yeah. imagine if all you people that complain about it just DIDNT BUY IT. Funnily enough, Sony does actually need money to come in so if you stopped throwing your money at them, they would HAVE to change. Whoa mind blowing right?
This isn't a State Of Play is why they are not showing new games. They also want to compare what games there are currently on PS5 with the upscaled and FPS increase. There will be patches for older games to make use of Pro features from first party and third party. All games moving forward are supposed to have Pro feature support this generation.
@@3rdHalf1 oh, a sony fanboy, how many times have you bent over for sony and let the rail you, those who actually like owning their games care. when you grow up or you stop riding sony, you will see it
@@3rdHalf1bro I use my stand and disk drive on my current ps5 💀, what do you mean by hoarding plastic waste. (Well ok since ps5 has so few games it is technically a bit of a plastic waste purchase)
It's as if they were saying "you'll pay for the concord peasants, whether you like it or not. At least some of you. And we'll make sure to lower the quality of PS5 games now, accordingly, for obvious reasons."
Before the PS5 came out, people were talking about awesome graphics plus 120 fps. Of course, those were overblown and did not conform to the reality of (the lack of) technological advancement. People had better put their hopes in the gutter for the PS6, as first of all, they will not be able to do better than the PS5 Pro back at $500 price point, so get used to $700 as a baseline. And even then, due to the lack of progress, the PS6 won't have significantly better graphics than the PS5 Pro.
get steam deck, install emudeck, enjoy your 40 years every system ever made catalogue of fully complete games. tons of them made to be fun instead of made to sell you shit on their storefronts. and save TONS of money to boot. ez choice
Man, Sony looked to be in much better shape than Microsoft around 6 months ago, but they pretty much reversed appearance within weeks with Concord being such a massive disaster and the PS5 Pro being $700 with no disc drive and vertical stand.
The race on who can lose more customers is wide open! We need Nintendo to join and make their last gen Switch 2 cost atleast 600$ as well...with an ac adapter that has to be bought seperatelly for another 50$.
That's what lack of competition does. MS did the same when they announced XB1. Before that Sony did the same with PS3. That's why all those console war are ridiculous. People are just cannon fodder and useful idiots in eyes of those companies. Those same people will get worse hardware and service and higher prices as soon as they "feel they've won".
With the millions of studios Xbox bought the magnificent and extremely cheap Series S, gamepass... they should have absolutely DOMINATED Sony. It's one of the greatest fumbles of all time to me. Even just semi-competent management would have given them a slam dunk.
@@verios44 ironically if you already had a budget gaming PC, you could spend 700$ on just upgrading it and you'd get a bigger performance boost than the ps5 pro xD
@@meyes1098 exactly! Even if that $700 was mixed between lets say a GPU, maybe some better storage it would still be a massive upgrade compared to the already dated tech in the ps5 joke
Fun fact about PS5. You cant have games downloaded on more then one storage. I reformated my SSD without deleting anything. Went to download on my new SSD and I wasn't allowed to until I re inserted my original SSD and delete the game first. I temporarily lost access to all my digital games and it was a headache to figure out how to get access to my own game library THAT I BOUGHT!
on ps3 there use to be like a limit that you could download 3 times max or sone shit like that. we wont own shit soon when everybody turns to streaming games
@@vbad128 I upgraded from my old GTX 1080 to a RTX 3070Ti for $700. _That_ was a massive upgrade. Anyone who pays $1500 to $2000 USD for a ray-tracing GPU is as much of a moron as someone who pays $700 for a slightly (barely) upgraded PS5.
I use my $1500 GPU for video production as much as I use it for gaming. The time I save with having the gpu acceleration on render times is well worth it. And it's already paid for itself. 😂
Buddy, I have been waiting to buy a PS5 because the game selection has been weak. We are at least halfway through this generation and still not really interested in getting one. Like you said, we want GAMES not more consoles.
@@Raggamuffinz917 My thoughts exactly. Been waiting for something decent to buy one. Everything I could care for is on PC, no reason to buy a console anymore.
What's even more insane is combined with a stand, charging station, disk drive and a second controller its over £900 in the UK, for you state side that almost $1200. You can pick up pre-built PC's that are around the same performance as the PS5 pro at the same price. At this point why bother with the PS5 pro, an equivalent PC is way better, you don't have to pay Sony for permission to play online, you are not stuck with just the games they let you have at the price they want, you can mod games, you can do loads of other things and you have more control. Console's were already cut down out of date s**t PC's, however they did have advantages like ease of use and price, these days both those advantages are are rapidly disappearing. Console gaming from Sony and Microsoft is an utter joke and is getting worse and worse as time goes on.
Honestly?! Just don't buy it. There will be a handful of games using the additional power the PS5 Pro will grant. Just buy the PS6 instead in a few years...or better get a PC. Was the same thong with the PS4 Pro. Kinda ridiculous this is a business practice anyway. I get slim versions...but Pro consoles are a total ripoff if you own the base version of em alreadey. NEVER worth it!
Like every time, remember Sega Genesis on life support? Sega is no longer in console war. If a console old, just make the next generation, don’t linger. It never work before.
No disk drive is a deal breaker. And I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they're doing all the cross platform and multi-console stuff...is because the PS5 was already so god damn expensive during a time where the price of basic things like food, utilities, rent, etc. are going up while wages stay the same.
Sony: Graphics, Graphics, Graphics, Graphics, Graphics, Graphics, Graphics, and more Graphics. Meanwhile...casuals a big chunk of the gaming market plays games like Minecraft & Roblox. 🤔
I think what surprises me most is the fact they are saying "we didn't make fidelity mkde faster. We made performance mode prettier. We won't be fixing the problems that make you choose performance mode." It's just absurd. They aren't increasing performance, they're cheating the visuals. Resolution scaling is a bandaid, and making that a whole third of your new system is insane.
Not worth $700. And you need an $80 subscription to play your games online. I’m pretty sure they will charge us around $20 to upgrade our games to the pro version. Sony is tripping.
@@orkhepajRich and stops, wonderful combo. With no self awareness or common sense, no wonder you need an expensive garbage console, no one can stand you
Im so pissed that i bought a PS5. I was told "Next Gen Experiences built only for PS5". Every game is cross platform, ported to weaker consoles. The current PS5 is more than capable enough to handle the slop they are producing, why would anyone spend more money on a slightly better version?
