Andor: _“What is my sacrifice? I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them. I burn my decency for someone else's future. I burn my life to make a sunrise that I know I'll never see. And the ego that started this fight will never have a mirror or an audience or the light of gratitude. So what do I sacrifice? Everything!”_ Acolyte: “the power of maaaaaaaaaaannnnyyyyyy!!!”
You could make that comparison to 99% of Star Wars writing. Comparing Andor to other Star Wars is kind of like comparing every show to The Sopranos or Breaking Bad - its reductive and defeatist.
currently watching Andor for the first time due to word of mouth/posts and I'm really enjoying it,good SW content doesn't always have to involve the Jedi or Sith... so far,the only Disney era entries that I would recommend are Andor,Rogue One and Solo(yes,I realize that most pan it but it wasn't horrible,and it's better than what's out currently) 🤔
Oh what time it must have been to be alive as a _”Ferrixian”_ citizen in the galactic year of *5 BBY* and to be walking down _Rix Road_ within _”Ferrix City”_ I would yearn to embrace the _day to day_ lifestyles of the deeply bonded, pridefully conservative culture of the people living peacefully on the outer rim “Free Trade Sector” on a sparsely populated barren planet Ferrix of the Morlani system. Enjoying how simplistic every day begins and ends stoically with _”The Time Grappler”_ His civic duty as an ordinary commoner, an unremarkable human figure who embodies the unified core essence of every dependable hard working loyal residents that can hear and feel the powerful embrace of the uniquely distinctive sound of “beskar” from his rhythmic poses seen only by him wearing protective earmuffs residing next to the anvil of beskar metal that can found only on the legendary planet of _Mandalore._ Armed only with his appointed civiv hammer Using physical actions of his whole upper body to signal the days changing moments by striking the duel hammers to the surface of _”The Authoritative Anvil on High” at the top the city’s tallest bell tower on _Rix Road._ The moment the citizens hear the sound, collectively like clockwork they promptly respond relatively with the appropriate actions.
Disney presents Star Wars : Aversion to Revenue I think Andor is good, but it makes no money. The Acolyte is insulting bad, and makes no money. Every film since TLJ has made no money (when properly accounted for). No films have dropped in 5 years. This is a very strange company.
I’m fairly certain these shows only make money for the producers. For Disney, they don’t care. They only want to churn out content regularly to keep Star Wars and Marvel in the zeitgeist to get people to go to their theme parks, where the real money is made. Storytelling, lore and quality don’t matter
Andor was the only Star Wars show where the finale had more viewers than the first episode. It came after some really bad shows featuring famous characters, so many people just thought a show about Cassian Andor would be worse But word of mouth is a powerful thing.
Well, clearly not everyone shares the same taste. Kinda to be expected in an ecosystem, especially if survival is the goal. Conformity fails. I'm surprised that message hasn't gotten across better.
Everything depends on Andor S2 now. Honestly, if they manage to f that up, Star Wars is done. They've alienated old guard fans like me, pissed off the Prequel era fans and failed to make a new fanbase who can support their expensive vanity projects.
It's waaaay too late for that. Andor is too niche, the viewing numbers will not be much better than S1, and they were already bad. This franchise has been dead for a while now, it just took a lot of people some time to realize it.
@@aldunlop4622 I get that, but everyone is different. For me, I can't take anything serious that happens in the same universe, where you have those silly kids on their bikes from "The Book of Boba Fett", or "The Holdo Maneuver", or anything or anyone from "The Acolyte".
I agree that Andor shines because of writing and acting. I think there may be a fatigue among general audiences from Marvel and Star Wars mediocrity, that good productions may be lumped in with the others. Moon Knight is a Marvel example much like Andor, stand alone but really good quality story and acting.
Same. I'm also happy Revan and the KOTOR series hasn't been touched yet. I'm actually really glad the remake is likely canceled indefinitely, given the people behind it were just as bad as the people over at the TV production side of Disney. Only thing I've enjoyed for the last few years was Andor, and once S2 is done I see no point sticking around.
It's even more pathetic than you think. It's not that they hate Star Wars, they don't even care. They hate their dads and want to ruin what their dads liked.
I’m sorry but I reallly don’t think these types have any right to complain about being labeled “not fans”. First of all it’s not an insult and second, if you’re trying to repurpose the Jedi as the secret bad guys and push an alternative grey force user that use both sides of the force while skating on the emotional conditioning that of which was deemed a necessity under George, you’re pushing to undo so much of the crucial lore
Much in the same way the myths of an entire culture based on falsehoods unravel. This show is doing a great service. It's certainly been opening my eyes to who I've been sharing a fandom with.
“Incoherent people” is uncalled for But I still stand firmly on the importance of keeping up with George’s vision and respecting his characters. With that said, of course, the sequel trilogy doesn’t do so but rather strives to get them out of the way. Its absurd because it’s still their story(the saga numbered episodes 1-6, now 1-9) and either way it’s a terrible note to leave these characters on
The Disney defenders can’t cope with the reality. Case point: 1. Rogue One. A woman is the lead. It had one of the most diverse cast. Donnie y? Legend. There was little outrage if any. Why? Because the story and acting was awesome. The Fx were good and it didn’t look like a fan made tv show. Case point 2. : Andor. Almost everyone loved it. It also had a diverse cast including. 2 lesbian characters. Was there outrage from the “toxic” fans? No. But aren’t they all racists and sexiest? Huh what happened? Neither. There was was no outrage because Andor was good. The argument that i have to be a writer to critic writing is another weak defense. The story was good, acting was top notch and it didn’t look like garbage. So all of the toxic fan accusations are just deflections. It’s easy to just call em “must be racist” when in fact, as a piece of SW entertainment, The acolyte is nothing more but cheap Disney activism at its worst. The creator sounds clueless in interviews. The cast says “Anakin destroyed the death star”. The cast is so unlikeable. And im not talking about the canon breaking shit. Had it been well done, I can guarantee you few people would have dissed it. On top, the entitled actors tone in interviews. Terrible. The solution is simple: you first, write an awesome story. Then you hire SKILLED actors. Then you hire a competent director and after all that, sure. Make them all lesbians. I don’t care. But as it is right now - this show is abysmal piece of work. 180 million. Godzilla minus 1 costs 15. Let that sink in.
While I happen to agree with your main point I think you are making it to easy for yourself with citing Rogue One and Andor as proof. Rogue One: for the first 2/3 of the movie Jyn Erso is not the protagonist, she is just being dragged along by Andor because he needs her. Andor: is clearly a mans world. On the rebel side Andor, Luthen Rael, Lt. Gorn (despite being nominally in charge Vel doesn't exactly exude authority on Aldhani), Saw, Anton Kregyr and finally Brasso on Ferrix. On the imperial side its Karn, Mosk, Major Pardagast. Yes, there are some strong women, Kleyta, Mon Mothma and of course Dedra as well, but Kleyta is Luthens assistent, he has the final word, Mon Mothma is being educated by Luthen for being naiv and is for the most of the show busy saving her own skin. Which leads us to another interesting point: in Andor women need men to save them. - Mon Mothma turns to a man to solve her financial problems. - Brix has to be rescued by Andor. - Deedra has to be rescued by Syril Karn on Ferrix. And the last point is one of the few points where Andors writing is objectivly not good: how does Dedra end up in the middle of the riot and without her two deathtrooper escorts? There is no good explanation except the writers needed her in that position so "somehow it happened". Make no mistake, I wouldn't change anything in Andor. If you tried things genderflip some of the characters (e.g. making the old scholl friend Mon turns to a woman) it just wouldn't work. I think Andor works and feels so realistic because it so closely reflects our own world. But for that same reason Andor is not the silver bullet against the disney defenders that you think it is. Ahsoka could have been the show that once and for all put that story to rest - if Ahsoka had been good (sigh).
