2 don’t really need it.
@@lottji Ghost of Tsushima already runs at 60fps in fidelity mode to begin with, even digital foundry said the performance mode for that game is pointless on PS5
Destin, this is only a small part of the reason why it failed. Confusion regarding the visuals aside, the pricing and intentional decision to nickel and dime customers for the stand and disc drive is what's throwing off customers. At 800+ dollars for the whole console, it becomes easily feasible to build a competent PC
@@kill3rbyysighttell me you don’t know about hdmi/ Bluetooth connections that can give you chill couch experiences as well. Not negating your point but it is also achievable and I actually do it often
An even bigger issue is other countries are being ripped of even more, $699.99 is equal to £537.09 not £699.99 why are the UK paying so much more, its the same issue in Europe and Japan. Why?
I’ve watched TH-camrs talk mad crap about how the prices too expensive but near the end of the video they’ll say I’m still gonna pre-order one for review. So basically you’re going to buy one anyway and use it because you’re not gonna return it once you pre-order it.
8/10 youtubers dont give a shit, they get tons if views for talking about it, they got money to spend and they gonna get views if they get it and show this pro on their chanel
@@XVNRX no they don’t. Let’s be real they keep it and they trick you out of not buying what you really want so they can get it first. I watched them do it all the time and I’ve been watching them do it for years! Don’t let someone fool you out of your purchase. So they can get it first.
For those that it applies (AKA: Big TH-camrs who make a living from it) it can make sense since they can review and inform anyone else about it. Unless those YTers you have seen fit that bill, then yeah, they foolish man. 😆
We need to be honest about the price. With a drive and stand we are looking at $805 plus tax. For that, I can buy or build a decent computer which can play games. It might not be 17 teraflops, but it would be adequate, and also a computer. This is not cost-effective unless you have money to burn and are fanatical about console gaming. Both Sony and Microsoft promised 4K gaming at up to 120 FPS. Now Sony is telling us to spend $800 to get real 4K gaming at 60 FPS. It might be too strong to say that they lied to us, but I am feeling misled. The PS5 Pro would need to be twice as fast to do what they are promising. It is only 67% more powerful than the PS5, which is why they claimed "near fidelity mode" at 60 FPS. The PS5 and XBox Series X are good consoles. I see very little reason to spend $800 to get a better frame rate in fidelity mode. Neither will anyone else. The PS5 is four years old. Chip technology has improved a great deal in four years. After four years, they should be able to give us a more powerful system for the same $500 price.
Until the Wii came along, consoles were *always* about graphics. The Console Wars (SNES vs Genesis vs Jaguar) of the early 90s were literally all about graphics, graphics, graphics. In the 1980s, consoles were literally competing based on how closely to the arcade versions their games were - based largely on visuals. I could go on and on. Games are obviously critical to a system’s success, but to say consoles were ‘not about graphics’ in the past is patently false.
This is basically how much you will be paying for the PlayStation 5 Pro that all these big channels seem to be forgetting is going to cost players even more money. *$700.00 + Tax for PS5 PRO Console.* *$80.00-For a PS5 Disc Drive.* *$30.99-PS5 Console Stand.* *Which totals $810.00 + Tax.* Then Compile the cost of the lowest Playstation Plus service which most Gamers will be able to afford but will also add on to the cost of the PlayStation 5 Pro experience which is basically. *$80.00-PS+ Essential* And if you want a new controller to go with that if you want to have a friend play with you on the PlayStation 5 Pro here is the cost of the controller, and because of PlayStation adding a few more dollars to the cost of the controller which was very sneaky of PlayStation. *$75.00-All PS5 Controllers Price* *$965.00 + Tax* is the subtotal that you will have to pay in total for the PlayStation 5 Pro experience with the complete set of everything.
The PS5 Pro should be no more than $550 plan and simple. The core PS5 should be no more than $400 right now but as low as $350. You don't want to come down on price fine, but quick going up on it as well. It's not our fault your making trash games when you have studios with proven track records.
@@angiwells6897a 700$ console should include a disc drive though, and obviously the stand. Maybe with a disc drive, and the 2 terabyte it has in console storage (I think), it‘d justify the price of the thing a bit, but with no disc drive and stand, anything above 600$ is nonsensical for the slight graphical improvement.
Dude just said “I’m broke and can’t afford it” pretty simple. You guys want new tech for a cheap price. You guys are living in the real world or you still living inside the Meta Quest world? 😂
This is why Xbox needs to remain in business. Because if it's not, Sony's gonna be the new Apple and charge you huge amounts of money for mediocre products. Congratulations Playstation owners! Hope you're satisfied! Get used to this! 😄👍
To be fair, I don't think the shadows in that Spiderman demo look worse on PS5 Pro. That is probably a difference in the shadows actually being raytraced now instead of being a shadow map. In raytracing, shadows get increasingly blurry the farther away it is from the source of the shadow.
@DestinL I can see how you could feel that way, but simulating reality is an upgrade. The eventual PC release will have this same option I'm sure. You may be able to disable that in the options. I agree this was a bad presentation in general and I certainly don't think it is worth the cost but I can't knock them for that shadow but your point about having a developer explain the difference is valid.
I was watching the interview with Richard about his thoughts on this but then the video got taken down. I hope it'll be uploaded up again. And great points you make here, Destin.
The killzone and resistance games came out in an era when shooters were big. Halo was king and Sony needed an answer to that. Now COD is where everyone gets their shooter fix. I would like to see them at least attempt to remaster those games at improved fidelity and framerates but it will likely never happen as they don’t see the monetary sense in it
I wanted to get the pro, but after coming to realization that I would have to fork over $850 To get not only the system, the stand, the disk drive? Just to play three year old games with no new games showing promise in the future.
@@GOATxAlpha "Technical promise" no, if you have a PS5 already, don't do it. The "technical promise" is simply better graphical fidelity. It won't help FPS much unless the game was GPU bound, and even then, expect 60FPS at the max. 120FPS requires a faster CPU, and the Pro's CPU is almost identical to the base PS5, it's scary. And even the boosted frequency mode puts the CPU in line with an Xbox Series X. Otherwise, you're paying 850$ for a GPU upgrade that's not worth it. This is coming from someone who spent money on upgrading from a 980ti to a 4080. That was a worthwhile price, but I won't be buying the 50-Series Nvidia cards or the next gen AMD Cards unless the performance boost over my 4080 is over 100% in all aspects, RT included. Don't wow yourself over the promises of the PS5 Pro... remember, the PS5 Base was advertised as 4K120FPS. Now the PS5 Pro is properly advertised as 4K60FPS.
Anyone else have a problem with them advertising the PS5 Pro vertically as if that is the proper way to display it only to not allow the customer to display it properly unless they pay more? If they are going to add the disclaimers *vertical stand sold separately, why not advertise it with the disk drive since they added a disclaimer for that too? They should advertise it the way that it comes out of the box. For now, I wouldn’t complain about the price if the value was there, but I fail to see the value to give up my current PS5 that came with a disk drive. I would be paying $280 more than what I paid, and I’m not seeing a $280 improvement.
You think that by 2046 we'll get a locked 60fps? I dont know why they keep talking about 4-8k gaming when that crap just kills any chance ever getting 60fps.
Thank you for a great criticism of their presentation that is actually educated and informed. You and Digital Foundry are the only people so far I've seen doing a good job at criticizing this announcement.
