Diagnose A VP44 or ECM Problem w/ a Break Out Box Tool

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  • @clarkmoore8054
    @clarkmoore8054 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What do they cost?

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      www.thoroughbreddiesel.com/3163834/ Here is a link to the product.

    • @sts.556
      @sts.556 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

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    • @crewsawyer6822
      @crewsawyer6822 3 ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @Ry_Guy
      @Ry_Guy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Almost a grand!

  • @domcummins4148
    @domcummins4148 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great information!! Thanks for every video because to me all are very informative and at the same time I enjoy every single one of them

  • @zacharyirwin49
    @zacharyirwin49 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this Wade. Very informative for a VP44 tech such as myself.

  • @lyrics1716
    @lyrics1716 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    how much, and where buy order

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Give us a call 1-859-737-4966.

    • @lyrics1716
      @lyrics1716 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

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  • @codyc6483
    @codyc6483 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Okay I have. 2001 Dodge Ram 2500 24v, I have replaced ecm, fass 165, new engine harness, and new injection pump! So my problem is when I unplug the vp44 & run a ground from the injection pump plug in to the battery and it will start right up! If I plug the injection pump back in it will not start!

  • @ronniephipps6555
    @ronniephipps6555 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi, I'll watch all your videos. I checked my + an - with a test light it showed I have a good pos an negative. O an I had a p1689 code just saying so I hot wired my vp44 an the truck started up. So are you thinking what I thinking bad ecm.

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you very much. Could be, check you fuel system relay first before condemning the ECM. Are you getting signal at the wiring harness?

    • @ronniephipps6555
      @ronniephipps6555 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @thoroughbreddiesel I got a ecm from a 200 truck k an it started up an the truck runs better now thin ever had thank you for the info.

  • @paulbrooksmith7076
    @paulbrooksmith7076 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Will this also work on a ford transit vp30 pump, I'm having starting issues.

  • @hamzasalim2513
    @hamzasalim2513 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does it work for heavy machinery with 24v voltage or only 12v ??

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, but you will need to check incoming voltage to the pump to make sure its 24V.

  • @chilidog73
    @chilidog73 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Quick question... I have a 2001 and the fuel pressure port is on the back side of the fuel filter housing. Is this an OK place to ck the pressure? I assume this is pressure before the filter. Or is it after? Thanks for the help!

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s ok and yes it will be a pre filter test. You can move that to the pump side by just swapping

  • @guybarfield5074
    @guybarfield5074 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have 2000 was having throttle body issues. Because it would fluctuate and finally it went dead go dead. Replaced the throttle body sensor and got it to crank it would be running good and then just go dead. It did this about 3 different times. Finally pulled it off got it cranked run like a top for about 9 miles and just fell on its face and died. Haven't been able to get it cranked since. Any info is appreciated.

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  ปีที่แล้ว

      What codes are in the truck and what is your lift pump pressure?

  • @shermanhouse6880
    @shermanhouse6880 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hello I have a 19995.9 VP 44. How do you?
    Determine if you have a bad e. C. M.
    Thank you for any help. Watch your videos always.

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hello! There are several different ECM failure modes, elevated idle, ECM codes, truck wont stat, etc.

    • @shermanhouse6880
      @shermanhouse6880 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you very much.

  • @tmanda323
    @tmanda323 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hello sir
    I have a problem with ford focus 1.8 tddi. it has a similar fuel pump, I think VP 30. The problem is, it starts ok, runs ok and then it just die. I can drive it whole day and it won't die. Then in other case it dies very often. I have good power, good ground. CKP sensor tested and it is ok. I tested CAN L and CAN H terminals and the signals are ok.
    I think that the electronics itself is starting to failure

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do you have sufficient lift pump pressure to the pump?

    • @tmanda323
      @tmanda323 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thoroughbreddiesel Tddi does not have lift pum in the tank.

  • @robert8white
    @robert8white 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great product guys. Where is the best place to get a ECM

  • @erneumann3136
    @erneumann3136 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does the VP 44 sense a problem with an injector and try to compensate?

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No. The injectors are full mechanical and the delivery to them is constant. If there is a problem, say low or no delivery on the injector, the fuel is returned to the tank.

