Should you buy the fastest SSD for Pro Photo + Video Workflow? The answer will surprise you!
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- Should you buy the fastest SSD for Pro Photo + Video Workflow? The answer will surprise you! This video will answer the question which SSD you should buy and how fast should it be. There are lots of specs out there in the market and we have a tendency to focus strictly on specs and larger transfer numbers / speed which also means higher price tag. This may not necessary be what you need in your workflow. This video will walk you through various types of SSD available in the market today and advise you with evidence as to which one you should buy. Here's a hint, don't spend any more than you need to, find out more in this video.
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This is by far the most valuable and practical Mac external SSD buying guide I've seen. Instead of relying on benchmarking software, use the real case scenario that image/video creators care about most. Thank you. You deserve more subscriptions and clicks.
Glad you liked it!
This is EXACTLY what I was searching for. I was looking at SSDs with the highest performance thinking it would have a huge impact on the performance of my photography and video apps but it's clearly bottlenecked by many other factors.
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Exactly the type of information I was looking for! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Every video I see from you, I just find amazing the quality and the way you explain this complex topics in detail. Thank you so much, amazing content!!
Thank you!
Thanks! Something I’ve often wondered.
You bet!
You saved me so much money! Thank you so much for a really informative video!
Glad I could help!
Very enlightening! Thanks very much!
Glad it was helpful!
Very informative and useful, thanks!
You're welcome!
This is really helpful! Employer gave me a base model 14” MBP with only 512gb and was dreading finding a fast enough SSD to move my photo library to. You just saved me a ton of money!
You're welcome!
super helpful as always! THanks!
Glad to hear it!
This video was so useful, thanks so much!!
You're so welcome!
Thank you for this video. Very enlightening.
You're very welcome
Thank you so much for this video, was deciding between a 1TB SSD and a slower 2TB ssd for 4k video editing. But you made the answer very clear!
Great to hear!
Excellent analysis, thank you so much.
My pleasure!
Art, big thank you for making this video because you saved me a ton of money! I was originally going to buy a Thunderbolt enclosure but after watching this video, I went with the T7 Shield (and got it on sale too). Speeds have been more than enough for photo and video editing on it and everything runs smoothly.
Great to hear!
Enclosure can still be good if you want more storage like a 4tb drive that doesn't exist yet in the T7 lineup for example.
@@Superjeanmarc Also for the ability to replace the ssd and continue using the enclosure. And bare nvme are generally significantly cheaper than buying a pre enclosed external drive. As well as the faster transfer rates.
Really helpful content. Thanks!
You're very welcome!
I like that your videos are so relevant. Have you tested Lightroom catalog import, catalog save, or preview load times for Lightroom with faster disks? I think these sorts of common tasks would make a difference with a faster disk. Also you mentioned a faster disk will not likely read cards faster, but I think a fast external disk should back up a large catalog much faster.
Yes I have tested those extensive, and no faster read write does not make a difference. These programs are never coded for high through put. The latest statement "... but I think a fast external disk should back up a large catalog much faster." It all depends, if you rely on LRC no if you manual copy the catalog then perhaps. But you are forgetting 1 big fundamental. LRC cat and preview files, even though we see each of it as 1 file. One is technically a SQL Lite database and the other is a container full of subfolder based on LRC folder preview structure. And none of these transfer fast, lots of bits to transfer.
This video is 1 year old but still an eye opener. Didn't really expect the results are this close for non-continuous tasks. This makes my next drive purchase decision a lot easier. Thanks!
Thank you and the result is still the same today as well and will continue to be unless there's a major underpinning changes in the app, which, let's face it, now a day that chance is 0 to none and even if they change some of the fundamental, disk IO is rarely ever anything that they touched on. I have seen this in LRC past.
The only time (other than moving a ton of huge files) I notice the difference between a slower SSD and a faster SSD is when I am previewing many thumbnails of large photoshop files in finder at the same time in icon view.
I see a SSD with 2800MB/s speed loads all thumbnails in full preview roughly 40% faster than a SSD with 800MB/s speed. But I am still unsure if it's worth such a huge difference in costs.