I don’t know what to tell you, a ps5 is an amazing video game machine. That’s very convenient and cheaper compared to an equivalent pc. But the pro is just a ridiculous overpriced system with no disc drive
Whats baffling is that the price tag is 699 Dollar what would be around 633 Euro converted, but as its listed there we in Europe have to pay 799€ what is about 882 Dollars... WTF... OR did i read something wrong?
It costs over $1,000 here in Canada after tax.... they jacked up the price of all sony products after burning half a billion dollars over 8 years on "concord"... now they have to charge extra on all their products for the next decade to make up the massive loss. NO!
"Why are they using a five year old game?" that's not really the question. Why The Last of us "part 2" use the original which people actually liked rather than the sequel that people HATE. Or rather, why not feature something new like KOTOR. Not a wokified KOTOR either, just a proper KOTOR remake.
I don't know why people are surprised, people were buying the ps5 at 500$and reselling it for 700$-1,000$ AND PEOPLE BOUGHT IT! You the consumer made this price happen
BRUH... 700 USD is *NINE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS* Canadian... What the actual F, Sony?! With tax where I live that comes to $1092.00... Absolutely ABSURD!
The worst part about this is we know the PS6 will be likely a truckload more than $700. Likely $850 to $1,000. This huge Sony pricing mistake will make people question staying inside the Sony ecosystem long term.
Not gonna happen. Base Ps5 is 549 Euros. Pricetag for Ps6 will be 599 Euros. Casuals are the biggest customer group in the console market and they won‘t spend more than 600 on a console
I live in Australia, and the price here is $1199.95 plus $159 for the disc add-on. The current PS5 is $679, textbook corporate greed right there. PS, great videos, and awesome channel 👍
Never owned a console, was never my thing but one argument was always the lower price. Pushing the PS5 closer to 1000 bucks kinda makes this far less interesting.
Nearly $800 and you don't even get a vertical stand or disc drive. Jeez. I wonder if they even fixed the fan situation with the units? You shouldn't have to buy a third-party fan to attach to the system in order to keep it cool.
To put this into perspective for my fellow Canadians, With base console, Plus stand, disk drive and just the base tier of PS plus for one year is $889.96 US which converted to CAD is around $1209,77! that is insane. At that point you could build a PC for that amount of money even in Canada that would by far out perform the PS5 Pro for years to come. Plus With a PC you can do way more including make money with it if you are in the Creative space or use it for work in general, so return on investment is way better in the long run.
Idk. I can think of a few. Ark asa. Conan. Gta. Fallout. A bunch of older games if we consider anything before last year, that's still available "on the market" there's still a really decent amount of games to get. For me personally I'd have to get all those games cause I been using Xbox. 😂but I've been wanting to switch to ps I've just been waiting.
Everyone should move to pc gaming. Its more money up front but you save with cheaper games, cracked games, no subscription online and having actual control over your hardware with ability to mod and more. STOP. BUYING. CONSOLES.
Except the PS3 was actually worth it because the original models were backwards compatible with both PS2 and PS1 on top of all the new features that it offered such as being able to copy music from cds and listen to them on the console which allowed you to play that music in certain games like through your car's radio in Burnout Paradise and download and watch videos. The PS5 Pro literally only offers you slightly better graphics that you'll never notice when you're playing them and doesn't come with a disc drive or stand.
They are angry because they lost 200 Million dollars they invested on a game only to be flopped, blame us and make their consumers suffer from the failure they're responsible. That's honestly insane.
The initial PS5 launch suffered from scalpers...and Sony has decided to become the scalper themselves. This was a terrible decision. Some are suggesting that this decision was partially spurred by the massive financial failure of Concord. Sony lost well over $100+ million on that dumb decision and this PS5 Pro pricing might be an attempt to make up for the loss. Which if true, just means that Sony is trying to force consumers to pay for Sony's dumb decisions.
The PS5 Pro is priced too high without a physical disc drive but come dude Sony brings in about 90 billion dollars in revenue a year. You think a failed project of 100 million is really going to force Sony to raise the price of the Pro? If you wanted to be more objective about it you would look at the internal specs of the Pro and compare it to the equivalent PC components and see how much it really stacks up. Guess what you’re not the target audience. Apple and Samsung on a yearly basis release a base and pro series phone costing the regular consumer over $900 to $1000 compared to their “Pro” versions which easily costs $1200+ yet you don’t hear people complaining about it. Point is the tech is for earlier adopters and like all new tech and then the price will generally fall for your average joe to purchase the console. Look at the cost of the highest end steamdeck. It’s priced at $650.
@@mintyone Yeah, but home non-portable console pricing is only compared to PC, not all those other devices. Consoles like PS4 Pro for $400 used to have a clear price to performance advantage as a complete media center, and now with the PS5 Pro, that's been lost. You may as well just build a midrange PC or buy a regular PS5 instead.
for the same price range you can get a high end gaming pc that will also give you the same level of performance or better plus access to tons of cool mods.which is the best choice ? you decide
This blows me away $700.00 just for the PS5 Pro!!! No disk drive, are you kidding me? Sony can add the disk drive with the PS5 with the system. I can't afford it.
With taxes it cost us over 1000$ here in Canada (959,99$ without taxes... and that's before even buying the disc drive which is 99,99$). Absolute insanity.
At one point I was faced with the choice of a ps5 or RTX 4080 (reduced price). It wasn't much of a choice. And this insane price is gonna make people leap deeper into the arms of PC.
My biggest frustration with this isn’t the price, lack of disk drive, negligible upgrade, no guarantees of 60 fps or lack of bundled stand. It’s something that I haven’t seen anyone mention yet and that’s their proprietary AI upscaler PSSR. If I understand correctly they are locking this software to the PS5 Pro when it should and can be used across console generations back to even PS3 & Vita if they wanted to but I suspect really just PS4, PS4 Pro, and PS5. On PC we have multiple AI up scaler options that work no matter the hardware with FSR for example.
At this point. You can just build a mid tier PC for a little more and get a significantly better deal. No one is paying 700 for a console Edit: what’s even worse is that PlayStation games are also coming to PC as well so you REALLY don’t have a reason to own a PlayStation at this point. Especially if they are coming out with PC level prices
I would rather wait and play their exclusives a year or two later on PC. They're all single player anyway and the experiences will be better. coughstellarblademodscough.
