SALT REMOVER DEBUNKED (Outboard Motor flushing solutions)
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DAVE, Thank you for all of these R & D's and experimentations! I've probably watched almost all of your videos and you are truly a wealth of knowledge.. From fishing videos, tackle junkie tidbits, to motor maintenance, you cover it all and are very passionate about what you do! Its a blessing having and old timer like yourself shed some wisdom, but not afraid to try new things. I fish everywhere from Nassau sound to Matanzas inlet and have personally used many of your tactics. CC'MON!
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if you're a wet dish rag, you won't last in the charter biz for 26 yrs. and beyond. I have the need to know, so I jus' pass it on.
What I have found that works is removing the thermostat and pouring a few gallons of of very hot, not boiling water down through housing. The salt dissolves fairly quickly. I have not inspected anodes after doing so but at my last 100hour service all of my internal anodes were in good shape.
good tip, wasn't that difficult. I just didn't want to destroy them. because I didn't have any new ones, just tested and refurbished, hahahaha
Really interesting. I run my motor on fresh, VERY HARD water in a local lake here. Salt aint the problem for me - its lime and its a pain. I pulled the anodes at 50 hours and was quite surprised. I use the same stuff local diary farmers here use to descale their milking machines. Good value and works well. Thanks for the video.
thanks dave really enjoyed the video just got my new pair custom 21 delivered i chose the 200 suzuki you made my decision easy suzuki seems to hold up good in youre charter business
this ain't shit!!!!! but people think this stuff is magic....magically sucking your wallet dry. I had a 23 May-Craft, basically same hull as a SeaOx....(now Pair). Now, I want that MONSTER 27' May-Craft C.C.! 📌WATCH MY SUZUKI MAINTENANCE VIDS ON MY BOAT PLAYLIST HERE: th-cam.com/play/PLK-ee3q-bFR2KPb2cDapcVKEbkUjsWyJM.html IT WILL BEHOVE YOU BIG TIME IF IT'S YOUR FIRST ZUKI. And do N-O-T FLUSH THE MOTOR WITH THOSE FLUSHING PORTS...'' you'll see why, if you explore this playlist, AND if you run in any dirty, tannin, muddy, saltwater. Like I do here in Jacksonville, ''bazzaro world'' Florida.
Great video Capt. Dave. The next time I pull my anodes, I'm gonna have my electric tea pot handy and remove the rubber seals and boil the the anodes to remove the salt. I'll let you know how it goes. Capt. Ray, aka Fishnmagician
just soak in some rydlyme, it cleans them so EZ. RIGHT NOW THIS MINUTE, I'M DOING A 2ND VIDEO OF THE WATER PRESSURE VALVE CHANGE. Yippeeee!
Thanks Captain!!
the deposit is not salt. It is the breakdown of your zinc and zinc oxides . Clean it and put some salt on it and do the same test. Plus dilute it as stated on bottle . Sorry buyt not a test.
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@@CaptDavesSportfishing Blondestrainger is absolutely correct. The less noble zinc anodes are there to protect your aluminum block from galvanic corrosion by giving up their electrons to protect the aluminum which causes the zincs to oxidize. The white salt like powder that you're seeing is zinc OXIDE and NOT salt, that is why your salt away test does nothing. You need to correct your misleading conclusion of your experiment. Please try repeating the experiment with table or sea salt in the same salt away solution and see what happens.
@@rickgalat3162 disagree....just use some rydlyme a few times a year. its far superior and no pipe dreams, just CLEAN.
Very interesting prospective sir. You have my attention.
SALT, can't live with it can't live without it. A revealing look into a moderately expensive chemical preparation that doesn't work so well in the wolf den R&D lab. Great follow up on the last vid. I may have to send you a white lab coat Capt Dave, as always thank you for sharing.
yep, me and my real world PHD. (aka piled higher & deeper)
@@CaptDavesSportfishing You can bet your anode on that!!
@@orowock1 C'MON🍺🍺
A lot of what you see on your ZINC anodes is ZINC OXIDE. The zinc is supposed to corrode, as part of a chemical reaction called electrolysis. Because the zinc is attached to the metal of your engine, it corrodes instead of the aluminum and steel of your engine.
So something like CLR or Lime Rid will remove the crusty stuff (zinc oxide), which is essentially rusted zinc.
Salts Gone doesn’t remove rusted zinc.
You're awesome brother
it seems to work on a slight salt film, such as salt spray on your t-top and such, is al I have found so far.