They didn't talk about everything people need to know, like storage space, or if the $80 disk drive is actually compatible . That add-on is for the slim but would it fit? There was nothing saying "100% digital only." The presentation was such an amateur job and disappointing for a large company that's been in this for 30 years
@@maddworld3317 Actually Microsoft has never presented hardware in such a shit way...they've been bad, but never THIS bad. It's even hard to believe...
Instead of a 2TB system at $700, how about a 1TB system with a disc drive for $700. That would still be too much, but at least it would be an understandable price, rather than feeling like complete BS with the price now of essentially $800 with the complete package.
@@CodyvsEveryone Dude, comments are made for posting opinions. People complaining wil also not buy, and they're telling why. A fucking toy for 800$ it's ridiculous.
@@kill3rbyysight yeah you’re right. It doesn’t match it. It exceeds it when you plug it into a TV and could actually use all the features of an expensive 4K tv that a 500dollar console can’t
There's only one thing they needed to do: gameplay of GTA 6 running as "enhanced" on the ps5 pro and explained all the things in game in the way you mentioned. There is no PC version yet so the ps5 pro would be the definite version. WIN.
@@ðobbythe0bvra The whole premise behind the Pro is suss. You are not getting 250+ dollars worth of improvement in that console. It can’t be appreciably more powerful that the Stock PS5 without running into Series S vs X type problems. The price is very high for a console. Worse than the PS3 in adjusted dollars, and that console launched like a lead balloon.
@juliothom2408 Agreed because you mentioned PS3. The Sony PlayStation 3 (PS3) faced several controversies throughout its lifecycle, including issues related to its price, hardware, firmware updates, and legal battles. Here are some of the key controversies: 1. High Launch Price (2006): Problem: When the PS3 was launched, it was priced at $499 for the 20GB model and $599 for the 60GB model. This high price made it one of the most expensive consoles at the time. Reaction: Consumers and media criticized the pricing, which hurt initial sales. Sony defended the price, stating that the PS3 offered superior technology, such as the Blu-ray player, which was a new feature then. 2. Removal of "OtherOS" Feature (2010): Problem: Sony initially allowed users to install alternative operating systems (like Linux) on the PS3 through the "OtherOS" feature. However, in 2010, Sony removed this feature via a firmware update, citing security concerns. Reaction: This upset a significant number of users, particularly in the hacking and modding community. It led to a class-action lawsuit, and prominent hacker George "Geohot" Hotz filed a lawsuit against Sony. The removal also fueled an increase in PS3 hacking attempts. 3. Hacking and the George Hotz Lawsuit (2011): Problem: Following the removal of OtherOS, hacker George Hotz managed to jailbreak the PS3, giving users control over the system to run unauthorized software, including pirated games. Sony sued Hotz, leading to a highly publicized legal battle. Reaction: The hacking community saw this as a challenge to their rights to modify hardware they owned. Hotz eventually settled with Sony out of court, but the event further polarized consumers, with some siding with Hotz and others supporting Sony’s right to protect its platform. 4. 2011 PlayStation Network (PSN) Breach: Problem: In April 2011, the PlayStation Network was hacked, compromising the personal data of 77 million users. The network was down for 23 days, making it one of the largest data breaches in gaming history. Reaction: Sony faced a public relations crisis due to the extended downtime and the massive loss of user data. Consumers were outraged by the lack of transparency, as it took Sony several days to inform the public of the breach. Sony eventually offered free games and services as compensation, but the incident damaged its reputation. 5. Backward Compatibility Issues: Problem: Early PS3 models were backward compatible with PlayStation 2 (PS2) games due to the inclusion of dedicated PS2 hardware. However, to cut costs, Sony removed this feature in later versions, leaving users unable to play their older games on newer PS3 models. Reaction: The removal of backward compatibility disappointed many fans, especially those who had large PS2 game libraries. Sony faced criticism for changing a feature that was initially advertised as a selling point. 6. YLOD (Yellow Light of Death): Problem: The PS3 suffered from hardware issues like the Yellow Light of Death (YLOD), similar to the Xbox 360's Red Ring of Death. This hardware failure indicated that the console had overheated or experienced another significant problem. Reaction: Many users were frustrated by this issue, as it often required expensive repairs or a complete replacement. Some criticized Sony for not addressing the problem more proactively. 7. Cell Processor Development Controversy: Problem: The PS3's Cell processor, developed in collaboration with IBM and Toshiba, was extremely powerful but notoriously difficult to develop games for. Developers complained about the complexity of programming for the PS3, leading to some games being poorly optimized compared to the Xbox 360 versions. Reaction: While Sony boasted about the power of the Cell processor, some developers criticized the company for making a console that was harder to work with, which affected the performance and quality of multi-platform games. Overall, despite these controversies, the PS3 managed to sell over 87 million units worldwide and became a beloved console for many players, especially after overcoming its early struggles.
Sony is forced to raise their prices on everything due to loosing hundreds of millions of dollars from low sells on their games, loosing the exclusivity of COD etc etc
You probably right. They seem to have ditched the strategy of losing money on the hardware to make it up later with game and accessory sales. Now that games take 5 years to develop they can no longer bank on this
@@Neo_Rain146 maybe they should actually push the devs instead of saying "take your time" why does it take 4-5 years (or in the case of Concord 8 years) to make a mediocre looking game when previously games took 2-3 years.
@@DarkDyllonevery AAA game is going to take 5 years to make. There's no way around it unless we scale back to AA games. The obsession of graphic fidelity, open-world game design and cinematic game experience is what is pushing the lenghty game development time.
@@DarkDyllon Sure but then all you are going to see is day one unfinished games that need multiple patches like Cyberpunk. Games now are resource intensive and can’t be churned out with the quality people expect in 2-3 years unless we go back to PS3 graphical fidelity which isn’t an option.
@@Neo_Rain146 I call BS on this. if we look for example to MGS4 on the PS3, it looks really good, still to this day, yet all devs nowadays want is chase this random photorealism and instead of taking 3 years to develop it takes 5 years to develop, that's literally half a console generation. news flash, a console needs games to be relevant, and the PS5 simply doesn't have these games to stay relevant, it's laughable howmany games the PS5 has ... now they want us to pay 800 euro for a slight upgrade?
I personally, could care less about Ray tracing. It’s a nice addition, but I believe the higher frame rates are the priority and nothing that has been shown is worth the upgrade for the price.
When there is no competition this happens. If xbox were actually competitive, and there were comparable series x pro, Sony would not dare to go with this price
If Sony doesn't see Xbox as competition, then why do they even bother paying for timed exclusives solely to keep games off Xbox like with Silent Hill 2 Remake? If Xbox is so irrelevant, then Sony shouldn't even need to pay devs like Konami, they should just skip Xbox willingly. And why do they copy everything Xbox does, like how they turned PS Plus into an inferior Game Pass rip-off?
@@jimmythegamer2231 Exclusivity deals haven't been done yesterday dude. They are done years before even before next gen is out. Microsoft abandoning Xbox and becoming 3rd party like ubisoft has started after Activision deal.
Great breakdown of the failings of the reveal trailer. I know people are in shock from the price, but the way they handled this presentation is a big part of their problem
Major flop. And not because of the no disc drive. It’s not 1990 and physical media is dead. It’s an over priced mediocre upgrade that doesn’t even get 120 FPS at the current quality fidelity. I have plenty of disposable income (assumed targeted audience) I rather over pay to get the switch 2 asap.
@@KesterStudioslet’s look at sales… oh wait 95% of game sales are digital 😂 Can you show me your music disk collection? Wait, they’re all on your phone? Digitally?