Giving Playstation to an american leadership was a HUGE mistake! And trying to sell a console with such a high price while it has almost no games because they keep closing first party studios feels like a bad joke... And even the stand is sold separately seriously?? It was given with the base console FFS?! They've lost their mind! Besides in Europe it's 800 effin' euros!
Considering the guy said they're adding pro support to older titles it makes sense to showcase title you've seen on old specs. It's a before vs after which you can't get out of new games
PS5 Pro? Nah, PC is already the best way to play. At this price and point, ladies and gens, just get a new, used, prebuilt PC. When you get closer and closer to $1000 or more. Just get a fucking damn PC or pay to upgrade, please. It's the best way to play and you can play emulation games on top of what any of these gaming companies already put on the PC with Steam, Epic, GOG. Your Welcome!!!
And thats not talking about the subscription these people pay just to be able to use their internet lmao, you lose money in the long run why anyone would want a console instead of pc is beyond me
@@yerrswearr6831 I feel, that's a COD problem and not a PC player gaming problem in general. Not every video games or genres that you play or experiences is like that from my eyes. Hackers are going to be anywhere no matter which platform your on. Human in general love to cheat their way out of it when they can help it. Even a little, regardless of the how little or big the consequences is. You just have to do your best to mitigate those problems to make it fair as possible in my opinion.
@@sm00ly22 Indeed. Especially, when gaming consoles prices are getting closer and closer to an already expensive PC in which you can do way more on anyway. I thought, these consoles are supposed to be the more affordable or cheaper gaming devices so you can buy them first? WTF happen to that logic. Lol.
I bought a ps5 months ago and the only game I have enjoyed that I couldn't before is demons souls remake All about the sistems, nobody cares about the fucking backgtound resolution fidelity when you are immersed and having fun with a GAME! This is nonsese.
Do you think Playstation did their market research before buying Firewalk Studio and Concord? Do you think they did their research before releasing Concord? How did that go for them?
I want maximum graphical fidelity AND fluid gameplay. Note: 60fps is obsolete. That's why I go with PC. There is no substitute. This joke of a console is not an exception.
Yeah, then if you want an edge controller, disc drive, a stand, a game, and a ps+ subscription, your looking at around $1500. That's incredibly ridiculous!!! 😮
The worst of all that i'm sure they want gamer, that mean us to stop buying hardware and switch for AI generated videogame in a cloud technology. It's the only logic answer i found for all this non sense.
Let’s face it, both Sony and Microsoft have been dying to remove the drives from their consoles for years, as the second hand games market hurts their profits, but it’s only now that internet speeds are good enough to download a triple A games in about an hour. Remember most PC’s now don’t have drives, and all of the modern games on PC are digital only.
but on pc i can backup my games so i do not have to redownload them and can store them on hdd's or dvd's, pc also has way more competition therefore cheaper prices. once console goes digital only then prices will be 100 or more for games.
Honestly, this is more of a push to play on PC. You get the same games (with better graphics and performance) for $10 less on all PlayStation Studio games and online play is free. Plus one of their 3 pillars with ai pssr is already covered to an extent by DLSS and Frame Generation
To be fair, you will not be able to get a pc capable of similar performance for 700 dollars. But with a pc, you're not being sold into an ecosystem that gets outdated in 4 years or less.
@@myrdana very true, I wonder if there are some logistics that track whether that ends up being cheaper in the long run when it comes to PC being more pricey up front, but you get longevity and lower pricing of games and services vs what you said about buying into a ecosystem that is outdated on a short term and their consoles being cheaper than a lot of higher end PCs with the added costs of subscriptions and higher priced games.
Disc games technically died during the PS4 generation since you have to install every game and the discs don't hold all the data of the game anymore. So you still need Sony's servers to get the full game. You mind as well go digital only on PC. You can even get DRM free versions of games so you fully own the digital versions.
@@Rayven2711 "An already dying games industry" that one made me laugh. Developers getting fired has little to do with an industry dying, but with maximizing profits for shareholders. The consumer's buying behaviour changes veeery little about that. The games industry is more profitable than the music and movie industry combined. Even without mobile games, the industry is humongous and healthy. I bet you bought the 130$ edition of SW: Outlaws to support a struggling indie publisher like Ubisoft xD
So for a few hundred more bucks you get software upscaling with possible frame gen built in. Meanwhile on PC, you can buy lossless scaling for a few bucks and get better performance and quality. Sounds like they are going Apples route of selling software upgrades instead of hardware.
*Sony is doing this because they can...and that sucks.*
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Just think what the Playstation 6 will cost.
I can't wait to buy one! A very good upgrade for a reasonable price!
Why is this video only in 1080p?
yeah. imagine if all you people that complain about it just DIDNT BUY IT.
Funnily enough, Sony does actually need money to come in so if you stopped throwing your money at them, they would HAVE to change. Whoa mind blowing right?
This isn't a State Of Play is why they are not showing new games. They also want to compare what games there are currently on PS5 with the upscaled and FPS increase. There will be patches for older games to make use of Pro features from first party and third party. All games moving forward are supposed to have Pro feature support this generation.
> Play has no limits
> Look inside
> Limits
and little to no "play", all agenda nowadays ... and cutscenes
My wallet has limits 😂
then provide a movie games. lmao
I'm rich so I'm buying 2
pay more for less. playstation taking the P(i)SSR out of loyal customers.
The audacity on their part to charge $700 and NOT include a disk drive, stand, or pro controller. Wild.
You millennials and your plastic pogs. 🙄 Kids, for whom consoles are made for, don’t care about old millennial nostalgia for hoarding plastic waste.
@@3rdHalf1 oh, a sony fanboy, how many times have you bent over for sony and let the rail you, those who actually like owning their games care. when you grow up or you stop riding sony, you will see it
$1,199.95 here in Australia
@@3rdHalf1bro I use my stand and disk drive on my current ps5 💀, what do you mean by hoarding plastic waste. (Well ok since ps5 has so few games it is technically a bit of a plastic waste purchase)
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ps5 pro price before concord: $500
ps5 pro price after concord: $700
It's as if they were saying "you'll pay for the concord peasants, whether you like it or not. At least some of you. And we'll make sure to lower the quality of PS5 games now, accordingly, for obvious reasons."
