Having 16GBytes of Video Ram certainly helps with scrubbing/editing my 6K footage. A fast NVMe PCIe drive as a cache/temp/scratch disk is a great help. An ordinary SSD for "C: + Apps" is fast enough, as your OS does not necessarily run faster on a NVMe. More RAM does help.
I am debating between a 4tb Sabrent Rocket 3.0 M.2 or a 4TB Seagate FireCuda 530 4TB 4.0 m.2 for my project drive/Dropbox Drive. (I am avoiding the Rocket 4 plus because of its lower endurance ratings). I have a 5950x., 64gb ram, and edit 4k TH-cam vids with B-Roll. In the video, he mentioned noticing slightly faster timeline responsiveness with the pci 4.0 m.2. I wonder if he would have seen this same result if he had a separate scratch disk. Could this advantage over the 3.0 be nullified by my using a fast pci 4.0 m.2 as a scratch disk? Puget systems recommends using a moderately fast SSD for the project disk (saying that a faster won't really make a difference) and a super fast SSD for the scratch disk. I am wondering if the 4.0 is worth the extra $250, or if it will give pretty much the exact same feel as the 3.0 (when using a fast scratch disk). Any thoughts? Thanks!
I've also noticed that when it comes to video editing. Havine RAM that is specificly stated as "supported" on the MOBO can make a big difference. I had 64gb 4000Mhz RAM which my Asus Dark Hero MOBO says it can support up to and beyond that amount. BUT, my ram was not "Specifically" mentioned in its supported ram. Which would cause Davinci Resovle to lock up after a few minutes. After getting 32gb 3600Mhz that is mentioned in the manual. I haven't had an issue. My issue was like having a friend that you got along with playing games, but try working on a project with them and they instantly through a fit.
You can tell he doesn't know anything about hardware ...he's basically clueless...he's reading of from either papers or a result instead doing his own analysis which he doesn't do. ....so sad.....
1 year later im using ur code for the windows keys and it even stacked w their current sale! so happy i found ur channel lately. its been so informative for an editor like myself who edits on his own built system.
Too much efford, thanks for all of that bro. Whenever i try to learn something about creator pc performances you just pop-up! You work so hard for all of us. Very appreciate you are here
Regarding Nvme drives' read/write speeds, I seem to recall reading a footnote, which basically states capacity affects its performance. In other words, as the drive fills up, speed decreases. Something to explore on another test of yours, perhaps? Great video. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you so much for this. I'm building a new editing station now but I was really having a hard time deciding on which drives to purchase since I didn't know how they would affect my timeline and rendering. This is also going to affect my motherboard choice with my budget constraints. Thank you so so much!
Hi Tech Notice, I do have: 1To SSD (with Win10 and everything on it) 2To SATA HDD (Not very used.) Q1-What is your suggestion to make my work with Davinci Resolve more efficient with only theses 2 storage? Q2-My budget is limited, how big of a boost in performance will I get if I buy another SSD? Specifications is one thing, but real life is THE thing! Thanks a lot for ALL your amazing techy video. I always thumbs up your video to show you the respect you deserve.
I might be a bit late to the party but is there any way for you to set up a blind test for yourself when it comes to "feeling" the difference between drives? Maybe you have a partner who can open up each project and then you get to say which drive feels faster/snappier/smoother?
That is a genius idea! Blind tests are the true tellers; no heart feels, it's only what the user perceives. I do them with audio set ups when I upgrade a component, and there are times where I surprise myself!
Question, when you compare the hdd vs ssd vs m2 etc. Does that also mean the footage HAS to be on that drive to use its power? Like if my footage is on an hdd but adobe on an ssd, will it mean i get hdd playback?
I really enjoy watching your videos. They are very technical and demonstrate professionalism. I would like to see a test like this at Davinci Resolve. Thanks
I currently have my OS on a M.2 Drive, and Premiere Cache on another M.2 with the projects and asset files being on a slower 200mb/s HDD. Would I notice a jump in performance if I bought another m.2 drive for the assets and projects, or would this be a marginal difference for the price.
The timeline contains mixed clips which is basically different gradient of load on drive which makes a bit off test but is actually real usecase. HDD to any SSD even to SATA is very huge difference. But, there seem to be not much difference on SATA to NVMe ones. All that matters is random speeds and response time. Though NVMe drives have good sequential speed, random speed are same but response time is faster than SATA ones. So, that could only make a little difference on SSD side.
Great video, thanks! I was wondering about it too and researched a lot, but you explain it so well and it’s way more fun to watch ;) Greetings from Berlin
thx for the comparison, I'm actually looking to find a good price/performance nvme for photo editing and exporting animation videos based on OpenGL. And, also the best nvme for using and loading VSTs in Cubase. For now, PCI 3.0 seems the best deal. take care!
Such a great video my friend!! I highly recommend to make a video about RAM in terms of creating different video qualities in Premier Pro, just don't include gaming since many yt channels did that. do we need 16gb, 32gb, 64gb? Such as rending 4k vids is enough to benchmark, so it wont consume much time for testing. And does it affect if we use 4 rams than 2 pairs of ram? Like 32gb (2x16) vs (4x8) THANKS!! Love from Philippines!
