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@@Siqq07 the changes are interesting for sure. We don't know how minions interact with the blocking mechanism though. I just hope what they said will be properly implemented (big question mark ).

@@gasman555 pit debuff caps at 3 stacks. DR comes from high resolve stacks and perseverance ranks from the unique ring.

@@sinitarpku thanks again for the info. cos am on console, so usually can't open up characters stat sheet while in combat. yeah, ok makes sense with the resolve stacks.

My amulet is not double tempered, and I am still using a Shako which is not good for DPS (as it's missing int and double tempers). And my shield has no int, and the only GA armor I have is on the boots. So 10b+ per proc is very achievable without using AoTD/Unyielding commander.

Yeah and also I am missing a good SB friend who can boost my glyphs :)

Not just spiked armor. Key points on my updated gear: +6 golem mastery on chest, +5 from Mendeln, +7 Hellbent on amulet. And ideally you want GA int and GA armor on as many pieces as possible.

maxroll.gg/d4/planner/cv9710zm#3

Haven't tried to push pits. Maybe 90+ but won't be able to get very high.

@@happyclouds5615 I have pants and shield with double tempers. I could push more if I also do it with an amulet, armor and helmet.

@@Siqq07 haven't pushed pit yet, I farmed a few 80s for glyph exp (my glyphs are about 60) about 5min a run.

Thorns builds are not in a great spot in S6. I think the armor to thorns golem version is okay-ish for normal content. It can get a few billions of procs. th-cam.com/video/Jp49wk5VBWc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=t0a8H8Htw8lDnhsM If you fully utilize the spiked armor temper double dipping it can go a bit further. I am playing in HC mode so I make my character excessively tanky, which sacrifices some DPS. You can probably make it do 10b+ per proc if you push more into damage.

It's just an added layer of safety, probably doesn't matter much, I just have the habit of having it for the peace of mind. You can replace it with Juggernaut for more armor-> thorns.

Bone Spirit is much easier, but the gear requirement is tougher.

@@deathifight7408 in this season you can set the dummy to attack

Glad you find it useful. If you chase the biggest numbers you might want to try AoTD and the unyielding aspect, less tanky though. Soulrift is a nice balance imo.

You can sacrifice some damage for more soulrift duration tempers to get 100% coverage.

@@maverick0901a 我军帽是铁匠换到的。珠宝商制定换的话需要6+6+6个特定符文，你在珠宝商合成页面军帽右键能看到，不过符文不容易刷到这么多，估计还是得跟人交易容易弄到。

@@sinitarpku 鐵匠不是隨機的嗎？如果你一次就抽到那真的很幸運，如果沒有一次抽到，你有那麼多火花可以換？還是說有其他拿火花的方式？？

@@maverick0901a 就是运气好抽到了。只能多打boss。。。。

@@sinitarpku 我發現還有一種方式可以快速減cd，把基本攻擊換成會生血球的那個，然後觸鬚點會生血球的那個技能支線，戒指上放一個吃一顆血球減大絕cd，這樣也是能達成無限放大絕，只是怪太少情況下比較卡而已，打苦痛3用碾的，但目前打苦痛4還是不太順，這季的荊棘沒有像上一季那麼爆發

@@maverick0901a 这样的话损失一个戒指上的攻击威能，以及枯萎的20%增伤，到后期就不行了。这个赛季压制系的增强，孟德恩加强，而剃刀甲数值削弱导致导致荆棘流派相对强度大大降低。这个护甲转荆棘已经算是另辟蹊径勉强能玩。现在有个可以利用的机制，就是防具可以回火淬炼两条尖刺护甲被动，精造的时候会双算，我试了下比如裤子的话，可加14级尖刺护甲，如果你不用军帽，那么头，胸，裤子，盾牌可以加五十多级尖刺护甲被动等级。

@@carldarley6026 according to my calculations Mendeln crit build should have higher DPS. Thorns might be better only when a monster is triggering thorns in a crazy way

@@Ncki82 I use Subo only for the convenience of seeing monsters on minimap. I think for most people Raheir is quite good as the primary because of the protection, and armor or resistance buffs. Actually I think the mercenary design is lackluster, that the benefits are quite small, without much synergy with the character, just my 2 cents.

Most minion related multipliers work for minion thorns. For example, cult leader, hellbent commander, int, specific minion type mastery ranks, most multiplicative damage amps from glyphs etc., but no crits. When the bone golem taunts, 200% of his armor is converted to thorns, which is why I am stacking armor (currently having about 11k armor on character sheet).

@@sinitarpku thanks so much for that info :) it also makes sense why you stacked so much armor and not running razorplate.

A good GA drop - not something I could work on to get... I am still running an Amulet with 0 Hellbent...

@@olegvalenko2635 Not using a Razorplate at the moment. I haven't done the math for a min-maxed version but my gut feeling says it's not as good, at least regarding golem focused thorns.