It's not even because Andor was good. It's because the characters were well written and never once mentioned anything about their identity, or pedastalized any of the "diverse" characters. I don't think it's ever even mentioned what Cinta and the Waif are, it's just made clear they're a couple, and they just speak to eachother like any other couple. That is how you do diversity without causing people like me to roll my eyes when I recognize blatant hollywood virtue signalling
@@mikesmithz The only thing that some considered woke is that the show is too anti right-wing. There are a lot of fight against facism, imperialist, capitalism, colonialism, etc. in the show. This is a show about Rebellion and revolution. Of course it felt woke to certain type of people. But this show doesn't hide the fact that the Rebellion isn't full of people with good morals. Some of them did terrible things in the name of Rebellion and their actions impact other innocent people.
When did they say anything against capitalism at all? Against fascism and imperialism sure. But if you dislike it for that reason, you'd have to dislike the OT as well. Also not even finishing the first episode? So you didn't at all give it a chance and labeled it something is definitely isant, because of some preconceived bias? You're totally a reasonable thinker huh?
@@therecalcitrantseditionist3613 There's a flashback part with Young Cassian and Clem Andor cleaning old rusty parts while saying that why people who made the parts don't make the same old stuff anymore because those people are rather sell a brand new system at a much higher price. Essentially a commentary to product obsolescence and how manufactured goods are made in general in today's age, instead of reusing and repairing old parts that can still be used. Don't forget about what Nemik said: "We've grown reliant on Imperial tech, and we've made ourselves vulnerable." and how he used an old navigational tool so it can't be jammed and if it breaks he can just fix it himself. Yet another commentary about our reliance on big tech companies' products and how hard it is to fix by regular people. And if you realize that Luthen is using custom techs for his Fondor Haulcraft makes another mark of not relying on imperial tech. So yes, there are nods about fighting against capitalism as well.
Giving credit to Andor doesn't say anything positive about Disney. I don't know why people cannot separate their feelings and acknowledge how good of a job Tony Gilroy and co did. Saying it was brilliant doesn't change the fact that KK is shit. It proves exactly that, it was good because KK was off fucking around with other shit and Gilroy was free to do whatever he wanted. Andor being good shows you exactly why KK is a terrible producer. Be bitter all you want, hate Disney and KK, not wanting a story about Andor or the rebellion is all fair, but it was executed well to Gilroy's vision and it felt like Star Wars. All can be true at the same time. If Gilroy is free to do whatever he wants for season two I gaurantee it will be the best Star Wars to date, mark my words, we will get some legit rebel assault action.
I stopped watching after force awakens it was only recently that I started watching Andor and it was actually good with good writing and it felt like it was a star wars then I watched I Rogue one loved it and honestly these two are the only good things that came out of the disney era.
No, its the anti-fans who are killing Star Wars by making nuanced conversations nearly impossible. The current level of mediocrity with moments of brilliance is the same as Star Wars has always been. The difference is the internet. Where once the same folks would have to write to starlog to complain about George Lucas, the internet allows them to spew the same hate at the speed of their keyboard and internet connection. I'm an old EU fan - books, comics, and games. Majority of the EU is on par with the quality of The Acolyte - mid with a mix of abysmal, weak, and decent writing - and yet its beloved especially in hindsight. The writing of the prequels and The Clone Wars series is also mostly mid with a mix of abysmal, weak, and decent writing - and yet its beloved especially in hindsight. I see a lot of people online who love a piece of Star Wars that is pretty mediocre that is now frothing at the mouth over other Star Wars that's as mediocre. The internet has changed everything. We're in an age of extremes where art is either the best or the worst and simply being mediocre isn't tolerated by a vocal group online. We're in an age where hating is actually profitable and being an anti-fan is easy due to echo-chambers. People bandwagon like crazy - hate train or hype bus - and don't like to stick their neck out from the folks they're around. Andor is as close to perfect as one can get. 99.99% of television is nowhere near as good as Andor S1 but that doesn't mean there isn't tons of good storytelling out there. Yet a vocal group of anti-fans and trolls tried to bring it down on social media but they ultimately stopped, probably around the prison arc, because the show was so good they realized they looked like complete idiots. IMO The Acolyte so far is just...okay, for me the cringe moments haven't outweighed the cool aspects and the potential. The degree of hate its receiving online is disturbing - its not the people that dislike it (cause disliking something is fine) but its the intensity, its the hostility and belligerence from many of those who dislike it towards the actors and the creators and other fans who are mid on it or enjoying it.
I actually just realized that Andor is it's own show lol. with asoka and the acolyte I grouped it in with the A's I guess haha. And I grew up watching the original trilogy on VHS in its cool gold case. Shows you how much THIS original Star Wars fan cares!
As a fan who loved Rouge One, I'm also a huge fan of Andor. There's a very old school gritty vibe these installments bring. Also, from what I've heard is that the last few episodes of Andor will tie into Rouge One. Needless to say I will be watching everything back to back.
5:20 Yes It's about the people fighting against the oppression, but in the center of it all is Cassian Andor. He kickstarted the whole story, if it weren't for his knowledge and skills. the Aldhani heist would've failed. Pretty sure he also has the most screentime and we we're following *his* story for most of the time. I can understand that it could be because people think Diego Luna's acting in the show wasn't anything superb compared to Luthen and Kino but that's the point of his character, someone who lays low and not trying to attract attention, one thing that everybody missed is how Cassian is always analyzing, looking around, it's that quietness of his attitude that makes him special to me.
Are there actually people who think these shows are in any sort of competition? There's literally nothing good about the Acolyte Andor is the best writing star wars has ever had and has been handled impossibly well for a Disney show. Acolyte is bad even for a Disney show. There is no comparison 😂😂😂
Honestly, even if it was the greatest fight in cinematic history, Kenobi would have still been a letdown that's only an excuse to bring back Kenobi and Anakin to beat on each other. Kind of like what some oil baron’s kid would produce for his birthday party.
It's telling that one of the memorable moments of Andor for OG Star Wars fans was Luthien's "speech"? Consider that for a moment? One of the most memorable scenes was a character's monologue?! Gilroy might not have been a hardcore fan of Star Wars, but he certainly gets it. Headland clearly does not. And I don't hate Headland or anyone else for creating a Star Wars show, but I don’t have to watch or like it either.
There are fans the movies (George Lucas), and fans of the games (Obsidian and BioWare). If you dislike Lucas's morals, you'll hate the Jedi in the movies.
I don't see a problem with the Acolyte but I am coming to the realization that I have been sharing a fandom with people whose views are in close alignment with those of the Empire rather than the Republic. Guess they really don't consider the stylistic differences between The Acolyte and Andor as a mirror of the zeitgeist in their respective times. It's really quite unsettling that deep down so many people are as dense, rigid, aggressive, and conformist as they are.
@@conscientiousobjector5988 the original star wars movies are based on medieval chivalrous tales with their morals replaced with Lucas's personal convictions. We know that the intention is that Luke and the Jedi order are the good guys. But, the modern interpretation is far more interesting. The idea of there is a center where the force is gray, that there are good and bad Sith and Jedi. That there are good and bad Republicans and Imperials. That's closer to humanity than Lucas's personal little story where he worships his own morals. I haven't watched the new movies or watched the shows though. I just think it's silly that anyone would just dismiss the other perspective.
*What could’ve been:* ✅ Sith perspective story similar to Darth Plagueis or Darth Bane novels; Sith warrior and inquisitor stories from SWTOR. ✅ Mature and grounded story similar to Andor but with the mysticism of the Dark Side. In-depth look at Sith philosophy as we follow a master/apprentice two vs an entire galaxy story. ✅ Well-written Sith protagonists part of a two-person organization in a thousand-year conspiracy to upset the Galactic status-quo. ✅ New Star Wars timeline. Reality: ❌ The Acolyte…. “The power of one, the power of two. The power of many.”
