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yes mr Nigel, like you starting premna , yes root of premna is easy to grow...those branch of premna is more than 5 years....look from graft than planted..nice to se this Mr Nigel
Nice video on Premna.The plant is sure to develop in a beautiful Bonsai.Premna is a very versatile material and it will grow in the toughest of conditions.In fact it can even be propagated with root cuttings.Many top bonsai artists in India are doing wonderful work in Premna.
Loved the work , big decisions start at the root base not the apex , thanks Nigel, you're a down to earth bonsai enthusiast . Again your simple approach always managed to reach humble audiences.
Hi Nigel, it's clear to see your bonsai collection is growing. I have had to face thinning the herd this year as I love to propagate. But this year of thinning has shown me that people are willing to pay for tree's that I propagate. A first for me after a couple decades of growing. I'm sure you are aware of your growing numbers and that you have not yet grown any more space for your trees. Do you have plans in the works or do you plan on crossing that bridge when you get there in the fall?
I can think far into the future about my tree design, but when it comes to room for my trees, I'm clueless!!! I will be giving away many of my trees in the future, once they are on the right track. I enjoy developing the trees and hope they find a good home some day!
I thought you might end up airlayering the trunk, but actually the roots you have left are pretty good! It will be a happy moment when you can cut off the other big side branch. I’m looking forward to that! I can see the potential now. I bet that root you cut off first would grow into a new tree.
I was wondering the same thing. Do premnas grow from root cuttings? It would be tricky because you would want to get rid of the badly twisted parts of the roots.
Hi Nigel, i totally share your frustration at the pathetic roots. Ground layering would have been my solution for this tree. There is a huge ignorance/denialism about root pruning pots & air pruning in the bonsai community. The correct pots are the no.1 solution. Manual root pruning by bonsai nursery is no.2 solution. Many regular tree nurseries use air pruning pots now & are probably light years ahead of most bonsai nurseries, who still use pathetic regular plastic pots which give rise to root circling. I have covered this topic many times on my blog (linked from my vids) + there is a playlist called "How Pot Design Affects Your Plant's Growth". Link to it is in next comment (you might need to approve it).
I have seen nursery stock comes with this small organic mesh very close to the base of the plant. I think it is there to either root it from cutting or grew it from seed but they never remove that and the roots start going around in circles very early and becomes what you got in the video later. A lot of big cuts on the roots in this one!
I feel you. All my "bonsai" from my local bonsai store have horrible, horrible root systems. Even worse than trees from a garden type nursery. I do as much as I dare every time I repot and I am many years away still =)
Good choices given the material you had to work with. Fingers crossed for a hearty, healthful, flourishing bonsai! If anyone can make lemonade out of a premna, it’s YOU!
So this was my first year repotting almost all of my trees this year after gaining the confidence from your videos Nigel and unfortunately my most expensive tree, a Chinese Juniper had roots like this and it cost me about £200! Surprisingly this was from Herons Bonsai so I expected more from his nursery to be honest. I've had to sort all the roots and up to now the tree is doing okay, it hasn't browned from the outside in so hopefully it's going to survive
As always great work and knowledge gained. I feel that every tree has its own potential. Thanks again for another great video. Keep up the good work Nigel!
Having had a nursery for over thirty years, I well understand the circling roots issue, but that Premna was just too wrong! Stuck in a big pot with a peaty soil mix and the horrible roots! When you pulled it out and the soil fell off, I cringed! I have learned so much about roots from you, even after being in the biz for decades. Thanks, Nigel!
WOW...That was some SERIOUS Root pruning!!! I would really like to see how this tree progreses and its roots propagates in time....! As always great to see your videos!
I just got my first Premna pre bonsai from Wigerts Nursery. It’s in great shape and came in a training pot. But it is sooooo root bound. I’m kind of dreading doing the root work because the whole root ball and soil are so compact it’s like a rock. I’m sure it’ll be fine, but I had a bad experience with a cotoneaster I got in a similar condition. The roots were just really tough to work on and the cotoneaster died :( Wish me luck!
