Pucci: When Flawed Ideology Meets Manipulation | Analysis Of Evil (JJBA)
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Stone Ocean Chapter 33: Foo Fighters, Part 3
Stone Ocean Chapter 34: Marilyn Manson, the Debt Collector, Part 1
Stone Ocean Chapter 39: Marilyn Manson, the Debt Collector, Part 6
Stone Ocean Chapter 44: Operation Savage Garden, Part 5
Stone Ocean Chapter 47: Operation Savage Garden, Part 8
Stone Ocean Chapter 48: Torrential Downpour Warning, Part 1
Stone Ocean Chapter 49: Torrential Downpour Warning, Part 2
Stone Ocean Chapter 50: Torrential Downpour Warning, Part 3
Stone Ocean Chapter 51: Kiss of Love and Revenge, Part 1
Stone Ocean Chapter 52: Kiss of Love and Revenge, Part 2
Stone Ocean Chapter 58: Ultra Security House Unit
Stone Ocean Chapter 60: The Secret of Guard Westwood, Part 1
Stone Ocean Chapter 61: The Secret of Guard Westwood, Part 2
Stone Ocean Chapter 62: The Secret of Guard Westwood, Part 3
Stone Ocean Chapter 68: Enter the Dragon's Dream, Part 2
Stone Ocean Chapter 82: Yo-Yo Ma Is Coming!, Part 5
Stone Ocean Chapter 84: F.F. - The Witness, Part 2
Stone Ocean Chapter 85: AWAKEN, Part 1
Stone Ocean Chapter 90: Whitesnake - The Pursuer, Part 2
Stone Ocean Chapter 91: Whitesnake - The Pursuer, Part 3
Stone Ocean Chapter 93: Whitesnake - The Pursuer, Part 5
Stone Ocean Chapter 94: Time for Heaven
Stone Ocean Chapter 95: New Moon! New Priest
Stone Ocean Chapter 96: Jail House Lock!, Part 1
Stone Ocean Chapter 102: Jailbreak...
Stone Ocean Chapter 103: Three Men Taken to the Hospital
Stone Ocean Chapter 104: Bohemian Rhapsody, Part 1
Stone Ocean Chapter 105: Bohemian Rhapsody, Part 2
Stone Ocean Chapter 110: Bohemian Rhapsody, Part 7
Stone Ocean Chapter 111: Long Time No See, Romeo
Stone Ocean Chapter 112: Sky High, Part 1
Episodes Used:
Stone Ocean Episode 8: Foo Fighters
Stone Ocean Episode 9: Marilyn Manson, the Debt Collector
Stone Ocean Episode 10: Operation Savage Garden (Head to the Courtyard!), Part 1
Stone Ocean Episode 11: Operation Savage Garden (Head to the Courtyard!), Part 2
Stone Ocean Episode 12: Torrential Downpour Warning
Stone Ocean Episode 13: Kiss of Love and Revenge, Part 1
Stone Ocean Episode 15: Ultra Security House Unit
Stone Ocean Episode 20: F.F. - The Witness
Stone Ocean Episode 21: AWAKEN
Stone Ocean Episode 22: Time for Heaven! New Moon! New Priest!
Stone Ocean Episode 23: Jail House Lock!
Stone Ocean Episode 24: Jailbreak...
Stone Ocean Episode 25: Bohemian Rhapsody, Part 1
Stone Ocean Episode 26: Bohemian Rhapsody, Part 2
Stone Ocean Episode 27: Sky High
Stone Ocean Episode 28: Time For Heaven: Three Days Until the New Moon
Stone Ocean Episode 29: Under World
Stone Ocean Episode 30: Heavy Weather, Part 1
Stone Ocean Episode 31: Heavy Weather, Part 2
Stone Ocean Episode 32: Heavy Weather, Part 3
Stone Ocean Episode 33: Gravity of the New Moon
Stone Ocean Episode 34: C-MOON, Part 1
Stone Ocean Episode 35: C-MOON, Part 2
Stone Ocean Episode 36: Made in Heaven, Part 1
Stone Ocean Episode 37: Made in Heaven, Part 2
Stone Ocean Episode 38: What a Wonderful World
"You don't realise your own evil. You are the worst form of evil"
-Weather report
Cioccolata: Hold my numerous tapes of people dying.