Actually, I would have expected you to include one of the Optane P 1600x series. Their 4k write times are still unmatched by PCIe 4.0 and 5.0. Would have been interesting to see them compare to those NAND-drives in workload scenarios.
the best review video of all the ssd and hhd comparison on youtube so far in regards to/for premiere pro. Really appreciate your Hardwork bro, Keep going on... thank you so much.
Nice video as always 👍 Could you make a vodeo about how you work with your black and white PC? You build in a 3.0 and a 4.0 storage drive, so it would be interesting to know what you store where. Thanks a lot!
I am from bangladesh and i can't find the western digital or sabrent here. I was thinking to go with samsung 980 pro for video editing. Is it a good choice?
To be fair, I'd never use a green drive for work data just archive. My current 12TB WD work drives have a read/write in the 250MB/sec range (2.5x faster than your green) but about to upgrade to 8TB 7.4/5.5GB/s in the mac studio.
Comparison side by side in every aspect possible is what we need. And the way he delivers saved us huge amount of time trying to figure out but don't have enough equipment and interested to do
Testing a NAS with proper RAID setup and 10Gbit connection (for video editing) could also be interesting to see in the near future! Especially if using SSD drives, not HDDs. Expensive, but not many channels have done videos about that :)
I would like to understand the best SSD combination (bang for buck) for premiere. I mean for OS & programs, active project and source media, scratch and cache... Does it is necesary to have 3 SSD NVMEs?
To distill all I've learned: HDD for storage only. Forget PCIE3.0. Choose between SATA SSD and PCIE4.0. If you can afford the latter, get it. If you can't SATA SSD is the next best value for money. PCIE3.0 for most applications isn't a good enough improvement on SATA SSD to warrant the price hike.
another brillant vlog my head is bursting with information i have started saveing all the vlogs for reference best tech info site clear to understand and like working with a friend
you need to take into account things like the absence or presence of DRAM and the amount of SLC cache the SSD's have etc. If the PCIe 3 drive has DRAM and a relatively large SLC cache, while the PCIe 4 drive either doesnt have DRAM at all or less than the PCIe 3 drive, and a smaller SLC cache, then that will obviously have a larger effect in import and export times than the bus interface they are using. They are running on 4 PCIe lanes, meaning that even in the sequential read speed test you did at the start, the PCIe 4 drive is just barely pulling speeds that are faster than PCIe 3 x 4. In "real life" usage such as importing and exporting several files in a Premiere project, it's not going to reach those speeds, meaning that the PCIe 4 drive is not even exhausting the speeds that PCIe 3 is capable of. So it is a bit odd that that is what you choose to focus on when that is nearly irrelevant in these scenarios, and other features like those mentioned above will have a much larger effect on performance
Do you know a website that shows all that data? I'm currently building for the first time and I'm struggling to find DRAM and especially SLC cache sizes.
@Be MySugarDaddy There is a list of drives that has a column for DRAM. Maybe do a search for "ssd with dram" and it'll probably pop up. The list is kinda long and has a lot of info. What I ended up doing was simply checking reviews on the big sites that you can search the reviews. Then search for "dram" and read whether or not folks say it has or doesn't. Can't go wrong with Samsung Pro's or WD Blacks.
@@ungoyone thanks. I went for a Kingston KC3000 512 GB for OS and maybe applications, a WD Black SN850X 2 TB for frequently used data and applications (I think it's overkill but I got it for 179€ with free shipping) and a WD Blue SN570 2TB for Back ups and data I don't need a lot. Have to look into partition but that's what I'm going to work with for now. The SN570 doesn't have dram but should be more than fast enough for its purpose.
3:16 - BTW Intel 11th gen CPUs and motherboards are already out, since 30th of March, you can at least buy those here where I live. Those have PCIe 4.0 and several Z590 chipset boards have 3 M.2 slots. Nice video once again!
This is the Best Comparison Video Ever! i am using normal hdd and i was guessing maybe my graphics card is not enough because i have i9 processor and my premier playback sucks so bad!! i guess now i know i have to use nvme ssds only while editing. normal hdds sucks.
Really appreciate your work and I love all your videos. Can you please make a video about which X570 motherboard brand is the best between Gigabyte, Asus, MSI and ASRock?
I currently have a PCIe 3.0 system drive (1TB WD SN750 SE) and a 1T Samsung T5 external ssd (~550 MB/s) as project, footage, and cache/scratch disc. Now I'm planning on buying a third drive to get the cache/scratch disc on their own drive, but I'm not sure what to get. Should I get a PCIe 3.0 or 4.0 drive as project/footage drive and use the T5 for cache/scratch disc? Or the other way around? I've also read that a drive with DRAM cache is important for the system drive, which the SN750 SE does not have, so another option would be to get a new system drive and use the SN750 SE as scratch drive. Any recommendations for my situation?
Hi Mr. Tech Notice thanks for the awesome video, do you have any recommendations for SSD housing? I assume it's possible to run these drive as externals yes?