@@Terrylovesjougurt I'll just stick to PC. Honestly it must be hard being a Sony customer.
@@hafluq2979 damn near 800 with the cradle
That money is going to have to come from somewhere
@@Terrylovesjougurt Yep. When grills fail, we have to pay.
What is IRONIC is the developers were promising AWESOME graphics plus 60FPS with the original PS5.
Before the PS5 came out, people were talking about awesome graphics plus 120 fps. Of course, those were overblown and did not conform to the reality of (the lack of) technological advancement. People had better put their hopes in the gutter for the PS6, as first of all, they will not be able to do better than the PS5 Pro back at $500 price point, so get used to $700 as a baseline. And even then, due to the lack of progress, the PS6 won't have significantly better graphics than the PS5 Pro.
I mean they weren’t lying. Most games were cross-gen PS4 games that can be played at 60 fps on PS5 😂😅😢
get steam deck, install emudeck, enjoy your 40 years every system ever made catalogue of fully complete games. tons of them made to be fun instead of made to sell you shit on their storefronts. and save TONS of money to boot. ez choice
@@MrGnuhgodbless you buddy 🤙🏼
@@Rationalificof course it will 😅😂
Man, Sony looked to be in much better shape than Microsoft around 6 months ago, but they pretty much reversed appearance within weeks with Concord being such a massive disaster and the PS5 Pro being $700 with no disc drive and vertical stand.
The race on who can lose more customers is wide open! We need Nintendo to join and make their last gen Switch 2 cost atleast 600$ as well...with an ac adapter that has to be bought seperatelly for another 50$.
Sony vs Microsoft is currently a race to the bottom.
That's what lack of competition does. MS did the same when they announced XB1. Before that Sony did the same with PS3. That's why all those console war are ridiculous. People are just cannon fodder and useful idiots in eyes of those companies. Those same people will get worse hardware and service and higher prices as soon as they "feel they've won".
With the millions of studios Xbox bought the magnificent and extremely cheap Series S, gamepass... they should have absolutely DOMINATED Sony. It's one of the greatest fumbles of all time to me. Even just semi-competent management would have given them a slam dunk.
The industry as a whole is rotted. Gaming going mainstream has been an utter disaster for gamers.
Sony has completely lost touch with their customer base.
Look what happened with xbox
Sorry but I don't want a Series S
@robertlawrence9000 more powerful than the s
Crazy how when they dunked on Xbox back when x/ps4 were coming out that theyve basically backpedalled to match xbox
@@robertlawrence9000how is that relevant ?
Ahh yes the big 3: Barely a difference, No disk drive, $700
Id much rather spend that $700 on a budget gaming computer than any console.
The fourth one is vertical stand sold separately.
@@SunlightGwyn I assumed the fourth one was PS-. Aka PS+ but less features, so you have to subscribe to more services!
@@verios44 ironically if you already had a budget gaming PC, you could spend 700$ on just upgrading it and you'd get a bigger performance boost than the ps5 pro xD
@@meyes1098 exactly! Even if that $700 was mixed between lets say a GPU, maybe some better storage it would still be a massive upgrade compared to the already dated tech in the ps5 joke
"It's the most powerful console we ever build" no ship sherlock, every new console you build is the most powerful one you build gjees.
They may as well say "This is the most recent console we've made to date."
They took a page from microsoft's book. Weird as this must have been mocked before. If it wasn't then, than I don't understand this world anymore.
Just Imagine: „This is the least powerful Console we ever build, a generation behind PS1.“
Because if they say its the most powerful console imagine the backlash when you mock even them saying its THEIR most powerful console :D
No ship? It's no shit buddy.
Fun fact about PS5. You cant have games downloaded on more then one storage. I reformated my SSD without deleting anything. Went to download on my new SSD and I wasn't allowed to until I re inserted my original SSD and delete the game first. I temporarily lost access to all my digital games and it was a headache to figure out how to get access to my own game library THAT I BOUGHT!
Wtf
on ps3 there use to be like a limit that you could download 3 times max or sone shit like that. we wont own shit soon when everybody turns to streaming games
WAIT WHAT??????????
So round it up 1000$ on a PS5 pro 😂 I'll just buy a PC at that point.
@@exomonster420 Come to Canada. After tax, the PS5 Pro IS OVER $1,000. It's the "Concord TAX".
No PC gamer would pay $700 for an upgrade THAT small, why in the hell should a console gamer?
Ahem ... ray tracing ...
@@kesamek8537 AHEM shhhh they will here you
what a fallacy I regularly see 1500$ and 2000$ GPUS sold out at Best Buy in my area, so if anything they are paying more...
@@vbad128 I upgraded from my old GTX 1080 to a RTX 3070Ti for $700. _That_ was a massive upgrade.
Anyone who pays $1500 to $2000 USD for a ray-tracing GPU is as much of a moron as someone who pays $700 for a slightly (barely) upgraded PS5.
I use my $1500 GPU for video production as much as I use it for gaming. The time I save with having the gpu acceleration on render times is well worth it. And it's already paid for itself. 😂
Should have been called "The Price has no Limit"
Pay has no limits
More like our wallets have limits
Greed has no limit - sony exec 🤡👍
😆lol😅
The price tag is to compensate the loss from concord.
And Bungie!
@@xsavagealex We no longer need Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo and Steam is all we need
Feels like it 😂
No it's a reasonable price for the upgrade.
@@robertlawrence9000 Its not. Its 800 euro in Europe. And 920 with the Disc Drive !
Its a scam, fuck sony, we needed more games not another console
That’s exactly right.
Buddy, I have been waiting to buy a PS5 because the game selection has been weak. We are at least halfway through this generation and still not really interested in getting one. Like you said, we want GAMES not more consoles.
@@Raggamuffinz917 My thoughts exactly. Been waiting for something decent to buy one. Everything I could care for is on PC, no reason to buy a console anymore.
When you say more games, are you talking about more like Concord, Outlaws and AssaCre Shadows? 😅
But weren't the fanboys begging for a ps5 pro.
What's even more insane is combined with a stand, charging station, disk drive and a second controller its over £900 in the UK, for you state side that almost $1200. You can pick up pre-built PC's that are around the same performance as the PS5 pro at the same price. At this point why bother with the PS5 pro, an equivalent PC is way better, you don't have to pay Sony for permission to play online, you are not stuck with just the games they let you have at the price they want, you can mod games, you can do loads of other things and you have more control. Console's were already cut down out of date s**t PC's, however they did have advantages like ease of use and price, these days both those advantages are are rapidly disappearing. Console gaming from Sony and Microsoft is an utter joke and is getting worse and worse as time goes on.