@@maverick0901a 还是成立的，估计伤害会比现在这版本低一些。主要是剃刀甲数值很低，也就3-4k。而白骨傀儡护甲转荆棘比例从70%改到200%了，堆护甲的话总护甲10k都能做到，这就是20k的傀儡荆棘了，加上胸甲的傀儡精通等级，就比剃刀甲带来的收益大。

@@sinitarpku 那再請教一下，請問你這季軍帽是怎樣取得的？這季好像沒有保底換軍帽只能用抽的，還是只能刷boss了？

@@maverick0901a 只能抽，或者两个火花加上符文定向合成，比较麻烦

@@sinitarpku 剛剛試了一下，用你的方式會變成要讓怪都去打傀儡才行，不像之前所有小兵都繼承荊棘，打的比較平均，如果怪偏偏不去打傀儡就很難有傷害 我在想，既然小兵都沒有什麼荊棘傷害了，要不要乾脆直接犧牲掉來buff自己和傀儡就好，這樣就可以讓怪都聚焦在傀儡和角色上，說不定還比較有效率？

@@maverick0901a 我前两个赛季也试过这种，不过傀儡没有骷髅祭祀加血的话容易死，可以试试用血球给傀儡回血。但是这样的话也有点问题，就是少了卡兰终极被动的攻速和乘伤，可以算算看能不能成立。

I think for golem thorns a legendary chest with golem mastery would be better. I discussed this in the description of my last video here th-cam.com/video/BssuJoIqxJo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0dYfZeWpr7dDz5TD

@@S34Mii I remember last season the boss took me 5min with quite nice gear and master working.

@@S34Mii my gear is still far from perfect, and only randomly master worked to 8. Like no hellbent on amulet etc.

Thanks! It won't be the strongest build, but very easy to come online, and chill to play.

@@wendaguan I would say fel gluttony, but if you have a Shako already, it should be tanky enough.

Just tested it and you are right, new patch, new bugs, as always :)

I just tested it with the new dummies that can attack. Still not working for minion thorns.

You can refer to this for now. I am still in the leveling/gear hunting phase so my running build is a bit different. maxroll.gg/d4/planner/cv9710zm

@@sinitarpku thank you very much

You can refer to this for now. I am still in the leveling/gear hunting phase so my running build is a bit different. maxroll.gg/d4/planner/cv9710zm From what I am seeing now, Mendeln minion (probably the version to sacrifice golem) would be stronger in most cases. Thorns might be better in niche cases.

In S6, an interesting change to thorns is the buff to Bone golem armor -> thorns conversion. After the taunt, 200% (up from 70%) of the the golem's armor will convert to thorns. Also the Mendeln change (unique effects scale with minion multipliers) can help a lot with minion auto attack damage (when you have an enemy that does not attack). And of course the Kalan's edict buff, cult leader buff, and some other minion related buffs will all play into the thorns build. In short, I did some premature math, that the golem thorns proc can be very good, with >1b per proc.

@@sinitarpku Any thoughts on putting together a S6 build with the new information/changes?

@@sinitarpku i saw they deleted thorn tempering from items... is it bad for us, or golem save us?

@@Siqq07 I think the minion thorns inheritance is still there, the specific minion type thorns inheritance got removed. With the armor conversion buff for the bone golem, I lean towards a golem thorns build without the Razorplate.

@@Wuginator322 Thinking about making a Golem thorns build that doesn't use the Razorplate. Minions in general got a deserved big buff.

That shows the mobs are taunted (by my bone golem active) so they will attack the golem and take thorns damage.

@@sinitarpku Thank you, I understood what it is. But why don't I have it?)) The same golem, everything is the same. But I don't have these icons. I have the same thing, only the gear is worse than yours. And another difference is that I don't play in the season.

@@olegvalenko2635 You need to use the active taunt by pressing the golem spell

@@sinitarpku That's exactly what I do of course. I have a fast cooldown, I always press the golem on cooldown. In principle, everything works. T7, Pit 100, all uber-bosses. Everything with the left heel)) But these icons are missing. That's why I was interested.

@@olegvalenko2635 maybe it is because of the damage number settings. Try to check the settings where you can choose what type of damage numbers to show.

@@anthonycampisi7880 just as it says, when you channel and 3s afterwards, you gain thorns (value depending on aspect and item power). Early in the game the thorns value is quite substantial.

maxroll.gg/d4/planner/b230r01s#9

@@sinitarpku Thank youuu

It is hard to definitively say which is better but if you want to use Shako, golem feels better. Now that the Mendeln Mastery ranks bug is fixed, it is worthwhile using that ring (and make sure to crit on the mastery ranks).

@@ShaolinStonk yes

@@sinitarpku awesome! Will you post a new sheet on mobalytics?

@@ShaolinStonk I meant to say it is still broken.

@@timothysolomon7590 scourge of the land, hivemaster, blood Bishop,chief marauder, den mother maybe a couple more, are good.

@@sinitarpku Great! Thanks for reply!

I too met this guy at 64. Was being careful not taking hits as I didn't know how much damage they would do. From your video it seems that he threw out many ice splinters that might have all hit you as you stood on top of him. Hard to tell the exact timing of the hits. Sad about needleflare not working still. I saw someone saying it fixed. One of my disappointments about the changes is the limit of 5 paragon boards. With so many points added, even when we max the glyphs stats, we still end up with many unused points that could have given a huge boost if more boards were allowed.

@@Siqq07 I haven't looked carefully yet, just used my old build. Will know in a few days after they release the ptr boost so we can test anything we have in mind.

I even had some old legacy 5/5 gear, and they could provide MW mats when salvaged in PTR.

@@sinitarpku YESSSSSSS thorns

Yes they are both very safe. My bone spirit version is super tanky (about 150k health with elixir, perma bone storm and barrier, unstoppable from metamorphosis ).