Might not be happening quite yet for 2025 bikes... but would love to see some manufacturer brands using the Bafang motors. The video you redently released at the Bafang motor plant was amazing and sold me on their motors and batteries! Cheers
For me the ZF motor with the lifetime warranty is massive! ZF gearbixes for high end sports cars have been industry leading for many years, this motor in that small package will be just the beginning, they will be the next to perfect the motor / gearbox combination unit and it will also come with a lifetime warranty I reckon!!
Thanks for another great Trade show Stevie! It';s simply unreal how many Bike Mfg'ers there are now. It seemed when I started racing and riding in the mid 80's, there were only a handful of builders...
DJI, MGM, ZF, and Pinion are the true breakouts in tech. Bosch, Brose, Shimano(especially). I think where they could be innovative is customer retention. Loyalty. Through repair, parts, replacement guidance. Add value to your product for your current customers. Also, it will add resale value. Example. If a ZF motor has a lifetime warranty, imagine if it's transferable. How will you compete? Race results, some silly updates that everyone has, some weight reduction, noise level, TH-cam hype? I think not. Not with this new competition. The only manufacturer "safe" is Bafang. Why? Loyalty.
This might be a new Bosch motor, however they agreed to hide it for now because dealers have a lot of bikes in storage which might be even harder to sell when there is a new motor available. On the other hand they wanted to allow the brands to showcase their bikes with this motor. At least it is what they've said
Got the new Bosch update today in the UK (1.22.7). I definitely need to get the TRP eShift derailleur now, haha. But the AI added to the range is interesting, and thank God we can now change the Purion 200 screens in the app.
My eco range jumped over 10 miles from like 54 to to over 64 on full charge (625wh). And the other settings proportionally. Not sure if accurate. Time will tell.
Hey how come I‘ve never seen anything about Megamo bikes on your channel? 🤓 I‘ve seen some around recently but there‘s very few reviews. Would appreciate if you could give us your opinion on them 😁
this is all nice and good, but it is about time we had some standardization in eMTB world. First of all batteries - these should be standard connector, size and voltage - it is consumable part of bike, and customers should not be stuck with useless bike that manufacturers wont sell new batteries for after 3-5 years. Same deal with motors - either standard mounting points and sizes or 10 years+ repairability guarantee. Why pay 5, 10 or 15k for bike, that won't be serviceable in 5 years and manufacturer will tell you to buy new one? That is not ok. You may say "when you buy a car you don't expect to be able to swap engine" - to that I say "I expect to be able to fix the car for pretty much as long as I want, which is not the case with eMTB
EXACTly you are 850% right ,with 105n/m of force in reason. but they deal with us ,customers like cattle for slaughter .We dont have rights to them only money .Lets see if some manufactor point in that way to gain market share and brand trust ,giving real support to their products without simply asking to buy a new part.Right to repair no less than 10 years
I Had a New BMW M135I With ZF Auto Gearbox and it Lasted 3 Months !!!!!!!!.So Dont Go Thinking ZF is the Master of Engineering as The Fault Was Still in Production Cars Years Latter as They Did Not Know How To Fix it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lets Waite and See How Good it is First Before Jumping on the ZF is the Best Bandwagon!
Great to see new developments and smaller lighter motors and batteries, but there also needs to be some standardisation of motor mounts or adaptors so you can mix and match just like all the other parts. And the motors need to be warranted through the bike company. They have chosen to do business with the motor supplier, not you. It is just seen as a lack of customer service.
Yeah it doesn't take them anytime now days to dial the bikes because of 3d printers & part machines! The questions is which is better then other for a atleast a week until you're advertising more! 😂
@@embn it is the CX motor, but there is only one version that is new. the lightweight. just you all wait for the cx5. the cx4 is already a very okay motor
Way too many emtb manufacturers, small volumes sold hence high prices needed to survive. This is like the beginning of the auto industry. Bankruptcies and consolidation….and quality Chinese bikes will solve this over time - can’t come too soon !