Moving files yes and previewing in finder yes but that is such a smaller percentage of the usage.
So glad you put this out. I just bought 4 4TB Samsung SATA SSDs to go into an OWC Thunderbay-Mini enclosure. Getting over 500Mbps r/w speeds. Also have an array of the M2 NVME 2TB drives and getting around 2G r/w on those. No difference when doing FCP exports or even transcoding to ProRes 422 between them. BTW - where did you get the plugin that draws the box around an area - really like that. thanks a ton.
That is a plug in by Motion VFX. motionvfx.sjv.io/c/1927418/614046/10011 I don't remember the name of the one used here, I can look it up and let you know.
very informative. thanks.
You're welcome!
Love watching your videos, as few if any of the other content creators out there even touch on this idea.
Most are more concerned about being the first to say one thing or another that doesn't really matter.
Art is saving me $$$s and thanks.
I appreciate that!
Great videos. Very informative.
Thank you!
Thanks for the video :)
My pleasure!
Great video thanks! saved me a bundle of dosh as going to get a nice t7 2tb for LrC
Glad I could help!
Another great video from ArtisRight and since all my current cameras shoot to CFexpress B cards having the “Gen 4” NVME drives really help when dumping the cards to my computer…
Thank you! Yes for your setup, NVMe really helps!
Thank you so much for making this video! It answers exactly what I was wondering while looking at a NAS storage system vs DAS with Lightroom Classic.
I have videos on NAS and DAS as well on my channel. Let m know if you have any questions.
@@ArtIsRight I saw the playlist linked in this video and just finished them all! They’re great! Thank you! It helped answer much of what I was thinking about: RAM, caching, 10G. Though I have a small part of me still wondering about Synology vs QNAP. Why did you choose Synology over QNAP? I believe the hard drive vendor lock-in is on all of Synology’s new machines.
No all Synology machine, for consumer only on the 12+ bay models i.e. DS2422+ and on the enterprise models the XS and XS+ series. So far the DS1821+ is still open. And based on what I've seen so far, drives still works but it is not preferred to Synology. I don't like the lock in but it is not to bad yet. I still prefer their software and SHR - Synology Hybrid RAID, which is something that QNAP does not have. It also allows for me to expand in the array in a way that is not easily done with traditional RAID. So that benefit alone is worth wonders for me.
another helpful video!
Glad to hear it!
Thanks very much for the info! I was on the lookout for an external ssd and all I came up with was “don’t buy these slow ones when you can get 2.8gb transfers!”… fact is a 2tb extreme portable v2 today is selling for 189,00 and a Samsung980Pro 2tb with 40gb Thunderbolt + Usb c enclosure goes up to 360,00! So, you could almost get 2 sandisks! Definitely getting the portable instead of the pro as well! Thanks very much for helping me saving some of my blood, sweat and tears! ❤️
You're welcome.
Great video! I have seen Davinci use upto 900MB/s on my scratch drive (external thunderbolt) while rendering 4k projects. I also noticed Davinci performance was much smoother on thunderbolt drives compared to USB 4 drives. I could not pinpoint the reason but it was sure noticeable and repeatable. Nonetheless, great video as always!
I have not used Davinci, but that is also the reason why I have not included Davinci in this video. Also that is scratch, but is it IO from reading and writing the final rendering? At some point I'll look into this.
A great video. thanks for your great work. I am looking for a work flow with everything for lightroom on the external drive and even on a hard disk drive which should be at least 100m/s not far from the 150m/s peak. thanks again.
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excellent explanation 👍👍
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This was very helpful. Thank you. I’m waiting for my Mac Studio and looking into how to set it up properly and what drives for storage and backup of my photos to buy.
I’m thinking of getting G-drive pro 6TB drives which are not even SSDs but run at 250MBps which should be enough according to the video.
My plan is to run the Lightroom catalog on the internal SSD and store (for editing and archive) in the external hard drives. Would you say this is the best way to do it? Will the performance be hindered if I edit in the external drives?