@DestinL I would offer that a potential reason they did not show studios speaking to specific PS5 Pro enhancements is because they are telling developers that they don't have to do anything like re-master assets or code in new graphic features. Developers can get a PS5 Pro Enhanced label with minimal changes and a recompile. If developers do more than this then it would be for new games or just because they want to. It is unlikely game developers are going to use the PS5 Pro as a baseline in general so Sony is telling both gamers and developers what they get for free with more powerful hardware is compelling and worth their time and money. They are not requesting or selling that developers can or should enhance their games. Instead, developers can get a PS5 Pro Enhanced label --- and potentially up-charge for that --- with minimal cost to themselves. That last bit is just a prediction --- but I would be on the lookout for this if the PS5 Pro gets any traction at all.
Not sure if anyone else is talking about it but if the PS5 Pro is $699. Then the next Xbox/PS6 will be right there as well. If not maybe another $100-$200 more. This needs to be the Gen that bridges the gap between Console and PC!
Nice catch with the Spiderman 2 shadows. To me, it looked like they've switched to ray traced shadows for the Pro version given the extra softness from far away objects. Those were exposed on PC as an optional setting but disabled on the base PS5.
Ever since the Xbox one and ps4 we’ve been marketed that these consoles are capable of 1080p 60fps. Xbox one x and ps4 pro they told us they’re capable of 4k 30fps on graphics and 1080p 60fps on performance. Xbox series x and ps5 we were told they’re capable of 4k 120fps. Now they’re trying to tell us this ps5 pro is capable of….. what? Better clarity on distant backgrounds???? Smoother frames???? You mean the same talking points since the Xbox one and ps4????? We are in the era of diminishing returns. $700 for this console far over priced.
Spot on. Little perceived value for a price that's not great to put it mildly. Remember how PS4 blew Xbox One with the price reveal and used physical game stuff? The PS4 Pro coincided with a lowered PS4 price and launched with the same price of the PS4 at launch. This costs way more than the PS5 at launch (with the disc), has a nice bump in graphical prowess but the value just isn't there. If the 700 price included the stand, drive and a playstation pro controller (not the standard one), it would have been a killer value. This reeks of Apple 1200 USD Pro cellphone launch price.
The problem wasnt the presentation. Its definitely the price. Even if the presentation was spot on, it would still be in the shadow of the price. $599 with disc drive or $499 digital would have sold. And also cut the price of PS5 $100. Sony, from what ive heard, never really profits off the consoles, they profit off the games. I guess Sony needs to pay for their yachts.
I did not watch the CNET video, but I DID reas the article version of their hands on. And while it was largely positive, it did also admit that for a lot the games demo'd the improvements were so small, he really needed to see it side by side with the base PS5 to even notice an improvement
TH-cam is a terrible way to show this stuff off. Sony needs to offer a stand alone video that could be played on gamers PS5's or offered as a download with proper high quality encoding.
Issues that are issue but dont effect me: no disk drive, different pricing outside US Issues i have: no stand (not the biggest deal but dont like), nothing is bundled with it. Prospective: millions during the scalping issue paid more for base ps5 then the pro cost. Find me a pc at the same prices with the same specs and performance, you cant even with used and refurbished parts you'll pay alot more, those saying otherwise are capping hard. Lastly its an upgrade to base ps5 but if you already have a ps5 this wont make you want to upgrade unless you're a power user. This is for those like me who still have a ps4 and been waiting. Ill still be waiting for bundles and testing but ill be paying less for the pro than most did for the base ps5 or pc with the same specs. Also side note that increase in controllers is wild af. But i do feel like some have real concern and those are players with hard copy libraries or living outside the US, if you are all digital and in the US you're probably just riding the complain train.
Great take on the whole thing, really like how you're the ONLY one saying anything positive about such a negative situation. Yes, SONY made a miss with this one! Lack of Competition causes Over-pricing, Over-confidence & trying to "reach' too far without reading the Community & World in general. The Price looks like it was set WITH the drive, then some Exec. Cried the Profit Margin was too low ! So they pulled out the drive & Left the Price. I've Owned Every PS product, I'll pass on this one. Thx for the insightful breakdown !
All your point are spot on, gave it to Digital Foundry you rather then CNET, but of course they wont, as LA based company they will naturally mire inclined to mainstream media outlet
"Skeletor Reveals the PS5 Pro" sums up the whole reveal debacle perfectly. If you haven't seen it already, look it up 😂 *He-Man:* *_"Who asked for this?"_* *He-Man:* *_"Whereas the Disc Drive?"_* *Skeletor:* *_"We Don't Know!"_*
Honestly Destin I watched it and felt like I do watching new GPU reveals. "Oh OK the performance jump from the last model is only incremental, guess I'll wait until the next one."
Dustin, the ray tracing part Mark Cerny stated was the sun's reflection in the water. Also, I watched the presentation on my 4K TV, and I could see the differences very well. However, the price is steep. I feel $600 would of been a better price instead of $700.
IMO IF I was going to show off ray tracing improvements in GT7 specifically I would have shown it off during a raining race at night(maybe a city map with lots of lights to?) to show off how much better the effects and reflecting are with with the PS5 Pro.I’d put the PS5 Pro in the middle versus the PS5 in performance 60 FPS mode on one side and vs resolution mode on the other. Then slow down the game play like Destin suggested. Doing all that would have really showcased all the improvements to both performance and resolution the PS5 Pro is really giving players with all the new technology the console is offering!
The fact that there's no new software to showcase the PS5 Pro is crazy. Showcasing 2-4 year old content in higher fidelity as the selling point is insane.
Insane price aside, they talked all this big 3 stuff up with their version of DLSS and a GPU with 67% more CUs but it all just got translated as Fidelity mode at 60 fps. Everyone already has 60 fps at home.
AMD Ryzen 5 5500 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor 80$. Asus PRIME B550M-A WIFI II Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard 100$. Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory 42$. TEAMGROUP MP33 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive. Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB Video Card 300$. Montech AIR 903 MAX ATX Mid Tower Case 75$. EVGA SuperNOVA 750 GT 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply 90$. Total build cost is 783$ which is the price of a PS5 pro with a disc drive. It's cheaper than the pro if you exclude the stand. Has 16GB of VRAM and access to DLSS 3 and Frame Generation technology. Has 2TB of storage also. I wonder why it's that way. Maybe it's because of things like this.
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Why they had the creepiest man alive unveil it...
I know a lot of feelings are thrown into this lol but reactions on twitter lol and the real world are 2 different things. The ps5 pro willl sell out over and over lol you’re a fool if you think otherwise. I’m sure I’ll get someone on here that thinks they know better but you’ll be wrong. The ps5 pro is either where you’ll game or not lol it’s very simple. If it’s too expensive as they say get a more expensive pc lmao
Will it have low frame rate vrr and will it have it have full rgb color space in 120hz mode
Oh god the complain brigade is out on an optional product lol
You WILL be forced to buy a PS5 pro. Developers will complain about base ps5, like how they do for Series S. Sony will withhold features from base ps5 and force other developers to do the same. Gaming got super expensive.
Sony made promises of standard 4k 60fps when they marketed the OG PS5 and even put 8k on the box originally. Now they’re telling us we need PS5Pro for that. They think they’re going to fool those of us on the fence this time again…they’re wrong.
The games Sony first party bring out always look amazing. Third party games however are now unoptimised messes this generation.
@@Etheral101 they literally showed first party games in the reveal and showed how poor they are in comparison. Nice try though.
What first party games??
Right! 😂 this lil mfr is smokin something good...
Technically they were not wrong that the PS5 is capable of outputting those kinds of resolution and frame rates but obviously didn't mention that this was not gonna happen in most games as the hardware is just not powerful enough .
