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Phoenix Ashes? You mean the asoiaf youtuber that said they hated George, hated the fandom, and used an alias to harass women and tell people to k!ll themselves on Tumblr? The person I exposed in a video on Unreliable Narrators that can be found on my second channel, Mad King Kevin? It would be best if they kept quiet

@ bloody hell an almost 3 hour long video? I’m in for a long treat it seems

Hope you enjoyed! I've been working in this since 2023

Some people don't pick up on the theme that revenge is bad. It's blatant with Doran and his blood oranges.

Thank you for sticking with the video lol

It took a character being beaten down into nothingness and complete plot irrelevance for their story to not be butchered by the writers.

When?

^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

I trusted him to get there eventually

@hillbillypowpow the pin was unexpected. My intent was to troll the postmodernist tick talk psychologists and do a Turing Test for chatbots. Not sure what to do now...

A blunt, brutal misinterpretation of the text. This the type of nonsense I talk about in the video Men can't kill their wives. Not even in this grimdark medieval fantasy society. That is absurd. The Rule of Six was instituted by Queen Rhaenys in response to a man beating his wife to death. Roose Bolton cut a man's tongue out to stop him reporting a r_pe he committed. Lady Mellario left Doran Martell because she was dissatisfied with her marriage. The women of Dorne can hold property. Alys Karstark is set to own property. Maege Mormont is the Lady of Bear Islse and her daughter is heir Can women be treated as pawns and property? Sure. So can sons. Aerys didn't want to marry Rhaella but his father commanded it. Just like Robb could command Edmure. It's not as simple... as these people are property Your interpretation is blunt, brutal and wrong. Have the day you deserve

@ that’s literally what Dany talks about in ASOS when she is yelling at Jorah?

@ for the record I don’t think any of the characters have Stockholm syndrome- and there are some interesting points raised in the video. But I think you are ignoring major differences in power and agency between Dany and Drogo. There relationship is a very complex one and there was genuine affection, it still doesn’t change the fact that she was his property. Dany herself admits it. Also you cannot ignore the fact that Dany wasn’t only a bride- she was a child bride.

The two characters have not met in the books. Dany doesn't know Sansa exists and vice versa. I don't get how there is a rivalry between their fans.

@ I think it’s cause of Jon and who he’ll end up with.

And Theon never realizes it. Sad stuff.

@@KevinPendragonused by the Starks and grejoys

This video isn't directed toward any one person but yes it is full of shade. And thank you lol

It's incredibly clear that they were both abusive

Bad take.

Compared to a robot AGAIN 🤖 😭

Daenerys is a fictional character in a grimdark medieval fantasy story. The creator of this story established that yes, she could consent to her encounter with Drogo. This isn't my personal opinion. It's from Martin. I knew I would probably get a comment like this and that is why I stress in the video this is from Martin. Even Emilia Clarke said go to him if you want answers about choices he has made. As for Lysa Arryn: my point is that she was not a slave. Just because goods or gold is exchanged during a marriage, doesnt make someone a slave. Thats what I mean by human proprerty. One thing I argue against in my video is the literal interpretation of events. Yes, Lysa was locked in a loveless marriage but was she a literal prisoner? Yes, Dany was married off to a slaver but was she a literal slave? Because I am always shocked and by the lack of nuance in this fandom. How is Lysa prisoner when she had a choice? "I had to marry Jon, or my father would have turned me out as he did his brother". Prisoners have no choice. These characters (both male and female) are often treated as pawns or property but to say "slave" or "prisoner"... that lacks something. It doesn't tell the full story. As for what Drogo would have done if Dany said no, he would have done nothing. That's why he asked her. The problem is he takes the one yes to mean yes forever

@@KevinPendragon Last of all came the collar, a heavy golden tore emblazoned with ancient Valyrian glyphs. “Now you look all a princess,” the girl said breathlessly when they were done. Dany glanced at her image in the silvered looking glass that Illyrio had so thoughtfully provided. A princess, she thought, but she remembered what the girl had said, how Khal Drogo was so rich even his slaves wore golden collars. She felt a sudden chill, and gooseflesh pimpled her bare arms.-Dany’s 3 AGOT People always talk about that first Dany scene with Drogo but never bring up the other times were Drogo would rape her during the night to the point were she wanted to off herself. She may not have Stockholm syndrome but her situation was not ideal like a lot of women in ASOIAF. Is Jane Poole is technically the defector lady of Winterfell and the Dreadful but that doesn’t change the fact that she is a sex slave Same with Lysa Arryn just because Jon Arryn treated her well or whatever doesn’t change the fact that she was married to an old man against her wishes and saying that in Westoros it is seen as ok does not make it ok