    • @5.43v
      @5.43v 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thoroughbreddiesel The poppet valves are mechanical** The fuel solenoid and timing solenoid however are not

  • @davekana8388
    @davekana8388 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have a hard start warm or hot. Cold start 1st in the morning, fine

  • @bendonker
    @bendonker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dumb question, would this work on other equipment with vp44 pumps?

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. As long as it’s a vp44 and not a VP30 or a 24 volt pump.

  • @roadglide6895
    @roadglide6895 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Noticed a belt sqeak at shut off....time to change that belt and idler tension wheel. Cool product...

    • @Dishtech48
      @Dishtech48 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All Cummins make that squeak when shut off..

    • @roadglide6895
      @roadglide6895 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Dishtech48 mine doesn't anymore with a new idler wheel that provides proper tension...☝️ and didn't when I bought it new 21 years ago

  • @chuyramirez1
    @chuyramirez1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    were to buy

  • @Dmowery5036
    @Dmowery5036 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have an 02 and having issues. It starts and runs fine, hot or cold. I can be idling or driving a d the truck will shut off but if I’m driving it’ll star back by itself. If it’s idling, it’ll die but I have to turn the key to start it. Hooked a reader up to it and it can’t find anything but cycling the key it has p1693. Any ideas??

    • @eithanbegay1285
      @eithanbegay1285 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did u ever fix this problem

    • @Dmowery5036
      @Dmowery5036 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eithanbegay1285 no. Still messing with it. I’m leaning towards computer

  • @deshpremi2372
    @deshpremi2372 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sir where i can get this box for starting vp44 directly?

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  ปีที่แล้ว

      Give us a call 855-823-5514.

    • @johnsalem8323
      @johnsalem8323 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thoroughbreddiesel hello sir I want to buy this diagnose how I can get it

  • @domenicderrigo1227
    @domenicderrigo1227 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    dude i have a 03 f-650 cummins 24 valve lost powre at lift pump power wire at pump comes out of pcm bypassed that put on own relay to get power starts but in limp mode for no power at lift pump still how do i get out of limp mode

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you can ground the ground portion of that original drop to the LP and it will make the code go away?

  • @jdillon8360
    @jdillon8360 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sorry if I didn't get this straight - but if the engine starts and runs with the breakout box the pump is okay? Or the pump is not okay?

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If it starts and runs on breakout box, the VP is ok, but depending on what your diagnosing the breakout box doesn’t tell all. It wont diagnose driveability issues. It only will tell you if you have a no start condition, if the pump is the problem.

    • @jdillon8360
      @jdillon8360 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thoroughbreddiesel Okay, thank you for the the reply and information. Keep up the good work!

  • @erneumann3136
    @erneumann3136 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does the VP 44 sense the temperature when it is cooler and compensate with more fuel for starting?

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      There isn’t. There is a position sensor in there though. IF you are referring to the “cold water on VP trick”, that frees up the timing advance piston in the bore which will allow the truck to start.

    • @5.43v
      @5.43v 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@thoroughbreddieselJohn Deere applications use the fuel temperature sensor

  • @rangershipman8480
    @rangershipman8480 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So what caused the tone change When you plugged the box in

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good observation. The breakout box controls timing once it activated, what you hear is the difference in timing.

  • @ricardojuarez291
    @ricardojuarez291 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    After a hard wired test my truck starts right up, so I'm looking up for a ECM issue.. so do your own research and look for pin 6 and 7 from vp44 and run a fuse wire straight to the battery and a negative and it's the same with this attachment.. easy

  • @donnaswoner1500
    @donnaswoner1500 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How can you check fuel pump 97 Freightliner Cummins 5.9 Winnebago Vectra motorhome codes 111 and 368

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Does it have a VP44 engine in it? I am not aware of those codes but if you can get us descriptions of the codes, we can help. If its VP44, as always check lift pump pressure.

