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Pendulum - trying to think of niche uses. Area denial between terrain? Chokepoints? It can essentially go back and forth in a chokepoint or an objective and force enemy to spend attacks removing it. Slow Melee units it can just move through and they're forced to chase?

Shackles you can set up on top of units - no restriction on inches from enemies. Then it becomes a tax to kill.

I say remove the idea of manifestations, repaint this and finally give NH a monster.

The models do look great! can be used as champions, musican, standard in a norma unit anyway.

I really just wish they didn't change the movement as they feel so slow now for being a hyperactive squig

You can't teleport monsters, it specifies infantry. Unless I'm missing a different rule 😅

I love that he can get a third chance to unbind on your turn when your opponent tries to get wise and use magical intervention lol

Can’t give him VEC as he’s not an Infantry unit

Wow thanks for the math hammer. So where’s our hammer? Cuz I’m not really seeing anything that competes with SoB, the gate keeper army

Looks like it is still a great unit but maybe plays a little different

Are you more excited to play KB or IG? And by how much?

Yay, Gobsprakk Love :]

Just to clarify Moss, Dreadblade Harrows are now a unit of 2 and are kind of special. It used to be a single hero but it seems they finally moved it to a unit. Olynder's ability would return 2 Cavs minimum as Hexwraitys were 2 wounds (if they didn't change the health characteristic)

Did you figure in gutrippa -1 to hit. They will have that 66% of the time vs brutes not accounting everything they could do. First strike, choking mist etc

I really appreciate the breakdown of the statistics. My math skills have long dwindled away.. having someone else explain the use case for these moves is so helpful. I'm excited to see how the whole faction has changed into this new edition. I'm new into the hobby, but my gut has been right about a good chunk of the changes. I had a feeling the Warchanter would shift into a Priest and my Brutes, that haven't been playing very well, have gotten a decent buff. I'm hoping the Ragerz and Weirdbrutes get similar changes.. because a 5+ save with a 5+ ward isn't that great rn

You’re single handedly keeping me enthused about my Ironjawz in 4th. ……waaaaaagh

And you can still add +1 attack on a 8+ charge!!!

I think the role of Ardboyz will be to screen Brutes from units that can hurt them. Even if 10 brutes can survive most hammers, their efficiency would be hurt by half of them being killed. Also running all the buff heroes will mean you will almost never control who goes first, so protection from big hammers would be good.

Remember that if you’re 50pts down in your list you’ll get an extra cp for turn one. Use that cp or save one to chant in enemy phase for more ritual points

72.78 damage...bruh

If only overkill wasn't limited to the unit XD

Maybe Mighty Destroyers the Chanter away from the center of the mosh so he can dance around the edge to have less attacks coming at him.

kinda fun that a full buff 10x brutes unit should kill just about anything put in front of em

I thought dreadblade harrows were a unit of 2....

Im pretty sure Companion weapons just cant be buffed, its worded like that to reflect that they can still be debuffed by opponent

Olynder is unique

Friendly abilities don’t affect companions unless explicitly expressed otherwise.

I personally dont like this noble deed thing, because the heroes you have are not strong enough in combat and get killed way to easy... and the spells could be unbound and you also generate no points... me as a fec player since the second edition is not happy with this mechanic...

Hang about... Warchanters will still have movement increase buff? They had a chant that did that did they not? On first turn you run guys with movement increase buff, put on the - to hit buff and then charge the next turn? Looks like Warchanters will be the central part of your army and used as a buff stick to make your guys better? Looks like at least three Warchanters will be an auto-include to make this army function, unless you run all piglets. I am hoping that they are cheap enough?

So... (Just thinking out loud) what if Big Pig Boss was a priest? You attach Big Pig Boss to pigs and then you include Warchanter to every unit of Brutes and 'Ardboyz. Then every unit has a priest that can participate in combat and is guaranteed to attack something in a turn giving them a steady supply of ritual points. Kind of like what they are doing now for 40K. On second thought, that would probably be too OP and all the little girls would be crying in their cornflakes. Would be awesome though... Right?

I could see the Murknob able to back up Gutrippas and Killaboss on Gnashtoof to help take an objective in a turn. Do mortals, have a ward, force the opponent to strike last, and hopefully hit on 3+ and wound on 3+. Definitely anticipating seeing what our Swampcalla Warscroll looks like.

Mighty destroyers is not weak but it changes style of IJ. It looks like a khorne castle. Aura on top of aura. All of it looks like It will be very powerful army when all bonuses came together. But it will be hard to make it work - move 4 for most of the units, week chanter, low to hit. And I dont feel for those rules - different style crushed my excitement Brutes was elite infantry and they lost it (Ard boyz with 4 to hit would be understable). Maybe Weirdbrute Wrekkaz and Brute Ragerz will be good in fight, we will see. Any debuff, any good shooting, any good move any good magic and whole thing is falling apart. I feel those rules looks like Orc rules for WFB and AOS 1. Any enemy trick and IJ will be dead meat... I understand that we must see whole to have a big picture but this article was big disapoitment for me. No spearhead for IJ hurts - they said that it will be easy format for every army from day one. They took my toy and gave me another. But I want my favorite toy back so I had to cry 😉

Or hell if the ability was pick 3 units. That also fixes it. Because that's actually scary. 3 units every hero phase is moving. Moving closer, moving deeper into combat engagement, moving from one target to another. It would FEEL like IJ are unstoppable. Slow and steady unstoppable force that can't be pinned down but also doesn't leave combat engagement because Orruks love to fight. This 1 unit nonsense is a big problem.