$700 for a minor graphical update is nuts.
Honestly?! Just don't buy it. There will be a handful of games using the additional power the PS5 Pro will grant. Just buy the PS6 instead in a few years...or better get a PC.
Was the same thong with the PS4 Pro. Kinda ridiculous this is a business practice anyway. I get slim versions...but Pro consoles are a total ripoff if you own the base version of em alreadey. NEVER worth it!
Like every time, remember Sega Genesis on life support? Sega is no longer in console war.
If a console old, just make the next generation, don’t linger. It never work before.
Yes spend 700 more dollars to play the same old games… but enhanced!!
@@AmericaTerrapin So.... basically PC upgrade?
Canadians paying over $1,000 after tax.... It's the "concord tax".
"Why are they not showing any new games?"
THEY DON'T...HAVE ANY!
They seriously should have showcased Stellar Blade, Space Marine 2, and Helldivers 2... But I'm guessing those games aren't optimized for it yet? 🤔
PS5 has plenty of games. Just not the ones we actually want
they have concord oh wait :O
Lmfao
Probably the licenses to make on this platform are also way too expensive..
No disk drive is a deal breaker. And I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they're doing all the cross platform and multi-console stuff...is because the PS5 was already so god damn expensive during a time where the price of basic things like food, utilities, rent, etc. are going up while wages stay the same.
"Vertical stand sold separately" is taking the absolute mickey. You cannot be serious?
There'll be bundles. Relax ;).
@@Terrylovesjougurt bundles lol
Taking the absolute piss out of players.
LMAO they will dry their fanboys' wallets dry.
@@Terrylovesjougurt Bundles i.e. you pay extra for the stand to be included. That's the same problem.
Sony: Graphics, Graphics, Graphics, Graphics, Graphics, Graphics, Graphics, and more Graphics.
Meanwhile...casuals a big chunk of the gaming market plays games like Minecraft & Roblox. 🤔
I think what surprises me most is the fact they are saying "we didn't make fidelity mkde faster. We made performance mode prettier. We won't be fixing the problems that make you choose performance mode."
It's just absurd. They aren't increasing performance, they're cheating the visuals. Resolution scaling is a bandaid, and making that a whole third of your new system is insane.
PC got that "upgrade" for free. It's called DLSS 3.0.
Not worth $700. And you need an $80 subscription to play your games online. I’m pretty sure they will charge us around $20 to upgrade our games to the pro version. Sony is tripping.
How about the digitial only bs? 200$ extra again? We at 1k+ just to play a fucking videogame.
This is why we must transition over to PC. Laptops are just as powerful this current age.
80$ ??? auch
for 15$ on pc you can get xbox pass
@@xStanyyx 1000$ ? that is nothing , why are u so poor?
@@orkhepajRich and stops, wonderful combo. With no self awareness or common sense, no wonder you need an expensive garbage console, no one can stand you
I predict an influx of new PC players, and Steam users. Even when they do nothing, Valve keeps winning.
Bought my first gaming PC about a year ago. Played my PS5 maybe 5 times this year. Im so done with Sony, until they make a sharp turn.
Yup, I'll be a PC player in the near future.
It be funny if on Friday steam decks go on sale again
@@IdleWanderingI recommend the ROG Ally over it. Almost the same price now. No brainer
Gaben is truly blessed to have such inept competition
Dana Carvey wants $700 for the console, $80 for the disc drive and $30 for the vertical stand. Truly the best comedian of our generation.
I thought this guy seemed oddly familiar. That's it. Dana Carvey.
You would think after 50 years in the Entertainment industry, Dana Carvey would stop staring at the teleprompter like he has glaucoma.
I thought Garth from Wane's world lol
Nah, he looks more like Andy Dick than Carvey.
I don't know, who would offer a disc drive-less console at that price? Hmmm, I'm stumped. Could it be S A T A N ?!!
It’s like I’m watching people just now realize Sony is greedy AF. 700 bucks to not have blurry backgrounds
Imagine how pissed we’re gonna be when they discontinue the base ps5 and you can only buy the pro….
I bet they upped the price once Concord flopped.
Sony is in valley of turd now
This is practically a given.
No it was given that price because it’s worth it, knowing it’ll run gta 6 at 60 fps makes it even more worth the price
@@CrimsonBladezz its not worth it lol
@@CrimsonBladezz if the ps5 pro doesnt run GTA 6 at 60 its game over for sony
You know when Sony says, we don't give a fuck about you. They truly mean it.
What company gives a shit about their customers these days?
For real, and I've owned every playstation going back to the launch of the original. Would much rather put that $700 towards a pc.
Im so pissed that i bought a PS5. I was told "Next Gen Experiences built only for PS5".
Every game is cross platform, ported to weaker consoles.
The current PS5 is more than capable enough to handle the slop they are producing, why would anyone spend more money on a slightly better version?
Amen
Think of it this way, it's a 4K Bluray player that can play some video games as well.
I don’t know what to tell you, a ps5 is an amazing video game machine. That’s very convenient and cheaper compared to an equivalent pc. But the pro is just a ridiculous overpriced system with no disc drive
Well, now they’ll spend even less time on optimisation, so I have a feeling, that base ps5 can forget about performance mode.
@@nineten9011 My PC from 2016 that cost 390usd is about as powerful as PS5,
take real confidence to call 60 frames per second a high refresh rate.
Whats baffling is that the price tag is 699 Dollar what would be around 633 Euro converted, but as its listed there we in Europe have to pay 799€ what is about 882 Dollars... WTF... OR did i read something wrong?
Us price includes no tax. Eu price is with added vat (ca. 20-23%)
It costs over $1,000 here in Canada after tax.... they jacked up the price of all sony products after burning half a billion dollars over 8 years on "concord"... now they have to charge extra on all their products for the next decade to make up the massive loss. NO!
Greed has no limits.
nah mate the limit is when people start voting with their wallet, you have seen it happen with concord
$700 NETFLIX BOX LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO
Hahahaha so good !
PS5 doesn't support Dolby Vision so it makes for a piss poor Netflix box.