I disagree with that statement from the show, as they forgave FF for not knowing what she was doing was evil. Weather’s morals are not ideal either. I think they’re just as bad as Pucci’s in some cases
Pucci is my favorite villain by a long shot. It’s interesting to note that a key reason why he couldn’t split Weather and Perla up himself is because it would put his path to priesthood in jeopardy to reveal what was told to him during a confessional that he was not yet qualified to conduct.
At that point in his character arc he pursued priesthood because he questioned what order there was in the universe and why fate would allow him to live while his twin brother passed away at birth. So the confessional changed everything for him, he was caught between the event that led him to priesthood being completely recontextualized and protecting his own siblings’ innocence. In his darkest moment, he hung onto Dio’s words. There must be a reason people meet, and a reason Pucci lived while his sister died. He could still fulfill a purpose. At this point, God was no longer Pucci’s path to heaven, it was Dio.
And one more thing to note if whoever is reading this doesn’t mind me digging into this character a bit more, is the way Pucci kept Weather alive. Removing both a memory and stand disc can potentially kill somebody, but Pucci had to do something to stop Weather’s rage. Crucially, he chose to remove his memories, not his stand. This is interesting because without his stand, Weather would still pursue Pucci, but without his memory he is still immensely powerful. However, the snail ability is deactivated, because Weather no longer has the subconscious hatred towards humanity that triggered it. But Pucci did this instead of executing him because he wanted to bring Weather into his heaven, so he kept his disc close to his chest - literally. Which is how Donatello was able to locate it, and return it to Weather, eventually leading to Pucci’s demise by Weather’s stand. It’s touching, he only killed Weather when it became completely necessary, and kept him alive with the threat of his stand because he still cared. But by remaining human unlike other villains who rejected humanity, and having compassion for Weather, he doomed himself. As Emporio said, Pucci never truly overcame fate, because he could not escape his brother’s gravity. By the end he was the worst kind of evil there is in Weather’s words, an evil that doesn’t realize it is evil.
I just wanted to go into more detail about that side of Pucci’s backstory, because it remains relevant up until the final blow is dealt by Weather Report. This character just has so much you can break down, the complex motivations behind his actions and the long term consequences for them throughout the story. He really is a brilliant villain.
Amazing analysis I like it
what a great deep dive into Pucci. I love hearing other people understand him on such a complex level. He is a wonderfully written character, that sadly is overlooked. Amazing analysis!
@@SpongeCakeJ it's due to the later Jojo parts not being animated and not being localized until recently, just leaving people outside of Japan with Dio for decades.
I LOVE it, I thought he was full of shit when he said "I didn't kill you because I wanted to save you" but that's a really good point that actually confirms his words as honest. If he removed his Stand instead of his memories, Weather would've killed himself, but Pucci chose the more dangerous path, letting his brother keep his Stand because he wanted him to see Heaven too.
Something I love about Pucci is that his control over fate makes him a proper final boss for the original universe.
We’ve seen enemies in the past like Diavolo, Kira, and the Oingo Boingo brothers who use fate, but usually in a way where it can’t be changed no matter what they do. And they always make a big deal on how the end result will happen no matter what. So Pucci being the first villain to have control over fate is really telling on how dangerous he is.
It's weird seeing Diavolo, Kira and the Oingo Boingo bros in the same sentence
Great video! Pucci is my favorite villain in media for these reasons!
PUCCI ENTHUSIASTS RISE UP
He is one of the best villains in all of fiction.
He was an incarnation of plot armor and forced writing, one of the worst characters ever. Stone Ocean is also one of the worst written mangas ever. Almost nothing about it was good. You people are blinded by love for Araki and refuse to criticise him no matter what, either that or you are just immature..
