Why Are the Greek Gods in Star Trek?
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In an iconic episode of Star Trek: The Original Series, "Who Mourns for Adonais?", we learn that the Greek gods were actually extraterrestrials who visited Earth some five thousand years ago. In this video, I examine the origins of the Olympian aliens, their residence on our planet, and how they fit in with other elements of the Trek universe.
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The ancient Greeks were the first scientists to study the universe. To this day we name celestial objects after figures in Greek mythology.
@@subraxas The Greek Hipparchus (190-120 BCE) is considered to be the father of modern, systematic astronomy, though the Babylonians had stargazers 1000 years earlier. The Sumerians used the sun and moon to work out a calendar of the seasons for agriculture by 1200 BC.and used the North Star for navigation.
@@jeromehorwitz2460 Modern astronomy in the western world. Both China and India has astronomical records dating back thousands of years. Native Americans also had their own form of astronomy. They would draw out their maps under water by using the refection of the stars on water. That's why in translation the stars and sky translated to "underworld".
Most of the middle eastern paper records were moved to the library of Alexandria so thousands of years of records went up in a poof of smoke.
I'd love to see an episode where there is evidence the Olympians visited Vulcan or Romulus. That would sew up some plot holes.
The same sadness and sense of loss experienced by Apollo losing his followers can be experienced by mere mortals who leave work where they were greatly appreciated and needed and are now bereft of need or demand for assistance.
Apollo could also be described as a parent that suddenly realises that his children have grown up and grown apart and no longer need him.
This is eye opening, even flint the immortal and other worlds likely influenced by Olympians, as well as the coincidence in names.
It makes me wonder if there are Asgardians in the Star Trek Universe, since they seem more likely than the Olympians to enable dimensional travel and/or warp travel. Of course I am seeing it through Stargate lore.
Apollo isn't a demi-god but a full god
@@indetigersscifireview4360 no he is not and no she is not
In the Star Trek series Apollo was only a Demi-God because his worshippers all died off, therefore he got reduced in power. But you are right about him being a full god in Greek mythology.
God means titans
I am surprised that you didn't bring up the people from "Plato's Step-Children", who also visited Earth.
I've often wondered what would have happened if Plato's Step-Children had encountered Apollo. It might make for an interesting story. Perhaps one from the Mirror Universe?
Apollo is the God we know from myth. They may have visited other worlds before moving on to Earth. Apollo's line about The One with the Ears reminding him of Pan and Pan always boring him may be a direct reference to Vulcan. If I remember correctly Vulcan was going through the Surok reformation about that time.
I have a theory that Flint may be partly to blame for the Eugenics War and World War 3. In Requiem For Methuselah Flint is trying to create the perfect mate for himself. Just as immortal, just as smart, just as strong as himself. He may have started trying to do so in the 1960s through gene manipulation. His research ended up in the wrong hands and was exploited by a group of ambitious scientists. Remember that Flint claimed to have twice the strength of Kirk. Kahn claimed he was 5 times stronger than Kirk. As for his part in starting World War 3 my thinking guess like this. Major governments were beginning to suspect his true nature. With modern advancements in computers and recording equipment and banking Flint was finding it harder to keep his secret. After his involvement in the Eugenics War it was even more difficult as entire nations were trying to root out war criminals. With the DY 100 class ships being a product of that war and able to reach near light speed Flint calculated that another war could 1) cause the erasure of much of the computer records of the world and 2) cause the development of FTL travel. So he gambled and won. The devastation of WW3 did erase much of his record and a few years after the world ended Warp Drive was developed. Now he had a means off the planet. He did give up on Eugenics and turned instead to cybernetics and renamed himself Soong. A few generations later and another "Doctor Soong" completed "Flint's" work. Flint/Soong finally created the perfect mate in Data's mother.
Ok, if the Olympian Gods are real, then the prospect of Atlantis would then have to be real, as well. oh crap....Star Trek and _star Gate_ must be existing on a quantum level in linked, but divergent universes!
Btw, was that a picture of Odin, or Merlin?
