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Love the time lapse stuff cause seeing the base develop before your eyes is awesome instead of jump cuts

I do disagree with this video, but it's an interesting perspective, which is cool

0:20 as a wise engineer said "if its stupid and it works, it aint stupid"

Spaghetti is the only way

Thanks, I'd rather stick with my spaghetti.

yea this is super ineficient it looks good but goood its so rigid and unscalable entire concept of automation is wrong.... you are building piece of art insted of working factory..... go to minecraft thats better game for you

A lot can be said about Factorio just from repeating that a person is relatively new to it at 1000 hours of playtime. It is true, to some degree..

Your pipes look weird... am I imagining it?

In the timelapse at 37:50... how do we see two concrete paths getting longer at the same time?? What sorcery is this...

Splitters help guarantee even flow when used properly and save belt space

You are correct in that corners lock those 3 tiles in place forever(*). But kinks in the belt are still almost infinitely flexible, as long as you put the kink in a place where it can be moved 4 or 20 tiles up or down the bus. I think that having kinks in the belts of the bus is easier to work with then zig-zagging your whole bus. I find it funny that your rules are made for the purpose of avoiding conflicts (because conflicts could lead to you having to re-arrange a whole junction(*) ). But your "if a belt occupies a lane of the bus, then it owns that lane for the whole length of the bus" rule means that you have to re-shuffle belts _along the whole length_ of the bus, if there is ever a conflict(*). Or, to look at the irony in a different way: Your rules do a great job limiting the spaghetti in the early parts of construction; which is valid since any spaghetti has a high probability of leading to more spaghetti, and too much spaghetti leads to it being impossible to build anything else. But at some point you know that there are few enough belts or processes to still go in that even if all of them were only possible with spaghetti, it would be far from a nightmare to build. (Might still be a nightmare to look at, that's up to personal preference.) Holding on to your rules after that point means that they go from a utilitarian goal to an intrinsic goal. You're basically practicing the "cult of the straight belt" at that point. Again, nothing wrong with preferring to play that way. It's a sandbox game, so if you're having fun then you're playing it right. I just find it funny that the rules come from a purpose of keeping your options open, but they themselves provide limitations to how you are "allowed" to build stuff. (*) Unless you accept the spaghetti.

When the resident is Evil

It’s bizarre to me that you build a whole factory without power rather than let it work is you build

Don’t care, I will gloat in my non-euclidian spaghetti nightmare

Not a fan of cliffs?

That part about ten minutes in about where to put labs is ruff to watch knowing about biolabs, I understand the hows and whys of both this video and the expansion as a whole that led to this happening but it's still a little sad to hear knowing the most efficient option is the one the game begs you to use, like biolabs are a fun item to create I just have a feeling when it comes to 5th and 6th to play through it's going to be a little tiring how centralizing they are compared to what could have been

my rule of thumb: - all parallel straight lines - all belts are 4 wide with exceptions - always 2 tiles of space between diferent belts - no dead end sub-bus, all feeds from the same lines - factory now is dumb easy to make and is a big big straight line

I think the most reliable way to deal with qualitites is to split it up into production/sorting/recycling, so things can't clog up and everything is in order.

Bus is just wrong way to do things. You should plan what and how much you want to produce and then calculate what you will need, not the other way around. That way you will build much more compact and infrastructure-wise cheapier factories. This is probably why people have so much problems with Gleba: they just copypaste this B U S thingy all over the place instead of putting down actual assemblers and routing things to them. The opposite extreme is build everything in microfactories and loading everything onto the train. This is better, but I hate when this eventually becomes a Manhattan again. It's easier to _plan_ that way because the game is orthogonal, yes. But it is not faster to build, especially pre-bots. After bots do whatever you want and how much entities your CPU will allow you to handle.

Or just build multiple buses. You don't have to build everything around a single bus, making you plan your entire factory waay ahead of time and in the end tear down some thing to upgrade them. Just build a new one.

yall got soft hands thats not a J thats a fuckin pipewrench

I wish i found your channel sooner. In WH40K you would be probably fabricator general.

I like using modules to balance the oil refinery a bit. And the rate at which light and heavy oil are processed

@24:40 I really like the idea I'm always struggling since I haven't internalized it yet to include railways, conveyer-belts and pipes in my built with junctions etc. to achieve a particular design - still stuck with Spaghetti

Why are the animations for the belts backwards? is it just the framerate you chose for the video