Hello Nigel, nice "working-bonsai-video" as always! I want to ask, if you would try this relation of roots and foliage on this tree, as a rule of thumb, on every tree? With your experinece, do you expect a success rate over 50 %?
The first root pruning of a tree is usually the most severe, you've managed to show us that multiple times and the results that come with (usually quite favourable if the tree survives).
Hey Nigel! I have recently found myself obsessed with Bonsai and your videos have been exceptionally helpful for learning the fundamentals of Bonsai and some techniques to start my own. I have purchased a $13 Juniper from Home Depot as my first project but I was curious if you have any suggestions regarding raw materials for Soil and a good set of beginner tools.
Wow that Premna has some terribly thick branches. Looks like it will be a pretty tree though after you work on it awhile. Root system looks a lot better already.
Hi Nigel, I was wondering why didn't you do a ground layer to this tree? That way you are not risking the health of the tree and you can get a nice and radial root base... If there is any specific reason I would love to know. Just wanted you to know that you have taught me most of what I know about bonsai, and I very appreciate that!
Hello 8! I try and keep the original flare from the roots that I cut off. It makes a great transition from the trunk to the root base. Often with air layered trees, you get a circular ring where the trunk ends and the new air layered roots begin, It can take decades with some trees to loose this air layered look.
something I have come across several times when buying nursery stock from bonsai nurseries is the maples I have bought have ended up having what I call 'finger roots', where the plant has what look like several tap roots that look like fingers, these grow in such a way that makes it impossible to put the tree in a conventional bonsai pot. I always find the best source for deciduous trees are the bare root trees you can buy in winter as these are generally field-grown and have much better bases. they're cheaper too!
yes! this that how i got some of my trees i get them just roots no pot or soil and the are like 3,5 euros or 5 euros the are realy cheap i even put 5 trees on the ground for eating(not the trees the fruits when the make them lol).
Hi Nigel, I just purchased a Brazilian rain tree, Pyracantha, and a Jaboticaba, I’m in southern ca. Can I repot now or should I wait till next spring. Thanks for all your great advice.
Brazilian Rain Trees should be repotted in early summer. Often people will defoliate the tree, prune it and repot at the same time. Jaboticaba can also be repotted early summer. Pyracantha like a cool period in winter and should be repotted in spring just before the buds resume activity.
Hi Nigel. There are some nice root cuttings that could sprout a new Premna tree. Would you consider trying that to see what happens? Thanks for what you do. Steve from Long Island, NY.
I really agree with you Nigel, I also experienced that Prebonsai Material usually has bad roots ! The trunk and the upper part looks pretty good but the roots usually are unmanaged. And this is even the case with pretty expensive material. That’s really annoying.
Yes I agree, even if they quickly saw off the lower part of the roots before up potting, the roots would be much better! I don't think it's the lack of time, it's just laziness, they know the tree will sell to the beginner, no matter what the root system is like.
I couldn’t agree more… I bought 2 prebonsai this year they were on sale for 120€ each. A cork bark oak and a crabapple, Both trees had horrible roots. The corkbark oak didn’t make it, the crabapple had literally a ball of roots. After the rootpruning it was just the bare trunk with massive cutpoints. I was so disappointed. The crabapple made it through and is growing with vigor. That’s why I prefer to buy nursery trees and cut them down. Usually the rootsystem ist better and you pay much less so you can take the risk. Usually Prebonsai material is buried too deep in small pots and that’s how these horrible roots happen. I even talked with a guy in a bonsai nursery about it. He said they don’t bother to repot it until the trunk is thick. And he asked if I know how to airlayer. That’s their plan of action develop the top an airlayer the bottom. I said well I don’t like prefect root systems I like character and roots which are in scale to the trunk.
You talk about how the roots are allowed to curl around inside the pot. I once got a mugo pine at a nursery. The tree was in a 1 gallon can when I got it but as I sorted out the roots I was able to tell that the plant had originally been grown in a 4 inch square pot. The condition of the roots is how I knew this.