Grabbed myself a Samsung 980 1tb (gen 3 drive) for £80 to put in my new build. It's currently available at that price on ccl computers for anyone looking to purchase one
Hello! I have an SSD 1TB and an HDD 2TB in my computer. I installed all programs in the SSD for better performance. But for the footage, is it ok to drop it into the HDD for the space and then import it into premiere? or is it better if i drop the footage in the ssd?
okay, there's something i don't understand, so i've been meaning to get an m.2 recently (gen 3 one) and i'm really confused about this whole premiere thing, like i get that i'll have my os and all the software on my m.2, but do the video files and projects have to be on that same m.2 for it to be faster in the timeline as well? Because i'm getting around 512gb i want to split that drive into 2 partitions and have around 256gb for my os and softwares and the rest for anything else and then store all my videos and projects on the hdd. If i need to have my videos and projects on the m.2 for it to be faster then i'll get a 1tb one and have like 600-700 gb for all of that then.
Thanks for doing this video. It's exactly the info I was looking for. Liked and subbed. I am a professional creator, and have a very similar build as yours in your video. I am debating between a 4tb Sabrent Rocket 3.0 M.2 or a Seagate FireCuda 530 4TB 4.0 m.2 for my project drive/Dropbox Drive. (I am avoiding the Rocket 4 plus because of it's lower endurance ratings). In the video, you mentioned noticing slightly faster timeline responsiveness with the pci 4.0 m.2. Could this advantage over the 3.0 be nullified either by ram (I have 64gb), or by using a fast pci 4.0 m.2 as a scratch disk? My understanding that the project drive where the video files are stored is only used by the editing software initially, and then those files are then temporarily stored in either ram or on your scratch disk? Am I correct in this? I want the best possible performance, but don't want to waste money on a pci 4.0 when a pci 3.0 will give the same result. Any thoughts? Thanks again!
Could you explain better how your system is organized ? Your OS is installed on the C: drive which is what ? A sata SSD ? Your Adobe Premiere is always installed on a PCI 4.0 drive ? Your Scratch disk and Media Cache files are installed where ? I always known that it´s good to have a separated drive for the media cache. By making my personal tests, I noticed that it´s not good the media files be located on the same drive where the media cache file and database are located. There´s a lag. The best option for me for now is when Adobe Premiere Pro is installed on the C: drive along with the system, media files are on a second drive, media cache and scratch are on a third drive. As I don´t have so many SSDs, probably it would still be better if I could install Adobe Premiere on a separated drive from the system, i.e, perhaps, one drive for Premiere, another for the media files, and another for media cache and scratch and database. My motherboard doesn´t support so many high speed SSDs. Probably I´ll have to purchase on of those PCIe boards which supports at least 2 PCIe SSDs.
Good video. It would be interesting to run the same tests using a small NVMe set up as the Adobe Cache drive. You didn't really go into much detail on how you have your computer set-up. Is the OS, Apps, Cache and Media all on the test drive?
I just bought a 970 EVO PLUS 1TB M.2 NVME SSD with 3500MB read speed and 3300 write speed, but I also have a 3090 Ti and 5950X, I want to use my PC for 3D modelling. Will my SSD bottleneck? 😔😩🤦♂️
Thanks a lot man, editing with my hdd is a pain in the ass, i dont really like editing more because its too slow but tomorrow ill buy a ssd i hope my passion to edit returns when i get the ssd m2 thanks a lot man, you are the only one who has this video thanks a lot:)))
Great information in this video. I am about to build my first computer and I was wondering would you invest in fast memory and a good CPU over the top of the line GPU. I do mainly graphic design and photo editing and just a tiny bit of 4k video editing
Also when is it time to replace an SSD My WD 512GB NVMe PCIe SSD is at 88% life left and about 56% full. It is my C:\ Drive and the Original 1TB HDD is the D:\ Drive. 2 questions is the drives 12% un usable now & is the 56% usage of the ORIGINAL 512 GB or the 88% remaining?Also What happens if I clone the new SSD from the old SSD at it's reduced size. I would hate to have to do a clean install of the OS and hope I can put all my Programs and Files for 3 years of Video editing with Davinci Resolve ack and expect it to work properly. PLZ explaine how the MBW megabytes Written affects the capacity and Recoverability of DATA on an OLD SSD.
u should try comparison of transfering files to other drives that will see which one is more effective. by opening premier is about CPU and RAM nothing to do with SSD
sorry for the unrelated question, But I was afraid of keeping Raid0 on two 970 500gb for my system and many people told me it is not worth the damage long term to the ssd. Is is true and I should keep it or switch back to raid 0? and will it really speed up my system and work flow with video editing?