@@KevinPendragon she might be fictional, that doesn't change the fact she's still a child. medieval fantasy or no, that doesn't change the fact it's CA if she didn't consent to the marriage in the first place, is she "consenting" to the sex or is she making the most of a bad situation? you're saying "it's from Martin" but in the source you gave, it's not even him actually saying that. i don't know what other sources you're talking from. and i'm not even denying that Dany *thinks* she consented, but plenty of underage people sadly think they are having a consensual relationship that's fine and okay but in reality they are being abused by an elder. you're even saying that Drogo serially r*pes her from this point on but somehow you think it would have mattered to him at all if she said no the first time? i didn't at any point disagree with you the word slave isn't the correct one. but you seem to be so focused on the use of that one word that it's blinding you from the bigger picture? "I had to marry Jon, or my father would have turned me out as he did his brother" where is the choice in that? that quote is her explaining why she felt she didn't have a choice. what life would she have had if she chose to be "turned out"? instead, she is trapped in a marriage trying to pop out babies and ruining herself doing so. isn't this like, one of the main themes of HotD s1? i think many women (or men) in situations like this, real or fictional, would describe themselves as feeling like a slave or a prisoner (still not saying they literally are, although i think that's on a case by case basis). i can't understand why you're taking so much issue with that. i don't see where Dany had a choice in any of this. what would you have her do? (:P) she'd likely suffer the same, if not worse if she tried to escape. it's true she's forced into that situation because of her Targaryen identity, but she doesn't have any handsome Crispo's offering to run away and eat oranges with her (yet).

​@@KevinPendragon George is a certified pedophile

@@lonemotheo1964 What "people" do is pretty irrelevant when you're responding to one person about what they said over the course of an hour and a half. Did you watch the video where he explicitly brings up the things you said "people" ignore? Have you ears to hear the things he's saying that directly address what you've said after the fact? You're not engaging with the material to which you're replying, you're just reiterating your stance.

I've been researching and working on this for over a year. It's good to finally be done with it. Please enjoy!

Have a safe commute

You don't have to be sorry

@KevinPendragon ...ok? Do you just don't want to answer my question? I wasn't looking to debate just to make sure I interpreted the statement correct. No need to act smug

@@murillodaniel9208 That you would completely ignore the utter mountain of evidence that indicates Depp was abusive as well only serves to prove Kevin's point about the vilification of women and the need to paint one party in a good light and the other in bad, regardless of the circumstances. You've done the opposite of what you set out to do.

@@hillbillypowpow literally what are you yapping about? I asked if thats what he said, not what I believed or what was the proof, since that was thr only interpretation I had that made sense based on what he said.

True

First time I took French, I failed because I was too busy staring at a boy and not the board Second time I took it... 9/11 😭

​@@KevinPendragon A tale as old as time...

​@@KevinPendragon Relatable content, I was also distracted by a crush in my french class XD That and magic the gathering and music, there was like an older hooligan nerd who was always tryin to get me to smoke weed and we'd talk a lot in class too lol

How so?

@KevinPendragon She has Stockholm syndrome with regards to Illyrio who sold her into the Khalasar, her brother who beat her. Tyrion knows about Aegon and has kept his mouth shut for once. (Tywin says - “You have a certain cunning, Tyrion, but the plain truth is you talk too much. That loose tongue of yours will be your undoing.”). He'll tell Dany about Illyrios other scheme and play them against each other... he has to paint a worse picture of them then the one she has of the Lannisters to save him from getting executed. And he has a habit of throwing truth in people's faces... just look at how he mocked Jorah on the Stinky Steward.

​@@CheeseCrumbs00this utter nonsense. You could only believe this if you think the words by which you describe your ideas have no actual meaning.

@@hillbillypowpow this is utter nonsense. You could only believe this if you think the words by which you describe your ideas have no actual meaning.

I guess I don't get why fans still claim this when GRRM has always confirmed they are a love story. Like I get why it feels gross for the show with how they changed the wedding night, but books wise it's very clear they both love each other immensely lol

@@Elliot226 A 13 and 36 year old can't be in love. Idk where/if GRRM confirmed that, but this is an area where his and anyone else's opinion means very little to me.