The natural habitat of Premna serratifolia is along seacoasts and mangrove forests so it is likely quite tolerant of high moisture. Perhaps that is how it survived being neglected in that watery pot for so long.
hai nigel, I'm from Indonesia. in my country the tree it's called " sancang" and we can grafted with " wahong " is same species trees for better nebari and barks trunk.
tanaman sancang pertumbuhannya cukup cepat dan daun yang bisa mengecil 1mm.-2 mm, mata tunas mudah tumbuh dan mudah di bentuk untuk berbagai macam gaya bonsai Anda bisa melihat referensi the best bonsai Sancang in youtube chanel. di indonesia. jenis pohon lainya : santigi,anting putri,serut dan banyak lagi
Hey Nigel! I have been flirting with the idea of starting a pre-bonsai nursery since I have gotten into bonsai. I find the growing aspect the most fascinating. I am currently in the process of seeing how different soil substrates effect the growth of roots in my climate utilizing Paulownia tomentosa due to their quick growth. My eventual goal is to offer pre-bonsai to my local area (Western Washington and Oregon area) that is of better quality then what I have seen myself. I think I would be mostly focusing on ensuring a decent root base with my trees. As someone with plenty of years of experience, do you have any tricks you have learned for developing decent roots on trees grown from seeds? It seems like information on growing trees with the goal to make them into bonsai is hard to come by. Fun Fact: I gathered Boabab seeds from the same tree that yours came from when I was in Hawaii. I have three 6 month old boababs with many more seeds.
I am at a point in my bonsai journey where I had previously acquired and cultivated as many trees, saplings and seedlings as I could get hold of, but now running out of space and beginning to ruthlessly assess which have any real chance of making quality bonsai. Sad to say that anything that just does not make the grade and has no realistic promise has gone to the great compost heap in the sky. I have proven to myself that I can grow, cultivate and keep plants alive, and gained some familiarity with elementary bonsai and horticulture techniques. Now to focus on quality and refinement rather than volume and “training material”.
Yes it'll turn in to a nice bonsai, the scars will heal properly, as Premna is a bonsai friendly tree.And above all it grows fast, you'll get lot of new plants from cutting propagation.
It's alwas disappointing to see such a neglected root system that just curls around. I also had such a root system on a Japanese cherry I bought in a garden center. Unfortunately, after showing some signs of life after repotting, any new leaf that came out was eaten by snails or something and then that was it... Next year, if they have cherry trees again, I'll probably try a ground- or airlayer if the roots are that bad again. I hope the Premna makes it!
Hehe, if you say something about whacking a big branch off, you’re gonna follow through. Looking forward to next year when whack that big primary branches.
The water seems to get under the rocks just fine, I lift the rocks up every now an then to check, but the soil is always moist under them and you can see the roots growing too!!
@@TheBonsaiZone i will keep trying! i will try to see if i can find one of thos it is hard tho coz the are close to the grass so if the have any the get cut.
I like the look of that species, But my goodness, The roots and taper, I never buy pre bonsai because the price never matches the material, I feel bad for beginners getting into the hobby that don't know better, or how to fix it and give up.
Nigel The Brave... you surely cut these roots a lot. But they sure look like they will grow and recover. The original roots looked like pile of shit.... I think his is the word you were looking for during your commentary ;)
Nigel, is the Ontario Green Party similar in policy position to the National Green Party here in the US? Looking forward to your next updates on the Osage Orange forest. I grew a bunch from seed and like them a lot. Regards from New Jersey.
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Thanks for all the root information. Really useful stuff and much appreciated. 👍👍
yes mr Nigel, like you starting premna , yes root of premna is easy to grow...those branch of premna is more than 5 years....look from graft than planted..nice to se this Mr Nigel
Nice video on Premna.The plant is sure to develop in a beautiful Bonsai.Premna is a very versatile material and it will grow in the toughest of conditions.In fact it can even be propagated with root cuttings.Many top bonsai artists in India are doing wonderful work in Premna.
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New subscriber here and new to bonsai. I love hearing you think out loud through your decisions. I can’t wait to see what happens with this premna.
I can't wait to begin more work to the now two trees this summer!!
Nice! You were prepared with three scoops this time!
Loved the work , big decisions start at the root base not the apex , thanks Nigel, you're a down to earth bonsai enthusiast . Again your simple approach always managed to reach humble audiences.