Everything new is already out of date compared to the Euro bike components category winner: DJI. Must feel like a waste of time for Steve and crew showing everything else.
@embn yeah don't worry I will - I was only kind of kidding. Love the show! But damn the DJI bike is a game changer. 10 lbs lighter than my Rocky with the same power! I now follow DJI on Twitter. Interesting company.
bosch makes the worst products ive ever used before i gave up on them it seems every product was defective out of the box and never worked right on the rare occasions i end up with one of there products it wont last the first use absolute junk i would exspect there bike motors are the same quality complete garbage
The focus on off-road eBikes is comical!! You guys are a bunch of muppets. 80-90% of eBikes are road & commute plays. NOT climbing everest! lol! Talk about what matters not marketing bikes & industry hubris.
Industry needs to stop claiming >30kg monstrosities with >2,6" tires are bicycles just because they have pedals instead of pegs. They're moped/motorcycles.
What do you want to see more of on Day 3 of EUROBIKE 2024?
More reliable motors.
Showing the cheaper brands but then going to the $500 ebikes wich are now what you want in terms of reliability and quality
Might not be happening quite yet for 2025 bikes... but would love to see some manufacturer brands using the Bafang motors. The video you redently released at the Bafang motor plant was amazing and sold me on their motors and batteries! Cheers
More serviceable and reliable motors with parts availability. Till then I’ll stay with my non motor 23 stumpjumper
Full suspension fat tired emtbs if there any that on par with bikes like the Stance E, Trubo levo and the likes if you know what I mean.
One thing you learn watching these videos, there are n+1 bike companies - more than you could imagine existing.
Also think of the ebike brands that aren't present at Eurobike 😅
Steve Jones is the consummate expert on eBikes, amazingly informed commentaries well done Sir!
For me the ZF motor with the lifetime warranty is massive! ZF gearbixes for high end sports cars have been industry leading for many years, this motor in that small package will be just the beginning, they will be the next to perfect the motor / gearbox combination unit and it will also come with a lifetime warranty I reckon!!
Water proofing and reliability is the most important thing to me for any system . I want it to just work like my Honda CB500F :)
Waterproofing, spare parts, repairability…. words not in the the emtb world’s lexicon
I saw a video of a Stark Varg electric MX bike jumping in water, would never do that with my Bosch motor, already learned that the hard way... 😢
@@GC16199 How wet did your Bosch get that it affected it? I have a Bosch and am super scared of getting it wet, even rain when transporting.
Me too
Thanks for another great Trade show Stevie! It';s simply unreal how many Bike Mfg'ers there are now. It seemed when I started racing and riding in the mid 80's, there were only a handful of builders...
DJI, MGM, ZF, and Pinion are the true breakouts in tech. Bosch, Brose, Shimano(especially). I think where they could be innovative is customer retention. Loyalty. Through repair, parts, replacement guidance. Add value to your product for your current customers. Also, it will add resale value. Example. If a ZF motor has a lifetime warranty, imagine if it's transferable. How will you compete? Race results, some silly updates that everyone has, some weight reduction, noise level, TH-cam hype? I think not. Not with this new competition. The only manufacturer "safe" is Bafang. Why? Loyalty.
@@johngreason9964 - English sentences would be easier to follow😂
im so glad you covered all the smaller brands and especially the better value ones for certain price brackets
Sometimes the greatest innovations come from the smaller companies 🤘
That insane rust bike was so cool hahahaha, so much character. I'd totally ride that around town.
Incredible bike, @dangerholm is always so creative with his builds!
@@embn is there a link to the Rook M-780
Is there a link to the Rook M-780 emtb? Listed at 8:17
9:28 DYNEM is Crazy 🔥🔥🔥🔥
This might be a new Bosch motor, however they agreed to hide it for now because dealers have a lot of bikes in storage which might be even harder to sell when there is a new motor available. On the other hand they wanted to allow the brands to showcase their bikes with this motor. At least it is what they've said
@@haemmertime it’s listed on a lot of 2025 bikes (bdu375)
Time for TQ to up the power on that thing! It’s the best fitting motor just needs more grunt!