@@HugoStiglitz88 Viewership is fine. I know why I am defending it though. I've had enough enjoyment taken out of my life. The show isn't perfect but few things are. I won't let someone's thoughts on what it should be become the enemy of what I perceive to be good.
@@HugoStiglitz88 It's not an acolyte quote, it's just a summation of people like Headland and her fans, who think Jedi are bad and Sith are merely an alternative.
Very well said. I binged ANDOR on BD last weekend and thought it outstanding. Definitely “Star Wars for adults” (like a hard PG-13). I think it was successful partly because: no Jedi, no Force, barely any stormtroopers, etc. Instead: A story, B story, C story, keeping you shifting around so never “okay I’m tired of this thread.” Production design, superb. Costuming, set dressing, props superb. VFX, just what was needed, not a bit more. I may buy it on UHD BD just so I can watch those “great moments” again (incl. the Luthen speech you mention). Wouldn’t be an absolute HOOT if ANDOR S2 is a wild success, busts the viewer count, gets lots of positive reviews. (Disney/LFL/Kennedy will probably blame “maie lead, mail viewers” despite Mon Mothma having such a big role in S1.)
The naming convention that you brought up at the end of this video is insightful and I never really gave it much thought. The fact that Disney Star Wars are labeling these shows after one character maybe indicative of the narcissistic culture that has gripped much of Disney, where everything is about the individual.
Andor is called Andor because it is Diego Luna’s baby-And although it is an ensemble, Andor is the jumping off point. Plus for marketing it links back to Rogue One
What bothers me the most about this is I used to love Disney through my wife, and now shes gone and so is the Disney she loved so much. It sucks so damn much.
The Jazz and classical music comparison was made by an interviewer and Dave passively agreed with him he didn't actually make that remark himself and I actually agree in part because the Star Wars lore at this point has so many tears and crossovers it's impossible to find a ground level
I think there were 2 main factors that hurt Andor as a series, the title of the show, as you have stated should have been Rebellion or rise of the rebellion and the fact it was released on disney+. cause honestly subscribtion services suck. I didn't watch Andor when it was released because I did not want to get disney+ but I bought it on blue ray the moment it was released to support the show specificaly
I can't wait for Andor to show so I can quit Disney SW immediately after I watch it. I'm going to go back and catch up on all the Legends stuff I missed.
Im a Star Wars fan. Have been since I saw Return of the Jedi when I was 4 at a drive in. The day they (Disney) made the Zahn trilogy not cannon was the day I decided to ignore anything else they did.
Andor S2 is the only upcoming Star Wars TV show that has properly set expectations. Everything else is unproven or rocky. Mando, Ahsoka, Acolyte... I have no hope for these shows to impress me anymore. I've seen what Filoni and Kennedy are willing to excrete onto D+ and it's just sad. I used to crave more Star Wars media. I grew up in the prequel era, watched Clone Wars as a kid, played all the video games. When I heard that they were doing TV shows, with the Mandalorian as a testbed, I was intrigued. Found interest in the TV show, enjoyed it. Then little by little, my expectations submerged. Mando S2 felt more off, then we Book of Boba Fett, Kenobi, Mando S3, Ahsoka... Every show having clear deficiencies, some of them notoriously obvious. Andor squeaked in just past Kenobi. Wow. What a gamechanger. Completely altered my desires for Star Wars. Gave me something absolutely captivating. Who knew that good writing, acting, and directing creates a fantastic show? Depth, nuance, dilemmas, punchy action, stirring speeches, and side characters I care about. It's literally a show that focuses on the classic trope of every Star Wars character having a name. And then just runs with it. And you know what, it works. It feels like a pure version of Star Wars that is solely focused on it's vision. Then you get the Acolyte, which failed to learn anything from Andor. I don't care about most of the characters, neither does the show it seems. Wacky dialogue, bizarre turns, and a mystery that is already on it's last legs because the initial intrigue about the current murder mystery was shot down, and I almost don't even care what happened to the witches. Where is the proper use of intrigue, the side characters that feel alive, intelligence in the motivations... It's just frustrating to see how something that should have had a thorough revision gets released and peddled as a tv show worth the name of Star Wars but yet again fails at the writing. And it ties all these neat ideas together. Cortosis in a TV show, a Sith Lord just prior to Palpatine's rise, cracks in the Jedi's power and moral authority, and actually fleshing out what the High Republic is supposed to be like. And it's all underutilized or gimmicky. I don't think that Jedi have blank passes to be good. There's been portrayals of them that are not always the best. Acolyte beats around that bush. But it has failed to properly show why someone would not like the order. The Old Republic featured Jedi having weaknesses in their beliefs. It's where Revan came from, he got tired of their passive ways. Mandalorians are raiding the galaxy. He felt that it was necessary to intervene, even against the Council's wishes. The Council did not wish for the Jedi to lose their way (as the Jedi in the prequels have done), so you get a really cool parallel. But not here. Just some vague talk about political enemies and keeping things hidden. No pushback from Sol, which would have been interesting to see. Where is the drama?! It's like the script went well jedi are supposed to be controversial in our show, so they are. Wow. Brilliant.
If you honestly think the Star Wars universe is as simple as “The Jedi are good. The End.” Then YOU are the one who doesn’t understand the universe, especially the prequel trilogy and the clone wars show that showcase how the Jedi allowed democracy to die and the Empire to rise of the ashes of the Republic due to their own incompetence,arrogance and negligence. They are NOT all good, and that just makes them more complex and interesting characters and whoever doesn’t understand this is quite frankly intellectually challenged to say the least.
People said George Lucas raped my childhood after the prequels came out. Nothing new about complaining about Acolyte. Andor was good and I'll watch the 2nd season of that for sure.
I started reading the "Legacy" Star Wars series. I began with 4 ABY to cleanse my palate from Disney Wars. I've read five books in one week, and I'm halfway through the first Rogue Squadron book. 😊 This is Star Wars. I'm going chronologically after Return of the Jedi, then will probably go back to the beginning.
1:08 I mean, a lot of the older, older Star Wars fans absolutely Hated the Prequels like a bunch of man children. So it’s funny seeing them in the same boat at the Disney shills now. 🤣
The fundamental problem with productions like the Acolyte is that they think if they can portray the good guys as bad guys then that means it's a more complex and therefore better story. Not only do they need to understand at what point in time this is taking place if the way they're doing is cheap and right off the bat they're not making a complex story weighing out different issues and complex arcs. They're making points of propaganda to get cheap sympathy for whoever the other side is without earning it.
There is no Venn diagram that includes both Tony Gilroy and Leslye Headland. Canon or not, good storytelling is required to maintain a fanbase. Disney is a corporate juggernaut and the lunatics (the suits) are running the asylum there. We're all lucky we even saw Andor come to life.
I love Andor, it's well written and acted, the sets actually look phenomenal, and the story is great, but ultimately for me it has a few problems. It's VERY grim, there's almost no light-heartedness to break up the tension, and ultimately, it's a sequel to a sequel. We know what the ending is, more or less. That's why I hate sequels. This is a major problem with all franchises at the moment, they CAN'T just move forward! I would LOVE to see a Star Wars story with Andor's level of skill in production set a hundred years in the future, canonically, and just start a new storyline. The Skywalker Saga has just been milked to death by Disney. I don't want a Mandalorian and Grogu movie, or a Rey stealing Luke's arc story. They don't have the creative talent or courage to do that though, so I have no hope for Disney.