Hi Nigel, it's clear to see your bonsai collection is growing. I have had to face thinning the herd this year as I love to propagate. But this year of thinning has shown me that people are willing to pay for tree's that I propagate. A first for me after a couple decades of growing. I'm sure you are aware of your growing numbers and that you have not yet grown any more space for your trees. Do you have plans in the works or do you plan on crossing that bridge when you get there in the fall?
I can think far into the future about my tree design, but when it comes to room for my trees, I'm clueless!!!
I will be giving away many of my trees in the future, once they are on the right track. I enjoy developing the trees and hope they find a good home some day!
Guess only time will tell,it was quite an operation,hope to see it in a year or so. Thanks for the effort of sharing again,
I'll be sure to update the tree as soon as it starts to grow!!
Wow, Dr. Saunders does major surgery on a premna patient! 💪🔪🏥
I hope I don't get sued for malpractice!!
I thought you might end up airlayering the trunk, but actually the roots you have left are pretty good! It will be a happy moment when you can cut off the other big side branch. I’m looking forward to that! I can see the potential now. I bet that root you cut off first would grow into a new tree.
I was wondering the same thing. Do premnas grow from root cuttings? It would be tricky because you would want to get rid of the badly twisted parts of the roots.
@@emmitstewart1921 yes they do. premnas grow so easily, they’re amazing for bonsai
Wow, as always great work Nigel!
Thank you! Cheers!
Hair's looking great, Nigel! Almost there👌💪
Hi Nigel, i totally share your frustration at the pathetic roots. Ground layering would have been my solution for this tree.
There is a huge ignorance/denialism about root pruning pots & air pruning in the bonsai community. The correct pots are the no.1 solution. Manual root pruning by bonsai nursery is no.2 solution.
Many regular tree nurseries use air pruning pots now & are probably light years ahead of most bonsai nurseries, who still use pathetic regular plastic pots which give rise to root circling.
I have covered this topic many times on my blog (linked from my vids) + there is a playlist called "How Pot Design Affects Your Plant's Growth". Link to it is in next comment (you might need to approve it).
How Pot Design Affects Your Plant's Growth - th-cam.com/play/PLiDU6YjzHzNebJWTbhi4YVzoIH6PBjSEi.html
Thanks Vinny, better pre bonsai will keep more people in the hobby!
I have seen nursery stock comes with this small organic mesh very close to the base of the plant. I think it is there to either root it from cutting or grew it from seed but they never remove that and the roots start going around in circles very early and becomes what you got in the video later. A lot of big cuts on the roots in this one!
I feel you. All my "bonsai" from my local bonsai store have horrible, horrible root systems. Even worse than trees from a garden type nursery. I do as much as I dare every time I repot and I am many years away still =)
Good choices given the material you had to work with. Fingers crossed for a hearty, healthful, flourishing bonsai! If anyone can make lemonade out of a premna, it’s YOU!
Thanks J!
So this was my first year repotting almost all of my trees this year after gaining the confidence from your videos Nigel and unfortunately my most expensive tree, a Chinese Juniper had roots like this and it cost me about £200! Surprisingly this was from Herons Bonsai so I expected more from his nursery to be honest. I've had to sort all the roots and up to now the tree is doing okay, it hasn't browned from the outside in so hopefully it's going to survive
As always great work and knowledge gained. I feel that every tree has its own potential. Thanks again for another great video. Keep up the good work Nigel!
Thanks Jay!
great advice about buying a proto bonsai. I'm thinking about getting some frankincense seeds. Imagine how lovely the trees will smell at pruning time!
Nice Diana, I think Todd's Topicals has some videos about them on his channel!!
Having had a nursery for over thirty years, I well understand the circling roots issue, but that Premna was just too wrong! Stuck in a big pot with a peaty soil mix and the horrible roots! When you pulled it out and the soil fell off, I cringed! I have learned so much about roots from you, even after being in the biz for decades. Thanks, Nigel!
Thanks Diana, I hope I have it on the right track now!!