Ps5 digital (with stand) $399
Ps5 pro (only digital): $699 + no stand ($29)
$728 vs $399.
82 % markup 4 YEARS later for 45% more performance???
What is sony smoking?
This is a $599 console at most
It's not even 45% more performance. The CPU is the same but overclocked by 10%. The only real increase is the GPU which only makes it faster, not better.
Concord!!!!!
@@TheWholeGrainBread_Real So what's the point?
Things are more expensive than 4 years ago.
@TheWholeGrainBread_Real If the CPU changed it would no longer be a ps5. It would a ps6. Ps4 pro has same cpu as ps4. If the cpu changes the games would not recognise the console
On PS5 Pro you can finally play PS4 games at 60FPS. FOR JUST 1000USD!!(UK pricing with disk drive, said Tom Warren)
WHAT A DEAL!!!
But can you play Bloodborne at 4k 60fps!? 🤪
@@ArcueidBrunestuddo uhhh
Would guess not, because if it could the PS5 would have already done it. But would be cool nonetheless
Wait is this true or a joke?
I bought the PS5 to play PS4 games at 30FPS without the console sounding like a 747 taking off.
After so many years of lies about the real performance of the "next generation console," they finally decided to be honest.
They sold ps5 and Xbox series x as 4k at 60 to 120z now they say you have to get a ps5 pro to play at 60z
Xbox can't even get their flagship games to launch with 60 fps
It's gonna push the promise this time to get 60fps with Ray tracing.
@@CMB_1991-r6zthat wasn’t the point of his comment 🤦🏾♂️
@@CMB_1991-r6zneither can Playstation
@@CMB_1991-r6znone of them can Einstein... Next question?
You know what would have really helped the PS5 Pro announcement? Showing an actual new game running on the PS5 Pro, not just a bunch of old games. This would have been the perfect opportunity to showcase something like Insomniac’s Wolverine game.
Probably get a state of play just before TGS starts, seeing as the 26th is when pre-orders start...that being said I'm happy with my ps5 as is
I liked seeing The Last of Us and FF7 Rebirth with PS5 Pro. It made a difference for me. I’m sure there will be a separate showcase for new games 😊
@@Dis2good They didn't need to show multiple new games at this reveal. All they needed to do was show a SINGLE new game. 99% of people don't care about seeing these older games getting a minor performance/graphical boost. They want to see how new games will perform on this hardware.
Poor ponnies they already lost the wolverine game before arrival 🤣
@@hibeftghrrfb4315 Dont know where you Xbots are getting that info from lmao, As Wolverine is still exclusive to Ps5 right now lmao.
It’s going to cost $1375 here in New Zealand… wtf 🤣
Around the same in South Africa, blooooooody hell :-D
That's ridiculous
@@sebastianesilva398 😯
thats what u get for not saying your 'R's correctly!
@@brianm2238thats hilarious
The price is egregious, the demonstrations were unimpressive, but the worse is them showcasing PS4 games 5 years into the PS5 because the current PS5 exclusive catalogue is sparse and with nothing at all for the near future.
Honestly makes you wonder... Could an entire catalogue be filled by the cancelled PS5 games at this point?
Final Fantasy XVI looked really bad for being a PS5 exclusive, not the kind of game they could use for a presentation like this either or a game that justified its exclusivity. This generation is sorely lacking in exclusive content to justify even migrating to the base PS5 and judging by the numbers, almost half of the people didn't care and stayed with their PS4s, idk how many of those migrated to PC tho. In my case, I did, sorta, and it seems the PS5 Pro is only on par with a gaming laptop. Everything they showcased are things gaming laptops already do
They shat the bed, the floor, the curtains, the ceiling, the door, everything.
No new games, no new design, no disc drive, no stand, couldn't hire an editor to show the differences in resolution, couldn't hire an intern to record gameplay with an fps counter, $300 more than the non-Pro equivalent...
All the signs of a mass misappropriation of funds at PlayStation. I'm calling it right now: someone is stealing money in that company.
It's poor but Xbox isn't doing a good job either I'd say they're doing worse are going to a state that's unrecoverable. The PS5 Pro even with it's ridiculous price will still push some units Xbox due to gamepass has ruined their sales as there's no incentive to buy games when game pass hell there's no real reason to own an Xbox when you can literally play anywhere and now that games are going to the PS they're direct competitor something Sony would never do as blatantly it's the writing on the wall and as an Xbox fan this might be my last one. But I still want to own both systems regardless but Xbox has become a Joke, Playstation has just become Greedy.
@@mbphilipblack8993 You're 100% right. Xbox is unsalvageable; they're almost 50 million consoles behind the PS5. They have a less than zero chance of making a comeback, which is why all of their future software is being developed for PlayStation as well.
PlayStation's business feels like it's being run by criminals. I'm not joking: I wholeheartedly believe their business would fail multiple audits. There's greed, there's incompetence, and then there's illegality. Their decisions all lean towards a lack of finances; which is literally impossible for a business that makes billions of dollars in profit each year.
How does a multi-billion dollar business fail to hire a $30 an hour person?
Nah, this is simply Sony being arrogant and thinking they can do anything and succeed, just like they did when going from PS2 to the PS3. Hopefully this bites them as hard as that arrogance did.
@@golddragongaming1 It will fail. Far too many people are displeased with it.
@@Ankobiotics I certainly hope so. I want them to learn their lesson and try hard to earn our trust back like they did when going from the PS3 to PS4.
It’s kind of surprising to me that Sony can’t read the room. There has been talk of Sony being anti-consumer, willing to nickel and dime their customers, And that they don’t have enough new games. This announcement literally touched on all of those subjects, but in a way that paints Sony in an even worse light.
Does Sony even have a PR team? Or is this just an indication that Sony really does feel like they can do whatever they want because they’re at the top?
699 for a FPS and slight graphics boost was the flop
799 in EU and If you want Optical drive and stand 950 Eur
Don't forget the exclusion of a disk drove and a basic stand
I am gonna do a trade in of my ps5 for the pro so it's really not bad for me.
Another $100 for the stand and disc drive.
@@albertogarrido6411 wait till the next generation of PS six or even the series X next generation whatever they call it, , probably be close to $800 realistically.
Funny how no one mentions how much additional money you have to spend every few months buying another controller since they fail that often. Easily another $100+ a year at the least.
I keep seeing people say this and I have no idea what you’re doing to your controllers. I’ve only had one for years and it’s perfectly fine
@@lottjiIts a real problem. No jk
Also if people want to play their physical library they have to pay for the disc drive and the vertical stand for those that need it upright. That's gonna be a total of $800.
@@lottji Hate seeing these BS comments blaming people for their controllers failing, controllers are just made worse now and you have been lucky. I have has no issue with my Dualsense but had like 4 bad Joycon sets ( treat all my controllers well and clean them with compressed air regularly) so it definitely happens and is an industry problem.
I'm surprised the ps5 pro even comes with a controller at this point.
Honestly, for me, it was the disk drive. Pro versions are always expensive, and their prices always go down. But this whole digital-only future thing is annoying; it doesn't have to be that way. Companies just want to control everything and squeeze you dry.
For me it's the whole negative view on the customer side and echo-system that is going all in on digital.
And yeah not including a stand is the worst part. a 10 cent component for 30$
I have been supporting this industry since 1980's and have bought to many computers and video game consoles. That i almost threw up during the showcase when the pricing and "bundle" were revealed.
I then realised one thing, this is not going to stop, not going to change nor becoming cheaper.