The only additive i used on my outboard was dish soap mixed in the water when I first got it, I do the hose adapter as soon as I get home from day out in the ocean, then the next day inside the tub with just water, today I took out my thermostat and it looks very clean.
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Good stuff
What a lot of these,(salt away) tests are confusing is actual salt with aluminum oxide deposits. If you take a handful of rock salt and drop it in a bucket of water it will dissolve without the addition of any other chemicals, however aluminum oxide, which resembles salt, dry white powdery substance, is the product of aluminum metal of the engine reacting with the saltwater will not dissolve in water. So the claim that the flush solution removes salt may be perfectly true, but it will not be able to affect the oxide corrosion. that's why most engines have anodes which should be maintained, and routinely cleaned so they will corrode instead of the water jackets, and heads.
I think what the white buildup is is calcium and magnesium. Lime scale. thats why rydlime works and salt remover don't ......its not salt.
Of all the retribution I have received over these videos the comments where people are just bashing the hell out of what I was saying all I know is what you said seems to make perfect sense. My take from all of it is do your maintenance. If not hey now or pay later it's just that simple!!!
Amen to that...flush with fresh water after every saltwater use immediately, and remove anodes annually, and replace as necessary.
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That anode is going back in only a little cleaner than when it came out. Why wasn't it subjected to a quick scrub prior to reinserting it?
If you've been running in the St Johns, there's a lot of calcium in that water. Boil some in a pan then test dissolving the "salt" left over with RydLime, Saltoff and vineagar. Saltoff probably won't do much.
Like others said, the inside of your water jacket is clean because of the anodes.
its clean because I FLUSH UP TO TEMP! while motor is still hot. In a barrel. ALSO keeps my FUEL COOLER CLEAN! which I had CLOG, when using the motor flushing ports for 4 yrs. I didn't fall off the apple tree yesterday dude. I show you all this because I have experienced many things. and with trial and error I know what works. I run my boat in a tannin salty dirty River
It would have been interesting to see a before and after view of the anode. It would also be interesting to know if West Marine's SALT OFF works better (or worse) than the SALT AWAY product.
it's all the same thing man. you think West Marine has a big manufacturing facility?
nope! I just got done descaling my Suzuki 250 with West Marine descaler. and it worked just fine. they don't have a a lab making descaler either.
Friend ran a hiway maintenance district in Missouri, where they use salt and brime on the roads. They use a salt neutralizer on all the equipment after every snow/ice event. Says it makes 100% difference in the corrosion of metal compared to years before when it wasn't available
Myself, I don't use a barrel. Figure what the water flushes out of the motor is just going back through it over and over. I've a 100 foot hose-black-I leave in the Florida sun. The water can get hotter than a house waterheater produces. Using 'muffs' I run that through then allow cold to flush behind it. If the discharge water runs off the drive into the grass, it dies.
I have low water pick ups also, so using muffs doesn't work right. Reason I use the barrel, and inside my water jacket is as clean as all hell. Not wasting $ using that stuff, warm water flushes just fine.
Try it with diluted solution as recommended, it's a chemical reaction after all and more concentrated doesn't mean better....
That’s not necessarily salt on your anode. It’s calcium. The salt off makes the salt inert. The rid Lyme is eating the calcium buildup.
it did zero...
What about the vinegar flush? I’ve always ran about 6 gallons of vinegar per tub with several squirts of Dawn thru my Yamaha 50hp 2 stroke every 3-4 months and regular fresh water flush after each trip. Fishing Indian river, (mostly salt water).
At least you're proactive! a real cleaning out: .'''''WATCH THIS''' RYDLYME CLEAN OUT A OUTBOARD th-cam.com/video/jQRPVEELjAo/w-d-xo.html
As salt is water soluble I have only ever used fresh water for flushing. I don’t know if the engine manufactures endorse the use of chemicals but I wonder if they may do more harm than good.
you're a hundred percent correct
Born Again Boating brought me here and I am curious on how effective salt away is in long term use? Thx captain Dave!
WELL, it doesnt look like it worked for me here. But Rydlyme sure did. WARM flushing water is cheaper and does the same for me. thanks for visiting.
I have had my jet ski customers use saltaway for years and for them it works.his neighbor has the same machine and never used saltaway but flushed his ski with hot water from his hot water heater and has gone thru two exhaust manifolds
great video , flushing thru with fresh water before the salt has a chance to dry out has got to be the answer ?
yep.....my motor stays very clean.