How does premier response from ssd pci 3.0 over 4.0 ? because amd is now pci3.0 and intel 4.0 but want to make a amd system is it good enough for 3 years editing and no upgrades (32gbddr4 2tb 5700g 2070 and possible nvme ) because of the intergrade gpu and price difference small budget
Does any one can help me with this problem: When I am in a project/sequence and I wanna watch my clips as a preview it is lagging. Also sometimes after rendering my timeline and playing it again the green line goes to red again. Also while editing on the timeline it is slow with showing some parts of the timeline for example when I go from the middle of the clip to the end its stays in the middle and I have to wait 10 sec sometimes to see the end. I have a ssd as my main drive and a hdd as a second drive. Also I have a samsung T7 shield ssd, but I am not sure where the problem is
Nice Video. I currently have HP Z240 (Zeon Processor) with Sabrent NVMe PCIe (Gen 3). Will I see significant speed if I upgraded to Gen 4 SSD with Ryzen 5? I only do browsing/office work and casually some video editing.
my editing software has been so laggy and now i realize it could be the drive i never even thought of that. I always thought it was the cpu but I think the drive would make more sense cause my drive isn't very good
Should you show the CPU load when you're scrubbing through footage to see if the CPU is maxed out? That way you can see if the CPU is the bottle neck. I know when I'm editing/grading h264/265 the CPU is the first to load up and cause a bottle neck. I have an Ryzen 9 and NVMe drives.
Great Video just wondered if you could do a video on mix and match like all M.2 for editing and exporting video files vs M.2 for the gunt work, and then use standard SATA drives for output of video. So we can see if you can save a lot of money by being selective on what types of drives we used. Of course, we would always use M.2/SSD of cache files/scratch drives. Bang for buck or pound in your case :)
I work on Adobe Premiere Pro everyday to edit my videos but I'm still using a HDD. I needed this video to make sure if I needed a nvme ssd to make video editing faster. Thanks so much for detailed explanation. Can you please tell me the difference in active time(in task manager) of HDD vs SDD while converting a video or importing/exporting. The 2nd monitor wasn't clearly visible. I have an i7 8700K CPU with 1070Ti + 8GB RAM
so i have a lenovo legion 5 pro ( 2020 ) rtx 2060, ive just bought a samsung 870 evo sata SSD and Samsung 980 pro nvme ( yes i cant use 4th gen speeds on the legion, but i plan on keeping it and installing it in a future laptop that supports 4th gen speeds) my question is, i plan on doing 4k editing using premiere pro, should i use the 980 pro as my main drive, OS installed etc, or use the 870 evo as my main drive, and use the 980 to install premiere pro on and any other software, plus games? im afraid of using the 980 pro as my OS drive as i know nvme's heat up a lot quicker than typical sata ssd's, can anyone recommend what i should do?
Having 16GBytes of Video Ram certainly helps with scrubbing/editing my 6K footage. A fast NVMe PCIe drive as a cache/temp/scratch disk is a great help. An ordinary SSD for "C: + Apps" is fast enough, as your OS does not necessarily run faster on a NVMe. More RAM does help.
I am debating between a 4tb Sabrent Rocket 3.0 M.2 or a 4TB Seagate FireCuda 530 4TB 4.0 m.2 for my project drive/Dropbox Drive. (I am avoiding the Rocket 4 plus because of its lower endurance ratings). I have a 5950x., 64gb ram, and edit 4k TH-cam vids with B-Roll. In the video, he mentioned noticing slightly faster timeline responsiveness with the pci 4.0 m.2. I wonder if he would have seen this same result if he had a separate scratch disk. Could this advantage over the 3.0 be nullified by my using a fast pci 4.0 m.2 as a scratch disk? Puget systems recommends using a moderately fast SSD for the project disk (saying that a faster won't really make a difference) and a super fast SSD for the scratch disk. I am wondering if the 4.0 is worth the extra $250, or if it will give pretty much the exact same feel as the 3.0 (when using a fast scratch disk). Any thoughts? Thanks!
I've also noticed that when it comes to video editing. Havine RAM that is specificly stated as "supported" on the MOBO can make a big difference. I had 64gb 4000Mhz RAM which my Asus Dark Hero MOBO says it can support up to and beyond that amount. BUT, my ram was not "Specifically" mentioned in its supported ram. Which would cause Davinci Resovle to lock up after a few minutes. After getting 32gb 3600Mhz that is mentioned in the manual. I haven't had an issue. My issue was like having a friend that you got along with playing games, but try working on a project with them and they instantly through a fit.
@@HopeProphecy get the 4.0 one
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From my own analysis... youtube really favour US TH-camr. Thats why people opt for tiktok. Easier to get follower globally
It is.
You can tell he doesn't know anything about hardware ...he's basically clueless...he's reading of from either papers or a result instead doing his own analysis which he doesn't do. ....so sad.....
1 year later im using ur code for the windows keys and it even stacked w their current sale! so happy i found ur channel lately. its been so informative for an editor like myself who edits on his own built system.
Too much efford, thanks for all of that bro. Whenever i try to learn something about creator pc performances you just pop-up! You work so hard for all of us. Very appreciate you are here
You're putting a lot of effort to make these types of videos. Really appreciate your Hardwork brother!!! Keep going on!!!
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Regarding Nvme drives' read/write speeds, I seem to recall reading a footnote, which basically states capacity affects its performance. In other words, as the drive fills up, speed decreases. Something to explore on another test of yours, perhaps? Great video. Thanks for sharing!