@@rokocvjetanovic That's a very strong opinion you have. Pucci isn't forced writing and dose not have plot armor. Everything his character dose is out of planned calculation and patience. That's why Araki wrote him the way he is, and why he's so dangerous to the Joestars. He is one of the few characters in JoJo who knows and understands fate, that's why he is so obsessed with it. I'm sure if you give me any scenario in which you claim there was plot armor or forced writing, I can debunk it. (BTW people are allowed to like things you don't)
@@SpongeCakeJ you are an example of a immature fan who don't understand anything. The proof for that is that you are literally saying that Pucci didn't have plot armor and that the writing was bad and forced, lol. I can talk for days about how terrible it was, but I don’t want to waste time. I wasted it many times with people like you, so I will just say a little about plot armor moments, it is almost every scene with Pucci tho..
First of all, it must be said that Araki clearly made Jotaro the most nerfed character ever, and gave Pucci the biggest plot armor ever, that was necessary for that terrible plot to happen. Some of those moments were...
Pucci stealing Jotaro's disc (Star Platinum should have been able to easily react to Whitesnake. Araki probably ignored the fact that Stands protect their users even if they are not aware. For example when Star Platinum caught the bullet and when it reacted to aqua necklace). Nerfing Jotaro even more than in P4 and removing him from the story a lot was done in a very forced way so that plot can happen.
The whole fight with Weather. Having prep time and make the battle unfair is not always necessarily plot armor, but the ending of that fight definitely is. Weather was fighting an unfair battle and was doing good even in those conditions, and just when he was about to kill Pucci that nonsense happened.
His head didn't break after Star Platinum'punch (he was almost uninjured too), this is both, Pucci's plot armor and Jotaro's nerf. After that Pucci was on the floor and no one attacked him, they were just looking at him. Jotaro could pierce through him or something even without time stop.
Getting a flying gun just when he needed in the fight against Jolyne.
He dodged a point-blank spear that was thrown by Star Platinum. Even with the fact that he saw the spear, a normal human like him can't react and dodge something that fast, especially not from that distance.
He then somehow managed to get MiH, the others were transported to another location and he was left alone to freely accelerate. After he accelerated enough (he had that prep time to accelerate, only because of that Jotaro needed Anasui, without prep time Pucci can't beat time stop users in a fair fight).
At the end, Jotaro could save Jolyne and kill Pucci in a few different ways, if it wasn't for his nerf and Pucci's plot armor.
He could just attack MiH since it was closer to him than Pucci. He could use star finger, it was easily in range. He could throw bullets/knives (they would even get accelerated and Pucci wouldn't know about them, even Jolyne managed to do this). He could move through air (the gravity is different in time stop). He could just grab Pucci like he did with Kakyoin at the beginning of P3, something like that, the point is that Pucci was in that range and he could use Star Platinum to grab and pull Pucci.
In reality, because of terrible writing, Araki made him do nothing, he was also wasting time by pulling Stone Free's hand from Anasui's chest, lol.
In any case, almost every scene with Pucci was full of his plot armor and just bad written, so forced. The plot (Heaven plan) makes no sense no matter how you look at it, side villains were terrible, most of characters were wasted, so many other things without logic... As I said, I can talk for days about how terrible JoJo P6 was, it is not just Araki's worst work, but one of the worst written mangas ever. At least we got a good Part later, but the sacrifice was too big. Araki made one big mistake with that whole Part and lost inspiration.
This is the truth that people like you (the worst type of JoJo fans) will never understand, not to mention accept. I too love JoJo a lot lot and respect Araki in almost every way, but I won't be ignorant and immature if he makes something bad.
Great video. The only thing I disagree with is that Pucci was no different than any other henchmen. I can’t see Dio apologizing for disrespecting any orher henchmen. Even if dio was manipulating Pucci I think that things changed over that time.
We got so many fun villains in Jojo, and then we got Pucci. Fantastic character.
Pucci was funny sometimes. That whole scene where poisonous frogs are raining nonstop and his main concern was that they were ruining his 800 dollar pants was hilarious.
@@lisboah If my ass spent that much money on pants, I would be fucking pissed off too
@@lisboah Something i dont understand is how he has $800 pants. Isn't he a priest
It's also important to note that Fate turned on Pucci at his death as Emporio was only able to beat Pucci after seeing his own future in the "Heaven" Pucci had created, a future in which he killed Pucci. It displays an irony that Pucci, although having controlled fate, gave up his power to show every human their own fate, ending in his own death.
i don’t think fate turned on pucci. he was fated to lose so it was jus a matter of how/when.