WOW...That was some SERIOUS Root pruning!!! I would really like to see how this tree progreses and its roots propagates in time....! As always great to see your videos!
Yes, I hope the tree survives, time will tell!
I just got my first Premna pre bonsai from Wigerts Nursery. It’s in great shape and came in a training pot. But it is sooooo root bound. I’m kind of dreading doing the root work because the whole root ball and soil are so compact it’s like a rock. I’m sure it’ll be fine, but I had a bad experience with a cotoneaster I got in a similar condition. The roots were just really tough to work on and the cotoneaster died :( Wish me luck!
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In the hands of a great surgeon, Dr. Saunders, this tree will recover nicely. You are right, roots are overlooked.
Hello Tom, yes it's do or die time for the tree now!!!
Hello Nigel, nice "working-bonsai-video" as always!
I want to ask, if you would try this relation of roots and foliage on this tree, as a rule of thumb, on every tree?
With your experinece, do you expect a success rate over 50 %?
The first root pruning of a tree is usually the most severe, you've managed to show us that multiple times and the results that come with (usually quite favourable if the tree survives).
the thick branch is very characteristic, reminds me of an old beech.
Yes, I've seen trees with a strong branch reaching out like that!!
Hey Nigel! I have recently found myself obsessed with Bonsai and your videos have been exceptionally helpful for learning the fundamentals of Bonsai and some techniques to start my own. I have purchased a $13 Juniper from Home Depot as my first project but I was curious if you have any suggestions regarding raw materials for Soil and a good set of beginner tools.
Wow that Premna has some terribly thick branches. Looks like it will be a pretty tree though after you work on it awhile. Root system looks a lot better already.
Thanks Nigel
Glad you liked the video!!
Hi Nigel,
I was wondering why didn't you do a ground layer to this tree?
That way you are not risking the health of the tree and you can get a nice and radial root base...
If there is any specific reason I would love to know.
Just wanted you to know that you have taught me most of what I know about bonsai, and I very appreciate that!
Hello 8! I try and keep the original flare from the roots that I cut off. It makes a great transition from the trunk to the root base. Often with air layered trees, you get a circular ring where the trunk ends and the new air layered roots begin, It can take decades with some trees to loose this air layered look.
I’m curious how this is holding up.. pretty drastic cuts but it didn’t seem to have much roots to begin with.
Those roots have a familiar feel to them.... O.O
premnas are fast growing and very tolerant to prunings,. they're the favorite bonsai material for beginners here in Philippines
I hope mine does well!! Thanks Kenneth!
something I have come across several times when buying nursery stock from bonsai nurseries is the maples I have bought have ended up having what I call 'finger roots', where the plant has what look like several tap roots that look like fingers, these grow in such a way that makes it impossible to put the tree in a conventional bonsai pot. I always find the best source for deciduous trees are the bare root trees you can buy in winter as these are generally field-grown and have much better bases. they're cheaper too!
yes! this that how i got some of my trees i get them just roots no pot or soil and the are like 3,5 euros or 5 euros the are realy cheap i even put 5 trees on the ground for eating(not the trees the fruits when the make them lol).
Yes, nursery plants can have some wild root systems!
Hi Nigel,
I just purchased a Brazilian rain tree, Pyracantha, and a Jaboticaba, I’m in southern ca.
Can I repot now or should I wait till next spring. Thanks for all your great advice.
Brazilian Rain Trees should be repotted in early summer. Often people will defoliate the tree, prune it and repot at the same time. Jaboticaba can also be repotted early summer. Pyracantha like a cool period in winter and should be repotted in spring just before the buds resume activity.
@@TheBonsaiZone Wow Nigel thanks for your advice. Always greatly appreciated.
Hi Nigel. There are some nice root cuttings that could sprout a new Premna tree. Would you consider trying that to see what happens? Thanks for what you do. Steve from Long Island, NY.
I wish I had room, but I'd better stick to just the one tree! I did plant the cutting!
I really agree with you Nigel, I also experienced that Prebonsai Material usually has bad roots ! The trunk and the upper part looks pretty good but the roots usually are unmanaged. And this is even the case with pretty expensive material. That’s really annoying.