Thanks a lot for the videos and knowledge, Art
Thank you and what you have in mind will work just fine!
Yup, it’s offical… I 💯💯💯% “trust” Art now!! You are doing thee best, and most helpful reviews for pro users out there my friend 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 Thank you so much 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Awesome! Thank you!
Art, thank you for these videos. I find them extremely informative and thorough. I have a new 14 inch M2 Max 32GB Ram 2TB SSD on the way. I'm an amateur photographer and I use Capture One. I'm trying to understand how much faster the editing process and overall CP1 performance is when both the catalog and referenced RAW files are on the internal SSD compared to having the RAW files on an external SSD? Does having one of these faster SSD thunderbolt drives help when editing if the RAW files are stored on the external drive? Is it better and more responsive to have the CP1 catalog file on the internal SSD if I keep the RAW files on an external drive? I'm more concerned about performance using CP1 than I am how long it take to import/export files to a drive. thank you.
I'm trying to understand how much faster the editing process and overall CP1 performance is when both the catalog and referenced RAW files are on the internal SSD compared to having the RAW files on an external SSD?
Nothing at all really, look at the Read and Write when you are working with C1, it does not peak that much at all, modern SSD even the old 5 GB/s will work just fine and not bottle neck.
Does having one of these faster SSD thunderbolt drives help when editing if the RAW files are stored on the external drive?
It would seem like so, but that is a huge misconception. Again app does not use that much IO.
Is it better and more responsive to have the CP1 catalog file on the internal SSD if I keep the RAW files on an external drive?
You can try that, I have done that with LRC and it does not change anything. I feel it would be the same with C1
I'm more concerned about performance using CP1 than I am how long it take to import/export files to a drive. thank you.
Right, don't worry about it, any SSD internal or external will do.
Great video, thx very much 👍⭐👍⭐👍⭐👍⭐👍⭐👍⭐👍
Thank you 👍
Great and informative videos Art, really liking it, just wanted to ask 1 things, for editing (photo/video) off an external ssd, is it okay to have the SSD formated to EXFAT ? Or does it have to be on a specific format. Thanks in advance
If you are going back and forth with PC then sure EXFAT will have to do. However, if you are just using it for Mac, with SSD use APFS, with HDD use HFS+
Very nice!
Thanks!
Very nice!!!
Thank you! Cheers!
This is a very informative video, thank you for that. So if I were to do any kind of lightroom photo editing, should I put the catalog in the same external SSD or internal PC in order to maximize performance?
It does not matter, personally I like to store the catalog with the images, should anything ever happen, they are with the image instead of the on the computer.
Thanks. So get what's on sale!
Yeah when it comes to SSD and a brand that you deemed reliable.
This was just simply brilliant, and it puts to shame all those other reviewers. But let me tell you why you may not have millions of subscribers like some, but that's a good thing. Simply put, truth doesn't sell as well as lies, deception, misinformation, or disinformation. Truth is only valuable to the truth seeker, and most people look for something entertaining or sensational (e.g., "Base M2 SSD performs worse than M1).
Word! I hear you, I don't sensationalize thing, but that is never really my goal.
Thank you for this good video. For my use case I figured this out a long time ago. In 2019 I bought (for $380) an external Sandisk Extreme 2tb SSD and formatted NTFS for use on my Windows laptops and it has a 520mb/s rated speed. I have my Lightroom Classic catalog on the internal 512gb SSD and all the photos on the external 2tb SSD (along with various other files) and the speed has been fine for me.
Then last week I bought a new 2022 external Sandisk 2tb SSD 520mb/s for $150 and formatted it exFAT for use on the Mac. I have my Lightroom Classic catalog on my M1 Mac Mini 16gb/512gb internal SSD and all the photos on the external 2tb SSD (along with various other files) and the speed has been fine for me.
There you go! Sensible!