  • @jhonatanramirezsalgado4631
    @jhonatanramirezsalgado4631 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, the same is used in 12v and 24 v system

  • @casongill660
    @casongill660 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could this tell is the ecm is burned to give the truck a dead pedal. I have replaced the vp44 and the lift pump I have cleaned the tank filled it up and I miss throttle at 1200-1700 rpm

  • @vladtamad4300
    @vladtamad4300 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    is this applicable to nissan patrol zd30 y61 vp44 injection pump and how much to avail

  • @manjulajayabandu9879
    @manjulajayabandu9879 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you send me the wiring diagram for this box and the swchears forit

  • @codyblack210
    @codyblack210 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would it help me diagnose my 02 24v getting stuck at high rpm then getting dead pedal after going on the highway when its colder out? I t starts fine though. After I turn off and let sit for a minutes and start back up, the rpm settles back down to normal idle.

  • @dantedamanti6473
    @dantedamanti6473 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great video.

  • @tronicdiesel
    @tronicdiesel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This box work with VP30 and where do I buy this box?

  • @terryhoule4621
    @terryhoule4621 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a prob with my 98 Dodge Ram 2500 5.9 Cummins 24 v it idles great as soon as I hit the throttle it chokes up I replaced the throttle sensor already hope someone could help me out

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You will want to check your lift pump pressure, and scan the truck for codes.

  • @Yukonjackman1
    @Yukonjackman1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can it be used as a emergency by pass for getting you to a repair shop ?

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It will only idle, it will not allow you to get to highway speed.

  • @matsadolfsson1155
    @matsadolfsson1155 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where to buy a breakout box? Price?

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      www.thoroughbreddiesel.com/3163834/ Here is a link to the product.

  • @robertrozzell6770
    @robertrozzell6770 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am in the beginning phases of learning about the VP-44. I have one in my motorhome. Does any or all of this info transfer to the motorhome applications?

  • @kyawnaing5472
    @kyawnaing5472 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    where do u buy diagnose in burmar

  • @سعيدصالحيوسفخليل
    @سعيدصالحيوسفخليل 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a problem with the jeep Suzuki D-Max, there is no effect on the throttle acceleration of the jeep, the speed is constant

  • @lyrics1716
    @lyrics1716 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    how to order it

  • @owinking4496
    @owinking4496 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What do the break out boxes cost

  • @ricardojuarez291
    @ricardojuarez291 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm wondering what if the psg computer fails?

  • @woods457
    @woods457 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, Thanks for the video... I have a question, should pin 5 (fuel shut off) be permanently powered to allow the engine to start and by pushing the stop button the power is interrupted causing the engine to stop or does it work the other way around i.e. for the engine to run no power is to be present and then my introducing power to pin 5 while the engine is running it is stopped ?? Thanks in advance.

    • @alespretor27
      @alespretor27 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No, pin#5 should be close to 0V in order VP44 to run. When you want to shut it down then you send 12/24V to that pin#5. You see the harness connector, there are 4 pins wired, 6,7,5 and 4. 6 and 7 are supply voltage, 5 is for shutting the pump off and 4 is low idle select.

    • @woods457
      @woods457 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alespretor27 Thankyou..

  • @snsbrassandguns
    @snsbrassandguns 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    If I have a vp44 truck that has a no start when cold issue will this tell me if I need a vp44?

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not necessarily. More than likely it is a leak down situation. Park it with the nose of the truck uphill one night, downhill the next. This will tell you where your leak down is, one of the directions it should start better than the other.

  • @fabricerichard7522
    @fabricerichard7522 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello! how many is this machine?

  • @2pi628
    @2pi628 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question:
    2000 Ram 2500 2wd
    I have 8 volts going to the lift pump (pin 35&pin15)and 8 volts going to the vp44 power supply relay(pin 36). All wires have been ohmed out going from the connector to the pump and pump relay. All was good. I also checked voltage into ecm on pin 48 and 50 (both at battery voltage) as well as ground on pin 49(solid ground). No shorts, restrictions, or any other problem. If I hot wire the lift pump and power supply relay the truck runs.
    I also checked grounds at block and body both places at zero ohms to ecm ground on connector.
    What's the problem?
    Thanks in advance😀

    • @bmclemore8203
      @bmclemore8203 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A wire can ohm good, and not be able to carry the current needed because of corrosion and or breaks in the wiring. Load test that circuit. If it's good your ECM output voltage is low, meaning an internal malfunction, so long as voltage input is what it should be.

  • @bryanstaten5585
    @bryanstaten5585 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much is the breakout box?