I always wondered how good of a job that stuff did. I was using it to flush when my boat was kept at my house,but now its in a stack and store anns only gets flushed with water by marina after i come in.i do use the salt spray to wash all my rods and reels and it seems to do a good job.i am a recent transplant from the fascist blue states to Georgia 2 hrs north of you.did well on trout last week using your guidance on float rig setup. Thanks Dave.keep em coming.
a buddy of mine used saltX on all his mega expensive spinner reels, ZeeBass, Van Staals, and more. After awhile it ate up the water proofing rubber seals. WARM water is the best, of course. I only wipe my reels with a damp cloth. On a Alloy Plate boat forum I used to be highly active on, we had a member with a brand new 500K customalloy boat, he kept it in a big steel building and after every trip he washed the entire boat down with SaltX, after about a year he posted photos of his 1/2 million dollar boat with Streaks running down the side. Well ya guessed it, it was the SaltX. He must have bought it in 55 gal drums!! He ended up acid washing the hull with the real deal, and then sealing the aluminum afterwards Cha-Ching with time and $$. He would have been better off hooking up to a water softener and thats it.
Wow thats an expensive lesson.the stuff i use is not saltx.it made by crc.i remember spraying all our internationals down back in the 80's with wd 40 after a days fishing.didnt seem to hurt them.wash first then wd. @@CaptDavesSportfishing
Hi capn Dave.running to a reef today my 2021 zuke 175 w 140 hrs started surging and losing power.long story short my fuel prime ball was collapsing. What should i look for?thanks in advance.
@@alanharding1431 clogged fuel filters???? I've said it a multitude of times I'm as shade tree mechanic as it gets.
I'll ask Orowock, he's a zuki mechanic.
@@CaptDavesSportfishing i was hoping thats all it is.its fairly new.never had problems till today.filter changed at 100 hrs.it made for along 20 mile run in.thanks for getting back captain Dave.have a great labor day
Thanks for the video! What about just mixing vinegar with water in a tub and flushing an engine that way?
really not needed, if so you'd need gallons of vinegar. just let the water warm up in your tub, because salt surely melts in warm water, just as EZ. My motor is squeeky clean inside, and thats all I do.
I have used a salt off adapter that connects to motor. Filled it with vinegar and flushed my outboards over the years. It has worked for me. I try to flush it with fresh water at boat ramp before I leave first. Just depends where I go. Main reason I love sisters creek ramp
I’ve heard about some people using the tub filled with vinegar and dish washing soap, swearing it is the only way to get the salt out. I’m dubious…
I just told ya the simplest way......WARM WATER Vs. Salt. I've hear it all. THE BEST IS: 📌📌THE REAL CLEAN OUT.....'''''WATCH THIS''' RYDLYME CLEAN OUT A OUTBOARD❗❗ th-cam.com/video/jQRPVEELjAo/w-d-xo.html
I clean my battery terminals in my trucks with hot water straight out of the coffee maker. Same process. It dissolves the buildup.
Capt Dave,
Do you use anything on your trailer or just rinse it with fresh water?
My trailer gets a ''spritzing'' as I wash off the boat., thats all. I have a peeve about keeping my trailer rims in good condition and they get the majority of the trailer attention.
Do you need to run the engine as opposed to using flush port to get thermostat open?
nope not if you're pumping it through and you took your thermostats out if you read the comments everybody is always making this way more difficult than it needs to be it's not a big deal
It looks like it only work in a clean engine and coats the unit to stop salt adhering but does not wash salt out..
I think you are right to flush and sounds like warm water is a good idea
Great Video
MY MOTOR IS CLEAN AND LIKE NEW! (it's all BS) you saw the salt left over after a hour flush with ''Salt Off''.
How can it clean the water jacket with a cold t-stat?
you're supposed to flush motor after each trip, with no less than the water muffs and and hose, till motor runs up to operating temp. I do not use the flush ports built in, EVER. Personally, I use a big barrel. at least 15-20 minutes.
For 44 years I lived and worked in Jacksonville. My 1999 Suzuki engine corroded though the cylinder head in 212.9 hours and 10 years. In 2020 I moved to Lake Panasoffkee Fl (between Ocala and Tampa) May 8th of 2024 I bought a new Suzuki DF50a from Diamond Marine in New Smyrna Beach and tomorrow (6/3/24) I will install it on the transom of my 1999 Critchfield boat. I promise NEVER to ever run my new motor in salt water period! I have the finest possible bass fishing right off my dock.