@@ArtIsRight - I reluctantly chose exFAT rather than APFS because I want this new SSD to be readable and writable on both MacOS and Windows. I realize exFAT is not as robust as APFS and NTFS, but it will have to do and I will just have to be careful. I keep everything backed up to several spinning HDs also. By the way, i have watched several of your excellent videos over the last few months. Thank you for making them.
very nice video
Thanks
Finally someone that "clarifies the myth" of SSD!
Thank you for that!
Thank you!
Thanks!
I was also learning from your M2Max vs. M2Pro comparison for photography. Thank you.
You bet!
Glad I could help! Much appreciated!
I wish I would have found this video a week ago. It would have saved me a few days of researching about whether to buy the fastest NVME SSD and Thunderbolt 3 enclosure I could afford vs. a cheaper NVME SSD and USB 3.1.2 enclosure. Asking around on sites like Reddit I kept getting replies that “faster is always better” and I almost pulled the trigger on a 970 EVO Plus and TB3 enclosure. But then it dawned on me… if I am importing media from SD cards and archiving media on HDD, exactly when will I enjoy the benefit of ~2500Mbps from my TB3 NVME external drive? As you said, your fastest dive is only ever as fast as the slowest link in the chain. Even during editing that drive likely never breaks 300Mps and is usually running at about ~100Mbps. The only situation where an ultra fast SSD makes sense would be if you are backing up media to an equally fast SSD. For my workflow I don’t need that. I back up to HDD at night, so I could care less if it takes an hour to do something I could do in minutes.
I nearly spent $180 for a 1TB NVME and TB3 enclosure that would be capable of ~1500Mbps. I ended up spending $160 for a 2TB NVME in a USB 3.2 enclosure that is capable of ~1000Mbps. Double the storage space for less money and the comfort of knowing that my workflow will never need anywhere near the theoretical maximum speed of my external SSD.
Thank you!
I’ve just gone through this exact same process recently and arrived at the same conclusion as you. I’m so glad I found this video because the internet is ablaze with the slower SSD’s on the Mac mini M2, but I won’t need the difference day to day! Peace.
Which enclosure and drive did you end up going with?
@@chipdouglas1079 Sabrent 3.2 enclosure with Teamgroup MP33 2TB NVME.
I'm currently planning my Mac Studio purchase and trying to decide about SSD size. I like to keep all of my files for the year on a main working drive - typically on my PC this has been an internal 14TB drive. I need 14 - 20 TB a year for this workflow.
Given that your test showed the max transfer speed used by LRC was around 200 MB/s, it seems like I can use an HDD-based RAID 0 G-Drive with Thunderbolt 3 that caps out at at least 500 MB/s. Essentially, SSDs are not really required at all, just an External HDD with Thunderbolt 3, or if you want to be sure to maximize efficiency, a RAID 0 HDD with TB3 or higher. So instead of spending $3500 on a 16 TB NVME Thunder Blade, I can spend $1100 on a 24 TB G-Raid setup to use as my working drive and not experience any downside in performance within LRC that would bottleneck my Mac Studio Ultra in any way.
I appreciate all of your testing, as it is really helping me make the most optimized decisions I can both with the Mac Studio configuration, and now the hard drives!
Sensible. I like that! I would recommend a hybrid workflow with immediate work on SSD and storage on HDD. The reason why is not so much speed but latency. HDD need to make revolution to access your files. SSD just get to it right away. However, if you are running RAID then you should be good to go. Just some extra thought there but you are on the right track
@@ArtIsRight Thanks for the feedback!
Awesome video, my new M1 Mac Mini should arrive at the store this week, I have configured it 16gb RAM with 1tb Storage. As a keen photographer I have my images stored at present on a LaCie rugged 2tb Thunderbolt 2 drive with a second 4tb USB-C drive as back-up, I want to update my external drive to SSD and had been looking at superfast SSD's to work with the Thunderbolt ports on the Mini but you indicate that I have clearly been heading in the wrong direction.