But i do not have to support this negative downward spiral
I guess broadcasting a video in 1080p with downgraded bitrate to demonstrate graphic fidelity differences was a bad idea from the start. People felt like they were invited in a contest of finding the 7 differences between the two pictures for 10 minutes...
not just that, but then revealing the price tag just kills any and all hype anyone could even have at that point.
800 euro for a PS5 pro is way too much, i'll gladly shove a bit more money for a proper PC that can do everything, instead of a PS5 pro what can only play games and watch videos/streams.
I already got a PS5, why would I even be even remotely interested in the PS5 pro (also that my PC is stronger than the PS5 pro, which again can do more than a console)
@@DarkDyllon globally mobile and PC gaming has been on the rise, this will likely to accelerate things...
I would save the money for a new GPU for my kids...
They can blame Xbox all they want for not competing, but now is up to the consumer to kick Sony in their teeth.
Yea sure 😂 it will probably sell millions of copies
Sony: let's skip the scalpers and scalp our customers
so true... this is wat i think all da time
Gotta cut out that middle man.
Scalpers won't even touch it tbh. Sony really have cut out all parties it seems. Even the direct customer
Sony: Incremental enhancements, overpriced, no games, and Garth from Wayne's World... what could go wrong.
What about free backwards compatibility? Oh, just Garth. Ok.
The curious thing is that when you have to explain to someone in a direct comparison what actually looks better, it's essentially a statement that the improvement is so minimal that it's barely noticeable. You can really tell the difference when you compare it to PC games running on ultra settings.
I could tell there was a difference between normal ps5 and pro. But they’ve market it terribly
I keep telling everybody that there's no point in Pros. Just wait for the Ps6 that's just a few years down the road.
Or better yet, wait for the next gen Xbox hybrid that’ll be out in two years and will leapfrog the PS5 Pro technologically…
@@JazzzRockFuzion Then it will cost a fortune if it shall leapfrog the pro.
I've literally waited this long to get a PS5, as soon as the slim version was announced, there was rumor of the "Pro" so I waited for that. Missed out on Resi 4 Remake, FF7 Rebirth. At this point i might as well just get the Slim then.
I will keep my ps5 it good enough
Exactly. Most games they showed like TLOU2 or Ghost of Tsushima are already pretty flawless on the base PS5. Even games that “could” be improved like Alan Wake 2 don’t really need it.
I was blown away by how photorealistic the Black Ops 6 Beta was on PS5!
Same. 700 I’m saving for a gpu lol
Me too
@@lottji Ghost of Tsushima already runs at 60fps in fidelity mode to begin with, even digital foundry said the performance mode for that game is pointless on PS5
Destin, this is only a small part of the reason why it failed. Confusion regarding the visuals aside, the pricing and intentional decision to nickel and dime customers for the stand and disc drive is what's throwing off customers.
At 800+ dollars for the whole console, it becomes easily feasible to build a competent PC
I mean yeah but that part is kind of obvious 😅
Pc gaming can never match couch play big TV and home theatre experience of a console.. it becomes more of a job on pc than chill
@@kill3rbyysighttell me you don’t know about hdmi/ Bluetooth connections that can give you chill couch experiences as well. Not negating your point but it is also achievable and I actually do it often
It feels like Apple. Selling you an iphone, but buy charger separately
@@dwainjoseph6259 am too lazy to try to get that to work lmao
An even bigger issue is other countries are being ripped of even more, $699.99 is equal to £537.09 not £699.99 why are the UK paying so much more, its the same issue in Europe and Japan. Why?
In Canada, factoring in sales tax, PS5 Pro will cost over 1000$ and that's not including the stand or the disc drive...
EU has some BS electrical component tax. It's $880 in Europe (excluding the disc drive.)
I’ve watched TH-camrs talk mad crap about how the prices too expensive but near the end of the video they’ll say I’m still gonna pre-order one for review. So basically you’re going to buy one anyway and use it because you’re not gonna return it once you pre-order it.
Most TH-camrs really do return it
8/10 youtubers dont give a shit, they get tons if views for talking about it, they got money to spend and they gonna get views if they get it and show this pro on their chanel
@@XVNRX no they don’t. Let’s be real they keep it and they trick you out of not buying what you really want so they can get it first. I watched them do it all the time and I’ve been watching them do it for years! Don’t let someone fool you out of your purchase. So they can get it first.
A lot of you tubers get them for free to review
For those that it applies (AKA: Big TH-camrs who make a living from it) it can make sense since they can review and inform anyone else about it.
Unless those YTers you have seen fit that bill, then yeah, they foolish man. 😆
If it had full emulator support for ps1 ps2 ps3 maybe I would consider getting one
Sounds like a PC to me.
native (non emulated) support for ps1-3 and you sold me
Wouldn't ps3 be difficult to emulate?
@@headshotmaster138Well Playstation does have the source code, it would be easier than an entire emulation studio without it lol
License issues like a MOFO is that happened
Sony: Look, picture looks better.
Audience: Huh
Sony: $700
Audience: WHAAATTTT
We’re back to dealing with PS3 era Sony, so I’m going to treat them like PS3 era Sony and invest in Steam/Nintendo.
Ok have fun
We need to be honest about the price. With a drive and stand we are looking at $805 plus tax. For that, I can buy or build a decent computer which can play games. It might not be 17 teraflops, but it would be adequate, and also a computer. This is not cost-effective unless you have money to burn and are fanatical about console gaming.
Both Sony and Microsoft promised 4K gaming at up to 120 FPS. Now Sony is telling us to spend $800 to get real 4K gaming at 60 FPS. It might be too strong to say that they lied to us, but I am feeling misled.
The PS5 Pro would need to be twice as fast to do what they are promising. It is only 67% more powerful than the PS5, which is why they claimed "near fidelity mode" at 60 FPS.
The PS5 and XBox Series X are good consoles. I see very little reason to spend $800 to get a better frame rate in fidelity mode. Neither will anyone else.
The PS5 is four years old. Chip technology has improved a great deal in four years. After four years, they should be able to give us a more powerful system for the same $500 price.
Consoles used to be about features and games, not graphics.
Until the Wii came along, consoles were *always* about graphics. The Console Wars (SNES vs Genesis vs Jaguar) of the early 90s were literally all about graphics, graphics, graphics.
In the 1980s, consoles were literally competing based on how closely to the arcade versions their games were - based largely on visuals. I could go on and on.
Games are obviously critical to a system’s success, but to say consoles were ‘not about graphics’ in the past is patently false.
I do not slow my games down to look at graphics enhancements and Shadows
This is basically how much you will be paying for the PlayStation 5 Pro that all these big channels seem to be forgetting is going to cost players even more money.
*$700.00 + Tax for PS5 PRO Console.*
*$80.00-For a PS5 Disc Drive.*
*$30.99-PS5 Console Stand.*
*Which totals $810.00 + Tax.*
Then Compile the cost of the lowest Playstation Plus service which most Gamers will be able to afford but will also add on to the cost of the PlayStation 5 Pro experience which is basically.
*$80.00-PS+ Essential*
And if you want a new controller to go with that if you want to have a friend play with you on the PlayStation 5 Pro here is the cost of the controller, and because of PlayStation adding a few more dollars to the cost of the controller which was very sneaky of PlayStation.
*$75.00-All PS5 Controllers Price*
*$965.00 + Tax* is the subtotal that you will have to pay in total for the PlayStation 5 Pro experience with the complete set of everything.
will my old ps4 headset even work with this? other issues will pop up we not even thinking of
@@votpavel yeah it should work
The PS5 Pro should be no more than $550 plan and simple. The core PS5 should be no more than $400 right now but as low as $350. You don't want to come down on price fine, but quick going up on it as well. It's not our fault your making trash games when you have studios with proven track records.