When he was chasing Emporio down, he remarked that the destined future was Emporio’s escape and then his own loss.
Emporio was fated to escape Pucci and it didn’t matter how but it was going to happen.
Pucci tried to change his fate by killing Emporio there and then.
But when he trapped Emporio in that small room he sealed his death, because the only way emporio could’ve escaped was with Pucci’s death.
Most fans talk about Funny Valentine and his noble goals, but Pucci was the JoJo villain with the best intentions. His goal would have actually benefited everyone (not sure about the Joestars since Pucci wanted revenge for DIO's death).
If you were to ask which villain I wanted to see win, I would 100% pick Pucci.
I don’t think Puccis goal "benefited everyone" per se and is actually quite evil, it’s definitely perspective. A lot of people would have no will to live if they knew their actions were fated and could not be changed. In a way it takes away the experience and point of living. But for Pucci, this is Heaven. He full heartedly believes it’s for the better of humanity. Thats why I love him, because he’s the kind of evil that doesn't realize that it's evil.
naah pucci didn't care about revenge for dio in fact he said to jolyne that she should enjoy her life instead of follow and stop his heaven plan
@@SpongeCakeJ
Pucci's life was ruined due to a lot of fate.
Why was his brother taken?
Why did his sister and brother meet and fell in love?
Why did he become a priest and had to hear his brother's foster mother's confession?
Why did the detective he recruited had to be part of the KKK?
To him, it would have been better if he had known what would have transpired. Making choices without knowing the consequences can lead to tragedy.
@@lisboah oh yes I can completely agree and understand to why Pucci thought heaven was for the best. Because he would have had the knowledge of what would happen to his family, and emotional prepare for the inevitable. He would accept it and come to terms.
@@SpongeCakeJ
Pucci's ideology is similar to the old saying "live like it was your last day on Earth". If you already know your fate, then there's no point in being afraid. You can enjoy your life to the fullest without having to worry about the future.
A pity that Pucci was corrupted by DIO, who clearly had not so good intentions in his plan to achieve heaven. Pucci wanted Heaven for all without having interest in power, while DIO wanted to create a heaven where all would serve him.
I love that so much. Pucci's own means of doing what he did is like the polar opposite of Kefka from FF6 - arguably probably even more evil, ultimately - rather than Kefka's desire for everything that ever was to completely vanish away.
DIO wanted people to know of the inevitability that he would take over their lives - maybe forcibly to have them submit. Pucci is the ultimate bringer of that "fate worse than death."
Thank you so much for this video.
What makes him so good for me is how he never follows his ideology to the bitter end
He wins when Made in Heaven is born, with his speed he can outrun and avoid any attack, so the only thing he need to do is keep himself alive until the reset
Foward that point everybody else's fate is sealed, the main cast would be fated to lose and Pucci fated to achieve heaven again
Yet, instead of accepting Fate he goes on a rampage. Did he think the Joestars didn't deserve Heaven? But who is he to judge who can or not achieve it? Many people would oppose Heaven if given chance to, so is he just killing them out of spite?
Or does he fear that they can overcome Fate? If yes then he doesn't believe on it as much as he sounds, and his struggle to accept Fate is what gives Emporio the chance to strike bacl
I think he saw them as both obstacles, and pawns of fate. Something he must overcome to prove himself worthy, but also the very thing that will propel him to heaven. And yeah, Jotaro threw the harpoon that led Pucci to the position he needed to achieve Made In Heaven.
I think he saw the main cast as both obstacles, and pawns of fate. Something he must overcome to prove himself worthy, but also the very thing that will propel him to heaven. And yeah, Jotaro threw the harpoon that led Pucci to the position he needed to achieve Made In Heaven.
This man's underrated.
15:00 bro you were on beat for a sec there
how do you have less than a thousand subs man? this video is so good and I love your script
awesome video!! i’ve seen so many people misunderstand pucci’s character and motives, ESPECIALLY how it relates to dio, but this pretty much hits the nail on the head.
great video, I like what you thought to have as the talking points
Yo bro, i aint lying you deserve alot more subs! Your vids are amazing and interesting ❤😎
My jaw dropped when I saw the view count after this video, great work
I’m subscriber 979. Can’t wait for you to get 1k subs.