IMO, The Acolyte is not terrible, but it's also not good. At least from footage from the second half of the season shows more action. I haven't seen any episodes of Andor yet, but it definitely looks better than The Acolyte
Regarding canon and continuity, Star Wars and Star Trek fans suddenly have a lot in common these days. Canon and continuity shouldn't be treated as liberally as it is. It's there to keep you immersed and engaged, and I don't understand how the writers have become so lazy. It's really not that hard to rewatch the older stuff if you have trouble remembering who the good guys are.
Post George Lucas: Loved - Andor and Mando s1 Liked - Solo and Book of Boba Fett (sentimental reasons, I probably overrate these two) Sharp Decline - Kenobi Mando s2-3 Disliked: Rey Trilogy Hate: Acolyte
Disney hates star wars but the new fans are welcome to join the shit show. Kenobi was nice seeing ewan mcgregor and that was about it unfortunately. If you really wanna get mad you should hear how some of these shows almost turned out. Disney constantly picks the worst version of stories
It's frustrating to watch shows on other networks like FX, HBO, or even Amazon Prime and see a better product that includes a well written script, actual character development, and tell a heroes journey. All of these shows feature strong female characters who have to overcome obstacles and adapt to the harsh environments they are set in. I think of strong female characters like Mariko in Shōgun (FX), multiple female characters in the Game of Thrones series (HBO), or Lucy in Fallout (Prime). Lucasfilm has the capital and means to produce great content like this but remains woefully ignorant to its existing audience in making aggressively mediocre content for an audience that Parrot Analitics data proves doesn't exist.
The Acolyte makes me want to open an unencrypted deep space communication to contact The Borg with a message, Come get me *Please* I wont resist. I promise, but for the of God just get here quick.
Since the Last Jedi all went down the drain. I just don't care anymore by now and watch it for "fun".. just to see how bad it is. It never amazes on that level.
You're right tho. The jedi are the good guys. Wait till they find out what the sith have done in the old republic lmao. But every show needs to strive to be as good as andor.
Andor was probably really good, but Disney has burned all its good will. The Mandalorian was good, until the last season. The acolyte will probably be the nail in the coffin, but maybe it’ll be this Mandalorian wrap up movie. The fans just don’t want to show up for it.
I just don't even bother with Disney. It's not real Star Wars. Not that the EU is perfect, by any means. But at least I can curate my own canon with my friends and communities.
Acolyte = “Shite” (a Scottish term but oh so apt here - just imagine Billy Connolly saying it) in fact after eps I won’t be going back to it. Andor for myself is on the right path but I’ve told the wife to end the Disney sub - there’s nothing to watch.
The answer is actually really simple, it comes down to who is making the project. Dune was made by a director who was a fan of the source material who has also proved himself to not just be competent, but also revolutionary. Dune was made was made because a small group of people wanted to tell the story of Dune and knew the studio would fund it because it would probably make money. These Star wars shows are a completely different thing, they're being made to make as much money as possible, it's not about quality at all. It's not even about telling a great story, the purpose of the story in these Star wars shows is all political, it's not even to tell a great story. Always look into who is making the film and why, that's going to be your best indicator of a quality work of film
Disney star wars fell the moment that they decided to rewrite the script that had Luke Skywalker as the main driving character in episode 7. They took him out and put rey as the main character so soon. That's when things begin to fall apart. The last Jedi put a nail in the potential of correcting the course of action. Rise of Skywalker crap on everything that GL created as the lore. Mando season 2 ending was that last minute hail Mary save with the return of Luke Skywalker to take Grogo for training. But then Disney lucasfilm made a business decision to bring baby Yoda back to sell toys. That destroyed any Goodwill. All of the Disney plus shows help to destroy the morality of star wars because the wrong people was hired who had no respect for the characters and lore.Everything is now about their personal ideas and agendas for star wars. The idea of furthering the stories of George Lucas is no longer the main prime directives.
@@bb-gc2tx The way how GL wrote Luke Skywalker as a character. He was able to connect with any person who felt like him in New hope. Luke was seen as themselves. .Every different races can be Luke Skywalker. That was the beautiful thing about star wars . The writing of the character the hero journey is what made Luke Skywalker so relatable as a character. The new age Disney just don't understand that .
Marvel and star wars are in a funny spot where Marvel cant seem to make anything better than daredevil. Star wars cant seem to make anything better than Andor. Which in retrospect is kind of a good thing because they set the bar so high. That being said hearing about how shitty writers and vfx people are treated at Disney makes it clear what the hell is going on over there. They rushing stuff and not letting stuff time to cook. Or hiring really dumb people.
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Andor: _“What is my sacrifice? I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them. I burn my decency for someone else's future. I burn my life to make a sunrise that I know I'll never see. And the ego that started this fight will never have a mirror or an audience or the light of gratitude. So what do I sacrifice? Everything!”_
Acolyte: “the power of maaaaaaaaaaannnnyyyyyy!!!”
Brilliant
That monologue was so good, just watched it recently. Skarsguard is A+ in Andor. "Don't you want to fight these bastards, for REAL?" Chills.
"For the greater good"
"Call it what you will"
"Let's call it... War"
Greatest Speach in Star Wars History!
You could make that comparison to 99% of Star Wars writing.
Comparing Andor to other Star Wars is kind of like comparing every show to The Sopranos or Breaking Bad - its reductive and defeatist.
currently watching Andor for the first time due to word of mouth/posts and I'm really enjoying it,good SW content doesn't always have to involve the Jedi or Sith... so far,the only Disney era entries that I would recommend are Andor,Rogue One and Solo(yes,I realize that most pan it but it wasn't horrible,and it's better than what's out currently) 🤔
Solo has really improved for me over time. It’s a fun heist movie.
Solo is an odd choice but I get what you're saying
Everything you mentioned is terrible and not Star Wars.
@@JonO387lmfao yea ok boomer
@@JonO387bros living in the 1980s
I miss Andor. :(
Me too. The good news is that the second and final season will return in 2025.
Only one more season. I’ll take it, but I really want like 5 more.
I can't watch it again now that I cancelled my Disney+ subscription. That is my only regret.
@@ian8477 The high seas, my friend.
Oh what time it must have been to be alive as a _”Ferrixian”_ citizen in the galactic year of *5 BBY* and to be walking down _Rix Road_ within _”Ferrix City”_ I would yearn to embrace the _day to day_ lifestyles of the deeply bonded, pridefully conservative culture of the people living peacefully on the outer rim “Free Trade Sector” on a sparsely populated barren planet Ferrix of the Morlani system. Enjoying how simplistic every day begins and ends stoically with _”The Time Grappler”_ His civic duty as an ordinary commoner, an unremarkable human figure who embodies the unified core essence of every dependable hard working loyal residents that can hear and feel the powerful embrace of the uniquely distinctive sound of “beskar” from his rhythmic poses seen only by him wearing protective earmuffs residing next to the anvil of beskar metal that can found only on the legendary planet of _Mandalore._ Armed only with his appointed civiv hammer Using physical actions of his whole upper body to signal the days changing moments by striking the duel hammers to the surface of _”The Authoritative Anvil on High” at the top the city’s tallest bell tower on _Rix Road._ The moment the citizens hear the sound, collectively like clockwork they promptly respond relatively with the appropriate actions.
As long as you keep paying for it, you vote with your wallet in favor of this new version of StarWars. There’s noting more to say.
I subscribed to the Plus. Fine so far.
Disney presents Star Wars : Aversion to Revenue
I think Andor is good, but it makes no money. The Acolyte is insulting bad, and makes no money. Every film since TLJ has made no money (when properly accounted for). No films have dropped in 5 years. This is a very strange company.
I’m fairly certain these shows only make money for the producers. For Disney, they don’t care. They only want to churn out content regularly to keep Star Wars and Marvel in the zeitgeist to get people to go to their theme parks, where the real money is made. Storytelling, lore and quality don’t matter
Andor was the only Star Wars show where the finale had more viewers than the first episode.