Good point and idea! :)
This is why samsung drive more expensive the performance will not drop except above 80% filled
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Thank you so much for this. I'm building a new editing station now but I was really having a hard time deciding on which drives to purchase since I didn't know how they would affect my timeline and rendering. This is also going to affect my motherboard choice with my budget constraints. Thank you so so much!
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I appreciate this investigative type of video. I will love it on a Davinci Resolve use case even more.
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Hi Tech Notice,
I do have:
1To SSD (with Win10 and everything on it)
2To SATA HDD (Not very used.)
Q1-What is your suggestion to make my work with Davinci Resolve more efficient with only theses 2 storage?
Q2-My budget is limited, how big of a boost in performance will I get if I buy another SSD?
Specifications is one thing, but real life is THE thing!
Thanks a lot for ALL your amazing techy video.
I always thumbs up your video to show you the respect you deserve.
Great video! What ideal scratch disk-project drive-OS drive config do you recommend for someone who has an NVMe 4.0, and Sata drives?
I think I mentioned some in the end of the video. 🤔😇
I might be a bit late to the party but is there any way for you to set up a blind test for yourself when it comes to "feeling" the difference between drives? Maybe you have a partner who can open up each project and then you get to say which drive feels faster/snappier/smoother?
That is a genius idea! Blind tests are the true tellers; no heart feels, it's only what the user perceives. I do them with audio set ups when I upgrade a component, and there are times where I surprise myself!
Question, when you compare the hdd vs ssd vs m2 etc. Does that also mean the footage HAS to be on that drive to use its power? Like if my footage is on an hdd but adobe on an ssd, will it mean i get hdd playback?
i want to know this too
I really enjoy watching your videos. They are very technical and demonstrate professionalism. I would like to see a test like this at Davinci Resolve. Thanks
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Excellent and crisp presentation.
I have disconnected all hard drives and gone to SATAs.
My new NUC (cheaper version) has limited slots.
I currently have my OS on a M.2 Drive, and Premiere Cache on another M.2 with the projects and asset files being on a slower 200mb/s HDD. Would I notice a jump in performance if I bought another m.2 drive for the assets and projects, or would this be a marginal difference for the price.
The timeline contains mixed clips which is basically different gradient of load on drive which makes a bit off test but is actually real usecase.
HDD to any SSD even to SATA is very huge difference. But, there seem to be not much difference on SATA to NVMe ones. All that matters is random speeds and response time. Though NVMe drives have good sequential speed, random speed are same but response time is faster than SATA ones. So, that could only make a little difference on SSD side.
Great video, thanks! I was wondering about it too and researched a lot, but you explain it so well and it’s way more fun to watch ;) Greetings from Berlin
Thanks James!
thx for the comparison, I'm actually looking to find a good price/performance nvme for photo editing and exporting animation videos based on OpenGL. And, also the best nvme for using and loading VSTs in Cubase. For now, PCI 3.0 seems the best deal. take care!
You have videos for all important computer things for pc parts and workflow smoothness!
Such a great video my friend!!
I highly recommend to make a video about RAM in terms of creating different video qualities in Premier Pro, just don't include gaming since many yt channels did that.
do we need 16gb, 32gb, 64gb? Such as rending 4k vids is enough to benchmark, so it wont consume much time for testing.
And does it affect if we use 4 rams than 2 pairs of ram? Like 32gb (2x16) vs (4x8) THANKS!! Love from Philippines!
Thanks, and great idea! ;)
@@theTechNotice Lets go my friend!! So i won't breaking my wallet for the ram hehehe 😁😁
quality content. love this! so much input i got from your channel.
Thanks! :)
Actually, I would have expected you to include one of the Optane P 1600x series. Their 4k write times are still unmatched by PCIe 4.0 and 5.0. Would have been interesting to see them compare to those NAND-drives in workload scenarios.
the best review video of all the ssd and hhd comparison on youtube so far in regards to/for premiere pro. Really appreciate your Hardwork bro, Keep going on... thank you so much.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Time for Gen 5 drive testing.
Nice video as always 👍 Could you make a vodeo about how you work with your black and white PC? You build in a 3.0 and a 4.0 storage drive, so it would be interesting to know what you store where. Thanks a lot!
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I am from bangladesh and i can't find the western digital or sabrent here. I was thinking to go with samsung 980 pro for video editing. Is it a good choice?
To be fair, I'd never use a green drive for work data just archive. My current 12TB WD work drives have a read/write in the 250MB/sec range (2.5x faster than your green) but about to upgrade to 8TB 7.4/5.5GB/s in the mac studio.
OS = sata3, temp drive for video = NVME :) HD to dump RAW footage. That is how I use it.
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Comparison side by side in every aspect possible is what we need. And the way he delivers saved us huge amount of time trying to figure out but don't have enough equipment and interested to do
Testing a NAS with proper RAID setup and 10Gbit connection (for video editing) could also be interesting to see in the near future! Especially if using SSD drives, not HDDs. Expensive, but not many channels have done videos about that :)
Great idea! 👍
Makes sense, but anyway NASwill be slower even than sata ssd, especially in rendering.