They’re clearly missing the point, it’s not about graphics anymore, it’s about the games and creativity. So tone deaf, dial it back Sony.
To think this guy was once working on crash bandicoot.
They sank too much money into live service investment trap already.
"Why are they using a five year old game?" that's not really the question. Why The Last of us "part 2" use the original which people actually liked rather than the sequel that people HATE. Or rather, why not feature something new like KOTOR. Not a wokified KOTOR either, just a proper KOTOR remake.
I don't know why people are surprised, people were buying the ps5 at 500$and reselling it for 700$-1,000$ AND PEOPLE BOUGHT IT! You the consumer made this price happen
The one I got was about 300$
@@alexmercer5414 congratulations ^_^
Sony trying to recover from Concord $100m loss right now be like 💀💀😭😭
250mil
bruh it was way more than 200 mil
Skizzle shut up your channel sucks
BRUH... 700 USD is *NINE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS* Canadian... What the actual F, Sony?! With tax where I live that comes to $1092.00... Absolutely ABSURD!
And you could build a competing pc for that kind of cash.
You never know, they could always give it to us for $899. $999 with disk drive.
Edit: OK, officially $959.99
1000USD FOR EUROPEAN AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLDS.
IS ABSURD. Is like this people live on a complete different world from regular people.
how is that absurd?
@@orkhepaj paying anywhere near 1k for a console is a joke.
The worst part about this is we know the PS6 will be likely a truckload more than $700. Likely $850 to $1,000. This huge Sony pricing mistake will make people question staying inside the Sony ecosystem long term.
Not gonna happen. Base Ps5 is 549 Euros. Pricetag for Ps6 will be 599 Euros. Casuals are the biggest customer group in the console market and they won‘t spend more than 600 on a console
At this rate, just build a PC for a little bit more.
$1,000 gets you a really solid pc build. I don't see people forking that much money out for a playstation 6, when the time comes.
That ps6 isn't gonna save you!
I live in Australia, and the price here is $1199.95 plus $159 for the disc add-on. The current PS5 is $679, textbook corporate greed right there. PS, great videos, and awesome channel 👍
Never owned a console, was never my thing but one argument was always the lower price. Pushing the PS5 closer to 1000 bucks kinda makes this far less interesting.
For Japan it’s insane. 120k yen. For them that’s like double the price of everyone else.
Two weeks later, PS6 comes out, and there's no backward compatibility, and new games won't work on PS5 pro. 800$ and 850 for disks
4 years you mean.
Ps6 800? You wish
@@robertlawrence9000 next year. Watch.
@@DontForgetOldKolobok you think 900?
No disks going forward imo. Can control prices easier
Before we said 4k at 60 but NOW WE REALLY MEAN IT.
Can't forget they also silently removed the 8K logo on the original PS5 box lol
Its still either gonna run like ass with 60 fps or be 30. 🤭
For $700, I expected to be able to insert one of my old Resistance games and play it upscale, but oh theres no fuckin disk drive 🙃🙃
No way to play Resistance natively unfortunately. You can buy the disc drive though.
Love resistance 1!
Uhm...well...no backwards compatibility here. Go buy a PS3, you can place it vertically aswell without a stand!
That would be the dream. Being able to boot up older games and ai being capable to update graphics to current generation
Nearly $800 and you don't even get a vertical stand or disc drive. Jeez. I wonder if they even fixed the fan situation with the units? You shouldn't have to buy a third-party fan to attach to the system in order to keep it cool.
Onm it been two yrs and i still cant play ps5 games the console turn off on it own, while ps4 game works perfectly fine tf kinda bs system smh
To put this into perspective for my fellow Canadians, With base console, Plus stand, disk drive and just the base tier of PS plus for one year is $889.96 US which converted to CAD is around $1209,77! that is insane. At that point you could build a PC for that amount of money even in Canada that would by far out perform the PS5 Pro for years to come. Plus With a PC you can do way more including make money with it if you are in the Creative space or use it for work in general, so return on investment is way better in the long run.
And just think, there's hardly a title on the market to warrant a Ps5 purchase....
Idk. I can think of a few. Ark asa. Conan. Gta. Fallout. A bunch of older games if we consider anything before last year, that's still available "on the market" there's still a really decent amount of games to get. For me personally I'd have to get all those games cause I been using Xbox. 😂but I've been wanting to switch to ps I've just been waiting.
@@Bee_Mavrickget a pre built pc gamepass on their as well as PlayStation games plus you don’t have to pay to use your internet
The vast majority are waiting for gta 6 pretty much the only reason to get the pro if you don’t have a ps5 yet
Stellar Blade.
@@EternalNightingale Wait another 2 years for its price to get reduced and GTA 6 actually comes out lmao
Almost 4 yrs into the generation and still no actual games that weren't already on the ps4, i'm not sure what they're trying to accomplish
More Money for less effort🙃
As someone who uses their ps5 as a 4k blu ray player for their home movies, no disc drive makes this an easy pass
Yep, it's not just about physical games, it's about physical media too (blu rays, cds). It's a deal breaker for me.
They can f*** themselves with that $700 I’ll keep my PS5 OG until PS6 and if they try to charge $700+ for a PS6 I’ll just purely move to PC f*** it
The real savings will come with the games. Outside of Sony Market, you’ll be regularly seeing 50 to 90 percent discounts.
Everyone should move to pc gaming. Its more money up front but you save with cheaper games, cracked games, no subscription online and having actual control over your hardware with ability to mod and more.
STOP. BUYING. CONSOLES.
The disk drive is a complete deal breaker for me
I'm not spending that kind of money on a digital console
But you can always just buy a disc drive separately SMH
@@HossBonaventureCEO Fuck no.
£700 and I can't even play a dvd on it let alone blu ray or 4k.
It's like a Ps1.
@@h4rdi7g3 Yep its ridiculous
They sold us the FIRST ps5 with the promise of 60 fps! The games publishers just won’t make those! Coz’ they’re as greedy as Sony!
Me as a physical game collector, no thanks Sony 🖕
That plug in disc drive is a disgusting *
👍!!!
Price has no limits apparently.
They also did this with the PS3 because of how successful the PS2 was.
These idiots just never learn..