I work for SEATOW part time now in Mayport, we only have suzuki;s. and they get worked soooooooooo hard, never get flushed, just routine maintenance. And we have 1600 to 3000 hard, hard hours on them 100% saltwater. How you had that much corrosion in only 200 plus hours you obviosly had a VERY RARE issue.
Rydlyme is a hydrochloric acid based descaler, comparing that to salt remover is like comparing a wash cloth to a steel brush.
not a chemist. One works, One Doesn't! real simple.
@@CaptDavesSportfishing Something else to consider, Rydlyme can eat metal, the salt remover doesn't.
wrong......but I can eat metal too. saltaway or saltX ate the o-rings in my buddies $1000 Van Staal reel.
Hydrochloric acid is nothing more than diluted muratic acid.
so did you flush your motor in the bucket mixed with rydlyme ??
I have multiple times.
Have you tried rydlyme inside motor ?internal walls?
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You have to remove the thermostat so the liquid flows thru the whole motor AND i use Lysol advance toilet bowl cleaner, i put a charger on my batter run it with my 1500 gallon /hr bilge pump OVERNIGHT. . Note i also take a 50/50 (water/lysol ) mix in a container and soak termostat over night scrub it then thow in for another 24 hrs scub and rinse. come out PERFECTLY clean
Forget all that BS you're doing and just get yourself some rydlyme descaler!!
Yeah I would use the rest of that salt off to wash the aluminum boat see if it brings back a nice shiny luster
IT WON'T. its not a acid.....and I don't want a shiny luster. (been there, not fun th-cam.com/video/YoBAsdJ-vfQ/w-d-xo.html )
Lots of good comments here. First, you need to identify the exact composition of the encrustation. If it's not salt, the salt-remover may be ineffective. If it's calcium, then other removers will be needed. If it's metallic oxides, a different cleaner, etc. You need to follow established laboratory procedures to really give a product a valid test. I mean, what if it's fish snot? Salt remover is no good for that.
Dishwashing liquid works just as well, much cheaper too
Where did you get your barrel that you use for flushing?
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Thank you sir! Enjoy your informational videos on maintenance. I have a Suzuki DF90A.
@@Borak-us9bf OR A tractor supply or any Ag store near you. C'mon!
Question. Since you use the barrel every time to flush, do you use Rydlime in the barrel? If so why does the salt keep accumulating on the anodes? How many hours do you guess were on that annode. I have the same engine, I use salt away with every flush - every time, and I still end up with T-stats, T-stat housings, and anode build up.
well according to what I saw you're wasting your time & $$. NO, I don't use Rydlym in my barrel every time, I used it to completely DE-SCALE my old motor a few times: th-cam.com/video/YoBAsdJ-vfQ/w-d-xo.html wow would that be costly! I said I believe just warm water is the best overall flushing agent. WARM water melts salt. Maybe I should do a salinity test of my barrel water after running my motor out?? hahahahaha I also said there is no 100% fix. Maybe ya need to re-watch the video one more time. I know it was fast. But I tried to cover everything as fast as possible and 1/2 the original video ended up being deleted during editing because the TH-cam audience has a short attention span, so I had to chop it way down.
I use vinegar in the bucket
I built a flush sytem to clean the entire motor with rydlyme, you can check PH in and out to verify if its still cleaning or not,, did you know that,,its prety cool man,,
yep
Capt Dave I bet most people use that salt off to wash there yachts to get the salt off the boat.
people with yachts have softened water machines, all that stuff too. it worked inside my back hatch where salt air gets trapped over time and salty ''dust'' accumulates. Thats all it was good for. worked well when I washed that area with it............but removing ''deposits''? not!
Salt X or any other salt neutralizing product does not remove oxidation sacrificial anode it's calcium corrosion on the anodes not salt.
it removes zero inside the motor then! I'll use warm water, and rydlyme. As usual
Rydlyme for the win.
YEPPER......salt remover UN officially debunked. a whole hour of pumping thru motor and anodes are still caked with salt? NOT GOOD. It did work fine in my back compartment of boat where salt ''dusting'' accumulates. Thats the real reason I even tried it. RYDLYME EATS UP ''DEPOSITS', end of story.'
Are you sure it's salt and not magnesium oxide??
Well it tastes like salt looks like salt I believe it's probably salt. Why people defend this product so vigilantly it's unbelievable
Now I'm paranoid about putting my boat in saltwater
no need just keep clean.....warm water flushes salt, just as good as anything else.