It came after some really bad shows featuring famous characters, so many people just thought a show about Cassian Andor would be worse
But word of mouth is a powerful thing.
It's Ironic...Andor & Acolyte are the least divisive star wars projects. The Fandom is united in their opinions for both.
Interesting point=) You are definitely right
Andor (Awesome writing) vs Acolyte (Abysmal writing)
Usually when Stellan Skarsgard is in it you know it's gonna be good
I haven't been a fan of Disney SW, but Andor was excellent. I also liked Mando S1 and parts of Rogue 1. Everything else was a dumpster fire.
@@name-vi6fs I would like to add Tales of the Jedi, which is also excellent though short. And I find Rebels also decent.
Well, clearly not everyone shares the same taste. Kinda to be expected in an ecosystem, especially if survival is the goal. Conformity fails. I'm surprised that message hasn't gotten across better.
Exactly. There is no debate here
Andor isn’t just a great Star Wars show, it’s a great show period. The only thing from Disney that I’ve watched 2/3x over
Everything depends on Andor S2 now. Honestly, if they manage to f that up, Star Wars is done. They've alienated old guard fans like me, pissed off the Prequel era fans and failed to make a new fanbase who can support their expensive vanity projects.
It's waaaay too late for that. Andor is too niche, the viewing numbers will not be much better than S1, and they were already bad.
This franchise has been dead for a while now, it just took a lot of people some time to realize it.
@@Lt_Rik Indeed. Like Luke, many of us believed there was still good in Disney... but we see now that they are truly lost.
@@Lt_Rik I don't really care if people are too stupid to watch it. Even if ratings are low, if the show is good, it stands on it's own merits.
@@aldunlop4622 I get that, but everyone is different. For me, I can't take anything serious that happens in the same universe, where you have those silly kids on their bikes from "The Book of Boba Fett", or "The Holdo Maneuver", or anything or anyone from "The Acolyte".
@@Lt_Rik Andor actually has good ratings. The dude who reported the bad ratings corrected himself later.
I agree that Andor shines because of writing and acting. I think there may be a fatigue among general audiences from Marvel and Star Wars mediocrity, that good productions may be lumped in with the others. Moon Knight is a Marvel example much like Andor, stand alone but really good quality story and acting.
I just feel disillusioned with Disney right now. not only with star wars but Disney as a whole.
It's like all the creativity has nearly disappeared
The fact that Kyle Katarn has been spared is all I’m holding out for.
Just leave him and Jan untouched…
Same. I'm also happy Revan and the KOTOR series hasn't been touched yet. I'm actually really glad the remake is likely canceled indefinitely, given the people behind it were just as bad as the people over at the TV production side of Disney. Only thing I've enjoyed for the last few years was Andor, and once S2 is done I see no point sticking around.
Don´t touch JarJar Binks he is what I´m holding out for
D&D’s GoT Season 8: “Nobody will EVER drop the ball like we did!”
Filoni’s Star Wars: *”..hold my beer.”*
It's even more pathetic than you think. It's not that they hate Star Wars, they don't even care. They hate their dads and want to ruin what their dads liked.
I’m sorry but I reallly don’t think these types have any right to complain about being labeled “not fans”. First of all it’s not an insult and second, if you’re trying to repurpose the Jedi as the secret bad guys and push an alternative grey force user that use both sides of the force while skating on the emotional conditioning that of which was deemed a necessity under George, you’re pushing to undo so much of the crucial lore
Agreed. We shouldn’t expect coherent writing from incoherent people.
Much in the same way the myths of an entire culture based on falsehoods unravel. This show is doing a great service. It's certainly been opening my eyes to who I've been sharing a fandom with.
“Incoherent people” is uncalled for
But I still stand firmly on the importance of keeping up with George’s vision and respecting his characters. With that said, of course, the sequel trilogy doesn’t do so but rather strives to get them out of the way.
Its absurd because it’s still their story(the saga numbered episodes 1-6, now 1-9) and either way it’s a terrible note to leave these characters on
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
The Disney defenders can’t cope with the reality. Case point: 1. Rogue One. A woman is the lead. It had one of the most diverse cast. Donnie y? Legend. There was little outrage if any. Why? Because the story and acting was awesome. The Fx were good and it didn’t look like a fan made tv show. Case point 2. : Andor. Almost everyone loved it. It also had a diverse cast including. 2 lesbian characters. Was there outrage from the “toxic” fans? No. But aren’t they all racists and sexiest? Huh what happened? Neither. There was was no outrage because Andor was good. The argument that i have to be a writer to critic writing is another weak defense. The story was good, acting was top notch and it didn’t look like garbage. So all of the toxic fan accusations are just deflections. It’s easy to just call em “must be racist” when in fact, as a piece of SW entertainment, The acolyte is nothing more but cheap Disney activism at its worst. The creator sounds clueless in interviews. The cast says “Anakin destroyed the death star”. The cast is so unlikeable. And im not talking about the canon breaking shit. Had it been well done, I can guarantee you few people would have dissed it. On top, the entitled actors tone in interviews. Terrible. The solution is simple: you first, write an awesome story. Then you hire SKILLED actors. Then you hire a competent director and after all that, sure. Make them all lesbians. I don’t care. But as it is right now - this show is abysmal piece of work. 180 million. Godzilla minus 1 costs 15. Let that sink in.
Amén 🙏
While I happen to agree with your main point I think you are making it to easy for yourself with citing Rogue One and Andor as proof.
Rogue One: for the first 2/3 of the movie Jyn Erso is not the protagonist, she is just being dragged along by Andor because he needs her.
Andor: is clearly a mans world. On the rebel side Andor, Luthen Rael, Lt. Gorn (despite being nominally in charge Vel doesn't exactly exude authority on Aldhani), Saw, Anton Kregyr and finally Brasso on Ferrix. On the imperial side its Karn, Mosk, Major Pardagast. Yes, there are some strong women, Kleyta, Mon Mothma and of course Dedra as well, but Kleyta is Luthens assistent, he has the final word, Mon Mothma is being educated by Luthen for being naiv and is for the most of the show busy saving her own skin.
Which leads us to another interesting point: in Andor women need men to save them.
- Mon Mothma turns to a man to solve her financial problems.
- Brix has to be rescued by Andor.
- Deedra has to be rescued by Syril Karn on Ferrix.
And the last point is one of the few points where Andors writing is objectivly not good: how does Dedra end up in the middle of the riot and without her two deathtrooper escorts? There is no good explanation except the writers needed her in that position so "somehow it happened".
Make no mistake, I wouldn't change anything in Andor. If you tried things genderflip some of the characters (e.g. making the old scholl friend Mon turns to a woman) it just wouldn't work. I think Andor works and feels so realistic because it so closely reflects our own world. But for that same reason Andor is not the silver bullet against the disney defenders that you think it is. Ahsoka could have been the show that once and for all put that story to rest - if Ahsoka had been good (sigh).
And then you miss the point about conformity being an attribute of the Empire. Choose your allies wisely.
It's not even because Andor was good. It's because the characters were well written and never once mentioned anything about their identity, or pedastalized any of the "diverse" characters.
I don't think it's ever even mentioned what Cinta and the Waif are, it's just made clear they're a couple, and they just speak to eachother like any other couple.
That is how you do diversity without causing people like me to roll my eyes when I recognize blatant hollywood virtue signalling
@@HugoStiglitz88 Huh?
Who in the hell are these SW fans that haven't watched ANDOR? Are you all nuts? That show is freaking AWESOME
It too woke for me, I had to quit half way through 1 episode.