Except the PS3 was actually worth it because the original models were backwards compatible with both PS2 and PS1 on top of all the new features that it offered such as being able to copy music from cds and listen to them on the console which allowed you to play that music in certain games like through your car's radio in Burnout Paradise and download and watch videos.
The PS5 Pro literally only offers you slightly better graphics that you'll never notice when you're playing them and doesn't come with a disc drive or stand.
@@LunaticKD1991 i was more referring to the backlash Sony got and is now getting again for
i understand that the PS3 was more worth it than a PS5 Pro
@5:35 They forgot the "I" and the "E".
They are angry because they lost 200 Million dollars they invested on a game only to be flopped, blame us and make their consumers suffer from the failure they're responsible. That's honestly insane.
Europe goverment funded 150 million for concord.
Sony is sitting on 234B in revenue, they aren’t angry about anything. That’s just you projecting.
The initial PS5 launch suffered from scalpers...and Sony has decided to become the scalper themselves. This was a terrible decision. Some are suggesting that this decision was partially spurred by the massive financial failure of Concord. Sony lost well over $100+ million on that dumb decision and this PS5 Pro pricing might be an attempt to make up for the loss. Which if true, just means that Sony is trying to force consumers to pay for Sony's dumb decisions.
Customers are always the ones to pay for dumb corporate decisions. The only way out is don't be their customer.
The PS5 Pro is priced too high without a physical disc drive but come dude Sony brings in about 90 billion dollars in revenue a year. You think a failed project of 100 million is really going to force Sony to raise the price of the Pro? If you wanted to be more objective about it you would look at the internal specs of the Pro and compare it to the equivalent PC components and see how much it really stacks up. Guess what you’re not the target audience. Apple and Samsung on a yearly basis release a base and pro series phone costing the regular consumer over $900 to $1000 compared to their “Pro” versions which easily costs $1200+ yet you don’t hear people complaining about it. Point is the tech is for earlier adopters and like all new tech and then the price will generally fall for your average joe to purchase the console. Look at the cost of the highest end steamdeck. It’s priced at $650.
@@mintyone Yeah, but home non-portable console pricing is only compared to PC, not all those other devices. Consoles like PS4 Pro for $400 used to have a clear price to performance advantage as a complete media center, and now with the PS5 Pro, that's been lost. You may as well just build a midrange PC or buy a regular PS5 instead.
PS5 PRO HELL NO
“Play has no limits”
*the limits*
- your bank account
- no disc drive
11:06 mute that racket for the sake of our sanity too
No disk drive not interested for me. Might as well just stick with Steam if they are really going to ditch physical media…
Sony just made me a PC and Switch only gamer now.
Same
Sure pass the copium when youre done
Welcome to the club. Been there for years.
lol yea same. Now, I do subscribe to PC game pass so that’s kind of Xbox related
Word to that
I need the disc version because I use it to play my 4K Blu Ray discs. I’m sticking with my current PS5.
Great vid! It’s sad how Sony is taking advantage of customers in an inflated economy right now.
Also, GTA 5 music again?!
for the same price range you can get a high end gaming pc that will also give you the same level of performance or better plus access to tons of cool mods.which is the best choice ? you decide
This blows me away $700.00 just for the PS5 Pro!!! No disk drive, are you kidding me? Sony can add the disk drive with the PS5 with the system. I can't afford it.
Reminder that the original PS5 box advertised that it could do 8k LOL. Now the PS5 Pro doesn't even make that claim.
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
With taxes it cost us over 1000$ here in Canada (959,99$ without taxes... and that's before even buying the disc drive which is 99,99$). Absolute insanity.
What happened to your currency?
It's $959.99 here in Canada. Spend a couple hundred bucks more and get a comparable pc. This dumb.
700$ and you don’t get a vertical plastic shit. I’m tired of all these mfs honestly
The "this console is the most powerful console we've ever built" is the most useless statement. Like as it should be??
Yeah, it's just a nothing burger point just to convince gullible idiots that know nothing about technology to buy it.
At one point I was faced with the choice of a ps5 or RTX 4080 (reduced price). It wasn't much of a choice. And this insane price is gonna make people leap deeper into the arms of PC.
My biggest frustration with this isn’t the price, lack of disk drive, negligible upgrade, no guarantees of 60 fps or lack of bundled stand. It’s something that I haven’t seen anyone mention yet and that’s their proprietary AI upscaler PSSR. If I understand correctly they are locking this software to the PS5 Pro when it should and can be used across console generations back to even PS3 & Vita if they wanted to but I suspect really just PS4, PS4 Pro, and PS5.
On PC we have multiple AI up scaler options that work no matter the hardware with FSR for example.
As a devoted PC master race member, I fail to see how PS5 revolutionized the gaming experience...
Always good to see you on camera. I hope you're doing well!
At this point. You can just build a mid tier PC for a little more and get a significantly better deal. No one is paying 700 for a console
Edit: what’s even worse is that PlayStation games are also coming to PC as well so you REALLY don’t have a reason to own a PlayStation at this point. Especially if they are coming out with PC level prices
never say never or in this case "no one" there will be people buying in
Crap like this is why I'm currently working building a high end pc. The 4070 super that arrived yesterday is so pretty
Just went on new egg and for $100 more, you can get a high end pc that's normally at $1600. Playstation is whack this generation!
most people will gladly pay 700 for this. Remember when the PS5 came out and people were straight up paying over $1000 ....... that actually happened.
I would rather wait and play their exclusives a year or two later on PC. They're all single player anyway and the experiences will be better. coughstellarblademodscough.
Giving Playstation to an american leadership was a HUGE mistake!
And trying to sell a console with such a high price while it has almost no games because they keep closing first party studios feels like a bad joke...
And even the stand is sold separately seriously?? It was given with the base console FFS?! They've lost their mind! Besides in Europe it's 800 effin' euros!
Well let’s not pretend Japan is any better because never forget what Konami did to Kojami
almost as if corporate wankers global have the same actions and mindset.
>high levels of fidelity.
>better performance.
Dev time will still be long and expensive now more so.
These companies have run out of selling points.
Remember when the 5 came out and they were talking about 4k 60fps becoming the console standard? Yeah they can do it again now and break it again
Considering the guy said they're adding pro support to older titles it makes sense to showcase title you've seen on old specs. It's a before vs after which you can't get out of new games
They were going to show Concord but yeah
PS5 Pro? Nah, PC is already the best way to play. At this price and point, ladies and gens, just get a new, used, prebuilt PC.