So thanks for this video, I can now look at bigger SSD drives for less money than a small super quick/super expensive ultra SSD. I have dabbled with a small SSD (Sandisk Extreme Mk1 500gb) but my MBP from mid 2014 isn't great on modern connections and I don't really get any benefit from the SSD (at least I don't think that I do), I am also unhappy with the drive as it locks up and refuses to wake if the computer has gone to sleep so won't be getting another Sandisk, shame as their memory cards have always been good.
Great video and well happy that I have found your channel. Thanks.
Thank you!
Art - I would also like to point out that the newer SanDisk Extreme Pro 2000MB/s (as I found out form a recent purchase) can only attain this speed using a USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 interface. Macs do not have this interface nor is it backward compatible on the Thunderbolt interface, so very unwise for a Mac user to pay a premium for these. These interfaces are fairly rare on Windows-based machines, too.
Thanks for the additional thought. That is the other issues, and you made a great point that pouring ones money to get the fastest drive does not mean much if the computer can't even utilized it!
Glad I watched this video I was going to purchase one
The latest macs have usb 4, which is backwards compatible with all other usb standards.
@@DrSteveGames Wrong... Mac doesn’t support 3.2 gen 2x2.
USB4 at least on the Mac still doesn't support 3.2 2x2, unfortunately. I have read a few tech articles on the PC side calling that 3.2 2x2 is now a niche and many manufacturers don't see it's worthwhile to invest in making devices with that protocol.
If you can, maybe wait for the SSD manufacturers to release native USB-4 SSD. Or, if you are in hurry, bite the bullet for the thunderbolt SSDs.
Can't see the link for the disk performance monitor app you mentioned. Would like to get that.
Just added the link, here it is too bjango.com
these kind of videos are educational...I hope I came across earlier..however in a amazon sale here in india..I was confused about a x6 500gb or Samsung 1tb.. x6 was slightly cheaper but then I thought why not just gor for 1tb with higher reading writing speed
thank you
Art, this was very important for me, so thank you very much. I am still considering to change the Mac Pro 5.1 with the Studio. At the moment I have about 1.7 TB photos. I am using LightRoom. If I understand you right, it is better to have the photos on an external SSD and not spend to lot on an internal SSD. But should the LR Catalog be also on the external or rather on the internal SSD? At the moment I am now thinking to buy the M1 Max with 64 Gb Ram, but with only 1 TB SSD and rather buy bigger external SSDs.
A side question: can the old Mac Pro 5.1 be used like a NAS or like another kind of server as a backup system? I do not know if the Pro will be easy to sell (here in Norway).
You can choose to have the catalog in any location it won't effect performance much. I like the catalog on the SSD along with the images this way you are depend of your laptop, otherwise, you have 1/2 of the data on your SSD and the other 1/2 on your laptop. The machine that you want seems fine. As far as MP 5,1 for NAS or storage server you can do that but I don't recommend for a few reason, at the top being power consumption, those machines are power hungry just to keep running all the time. The SATA is really slow, you can get better speed with PCIE card but if you want fast backup then you want 10 GbE as well and that is another card. Personally if you want a NAS just get a NAS, either Synology or build one, better, newer hardware and you have the benefit of not maintaining macOS which is nice.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you for your advice. It is a good help for me.
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A great video, thanks for sharing! 👍 I'm considering utilizing two of my existing 4TB SATA SSDs in a RAID-0 configuration in a Thunderbay mini enclosure. In theory, that would probably give something like 900MB/s reading speed, which would be sufficient for multicam 4K editing without proxy media. What do you think about it? 🤔 (They are both from SanDisk, and people here are warning about the brand... The other is actually a warranty replacement part, since the original got read/write errors within a year of use.)
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You can do that just make sure that you have a good back up system. RAID 0 without a good backup is risky business at best.
@@ArtIsRight of course, setting up two backups actually. Thanks for the reply! 😊
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Hi Art, for 4K h265 editing in final cut pro directly on external drive with library project as well as media files all external, which SSD do you recommend? Thanks
Any of these will do, 500MB/s is more than enough really. The thing now is that 1000MB/s drives are about the same price as the slower one now, so I would say if the price variation is small, just go for the faster one.