Yes I agree, even if they quickly saw off the lower part of the roots before up potting, the roots would be much better!
I don't think it's the lack of time, it's just laziness, they know the tree will sell to the beginner, no matter what the root system is like.
I couldn’t agree more… I bought 2 prebonsai this year they were on sale for 120€ each. A cork bark oak and a crabapple, Both trees had horrible roots. The corkbark oak didn’t make it, the crabapple had literally a ball of roots. After the rootpruning it was just the bare trunk with massive cutpoints. I was so disappointed. The crabapple made it through and is growing with vigor.
That’s why I prefer to buy nursery trees and cut them down. Usually the rootsystem ist better and you pay much less so you can take the risk.
Usually Prebonsai material is buried too deep in small pots and that’s how these horrible roots happen. I even talked with a guy in a bonsai nursery about it. He said they don’t bother to repot it until the trunk is thick. And he asked if I know how to airlayer. That’s their plan of action develop the top an airlayer the bottom.
I said well I don’t like prefect root systems I like character and roots which are in scale to the trunk.
You talk about how the roots are allowed to curl around inside the pot. I once got a mugo pine at a nursery. The tree was in a 1 gallon can when I got it but as I sorted out the roots I was able to tell that the plant had originally been grown in a 4 inch square pot. The condition of the roots is how I knew this.
Yes, the multiple up potting with no root work creates the worst root bases!! So many bonsai nurseries still do this practice!
Maybe if you put it at a bit of a lean, raising that bottom branch up a little, it might look better.
The natural habitat of Premna serratifolia is along seacoasts and mangrove forests so it is likely quite tolerant of high moisture. Perhaps that is how it survived being neglected in that watery pot for so long.
Who is Mike?
Mike is the leader of the Green Party in Canada!
hai nigel, I'm from Indonesia. in my country the tree it's called " sancang" and we can grafted with " wahong " is same species trees for better nebari and barks trunk.
Thanks, I can't wait to work on it this summer!!!
tanaman sancang pertumbuhannya cukup cepat dan daun yang bisa mengecil 1mm.-2 mm, mata tunas mudah tumbuh dan mudah di bentuk untuk berbagai macam gaya bonsai
Anda bisa melihat referensi the best bonsai Sancang in youtube chanel.
di indonesia. jenis pohon lainya : santigi,anting putri,serut dan banyak lagi
Hey Nigel! I have been flirting with the idea of starting a pre-bonsai nursery since I have gotten into bonsai. I find the growing aspect the most fascinating. I am currently in the process of seeing how different soil substrates effect the growth of roots in my climate utilizing Paulownia tomentosa due to their quick growth. My eventual goal is to offer pre-bonsai to my local area (Western Washington and Oregon area) that is of better quality then what I have seen myself. I think I would be mostly focusing on ensuring a decent root base with my trees.
As someone with plenty of years of experience, do you have any tricks you have learned for developing decent roots on trees grown from seeds? It seems like information on growing trees with the goal to make them into bonsai is hard to come by.
Fun Fact: I gathered Boabab seeds from the same tree that yours came from when I was in Hawaii. I have three 6 month old boababs with many more seeds.
That sounds great, we need some good pre bonsai nurseries!! I have a playlist on growing bonsai from seed. Super you have some sister Baobab's!!
@@TheBonsaiZone Thank you for taking the time to reply! Hearing how often pre-bonsai nurseries disappoint people is what inspired me.
I am at a point in my bonsai journey where I had previously acquired and cultivated as many trees, saplings and seedlings as I could get hold of, but now running out of space and beginning to ruthlessly assess which have any real chance of making quality bonsai. Sad to say that anything that just does not make the grade and has no realistic promise has gone to the great compost heap in the sky. I have proven to myself that I can grow, cultivate and keep plants alive, and gained some familiarity with elementary bonsai and horticulture techniques.
Now to focus on quality and refinement rather than volume and “training material”.
Thanks Jason!
Yes it'll turn in to a nice bonsai, the scars will heal properly, as Premna is a bonsai friendly tree.And above all it grows fast, you'll get lot of new plants from cutting propagation.