@@mikesmithz dude it's not woke. Especially compared to this acolyte crap. You should give it another try
@@mikesmithz The only thing that some considered woke is that the show is too anti right-wing.
There are a lot of fight against facism, imperialist, capitalism, colonialism, etc. in the show.
This is a show about Rebellion and revolution. Of course it felt woke to certain type of people.
But this show doesn't hide the fact that the Rebellion isn't full of people with good morals. Some of them did terrible things in the name of Rebellion and their actions impact other innocent people.
When did they say anything against capitalism at all? Against fascism and imperialism sure. But if you dislike it for that reason, you'd have to dislike the OT as well.
Also not even finishing the first episode? So you didn't at all give it a chance and labeled it something is definitely isant, because of some preconceived bias?
You're totally a reasonable thinker huh?
@@therecalcitrantseditionist3613 There's a flashback part with Young Cassian and Clem Andor cleaning old rusty parts while saying that why people who made the parts don't make the same old stuff anymore because those people are rather sell a brand new system at a much higher price.
Essentially a commentary to product obsolescence and how manufactured goods are made in general in today's age, instead of reusing and repairing old parts that can still be used.
Don't forget about what Nemik said: "We've grown reliant on Imperial tech, and we've made ourselves vulnerable." and how he used an old navigational tool so it can't be jammed and if it breaks he can just fix it himself. Yet another commentary about our reliance on big tech companies' products and how hard it is to fix by regular people.
And if you realize that Luthen is using custom techs for his Fondor Haulcraft makes another mark of not relying on imperial tech.
So yes, there are nods about fighting against capitalism as well.
Knowing Andor’s future does nothing to diminish his story for me. It’s the tale of how he got there that keeps me hooked.
Giving credit to Andor doesn't say anything positive about Disney. I don't know why people cannot separate their feelings and acknowledge how good of a job Tony Gilroy and co did. Saying it was brilliant doesn't change the fact that KK is shit. It proves exactly that, it was good because KK was off fucking around with other shit and Gilroy was free to do whatever he wanted. Andor being good shows you exactly why KK is a terrible producer. Be bitter all you want, hate Disney and KK, not wanting a story about Andor or the rebellion is all fair, but it was executed well to Gilroy's vision and it felt like Star Wars. All can be true at the same time. If Gilroy is free to do whatever he wants for season two I gaurantee it will be the best Star Wars to date, mark my words, we will get some legit rebel assault action.
I stopped watching after force awakens it was only recently that I started watching Andor and it was actually good with good writing and it felt like it was a star wars then I watched I Rogue one loved it and honestly these two are the only good things that came out of the disney era.
No, its the anti-fans who are killing Star Wars by making nuanced conversations nearly impossible. The current level of mediocrity with moments of brilliance is the same as Star Wars has always been. The difference is the internet. Where once the same folks would have to write to starlog to complain about George Lucas, the internet allows them to spew the same hate at the speed of their keyboard and internet connection.
I'm an old EU fan - books, comics, and games. Majority of the EU is on par with the quality of The Acolyte - mid with a mix of abysmal, weak, and decent writing - and yet its beloved especially in hindsight. The writing of the prequels and The Clone Wars series is also mostly mid with a mix of abysmal, weak, and decent writing - and yet its beloved especially in hindsight. I see a lot of people online who love a piece of Star Wars that is pretty mediocre that is now frothing at the mouth over other Star Wars that's as mediocre.
The internet has changed everything. We're in an age of extremes where art is either the best or the worst and simply being mediocre isn't tolerated by a vocal group online. We're in an age where hating is actually profitable and being an anti-fan is easy due to echo-chambers. People bandwagon like crazy - hate train or hype bus - and don't like to stick their neck out from the folks they're around.
Andor is as close to perfect as one can get. 99.99% of television is nowhere near as good as Andor S1 but that doesn't mean there isn't tons of good storytelling out there. Yet a vocal group of anti-fans and trolls tried to bring it down on social media but they ultimately stopped, probably around the prison arc, because the show was so good they realized they looked like complete idiots.
IMO The Acolyte so far is just...okay, for me the cringe moments haven't outweighed the cool aspects and the potential. The degree of hate its receiving online is disturbing - its not the people that dislike it (cause disliking something is fine) but its the intensity, its the hostility and belligerence from many of those who dislike it towards the actors and the creators and other fans who are mid on it or enjoying it.
I actually just realized that Andor is it's own show lol. with asoka and the acolyte I grouped it in with the A's I guess haha. And I grew up watching the original trilogy on VHS in its cool gold case. Shows you how much THIS original Star Wars fan cares!
As a fan who loved Rouge One, I'm also a huge fan of Andor. There's a very old school gritty vibe these installments bring. Also, from what I've heard is that the last few episodes of Andor will tie into Rouge One. Needless to say I will be watching everything back to back.
5:20 Yes It's about the people fighting against the oppression, but in the center of it all is Cassian Andor. He kickstarted the whole story, if it weren't for his knowledge and skills. the Aldhani heist would've failed. Pretty sure he also has the most screentime and we we're following *his* story for most of the time. I can understand that it could be because people think Diego Luna's acting in the show wasn't anything superb compared to Luthen and Kino but that's the point of his character, someone who lays low and not trying to attract attention, one thing that everybody missed is how Cassian is always analyzing, looking around, it's that quietness of his attitude that makes him special to me.
i liked andor as well
I thought that Fiona Shaw did a great job in Andor as well. It really does help to get some experienced actors on board.
Are there actually people who think these shows are in any sort of competition?
There's literally nothing good about the Acolyte
Andor is the best writing star wars has ever had and has been handled impossibly well for a Disney show.
Acolyte is bad even for a Disney show.
There is no comparison 😂😂😂
Honestly, even if it was the greatest fight in cinematic history, Kenobi would have still been a letdown that's only an excuse to bring back Kenobi and Anakin to beat on each other.
Kind of like what some oil baron’s kid would produce for his birthday party.
Love your og channel and this side one, keep up the good work. It's refreshing to hear
It's telling that one of the memorable moments of Andor for OG Star Wars fans was Luthien's "speech"? Consider that for a moment? One of the most memorable scenes was a character's monologue?! Gilroy might not have been a hardcore fan of Star Wars, but he certainly gets it. Headland clearly does not.
And I don't hate Headland or anyone else for creating a Star Wars show, but I don’t have to watch or like it either.
And or is the best thing Disney has accidentally made
There are fans the movies (George Lucas), and fans of the games (Obsidian and BioWare). If you dislike Lucas's morals, you'll hate the Jedi in the movies.
I don't see a problem with the Acolyte but I am coming to the realization that I have been sharing a fandom with people whose views are in close alignment with those of the Empire rather than the Republic. Guess they really don't consider the stylistic differences between The Acolyte and Andor as a mirror of the zeitgeist in their respective times. It's really quite unsettling that deep down so many people are as dense, rigid, aggressive, and conformist as they are.
@@conscientiousobjector5988 the original star wars movies are based on medieval chivalrous tales with their morals replaced with Lucas's personal convictions.
We know that the intention is that Luke and the Jedi order are the good guys.
But, the modern interpretation is far more interesting. The idea of there is a center where the force is gray, that there are good and bad Sith and Jedi. That there are good and bad Republicans and Imperials. That's closer to humanity than Lucas's personal little story where he worships his own morals.
I haven't watched the new movies or watched the shows though. I just think it's silly that anyone would just dismiss the other perspective.
Definitely on board for Andor season 2, would probably give Ahsoka season 2 a shot, would give Mando another shot, but that's prolly about it.
*What could’ve been:*
✅ Sith perspective story similar to Darth Plagueis or Darth Bane novels; Sith warrior and inquisitor stories from SWTOR.