  • @lyrics1716
    @lyrics1716 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    how much break out box

  • @johnchopp3278
    @johnchopp3278 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can the vp44 be tested out of the truck on a bench by qualified personnel?

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes as long as its run on a test stand that is setup for VP’s.

    • @johnchopp3278
      @johnchopp3278 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thoroughbreddiesel thanks guys. I got one nem finnicky 98.5"s. Lol

  • @haszenanhaniffamhaszime7592
    @haszenanhaniffamhaszime7592 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    how can i buy this tools

  • @yusufelliotanalidodoloooma9685
    @yusufelliotanalidodoloooma9685 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So why pressure diesel is very law pressure. What's problem for vp44

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We don’t want to see any less than 5 psi at wide open throttle on a VP truck, traditionally they run at 10-15 psi.

  • @jorisdeckers7395
    @jorisdeckers7395 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hallo Clark
    will this work on all engines brands with vp 44 to give idlle or less more?
    greetings

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, if equipped with VP it will work. It has two different speeds of idle that you can test with.

  • @joseluismenaharding5503
    @joseluismenaharding5503 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mi problema es el ENCENDIDO. Ya solo empujada , de bajada o remolcadas enciende y no esta desforzada no falla en la aceleración, consumo de diésel Normal.
    Si pudieran decir comentarios en ESPAÑOL. POR FAVOR.

  • @bryanstaten5585
    @bryanstaten5585 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if the truck won't stay running, just starts and cuts off immediately. Reading 19 lbs of pressure to the vp44.

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The breakout box will identify if the pump or the ECM is causing that.

    • @bryanstaten5585
      @bryanstaten5585 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow $735, I'm not a shop, just trying to diagnose my own truck. Does anyone rent them like auto parts store?

  • @johnnyguerra9435
    @johnnyguerra9435 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    My o2 backfired out the tailpipe and lost power with white smoke out the tailpipe and rough running , move it off the road felt like it power up and backfire again shut off not crank again vp 44 or valve stuck????

  • @ralph9987
    @ralph9987 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    will this tell me if my VP 44 is running too lean, giving me only 40% power ? Tia

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, all this box does is get the truck started independent of the ECM.

  • @genehart261
    @genehart261 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    ALL fuel gauges fail?

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      On the 98-02 trucks, I wouldn’t ever bet AGAINST it.

  • @ahmedbahdou1384
    @ahmedbahdou1384 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Merci selvopler le chima démarrage

  • @william7108
    @william7108 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have a question don't know if you can answer it in the comments but my 2000 5.9 Cummins 24-valve automatic always starts but takes about 10 seconds if it's sitting overnight or more than a couple hours if the front end is slightly uphill if it's warmed up and downhill starts immediately another problem is when I'm driving and it hits about somewhere around 30 miles an hour it starts lunging but if I give it gas and that corrects it but then I'm going 40 miles in a 30-mile Zone or 45 does the same thing around 45 to 50 and actually does this when it's shifting second and third or third 2/4 th it's when the RPMs go there lowest it l u g s so it's really hard to drive around the city because all of the speed limits are in that area lot of times I just keep the overdrive off but still does it between second and third if I'm just tooling around the city do you have any suggestions thanks I'll also try your website to or maybe some of your other patrons might have some ideas

  • @inyomansrisukasuminar1279
    @inyomansrisukasuminar1279 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    halo .. bisakah anda membantu saya untuk harga sampai ke indonsia ??

  • @uhih6717823
    @uhih6717823 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is nothing more than a "Hotwire test is it not? which will cost you nothing

  • @dcha6786
    @dcha6786 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The longer the truck sits the harder too start... Why???

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Leakdown. A couple of tests you can do. Park the truck uphill or downhill and see which one makes a difference, that is usually the tale tell sign of a leakdown.

  • @emanueldumbrava4877
    @emanueldumbrava4877 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bmw

  • @xiiaomey827
    @xiiaomey827 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey is there any way I can contact you via social media? WhatsApp or etc? Your kindness is greatly appreciated! Thank you

    • @thoroughbreddiesel
      @thoroughbreddiesel  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can find that information on how to contact us online.

  • @dmanmoto
    @dmanmoto 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Omg dude a 1 min video you turn into 20 min