VERY VERY COOL. Thanks for sharing.
A lot in here Jonesy! well done. Cheers.
So much to see, thanks for watching!
9:29 dynem is what i m looking for they are coming up with crazy stuff.😍
9:28 dynem is having something crazy stuff over there ❤
Love the intergrated rear shock on the Scott Voltage 900 SL, it looks the business!
It does look great!
it just make it more complicate to do base maintenance lol, worthless
Folle intégration pour des mécanos qui pleurent
@@zayon0170 surely their will be a way to maintain it otherwise it would be a pain. Still looks awesome though
@ DYNEM is Crazy. Will definetly ride the bike with so innovative features.
Dynem seem to be the most interesting software to showcase 9:28🎉
This is amazing
1:40 Pinion MGU does that already.
Any news from Bosch and wattage/cad broadcast to Garmin head unit or linkk between Bosch cloud to Garin Connect?
10:20 Ananda motor. My e-bike has a m100 Ananda Motor and I love it. 😊
DYNEM 🔥
That Bosch CX you pointed out at the end physically looks like the SX. maybe we’re gonna get a 750w peak 85nm SX??
Got the new Bosch update today in the UK (1.22.7). I definitely need to get the TRP eShift derailleur now, haha. But the AI added to the range is interesting, and thank God we can now change the Purion 200 screens in the app.
My eco range jumped over 10 miles from like 54 to to over 64 on full charge (625wh). And the other settings proportionally. Not sure if accurate. Time will tell.
The pants guy again!!! Dude 😂
At least we don't see his stupid tattoos
Hey how come I‘ve never seen anything about Megamo bikes on your channel? 🤓
I‘ve seen some around recently but there‘s very few reviews.
Would appreciate if you could give us your opinion on them 😁
I hate TH-camrs calling out people walking through- the priority is what is happening in real life not them getting a shot for their channel
Do you really like the Giant Stance? Its hard to tell when the review is sponsored. Ive had it for a year and absolutely love it
It was interesting that he updated us on the bike after submersion. Most of us were wondering the longer term effects.
Bosch better start giving people the option of switching off the limiter otherwise they going to loose out big time to other brands
this is all nice and good, but it is about time we had some standardization in eMTB world. First of all batteries - these should be standard connector, size and voltage - it is consumable part of bike, and customers should not be stuck with useless bike that manufacturers wont sell new batteries for after 3-5 years. Same deal with motors - either standard mounting points and sizes or 10 years+ repairability guarantee. Why pay 5, 10 or 15k for bike, that won't be serviceable in 5 years and manufacturer will tell you to buy new one? That is not ok. You may say "when you buy a car you don't expect to be able to swap engine" - to that I say "I expect to be able to fix the car for pretty much as long as I want, which is not the case with eMTB
EXACTly you are 850% right ,with 105n/m of force in reason. but they deal with us ,customers like cattle for slaughter .We dont have rights to them only money .Lets see if some manufactor point in that way to gain market share and brand trust ,giving real support to their products without simply asking to buy a new part.Right to repair no less than 10 years
Can anyone tell me where i can find a link to that rook ebike even shipped to canada that would be an incredible deal
Could we look forward to Steve competing in a complete emtb race in the future????😊😊😊.
I Had a New BMW M135I With ZF Auto Gearbox and it Lasted 3 Months !!!!!!!!.So Dont Go Thinking ZF is the Master of Engineering as The Fault Was Still in Production Cars Years Latter as They Did Not Know How To Fix it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets Waite and See How Good it is First Before Jumping on the ZF is the Best Bandwagon!
Why cant we find nothing about Rook M-780 on the internet?
