Diagnose A VP44 or ECM Problem w/ a Break Out Box Tool
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- A breakout box is a critical piece of electrical test equipment used to support integration testing, expedite maintenance, and streamline the troubleshooting process at the system, subsystem, and component level by simplifying the access to test signals. Thoroughbred Diesel provides these tools to make it easier for you at home to diagnose problems with your truck and get back with us with the results. This tool gives you the power of a professional mechanic without a professional mechanic price.
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0:00 Break Out Box
0:40 Overview
2:13 How To Use The Tool
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Great information!! Thanks for every video because to me all are very informative and at the same time I enjoy every single one of them
Glad you enjoy them!
Thank you for this Wade. Very informative for a VP44 tech such as myself.
Very welcome!
Another great video.
I appreciate that!
Great product guys. Where is the best place to get a ECM
Okay I have. 2001 Dodge Ram 2500 24v, I have replaced ecm, fass 165, new engine harness, and new injection pump! So my problem is when I unplug the vp44 & run a ground from the injection pump plug in to the battery and it will start right up! If I plug the injection pump back in it will not start!
Hello, the same is used in 12v and 24 v system
I have a hard start warm or hot. Cold start 1st in the morning, fine
Would it help me diagnose my 02 24v getting stuck at high rpm then getting dead pedal after going on the highway when its colder out? I t starts fine though. After I turn off and let sit for a minutes and start back up, the rpm settles back down to normal idle.
Hi Will this also work on a ford transit vp30 pump, I'm having starting issues.
After a hard wired test my truck starts right up, so I'm looking up for a ECM issue.. so do your own research and look for pin 6 and 7 from vp44 and run a fuse wire straight to the battery and a negative and it's the same with this attachment.. easy
More research is always good.
Could this tell is the ecm is burned to give the truck a dead pedal. I have replaced the vp44 and the lift pump I have cleaned the tank filled it up and I miss throttle at 1200-1700 rpm
Noticed a belt sqeak at shut off....time to change that belt and idler tension wheel. Cool product...
All Cummins make that squeak when shut off..
@@Dishtech48 mine doesn't anymore with a new idler wheel that provides proper tension...☝️ and didn't when I bought it new 21 years ago
is this applicable to nissan patrol zd30 y61 vp44 injection pump and how much to avail
Quick question... I have a 2001 and the fuel pressure port is on the back side of the fuel filter housing. Is this an OK place to ck the pressure? I assume this is pressure before the filter. Or is it after? Thanks for the help!
That’s ok and yes it will be a pre filter test. You can move that to the pump side by just swapping
I am in the beginning phases of learning about the VP-44. I have one in my motorhome. Does any or all of this info transfer to the motorhome applications?
Yes, same system just in a different chassis.
This box work with VP30 and where do I buy this box?
Hello I have a 19995.9 VP 44. How do you?
Determine if you have a bad e. C. M.
Thank you for any help. Watch your videos always.
Hello! There are several different ECM failure modes, elevated idle, ECM codes, truck wont stat, etc.
Thank you very much.
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Hi, Thanks for the video... I have a question, should pin 5 (fuel shut off) be permanently powered to allow the engine to start and by pushing the stop button the power is interrupted causing the engine to stop or does it work the other way around i.e. for the engine to run no power is to be present and then my introducing power to pin 5 while the engine is running it is stopped ?? Thanks in advance.
No, pin#5 should be close to 0V in order VP44 to run. When you want to shut it down then you send 12/24V to that pin#5. You see the harness connector, there are 4 pins wired, 6,7,5 and 4. 6 and 7 are supply voltage, 5 is for shutting the pump off and 4 is low idle select.
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Can it be used as a emergency by pass for getting you to a repair shop ?
It will only idle, it will not allow you to get to highway speed.
How can you check fuel pump 97 Freightliner Cummins 5.9 Winnebago Vectra motorhome codes 111 and 368
Does it have a VP44 engine in it? I am not aware of those codes but if you can get us descriptions of the codes, we can help. If its VP44, as always check lift pump pressure.
Can you send me the wiring diagram for this box and the swchears forit
Does the VP 44 sense the temperature when it is cooler and compensate with more fuel for starting?
There isn’t. There is a position sensor in there though. IF you are referring to the “cold water on VP trick”, that frees up the timing advance piston in the bore which will allow the truck to start.
@@thoroughbreddieselJohn Deere applications use the fuel temperature sensor
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Question:
2000 Ram 2500 2wd
I have 8 volts going to the lift pump (pin 35&pin15)and 8 volts going to the vp44 power supply relay(pin 36). All wires have been ohmed out going from the connector to the pump and pump relay. All was good. I also checked voltage into ecm on pin 48 and 50 (both at battery voltage) as well as ground on pin 49(solid ground). No shorts, restrictions, or any other problem. If I hot wire the lift pump and power supply relay the truck runs.
I also checked grounds at block and body both places at zero ohms to ecm ground on connector.
What's the problem?
Thanks in advance😀
A wire can ohm good, and not be able to carry the current needed because of corrosion and or breaks in the wiring. Load test that circuit. If it's good your ECM output voltage is low, meaning an internal malfunction, so long as voltage input is what it should be.
Hello sir
I have a problem with ford focus 1.8 tddi. it has a similar fuel pump, I think VP 30. The problem is, it starts ok, runs ok and then it just die. I can drive it whole day and it won't die. Then in other case it dies very often. I have good power, good ground. CKP sensor tested and it is ok. I tested CAN L and CAN H terminals and the signals are ok.
I think that the electronics itself is starting to failure
Do you have sufficient lift pump pressure to the pump?
@@thoroughbreddiesel Tddi does not have lift pum in the tank.