Pucci is easily the best jojo villain that is animated
HIS NAME IS ANASUI DAMMIT
Please make a video about jolyne and how she counteracts pucci characters, even when she’s dead.
Her character shows some similarities to other characters in the series, mostly Jonathan joestar.
I think her character is interesting and even has some of the best character development (2nd to Johnny joestar).
Too bad Whitesnake is a contrived mess, that bullshitted abilities out of no where, and forced the plot to continue when it really should have failed at least six times
I agree, Whitesnake’s abilities were sort of ambiguous, the goo that makes people hallucinate, being able to make the frog explode, being able to shut off his eyesight, being able to manipulate Anasui. I thought his abilities were only extracting memories and stands and being able to put them into others but he could freakin do it all lol if the plot required him to
FUNNY VALENTINE NEXT
I’ve come back to this video weeks after my initial viewing and I’m still not sold on Dio’s manipulation
I know that he’s manipulative, but what proves that he isn’t genuine in his interactions with Pucci ?
So far I’m anime only
I think that’s a question we’re sort of meant to ask. But whether it was manipulation or not, he still needed to rely on Pucci for the plan.
Now do Funny Valentine
womp womp
flawed ideology? it was metaphysics and he was proven right by successfully resetting the universe.
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Anastasia 🤢 perfect video otherwise though teehee
It's a good video but DIO did not manipulate Pucci, DIO was open to Pucci and his own (DIO's) lack of morals added to Pucci's own flawed views results in him taking actions most other people with similar views would never do.
I have a video over DIO's redeeming actions & views to source what I say, when you think about it, you will notice confirmation bias making you say that DIO manipulated Pucci over and over w/o the series giving any actual evidence in the background.
A great video, but the one lacking point present both here and in part 6 in my eyes the ending.
Pucci was my favorite part of JoJo by far and i thought the overarching story of p6 was amazing. The themes of family, fate and willpower from before all culminating here, but for the villain rather than the protagonists. In a show where power comes from the manifestation of someone's will, having the villain have the strongest will of all characters present seemed like an amazing mix up. That he was able to defeat everyone else and succeed in his goal because of his passion and pure force of will makes sense given the rest of the show.
So to have it all crashing down at the end just left me feeling let down by the show.
I see where you’re coming from but I disagree. Pucci definitely had the strongest will for his goals and desires, but he was ultimately evil. As Emporio states "Fate always favors the path of justice" and with Pucci meddling with fate, it caused his downfall. His strong will to want to change the fate of mankind to his "ideals" led to his downfall. Same thing happened to Diavolo. I think it’s poetic what happened to Pucci, especially when Weather Report got the killing blow.
But “What is Justice?” hell if I know.
@@animalia5554 Justice is an act of good. What Emporio is saying is that, if you decide to make "Just actions" that are whole heartedly good, than fate will always favor that path. In turn rewarding a character of Justice morals. Pucci believed his goals as justice, but they were selfish. Leading to his downfall by Weather Reports disc making it into the next universe, and gravity brining the two together again all caused by fate.
@@SpongeCakeJ I was trying to get philosophical.
@@SpongeCakeJ If I continue on that bent, I like being kind to people and doing nice things for people. I like the feeling it gives me. But if I like the feeling it gives me can I truly call it a selfish act, after all I get that good feeling out of it?
The two concepts seem to be intertwined in a spectrum to me.
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He was an incarnation of plot armor and forced writing, he can't do anything without it. The plot made no sense and in the last arc Araki just wanted to forcefully end the verse. Fans who support p6 are so immature, blinded by love for Araki.. I can talk for days about how terrible it was.
Support your argument
“He was an incarnation of plot armor.” So like, literally every Joestar that came before? That’s the whole point, the Joestars have always been fated to win, the introduction of Pucci asks what would happen if the villain was on the side of fate instead of trying to fight it. I understand where you’re coming from, despite you not explaining any of your reasoning, but I have to say you’re kind of missing the point. And it’s a little absurd to call the people who enjoy this part immature, because frankly, that in itself is the most immature way to criticize a work of fiction.