Well some archeological finds suggest Atlantis was an actual city in Africa, just without all aquatics and god powers part
Don't wanna be that guy but you've got the episode's title wrong. It's Who Mourns for Adonais. Adonai is a Hebrew name for God.
I wish I had double checked that when I made this. I've got another new video coming out in a couple weeks where I mention "Who Mourns for Adonais" that will hopefully give me a chance to redeem myself for mispronouncing it lol
The title derives from a poem by Byron eulogizing Shelley: "I weep for Adonais; he is dead..." and so on.
This brings up a few questions:
Did Byron mean for the name to be pronounced "A-do-NY-is" to fit the pentametric rhythm? Or
Was he employing an archaic, pseudo-classical spelling of "Adonis?" Or
Did he simply not know how to spell in the first place? Or
Did he intend, as you suggest, for "Adonais" to be a plural of "Adonai?"
These questions have been bugging me for fifty years...
The Hebrew God is a composite of the Gods of the area of the older religions. That's why the names are the same as those "pagan" Gods - El, Adonai, Shaddai, etc. Adonai is Adonis/Adon. They are different forms of the same name.
Nice summary and exploration of the lore
Look up The Kardashev Scale theory for the answers to your questions, in the video.
Also, there are people who claim to be incarnated ET Greek deities and they call themselves Olympian Eridanus Starseeds.
i want to see a "what if" where - when Q was human, the Borg assimilate him... what happens next? :D
That is an interesting question. When Q became human he lost his powers. But did he have all the technological knowledge the Q would possess or did he lose a lot of it too? If Q was assimilated the Borg would know of the existence of Q at least if they didn't already.
@@vanmoody Guanians race was assimilated they knew about the Q. The Borg know who they are also Picard and various other humans.
You fail to take into account that there are some ancient Greek texts which are much older than the Theogony of Hessiod and the Iliad and Odyssey of Homer who is considered as a poet almost contemporary to Hessiod. Thus , while you are very close to uncover a well disguised historical truth , you fall again into the same trap , e.g. 1). that the Trojan war started around 1200 b.C. ( actually it was a much older event) , and 2). that the Ancient Greek Gods were only those mentioned in Homer's and Hessiod's texts , written between 1000 b.C. and 800 b.C.
Actually Hessiod included in his Theogony a lot of lies concerning the lineage and the true nature of several Greek gods , becouse he was paid to do so by the priesthood of the expanding cult of Zeus. He needed the money becouse his elder brother usurped all parental inheritance and he has sued his brother and confronted him in some local juries in his hometown of Accra in Boiotia , Greece. Eventually he lost all cases and claimed that his brother has bribed the judges. The fact is also that within his hometown nobody of his compatriots believed in his Theogony version and the contradictions that were included in it and laughed against him , so he decided to leave and re-establish himself in Thessaly , central Greece , in search of more easily persuaded local regents and hegemons.
Glad someone addressed the gigantic Olympus sized Elephant in the room
God damn!!! Take a breath!!😮💨😮💨😮💨
Irrelevant, since you talk about a clearly fake religione. Or maybe you believe that Olympus gods really exist?
@@raffaelecafiero3608 it is not a religion. Therefore it can not be fake. Ancient Greeks did not have a Religion according to the present content and meaning of the term. There is no ancient Greek text in which the term Religion ( i.e. "thriskia" in Greek) may be found. Religion is a term created by priesthood after 600 A.D. ( during the early Byzantine Empire and the era when the Christian gospels were written or compiled) and invested it with 3 main characteristics :a). the existence of a certain book considered as sacred ( e.g. the Holy Book in Christianity or the Quran in Islam) by the followers of that religion . This Holy Book contains symbolical stories, principles or doctrines and opinions or exemplary acts of the historical personality who is considered as the founder of that religion and therefore it is accepted as containing the Word of the Supreme Being or God . b). There is a general promise of saviour at "the end of time" or in the life after carnal death , for those who accept and attempt to follow these principles exposed in the relevant Holy Book, c). there is an organized (usually autocratic ) priesthood having a certain High Priest or Patriarch or Pope or Ayatollah etc., as it's Head, which reserves for itself the supreme right to regulate the orthodoxy of the religious beliefs and consciousness of every follower and other administrative or canonical issues.