@@govideo3631 that’s good to know, nobody really say anything about this part of NAS
4k video scrubbing with 64-128gb ram. i7 12700 12th gen super snappy. m2 for OS. m2 for Media. M2 for temp folder. 1TB for Archives
Man atlast real stuff
Good comparison
Hoping for more imformative video like this
Great info. Thanks for the effort. BTW, what benq monitor are you using?
I would like to understand the best SSD combination (bang for buck) for premiere. I mean for OS & programs, active project and source media, scratch and cache... Does it is necesary to have 3 SSD NVMEs?
Check out my video on Pro Storage Workflow :)
To distill all I've learned: HDD for storage only. Forget PCIE3.0. Choose between SATA SSD and PCIE4.0. If you can afford the latter, get it. If you can't SATA SSD is the next best value for money.
PCIE3.0 for most applications isn't a good enough improvement on SATA SSD to warrant the price hike.
NVMe DRAM Cache size worth mentioning!
another brillant vlog my head is bursting with information i have started saveing all the vlogs for reference best tech info site clear to understand and like working with a friend
To be clear, you tested these with the drives internally installed right? Not externally with cables?
I'm currently editing on an I7 4770k and will be upgrading to the AMD Ryzen 9 5950X :). I'm finding your videos very useful - Subbed :)
Glad I could help!
you need to take into account things like the absence or presence of DRAM and the amount of SLC cache the SSD's have etc. If the PCIe 3 drive has DRAM and a relatively large SLC cache, while the PCIe 4 drive either doesnt have DRAM at all or less than the PCIe 3 drive, and a smaller SLC cache, then that will obviously have a larger effect in import and export times than the bus interface they are using.
They are running on 4 PCIe lanes, meaning that even in the sequential read speed test you did at the start, the PCIe 4 drive is just barely pulling speeds that are faster than PCIe 3 x 4. In "real life" usage such as importing and exporting several files in a Premiere project, it's not going to reach those speeds, meaning that the PCIe 4 drive is not even exhausting the speeds that PCIe 3 is capable of. So it is a bit odd that that is what you choose to focus on when that is nearly irrelevant in these scenarios, and other features like those mentioned above will have a much larger effect on performance
Do you know a website that shows all that data? I'm currently building for the first time and I'm struggling to find DRAM and especially SLC cache sizes.
@Be MySugarDaddy There is a list of drives that has a column for DRAM. Maybe do a search for "ssd with dram" and it'll probably pop up. The list is kinda long and has a lot of info.
What I ended up doing was simply checking reviews on the big sites that you can search the reviews. Then search for "dram" and read whether or not folks say it has or doesn't. Can't go wrong with Samsung Pro's or WD Blacks.
@@ungoyone thanks. I went for a Kingston KC3000 512 GB for OS and maybe applications, a WD Black SN850X 2 TB for frequently used data and applications (I think it's overkill but I got it for 179€ with free shipping) and a WD Blue SN570 2TB for Back ups and data I don't need a lot. Have to look into partition but that's what I'm going to work with for now. The SN570 doesn't have dram but should be more than fast enough for its purpose.
All of the SSDs shown here have DRAM cache.
thanks for sharing man, this is one that I was looking for. appreciate your hard work. keep it up.
Glad I could help!
3:16 - BTW Intel 11th gen CPUs and motherboards are already out, since 30th of March, you can at least buy those here where I live. Those have PCIe 4.0 and several Z590 chipset boards have 3 M.2 slots. Nice video once again!
Yes, that's right! :)
Is there an update to this video? I am really curious if Gen 4 NVMEs have a big difference in export times in newer Premiere versions. Thanks!
This is the Best Comparison Video Ever! i am using normal hdd and i was guessing maybe my graphics card is not enough because i have i9 processor and my premier playback sucks so bad!! i guess now i know i have to use nvme ssds only while editing. normal hdds sucks.
Really appreciate your work and I love all your videos. Can you please make a video about which X570 motherboard brand is the best between Gigabyte, Asus, MSI and ASRock?
Thanks! They're all good depends what you like :)
I currently have a PCIe 3.0 system drive (1TB WD SN750 SE) and a 1T Samsung T5 external ssd (~550 MB/s) as project, footage, and cache/scratch disc. Now I'm planning on buying a third drive to get the cache/scratch disc on their own drive, but I'm not sure what to get.
Should I get a PCIe 3.0 or 4.0 drive as project/footage drive and use the T5 for cache/scratch disc? Or the other way around? I've also read that a drive with DRAM cache is important for the system drive, which the SN750 SE does not have, so another option would be to get a new system drive and use the SN750 SE as scratch drive. Any recommendations for my situation?
RAID 0 with say 6x SSD Sata for now it will be cheaper, have more space say 4Tb hard drives *6 = 24 TB and have very similar speeds, right?
Hi Mr. Tech Notice thanks for the awesome video, do you have any recommendations for SSD housing? I assume it's possible to run these drive as externals yes?
What about a cache? I've heard that a 3.0 with a good cache is better than a 4.0 without, but I haven't seen test results.