And no more than $600 for a disc version of PS5 Pro. And the vertical stand should be included. The fact that it is sold separately is ridiculous.
You not getting 4k 60 with a 550 price you know nothing about tech smh
@@angiwells6897a 700$ console should include a disc drive though, and obviously the stand. Maybe with a disc drive, and the 2 terabyte it has in console storage (I think), it‘d justify the price of the thing a bit, but with no disc drive and stand, anything above 600$ is nonsensical for the slight graphical improvement.
@@angiwells6897found the Sony bootlicker
Dude just said “I’m broke and can’t afford it” pretty simple. You guys want new tech for a cheap price. You guys are living in the real world or you still living inside the Meta Quest world? 😂
This is why Xbox needs to remain in business. Because if it's not, Sony's gonna be the new Apple and charge you huge amounts of money for mediocre products. Congratulations Playstation owners! Hope you're satisfied! Get used to this! 😄👍
No. It’s 700 and no disc drive. That’s it. Period. That’s the reason.
To be fair, I don't think the shadows in that Spiderman demo look worse on PS5 Pro. That is probably a difference in the shadows actually being raytraced now instead of being a shadow map. In raytracing, shadows get increasingly blurry the farther away it is from the source of the shadow.
And sometimes… ray tracing looks worse imo.
Correct, it's called penumbra. On the left side the penumbra is too sharp, while on the right side on PS5 Pro it's arguably more realistic.
@DestinL I can see how you could feel that way, but simulating reality is an upgrade. The eventual PC release will have this same option I'm sure. You may be able to disable that in the options. I agree this was a bad presentation in general and I certainly don't think it is worth the cost but I can't knock them for that shadow but your point about having a developer explain the difference is valid.
I was watching the interview with Richard about his thoughts on this but then the video got taken down. I hope it'll be uploaded up again. And great points you make here, Destin.
Fix the price and include a disc drive for starters!
disc drive and stand. That or lower the price by $100 dollars at least.
Why doesn’t Sony make a Killzone game, or even a Jak & Daxter game?
too busy making shit like concord
The killzone and resistance games came out in an era when shooters were big. Halo was king and Sony needed an answer to that. Now COD is where everyone gets their shooter fix. I would like to see them at least attempt to remaster those games at improved fidelity and framerates but it will likely never happen as they don’t see the monetary sense in it
Remember people. Vote with your wallets..
I wanted to get the pro, but after coming to realization that I would have to fork over $850 To get not only the system, the stand, the disk drive?
Just to play three year old games with no new games showing promise in the future.
And I know the technical promise that the pro shows but.
I see no games that make me want to need it
@@GOATxAlpha "Technical promise" no, if you have a PS5 already, don't do it. The "technical promise" is simply better graphical fidelity. It won't help FPS much unless the game was GPU bound, and even then, expect 60FPS at the max. 120FPS requires a faster CPU, and the Pro's CPU is almost identical to the base PS5, it's scary. And even the boosted frequency mode puts the CPU in line with an Xbox Series X.
Otherwise, you're paying 850$ for a GPU upgrade that's not worth it. This is coming from someone who spent money on upgrading from a 980ti to a 4080. That was a worthwhile price, but I won't be buying the 50-Series Nvidia cards or the next gen AMD Cards unless the performance boost over my 4080 is over 100% in all aspects, RT included.
Don't wow yourself over the promises of the PS5 Pro... remember, the PS5 Base was advertised as 4K120FPS. Now the PS5 Pro is properly advertised as 4K60FPS.
For sure. Spend that money on anything else i bet you feel much better
Might as well get a pc at this point
850 is way too much for a console
Stick with the base 5 then
Anyone else have a problem with them advertising the PS5 Pro vertically as if that is the proper way to display it only to not allow the customer to display it properly unless they pay more? If they are going to add the disclaimers *vertical stand sold separately, why not advertise it with the disk drive since they added a disclaimer for that too? They should advertise it the way that it comes out of the box. For now, I wouldn’t complain about the price if the value was there, but I fail to see the value to give up my current PS5 that came with a disk drive. I would be paying $280 more than what I paid, and I’m not seeing a $280 improvement.
PlayStation's marketing team should be embarrassed. What were they thinking?
The reveal of the price was a TeraFlop
😂
And then you went and pre ordered one. Congrats you hypocrite.
You nailed it ! They really didn't know how to convey what the PS5 Pro could do very well.
GTA 6 WILL BE A BUNDLE FOR THE NEW XBOX 2026 🎉🎉🎉
fix the price tag, simple as that
You think that by 2046 we'll get a locked 60fps? I dont know why they keep talking about 4-8k gaming when that crap just kills any chance ever getting 60fps.
Thank you for a great criticism of their presentation that is actually educated and informed. You and Digital Foundry are the only people so far I've seen doing a good job at criticizing this announcement.
They didn't talk about everything people need to know, like storage space, or if the $80 disk drive is actually compatible . That add-on is for the slim but would it fit? There was nothing saying "100% digital only." The presentation was such an amateur job and disappointing for a large company that's been in this for 30 years
This is such a good point even beyond what I discussed.
@@DestinL it's a mess, lol. There's too many mistakes to keep track of
@@PnC_GameZnThingZ I'm Xbox only to be up front, but they're putting out Xbox quality messaging right now - it's one of X's weakest points
@@maddworld3317 messaging thats out of touch from the gaming community
@@maddworld3317 Actually Microsoft has never presented hardware in such a shit way...they've been bad, but never THIS bad. It's even hard to believe...
Thank you for your views sir. Always a pleasure enjoying your hard work.
Instead of a 2TB system at $700, how about a 1TB system with a disc drive for $700. That would still be too much, but at least it would be an understandable price, rather than feeling like complete BS with the price now of essentially $800 with the complete package.
The system is only 200 more than the base one . If ppl can't afford it with a trade in them don't buy but the amount of ppl crying is ridiculous
@@CodyvsEveryone Dude, comments are made for posting opinions. People complaining wil also not buy, and they're telling why. A fucking toy for 800$ it's ridiculous.
Just saying that my PS4 Pro works plenty fine, thanks. I'm going to pass...
It doesn't matter, it's not worth it. I'm tired of this price gouging. I'd rather upgrade my GPU after a year of building my PC and get a Switch 2.
It's possible to enhance this console's appeal and functionality through improvement and feedback.
Pc gaming can never match couch play big TV and home theatre experience of a console.. it becomes more of a job on pc than chill
@@kill3rbyysight yeah you’re right. It doesn’t match it. It exceeds it when you plug it into a TV and could actually use all the features of an expensive 4K tv that a 500dollar console can’t
I just don't see the reason for a PS5 Pro when you don't have games releasing and your showing PS4 games on a PS5 Pro
Business wise this is awful. If.i.did that at the office I.would.have been.fired.
maybe its on purpose, they threw the price out there to test the waters and see the reaction
@@votpaveldid they forget what happened with the ps3 or sth?
There's only one thing they needed to do: gameplay of GTA 6 running as "enhanced" on the ps5 pro and explained all the things in game in the way you mentioned. There is no PC version yet so the ps5 pro would be the definite version. WIN.
The CNET video decisions are wild.
Ps6 will cost a bomb for sure
Who is going to spend 700$+ to replay games, you can't release a new system without software. No one cares about raytracing..