Very helpful, thank you!
I think getting a larger internal SSD makes more sense for laptops, because not having to bring and connect any external drives when you are on the road can be quite a convenience factor.
True, but the cost that Apple charges is also exorbitant compared to external. It all comes down to workflow, budget, and convenient factor. In a way it is also riskier to have larger internal storage on apple laptop as well, being non removable and all. If one does not have a backup or a good backup routine then everything can go kaput in a matter of second when the computer decided it wants to give you a hard time :) I had all my data erased from a Mac laptop before, I always have back up of course but it is annoying to say the least.
@@ArtIsRight Yes! Many valid points! I try to stay as safe as possible by running a dual backup (Time Machine plus iDrive cloud backup).
My biggest issue are two massive Lightroom catalogs that eat up hundreds of gigabytes and I prefer to have them on board.
As you said - cost vs convenience …
Yes that is a tough call :D
@@ThomasGeist for catalogs, just backup the .lrcat file without the previews, it should be under 10gbs even with hundreds of thousands of pictures in it, and it's a single file instead of a myriad of small files, so it takes a few seconds.
I backup my catalogues everyday (I use a few different ones sorted by type of shooting): previews can be easily rebuilt, losing all edits and tags can't be rebuilt :)
@@beetrootize Backing up the catalogs is no problem.
It’s having them with me while I’m on the road. They fill up a significant amount of my internal 1 TB SSD.
Otherwise I’d need to bring an external drive with me.
Art, whats about the lag / delay time? When your inside Lightroom Classic and switching from one big raw to the next there is allways a small lag. With new computer its much better than the old macbooks. This has nothing to do with the ssd speed? More CPU or GPU?
No difference what so ever with regards to SSD speed tested this with super fast raid 0 SSDs no variations. More GPU and CPU related.
6:52 Hi Art to clarify the test setup on the external SSDs, the catalog file, raw image file, cache is stored on the external SSD drive? Only the application is on the Mac?
Do you also do exports to the same external SSD? Is there a speed difference when exporting to JPEG to the internal SSD vs external SSD?
Also do you have tests for how heat might slow down these external SSD drives? Do the more expensive drives do better in this regard?
Have worked with my LRC catalog file and raw files all on a 3.5” HDD because my library file is too big for my old Mac’s SSD storage. Find it sluggish at times but think it’s probably mainly the spinning drive.
cache always on computer. no point moving them to external. Exporting to either speed are the same. Write speed is not the factor. Heat can slow down SSD but not for export, the write is extreme small and just a longer duration. This depends on the SSD as well.
It is spinning drives that you are running into that issue and larger LRC cat slows down a lot
@@ArtIsRight I think the argument for external cache like After Effects caching for example is that you are taxing your internal ssd above normal usage over several years instead of taxing an external ssd which you can replace easily. You are drastically reducing the life of your internal ssd by caching internally. Would love your input on this.
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I would like to get an SSD for a second cache drive for heavy photoshop files, as far as I understood the top of the line 4.0 NVME SSD Enclosures would be completely overkill, and I should just get a regular old generation SSD for this?
You can it would be more than fast enough.
I have istats and see the same stats while scrubbing however, I definitely have more stuttering with a t5 (around 500mbs) vs the extreme pro (1000mbs)
It would depends on the footage, camera, compressions and etc. If you find that 1000 MBs works better choose that. T5 are a dying breed anyways, difficult to find now a days.
This guy teaching us to save money as well i like
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On MS Ultra connected to the Samsung Portable 2Tb SSD X5 I got Write 2151,1MB/s and Read 2558,3MB/s
Good to know, on Mac there's always ports protocol and either HFS+ or APFS overhead, which is why you rarely achieved theoretical speed. The curse in a way of having a Mac.
Hi Art. I have a Samsung 970 Evo Plus M2 NVME and I was looking for a enclosure with a speed of 40gbps. But I don't know if I need such a fast housing for photos and working in Lightroom. But on the other hand, having a fast disk, buy a slower case? What do you think?