When you get closer and closer to $1000 or more. Just get a fucking damn PC or pay to upgrade, please.
It's the best way to play and you can play emulation games on top of what any of these gaming companies already put on the PC with Steam, Epic, GOG. Your Welcome!!!
As cod players nooo. There’s hackers on ever cod game fuck that
And thats not talking about the subscription these people pay just to be able to use their internet lmao, you lose money in the long run why anyone would want a console instead of pc is beyond me
@@yerrswearr6831 I feel, that's a COD problem and not a PC player gaming problem in general. Not every video games or genres that you play or experiences is like that from my eyes.
Hackers are going to be anywhere no matter which platform your on.
Human in general love to cheat their way out of it when they can help it. Even a little, regardless of the how little or big the consequences is.
You just have to do your best to mitigate those problems to make it fair as possible in my opinion.
@@sm00ly22 Indeed. Especially, when gaming consoles prices are getting closer and closer to an already expensive PC in which you can do way more on anyway.
I thought, these consoles are supposed to be the more affordable or cheaper gaming devices so you can buy them first? WTF happen to that logic. Lol.
Rockstar, rubbing their hands..GTA 5 pro version. 😅😅
They'll be the surge in the Pro sales. Bet!
You mean gta online+ 😂😂😂😂
GTA 5 ps5 pro 85$
Skyrim fallout 4 ps5 pro starfield etc
Thats exactly what it will be. Gtao isn't going anywhere yet.
I still use my PS4 slim. The only reason I would want a PS5 is for Stellar Blade.
Otherwise Im fully content with my PS4.
I bought a ps5 months ago and the only game I have enjoyed that I couldn't before is demons souls remake
All about the sistems, nobody cares about the fucking backgtound resolution fidelity when you are immersed and having fun with a GAME!
This is nonsese.
PS4 is still alive and thriving for real. More than enough games to enjoy and play.
Do you think Playstation did their market research before buying Firewalk Studio and Concord? Do you think they did their research before releasing Concord? How did that go for them?
I want maximum graphical fidelity AND fluid gameplay. Note: 60fps is obsolete. That's why I go with PC. There is no substitute. This joke of a console is not an exception.
699$ us = 850$ Canadian
So 850+15% = 950$ Sony are you crazy
Yeah, then if you want an edge controller, disc drive, a stand, a game, and a ps+ subscription, your looking at around $1500. That's incredibly ridiculous!!! 😮
yes, yes they are
The worst of all that i'm sure they want gamer, that mean us to stop buying hardware and switch for AI generated videogame in a cloud technology. It's the only logic answer i found for all this non sense.
Let’s face it, both Sony and Microsoft have been dying to remove the drives from their consoles for years, as the second hand games market hurts their profits, but it’s only now that internet speeds are good enough to download a triple A games in about an hour. Remember most PC’s now don’t have drives, and all of the modern games on PC are digital only.
but on pc i can backup my games so i do not have to redownload them and can store them on hdd's or dvd's, pc also has way more competition therefore cheaper prices. once console goes digital only then prices will be 100 or more for games.
we need laws to let us sell digital only games
if they sell us games not just lease that is the minimum
Counterpoint: I get to actually own my games.
That's why I bought an external disc drive for my pc
$770 for all the add-ons and the console hell nahh
And that's before tax
@@davidfink821so around $800 💀
That's only for the disc drive. You need to pay more for the stand lol. And then theres tax
$79.99 Disc drive + $29.99 Vertical stand so $810+tax
After the stand disc tray an tax over 800
they should have used Concord to show the new graphics.
Where are the exclusives??? Are they going full blown post xbox 360?
Honestly, this is more of a push to play on PC.
You get the same games (with better graphics and performance) for $10 less on all PlayStation Studio games and online play is free.
Plus one of their 3 pillars with ai pssr is already covered to an extent by DLSS and Frame Generation
To be fair, you will not be able to get a pc capable of similar performance for 700 dollars. But with a pc, you're not being sold into an ecosystem that gets outdated in 4 years or less.
$10 less on release day , most pc games get at least 50% discount after a year
I got a Lenovo loq for 700$ and it runs circles around a ps5.
@@myrdanapro wont last 4 years, and pc has free mp and much cheaper games so you can easily spend more on pc build
@@myrdana very true, I wonder if there are some logistics that track whether that ends up being cheaper in the long run when it comes to PC being more pricey up front, but you get longevity and lower pricing of games and services vs what you said about buying into a ecosystem that is outdated on a short term and their consoles being cheaper than a lot of higher end PCs with the added costs of subscriptions and higher priced games.
Mark Cerny looks like a Bethesda npc who is unfortunately important so you have to save before VATS-ing their head off
They won't let you take his head off, he'll just sit on the ground for a min then stand back up.
to be fair to Cerny , it's highly unlikely he had any say in the pricing
I guess they saw people still buying the PS5 on release from scalpers for 800$ and thought why not just sell it for that price directly
Just say no and VOTE with your wallets.
Now that's how you do a Minecraft movie. Brava!
I will never buy a console without disc drive. Either I can own my games or I may as well pirate them on PC.
Disc games technically died during the PS4 generation since you have to install every game and the discs don't hold all the data of the game anymore. So you still need Sony's servers to get the full game. You mind as well go digital only on PC. You can even get DRM free versions of games so you fully own the digital versions.
PC master race
Great Idea! We should all start pirating everything we play an help an already dying games industry to go six feet under! 🤡
@@Rayven2711 "An already dying games industry" that one made me laugh.
Developers getting fired has little to do with an industry dying, but with maximizing profits for shareholders. The consumer's buying behaviour changes veeery little about that.
The games industry is more profitable than the music and movie industry combined. Even without mobile games, the industry is humongous and healthy. I bet you bought the 130$ edition of SW: Outlaws to support a struggling indie publisher like Ubisoft xD
This price tag is what you get when only one company makes a more powerful console.
"Enabled high speed complex gameplay" shows God of War lmao
So for a few hundred more bucks you get software upscaling with possible frame gen built in. Meanwhile on PC, you can buy lossless scaling for a few bucks and get better performance and quality. Sounds like they are going Apples route of selling software upgrades instead of hardware.
Yup. Apple all over. News flash, they don't have that kind of pull. They clearly thought they did.