Hi, I'll watch all your videos. I checked my + an - with a test light it showed I have a good pos an negative. O an I had a p1689 code just saying so I hot wired my vp44 an the truck started up. So are you thinking what I thinking bad ecm.
Thank you very much. Could be, check you fuel system relay first before condemning the ECM. Are you getting signal at the wiring harness?
@thoroughbreddiesel I got a ecm from a 200 truck k an it started up an the truck runs better now thin ever had thank you for the info.
How much is the breakout box?
I have 2000 was having throttle body issues. Because it would fluctuate and finally it went dead go dead. Replaced the throttle body sensor and got it to crank it would be running good and then just go dead. It did this about 3 different times. Finally pulled it off got it cranked run like a top for about 9 miles and just fell on its face and died. Haven't been able to get it cranked since. Any info is appreciated.
What codes are in the truck and what is your lift pump pressure?
I have a problem with the jeep Suzuki D-Max, there is no effect on the throttle acceleration of the jeep, the speed is constant
If I have a vp44 truck that has a no start when cold issue will this tell me if I need a vp44?
Not necessarily. More than likely it is a leak down situation. Park it with the nose of the truck uphill one night, downhill the next. This will tell you where your leak down is, one of the directions it should start better than the other.
Does it work for heavy machinery with 24v voltage or only 12v ??
Yes, but you will need to check incoming voltage to the pump to make sure its 24V.
will this tell me if my VP 44 is running too lean, giving me only 40% power ? Tia
No, all this box does is get the truck started independent of the ECM.
dude i have a 03 f-650 cummins 24 valve lost powre at lift pump power wire at pump comes out of pcm bypassed that put on own relay to get power starts but in limp mode for no power at lift pump still how do i get out of limp mode
I think you can ground the ground portion of that original drop to the LP and it will make the code go away?
Sorry if I didn't get this straight - but if the engine starts and runs with the breakout box the pump is okay? Or the pump is not okay?
If it starts and runs on breakout box, the VP is ok, but depending on what your diagnosing the breakout box doesn’t tell all. It wont diagnose driveability issues. It only will tell you if you have a no start condition, if the pump is the problem.
@@thoroughbreddiesel Okay, thank you for the the reply and information. Keep up the good work!
So what caused the tone change When you plugged the box in
Good observation. The breakout box controls timing once it activated, what you hear is the difference in timing.
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will this work on all engines brands with vp 44 to give idlle or less more?
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Yes, if equipped with VP it will work. It has two different speeds of idle that you can test with.
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I have an 02 and having issues. It starts and runs fine, hot or cold. I can be idling or driving a d the truck will shut off but if I’m driving it’ll star back by itself. If it’s idling, it’ll die but I have to turn the key to start it. Hooked a reader up to it and it can’t find anything but cycling the key it has p1693. Any ideas??
Did u ever fix this problem
@@eithanbegay1285 no. Still messing with it. I’m leaning towards computer
My o2 backfired out the tailpipe and lost power with white smoke out the tailpipe and rough running , move it off the road felt like it power up and backfire again shut off not crank again vp 44 or valve stuck????
Does the VP 44 sense a problem with an injector and try to compensate?
No. The injectors are full mechanical and the delivery to them is constant. If there is a problem, say low or no delivery on the injector, the fuel is returned to the tank.
@@thoroughbreddiesel The poppet valves are mechanical** The fuel solenoid and timing solenoid however are not
I have a prob with my 98 Dodge Ram 2500 5.9 Cummins 24 v it idles great as soon as I hit the throttle it chokes up I replaced the throttle sensor already hope someone could help me out
You will want to check your lift pump pressure, and scan the truck for codes.
Can the vp44 be tested out of the truck on a bench by qualified personnel?
Yes as long as its run on a test stand that is setup for VP’s.
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What do the break out boxes cost
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how much, and where buy order
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Dumb question, would this work on other equipment with vp44 pumps?
Yes. As long as it’s a vp44 and not a VP30 or a 24 volt pump.
I'm wondering what if the psg computer fails?
how to order it
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Sir where i can get this box for starting vp44 directly?
Give us a call 855-823-5514.
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Hello! how many is this machine?
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Where to buy a breakout box? Price?
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Have a question don't know if you can answer it in the comments but my 2000 5.9 Cummins 24-valve automatic always starts but takes about 10 seconds if it's sitting overnight or more than a couple hours if the front end is slightly uphill if it's warmed up and downhill starts immediately another problem is when I'm driving and it hits about somewhere around 30 miles an hour it starts lunging but if I give it gas and that corrects it but then I'm going 40 miles in a 30-mile Zone or 45 does the same thing around 45 to 50 and actually does this when it's shifting second and third or third 2/4 th it's when the RPMs go there lowest it l u g s so it's really hard to drive around the city because all of the speed limits are in that area lot of times I just keep the overdrive off but still does it between second and third if I'm just tooling around the city do you have any suggestions thanks I'll also try your website to or maybe some of your other patrons might have some ideas
What if the truck won't stay running, just starts and cuts off immediately. Reading 19 lbs of pressure to the vp44.
The breakout box will identify if the pump or the ECM is causing that.
Wow $735, I'm not a shop, just trying to diagnose my own truck. Does anyone rent them like auto parts store?
how much break out box
Give us a call 859-737-4966.
So why pressure diesel is very law pressure. What's problem for vp44
We don’t want to see any less than 5 psi at wide open throttle on a VP truck, traditionally they run at 10-15 psi.
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ALL fuel gauges fail?
On the 98-02 trucks, I wouldn’t ever bet AGAINST it.
This is nothing more than a "Hotwire test is it not? which will cost you nothing
The longer the truck sits the harder too start... Why???
Leakdown. A couple of tests you can do. Park the truck uphill or downhill and see which one makes a difference, that is usually the tale tell sign of a leakdown.
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