Grabbed myself a Samsung 980 1tb (gen 3 drive) for £80 to put in my new build. It's currently available at that price on ccl computers for anyone looking to purchase one
I hope there's an after effects test of this. your channel is super cool
Excellent review! Really enjoyed it the real time performance differences.
Hello! I have an SSD 1TB and an HDD 2TB in my computer. I installed all programs in the SSD for better performance. But for the footage, is it ok to drop it into the HDD for the space and then import it into premiere? or is it better if i drop the footage in the ssd?
okay, there's something i don't understand, so i've been meaning to get an m.2 recently (gen 3 one) and i'm really confused about this whole premiere thing, like i get that i'll have my os and all the software on my m.2, but do the video files and projects have to be on that same m.2 for it to be faster in the timeline as well?
Because i'm getting around 512gb i want to split that drive into 2 partitions and have around 256gb for my os and softwares and the rest for anything else and then store all my videos and projects on the hdd.
If i need to have my videos and projects on the m.2 for it to be faster then i'll get a 1tb one and have like 600-700 gb for all of that then.
Nice video. Check out the hynix p31 gold drives. Excellent price to performance.
Fabulous man! Thanks for this.
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Thanks for doing this video. It's exactly the info I was looking for. Liked and subbed. I am a professional creator, and have a very similar build as yours in your video. I am debating between a 4tb Sabrent Rocket 3.0 M.2 or a Seagate FireCuda 530 4TB 4.0 m.2 for my project drive/Dropbox Drive. (I am avoiding the Rocket 4 plus because of it's lower endurance ratings). In the video, you mentioned noticing slightly faster timeline responsiveness with the pci 4.0 m.2. Could this advantage over the 3.0 be nullified either by ram (I have 64gb), or by using a fast pci 4.0 m.2 as a scratch disk? My understanding that the project drive where the video files are stored is only used by the editing software initially, and then those files are then temporarily stored in either ram or on your scratch disk? Am I correct in this? I want the best possible performance, but don't want to waste money on a pci 4.0 when a pci 3.0 will give the same result. Any thoughts? Thanks again!
get 970 evo Plus 2tb
Did you clean the Premiere Pro Cache-files and RAM between the tests?
Could you explain better how your system is organized ? Your OS is installed on the C: drive which is what ? A sata SSD ? Your Adobe Premiere is always installed on a PCI 4.0 drive ? Your Scratch disk and Media Cache files are installed where ? I always known that it´s good to have a separated drive for the media cache. By making my personal tests, I noticed that it´s not good the media files be located on the same drive where the media cache file and database are located. There´s a lag. The best option for me for now is when Adobe Premiere Pro is installed on the C: drive along with the system, media files are on a second drive, media cache and scratch are on a third drive. As I don´t have so many SSDs, probably it would still be better if I could install Adobe Premiere on a separated drive from the system, i.e, perhaps, one drive for Premiere, another for the media files, and another for media cache and scratch and database. My motherboard doesn´t support so many high speed SSDs. Probably I´ll have to purchase on of those PCIe boards which supports at least 2 PCIe SSDs.
Good video. It would be interesting to run the same tests using a small NVMe set up as the Adobe Cache drive. You didn't really go into much detail on how you have your computer set-up. Is the OS, Apps, Cache and Media all on the test drive?
The OS is separate all the rest is on the Test Drive :)
@@theTechNotice Good to hear that, I too had the same doubt
@@theTechNotice finally you are not holding puget systems sheets and saying some random stuff
Thanks, I always assumed it didn't matter. I switched to editing from an NVME Samsung 980 and it's much faster to scrub
I just bought a 970 EVO PLUS 1TB M.2 NVME SSD with 3500MB read speed and 3300 write speed, but I also have a 3090 Ti and 5950X, I want to use my PC for 3D modelling. Will my SSD bottleneck? 😔😩🤦♂️
New subscriber! Your channel is underrated! Do you notice a difference when working with the project files and footage on another SSD nvme m2?
Thanks a lot man, editing with my hdd is a pain in the ass, i dont really like editing more because its too slow but tomorrow ill buy a ssd i hope my passion to edit returns when i get the ssd m2 thanks a lot man, you are the only one who has this video thanks a lot:)))
I'm glad I could help!
are you getting the gen 3 or gen 4?
@@NetSkillNavigator i bought a gen 3, my pc only accepts gen 3
Great test, thank you!
Excellent video. Thank you! What do you think of using multiple NVME for premiere pro?
Great information in this video. I am about to build my first computer and I was wondering would you invest in fast memory and a good CPU over the top of the line GPU. I do mainly graphic design and photo editing and just a tiny bit of 4k video editing
Yes!
@@theTechNotice so something like and rtx 1660ti and a ryzen 5 5600x would be a good place to start?
Yes, for sure! :)
Great video!!! Thank you!!
Love the video. Cheers
Also when is it time to replace an SSD My WD 512GB NVMe PCIe SSD is at 88% life left and about 56% full. It is my C:\ Drive and the Original 1TB HDD is the D:\ Drive. 2 questions is the drives 12% un usable now & is the 56% usage of the ORIGINAL 512 GB or the 88% remaining?Also What happens if I clone the new SSD from the old SSD at it's reduced size. I would hate to have to do a clean install of the OS and hope I can put all my Programs and Files for 3 years of Video editing with Davinci Resolve ack and expect it to work properly.