@@EditUnivers75 the writing was never as bad and it is okay when "plot armor" saves someone once, but Pucci is something completely different, almost every scene with him was terrible and full of forced writing. I will write some of those moments..
First of all, it must be said that Araki clearly made Jotaro the most nerfed character ever, and gave Pucci the biggest plot armor ever, that was necessary for that terrible plot to happen. The whole part had terrible forced writing, and the ending was no different, it was unnecessary, forced and without logic. Araki just didn't know what to do. And now as I said, here are some Pucci's plot armor moments..
Pucci stealing Jotaro's disc (Star Platinum should have been able to easily react to Whitesnake. Araki probably ignored the fact that Stands protect their users even if they are not aware. For example when Star Platinum caught the bullet and when it reacted to aqua necklace). Nerfing Jotaro even more than in P4 and removing him from the story a lot was done in a very forced way so that plot can happen.
The whole fight with Weather. Having prep time and make the battle unfair is not always necessarily plot armor, but the ending of that fight definitely is. Weather was fighting an unfair battle and was doing good even in those conditions, and just when he was about to kill Pucci that nonsense happened.
His head didn't break after Star Platinum'punch (he was almost uninjured too), this is both, Pucci's plot armor and Jotaro's nerf. After that Pucci was on the floor and no one attacked him, they were just looking at him. Jotaro could pierce through him or something even without time stop.
Getting a flying gun just when he needed in the fight against Jolyne.
He dodged a point-blank spear that was thrown by Star Platinum. Even with the fact that he saw the spear, a normal human like him can't react and dodge something that fast, especially not from that distance.
He then somehow managed to get MiH, the others were transported to another location and he was left alone to freely accelerate. After he accelerated enough (he had that prep time to accelerate, only because of that Jotaro needed Anasui, without prep time Pucci can't beat time stop users in a fair fight).
At the end, Jotaro could save Jolyne and kill Pucci in a few different ways, if it wasn't for his nerf and Pucci's plot armor.
He could just attack MiH since it was closer to him than Pucci. He could use star finger, it was easily in range. He could throw bullets/knives (they would even get accelerated and Pucci wouldn't know about them, even Jolyne managed to do this). He could move through air (the gravity is different in time stop). He could just grab Pucci like he did with Kakyoin at the beginning of P3, something like that, the point is that Pucci was in that range and he could use Star Platinum to grab and pull Pucci.
In reality, because of terrible writing, Araki made him do nothing, he was also wasting time by pulling Stone Free's hand from Anasui's chest, lol.
In any case, almost every scene with Pucci was full of his plot armor and just bad written, so forced. The plot (Heaven plan) makes no sense no matter how you look at it, side villains were terrible, most of characters were wasted, so many other things without logic... As I said, I can talk for days about how terrible JoJo P6 was, it is not just Araki's worst work, but one of the worst written mangas ever. At least we got a good Part later, but the sacrifice was too big. Araki made one big mistake with that whole Part and lost inspiration. And yeah, people who support it are either immature or just ignorant and won't criticise Araki no matter what.
This is the truth that people like you (the worst type of JoJo fans) will never understand, not to mention accept. I too love JoJo a lot lot and respect Araki in almost every way, but I won't be ignorant and immature if he makes something bad.
@@rokocvjetanovic I was going to go through and refute your points, since I’ve seen every one of them before, you’re not unique and I’m sure you’ve even seen the answers to all of these as well. Araki is not a god, he is only human and I acknowledge that Jojo is flawed in certain ways. But honestly, I’ve seen enough of posts like these, pointlessly inflammatory and blatantly missing/misinterpreting crucial information. I appreciate you taking the time to write this up, but fuck you for saying that I’m the worst kind of Jojo fan after my respectful reply. I will end this with a quote from Pucci, my reasoning for ending this discussion now and not wasting more of my time: “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”
@@rokocvjetanovicbro calm down
This is so wrong. Pucci is one of the worst characters ever and stone ocean is one of the worst written mangas ever. He was carried by his plot armor and forced writing of stone ocean. He can't do anything without that. I can talk for days about how terrible the writing of him and P6 in general was. No offense, but fans who love him and P6 in general are either blinded by love for Araki and won't criticise him no matter what, or just immature..
Oh get off the cross, we need the wood
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