Who was going to pay$500 to play old Xbox games....?
🤦🏿😎
You can’t fix this. It’s garbage.
That's absolutely wrong, for sure. It's possible through feedback improvements.
@@ðobbythe0bvra The whole premise behind the Pro is suss.
You are not getting 250+ dollars worth of improvement in that console. It can’t be appreciably more powerful that the Stock PS5 without running into Series S vs X type problems.
The price is very high for a console. Worse than the PS3 in adjusted dollars, and that console launched like a lead balloon.
@juliothom2408 Agreed because you mentioned PS3.
The Sony PlayStation 3 (PS3) faced several controversies throughout its lifecycle, including issues related to its price, hardware, firmware updates, and legal battles. Here are some of the key controversies:
1. High Launch Price (2006):
Problem: When the PS3 was launched, it was priced at $499 for the 20GB model and $599 for the 60GB model. This high price made it one of the most expensive consoles at the time.
Reaction: Consumers and media criticized the pricing, which hurt initial sales. Sony defended the price, stating that the PS3 offered superior technology, such as the Blu-ray player, which was a new feature then.
2. Removal of "OtherOS" Feature (2010):
Problem: Sony initially allowed users to install alternative operating systems (like Linux) on the PS3 through the "OtherOS" feature. However, in 2010, Sony removed this feature via a firmware update, citing security concerns.
Reaction: This upset a significant number of users, particularly in the hacking and modding community. It led to a class-action lawsuit, and prominent hacker George "Geohot" Hotz filed a lawsuit against Sony. The removal also fueled an increase in PS3 hacking attempts.
3. Hacking and the George Hotz Lawsuit (2011):
Problem: Following the removal of OtherOS, hacker George Hotz managed to jailbreak the PS3, giving users control over the system to run unauthorized software, including pirated games. Sony sued Hotz, leading to a highly publicized legal battle.
Reaction: The hacking community saw this as a challenge to their rights to modify hardware they owned. Hotz eventually settled with Sony out of court, but the event further polarized consumers, with some siding with Hotz and others supporting Sony’s right to protect its platform.
4. 2011 PlayStation Network (PSN) Breach:
Problem: In April 2011, the PlayStation Network was hacked, compromising the personal data of 77 million users. The network was down for 23 days, making it one of the largest data breaches in gaming history.
Reaction: Sony faced a public relations crisis due to the extended downtime and the massive loss of user data. Consumers were outraged by the lack of transparency, as it took Sony several days to inform the public of the breach. Sony eventually offered free games and services as compensation, but the incident damaged its reputation.
5. Backward Compatibility Issues:
Problem: Early PS3 models were backward compatible with PlayStation 2 (PS2) games due to the inclusion of dedicated PS2 hardware. However, to cut costs, Sony removed this feature in later versions, leaving users unable to play their older games on newer PS3 models.
Reaction: The removal of backward compatibility disappointed many fans, especially those who had large PS2 game libraries. Sony faced criticism for changing a feature that was initially advertised as a selling point.
6. YLOD (Yellow Light of Death):
Problem: The PS3 suffered from hardware issues like the Yellow Light of Death (YLOD), similar to the Xbox 360's Red Ring of Death. This hardware failure indicated that the console had overheated or experienced another significant problem.
Reaction: Many users were frustrated by this issue, as it often required expensive repairs or a complete replacement. Some criticized Sony for not addressing the problem more proactively.
7. Cell Processor Development Controversy:
Problem: The PS3's Cell processor, developed in collaboration with IBM and Toshiba, was extremely powerful but notoriously difficult to develop games for. Developers complained about the complexity of programming for the PS3, leading to some games being poorly optimized compared to the Xbox 360 versions.
Reaction: While Sony boasted about the power of the Cell processor, some developers criticized the company for making a console that was harder to work with, which affected the performance and quality of multi-platform games.
Overall, despite these controversies, the PS3 managed to sell over 87 million units worldwide and became a beloved console for many players, especially after overcoming its early struggles.
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Sony is forced to raise their prices on everything due to loosing hundreds of millions of dollars from low sells on their games, loosing the exclusivity of COD etc etc
You probably right. They seem to have ditched the strategy of losing money on the hardware to make it up later with game and accessory sales. Now that games take 5 years to develop they can no longer bank on this
@@Neo_Rain146 maybe they should actually push the devs instead of saying "take your time"
why does it take 4-5 years (or in the case of Concord 8 years) to make a mediocre looking game when previously games took 2-3 years.
@@DarkDyllonevery AAA game is going to take 5 years to make. There's no way around it unless we scale back to AA games. The obsession of graphic fidelity, open-world game design and cinematic game experience is what is pushing the lenghty game development time.
@@DarkDyllon Sure but then all you are going to see is day one unfinished games that need multiple patches like Cyberpunk. Games now are resource intensive and can’t be churned out with the quality people expect in 2-3 years unless we go back to PS3 graphical fidelity which isn’t an option.
@@Neo_Rain146 I call BS on this.
if we look for example to MGS4 on the PS3, it looks really good, still to this day, yet all devs nowadays want is chase this random photorealism and instead of taking 3 years to develop it takes 5 years to develop, that's literally half a console generation.
news flash, a console needs games to be relevant, and the PS5 simply doesn't have these games to stay relevant, it's laughable howmany games the PS5 has ... now they want us to pay 800 euro for a slight upgrade?
I personally, could care less about Ray tracing. It’s a nice addition, but I believe the higher frame rates are the priority and nothing that has been shown is worth the upgrade for the price.
When there is no competition this happens. If xbox were actually competitive, and there were comparable series x pro, Sony would not dare to go with this price
Xbox is competing. You just aren't paying attention.
If Sony doesn't see Xbox as competition, then why do they even bother paying for timed exclusives solely to keep games off Xbox like with Silent Hill 2 Remake? If Xbox is so irrelevant, then Sony shouldn't even need to pay devs like Konami, they should just skip Xbox willingly.
And why do they copy everything Xbox does, like how they turned PS Plus into an inferior Game Pass rip-off?
@@jimmythegamer2231 Exclusivity deals haven't been done yesterday dude. They are done years before even before next gen is out. Microsoft abandoning Xbox and becoming 3rd party like ubisoft has started after Activision deal.
@@VGFightSchool Microsoft is Sony's biggest 3rd party partner.
@@jimmythegamer2231 LOGIC like this will get you into trouble.
For an original PS5 owner who has physical games to upgrade to this in the UK....I am going to need like $1000 to get the extra disk drive!
Ah yes IGN, those clowns that gave Alien Isolation a 5.9/10.
Great breakdown of the failings of the reveal trailer. I know people are in shock from the price, but the way they handled this presentation is a big part of their problem
Major flop. And not because of the no disc drive. It’s not 1990 and physical media is dead.
It’s an over priced mediocre upgrade that doesn’t even get 120 FPS at the current quality fidelity.
I have plenty of disposable income (assumed targeted audience)
I rather over pay to get the switch 2 asap.
Youre crazy if you think physical media is dead.
@@KesterStudios Dead. The sooner you accept it. The sooner you can move on.
@@KesterStudioslet’s look at sales… oh wait 95% of game sales are digital 😂
Can you show me your music disk collection? Wait, they’re all on your phone? Digitally?
@@realJohnLabThe majority of people bought the PS5 with diskdrive over the digital version. People are not letting physical media go that easily.
I only buy physical. Also collect ps1, ps2, dreamcast, snes games and other consoles. I like having the cases and play them in the original form.