Such characteristics were not existent in ancient Greece. Therefore there was no religion in ancient Greece with the modern sense of this term due to the lack of these 3 main characteristics of any religion. Even the Greek term " theos" or " theoi" ( nowadays translated as god or gods ) had a very different meaning in ancient Greek . The Greek word "theos" is derived from the ancient Greek verb " theo" which means "flow" and "run" and therefore "theos" meant somebody who flows or can control the flow ( "of energy" , implicitly). All religions are real and holy for their followers and fake for the followers of other religions. But there was no fake religion in ancient Greece , since there was no religion at all. Of course there were temples and statues of gods or goddesses , but they were considered as places for a mental or contemplative contact and communication with an entity active in higher fields or planes of existence ( i.e. the mental and the causal plane) as being a "theos" ( god) or a "thea" ( goddess) and able to control the energy flow of life. No Bible , no autocratic priesthood with centralized administration , no promises of saviour after earthly life.
@@Pterelaos1 we call this a politeistic religion. Also in books It Is called like that. Your academic lesson was unnecessary. A religion does not necessarily have those three characteristics. Where for god's sake did you ready such a bullshit?
All I gotta say is Jeri Ryan woulda made for an awesome Aphrodite.
That's your opinion
Uh, no.
I always enjoy your Star Trek content.
Can't finish this video. Sound effects with every image change is unbearable when going rapid with pictures
The humans arrive speaking a future dialect of English and the Olympians recognize many of the Greek roots.
Then they realise that there are also a lot of Latin as well as germanic🤨
Did the Greek Gods interact with the Q?
Being a space faring race, the Olympians would undoubtedly have visited other planets.
Apollo: "I am Apollo! ... Chekhov: "I'm the Czar of all the Russias!" [Apollo is a powerful alien - but he is not a real god; Chekhov is from Russia - but he's not the Czar]
One of my favorite tos episodes
They are all Goa'uld.
SG-1 reporting for duty.
+1
Of course, this being Star Trek, the Goa'uld are probably Trill gone rogue.
@@willmfrank Forget the Goa'uld. Hallowed are the Ori !
@@SeekAStrak They preach the gospel of Origin...So, basically...They're the Founders.
Is the music southbound pachyderm
Remember...
We are "dust beneath their feet" (- Hades)
So they can be in any episode of Star Trek if they feel like it.
:P
Keep finding videos I haven’t seen! Lol!
Hey Tyler! Just found your channel a few days ago and I’m really enjoying your vids. Very good! Now that that’s out of the way, surely you have seen “Pilgrim of Eternity” at the TH-cam channel “Star Trek Continues”? It’s a follow up of Who Mourns For Adonis. And it’s not bad with an interesting twist at the end. I’d like to hear who you thought of that story continuation. I was hoping you were going to mention it in your vid here, but no. They have a number of episodes there.
Re-portraying religions other than Christianity as just interactions with powerful aliens was a common trope in Star Trek to bring into question the fallacies of religion but the avoidance of portraying Christianity in the same way shows how hobbled the series was by censorship by the networks.
Some of the Star Trek movies( not the JJ Abrams movies) deals with the abrahamic religions.
@@lucifers.morningstar3805 Sha-Ka-Ri
@@seanrosenau2088 EXCUSE ME , what does GOD need with a STARSHIP
Maybe Jesus was an alien. He had no biological father, performed "miracles", and ascended to the heavens (space) after coming back to life. Of course, this idea would anger too many people and wouldn't be shown in any mainstream show or movie, including Star Trek.