✅ Mature and grounded story similar to Andor but with the mysticism of the Dark Side. In-depth look at Sith philosophy as we follow a master/apprentice two vs an entire galaxy story.
✅ Well-written Sith protagonists part of a two-person organization in a thousand-year conspiracy to upset the Galactic status-quo.
✅ New Star Wars timeline.
Reality:
❌ The Acolyte…. “The power of one, the power of two. The power of many.”
"I want to be evil, therefore those who prohibit evil are the bad ones."
What?
@@conscientiousobjector5988it's an acolyte quote 😂 now so you see why the show is getting torn to shreds and made fun of?
@@HugoStiglitz88 Viewership is fine. I know why I am defending it though. I've had enough enjoyment taken out of my life. The show isn't perfect but few things are. I won't let someone's thoughts on what it should be become the enemy of what I perceive to be good.
@@HugoStiglitz88 It's not an acolyte quote, it's just a summation of people like Headland and her fans, who think Jedi are bad and Sith are merely an alternative.
Very well said. I binged ANDOR on BD last weekend and thought it outstanding. Definitely “Star Wars for adults” (like a hard PG-13).
I think it was successful partly because: no Jedi, no Force, barely any stormtroopers, etc. Instead: A story, B story, C story, keeping you shifting around so never “okay I’m tired of this thread.” Production design, superb. Costuming, set dressing, props superb. VFX, just what was needed, not a bit more. I may buy it on UHD BD just so I can watch those “great moments” again (incl. the Luthen speech you mention).
Wouldn’t be an absolute HOOT if ANDOR S2 is a wild success, busts the viewer count, gets lots of positive reviews. (Disney/LFL/Kennedy will probably blame “maie lead, mail viewers” despite Mon Mothma having such a big role in S1.)
The naming convention that you brought up at the end of this video is insightful and I never really gave it much thought. The fact that Disney Star Wars are labeling these shows after one character maybe indicative of the narcissistic culture that has gripped much of Disney, where everything is about the individual.
Andor is called Andor because it is Diego Luna’s baby-And although it is an ensemble, Andor is the jumping off point. Plus for marketing it links back to Rogue One
What bothers me the most about this is I used to love Disney through my wife, and now shes gone and so is the Disney she loved so much. It sucks so damn much.
The Jazz and classical music comparison was made by an interviewer and Dave passively agreed with him he didn't actually make that remark himself and I actually agree in part because the Star Wars lore at this point has so many tears and crossovers it's impossible to find a ground level
To paraphrase a different franchise: "The canon be more like a guideline."
I think there were 2 main factors that hurt Andor as a series, the title of the show, as you have stated should have been Rebellion or rise of the rebellion and the fact it was released on disney+. cause honestly subscribtion services suck. I didn't watch Andor when it was released because I did not want to get disney+ but I bought it on blue ray the moment it was released to support the show specificaly
I can't wait for Andor to show so I can quit Disney SW immediately after I watch it. I'm going to go back and catch up on all the Legends stuff I missed.
Im a Star Wars fan. Have been since I saw Return of the Jedi when I was 4 at a drive in. The day they (Disney) made the Zahn trilogy not cannon was the day I decided to ignore anything else they did.
Andor S2 is the only upcoming Star Wars TV show that has properly set expectations.
Everything else is unproven or rocky. Mando, Ahsoka, Acolyte... I have no hope for these shows to impress me anymore. I've seen what Filoni and Kennedy are willing to excrete onto D+ and it's just sad.
I used to crave more Star Wars media. I grew up in the prequel era, watched Clone Wars as a kid, played all the video games. When I heard that they were doing TV shows, with the Mandalorian as a testbed, I was intrigued. Found interest in the TV show, enjoyed it.
Then little by little, my expectations submerged. Mando S2 felt more off, then we Book of Boba Fett, Kenobi, Mando S3, Ahsoka... Every show having clear deficiencies, some of them notoriously obvious.
Andor squeaked in just past Kenobi. Wow. What a gamechanger. Completely altered my desires for Star Wars. Gave me something absolutely captivating. Who knew that good writing, acting, and directing creates a fantastic show?
Depth, nuance, dilemmas, punchy action, stirring speeches, and side characters I care about. It's literally a show that focuses on the classic trope of every Star Wars character having a name. And then just runs with it. And you know what, it works.
It feels like a pure version of Star Wars that is solely focused on it's vision. Then you get the Acolyte, which failed to learn anything from Andor. I don't care about most of the characters, neither does the show it seems. Wacky dialogue, bizarre turns, and a mystery that is already on it's last legs because the initial intrigue about the current murder mystery was shot down, and I almost don't even care what happened to the witches. Where is the proper use of intrigue, the side characters that feel alive, intelligence in the motivations... It's just frustrating to see how something that should have had a thorough revision gets released and peddled as a tv show worth the name of Star Wars but yet again fails at the writing.
And it ties all these neat ideas together. Cortosis in a TV show, a Sith Lord just prior to Palpatine's rise, cracks in the Jedi's power and moral authority, and actually fleshing out what the High Republic is supposed to be like. And it's all underutilized or gimmicky. I don't think that Jedi have blank passes to be good. There's been portrayals of them that are not always the best. Acolyte beats around that bush. But it has failed to properly show why someone would not like the order. The Old Republic featured Jedi having weaknesses in their beliefs.
It's where Revan came from, he got tired of their passive ways. Mandalorians are raiding the galaxy. He felt that it was necessary to intervene, even against the Council's wishes. The Council did not wish for the Jedi to lose their way (as the Jedi in the prequels have done), so you get a really cool parallel.
But not here. Just some vague talk about political enemies and keeping things hidden. No pushback from Sol, which would have been interesting to see. Where is the drama?! It's like the script went well jedi are supposed to be controversial in our show, so they are.
Wow. Brilliant.
Disney Star Wars is 𝘯𝘰𝘵 real Star Wars.
If you honestly think the Star Wars universe is as simple as “The Jedi are good. The End.” Then YOU are the one who doesn’t understand the universe, especially the prequel trilogy and the clone wars show that showcase how the Jedi allowed democracy to die and the Empire to rise of the ashes of the Republic due to their own incompetence,arrogance and negligence. They are NOT all good, and that just makes them more complex and interesting characters and whoever doesn’t understand this is quite frankly intellectually challenged to say the least.
The only Disney Star Wars I would watch is Andor Season 2, but I would watch it with my guard up.
People said George Lucas raped my childhood after the prequels came out. Nothing new about complaining about Acolyte. Andor was good and I'll watch the 2nd season of that for sure.
I started reading the "Legacy" Star Wars series. I began with 4 ABY to cleanse my palate from Disney Wars. I've read five books in one week, and I'm halfway through the first Rogue Squadron book. 😊 This is Star Wars. I'm going chronologically after Return of the Jedi, then will probably go back to the beginning.
Audiobooks are the best because they incorporate background music and sound effects into the story, making it more immersive.
1:08 I mean, a lot of the older, older Star Wars fans absolutely Hated the Prequels like a bunch of man children.
So it’s funny seeing them in the same boat at the Disney shills now. 🤣
The treatment of Star Wars and Star Trek in the last 20 years is why i am so grateful to Denis Villenauve for Dune.
The fundamental problem with productions like the Acolyte is that they think if they can portray the good guys as bad guys then that means it's a more complex and therefore better story. Not only do they need to understand at what point in time this is taking place if the way they're doing is cheap and right off the bat they're not making a complex story weighing out different issues and complex arcs. They're making points of propaganda to get cheap sympathy for whoever the other side is without earning it.
Short and sweet. Thank you...
The only fans left are the ones who think Anakin blew up the Deathstar.
Spot on.
3:28 Preach Sister … Preach
Some "Jazz" although loose in formal structure, interpretive and improvisational, still has rules to follow, tuning and musical notes.