Yes the traits can suck and the army can still be good, but Vince from Warhammer weekly has seen them play in person and he's not a fan. IJ is on the bottom. No getting around that. Warscrolls can only do so much. This is how you fix it. Once per turn army, any hero phase. Declare: pick a friendly Ironjawz unit that was not set up this turn to be the target. Effect: The target can move up to half its move characteristic rounding up, or 4", whichever is higher. It can move into combat, and if it does, that unit has made a charge move this turn. If it was in combat at the start of the move, it must remain in combat. Keyword: Charge I shouldn't have to explain why this is infinitely better.

Regarding the warchanter, its wording should have been “if any models were slain within 12” of this model”. It’s an incentive to move him up but as of now, him going into combat means a dead priest most of the times. And sure, you can have him but it’s all about points, let’s hope he’s super cheap now becuase you ain’t taking him for his ability and if you have some bad luck and rolls a 1 in you first or second time of chanting he’s more or less doing nothing for most of the game :/

They gave mighty destroyers to skaven, 3 claws ahead. But excited for both Krule bois and ironjawz. I just reckon Ironjawz infantry wont have the speed to get into the scrap or be forced to fight unfavourable fights

Thanks for all these vids!

I don't think we know enough to judge well yet. It's not as strong, certainly- single unit, only 3". But, while this may be copium, we don't know if Grunta Stampede (one of the other battle formations) will interact here, and we don't know if there will be a warscroll modification on Gore Gruntas or similar. Or if Hand of Gork is changed. What we *do* know now is that the warscrolls we've seen so far are *hilariously* good. With the attack profiles we've seen and all of the stacking buffs behind them (+1A from Waaagh, +1A from a long charge, crit x2 from Bash 'Em, +1 to hit from Gordrakk, +1D from Killa Beat)... That's enough to turn a reinforced Ardboy brick into a wood chipper, or a reinforced Gore Gruntas warm into an ICBM. So anyway. It's been a good week for reveals on my end- S2D looks great, IJ looks solid, now I just wait and hope that Khorne is good.

Hello Moss, I was one of the individuals that commented on your reaction video mentioning its negative tone and I feel like I should clarify. 1st -thank you for considering the feedback you receive, many content creators don’t. 2nd -my comment was regarding more of a vibe than you actually disparaging on the faction. It was completely from my perspective, but once you read the army ability, you seemed to be a bit deflated, and it came of in your tone and lack of optimism for much of the rest of the review. I was/am still hype for 4th and my Ironjawz, but I felt like it was misplaced bc you are a knowledge resource and I started to feel bummed along with you. 3rd- looking back it is a “reaction” video and I should have taken it more as such. These rules are what we have to live with and I know there will be much analysis to come given the full rules and play experience, everyone’s initial reactions are valid…even disappointed ones…don’t let me or others keep you from expressing authenticity with your content 4th- still am a fan keep up the good work

power through so good. it doesnt need to end the move in combat so that opens up more options too

The goal of murderlust is not to run up the board. You position your unit just outside 3" and then in you opponents turn you move into close combat preventing your opponent from moving.

Damn dude I gotta get my discord sorted - I need some notifications for this stuff! Unrelated, I love that oddly smooth funky background music. Not everyone can pull that off.

Sluuuuuurp

The monkey was me 🙉 cause I hadn’t listened yet to the video

Moss, the carve a path must end out of combat, contrary to what you've shown, but it allows for charge which is needed for Power Through so the idea of it stays the same.

Murderlust (and the new Mighty Destroyers) are great to shut down enemy battle tactics. You can do it in the enemy hero phase, after knowing what your opponent battle tactic is and after he has moved all his units. You can close lane, protect the unit he has to kill, etc....

I believe there are 2 major things we haven't seen yet that will flesh out the army. Hand of gork and get'em beat. Imagine 10 brutes with +1dmg, 3D6 charge, crit 2hits, and +1att for charging more than 8" after a teleport. Or the same but with some arboys or 3 pigs, to clear screens turn 1 or use power thru to get behind them and in the enemy hero phase they move 3" tagging as much units as possible. That just sounds amazing and it still hard to pull off because you need at least 1 spell, 3D6 prayer and a 9" charge.

Carve a path is once per army.

Definitely a little disappointed with some of the rules and no spearhead really sucks as I was planning on getting into AOS through that but I’m still excited to try them out. I think the sub factions will really have a big effect on this army especially if one lets you pick multiple units for might destroyers

With this.... the 9 pigs list is viable!?!? :o the entire board with all pigs maybe looks cool!!!