@DestinL I would offer that a potential reason they did not show studios speaking to specific PS5 Pro enhancements is because they are telling developers that they don't have to do anything like re-master assets or code in new graphic features. Developers can get a PS5 Pro Enhanced label with minimal changes and a recompile. If developers do more than this then it would be for new games or just because they want to. It is unlikely game developers are going to use the PS5 Pro as a baseline in general so Sony is telling both gamers and developers what they get for free with more powerful hardware is compelling and worth their time and money. They are not requesting or selling that developers can or should enhance their games. Instead, developers can get a PS5 Pro Enhanced label --- and potentially up-charge for that --- with minimal cost to themselves. That last bit is just a prediction --- but I would be on the lookout for this if the PS5 Pro gets any traction at all.
My friend, you sound like my grandfather... "PS5 Pro is made by the Devil..."
Not sure if anyone else is talking about it but if the PS5 Pro is $699. Then the next Xbox/PS6 will be right there as well. If not maybe another $100-$200 more.
This needs to be the Gen that bridges the gap between Console and PC!
Nice catch with the Spiderman 2 shadows. To me, it looked like they've switched to ray traced shadows for the Pro version given the extra softness from far away objects. Those were exposed on PC as an optional setting but disabled on the base PS5.
Ever since the Xbox one and ps4 we’ve been marketed that these consoles are capable of 1080p 60fps.
Xbox one x and ps4 pro they told us they’re capable of 4k 30fps on graphics and 1080p 60fps on performance.
Xbox series x and ps5 we were told they’re capable of 4k 120fps.
Now they’re trying to tell us this ps5 pro is capable of….. what? Better clarity on distant backgrounds???? Smoother frames???? You mean the same talking points since the Xbox one and ps4?????
We are in the era of diminishing returns.
$700 for this console far over priced.
They are also promising to sometimes deliver what they promised with the original PS5 (the example they showed for Hogwarts Legacy was 30fps)
Spot on. Little perceived value for a price that's not great to put it mildly. Remember how PS4 blew Xbox One with the price reveal and used physical game stuff? The PS4 Pro coincided with a lowered PS4 price and launched with the same price of the PS4 at launch.
This costs way more than the PS5 at launch (with the disc), has a nice bump in graphical prowess but the value just isn't there.
If the 700 price included the stand, drive and a playstation pro controller (not the standard one), it would have been a killer value. This reeks of Apple 1200 USD Pro cellphone launch price.
I'm not buying a ps5 pro now because of the error you pointed out at 5:40!! If they messed that up what else have they messed up with the pro??
700$ is not much it will future prove me to 2028 when I will buy the Ps6
Enjoy paying for games 😂
Less than 10 minutes for a New Console Reveal... Pitiful
The problem wasnt the presentation.
Its definitely the price.
Even if the presentation was spot on, it would still be in the shadow of the price.
$599 with disc drive or $499 digital would have sold. And also cut the price of PS5 $100.
Sony, from what ive heard, never really profits off the consoles, they profit off the games.
I guess Sony needs to pay for their yachts.
Good work! Excellent points made, Destin.
11:14 they were showing the ray tracing of the sky reflecting on the waters which looks realistic what water looks like during daytime.
I did not watch the CNET video, but I DID reas the article version of their hands on. And while it was largely positive, it did also admit that for a lot the games demo'd the improvements were so small, he really needed to see it side by side with the base PS5 to even notice an improvement
TH-cam is a terrible way to show this stuff off. Sony needs to offer a stand alone video that could be played on gamers PS5's or offered as a download with proper high quality encoding.
The simple fact they literally can’t market it tells you how much it’s needed. At 600 this would be a tough sell.
Sony basically admitted upscaling 720p, 900p, 1080p to 4 K wasn't working out. Now they're barely surpassing XSX 1440p to 4K upscale SAD AF
Issues that are issue but dont effect me: no disk drive, different pricing outside US
Issues i have: no stand (not the biggest deal but dont like), nothing is bundled with it.
Prospective: millions during the scalping issue paid more for base ps5 then the pro cost. Find me a pc at the same prices with the same specs and performance, you cant even with used and refurbished parts you'll pay alot more, those saying otherwise are capping hard. Lastly its an upgrade to base ps5 but if you already have a ps5 this wont make you want to upgrade unless you're a power user. This is for those like me who still have a ps4 and been waiting. Ill still be waiting for bundles and testing but ill be paying less for the pro than most did for the base ps5 or pc with the same specs.
Also side note that increase in controllers is wild af. But i do feel like some have real concern and those are players with hard copy libraries or living outside the US, if you are all digital and in the US you're probably just riding the complain train.
Great take on the whole thing, really like how you're the ONLY one saying anything positive about such a negative situation. Yes, SONY made a miss with this one! Lack of Competition causes Over-pricing, Over-confidence & trying to "reach' too far without reading the Community & World in general. The Price looks like it was set WITH the drive, then some Exec. Cried the Profit Margin was too low ! So they pulled out the drive & Left the Price. I've Owned Every PS product, I'll pass on this one. Thx for the insightful breakdown !
All your point are spot on, gave it to Digital Foundry you rather then CNET, but of course they wont, as LA based company they will naturally mire inclined to mainstream media outlet
"Skeletor Reveals the PS5 Pro" sums up the whole reveal debacle perfectly. If you haven't seen it already, look it up 😂
*He-Man:* *_"Who asked for this?"_*
*He-Man:* *_"Whereas the Disc Drive?"_*
*Skeletor:* *_"We Don't Know!"_*
Honestly Destin I watched it and felt like I do watching new GPU reveals.
"Oh OK the performance jump from the last model is only incremental, guess I'll wait until the next one."
Dustin, the ray tracing part Mark Cerny stated was the sun's reflection in the water. Also, I watched the presentation on my 4K TV, and I could see the differences very well. However, the price is steep. I feel $600 would of been a better price instead of $700.
IMO IF I was going to show off ray tracing improvements in GT7 specifically I would have shown it off during a raining race at night(maybe a city map with lots of lights to?) to show off how much better the effects and reflecting are with with the PS5 Pro.I’d put the PS5 Pro in the middle versus the PS5 in performance 60 FPS mode on one side and vs resolution mode on the other. Then slow down the game play like Destin suggested. Doing all that would have really showcased all the improvements to both performance and resolution the PS5 Pro is really giving players with all the new technology the console is offering!
PS5 pro vs VGA 800$
The fact that there's no new software to showcase the PS5 Pro is crazy. Showcasing 2-4 year old content in higher fidelity as the selling point is insane.
Insane price aside, they talked all this big 3 stuff up with their version of DLSS and a GPU with 67% more CUs but it all just got translated as Fidelity mode at 60 fps. Everyone already has 60 fps at home.
AMD Ryzen 5 5500 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor 80$. Asus PRIME B550M-A WIFI II Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard 100$. Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory 42$. TEAMGROUP MP33 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive. Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB Video Card 300$. Montech AIR 903 MAX ATX Mid Tower Case 75$. EVGA SuperNOVA 750 GT 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply 90$. Total build cost is 783$ which is the price of a PS5 pro with a disc drive. It's cheaper than the pro if you exclude the stand. Has 16GB of VRAM and access to DLSS 3 and Frame Generation technology. Has 2TB of storage also.
I wonder why it's that way. Maybe it's because of things like this.
Hey Destin
Does the PS 5 Pro have a SSD expansion slot
Thank you
I’ll be passing. That price point is just crazy for what you get.
When the biggest shock of the reveal is the price, it was a failure
£700…Noooo disk drive….No new games…Noooo Sony…🤬‼️🤬