@@Michael_ORourke Mind you the accounts of Jesus's life has only been traced to 400 AD, at least three and a half centuries after his alleged existence and much of what was described of his encounters with the Roman Empire should've been recorded in their records but none of it was. The accounts may be of multiple people, the father of a child is often not known especially in lands subjugated by a military force, and very ill people recovering has often been mistaken as a resurrection from death. There is no reason to believe the accounts are of one man or rather avatar, no reason to believe they are of as fantastic occurrences as portrayed and no reason to even believe Jesus was any more than a fabrication to pull in the Hercules mythos just as the church did with the saints to bring in the numerous pagan deities. Jesus doesn't even have to have been an alien, he may very well just be fiction used as propaganda and indeed this is the most likely conclusion especially given how the churches have used the stories of Jesus to manipulate the masses. Even if Jesus had really exist, how the alleged stories of his life may not of been ordained. If anything, the TNG alien who portrayed herself through technology as a deity to match the cultures ancient myths is a more likely outcome for alien involvement with our own religious myths. To be honest, I would trust the oral history of the native Americans more than the biblical accounts that have been edited, selected and rewritten for theologic and political reasons over any sense of stewardship.
You do realy cencerd old paintings???
You could argue magic is real in star trek. Like when Wesley Crusher becomes a space indian he or the traveler stopped time in that episode and was having visions. Also the Q.
Magic is just science we don’t understand yet
@@lensenstark9819 there is actually a difference between magic and science we don't understand yet
@@johnymustacio No there is not. Everything there is, is part of science. You must be kidding
@@lensenstark9819 you can choose to believe that
@@johnymustacio Believing in a flat earth doesn’t make it flat. It’s not a matter of opinion. Believing in something that is objectively false, is delusional and nothing but that.
Dude, you don't have to censor classical art. WTF?
I was much more paranoid about TH-cam's overbearing monetization policies when I made this video, admittedly
good stuff
I haven't seen the episode in a long time so my memory might be a little fuzzy but I seem to recall him being a little flippent, similar though not to the degree of Mudd or Trelane. So combining that with his interest in the woman and the extra powers I can't help but question if he was telling the truth. He may have been a powerful being that visted Earth throughout the centuries and used what he remembered, or misremembered, to try to pick up a girl. Another possibility is that histry in the Trekverse isn't completely the same as ours. You have good ideas that are completely valid and might be right but I think, assuming my memory is close to how the episode was, there's evidence that he might not be telling the truth.
I always figured inbreeding would not negatively affect gods.
is Raven Point in onward a ship wrecked axium from wall e
Sounds like Stargate ☺️
Did this episode predate the writings of Erich Van Daniken?
great vid
Where were the other Gods I wonder.
It's actually Adonias not Adonis. Comes from some poem. Percy Shelley?
@@indetigersscifireview4360 You must have been a handsome athlete! Lol
@@indetigersscifireview4360 👍😊
Byron, I believe; a eulogy for Shelley.
Look at the thumbnail. It seems that someone is working on their duckface
I wonder if Kevin Uxbridge ever posed as a god while he lived on earth.
Maybe they're Douwd like that dude on TNG episode the survivors
There are pretty bad versions of Greek Gods, I would rather the SG version of Alien ‘gods’
Because why not???
No Nippels!
The klingons God is called "Feklar", not "Fekiar".
Apollo is a nippleless God.
Hyphens included!
i imagine it to be like Illiam and olympos by Dan simmons
Pls stop with the sound effects between pictures!!
It's called AMBIENCE. Let's see you do anything one one hundredth as good.
I think its a misunderstanding about the biology of the olymians i dint think theyre actually related maybe they were all just close with one another 🤷♂️
Roddenberry liked progressive social commentary. I bet the idea of a god dying/going out of fashion made a lot of fundamentalists uneasy :) It's happening now.
Imagine if this was actually real though. How embarrassing would it be that we named literally EVERYTHING after these rando aliens who just came to troll ancient humans one time?
Great video ,but could do without all the clicking computer noise ,very annoying
"ADONAIS" (NOT "Adonis")
There's a big difference.
You seriously censor classic works of art? 🤣 And don't blame youtube for your insecurities
Could this god race now be q if they disappeared i mean if u consider the idea that the intelligent races all become q eventually then its not far fetched
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We all know Kratos from god of war killed em all!!!
Those noises in the background is so annoying.