I would check out Acasis case th-cam.com/video/LO36zgqouCs/w-d-xo.html LRC and Photo workflow will not use that speed on the daily grind, but like you said why not and either way it will help immensely with transfer speed.
@@ArtIsRight thank you
Which NVMe enclosure did you use here?
Orico which I reviewed here th-cam.com/video/4IHVeU8_1Jk/w-d-xo.html and Acasis reviwed th-cam.com/video/LO36zgqouCs/w-d-xo.html
You can say it louder but not clearer !. A must see if you want to save money or what's the same you don't want to throw money away.
Thanks pal
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skip the optimization part when copying (I'm using sony UHS ii card R:250mb/s W:150mb/s with HDD laice 4TB 130mb/s), use orthographic task on LR, with number 4000 raw files ( 45mb for sony A7r3 ) on M1 Pro (the previous machine was intel MBP 16 16gb 512 2018 - very slow 🥲), the performance has also changed a lot compared to the old machine. Will when I use SSD instead of the HDD I'm using. whether the increase in activity level will change much. With the raw image size is too large, I will prioritize the size before that. But if speed and performance there is a lot of spike. I would consider a 2tb ssd. look forward to a reply. thanks 😊
Here's the answer, which I think I understand your question correctly, if this does not answer the question, please restate the question in a reply. So any SSD for that matter will improve performance in LRC. reason why is that even though HDD might have speed that matches the sustained used in LRC, the thing with rotating platter and reading head as in HDD is that, there's a lot of latency. This is something that is reduced greatly in SSD. And as you can see in this video, you can get a faster SSD but there's really not that much benefit. Right now Samsung T7 is probably the one that would recommend as the main stream SSD. At 1000 MB/s Read Write, it is more than enough for any workflow.
@@ArtIsRight thank you for the answer. many questions are answered quickly through video and helpful communication. It's really a gift to know about your channel. I think in the future investing properly will save me a lot of time and make more money. thank you so much 🥰🥰🥰
Anytime!
Would you say this also applies for an Adobe After Effects disk cache working on 8K compositions? thx
I'm not sure, I would have to test this; however, I don't know when I will get to it. It has been really busy at the studio
@@ArtIsRight No worries. I appreciate it. Cheers!
Hello and thank you for this video of yours I have an iMac M1 8gpu 16 GB ram. I use the LR classic on a professional level and I'm realizing that lately it's slow in scrolling photos and in general use. The same happens for Photoshop. I use the other classic on a professional level and I'm realizing that lately it's slow in scrolling photos and in general use. The same happens for Photoshop. I use many hdr files. i think what i can do to better my performance. i have the files on a ssd 970 evo plus but i have understand now that is ok. i think i must go for a better cpu and ram? sure 32 gb ram m1 pro ? the m2 pro non base version i think cost too much?
Do you have 256 GB or 512 GB internal storage or more? I'm considering buying an iMac M1 8GPU 16 GB, but now I'm thinking about it
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The slowdown is mostly from the SoC, M1 is not aging well after 4 years. PS, LRC is becoming more demanding now. My recommendation is to look for anything with a "pro" or "max" SoC - 32 GB will help as well
@@ArtIsRightm1 or m2 not so much difference?
M2 gen is holding on better, M1 Pro or Max will last longer than just the consumer oriented vanilla "M" SoC
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i have experienced my thunderbolt 3 external ssds overheat and then dropping in performance - i would recomend getting more internal storage! also the battery life is way worse with external ssds
It is all a balance, some have to content with cost. Heat, yes but one would have to work the SSD Hard and if that the case, sure internal is better. And sure battery life is worse but you'll be amaze how many already used external drives with their Mac. Relative to internal yes, relative to what they have now, may be not so much.
@@ArtIsRight yeah not sure .. depends! i would rather finish a project in time than wait for my ssd to cool down and not be in the flow of editing videos, but i totally get why someone would use external ssds .. i did too for a very long time!