Thanks so much, so far it's doing well, no leaves have fallen off!!
It's alwas disappointing to see such a neglected root system that just curls around. I also had such a root system on a Japanese cherry I bought in a garden center. Unfortunately, after showing some signs of life after repotting, any new leaf that came out was eaten by snails or something and then that was it... Next year, if they have cherry trees again, I'll probably try a ground- or airlayer if the roots are that bad again.
I hope the Premna makes it!
You can grow new trees from those cuttings. In next one or two year, you can make a forest or landscape. I think you're very good at that works.
Yes maybe a forest in the future!!
Hehe, if you say something about whacking a big branch off, you’re gonna follow through. Looking forward to next year when whack that big primary branches.
I'm sure it will be a stick in the future, but a stick with a future!!!
@@TheBonsaiZone ha! Well said
Your badge says I like Mike 👍 is that me nigel lol ..
Of course it's you Michael!!!
@@TheBonsaiZone thank you nigel ..
Could those thick, contorted roots be useful as cuttings?
It's possible!!
Did you finally try to root the cutting?
I didn't, but the cutting I did plant!
Did the tree survive?
Yes, my latest video features this tree!
The thick roots cutting will make some interesting bonsais, hope u have not discarded those?
I had to discard them, I just have no more room for any more!!
Hi Nigel, do you have to remove the rocks when watering the tree? Or does the water get underneath the rocks to the roots nonetheless?
The water seems to get under the rocks just fine, I lift the rocks up every now an then to check, but the soil is always moist under them and you can see the roots growing too!!
Starting a primna bonsai
i have a lot of cuting this year from my roses but so far omost non survive, i realy want to make rose bosais.
You may have to start the rose from a root cutting, spit off from the parent plant.
@@TheBonsaiZone i will keep trying! i will try to see if i can find one of thos it is hard tho coz the are close to the grass so if the have any the get cut.
I like the look of that species, But my goodness, The roots and taper, I never buy pre bonsai because the price never matches the material, I feel bad for beginners getting into the hobby that don't know better, or how to fix it and give up.
Yes, a good root system gives the tree so much strength and vigor!
yo nige have you seen the vids by "bonsai illigan"? he was a really cool guy and had lots of premna.
Yes, such a nice guy and a pity to loose him!!!
winning the lottery got a higher chance than having a nice root base from a bonsai nursery tree xD oh dear what did you buy haha
I actually find the regular nurseries have better roots than the bonsai nurseries!! I hope I can make something good from this!!!
haha oh man thats sad :D but i think you're right with that. i think you will, chances are high :D
I believe you have a Premna Microphylla , not Seratifolia
It's very possible, I just watched Adam vlog on this, here is a good read!!
adamaskwhy.com/2015/12/02/premna-bonsai/
Who is Mike? 🤔
Mike is the leader of the Green Party in Canada!
@@TheBonsaiZone kudos to Mike!
that is my fear for all the seedling i have this year that this will hapen so i made sure to put them on "dirt and rocks" soil as soon as posibel.
Good thinking!!!
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O wow that was bad. But hey i like Mike too 🤣👍
Lol!!
Nigel The Brave... you surely cut these roots a lot. But they sure look like they will grow and recover. The original roots looked like pile of shit.... I think his is the word you were looking for during your commentary ;)
Lol, yes that was the word!! I hope the tree recovers, I have a feeling it will!
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wow thats a bad root system i also have a premna nigel they are nice for bonsai and good growers so you will be fine
Thanks Jarno, that's encouraging!!
Who is Mike?
Mike is the leader of the Green Party in Canada!
Who's Mike?
Mike is the leader of the Green Party here in Ontario!! My wife was a candidate in this election!
@@TheBonsaiZone Did she do well? I hope so! :-)
Nigel, is the Ontario Green Party similar in policy position to the National Green Party here in the US?
Looking forward to your next updates on the Osage Orange forest. I grew a bunch from seed and like them a lot.
Regards from New Jersey.
@@orionm.2500 Yes, the Green party is founded on the same 6 principles, but the Ontario party has a specific platform for this province.