I use muriatic acid
Maybe better to use vinegar
Always better to use Rydlyme descaled!!
None of the salt removal products work as advertised. Flush your engine with fresh water each time you use it and change your anodes every year. Applying caustic liquids inside the engine could damage seals and o-rings.
got that straight!
Now you say warm water will help , what if someone was to make a flush out tank that is heated !!!!! I’m kinda curios to see it in action
Oh.....the newbies out there. You don't need a heated tank the outboard will heat up the water FAST!
I don't believe that's actually salt. There's always the "taste test" to be sure, but I don't recommend it after running the West Marine chemicals in there. The sacrificial anodes on my home and RV water heaters are always caked up with white gunk just like that even though there is no salt water going through them. According to "the internet" that white stuff is calcium or calcium carbonate, which Rydlyme is made to dissolve (water scale, limescale, calcium and rust). So does the West Marine Salt Off work? Who knows, but if you say the inside of your engine is clean, then perhaps it is, but it is ineffective on scale.
I LOVE THIS VIDEO, this and my Admiral Byrds diaries video get so much action!!! screw all this crap, I just do a maintenance schedule of descaling with Rydlyme. the white crap..... IT TASTES LIKE SALT.!! The salty dirt, tannin, sand, mud water river I fish has me using it and getting the job done, right.
@@CaptDavesSportfishingYou say it tastes like salt? Well, that’s more like pure science than what the government guy up in Washington was doing during the pandemic, so it must be salt, then. :). Looking forward to checking out more of your videos. Thanks for sharing them!
You're not using SaltAway (Salts Gone, West Marine Brand, Salt Off) properly. The product is intended to be used to flush your engine after use, it is not designed to descale. The SaltAway's, when used every trip, are designed to clean out and keep out salt build up. If you have buildup, then the solution is to use a descaling product (Rydlyme, Barnacle Buster) to descale or pull the heads and mechanically clean the water passages.
In other words - use SaltAway type of product every time and then you won't have a need for descaling.
I know all about descaling and engine maintenance, and have hundreds of videos about the subjects. If it won't take off any simple salt build up then it's wasted $$. Oh, spend, spend huh? From day one? My motor doesn't need descaling. It's all a way to suck $ out of your pocket.
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I wish i could move to Florida, but mine and my wifes family are here in washington state! 😖
I had many a charter customer from EASTERN WASHINGTON, in the past few weeks. My boat was built there, too.
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LOOK INTO IT. MULIPLE PEOPLE USE IT TO KEEP SALT OUT OF INSIDE MOTOR. AND STILL GET OVER HEATING FROM SALT BUILD UP.
@@CaptDavesSportfishing I had a feeling that stuff was junk when I would replace my thermostats and they would be covered in salt deposits
@@livinbytheocean2032 it may be good for like getting salt off of your seat cushions and that's about it. I run my Suzuki out in a Rubbermaid 70-gallon livestock trough. and the best thing to get rid of Salt is warm water. and my engine is spotless inside the water jacket.
I have multitudes of on this subject and even using rydlyme for maintenance clean out
Install a Keel cooler, problem solved.
Not sure the test really accomplishes much. First, the product says not to place items in the concentrate, but to mix it with water first. This is important because the product, when mixed with water, may have different chemical properties. As such, using it in concentrated form is not a valid experiment. Second, every good experiment needs a control. In this case, submersing two other anodes in cold water and warm water, potentially with a third in the lime product, would provide a means to actually measure if the Salt Off is any better than basic options. Finally, that product is an irritant to both skin and eyes; I recommend safeguarding your own health by handling it with gloves or a tool. Hope this helps.
DOES NOT
you show a motor THAT HAS NOT BEEN FLUSHED, EVER. Salt away works, come on man... post real world videos.
No this is a motor that gets flushed in a barrel every single time it comes back from saltwater. And every 6 months gets descaled with rydlyme.
Just out of curiosity. Does that rydlyme eat up anything else?
just scale and salt. it will effect anodes. I take them all out. all interior anodes will have 'build up' since they are sticking into the motor. and I proved the saltaway did zero to any salt accumulation. my motor is squeeky clean inside because warm water in a barrel is a certain way to get rid of salt. and it cheaper. if I used saltaway after each trip, I'd need 55 gallon barrels of it monthly..
Any salt away product is developed to rinse salt out. It's not designed to get rid of any build-up.
Use it on an engine that is new religiously, and you won't get a build-up.
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