PLZ explaine how the MBW megabytes Written affects the capacity and Recoverability of DATA on an OLD SSD.
u should try comparison of transfering files to other drives that will see which one is more effective. by opening premier is about CPU and RAM nothing to do with SSD
Should do an AE ram preview test.
ITs a toss up TBW or brute speed... IF you were working with lots of data writing and deleting, I;d look at the high TBW rathr than just speed.
Gen 4 does feel slightly snappier at times.
i thought my monitor was wicked dirty for a second. then i realized it was just the table. damn you 4k
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Wich one does boot the fast starting up a PC??????i mean only BIOS plus Windows.
It would make more sense to use a WD Black 7200 HD instead of a WD Green 5400 HD... the Green is not a performance drive.
id love to know the disk speeds of the two internal ssd's
Does temperatures affect the speed or Longevity?
this list of other PCIe4xgen4 reaches 7GB/s :
SAMSUNG 980 PRO
GIGABYTE AORUS Gen4 7000s
Corsair MP600 Pro
sorry for the unrelated question, But I was afraid of keeping Raid0 on two 970 500gb for my system and many people told me it is not worth the damage long term to the ssd. Is is true and I should keep it or switch back to raid 0? and will it really speed up my system and work flow with video editing?
This is gold! Very helpfull, thank you
How does premier response from ssd pci 3.0 over 4.0 ? because amd is now pci3.0 and intel 4.0 but want to make a amd system is it good enough for 3 years editing and no upgrades (32gbddr4 2tb 5700g 2070 and possible nvme ) because of the intergrade gpu and price difference small budget
this video is god damn helpful
thanks for putting much effort on this test
Thanks Kyle, clad it was helpful! :)
love this vid thank you so much!
Does any one can help me with this problem: When I am in a project/sequence and I wanna watch my clips as a preview it is lagging. Also sometimes after rendering my timeline and playing it again the green line goes to red again. Also while editing on the timeline it is slow with showing some parts of the timeline for example when I go from the middle of the clip to the end its stays in the middle and I have to wait 10 sec sometimes to see the end.
I have a ssd as my main drive and a hdd as a second drive. Also I have a samsung T7 shield ssd, but I am not sure where the problem is
Should I got with a gen4 nvme even though my motherboard supports gen3?
Nice Video. I currently have HP Z240 (Zeon Processor) with Sabrent NVMe PCIe (Gen 3). Will I see significant speed if I upgraded to Gen 4 SSD with Ryzen 5? I only do browsing/office work and casually some video editing.
I doubt it. Depends how old is the Xeon?
@@theTechNotice 4 years old and the SSD is new Sabrent 2 TB
great video and great job man
my editing software has been so laggy and now i realize it could be the drive i never even thought of that. I always thought it was the cpu but I think the drive would make more sense cause my drive isn't very good
Thanks for your extra efforts. 🙂
Should you show the CPU load when you're scrubbing through footage to see if the CPU is maxed out?
That way you can see if the CPU is the bottle neck.
I know when I'm editing/grading h264/265 the CPU is the first to load up and cause a bottle neck.
I have an Ryzen 9 and NVMe drives.
This was awesome, thank you. You saved me $$$
Great Video just wondered if you could do a video on mix and match like all M.2 for editing and exporting video files vs M.2 for the gunt work, and then use standard SATA drives for output of video. So we can see if you can save a lot of money by being selective on what types of drives we used. Of course, we would always use M.2/SSD of cache files/scratch drives. Bang for buck or pound in your case :)
Great idea :)
@@theTechNotice I would love to see the results in one of your videos. Keep up the great work mate!
How about 1tb vs 500gb capacity ?
That matter ??
I work on Adobe Premiere Pro everyday to edit my videos but I'm still using a HDD. I needed this video to make sure if I needed a nvme ssd to make video editing faster. Thanks so much for detailed explanation. Can you please tell me the difference in active time(in task manager) of HDD vs SDD while converting a video or importing/exporting. The 2nd monitor wasn't clearly visible. I have an i7 8700K CPU with 1070Ti + 8GB RAM
The true is that it doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is the performance. You need more RAM too.
so i have a lenovo legion 5 pro ( 2020 ) rtx 2060, ive just bought a samsung 870 evo sata SSD and Samsung 980 pro nvme ( yes i cant use 4th gen speeds on the legion, but i plan on keeping it and installing it in a future laptop that supports 4th gen speeds) my question is, i plan on doing 4k editing using premiere pro, should i use the 980 pro as my main drive, OS installed etc, or use the 870 evo as my main drive, and use the 980 to install premiere pro on and any other software, plus games? im afraid of using the 980 pro as my OS drive as i know nvme's heat up a lot quicker than typical sata ssd's, can anyone recommend what i should do?
nice information and so good presentation and nice compare
great. thanks for the video!
Thanks brother for saving my hard earn money. Love you❤️