I and many others have had bad experiences with SanDisk SSDs. They use cheap ssd controllers and have had a history of doing so for many many years, I could not warn against their SSDs enough. Mine was freezing and locking up out of the box when presented with a constant load even if it wasn't a high pressure load.
I agree, the only SSD I recommend is the LaCie rugged SSD period!
I had issues on and off with my Sandisk as well. Samsung has been really solid for me.
@@ArtIsRight Yeah the Samsung T5s I use for shooting on my blackmagic camera are stellar for normal use too - only reason I chose the Sandisk was the loopy hole to attach it to things.. which I never ended up doing anyways
I hear you! I have both and also the G-Drive one as well. If you want well build, get the G-Drive. :D
Regarding import, this test is dependant on the input media surely? You can only demonstrate the maximums by using the fastest CFexpress cards with a thunderbolt reader? If you're using say a UHS-I SD card well there's your bottleneck? What am I missing?
Well not quite, the images has already been copied to the NVMe, so it is independent rather than dependent. Also workflow that download directly form memory card directly into editing program and rely on that program to perform the basic file coping function is flawed and can sometime leads to fatal error, worse yet, it extremely difficulty to track down where the error occurred because the program added complexity to what is really simple. Sure use CFexpress and download you'll get 1.5-1.7 GB/s based on the CFExpress spec but that is missing the point, no one should ever edit from those card and like I said before, copy function should be simplified to minimized errors. And no I was not using USH-I SD card, there no bottle neck in what I showed and the logical, reasoning and rationale demonstrated here is sound.
@@ArtIsRight Thanks for the detailed reply, that all makes sense! I've recently changed over to fast CFexpress cards from XQD for my Nikon Z7 and also invested in a Thunderbolt card reader, hence my question. Import to drive from card is now 1250 read, 1485 write!
Got cha, and that I what I suspected that even a card that can read at 1700 MB/s, you won't get that because of overhead, file system and etc. Which is disappointing, relatively speaking of course.
@@ArtIsRight Yeah, but I'm massively pleased with 1250 read/1485 write. Thats using the Prograde Thunderbolt reader :) It's quite a step up form XQD let alone any flavor of SD card !!
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Once you get the SSD capacity (no matter what type or protocol it uses) over 66% the performance is going down progressively as there is a slow down from the cache and TRIM to keep up with the swapping of bits. And it's worse for DDRAM-less type of storage (which is getting more and more dominante as a cost saving measure). It's depressing that some of us have to get the higher tier storage capacity to keep the original specs in check. With a very diligent and proactive nature you can keep the files cycling to and from the SSD once you've done with them if you can keep up your workflow of backing up and exporting
it all depends on the workflow.
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I have a M1 Mac mini and my T7 announced 1000mps are peaking at like 350 … anyone else got this issue ?
Are you using the C ports on the back and C to C cable that can handle that speed.
@@ArtIsRight Yes, of course. I've tested all the possible configurations, and there is no way I can reach more than 350mb/s on my M1 Mac Mini while connecting to a friend's M1 macbook pro, it effectively peaks at 850/900 meaning it's not a problem with the t7 unit.
Yeah not sure, I might create a separate partition / container and test to make sure it is not the OS.
M1 Mac Mini's thunberbolt ports (so are MBA M1) are known to have very lousy support with USB 3 devices and it's due to the design of the base M1 chip.
The USB 3.2 device can never get over 500MB/sec with their thunderbolt ports, or sometimes worse at 300ish.
Only work around is to get a thunderbolt hub (that fully supports USB 3.2 Gen 2 10Gb) or daisy chain with other thunderbolt devices. In my case, my main external thunderbolt drive allows daisy chain and I plug the T7 and other USB 3.2 device to the drive's port and I manage to get 705 read 720 write with the T7 and 820MB write and 905MB read with my DIY USB 3.2 drive
Ive just watched this now, right after ive already purchased an m.2 nvme gen 4 planning to replace my sata ssd. What a waste hahaha
Not necessary, you now have a drive that you can transfer files faster!
If you do serius vfx and or 3d animation anything lower than 7GB/sec is useless
good to know and this is for photos and video