Dynem bike - built in security and battery consumption calculator… 👍
Maxon Switzerland, like the guys that developed the motors for the Mars Rovers? 😮
you brain is working overtime ---- you have one---wow
11:54What is this being?😅
Great to see new developments and smaller lighter motors and batteries, but there also needs to be some standardisation of motor mounts or adaptors so you can mix and match just like all the other parts. And the motors need to be warranted through the bike company. They have chosen to do business with the motor supplier, not you. It is just seen as a lack of customer service.
DJI
❤👍
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if only 'molicell' made ebike battery packs (21700 cells)
Molicels are designed for ecig...
@@nicod974 Battery Mooch tests mate, all cells compared (ecig or not)
I wouldn't watch this channel if Steve Jones ever leaves.
What about MGU bikes? Anytime I see a derailleur it feels like a relic of the past. MGU bikes or nothing I say. 😂
Life-time oil bath in automotive means, it's good until it's not. Life-time reached.
NO Bikes from China or India, please...
why？
@@奥巴牛 Garbage... There is many Trouble with the BIG Brands... what would you do if a Motor from India makes some Trouble? Send it to them?
@@Rideoak The DJI is very cool
@@奥巴牛 Yes, it is. Maybe a BAFANG!?
@@Rideoak DJI produces its own motors, which are stable and reliable.
Yeah it doesn't take them anytime now days to dial the bikes because of 3d printers & part machines!
The questions is which is better then other for a atleast a week until you're advertising more! 😂
Everyone trying to go lightweight. I just want more range.
bruh, the light e-mtb motor Bosch CX is already announced AAAGES ago, what is this "news"? its not new!
Are you talking about the the SX motor? The motor that was showcased at Eurobike appeared to be the same size as the SX but have a CX plate on it 🤔
@@embn it is the CX motor, but there is only one version that is new. the lightweight.
just you all wait for the cx5.
the cx4 is already a very okay motor
Way too many emtb manufacturers, small volumes sold hence high prices needed to survive. This is like the beginning of the auto industry. Bankruptcies and consolidation….and quality Chinese bikes will solve this over time - can’t come too soon !
I remember when full sus took off there were so many linkage versions it was ridiculous.
Only Scott could make a TQ motor bike look fat
If you ever get the opportunity to test ride it, you’ll wish you had one after the ride. 😉
Nobody use brose motors anymore
uses vs use. Specialized does. Sram does.
Everything new is already out of date compared to the Euro bike components category winner: DJI. Must feel like a waste of time for Steve and crew showing everything else.
The DJI motor is very cool but there's so much to see at Eurobike, keep watching there's bound to be interesting stuff!
@embn yeah don't worry I will - I was only kind of kidding. Love the show! But damn the DJI bike is a game changer. 10 lbs lighter than my Rocky with the same power! I now follow DJI on Twitter. Interesting company.
Menudos atrasados; bicicletas con desviadores traseros.😂😂😂😂😂
bosch makes the worst products ive ever used before i gave up on them it seems every product was defective out of the box and never worked right on the rare occasions i end up with one of there products it wont last the first use absolute junk i would exspect there bike motors are the same quality complete garbage
Can't afford to buy any of them. So totally irrelevant as far as I can see😢
The focus on off-road eBikes is comical!! You guys are a bunch of muppets. 80-90% of eBikes are road & commute plays.
NOT climbing everest! lol!
Talk about what matters not marketing bikes & industry hubris.
Industry needs to stop claiming >30kg monstrosities with >2,6" tires are bicycles just because they have pedals instead of pegs. They're moped/motorcycles.
No they are not. Not even close to a motorcycle😂😂😂
My Cannondale Moterra Carbon 1 that I race locally in the E-MTB class feels NOTHING like my Yamaha R1 & Suzuki SV650. It’s silly to think this.
No they are not. And i only ride Bio MTB for 42 Years now.
u r so lost lol
Show me a motorcycle under 30kg