The Federation has no need of gods, they are fine with their own. (Its either Kirk or Roddenbury? More likely the egomaniac Kirk.)
By TNG it seems like the Prime Directive is the state religion. Especially when Picard starts waxing poetic about it every other episode. Keep in mind atheist religions exist irl.
As for a god well the Q certainly have the ridiculous power to qualify. Among other comparably powerful species of the Alpha Quadrant.
All Religions are Astrotheology ;)
The Greek god episode was very lame to me when I watched it in the original series..
Star Trek did it before Stargate
Better yet, why are they in amongst all history and Washington d.c. ohh , the dollar bill has major commercialization along with all those whole missing nations of peoples with nothing left but destroyed huge epitaphs and idols to many failed gods (i say failed because as of yet it only seems the few got out while they could as thousands were being sacrificed to these gods. But who knows? Maybe they were flown to a whole new unerverse and living the hi-Life:-)?
Genesis 6. All ancient demigods are simply nephilim and nephilim offspring.
Ah.... This is fantasy. The stuff of imagination. Even Kirk is imaginary. No comparison to the word of God. But God gave us the ability to imagine things.
Nah, that’s just a retcon in a poor attempt to rewrite earlier beliefs
Adonis =/= Adonais
Answer:
Because we are humans 😂
in the comic star trek new visions by john byrne it's revaeled that apollo was able to bear a male child in palamas by simply willing it into existence but in a diffrent novel palamis was decribed as having a normal pregnancy haveing a female child
Because their religious beliefs isn't practiced anymore I believe
A greek god is a Altar,Soteria🌹🌚👍rest in the good news ⚘ Okay bye
As interesting as this is I don't think my ( greek) wife should watch this video.
Q: "God", please bish.
As a man who saw the show when it first aired, and watched in syndication throughout the 70s and 80s, I think this video is garbage.
Care to expound upon that sir?
Star Trek is a police show showing worst case scenario mental health malefactors. Star Trek the Next Generation trashed the physics, psychology and ethos of the older 1960's television show, so much to the point where starships no longer fought at warp speed, and both Klingons and Romulans got their brains swapped.
Apollo represents a worst case abuser with bipolar. He has all the trappings of wants and desires given to him, even the beautiful lieutenant, but he's still violently bipolar, which may actually be a psychiatric law enforcement strategy.
I grew up with so called mental health experts and behavioral scientists who knew exactly what Trek was about, and probably gave some input to Roddenberry, a former cop.
Other examples; Landru is a mental health hospital administrator gone rogue. Garth from third Season "Whom Gods Destroy" is a patient who takes over a hospital. Lazarus has extreme incurable bipolar, and the only solution is to lock him up. The entity from the Metamorph is a woman assigned a man who needs looking after, which is an actual mental health rehab formula by placing the male subject under surveillance. Decker goes mad when he cannot kill a seriall killer, and proof is that he tries the same thing again expecting different results. Ultimately he kills himself.
I see a lot of reactions and reviews by fans and non-fans, and they all assigned dramatic or story oriented philosophies and motivations for characters, and then some go on to make garbage fan films not knowing what they're doing.
What they don't tell you in film school is that all of Western media (not just the US, but Europe, Japan, even India and Australia, Honk Kong and Taiwan) use psychiatric rehab formulas, or psychological rehabs. You are essentially watching 1950s mental health films presented dramatically with actual dramatic content instead of the antiseptic staging done from those earlier films.
Ever wonder why you don't hear or see a music video about .... the presidential race, or putting a stoplight to replace the stop sign at the local intersection? Or why you don't hear a top 40 pop tune about beating Putin in the Ukraine? That's why.
The first amendment in the US is games by doctors to "do no harm" with mass media, and so you get a lot of cop and health shows, of which Star Trek is one.
It's probably the best written show ever put on TV, but you and others perpetually misinterpret and simply do not know the purpose of today's present day film industry.
And that's why your vid is garbage. .@@OrangeRiver
When Americans explain history, it is like Disneyland. 😉
When Germans explain history. They sound like Nazis 😉.
Ancient aliens