There is no Venn diagram that includes both Tony Gilroy and Leslye Headland. Canon or not, good storytelling is required to maintain a fanbase. Disney is a corporate juggernaut and the lunatics (the suits) are running the asylum there. We're all lucky we even saw Andor come to life.
I love Andor, it's well written and acted, the sets actually look phenomenal, and the story is great, but ultimately for me it has a few problems. It's VERY grim, there's almost no light-heartedness to break up the tension, and ultimately, it's a sequel to a sequel. We know what the ending is, more or less. That's why I hate sequels. This is a major problem with all franchises at the moment, they CAN'T just move forward! I would LOVE to see a Star Wars story with Andor's level of skill in production set a hundred years in the future, canonically, and just start a new storyline. The Skywalker Saga has just been milked to death by Disney. I don't want a Mandalorian and Grogu movie, or a Rey stealing Luke's arc story. They don't have the creative talent or courage to do that though, so I have no hope for Disney.
We shouldn’t expect coherent writing from incoherent people.
The Fandom Wars on all are favorite Entertainment is happening. People put in charge who don't respect the material.
IMO, The Acolyte is not terrible, but it's also not good. At least from footage from the second half of the season shows more action.
I haven't seen any episodes of Andor yet, but it definitely looks better than The Acolyte
Regarding canon and continuity, Star Wars and Star Trek fans suddenly have a lot in common these days.
Canon and continuity shouldn't be treated as liberally as it is. It's there to keep you immersed and engaged, and I don't understand how the writers have become so lazy. It's really not that hard to rewatch the older stuff if you have trouble remembering who the good guys are.
Narkina 5, Aldoni raid, and the funeral procession alone were signs of competent writers can work at Disney. Why is everything else still shit?
Andor was awesome. Honestly, if Episode VI is fine, I don't see the problem with any of the rest
Post George Lucas:
Loved - Andor and Mando s1
Liked - Solo and Book of Boba Fett (sentimental reasons, I probably overrate these two)
Sharp Decline - Kenobi Mando s2-3
Disliked: Rey Trilogy
Hate: Acolyte
You hit the nail on the head.
Disney hates star wars but the new fans are welcome to join the shit show. Kenobi was nice seeing ewan mcgregor and that was about it unfortunately. If you really wanna get mad you should hear how some of these shows almost turned out. Disney constantly picks the worst version of stories
It's frustrating to watch shows on other networks like FX, HBO, or even Amazon Prime and see a better product that includes a well written script, actual character development, and tell a heroes journey. All of these shows feature strong female characters who have to overcome obstacles and adapt to the harsh environments they are set in. I think of strong female characters like Mariko in Shōgun (FX), multiple female characters in the Game of Thrones series (HBO), or Lucy in Fallout (Prime). Lucasfilm has the capital and means to produce great content like this but remains woefully ignorant to its existing audience in making aggressively mediocre content for an audience that Parrot Analitics data proves doesn't exist.
Main man to blame is Jar Jar Abrams . It wasn't just Kathleen Kennedy's fault with the Lucasfilm franchise . Jar Jar Abrams was with her decisions
The Acolyte makes me want to open an unencrypted deep space communication to contact The Borg with a message, Come get me *Please* I wont resist. I promise, but for the of God just get here quick.
I don't think a lot of these people are fans as much as they see Star Wars as a "platform" for propagating their own views or ideas.
Since the Last Jedi all went down the drain. I just don't care anymore by now and watch it for "fun".. just to see how bad it is. It never amazes on that level.
If it has no more connected Universe then why should i keep watching all of it?
What decline. More people have watched Acolyte than Andor. The Acolyte so far is pretty good (like Ashoka more)
You can’t really compare Andor and Acolyte.
Andor and the Mandalorian are the 2 best series.
Andor is great to me, I have not seen Rogue One so I don't know his fate
For me, the fan created YTs on Stormtroopers are more clever, witty and engaging than that produced by Disney.
Such a click bait title for an OPINION piece.
Disney sees the Jedi
The way Andor sees the Empire
The defenders of Acolyte are haters of Star Wars.
The Crapolyte is good. THE END
You're right tho. The jedi are the good guys. Wait till they find out what the sith have done in the old republic lmao.
But every show needs to strive to be as good as andor.
Andor was probably really good, but Disney has burned all its good will. The Mandalorian was good, until the last season. The acolyte will probably be the nail in the coffin, but maybe it’ll be this Mandalorian wrap up movie. The fans just don’t want to show up for it.
Thank you !
I just don't even bother with Disney. It's not real Star Wars. Not that the EU is perfect, by any means. But at least I can curate my own canon with my friends and communities.
You know, I just realised in the thumbnail for this video: she looks like a knock-off Assassin's Creed character.
The empire is the fucking cops
Acolyte = “Shite” (a Scottish term but oh so apt here - just imagine Billy Connolly saying it) in fact after eps I won’t be going back to it. Andor for myself is on the right path but I’ve told the wife to end the Disney sub - there’s nothing to watch.
Dune 2 also cost about the same, HoTD has a similar budget, I am so curious why the disparity in quality?
Take it easy on Disney. They are a small indie company after all. They don't have experience in handling so much money yet.
The answer is actually really simple, it comes down to who is making the project. Dune was made by a director who was a fan of the source material who has also proved himself to not just be competent, but also revolutionary. Dune was made was made because a small group of people wanted to tell the story of Dune and knew the studio would fund it because it would probably make money. These Star wars shows are a completely different thing, they're being made to make as much money as possible, it's not about quality at all. It's not even about telling a great story, the purpose of the story in these Star wars shows is all political, it's not even to tell a great story. Always look into who is making the film and why, that's going to be your best indicator of a quality work of film
@@jevinday Well said :)
Disney star wars fell the moment that they decided to rewrite the script that had Luke Skywalker as the main driving character in episode 7. They took him out and put rey as the main character so soon. That's when things begin to fall apart. The last Jedi put a nail in the potential of correcting the course of action. Rise of Skywalker crap on everything that GL created as the lore. Mando season 2 ending was that last minute hail Mary save with the return of Luke Skywalker to take Grogo for training. But then Disney lucasfilm made a business decision to bring baby Yoda back to sell toys. That destroyed any Goodwill. All of the Disney plus shows help to destroy the morality of star wars because the wrong people was hired who had no respect for the characters and lore.Everything is now about their personal ideas and agendas for star wars. The idea of furthering the stories of George Lucas is no longer the main prime directives.
lukes a white male disney cant have him as the main hero 🤣
@@bb-gc2tx The way how GL wrote Luke Skywalker as a character. He was able to connect with any person who felt like him in New hope. Luke was seen as themselves. .Every different races can be Luke Skywalker. That was the beautiful thing about star wars . The writing of the character the hero journey is what made Luke Skywalker so relatable as a character. The new age Disney just don't understand that .
@@BigdogGaming-sm3lj so so true great comment
Disney/ Lucasfilm I have stories to out pace The Infinity Saga, give Hope a chance to pitch! Have Hope fans!
Marvel and star wars are in a funny spot where
Marvel cant seem to make anything better than daredevil. Star wars cant seem to make anything better than Andor. Which in retrospect is kind of a good thing because they set the bar so high.
That being said hearing about how shitty writers and vfx people are treated at Disney makes it clear what the hell is going on over there. They rushing stuff and not letting stuff time to cook. Or hiring really dumb people.
I refuse to watch a Disney + show thats less than 55 minutes of real time action
There is a fandom left?
There could be...
I will watch season 2 it seems like greed is running the show.
they're good but also too sure of themselves which makes them arrogant
Andor was fantastic.
You're right tho. The jedi are the good guys. Wait till they find out what the sith have done in the old republic lmao.
I hate Disney, for life.